View Full Version : Will I live long enough for a second WILDCATS issue???
probably not...
any one else disappointed/bored with this too?
The Scribe
08-01-2007, 08:56 PM
I'll say maybe.
Jim Lee should have stayed at Image, or at least sold the Wildstorm universe to Image. Instead of selling out and going to DC.
Generic Eric
08-01-2007, 09:23 PM
When did the first issue come out again?
vazel
08-01-2007, 09:24 PM
Haha, it's no longer up for subscription.
Who's mainly to blame again? Grant Morrison for his hectic schedule or is it Jim with his other duties at Wildstorm(video games, marketing)?
FunkyGreenJerusalem
08-02-2007, 12:38 AM
I'll say maybe.
Jim Lee should have stayed at Image, or at least sold the Wildstorm universe to Image. Instead of selling out and going to DC.
Image culdn't have brought the wildstorm universe - all they own is the 'i' symbol.
Ironically, he sold to DC so that he didn't have to run his own business and spend more time drawing!
(that and I'm sure there was some money involved).
DaveEB
08-02-2007, 08:33 AM
Who's mainly to blame again? Grant Morrison for his hectic schedule or is it Jim with his other duties at Wildstorm(video games, marketing)?
I'm going with "both."
Subotai
08-02-2007, 12:08 PM
I listened to Christos Gage's recent Word Balloon interview w/ John Siuntres. Siuntres asks him how PHD sales are and Gage says they're not where they'd like them to be (no kidding). Gage also mentions, not pinning blame, but mentions that the 'inconsistency:' of the core WS titles, Wildcats and Authority - how can I put this diplomatically? - didn't exactly help the other titles. Midnighter may be doing OK with the help of Ennis' cred at launch, but other worthy titles, eg Welcome to Tranquility, have suffered.
Goddamn shame. :(
The Scribe
08-02-2007, 06:35 PM
Image culdn't have brought the wildstorm universe - all they own is the 'i' symbol.
Ironically, he sold to DC so that he didn't have to run his own business and spend more time drawing!
(that and I'm sure there was some money involved).
Image most certainly could have bought all the Wildstorm properties, if Lee had offered them to Image. Instead he sold them to DC and we know what happened from there. :rolleyes:
Young Avenger
08-02-2007, 06:45 PM
Who's mainly to blame again? Grant Morrison for his hectic schedule or is it Jim with his other duties at Wildstorm(video games, marketing)?
Jim Lee took the blame for the lateness. Between drawing All-Star Batman, doing concept for the DC MMO and other duties. The guy overworked himself and is behind on lots of stuff.
Subotai
08-02-2007, 09:33 PM
Jim Lee took the blame for the lateness. Between drawing All-Star Batman, doing concept for the DC MMO and other duties. The guy overworked himself and is behind on lots of stuff.
Lee isn't doing Authority, though.
steve2275
08-02-2007, 09:34 PM
screw asbm
give it to the kuberts or sumone else
G. Boney
08-03-2007, 07:30 AM
Will I live long enough for a second WILDCATS issue???
Depends. Are you an Eternal, Asgardian, Guardian of the Universe, New God or someone who has taken a drink from the fountain of youth?
rerun
08-03-2007, 02:10 PM
The blame goes to Lee. For all that Grant's doing, only the Wildstorm stuff is really late. ASM was planned as bi-monthly.
The thing that irritates me the most about Jim Lee is he is effecting the sales of the other titles as well. He is on the flagship title and with it being so delayed there's slim chances for crossovers and continuity. I haven't read any of the titles so I'm assuming there's little mention of Wildcats in the other comics. I have to say he is a BIG JERK for jeopardizing his fellow writers and artists livelihood.
Generic Eric
08-03-2007, 02:36 PM
The thing that irritates me the most about Jim Lee is he is effecting the sales of the other titles as well. He is on the flagship title and with it being so delayed there's slim chances for crossovers and continuity. I haven't read any of the titles so I'm assuming there's little mention of Wildcats in the other comics. I have to say he is a BIG JERK for jeopardizing his fellow writers and artists livelihood.
it's kind of sad that the majority of Wildstorm fans only care about Wildcats and the Authority. Gail Simone and Christos Gage are doing great things with the comics thier working on. The fiasco with The Boys and Garth Ennis leaving Midnighter cannot be good for the longevity of the Wildstorm universe neither.
BizarroBeachHead
08-03-2007, 07:24 PM
Not that I don't think Lee deserves plenty of blame, but Morrison should be getting his fair share too.
He admitted that the DC stuff takes precedent over the Wildstorm stuff, which is why Authority and Wildcats are late.
And yes, it is affecting the sales of otherwise fine books such as Welcome to Tranquility and Stormwatch PHD.
RolandJP
08-08-2007, 07:48 PM
Our children will hear of this Wildcats 2 issue. And their children will read it.
The funny thing is, if you go to Jim Lee's Myspace page, there are pictures of him standing next to awesome sports cars he claims he doesnt own. winnk wink wink* but with the amount of cheddar hes making. . . I doubt he ever picks up a pen again, not in our lifetime.
Grizsly
08-09-2007, 07:48 AM
It doesn't suprise me in the least that Lee continues to dissappoint. The man is so obviously ahead of himself that his ego could fill up Void.
The most depressing aspect about this is that he's now focused on pumping out at least three (MAYBE four) issues of ASB&R for 2007, who's story is fairly droll. I guess he finally realized how embarrasing it was that one lonely issue came out in 2006.
There was more story in Morrison's WildCATS 1 than every published issue of All Star B&R, and then some.
Lee's a complete ASS.
brundlefly
08-09-2007, 08:27 AM
it's kind of sad that the majority of Wildstorm fans only care about Wildcats and the Authority. Gail Simone and Christos Gage are doing great things with the comics thier working on. The fiasco with The Boys and Garth Ennis leaving Midnighter cannot be good for the longevity of the Wildstorm universe neither.
I agree, as I didn't really care all that much about either 'Cats or Authority compared to Gage's new Stormwatch, Gail's Welcome to Tranquility, and Azz on Deathblow. I picked up Wildcats #1, but just wasn't as impressed with it as I was those other three books. And I skipped Authority altogether; I enjoyed Brubaker's resuscitation of that book with "Revolution," but I'm really kind of 'over' those characters for now and didn't care about yet another Authority relaunch, regardless of the creative team. So it is frustrating when all the Wildstorm hype/furor is over the delays of two books that I don't care much about while the other high-quality (and on-time) WS books get ignored and suffer sales-wise because of the bungling of those two titles. Not to say I wouldn't pick up 'Cats #2 if it ever comes out (I am fairly interested in where Morrison was going with it), but I'm not furiously up in arms over its delay since it was lower on my personal totem pole of anticipated WS relaunch books.
Ryan Day
08-09-2007, 09:54 AM
It doesn't suprise me in the least that Lee continues to dissappoint. The man is so obviously ahead of himself that his ego could fill up Void.
Oh, come one. I'm not much of a Jim Lee fan, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything the least bit unpleasant about him personally. By every account I've read, he's one of the nicest, most accommodating guys in the industry. Which, actually, might be the problem, since he apparently can't say no to a project.
He overcommited himself. If he didn't realize he had too much work on his plate, someone else should have. I haven't heard or read anything that suggests the book was delayed because Lee was being a diva or anything.
GRANT!
08-09-2007, 10:02 AM
It doesn't suprise me in the least that Lee continues to dissappoint. The man is so obviously ahead of himself that his ego could fill up Void.
The most depressing aspect about this is that he's now focused on pumping out at least three (MAYBE four) issues of ASB&R for 2007, who's story is fairly droll. I guess he finally realized how embarrasing it was that one lonely issue came out in 2006.
There was more story in Morrison's WildCATS 1 than every published issue of All Star B&R, and then some.
Lee's a complete ASS.
Miller had a few ASB&R scripts finished. Lee has said Morrison hasn't turned in a script for issue 2 of Wildcat. The guy can't draw the book without a script.
Stellar
08-10-2007, 04:57 PM
DC has Lee doing cover and promotional art for numerous DC titles. Clearly he's quite an asset and in a position to negotiate his own terms, just wish he'd use it more.
you might. but I wouldn't hold my breath. and there's a distinct possibility of you getting another #1 issue rather than a #2 issue. ;)
Aubergine~!
08-12-2007, 09:29 AM
You know who's fault this is? Whoever thought Lee could handle two titles at the same time.
Subotai
08-12-2007, 08:56 PM
Although the titles were staggered, IIRC. Both were bimonthly.
Now they're biannually, if we're lucky.
steve2275
08-13-2007, 04:24 AM
DC has Lee doing cover and promotional art for numerous DC titles. Clearly he's quit an asset and in a position to negotiate his own terms, just wish he'd use it more.
let the kuberts do that
Stellar
08-13-2007, 07:04 PM
You know who's fault this is? Whoever thought Lee could handle two titles at the same time.
That, and he should've just said no.
let the kuberts do that
As long as there's a good inker (Uncanny X-Men Kubert art was terribly cartoonish) that sounds like a good idea.
BizarroBeachHead
08-14-2007, 05:08 PM
I say again:
Morisson didn't turn in any scripts past the first issue of Wildcats and the second issue of Authority.
Lee may overcommit himself, but the "blame" here is largely on Morisson.
dancj
08-15-2007, 04:26 AM
As I understand it 52 turned out to be a much bigger job for Morrison that he initially understood and was given higher priority. The blame might be largely on Morrison or it might be on DC editorial for not giving Morrison the right impression in the first place.
Really we can only guess
Subotai
08-15-2007, 06:17 AM
The problem is, Morrison has continued to commit to other matters while the Wildstorm projects languish...Ah, well, that Wildstorm relaunch poster sure looked pretty.
Sentou Ryoku
08-15-2007, 11:38 AM
So whose fault is it now? Have there been other leaks of #2 aside from the cover?
Stellar
08-16-2007, 05:45 PM
'fraid not. WC #2 isn't even on the DC website anymore.
Oh well, just another book to clear off my pull.
Fatguy
08-18-2007, 02:48 PM
Oh well, just another book to clear off my pull.
It doesnt need your help, I do believe it has cleared itself ;)
Ronald Bryan
08-18-2007, 03:50 PM
Depends. Queen and Country was still on my pull list even though it was a year between issues.
adam_warlock_2099
08-24-2007, 08:55 AM
Well I was going to come here to Wildstorm forum to ask this exact question. But it seems that there is no news to be told.
So why I am adding a comment with no content? :)
Stellar
08-24-2007, 04:36 PM
You aspire to be Jim Lee?
adam_warlock_2099
08-24-2007, 08:44 PM
You aspire to be Jim Lee?
If that was for my comment . . . no, I aspire to be Jim Starlin.
GrifterWC
08-29-2007, 12:46 PM
The problem is, Morrison has continued to commit to other matters while the Wildstorm projects languish...Ah, well, that Wildstorm relaunch poster sure looked pretty.
Morrison does get some blame but you also have to blame DC (most likely Didio) for letting this title drop to the way side as it has. There's no other writer that can do this book until Morrison's free.
Chris Gage would do a bang up job on this title if given the chance.
The bigger mistake was cancelling Joe Casey's version.
Well.....All Star Batman & Robin # 8 has been listed as the end of the first arc. My theory is that ASB&R will go on hiatus to allow Jim Lee to get some Wildcats issues done.
the goddamn batman
08-29-2007, 02:07 PM
Well.....All Star Batman & Robin # 8 has been listed as the end of the first arc. My theory is that ASB&R will go on hiatus to allow Jim Lee to get some Wildcats issues done.
Jim can't draw what he doesn't have script for.;)
johnnystl34
08-29-2007, 04:46 PM
Screw the book...I quit.
Frank
08-30-2007, 12:25 AM
Morrison totally screwed up DC and Wildstorm with his lateness.
The Mirrorball Man
08-30-2007, 12:41 AM
Jim can't draw what he doesn't have script for.;)
Nonsense! That never stopped Jack Kirby!
Stellar
08-31-2007, 03:32 PM
The bigger mistake was cancelling Joe Casey's version.
Amen, brother.
Nonsense! That never stopped Jack Kirby!
Hah!
GRANT!
09-10-2007, 09:26 AM
The status of Wildcats #2? Lee: On hold for right now. Lee said that he’s been working on All-Star Batman & Robin, trying to get than on schedule. He did meet with Grant Morrison a week before San Diego, where, according to Lee, Morrison reiterated his enthusiasm for the series, and he still wants to do it. Currently, plans call for the collaboration to run for a minimum of six issues, but maybe as many as 12. Ideally, Lee wants to stockpile the issues, and not solicit it until there are multiple issues in the drawer, but when it came down to which project to work on, he had to chose between that and ASB&R, and ASB&R had more scripts in.
The rest of the article. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=128758)
Subotai
09-10-2007, 07:10 PM
Lee acknowledged that there have been a couple of missteps in the past year, but now, with new lead editor, Ben Abernathy, they are working with a number of different writers to get the core WSU titles back on track.
Well, that's big of him. If part of their plan is still yanking PHD, fuck 'em.
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