DC WHAT ARE YOU DOING???!!!! - Important

[botch]

Did you not learn anything from Infinite Crisis? This is what I am complaining about, Final Crisis is coming up and it's 7 issues. Did you not learn that 7 Issues was not enough for Infinite Crisis? The result of which was the most rushed important comic in the history of comics(Infinite Crisis #7) which became the laughing stock of the Internet. Make it 9 Issues if you have to, we already know 7 is not enough when it comes to these Mega Events.

This is very important, everyone noticed that when Issue 5 came around that IC seemed off(#1-4 being brilliant, well paced comics) when 6 rolled around, people on this board and many others said (they are going to fit too much in 1 book, which ended up being true). Infinite Crisis 7 was an abomination, reading it now it should have been 4 more comics like World War 3.

Don't make it 7, who is with me??? Can you deny making Infinite Crisis a 7 issue series was a bad move since #7 had way too much and was obviously rushed and was a terrible comic.

[JamesJesse]

I would have to agree. Infinite Crisis would have benefitted from an additional two or three issues.

[jadrax]

Yeah, they ended up putting key parts of the story in other books, which they admitted was a mistake. I'm not sure why seven issues has been deemed the ideal number for this kind of thing.

[botch]

Yeah, they ended up putting key parts of the story in other books, which they admitted was a mistake. I'm not sure why seven issues has been deemed the ideal number for this kind of thing.

Well now we know it didn't work and everyone called it before Issue 7 came out so maybe someone will hear our voices so that it truly lives up to being "The Lord of the Rings" of mainstream Superhero comics. Make it more issues, even if they are oversized books.

Remember Battle of Metropolis which was about 4 pages, how much better would it have been if it was 5 issues like World War 3?

[Cayman]

FC has a much stronger writer than IC, so it'll probably be fine.

[NMoline]

9 or 12 would be fine if they release 2 a month. The problem with 9 or more is that they release one a month and then sometimes they delay and the event gets drug out over the course of a year. If they do 12 they should do 2 a month for 6 months. One ever 2 weeks would be perfect.

[Lorendiac]

9 or 12 would be fine if they release 2 a month. The problem with 9 or more is that they release one a month and then sometimes they delay and the event gets drug out over the course of a year. If they do 12 they should do 2 a month for 6 months. One ever 2 weeks would be perfect.

My basic feeling is that whether it's 7 issues or 12 issues, they should prepare carefully in advance for something so important as this is supposed to be, and make sure they can release it on a steady schedule by having the entire miniseries already scripted and penciled before they actually send #1 off to the printing plant and then distribute it to the stores. That way they won't run into any last-minute delays that will make #5 take an extra month before the artists can finish drawing and inking it, or whatever.

[Joe Acro]

Infinite Crisis needed fewer issues, just so I didn't have to put up with it as long. And given all the events and specials leading up to it, wrapping everything up in seven issues really shouldn't have been that hard. Johns or editorial or someone just wanted to include too much.

[Christopher O]

FC has a much stronger writer than IC, so it'll probably be fine.
I agree. This mini couldn't be in better hands.

[Calybos]

The ideal issue-length really depends on the story itself. Even if Infinite Crisis was rushed, there's no reason to assume that Final Crisis will have exactly the same amount of ground to cover.

[titanfan]

FC has a much stronger writer than IC, so it'll probably be fine.

Also a writer known for jamming so many ideas into his comic books that this could also be a disaster.

[DubipR]

Also a writer known for jamming so many ideas into his comic books that this could also be a disaster.

Oh, you of little faith. I have to agree with Cayman and Chris, the series is in better hands than some other writers. I'm actually looking forward to FINAL CRISIS. If there's only one person in comics that can save DC (and DiDio's job) its Grant Morrison. I have faith in him and JG Jones can pull this one off.

[jadrax]

The ideal issue-length really depends on the story itself. Even if Infinite Crisis was rushed, there's no reason to assume that Final Crisis will have exactly the same amount of ground to cover.

It's got more ground to cover, he says he is putting "Everything" into it ;o)

[Choppa]

Zero Hour was 4 issues and IC was 7 so 4+7=12 like COIE.

And issue #0 of ZH doesn't count because 7+4+0 still = 12

[Babylon23]

Personally, I thik the story should be as long as Morrison feels he needs. If he thinks 7 issues is enough, then leave it at 7 issues. I'd hate to see a much shorter story unnecessarily padded out the way HoM was.

[Man In Black]

Funny, you say IC was too short...I say COIE was too long. 12 issues seemed like way too much for that story.

SO if 7 is too short, and 12 is too long, what does that leave...maybe 9?

[Young Avenger]

Who knows, the issues could be double sized like WWH. I just hope that Final Crisis won't be filled with clusterf*** and wait until issue 3 to reveal the plot like in IC.

[Lorendiac]

Funny, you say IC was too short...I say COIE was too long. 12 issues seemed like way too much for that story.

SO if 7 is too short, and 12 is too long, what does that leave...maybe 9?

Would it cheer you up any to hear that originally Marv Wolfman figured 10 issues would be enough, but then someone higher up at DC insisted he insert some extra scenes for complicated reasons I won't go into now, and so he found the whole thing had to be stretched out to 12, practically at the last minute, even though he would have preferred not to inflict that upon his readers?

[Joe Acro]

Zero Hour was 4 issues and IC was 7 so 4+7=12 like COIE.

And issue #0 of ZH doesn't count because 7+4+0 still = 12
4 + 7 = 11

Just pointing that out.

[drwho]

I thought infinite crisis was too long.

[Tyr]

For the love of God, not another universe changing mini-series!

If you'll excuse me I think I'm going to go play in the Marvel universe for awhile...that is until Marvel decides its going to up DC's ante, in which case I'll go run my head through some drywall. :mad:

[The Shadow]

Infinite Crisis needed fewer issues, just so I didn't have to put up with it as long. And given all the events and specials leading up to it, wrapping everything up in seven issues really shouldn't have been that hard. Johns or editorial or someone just wanted to include too much.

What Joe said.

I thought IC should have been shorter as well. They tried to cram too much in and the results were a jumbled mess.

[spidervenom]

Didnt dc say that the issues are going be extra sized.

[Tumbido]

Didnt dc say that the issues are going be extra sized.

Yes. Now thing is, how big is oversized. I don't usually pay attention to those things.

[rerun]

It just needs to be plotted and paced ahead of time. The difficulty comes when it feels like they're taking their time and then all of a sudden say "crap, we only have 3 issues left".

Morrison's series often have detailed stories so hopefully he knows what he's working with and they had this planned out before they announced it as 7 issues.

I don't think it will necessarily be rushed at 7, but I also don't want it dragged out forever.

If it stays on schedule though, 9 issues in 9 months is just as good or better as 7 issues in 9 or 12 months IMHO.

[Kid Omega]

You're right.

This was important.

[Pinnacle]

I'm concerned considering how DC has been bad at pacing things. Just look at 52. Almost everyone would cite a couple of issues that didn't push the story along and yet when we got to the end something like WWIII takes place in only one week. And I don't buy the idea of superhuman battles restraining a superhero war to within one week. I mean if we want to get technical about it they could probably be over in a couple of minutes.

Anyway, Infinite Crisis seemed too short to me. The action, particularly the Battle of Metropolis, was very rushed in my oprinion. I would rather Final Crisis be 10-12 issues even if double-sized and they should of course be put out on a timely schedule well-planned out in advance so that delays don't happen. We were all blown away by the Sinestro Corps Special but every issue of a universe spanning crossover should be that expansive. I want my crossovers to actually feel like I'm watching and reading the superhero version of Tolkien.

[4thHorseman]

It just needs to be plotted and paced ahead of time.

Considering that Jones has read the script (for at least the first issue), has heard what the story is going to involve, and is already drawing pages for it, I think it's safe to assume it'll be just fine...

Unless Didio decides that something needs to be changed last minute

[Kage Kisaragi]

more than likely the writer has already scripted the half of it and has the rest of it planned out in his head, I wouldn't worry about it. The thing with me is, how final is final?

[rerun]

more than likely the writer has already scripted the half of it and has the rest of it planned out in his head, I wouldn't worry about it. The thing with me is, how final is final?

Don't worry "final" is not final. No need to even worry about it.

I think Grant has known for a while that he's writing this and probably has it spelled out very well. Heck he knows the first page and last page at least :)

[Maestro]

Yeah... look back at the IC #7 review thread and people's reactions

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=122304

[Choppa]

4 + 7 = 11

Just pointing that out.

Lol, that's what I meant: 5 issues ZH (0-4) + 7 issues IC = 12 overall!

[DonC]

Don't make it 7, who is with me??? Can you deny making Infinite Crisis a 7 issue series was a bad move since #7 had way too much and was obviously rushed and was a terrible comic.


You're right, this comic you know absolutely nothing about except the name of the writer and artist is going to be too long!


Wait, it was too short. Sorry.


But I'm with you, Spartacus!


ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!

[botch]

I want my crossovers to actually feel like I'm watching and reading the superhero version of Tolkien.

THIS MAN IS MY HERO!

That's exactly what I want, the biggest story ever but in the superhero verse. 9 oversized issues.

[botch]

You're right, this comic you know absolutely nothing about except the name of the writer and artist is going to be too long!


Wait, it was too short. Sorry.


But I'm with you, Spartacus!


ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!

I'm just going with how it backfired last time.

Regardless....

FOR SPARTA!!!!

[glennsim]

Did you not learn anything from Infinite Crisis? This is what I am complaining about, Final Crisis is coming up and it's 7 issues. Did you not learn that 7 Issues was not enough for Infinite Crisis? The result of which was the most rushed important comic in the history of comics(Infinite Crisis #7) which became the laughing stock of the Internet. Make it 9 Issues if you have to, we already know 7 is not enough when it comes to these Mega Events.

This is very important, everyone noticed that when Issue 5 came around that IC seemed off(#1-4 being brilliant, well paced comics) when 6 rolled around, people on this board and many others said (they are going to fit too much in 1 book, which ended up being true). Infinite Crisis 7 was an abomination, reading it now it should have been 4 more comics like World War 3.

Don't make it 7, who is with me??? Can you deny making Infinite Crisis a 7 issue series was a bad move since #7 had way too much and was obviously rushed and was a terrible comic.

Why do people address things directly to DC here? DC doesn't read these boards. Send them a letter.

[Phoney Bone]

The average story page-count for a DC comic is 22 pages. The story for a 12-issue series would be 264 pages.

The page-count for Final Crisis will be 44 pages. Seven issues makes a 308-page Grant Morrison story.

That is what DC is doing... and it is AWESOME!!!