X-Factor 22 Spoilers

[Bart Simpson]

Just finished the issue. Fun overall. I miss M's cerebralness from the original Gen X. Now she just reads kind of like a bitchy character.

Some issue highlights:
Rictor and Rahne get it on
Siryn gets grazed by a Sniper
M is gassed, but eventually breaks free
And the obligatory cliffhanger: Nicole knocks Layla in the head with a rock and knocks her into a river. We see Layla floating there with blood on her head.
I doubt she's dead.

And for Endangered Species, Dark Beast lets Beast relive his memories.

My favorite part:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/NosDos/jeanXFactor.jpg

[CMBMOOL]

Woo-Hoo for an "earth shaking love fest" if you can catch my meaning. :D


Also and Poor Layla, I guess someone wants her out of the way but who ? :(

[Brian M.]

Were their any after affects from Rictor getting crystals?

Yes, I've read this weeks issue, but I don't know if what we learned is new or not. I mean are the ones growing from his spine...has that been seen before?

[The Cool Thatguy]

I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm a little disappointed they didn't reveal who was pregnant. Thus, the debate continues on for another month!

[Bart Simpson]

Poor Layla. :( http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/NosDos/laylabackhand.jpg

[Pach!]

I knew that Nicole girl was no good since the moment I saw her.

I wonder if Layla knows how to swim. She doesn't seem to know so much stuff lately.

[DaeJi]

*stares at Bart Simpson's avatar*

....I'm sorry, what? Oh, yeah, poor Layla, yay for Rahne, go Beast, etc.

[Bart Simpson]

I knew that Nicole girl was no good since the moment I saw her.

I wonder if Layla knows how to swim. She doesn't seem to know so much stuff lately.

Even if she knew how, she can't do it while unconcious. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/NosDos/laylagone.jpg

At least she's on her back and not her her face. I doubt she's really dead though, so it really takes the tension away.

[Bart Simpson]

*stares at Bart Simpson's avatar*

....I'm sorry, what? Oh, yeah, poor Layla, yay for Rahne, go Beast, etc.


I take it you like my avatar? :D

[The Cool Thatguy]

Nicole seems to be living the dream of a few anti-Layla fans ;)

[DaeJi]

I take it you like my avatar? :D

.......Huh?

Nicole seems to be living the dream of a few anti-Layla fans ;)

Awww.. I like Layla, and hope she comes around. She's actually one of the few "smart-kids" who isn't annoying. Now, if were Cho....

[Grunty]

Even if she knew how, she can't do it while unconcious. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/NosDos/laylagone.jpg

At least she's on her back and not her her face. I doubt she's really dead though, so it really takes the tension away.

She can also be happy that this ain't the sewers. Rahne had a more troublesome situation when Reaper and Callisto throw her into water.

Was another good issue.
The thing about the crystals on Rictors back create three theorys for me.

1. They grew because of the mist he got from Quicksilver.
2. Rictor fell on the crystals and they aciddently got into his back.
3. Layla picked them up from the floor and put them into Rictors back to save him.

[Pach!]

"You're IRISH for God's sake! Aren't you people supposed to have all the luck!"

This made me lol.

[Hi-Fi]

Monet was brilliant this issue. Great stuff.

[Faded]

Were their any after affects from Rictor getting crystals?

Yes, I've read this weeks issue, but I don't know if what we learned is new or not. I mean are the ones growing from his spine...has that been seen before?

I didn't even notice that! Whoaz. No, I don't think its been developed yet.

Monet was the staah, like fer sure. She was amazing. Poor Layla, just as Raimondi's version started to get really cute (I sensed no damn Dakota Fanning this issue).

[drwho]

This issue was ok. Doesnt m have every superpower in the book? I just find it hard to believe they were able to get the jump on them. How many times is Siryn gonna get hurt in this book? Was that supposed to be Solo from the Spiderman books, or another Solo? I did like the idea of mutants being considered endangered species by the govt. It is a new idea worth exploring. Layla gets smacked by Nicole. Maybe her powers that be feel like layla cant handle what is coming up and dont feel she can be trusted so they replaced her with Nicole. Also it should be interesting story to see what effect the Terrigen crystals in Rictor's body have.

[Mitsaso]

NO!!!
Layla got bitchslapped!!!:eek:

PAD just keeps delivering... I can't wait for the next issue!

[CMBMOOL]

She can also be happy that this ain't the sewers. Rahne had a more troublesome situation when Reaper and Callisto throw her into water.



Isn't that because she was part warewolf and maybe dislike the water coming on to her fur ? :(

[The Cool Thatguy]

Isn't that because she was part warewolf and maybe dislike the water coming on to her fur ? :(

That's cats ;)

I suspect it was the whole matter of the sewer being used for refuge, the stench, her enhanced sense of smell and them dumping in the sewer, in that order, that pissed Rahne off ;)

[Faded]

Rahne's gotta be preggerz. Her curves are becoming a lot more mountainous since her more androgynous days. I'd imagine whatever side-effects the Terrigen crystals had on Rictor could make the baby quite the loophole.

On the ES side, I'm rather disappointed that Mike Perkins pencils have been my least favorite thus far. I expected he would've done much better than what he delivered.

[caney]

Wonderful issue!

M is a goddess.

I was starting to like Nicole and her Layla annoying skillz, but she crossed the line. THE BITCH MUST GO DOWN! :mad:

What's up with Ric and the crystals on his back? Do you think they're growing there or are they just lodged in there from before? If they've been like that for long you would think Rahne would have noticed. Maybe she was too busy with his other parts though. :)

[jester1436]

Something about Nicole is very "Single White Female," like she's gonna go back to X-Factor dressed as Layla and then get one of Jamie's dupes in the eye with a stiletto.

[caney]

Rahne's gotta be preggerz. Her curves are becoming a lot more mountainous since her more androgynous days. I'd imagine whatever side-effects the Terrigen crystals had on Rictor could make the baby quite the loophole.


You better watch it with the predictions before PAD slaps you down with another "NO"! :p

[Nyssane]

This issue was ok. Doesnt m have every superpower in the book? I just find it hard to believe they were able to get the jump on them. How many times is Siryn gonna get hurt in this book? Was that supposed to be Solo from the Spiderman books, or another Solo? I did like the idea of mutants being considered endangered species by the govt. It is a new idea worth exploring. Layla gets smacked by Nicole. Maybe her powers that be feel like layla cant handle what is coming up and dont feel she can be trusted so they replaced her with Nicole. Also it should be interesting story to see what effect the Terrigen crystals in Rictor's body have.

There's only one Solo. :p And he played a recurring role in Cable & Deadpool, so he's kind of assimilated himself into the X-Universe, sort of.

[Michael P]

There's only one Solo. :p And he played a recurring role in Cable & Deadpool, so he's kind of assimilated himself into the X-Universe, sort of.

He's dropped the "While I live, Terror dies" thing, though. Which is good, since that sucked.

I liked the framing sequence at the beginning and end of the issue.

[Mitsaso]

But it's pretty obvious that Nicole has a deal with the Isolationist, and that his plans for mutantkind will include backstabbing X-Factor at some point. Therefore, he used his lackey Nicole to get Layla out of the way before she predicts what his plans are. If it wasn't for him, Nicole wouldn't have escaped the French police to be there with X-Factor now.

[Greg Anderson]

"You're IRISH for God's sake! Aren't you people supposed to have all the luck!"

This made me lol.

LOL! That had me cracking up too. Along with Jamie's expression and comment when he figured out what happened with Rictor and Rahne.

[frog]

My issue is late (which is unusual, I hope it isn't lost in the mail) so I have a question about the scan Bart Simpson posted. I know one character is Dark Beast but who is the other?

[Hi-Fi]

My issue is late (which is unusual, I hope it isn't lost in the mail) so I have a question about the scan Bart Simpson posted. I know one character is Dark Beast but who is the other?
Ultimate Cyclops. It's a flashback from the Age of Apocalypse.

[frog]

Ah. Thanks, Hi-Fi!

[Dagger]

Awww.. I like Layla, and hope she comes around. She's actually one of the few "smart-kids" who isn't annoying. Now, if were Cho....
NO WAY!!! Cho is awesome! I love him! They should totally hook up!

[Michael P]

My issue is late (which is unusual, I hope it isn't lost in the mail) so I have a question about the scan Bart Simpson posted. I know one character is Dark Beast but who is the other?

Cyclops from the Age of Apocalypse. That panel is part of a sequence where "our" Beast relives some of his counterpart's memories. Highlights include:

McCoy's examination of Alex, Jack, Julie, and Katie Power.
Jamie Madrox's career as a test subject.
A lecture to Jesse Bedlam on the proper degree of distance from patients.
Introduction to Jean Grey studies.
Sinister's home movies with Nate Grey.

[sephirothskiller]

I loved this issue. I don't think that Rhane could be preganant though, simply because I'm pretty sure that a pregnant Rhane would be insane. Like, first due to the wolf issue, second due to the personality of her.

[Faded]

You better watch it with the predictions before PAD slaps you down with another "NO"! :p

Uh, plz. PAD is the master of misdirection. We will see Risque (www.marvel.com/universe/Risque) in X-Factor!

[Pyro]

Omigosh, I love this book! I can't think of any other book that shocks me so much on a regular basis. Layla'd better live. I'm so sad. I'm weeping from that last page, ferserius. *weeps*

Raimondi's park scenes were very pretty.

[Pach!]

Uh, plz. PAD is the master of misdirection. We will see Risque (www.marvel.com/universe/Risque) in X-Factor!

LOL.


Image not available. :(

[Diablito]

The Endangered Species back-up story was amazing. Dark Beast is freaking awesome.

[tjarvis]

Very awesome issue, although it seems a bit odd for Mr. "While I live, Terror Dies!" to be siding with a group of supremicists. Maybe he's just gone into the full time merc business. Also, did anyone recognize the guy with Solo? I'm not sure if he's know or I should recognize him.

The back up was cool too, and I smiled when Dark Beast thought of a way to possibly bring back Nate Grey. I know some people hate the poor the guy for his 90's birth, but I always found him to be a pretty compelling character and would like to see him still on the playing field.

[sephirothskiller]

Very awesome issue, although it seems a bit odd for Mr. "While I live, Terror Dies!" to be siding with a group of supremicists. Maybe he's just gone into the full time merc business. Also, did anyone recognize the guy with Solo? I'm not sure if he's know or I should recognize him.


The guy with Solo was a main villain in the Madrox mini. He has the same powers as Madrox. (That's right, a mutant was guarding an anti-mutant band.)

[Tinmansstory]

So nobody else flipped out in excitement at Nate Grey's particular attention in the back-up? Seriously? I'm very pleased.

[Monty_Cristo]

The guy with Solo was a main villain in the Madrox mini. He has the same powers as Madrox. (That's right, a mutant was guarding an anti-mutant band.)

isn't Solo possibly a mutant as well? he has some kind of teleporation ability, iirc.

LOL.


Image not available. :(

it's a conspiracy. the MAN is trying to keep Risque down.

[HellFrost]

LAYLA NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

But yeah... Is it me or are there some inconsistencies regarding Monet in this issue? Not that I'm letting it bother me because the issue was spectacular.

and OMG! RICTOR!:eek:

[Faded]

LOL.


Image not available. :(

Bitches!

Seriously, offtopicofftopicofftopic but does anyone know how to upload images to wikipedia? I want people to be able to love Risque for her body as well as her inherent awesomeness.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7863/risque111fh3.jpg

LAYLA NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

But yeah... Is it me or are there some inconsistencies regarding Monet in this issue? Not that I'm letting it bother me because the issue was spectacular.

and OMG! RICTOR!:eek:

What kind of inconsistencies?

[Slung]

So nobody else flipped out in excitement at Nate Grey's particular attention in the back-up? Seriously? I'm very pleased.
I was flipped that they mentioned Jean. Not-so-much that they mentioned Nate. Not too keen on characters from alternate timelines and the future. That goes double for Nate since he is an alternate timeline double of a guy from the future.

Can we please have smart but bitchy Monet back? Not Paris Hilton Monet? I love PAD, but his Monet is...too heiress who paid *slept* her way through school, not enough heiress with a 200 IQ.

[blinkinrogue]

I was flipped that they mentioned Jean. Not-so-much that they mentioned Nate. Not too keen on characters from alternate timelines and the future. That goes double for Nate since he is an alternate timeline double of a guy from the future.

Can we please have smart but bitchy Monet back? Not Paris Hilton Monet? I love PAD, but his Monet is...too heiress who paid *slept* her way through school, not enough heiress with a 200 IQ.

didnt get my issue yet grrrrr stupid storm here. anyways, monet's IQ should be at least 250 ( okay, i made that up :D ) *waits nervously for PAD's NO*

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Nate Grey>>Cable. Since the day he was created. Nathan Summers without all of the Askani Son and "Chosen One" garbage. Then they tried to make Cable into Nate Grey 2 by giving him Nate's power set when he was always a bum who would lose to second rate characters in every major fight they had. A mutant who was eclipsed by Sunspot or Cannonball at his height of popularity but shortly was able to stand an attack from the Silver Surfer? Yeah right. Something Nate Grey could do 10x over from the get go but it takes Cable almost 20 years to get to that level? Horrible. I hope Carey brings Nate back. The sooner, the better. With Rachel returning this fall and Nate potentially coming back, it would be like a dream come true. Bring back the MVPs of the Summers family, not the overpushed ones.

The more stuck up Monet is...the better. Best character in X-Factor. Maybe the best character of the year so far.

[Xanrn]

Cable is God, now shush or Deadpool will pay you a visit.

[The Lucky One]

The guy with Solo was a main villain in the Madrox mini. He has the same powers as Madrox. (That's right, a mutant was guarding an anti-mutant band.)

Yeah, I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about Clay being back, since he was such a major part of the MadroX mini. I almost plotzed when I saw him again, that's awesome. A hitman with Madrox's powers is pretty deadly.

Very surprised to see Solo too. Wasn't he just in Civil War: Frontline in his old costume last year? Thank God he's upgraded since then.

-D

[caney]

Yeah, I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about Clay being back.

I didn't have a clue who he was. :o

Maybe I'll try to find the Madrox mini somewhere.

[streator]

i can't remember specifically, but did madrox address whether or not clay was possibly a rogue dupe in the madrox mini?

[The Lucky One]

I didn't have a clue who he was. :o

Maybe I'll try to find the Madrox mini somewhere.

You'd better... it's awesome! Just get the TPB, it's called MadroX: Multiple Choice.

And no, streator, Jamie never said anything implying he thought Clay was a rogue dupe of his... actually, what he said ("I killed a guy with the same power as me") implies that he thinks Clay is a different mutant with the same ability.

He also thinks Clay's dead, so this should be a nice surprise for him.

-D

[blinkinrogue]

doesnt M have hyperkeen senses? that solo guy explained he refracted light or something, but it takes more than that to sneak up on M....

[_Jayme_]

doesnt M have hyperkeen senses? that solo guy explained he refracted light or something, but it takes more than that to sneak up on M....

I don't recall her ever having that power...she can percieve mutant auras if that's what you mean, but those two are new characters and don't seem to be mutants, so I'd say that she didn't see it coming.

[blinkinrogue]

I don't recall her ever having that power...she can percieve mutant auras if that's what you mean, but those two are new characters and don't seem to be mutants, so I'd say that she didn't see it coming.

found this in wiki: Enhanced Senses: M's senses are so advanced that she possesses telescopic vision, night vision and more acute hearing.


Also, she used her telepathy lately when fatale (?) turned invisible or something.

I know m has a lot of powers, but i just saw her entry in marveldatabase and i thought man, she has a truckload. at least they are not at superman levels.

her iq is also "above" genius level... hmmmm.... i have yet to see her display this....

[Volk1]

Thoughts:

Oh sh#T! I thought Siryn died right in front of my very eyes. Clay has ONE helluva shot to "graze the skull". I liked how Siryn was kind of taking on M's personality too when she made the guy spend all his lifesavings on a Persian rug. :D

I don't know if that'ss quite Theresa though. But hanging around M that long, something's gotta give I guess.

Rictor is totally heating things up - on all fronts! The scene with Rahne and Ric was hilarious and well done - especially Ric's OOoF! when they fall down! LOL

Boy - I can't tell if Rahne's in heat or in love or both. I agree with Faded though, she was well drawn this issue, as in very feminin.

I was kind of distraught when I saw the crystals in Ric's back. Did he put him there himself or is the evil hand of Pietro's? Probably both I guess...:confused:

Layla bloody in the water - makes me kinda well up and shed tears a li'l. But if she died and Preview joined X-Factor instead, I'd be alright with that. :)

Oh yeah the Isolationist - I like his agenda. He's not a mutant is he? Either way I think he's going to be trouble for Madrox later.

[Slung]

found this in wiki: Enhanced Senses: M's senses are so advanced that she possesses telescopic vision, night vision and more acute hearing.


Also, she used her telepathy lately when fatale (?) turned invisible or something.

I know m has a lot of powers, but i just saw her entry in marveldatabase and i thought man, she has a truckload. at least they are not at superman levels.

her iq is also "above" genius level... hmmmm.... i have yet to see her display this....

PAD seems to have forgot that Monet "knew stuff" before Layla - Monet used to be the mysterious girl with the plan. Now, she's Blair Warner with Supergirl powers. I like her, I just liked the old Monet WAY better.

[blinkinrogue]

PAD seems to have forgot that Monet "knew stuff" before Layla - Monet used to be the mysterious girl with the plan. Now, she's Blair Warner with Supergirl powers. I like her, I just liked the old Monet WAY better.

i guess this is the dilemma with the whole M-st. croix controversy.... we will never know how far the twins managed to "copy" monet. sheesh..... seriously, they should have never, never ever, written that about monet and the twins.

[blinkinrogue]

i liked how Monet in gen x made Emma look stupid and incompetent at times, proving she could use advanced computers without training and operating that machinery where monet had to space out to figure out how to keep it running, calling emma's telepathy "too unpure" or something to power the machine.

[_Jayme_]

I really wanna see Layla use some sort of offensive power..I know she's young and what not, but I'm anxious for when she's in a real battle..Maybe this'll have some sort of effect on her to bring out some other powers?

[Slung]

I really wanna see Layla use some sort of offensive power..I know she's young and what not, but I'm anxious for when she's in a real battle..Maybe this'll have some sort of effect on her to bring out some other powers?

She has shown "offensive power" before. When she let the sink run and she killed that Singularity guy.

[Faded]

Can we please have smart but bitchy Monet back? Not Paris Hilton Monet? I love PAD, but his Monet is...too heiress who paid *slept* her way through school, not enough heiress with a 200 IQ.

Its definitely a facet I miss. I really enjoy Monet basking in the spotlight, but hopefully we'll also get back to what her demons are and see a different side to her personality.

doesnt M have hyperkeen senses? that solo guy explained he refracted light or something, but it takes more than that to sneak up on M....

I believe she does. The only time that really springs to mind was when she wasn't the real M when Penance was roaming around the mansion in early Generation X issues.

I really wanna see Layla use some sort of offensive power..I know she's young and what not, but I'm anxious for when she's in a real battle..Maybe this'll have some sort of effect on her to bring out some other powers?

She could probably drop a paperclip and through some strange chain reaction her enemies would be attacked by wild hyenas.

I'd say she can take care of herself rather well already.

[blinkinrogue]

Faded, melikes urr AV.

Also, M is one in a billion...:o

[Jack]

Can we please have smart but bitchy Monet back? Not Paris Hilton Monet? I love PAD, but his Monet is...too heiress who paid *slept* her way through school, not enough heiress with a 200 IQ.Skruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull.

Also, poor Cyclops. Now his genetic contribution to Cable/X-Man seems to have disappeared in favour of Jean just being uber.

[Pach!]

Faded, melikes urr AV.

Also, M is one in a billion...:o

But there is one M in a MILLION!

[Monty_Cristo]

Its definitely a facet I miss. I really enjoy Monet basking in the spotlight, but hopefully we'll also get back to what her demons are and see a different side to her personality.


the pregnancy could be affecting her.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I don't know if what we learned is new or not. I mean are the ones growing from his spine...has that been seen before?

That was a brand new surprise for this issue!


Raimondi's park scenes were very pretty.
Hell yeah they were!

The guy with Solo was a main villain in the Madrox mini. He has the same powers as Madrox. (That's right, a mutant was guarding an anti-mutant band.)

Has it ever been established that Clay was a mutant? After all, it HAS been established (at least in this book) that Jamie isn't. I seriously doubt that he is a stray dupe, since all of Jamie's dupes look like him. Clay has white hair and dark skin. Plus, that whole stray dupe plot has been used so many times its tired. I don't think PAD would do it to us again (I was upset he used it in the Madrox mini, it was played out then).

I like Clay. For some reason he seems very dangerous- far more dangerous than Jamie.

So nobody else flipped out in excitement at Nate Grey's particular attention in the back-up? Seriously? I'm very pleased.

I hate X-man. I was glad when he died.

isn't Solo possibly a mutant as well? he has some kind of teleporation ability, iirc.


He can teleport, but I think he uses a device. Erik Larsen created the character simply because the Punisher was unavailable to use at the time.

Heh heh heh. PAD and Larsen are bitter enemies, I always find it amusing when they write eachother's characters. :evilsmile

[Alex A Sanchez]

Ha ha! I forgot to add that Guido was back in form:
"Skinks"
:D
I love it!!!

I was hoping we'd hear more about his new position.

[Volk1]

Has it ever been established that Clay was a mutant? After all, it HAS been established (at least in this book) that Jamie isn't. I seriously doubt that he is a stray dupe, since all of Jamie's dupes look like him. Clay has white hair and dark skin. Plus, that whole stray dupe plot has been used so many times its tired. I don't think PAD would do it to us again (I was upset he used it in the Madrox mini, it was played out then).


Again, since Jamie is still classified as a mutant in the eyes of registration and that Cererbo(a) will more than likely be able to locate him because of his mutant signature - that no matter what Tryp said he was, he still fits snugly under the Mutant Tree. Maybe an offshoot or it's predecessor, and you can call it a different name, but underneath it all he's still a mutant IMO.

Unless otherwise noted. PAD's a master of ambiguity, but sometimes I wish he would nail in the hammer once in a while. :cool:


oh and Clay - he does look cool. I hope he's not a stray dupe and I do hope he is a mutant, if only to add to the sparse total.

[Armless Penguin]

I hate X-man. I was glad when he died.

Well, that's a terrible thing to say. Every character has it's fans, and I certainly know how I'd feel if one of my favorite's were killed off, which is why I don't like seeing any character shuffled off to nothingness if it can be avoided. X-Man, for instance, was not even interacting with or affecting the main MU when he was offed.

[Michael P]

\
her iq is also "above" genius level... hmmmm.... i have yet to see her display this....

Well, just because she's smart doesn't mean she's particularly wise.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Well, that's a terrible thing to say. Every character has it's fans, and I certainly know how I'd feel if one of my favorite's were killed off, which is why I don't like seeing any character shuffled off to nothingness if it can be avoided. X-Man, for instance, was not even interacting with or affecting the main MU when he was offed.

Nate Grey was a top 5 selling book during the majority of his run. Cable and Gambit can't say the same. So with Nate coming back, it's gonna be a parade if anything.:D

[Euks]

Nate Grey was a top 5 selling book during the majority of his run. Cable and Gambit can't say the same. So with Nate coming back, it's gonna be a parade if anything.:D

I highly doubt Nate Grey is going to come back, unless his only role is to die again in order to re-enable the X-gene (hmm, sounds like Colossus and the Legacy Virus). If he did come back, what role would he play? I don't see at all how he would help to solve the no more mutant problem. Now the Phoenix is a different matter, but that's getting way off topic.

[cgar]

also mutants always try to say that there humans too but if they go with what the Isolationist is trying to do then there totally seperating themselves from non powered humans and thats kind of contradictory to there cause isnt it? they want to be viewed as equals but they cant if they seperate themselves from the 6 billion other humans inhabiting the world?

[cgar]

my computer is messed up

[cgar]

sorry double

[steve2275]

guido got no love this issue

[HellFrost]

the pregnancy could be affecting her.
She's not pregnant.
Well, just because she's smart doesn't mean she's particularly wise.
True. Otherwise she wouldn't always engage in such childish arguments and fights with Jubilee. Lol.

[Psyco panda]

the pregnancy could be affecting her.

How do we know anyones really pregnant? Remember it was nicole who brought the test to layla. It could be she was just trying to mess with her, and make her wander off alone so she could bust Laylas head open with a rock.

[Hi-Fi]

Bump.

101010

[HellFrost]

How do we know anyones really pregnant? Remember it was nicole who brought the test to layla. It could be she was just trying to mess with her, and make her wander off alone so she could bust Laylas head open with a rock.

That is a very good point. But the test was positive, so if None of the actualy cast took the test... who did?

[Tre Styles]

Verrrrrrrrrry interesting turns of events here.
Some thoughts:

I think someone did take the pregnancy test. However, because of Nicole's and the Isolationist's ulterior motives, the pregnancy, for whatever reason, they want it to be unknown. Perhaps it has something to do with the Messiah Complex. Perhaps it does not.

Rhane is in heat. Definitely. And Rictor was spot on about her and her fears of her wolf form. She's still not entirely comfortable with it, and the future vision of what she did to Layla and Madrox doesn't help with that.



As far as M goes, I think she had some of the best lines here, just like she did when she was with GenX. I don't think David has forgoten her above level IQ, but he is getting better at her snappy banter. I loved the exchange between her and Solo. "The next I bust of yours will be lower". ha!
Now,I think Solo got the drop on M, simply because she wasn't really "using" her hyper senses. If you notice in the past, people have gotten the drop on M before, so it's not that far of a stretch. He teleported in, and got the drop on her. It's not a big deal....or maybe she had went along with it to find out what was going on.

Oh no not Layla!!! :eek: (she can't be dead...she just can't!)

[The Cool Thatguy]

IIRC, PAD said the test wasn't a trick by the bad guys. So one of the three is definately pregnant.

[Jack]

Bump.

101010
Forty-two?

[Faded]

PAD said 'nope' when Hi-Fi suggested no one was pregnant.

(((EDIT: Oh. Well it appears as though some posts have magically appeared in front of mine!

And this was already said.)))

I still hope its Rahne that pops out a pup.

It'd be funny to see how her motherly insticts change in wolf form.
I'm such a sicko.

[The Lucky One]

Nate Grey was a top 5 selling book during the majority of his run. Cable and Gambit can't say the same. So with Nate coming back, it's gonna be a parade if anything.:D

Well, that last part I doubt... his book might have sold (spinning out of the AoA and all), but from everything I've seen over the last 5 years, he doesn't have many fans left. But as much as I don't care for the character, I'm not averse to him coming back; I just hope it's not in any books I read.

Nice to see Guido joking around again... maybe all it took was a job offer to get him back in form.

-D

[Omega Alpha]

Great stuff as usual. M and Guido were hilarious, and poor Layla.:(

And i don't know if anyone said it already, but i think Layla being "killed" is just another part of Sinister's plans, since he's killing characters who have knowledge of the future. This Isolationist character is connected to him somehow. A clue to this might be that he was hidden in the South Pole, where Sinister has a base (like it was shown in the X-men Annual). Maybe Sinister offered him control over his powers?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Sinister had bases everywhere, man ;)

I think Huber is running his own agenda. Maybe he put a mental block on Miller, to get her out of the way. Throw her off her game and while she's not focused, kill her.

[The Multiple Demon]

So am I the only one who would love a 5 issue miniseries that involved M and Siryn just going around the country and doing stuff?;)

Anyways this was another great issue and I was really shocked at what happened to Layla.........had to hurt.

[Monty_Cristo]

also mutants always try to say that there humans too but if they go with what the Isolationist is trying to do then there totally seperating themselves from non powered humans and thats kind of contradictory to there cause isnt it? they want to be viewed as equals but they cant if they seperate themselves from the 6 billion other humans inhabiting the world?

uh, they already live in mutant town. they are kind of separate from humanity.

[Omega Alpha]

Sinister had bases everywhere, man ;)


So? I think is too much coincidence that both are trying to kill characters with knowledge of the future at the same time, specially when we know that the crossover is coming.

[cgar]

uh, they already live in mutant town. they are kind of separate from humanity.

thats not my point...mutants defense is that they are HUMAN so they shouldnt be treated the way they are. they only have Mutant Town because there discriminated against

[Monty_Cristo]

thats not my point...mutants defense is that they are HUMAN so they shouldnt be treated the way they are. they only have Mutant Town because there discriminated against

which is why they deserve the protection of the government.

[cgar]

right i agree with you BUT if mutants keep saying there HUMAN. which in fact they are just with powers...they wouldnt be considered endangered because there 6 billion humans in the world. they would be apart of that.

[Monty_Cristo]

right i agree with you BUT if mutants keep saying there HUMAN. which in fact they are just with powers...they wouldnt be considered endangered because there 6 billion humans in the world. they would be apart of that.

they all share a gene that seperates them from humanity/makes them a target. i do get your overall point, though. but i think you're looking in the wrong direction. Uber is just trying to get the mutants all in the same place; probably so he can kill them all.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So? I think is too much coincidence that both are trying to kill characters with knowledge of the future at the same time, specially when we know that the crossover is coming.

True, I hadn't thought of that. Huber and Sinister might be allies, or they could be running the same agenda.

[Monty_Cristo]

True, I hadn't thought of that. Huber and Sinister might be allies, or they could be running the same agenda.

they belong to the same glowing eyes afterschool club. i also wonder if Huber knows the Gamemaster. i could imagine all of the complaining if those two ever sat down at a bar.

[Dusty.]

Another splendid issue. Pablo Raimondi has always been a favorite of mine, but this issue just put him into my top 10. I lost interest in this series when he wasn't drawing it. It's good to have my attention back on X-Factor.

9.5/10

[Fatguy]

Man, I loves me some X-Factor. It has now officially become my second favorite X book. Loved the Rahne/Rictor stuff, loved M, loved the cliffhanger, loved...everything.

[Chase]

I'm interested to how Madrox, Rahne, and Rictor factor into Messiah Complex...

Poor Guido. His audience was most unappreciative of his comedic prowess. :(

I doubt Layla's dead, for obvious reasons. And it's nice to see Solo getting some work (even though he's Punisher Lite).

;)

[Anna]

I'm wondering about that stuff on Rictor's back.

[sephirothskiller]

i also wonder if Huber knows the Gamemaster.

Captain N?? :D

[Pro]

I'm wondering about that stuff on Rictor's back.

Terragen crystals either inserted after Quicksilver lost them or possibly the result of Quicksilver channeling the crystal's powers through him.
They seem grown rather than inserted ..
If they were inserted then i wonder why since it's been shown clearly mutants cannot be repowered with terragen mists succesfully (at least as far as we know for now).
If they are growing by themselves the question will be:"what will they do .. ?".
Quicksilver gained some mutated version of his mutant power but i think he also bathed in the mists themselves so not entirely sure what gave him his time displacement power. If not the embedded crystals then maybe Pietro still has his powers .. ?

[Anna]

Terragen crystals either inserted after Quicksilver lost them or possibly the result of Quicksilver channeling the crystal's powers through him.
They seem grown rather than inserted ..
If they were inserted then i wonder why since it's been shown clearly mutants cannot be repowered with terragen mists succesfully (at least as far as we know for now).
If they are growing by themselves the question will be:"what will they do .. ?".
Quicksilver gained some mutated version of his mutant power but i think he also bathed in the mists themselves so not entirely sure what gave him his time displacement power. If not the embedded crystals then maybe Pietro still has his powers .. ?

Or; they could Ric, making him the member we're losing.

[Pach!]

I think it's going to be Guido.

[rilokyle]

I finally read this issue and I absolutely LOVED it. I found myself laughing out loud and talking outloud at some parts. PAD is genius- in fact, that was one of the things I said to myself!

I never really considered how 100% PERFECT "Endangered Species" is. But Huber put it in perspective- brilliant!

And that ending....... OMG!!!! My poor Layla!

[Alex A Sanchez]

they belong to the same glowing eyes afterschool club. i also wonder if Huber knows the Gamemaster. i could imagine all of the complaining if those two ever sat down at a bar.

I wonder if Hubris IS Sinister.

We know that Sinister has shapeshifting abilities, and he has been known to pose as people to mess with X-Factor. (this would make me right when I predicted that it was Sinister watching Nicole leave on the plane :D ).

Of course, now that Mike Carey has said that Mystique is leading the Mauraders this time around, Sinister may have no role in this whole ordeal.

Or, he may return to reclaim his Mauraders. :evilsmile

[cgar]

yah this issue is good. and HONESTLY this is the first comic that has ever made me laugh out loud...not a small chuckle a freakin laugh...and thats hard to do...but i'll continue to pick up this series

[CmX]

And that ending....... OMG!!!! My poor Layla!

Totally! It was kinda scary how she didn't see that coming.

[sephirothskiller]

I wonder if Hubris IS Sinister.

We know that Sinister has shapeshifting abilities, and he has been known to pose as people to mess with X-Factor. (this would make me right when I predicted that it was Sinister watching Nicole leave on the plane :D ).

Of course, now that Mike Carey has said that Mystique is leading the Mauraders this time around, Sinister may have no role in this whole ordeal.

Or, he may return to reclaim his Mauraders. :evilsmile

Since when does Sinister have uncontrollable Telepathy though?

[Volk1]

I wonder if Hubris IS Sinister.

:evilsmile


Since when does Sinister have uncontrollable Telepathy though?

See, I don't think Sinister is even involved in X-Factor. With the latest revelation in X-Factor #22 where Nicole sayz something like "Mr. Huber won't like that" or sumthing - it leads me to believe the dude we saw rescuing M and Siryn from ze French Police IS Mr. Huber.

Huber plants Nicole in X-Factor. So why he saves them in Paris though? That his ultimate plan doesn't become sidetracked??:confused: That's the only part I don't really get but it's gotta be about his ultimate plan...I don't think he TRULY wants to help out mutants.

I cannot see Sinister working as a henchman or second-in-command guy if he was that guy in Paris. Huber must have went to Paris, went back to his little Ice Kingdom, and then back to Mutant Town, NYC once NICOLE started her little backstabbing and shyt. :evilangry

Where and if SINISTER is involved in X-Factor, I don't know. I don't really see it right now.

[blinkinrogue]

what are the isolationist's powers? he seems to have some invulnerability as well as teleportation (?).

[Teh m0nk3y]

So far from what has been shown:

-Telepathy so powerful he can't seem to hold other people out if his head without taking drugs.

-Unknown degree of invulnerability. He survived a collision with a truck.

-Shape shifter? He went from large bulky size to regular human size.

-Teleportation?

[The Cool Thatguy]

See, I don't think Sinister is even involved in X-Factor. With the latest revelation in X-Factor #22 where Nicole sayz something like "Mr. Huber won't like that" or sumthing - it leads me to believe the dude we saw rescuing M and Siryn from ze French Police IS Mr. Huber.

Huber plants Nicole in X-Factor. So why he saves them in Paris though? That his ultimate plan doesn't become sidetracked??:confused:.


Her saved Monet and Syrin in Paris so that Nicole could be planted inside X-Factor. Otherwise, the cops would have stopped the plane and taken her back (presuming she actually was a French citizen) and or arrested them.

[Pro]

From PAD's blog:

Posted by Andy at August 13, 2007 01:24 AM
Hello! I'm new here. I've read X-factor 22 and I think that Rahne is the one that is pregnant and if so, would her baby be the one that is at the center of the new x-crossover Messiah Complex, from what I've read that crossover is going to kick start with the birth of a new mutant baby,and with talks of somebody being pregnant at X-factor I don't think is coincidence. What you guys think?

Andy...interesting speculation. You may be on to something.

PAD

[Pyro]

I think all the signs point to M being pregnant, but Rahne did have a suspcious line when she said she 'knew a thing or two about sex' in issue 21 just before shagging Rictor and after Nicole found the test. Who the father would be, I have no idea, but I hope to God it wouldn't be Elixer.

[Monty_Cristo]

I think all the signs point to M being pregnant, but Rahne did have a suspcious line when she said she 'knew a thing or two about sex' in issue 21 just before shagging Rictor and after Nicole found the test. Who the father would be, I have no idea, but I hope to God it wouldn't be Elixer.

Jamie's horny dupe might have snuck out again. Rictor made that line to Rahne about her being jealous that Madrox hadn't slept with her. well maybe she put that to the test.

Captain N?? :D

King Hippo

[Alex A Sanchez]

Since when does Sinister have uncontrollable Telepathy though?

Crap. Good point. I'm a huge fan of wild speculation- it makes for interesting discussion.

See, I don't think Sinister is even involved in X-Factor.

It's incredibly clear that Sinister is not involved. After the red balloon issue in France, I was very vocal about how sure I was that he was involved. My speculation about Sinister = Hubris was sort of a joke that would save me face after my past specualtion. I thought it was a good idea, until sephirothskiller rained on my parade. :mad:

Can anyone give me any news on the future of the art on this title, as people in other forums seem to be discussing it. What about the Hell's Belle's mini?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Most, if not all, of Helle's Belles were reported depowered, unfortunately.

Anyone know if PAD's given any clue as to when we learn who's pregnant, btw? I kinda doubt it, but I can hope.

[Hi-Fi]

I think PAD is playing us all!

[Faded]

I think all the signs point to M being pregnant, but Rahne did have a suspcious line when she said she 'knew a thing or two about sex' in issue 21 just before shagging Rictor and after Nicole found the test. Who the father would be, I have no idea, but I hope to God it wouldn't be Elixer.

That would be sooo twisted.

I mean, I don't think/want it to be Elixir's baby (though it would be funny considering the kids are supposed to be in the center of the X-Over, and Elixir is rumored to have a messiah complex, but it would be fantastic if Rahne was pregnant and it wasn't Ric's.

Crap. Good point. I'm a huge fan of wild speculation- it makes for interesting discussion.

I am, too!

Message boards wouldn't be any fun at all without a little bit of speculation and without a pinch of craziness.

[_Jayme_]

but it would be fantastic if Rahne was pregnant and it wasn't Ric's.

And who else would have sex with Rahne? Haha..I mean it..It sounds like a joke, but Madrox has hinted he wouldn't have sex with her..Guido seems kind of freakish, but they have that brother sister hate relationship..

I still think it's Siryn who is pregnant..it's giving hints that it could be Rahne or M, but I think it could be Siryn simply because it seems the least likely..and David loves that shit.

[Faded]

And who else would have sex with Rahne? Haha..I mean it..It sounds like a joke, but Madrox has hinted he wouldn't have sex with her..Guido seems kind of freakish, but they have that brother sister hate relationship..

I still think it's Siryn who is pregnant..it's giving hints that it could be Rahne or M, but I think it could be Siryn simply because it seems the least likely..and David loves that shit.

A dupe with an animal fetish? A stranger?

I dunno, her animal side seems to be getting the best of her. And that side sure is horny.

[Monty_Cristo]

And who else would have sex with Rahne?

Madrox might have a side of himself that's in to bestiality.

[Volk1]

And who else would have sex with Rahne?

You see - for me - I thought Rahne was most def a virgin until she did it with Julio the first time. There wasn't one time in Rahne's history where I thought she could have done it - even with the whole Elixir thing.


And with what has happened in X-Factor AND New X-Men the last couple of years it makes it really hard for me to imagine a time where they could have done it. I know they can retcon a time but for continuity's sake...I don't see it.

Now if PAD retroactively shows Rahne boinking another guy before Ric, then there's that. Because Nicole finds the pregnancy test the same issue Rahne gets freaky with Ric - that's hard to believe she'd take a test the same day.:confused:

So either Rahne did somebody else before - which amplifies the notion that she is IN HEAT! Or it's not her. :)

If it is her - maybe it has to do with something about her seeing the future and her killing Jamie and Layla. Could a child of hers prevent that somehow?

I'm eager for PAD to come back to that. :D

(damn, i can get analytical.)

[Alex A Sanchez]

There wasn't one time in Rahne's history where I thought she could have done it - even with the whole Elixir thing.


I've only become a New X-men fan recently, and Elixir is one of my favorites. I knew Rahne messed around with a student from reading about it here, but I didn't know it was ELIXIR!- I now NEED to go back and read these issues. What ones were they?


So either Rahne did somebody else before - which amplifies the notion that she is IN HEAT!

I'm a huge fan of her being in heat- since PAD is continuing with where he left of 14 years ago with the Isolationist storyline, I'd like to see him finish his Rahne subplot as well. Too bad Genosha is destroyed and thus we'll never get to see what was supposed to happen to the X-patriots.


I am, too!

Message boards wouldn't be any fun at all without a little bit of speculation and without a pinch of craziness.

This is prolly the reason you're one of my favorite posters here.
The X-forums are zany, and I love it! We're all fanatics, which is probably why this is the busiest of the mainstream forums on CBR.

[Fatguy]

And who else would have sex with Rahne? Haha..I mean it..It sounds like a joke, but Madrox has hinted he wouldn't have sex with her..Guido seems kind of freakish, but they have that brother sister hate relationship..

I'm sorry, but Rahne is hot.

I dig the short hair and peircings, and I would totally date a girl who could transform into a wolf :o

[jarrod]

And who else would have sex with Rahne?
Um... Dani?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Um... Dani?


Only if Claremont was writing. Or slash fanfic writers. You'd be amazed how alike the two are :D

[xmanson]

Maybe it's an immaculate conception. Would be a nice plot for someone as religous as Rahne.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Maybe it's an immaculate conception. Would be a nice plot for someone as religous as Rahne.

Agreed. That's my thought, given the statements that the upcoming crossover will play on her religious beliefs.

Though if that is the case, one has to wonder why she's on the cover of X-Factor with Wolverine, Caliban et all. I know pregnant women aren't made of glass, but you'd think that they'd wanna keep her off the front lines.

[jarrod]

Maybe it's an immaculate conception. Would be a nice plot for someone as religous as Rahne.
You mean like... the Phoenix did it? :P

[Don Quixote]

I've only become a New X-men fan recently, and Elixir is one of my favorites. I knew Rahne messed around with a student from reading about it here, but I didn't know it was ELIXIR!- I now NEED to go back and read these issues. What ones were they?


She's in Nunzio & Christina's New Mutants #9-12. Then in Academy X #1-13. Pretty much all of her appearances in it are about the Elixir thing.

I think she specifically says she didn't sleep with Elixir, and that Dani should know this because of Rahne's values and beliefs. Sounds to me like she was a virgin at that time.

[Arilou]

I think she specifically says she didn't sleep with Elixir, and that Dani should know this because of Rahne's values and beliefs. Sounds to me like she was a virgin at that time.


Dani actually asks her about it and Rahne denies it vehemently.

Of course, she COULD be lying. They certainly snogged a lot.

[The Cool Thatguy]

She's in Nunzio & Christina's New Mutants #9-12. Then in Academy X #1-13. Pretty much all of her appearances in it are about the Elixir thing.

I think she specifically says she didn't sleep with Elixir, and that Dani should know this because of Rahne's values and beliefs. Sounds to me like she was a virgin at that time.


Pretty much. That story line was terrible, and I'm glad that the writers didn't have Rahne statutory rape. If the kid was Josh's, there'd be an indication long before now, IMO.

[Affinity]

Oh. my. god.

Why did you guys EVER let me drop this book?!

I just caught up on every issue so far. Everything I missed and THEN SOME in case I was forgetting stuff.

Rahne under Raimondi is SOOOOOO CUUUUUTTEEEEEE. I love her! The short hair and, um, petit frame is SO ADORABLE UGH I JUST WANNA HUG HER. Rictor is cool, too!

I am entirely in love with the cast right now! PAD is amazing. Raimondi is perfect.

It felt good to see Clay again and be like WHUTTTT. So many WHUTTTT moments in X-Factor! OMG this book is just so amazing. Wtf Finny, way to go on dropping an awesome book for like a year! Rahne. LOVE HER. SO MUCH.

Raimondi draws amazing outfits.

[Affinity]

Oh. my. god.

Why did you guys EVER let me drop this book?!

I just caught up on every issue so far. Everything I missed and THEN SOME in case I was forgetting stuff.

Rahne under Raimondi is SOOOOOO CUUUUUTTEEEEEE. I love her! The short hair and, um, petit frame is SO ADORABLE UGH I JUST WANNA HUG HER. Rictor is cool, too!

I am entirely in love with the cast right now! PAD is amazing. Raimondi is perfect.

It felt good to see Clay again and be like WHUTTTT. So many WHUTTTT moments in X-Factor! OMG this book is just so amazing. Wtf Finny, way to go on dropping an awesome book for like a year! Rahne. LOVE HER. SO MUCH.

Raimondi draws amazing outfits.

[Affinity]

Crazy double postage! :0

[HotRod_Tim]

Woo-Hoo for an "earth shaking love fest" if you can catch my meaning. :D


Also and Poor Layla, I guess someone wants her out of the way but who ? :(

Well, obviously, if you read the issue than you should know that it's Joseph Huber, the Isolationist.

[Pro]

I think she specifically says she didn't sleep with Elixir

With Elixer's biomanipulative powers technically i don't think he needs to rely on .. conventional impregnation if the desire were there, subconcious though it might have been ..

Why did you guys EVER let me drop this book?!

*Shuns*

I just caught up on every issue so far.

Okay you're back in.
And yea Rahne was the least used character so far but recently her storyline is starting to get more direction. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

[The Cool Thatguy]

And yea Rahne was the least used character so far but recently her storyline is starting to get more direction. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Which, honestly, is one of the main reasons why I think it's Rahne that's pregnant. PAD's largely neglected her thus far.

[Faded]

Oh. my. god.

Why did you guys EVER let me drop this book?!

I just caught up on every issue so far. Everything I missed and THEN SOME in case I was forgetting stuff.

Rahne under Raimondi is SOOOOOO CUUUUUTTEEEEEE. I love her! The short hair and, um, petit frame is SO ADORABLE UGH I JUST WANNA HUG HER. Rictor is cool, too!

I am entirely in love with the cast right now! PAD is amazing. Raimondi is perfect.

It felt good to see Clay again and be like WHUTTTT. So many WHUTTTT moments in X-Factor! OMG this book is just so amazing. Wtf Finny, way to go on dropping an awesome book for like a year! Rahne. LOVE HER. SO MUCH.

Raimondi draws amazing outfits.

I didn't know, I would've stopped you!


This is prolly the reason you're one of my favorite posters here.
The X-forums are zany, and I love it! We're all fanatics, which is probably why this is the busiest of the mainstream forums on CBR.

Awww...thanks! :o

[Alex A Sanchez]

Oh. my. god.

Why did you guys EVER let me drop this book?!

Don't blame me! I promote this book so hard core that I'm sure people don't even listen to me cuz they think I'm being paid.

Which, honestly, is one of the main reasons why I think it's Rahne that's pregnant. PAD's largely neglected her thus far.

The more I read about her being pregnant, the more likely I think that it is her. And I think it will be a good thing. Seriuosly (as I'm sure its been mentioned on these boards before), when have we ever seen a x-parent? Scott had a son, only to have him thrown into the future before he was raised. I can see how having an infant around can slow down a book like X-men, but X-Factor, on the other hand, is the perfect place for a child to make an appearance. Heck, Layla can babysit!

[Hi-Fi]

It can't be Rahne, guys. I really think it's Terry now.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It can't be Rahne, guys. I really think it's Terry now.

Why? She volunteered for a mission without a second thought. As someone on another board pointed out, both Terry and Monet accepted a mission without much concern and upon being captured, didn't express any extra concern for their physical well being.

Plus, them being preggers would make Jamie a single parent. If PAD wanted to go that route, he could have found a way with the Priest dupe Jamie from a few issues back.

[Affinity]

I don't think it's Rahne either.

Maybe I don't think things enough, but would it be too obvious if it was Monet's? Does everything have to be super humongous reveal? Lol.

Didn't read the thread, but, regarding Messiah Complex;
Could the baby that's the big brouhaha behind MC be Jaimie's and Monet/Terry's?

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm beginning to think it's immaculate conception. that would be like the coolest mutant power ever; will yourself to be born.

[Fatguy]

i'm beginning to think it's immaculate conception. that would be like the coolest mutant power ever; will yourself to be born.

Its gonna be Cable, his ghost was so uber powerfull he willed himself into Rahne's uterus.

[Monty_Cristo]

Its gonna be Cable, his ghost was so uber powerfull he willed himself into Rahne's uterus.

or Threnody brings Nate Grey back. or has her kid.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Its gonna be Cable, his ghost was so uber powerfull he willed himself into Rahne's uterus.

Given all the Jesus symbolism in Cable and Deadpool's first 12 issues, I wouldn't be completely shocked. Disgusted, yes, but not shocked.

[Fatguy]

Given all the Jesus symbolism in Cable and Deadpool's first 12 issues, I wouldn't be completely shocked. Disgusted, yes, but not shocked.

You know, I was kidding at first, but the more I have thought about it the more I believe it to be a possibilty lol

[CMBMOOL]

Well, obviously, if you read the issue than you should know that it's Joseph Huber, the Isolationist.


No what I meant by Earth shaking lovefeast is between Rictor and Rahne. :D

[Magneto_X]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jospeh Huber ends up being Mr. Sinister.

The character just has that "vibe".

[Affinity]

Has the Isolationist been mentioned/alluded to/seen before Monet and Siryn went to Paris? I tooooooooootally remember something.

[xmanson]

You mean like... the Phoenix did it? :P

This was actually CC's plan for Rachel, Jean had an imaculate conception, giving birth toi the daughter of Phoenix.

[Monty_Cristo]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jospeh Huber ends up being Mr. Sinister.

The character just has that "vibe".

then what's with the omnipathy?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Well there is one way to tell if it's Sinister...Essex could never hide his brilliance rate. How smart does this Joseph come off as?

[Cthulhudrew]

Has the Isolationist been mentioned/alluded to/seen before Monet and Siryn went to Paris? I tooooooooootally remember something.

Other than the scene in Genosha in Peter David's original run on X-Factor? (A scene that got retconned by Lobdell into being Cameron Hodge). Not that I can recall.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Huber might end up being connected with the Madrox mini somehow (the reappearance of Clay in this issue seems more than coincidental to me).

[Cthulhudrew]

He's dropped the "While I live, Terror dies" thing, though. Which is good, since that sucked.

I think the line itself was stupid, but I liked the guy's role (terrorist fighter). Seems kind of strange that he'd go from that to being a paid mercenary/bodyguard, and I wonder if we'll get any explanation behind his paradigm shift.

Kind of cool to see him again, but I think- especially given the current RW political climate and the MU one as well- that he'd be better used in his traditional role, and would/could actually be somewhat relevant now as a result.

[Affinity]

Aw, 'kay. I thought maybe it was in one of the recap pages or something.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Actually, Huber appeared in the Paris issues (don't recall which ones off hand). He was in the shadows, but he held the cops off while Monet's plane took off, allowing them to escape with Nicole.

[Cthulhudrew]

Actually, Huber appeared in the Paris issues (don't recall which ones off hand). He was in the shadows, but he held the cops off while Monet's plane took off, allowing them to escape with Nicole.

Hence why he asked:

Has the Isolationist been mentioned/alluded to/seen before Monet and Siryn went to Paris? I tooooooooootally remember something.

[Volk1]

It can't be Rahne, guys. I really think it's Terry now.

Only one person can EVER have Theresa's child and that MAN is Wade Winston Wilson!! :)


Siryn/DP forevz111!11!

[Arilou]

I think the line itself was stupid, but I liked the guy's role (terrorist fighter). Seems kind of strange that he'd go from that to being a paid mercenary/bodyguard, and I wonder if we'll get any explanation behind his paradigm shift.

Kind of cool to see him again, but I think- especially given the current RW political climate and the MU one as well- that he'd be better used in his traditional role, and would/could actually be somewhat relevant now as a result.

Agreed. I've always liked that line. Stupid?`Yeah. But kind of cool anyway. It takes confidence to say something that stupid and mean it.

Pretty much. That story line was terrible, and I'm glad that the writers didn't have Rahne statutory rape. If the kid was Josh's, there'd be an indication long before now, IMO.


Really? It was my favourite part of the Academy X series, and I loved that series.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Really? It was my favourite part of the Academy X series, and I loved that series.


It was just a retread of the same Rahne plot we've seen before. Rahne falls in love with some blond, angst and then resolution. Doug was cute, Havok was character development and by Doulock, the 'Rahne in love' plot got old.

[sephirothskiller]

It was just a retread of the same Rahne plot we've seen before. Rahne falls in love with some blond, angst and then resolution. Doug was cute, Havok was character development and by Doulock, the 'Rahne in love' plot got old.

It was fresh for those who don't have a long history of comics though!