Superman: Man Of Steel movie news-- 2 villians!

[Pink Bat Max]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/3830.asp

I'll assume one is Lex...... who does everyone think the other is? I'm hoping for Brainiac!

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

I'm hoping for Brainiac!

You ain't the only one.

[4thHorseman]

I remember Singer saying that he plans on having some threat from offplanet come to Earth. Problem is, I don't know if that has changed since it was said....

Brainiac is still my guess though.

[Nate Grey]

I say save the subtitle for part three and call this one "Superman: Hits Something".

[Erebus]

I've been dying to see Manchester Black in the movies. To see how Superman contrasts with a so-called "edgy, hip, modern" charecter, and how some people think heroes like Superman are obsolete.

[bjtrdff]

Sweet...an actual bad guy for Superman to fight. 10x better than the first already.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I'm almost sure it's Brainiac. Darkseid would be one tough muthaf*cka to bring to the silver screen, and I don't see Bizarro as the villain for the sequel.

Besides, it's the villain Donner wanted for Superman III (before he was fired by the Salkinds, of course).

[The Batman]

Bringing Darkseid to the screen is easy. Doing it in such a way that it does the character justice and works out well is hard. The Animated Series and the comics had alot of time and space to build up Darkseid that a major motion picture just doesn't have.

I think Brainiac for a villain is a great idea. If we've got an alien super computer coming to Earth, maybe looking for the source of the ridiculously advanced Kryptonian technology that's now floating around in our solar system, and causing all kinds of trouble. This is obviously a job for Superman, but it also brings Jason, and in turn Lois and Richard, into the mix since Jason is the other closest thing to a Kryptonian on Earth as well as Luthor since he's the only other person on the planet with an understanding of Kryptonian technology.

[Froggy]

I've been dying to see Manchester Black in the movies. To see how Superman contrasts with a so-called "edgy, hip, modern" charecter, and how some people think heroes like Superman are obsolete.

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE who wanted that?

bring the WHOLE elite too!:mad:

[BYC]

Now that I think about it, Superman Returns could have used a Manchester Black/Magog type figure to show how important Superman is. What was the episode in Superman Animated Series where Lex created that suit which twisted the soldier that was wearing it? That'd been something more appropriate to the movies (seeing how in the movie continunity, there wasn't really any other superheroes), and then going out of control, until Superman came and saved the day, showing humanity why the world needs a Superman.

And to piss of Lex more of course.

Brainiac for Man of Steel would be very nice. And it also sets up for a third movie if there is one where Lex uses what's left over of Brainiac to build himself the battlesuit and/or creates Metallo to handle Superman.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Bringing Darkseid to the screen is easy. Doing it in such a way that it does the character justice and works out well is hard. The Animated Series and the comics had alot of time and space to build up Darkseid that a major motion picture just doesn't have.

That's exactly the problem.

[PatrickG]

I'm betting Brainiac and Zod are the villains. Zod's been hinted at. The buzz for Brainiac is big.

And just because Lex is IN the movie doesn't mean he should count towards the two villains.

He could just have a subplot (a bold choice IMO) or (my favorite idea) he could be forced to work with Superman and REALLY humanized by having the chance to betray Superman... and not taking it yet. Heck, that would eat him up inside and make for a really great villainous comeback down the line if the series continues.

[Black Atom]

The first villain is Lex and the second is a representative of Child Protection Services. They want to nail Supes for back child support.

Or maybe the second villain is Superman's own sense of longing and regret. Is that post-modern enough.

[PatrickG]

Bringing Darkseid to the screen is easy. Doing it in such a way that it does the character justice and works out well is hard. The Animated Series and the comics had alot of time and space to build up Darkseid that a major motion picture just doesn't have.

I think Brainiac for a villain is a great idea. If we've got an alien super computer coming to Earth, maybe looking for the source of the ridiculously advanced Kryptonian technology that's now floating around in our solar system, and causing all kinds of trouble. This is obviously a job for Superman, but it also brings Jason, and in turn Lois and Richard, into the mix since Jason is the other closest thing to a Kryptonian on Earth as well as Luthor since he's the only other person on the planet with an understanding of Kryptonian technology.

Kinda my thought.

In fact, my idea is that both Lex and Superman should have a problem, each with a respective villain, that becomes the other's problem.

The motif of the movie could be about "taking responsibility".

I can see Luthor freeing Zod and/or restoring his powers (depending on whether Superman II happened). Which is great for Lex if he does it right and bad for Superman since Zod's oath against Jor-El "and (his) heirs" applies to Jason as well as Superman.

Meanwhile, Superman could have a problem with Brainiac that would definitely create problems for Lex. (Ie. Lex is no longer the smartest guy on the planet. Earth is in danger which is a lot of real estate that Lex would be missing out on.)

Lex and Superman working together would cut through some of the excessive seriousness that plagued the first film.

"Taking responsibility" for Superman could mean some kind of definite action or decision regarding his role towards Jason and Lois.

"Taking responsibility" for Lex could mean being willing to set aside his grudge with Superman for a greater good and might even setup more of a Lexcorp-type setup for Lex in future films.

Also, I would really like to see Lex fleshed out the way Superman has been with the flashbacks and exposition in SR and with the sweeping story in the Donner movie.

We know Lex's dad filled Lex with the "real estate" fixation and kicked him out as a child. And my bet is that if you scratch the surface of movie Lex, you have an abused child. Deep down, there's some good there. The laughter, the wisecracks, even the evil are defense mechanisms. And once you lay all that bare, the wisecracks take on a new meaning. The lame sidekicks take on a new meaning. And once you have him betray himself by doing good and once you've seen how messed up and sociopathic he is, you get a much richer Luthor.

I can see Spacey's Lex as becoming BOTH the guy in the suit staring out his giant glass highrise at Superman while sipping a martini and the guy who dresses like the Red Baron to fly a plane on the weekend.

The jokes don't have to stop but they become less funny when you see what fuels them.

And I'd love Lex turning to Superman as Zod and Brainiac lay waste to Metropolis and saying, "Well, Superman... This is another fine mess you've gotten us into."

And for fun, Lex might be essential as the one man who could outwit Brainiac and retrieve Kryptonite to use against Zod... And Superman could be pared down (without becoming USELESS or a retreat) if he was, say, PARTIALLY depowered down to "Leaping tall buildings in a single bound" by some scheme as Brainiac, allowing the visuals for the fights to be very brutal, very Max Fleischer Superman meets the Matrix.

[marshal99]

One is Lex , the other one is the immigration department who wants to deport superman for being an illegal immigrant. ;)

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I'm betting Brainiac and Zod are the villains. Zod's been hinted at. The buzz for Brainiac is big.

And just because Lex is IN the movie doesn't mean he should count towards the two villains.

He could just have a subplot (a bold choice IMO) or (my favorite idea) he could be forced to work with Superman and REALLY humanized by having the chance to betray Superman... and not taking it yet. Heck, that would eat him up inside and make for a really great villainous comeback down the line if the series continues.

Not too sure about Zod. It wasn't more than rumors back in the day.

[PatrickG]

Not too sure about Zod. It wasn't more than rumors back in the day.

One screenwriter was going around in a "Kneel Before Zod" shirt and gesturing to it when people asked about the sequel.

That said, if it's Lex and Zod, people will scream "rehash" even if it's wholly original.

Which is why IMO if Zod is one of the villains and Lex is in the film, Lex should be something other than a villain this time out. Doesn't mean he's a nice guy or that he shouldn't be in the film but I think we need a new villain. Zod and Brainiac would be cool IMO and Brainiac needs more developing than Zod.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

One screenwriter was going around in a "Kneel Before Zod" shirt and gesturing to it when people asked about the sequel.

When did this happen?


That said, if it's Lex and Zod, people will scream "rehash" even if it's wholly original.

Exactly my unpublished thoughts (until now, that is).


Which is why IMO if Zod is one of the villains and Lex is in the film, Lex should be something other than a villain this time out. Doesn't mean he's a nice guy or that he shouldn't be in the film but I think we need a new villain. Zod and Brainiac would be cool IMO and Brainiac needs more developing than Zod.

I agree with the sentiment related to the need of a new villain. It's a given that Lex's gonna be in the sequel, and damn, Zod is cool. But I wouldn't want to even think about the phrase "Superman II rehash".

[Super J.]

Its got to be Brainiac but it could be Zod. Or maybe...Mxyzptlk?

...maybe not.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Meh. I don't think there's a chance in hell Mxy will appear in any movie, unless a big tweak to the whole character is made. I mean, he's best suited for the comic books (and animation).

[lovefist911]

The first villain is Lex and the second is a representative of Child Protection Services. They want to nail Supes for back child support.

Or maybe the second villain is Superman's own sense of longing and regret. Is that post-modern enough.

:D That's funny right there. I'm on the Brainiac list, or better yet, THE ERADICATOR! Think about it, Supes sent a big chunk of Kryptonian techology into space with the crystals that "Kitty" threw out the chopper while escaping. I like that Idea. Brainiac or the Eradicator could come out of that. As for the second villian, I'd hate to see Spacy's Lex again so I'll say Metallo. Yeah, that's right, Metallo.

[BeastieRunner]

Bizzaro!!!

[Joe Night]

I'm betting Brainiac and Zod are the villains. Zod's been hinted at. The buzz for Brainiac is big.

And just because Lex is IN the movie doesn't mean he should count towards the two villains.

He could just have a subplot (a bold choice IMO) or (my favorite idea) he could be forced to work with Superman and REALLY humanized by having the chance to betray Superman... and not taking it yet. Heck, that would eat him up inside and make for a really great villainous comeback down the line if the series continues.

I swear that I read something that said that they ruled Zod out for sure, I could be wrong though.

[botch]

Good Lord Superman Returns was an atrocious movie. Just terrible. The reception was lukewarm last year(except from ironically superman fans, though most turned out to be 10-13 years old so their brains aren't developed enough) but the movie geeks found it lukewarm and now it's just hatred. But I understand it. Such a dull, frustrating movie to watch. Transformers had all the elements that Superman Returns should have had, and Optimus Prime was more Superman than Superman was.

[lovefist911]

Good Lord Superman Returns was an atrocious movie. Just terrible. The reception was lukewarm last year(except from ironically superman fans, though most turned out to be 10-13 years old so their brains aren't developed enough) but the movie geeks found it lukewarm and now it's just hatred. But I understand it. Such a dull, frustrating movie to watch. Transformers had all the elements that Superman Returns should have had, and Optimus Prime was more Superman than Superman was.

No kidding there, A total deformed knock off of Donner's original. Supes saves Lois from a falling aircraft, Lex wants land, green K downs supes, Lex's hoe has a change of heart, blah!

I tried to make myself like this movie! Now, it's just "ok". It didn't make me crave a sequel right away the way Spiderman1 and Transformers did. The way I see it, sequals for films like Superman and Hulk, can only get better.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Good Lord Superman Returns was an atrocious movie. Just terrible. The reception was lukewarm last year(except from ironically superman fans, though most turned out to be 10-13 years old so their brains aren't developed enough) but the movie geeks found it lukewarm and now it's just hatred. But I understand it. Such a dull, frustrating movie to watch. Transformers had all the elements that Superman Returns should have had, and Optimus Prime was more Superman than Superman was.

So, you're saying that anyone who liked the movie is retarded?

[lovefist911]

I guess I have partial Down Syndrome then, cause I really liked whenever he broke the sound barrier. Bizzaro could be done by cloning from some Superman DNA (maybe from lois's black dress!), resulting in the imperfect clone. As long as he gets to throw down in the next movie! Damn, even his bastard kid took out a bad guy in "Returns"...

[4thHorseman]

I guess I have partial Down Syndrome then, cause I really liked whenever he broke the sound barrier. Bizzaro could be done by cloning from some Superman DNA (maybe from lois's black dress!), resulting in the imperfect clone. As long as he gets to throw down in the next movie! Damn, even his bastard kid took out a bad guy in "Returns"...

Someone had posted a theory about having the kid turn into Bizarro for the third film. I would have done a trilogy bringing Bizarro in in a different way.

The more I think about it, Mongul does seem like a decent choice for the third film. I can picture Warworld coming to Earth, Superman trying to stop it as Warworld invades, and Lex coming up with a brilliant plan to help and regain his place as a powerhouse in Metropolis.

[Joe Night]

I guess I have partial Down Syndrome then, cause I really liked whenever he broke the sound barrier. Bizzaro could be done by cloning from some Superman DNA (maybe from lois's black dress!), resulting in the imperfect clone. As long as he gets to throw down in the next movie! Damn, even his bastard kid took out a bad guy in "Returns"...


You've got a point about how even the kid got to take out a bad guy. Although I still dislike strongly the idea of him having a kid.

[lovefist911]

I also did not like the idea of a him having a son. Let's trade, the Kid for the Super Computer, or better yet, Nuclear Man!!!

[Nate Grey]

Hey, what if the kid is really Brainiac 5 with amnesia? Only he gets his memory back (and his adulthood) once Brainiac invades earth so he can help Superman?

Hey, I know, fan-fic, but that's one way to get rid of him...

[lovefist911]

Another way to get rid of the kid is to have Supes fly around the world, turning back time to the moment he skeeted up in Lois and have him pullout. I really hate the idea of him having a bastard son.

[Nate Grey]

Another way to get rid of the kid is to have Supes fly around the world, turning back time to the moment he skeeted up in Lois and have him pullout. I really hate the idea of him having a bastard son.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. :D Yeah, and the two Supermen would shake hands, the one from the past saying "Thanks! Close one, huh?"

[lovefist911]

"skeet, skeet, skeet!"