View Full Version : Do you think that Scarlet Witch is truly depowered?
rajincajun689
08-06-2007, 10:23 AM
I know that since M-Day there has been some debate over Wanda still having her powers. I mean sure when Emma Frost scanned the world for all remaining mutants after M Day, Wanda wasn't on the list. However the events of New Avengers 26( random return of Hawkeye, "Auntie Agatha", hot doorknob) made me wonder whether she still had her powers and just wasnt aware, I'm sure someone that can warp reality and manipulate probabilities could find a way around detection by Cerebra.
Anyway what's your opinion on this?
_Jayme_
08-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Finally...an intelligent thread that can hopefully be discussed without the talk of racism...
"WANDA IS A JEW!"...I can imagine it now.
I believe she may be in hiding myself. If she's powerful enough to shift reality, she can certainly hide herself from Cerebra..but what you siad makes sense too...She might not even be aware of who she is, what she did and if she has powers..
The Fury
08-06-2007, 10:35 AM
Racism?... when has that ever come up in any thread beside Hudlin ones?
Yes, she is depowered and also doesn't know who she 'was'. This may be a good thing to one day redeeming her.
Brian "Vash" Ashby
08-06-2007, 10:37 AM
Finally...an intelligent thread that can hopefully be discussed without the talk of racism...
"WANDA IS A JEW!"...I can imagine it now.
I believe she may be in hiding myself. If she's powerful enough to shift reality, she can certainly hide herself from Cerebra..but what you siad makes sense too...She might not even be aware of who she is, what she did and if she has powers..
Wanda isnt a Jew. Her mother was a gypsy, therefore, not a jew.
jmc247
08-06-2007, 10:38 AM
Wanda was behind one of the greatest atrocities in history of Marvel and perhaps the greatest atrocity in the history of the X-books. The near eradication of the mutant race which is one reason I suspect they have depowered her.
Given Bendis increased her power to Living Tribunal levels for plot reasons I think they would have to get rid of her powers to justify Marvel heroes not being forced to kill her to save the universe from another crazy Wanda episode.
Who would be against the Avengers and X-Men killing a powered Wanda at this point? The list would be very very short.
_Jayme_
08-06-2007, 10:41 AM
Wanda isnt a Jew. Her mother was a gypsy, therefore, not a jew.
Magneto is a jew..so Wanda was born a jew. :p
Veronica_Sawyer
08-06-2007, 10:42 AM
It might also be a whole repression thing occuring and its just her unconsciously using her powers to stop cerebra from detecting her. Something like Iceman after house of m, all in the mind and whatnot
Brian "Vash" Ashby
08-06-2007, 10:43 AM
Magneto is a jew..so Wanda was born a jew. :p
thats not how it works
You become jewish from your mother, thats all that matters. If your mother was jewish and you are an atheist you are still, technically, a jew
Thats why when Jewish men marry a non-jew woman there is, sometimes, a family is reaaaaaaaaaaaaalllll unhappy
Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-06-2007, 10:45 AM
I think she's still a mutant because on some level she knows she didn't depower EVERY mutant so if she herself became human she'd have no protection against those that want to kill her.
Honestly, where is the "Hunt/Search for Wanda?"....someone *coughlaylacough* needs to make what she did public knowledge
Hi-Fi
08-06-2007, 10:45 AM
Wanda is a Jewel!
http://www.8notes.com/wiki/images/300px-Jewel.jpg
Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-06-2007, 10:47 AM
thats not how it works
You become jewish from your mother, thats all that matters. If your mother was jewish and you are an atheist you are still, technically, a jew
Thats why when Jewish men marry a non-jew woman there is, sometimes, a family is reaaaaaaaaaaaaalllll unhappy
That's not what happened on Sex and the City!!!
Harry, the bald jewish lawyer, wouldn't marry Charolette b/c she wasn't a Jew (yet he's eat pork) and she had to convert for him even though his mother was dead!
(yes she is the character I most relate to ;)
Besides wasn't Wanda raised by that Bova cow woman?...clearly she's Hindu
Bulky Brent
08-06-2007, 10:53 AM
She was never really Depewored to begin with she just appears to be depowered it's just that shes in obscurity so Know one knows her true status. the fact that she was Uber powerful did not help her status therefore that is why they removed her from the main picture for the time being.I have no doubt that she will return as powerful as she was
jmc247
08-06-2007, 11:01 AM
I have no doubt that she will return as powerful as she was
If she returns as powerful as she was then you will have World War Wanda on your hands, because how many people who know about M-Day would let such a threat live?
Brian "Vash" Ashby
08-06-2007, 11:09 AM
i think some former mutant will kill her
Personally i want her around so i can retcon Sentry and Jessica Jones out of existence. Nothing against jones, but i think it would be an awesome burn to use Bendis' story to negate his own character
Phil Hunn
08-06-2007, 12:59 PM
I hope she depowered herself along with the rest of the poor schlubs whose lives she ruined, and who got killed because of her selfish tantrum. If she ever gets a spot on the Avengers again, I'll scream...
Wanda is a Jewel!
http://www.8notes.com/wiki/images/300px-Jewel.jpg
That's tired!
It's funny how she was used to create HoM and the effects afterwards with M-Day and then she just disappeared and nobody has plans for her. Total plot device.
Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-06-2007, 01:04 PM
That's tired!
It's funny how she was used to create HoM and the effects afterwards with M-Day and then she just disappeared and nobody has plans for her. Total plot device.
WANDA'S A JEW!?
WANDA'S A JEW!?
What're you trying to say??? You should just leave from here. Nobody likes you.
jester1436
08-06-2007, 01:09 PM
I don't necessarily think she's depowered. The last time she appeared, she wasn't even Wanda really. I get the feeling she used her power to recreate herself, and that the real Wanda with powers is somewhere inside, locked up in her head.
I don't fault Wanda for Decimation/House of M/Disassembled so much. She was transformed from a sensible character to a plot device. It's probably one of the things I dislike about Bendis' work at Marvel. That, and killing Alpha Flight as a sidenote, to show how powerful his creation was.
Even if it made sense, she was completely nuts at the time. That can totally be worked into being the puppet of numerous lame mind controlling villains. Maybe Shadow King had Obese Evil Karma do it.
Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-06-2007, 01:12 PM
What're you trying to say??? You should just leave from here. Nobody likes you.
*runs crying from the message board*
jmc247
08-06-2007, 02:03 PM
I don't fault Wanda for Decimation/House of M/Disassembled so much. She was transformed from a sensible character to a plot device.
A crazy mass murdering plot device.
At least when Austen made Polaris crazy he actually used her character as much more then a plot device.
Phil Hunn
08-06-2007, 02:23 PM
*runs crying from the message board*
Never mind, ICEF - I have a sort of grudging soft spot for you. Take that as you will :)
A crazy mass murdering plot device.
At least when Austen made Polaris crazy he actually used her character as much more then a plot device.
Indeed. Wanda's been almost totally stripped of anything worth redeeming. Such a pity...
jmc247
08-06-2007, 02:51 PM
Indeed. Wanda's been almost totally stripped of anything worth redeeming. Such a pity...
It was dirt easy for Bru to regress Polaris back to what she was in the 1970s. I actually prefered she would have kept some of the edge Austen gave her character.
That said it would take years and years to make Wanda a usable character without just retconning all her actions the past several years as her being controlled, which I am sure Marvel writers do not want to do. An ongoing with her in it would vastly speed up that process, but it would have to be something other then the core X-books or Avengers comics, something like a HoM ongoing.
chetes
08-06-2007, 03:06 PM
Personally i want her around so i can retcon Sentry and Jessica Jones out of existence. Nothing against jones, but i think it would be an awesome burn to use Bendis' story to negate his own character
It's amazing how cheerful just the thought of that makes me. I hope someone does that while Bendis is still in the industry.
Affinity
08-06-2007, 03:27 PM
LOLOL OOPS.
I meant yes, she is still powered, but I voted for NO. Because the thread question and the poll question are two different questions! OH NOESSZ!!
HellFrost
08-06-2007, 05:49 PM
I don't think she's depowered. I think that would be impossible. Her power would need to work for her to depower herself, however... if she tried to do that I don't think it would work completely... I'm having a hard time explaining this.
I love Wanda but i hope she has a major power down at least. I think that her power and her identity are somehow being hidden from herself.
JBKWaka
08-06-2007, 06:01 PM
Shes Most likely depowered though I'm sure what Hawkeye saw was a fragment of his Imagination that would explain it
We R. Venom
08-06-2007, 06:02 PM
I want to believe she does! So yes I do think she has her powers.
Onslaught Reborn
08-06-2007, 06:19 PM
Remember how back in the House of M, she hid herself away from the world, while creating a powerless 'construct' of herself to go out in public?
Your Role Model is guessing that's exactly what's going on again, and the Real Wanda is what's behind the mystery door Hawkeye didn't open. Not that either way makes him look any better after that issue.
Citizen V
08-06-2007, 08:31 PM
When Bendis writes a comic,everyone else ignores or recons what it was.So Wanda has her powers.
Joe Acro
08-07-2007, 08:09 AM
Magneto is a jew..so Wanda was born a jew. :pWas Wanda raised Jewish?
In any case, I think that either consciously or subconsciously she made her powers dormant and that they will re-manifest as the result of some kind of trauma. Perhaps whatever cures her amnesia.
Flâneur
08-07-2007, 09:40 AM
It's funny how she was used to create HoM and the effects afterwards with M-Day and then she just disappeared and nobody has plans for her. Total plot device.
Well to be fair, they had plans for her in Young Avengers which would possibly have let Nocturne go on a temp leave of absence from CC to join Wiccan/Speed in the Search for Wanda.
Bulky Brent
08-07-2007, 09:57 AM
Was Wanda raised Jewish?
In any case, I think that either consciously or subconsciously she made her powers dormant and that they will re-manifest as the result of some kind of trauma. Perhaps whatever cures her amnesia.
Yeah what happened to her could be similar to what happened to Ice Man
Perhaps Beast Will find her and rekindle her memory in Endangered Species
KetchFrayz
08-07-2007, 10:43 AM
Yeah what happened to her could be similar to what happened to Ice Man
Perhaps Beast Will find her and rekindle her memory in Endangered Species
I was thinking something similar along those lines
jmc247
08-07-2007, 12:31 PM
Yeah what happened to her could be similar to what happened to Ice Man
Perhaps Beast Will find her and rekindle her memory in Endangered Species
He doesn't know Magic. How could he?
Mikl C
08-07-2007, 12:37 PM
I miss GoodWandaTM :(
She was my favourite Avenger.
I have hope she can be redeemed.
jmc247
08-07-2007, 12:44 PM
I miss GoodWandaTM :(
She was my favourite Avenger.
I have hope she can be redeemed.
How? She has committed attempted genocide against a race of beings.
Slant
08-07-2007, 01:04 PM
How? She has committed attempted genocide against a race of beings.
In the world of comics, its possible. It might not be easy, put its still possible.
Mikl C
08-07-2007, 01:09 PM
I like the "posessed by Chthon" explanation myself.
Rubicant
08-07-2007, 01:13 PM
I don't think she's depowered. I think that would be impossible. Her power would need to work for her to depower herself, however... if she tried to do that I don't think it would work completely... I'm having a hard time explaining this.
I love Wanda but i hope she has a major power down at least. I think that her power and her identity are somehow being hidden from herself.
I think I understand what you mean. It's like trying to format the hard drive while you're in Windows. You can delete individual files, but if you try to hit "format" for the drive on which your operating system is installed, you simply can't.
Christopher O
08-07-2007, 01:57 PM
How? She has committed attempted genocide against a race of beings.
She may have stripped most mutants of the X-Gene, but she didn't exterminate them. Calling it genocide is really misleading.
HellFrost
08-07-2007, 04:35 PM
I think I understand what you mean. It's like trying to format the hard drive while you're in Windows. You can delete individual files, but if you try to hit "format" for the drive on which your operating system is installed, you simply can't.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ME!!!!!!!!
What he said *points to Rubicant*:cool:
jmc247
08-07-2007, 04:49 PM
She may have stripped most mutants of the X-Gene, but she didn't exterminate them. Calling it genocide is really misleading.
She regressed a growing new species back into homo sapiens. It is the moral equivelent of regressing humans into Homo Habilius.
Mikl C
08-07-2007, 04:53 PM
Aren't the Celestials really pissed off? They should stomp on her.
Cayman
08-07-2007, 04:55 PM
I like the "posessed by Chthon" explanation myself.
Me too. It lets us have her back.
forgotpassword
08-07-2007, 05:45 PM
I miss Wanda too.
I don't read Bendis anymore because of him sh!++ing on Wanda.
And, yes, if Jean Grey/Phoenix found a way to be excused for actual Genocide, then there shouldn't be a problem for any writer to come up with bringing Wanda back.
What is with Marvel Redheads anyways? When they go crazy, the go ultra crazy! :eek:
Babylon23
08-07-2007, 07:07 PM
So much Wanda love. It brings a tear to my eye.
Anyway, I'm all for the possessed by Chthon solution. It just makes perfect sense.
as for redeeming characters, Phoenix wiped out an entire planet, but that didn't stop Jean Grey from redemption. Hal Jordan tried to rewrite reality but he was saved. Magneto was redeemed in the 80's before the 90's reverted him to villain again.
Wanda can be redeemed. All it will take is a writer who sees her as a character and not a lame plot device.
So much Wanda love. It brings a tear to my eye.
Anyway, I'm all for the possessed by Chthon solution. It just makes perfect sense.
as for redeeming characters, Phoenix wiped out an entire planet, but that didn't stop Jean Grey from redemption. Hal Jordan tried to rewrite reality but he was saved. Magneto was redeemed in the 80's before the 90's reverted him to villain again.
Wanda can be redeemed. All it will take is a writer who sees her as a character and not a lame plot device.
I don't mind Wanda, I actually kinda like her. I just don't like that she was just used as a plot device and then just dumped off somewhere by Marvel.
Babylon23
08-07-2007, 07:18 PM
I don't mind Wanda, I actually kinda like her. I just don't like that she was just used as a plot device and then just dumped off somewhere by Marvel.
Trust me, you're not the only one. I just complain about it more because Wanda is my favourite character.
Xanrn
08-07-2007, 08:07 PM
Wanda isn't depowered and she knows who she is.
All that in NA26 was a big fake out.
Actually she might not be a mutant anymore, just a witch.
It was Mephisto who "controlled" her.
The Treaty between Heaven and Hell which allows the Humans to choose, does not apply the souls of Mutants cause their not human.
So Mephisto was looking at an eventaul loss of his soul income, so he pushed Wanda in the climax of House of M (the rest of House of M was that idiot Pietros fault), No More Mutants and the few that remain will die out.
Leaving Mephisto lots of nice Human souls.
ddqfpluskick
08-07-2007, 09:53 PM
I'm not really sure.
On the one hand she could still have her powers, but in House of M Wanda didn't really need to run her reality after she created it. So in a sense she could have made herself the way she was and then made herself normal. That would explain the doorknob as it just shifted. However Emma didn't find the collective either so who knows.
Erik Lehnsherr
08-08-2007, 12:01 AM
She's in Wunagore having a good laugh at those in America struggling over this Decimation issue. The one mutant who won after the House of M deal was Wanda Maximoff. She's so powerful not even Thor or Sentry's best efforts would mean nothing. Hell, not even Strange stood a chance without Layla waking him up. Wanda may end up being the biggest villian of the last 10 years.
Chase
08-08-2007, 04:00 AM
Yeah what happened to her could be similar to what happened to Ice Man
Perhaps Beast Will find her and rekindle her memory in Endangered Species
I do think Wanda will kick start Messiah Complex, possibly dying while giving birth to the X-gene child. Would be sort of fitting. http://i13.tinypic.com/5z792dd.gif
I do think Wanda will kick start Messiah Complex, possibly dying while giving birth to the X-gene child.
Unless there is more to it that won't help mutants out in, as Masque said:".. a day not far away, when mutants won't be dying off..". A single mutant child isn't going to stop mutantkind from dying out. Mutants as a race have crossed the red line. Either we get to see repowerments or the race is doomed to extinction. Even if all remaining mutants were able to get babies again after messiah complex it would not save the race from extinction, that's what we were told by the writers going into this crossover. The villains are up to something far bigger, something that will restore at least part of the current mutant generation.
Together with the statement that the x-men will be more like an army than a family after Messiah Complex makes me think we'll see more mutants popping up after the crossover as a direct result of Sinister and his minions' actions.
We better, because i'm not planning to read about a bunch of superpowered dodos heading for extinction for the next couple of decades ..
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