A return of the Hellfire Club?

[Dagger]

With Selene and Wither kicking it up in an ongoing subplot over in New X-Men(well, it's dropped for right now, but I'm assuming once the crossover's done with, hopefully it'll be picked back up) and the little bit of Sebastian Shaw over in X-Men: Endangered Species one-shot could this be an all new era for a revamped, and dangerous Hellfire Club???

Also, if this is, who would you like to see in the new Club? In a new, revamped Hellions?

Discuss!

[xmanson]

No idea.

The HC is a lost cause since the mid 80's, unfortunately.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Didnt claremont have plans for a hellfire club before whedon wanted to make some weird fantasy hellfire club


as i recall they sounded somewhat interesting

[xmanson]

Yeah, they were supposed to be the min NEX villains.

But we got the piece of comic art that was Torn...*vomits*

[Anna]

Didnt claremont have plans for a hellfire club before whedon wanted to make some weird fantasy hellfire club


as i recall they sounded somewhat interesting

Courtney Ross was the new White Queen, Viper worked for her. Shaw was calling the shots until Pierce injured him, at which point Sunspot was led to believe that he was in charge. Sage was supposed to be watching his back. Red Lotus was also a member.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Red Lotus kicks ass with his kung fu and cliched lines

"I am red lotus, you killed my grandfather. Prepare to die!"

[xmanson]

You know that line came from a famous kung fu movie, right?

:)

[Dagger]

Eh, I wasn't interested in either of their versions of the Hellfire Club. Viper? Srsly? Not interesting working for Courtney Ross. Courtney made an alright White Queen in that Hellfire Rising story, but what exactly are her powers? Being a lame snarky I'm trying way too hard biatch does not equal cool powers. Nor having Sunspot in charge with Sage guiding him. If we get Sunspot in the Hellfire Club, make him a villian like in that NM storyline with him and Magma running things right after the Mutant Massacre story.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Well yeah, every cliche starts somewhere


Red Lotus needs to be on a x-team. He can make martial arts characters awesome again. None of this gambit bullet catching business.

Just red lotus punching peoples balls off

[Dagger]

Well yeah, every cliche starts somewhere


Red Lotus needs to be on a x-team. He can make martial arts characters awesome again. None of this gambit bullet catching business.

Just red lotus punching peoples balls off
Iron Fist is making kung-fu interesting again. Besides, if we need an awesome-I-have-no-powers-other-than-my-kung-fu characters, we have Shang Chi for that!

EDIT: LOL! 2 people think Dagg has a righteous boo-tay! LOL!!!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yeah but iron fist is green


Red Lotus is red

and asian

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/TheHuzzah/091401xtreme5c.jpg

Fear the awesome.

[_Jayme_]

I found is kind of suspicious of Sebastian Shaw telling Xavier to give his regards to Emma in the Endangered Species one shot and then no further mention of it. Just kind of fishy to me..If the Hellfire Club returns, I'd like Selene and Sebastian to return..maybe have some people like Collective Man or hell..I'd even like to see Kiden Nixon return since we never got much of her.

[Gene M.]

Yeah but iron fist is green


Red Lotus is red

and asian

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/TheHuzzah/091401xtreme5c.jpg

Fear the awesome.
Sorry, but he has a stupid tattoo. Immediate disqualification from the Potentially Interesting Characters Club.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Id personally make Emma the leader of the hellfire club

not totally evil, per se. Just very murky grey area stuff


It would give the Club some umph behind it and some draw

[Dagger]

Sorry, but he has a stupid tattoo. Immediate disqualification from the Potentially Interesting Characters Club.
Plus the shaved sides, but the top is long hair cut is sooo 1990's! Another strike against him!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I found is kind of suspicious of Sebastian Shaw telling Xavier to give his regards to Emma in the Endangered Species one shot and then no further mention of it.

Frankly, I think Shaw just wanted to say *something* at that point. "See you around, old man" just doesn't have the same ring, eh.

Then there's also the hypocritical 'civility/you're no better than me' angle Shaw seemed to be going for, I suppose. Regards, civility. Wouldn't read much into it.

Oh, and MAYBE. The last legit Hellfire arc kinda sucked, so I can't say I'm really thrilled. That, and the whole cowardly shadow puppeteer just might lose some of its appeal after MC. And yes, that's me having a thing for balls-to-the-walls villains.

[Labman]

I think that a new hellfire club could be awesome, or just a flop. Regardless, Dagger does have a pretty nice boo-tay.

[Monty_Cristo]

they've drifted too far from their origin (when sebastian came to power). i think they need to be portrayed as legitimate businesspeople, financiers, moguls, etc who are also pool their resources to steer world events (and not necessarily in an 'evil' fashion). i think that direct confrontation with the X-Men should be kept to a minimum, so that they come off as masterminds, instead of run-of-the-mill mutant thugs. Shaw should definately be around. i think they should slowly work Emma back in as White Queen. Dacosta should have Rook or Bishop rank, at best. most importantly, i think that each member of the Inner Circle should have their own base of power (political or financial); not just be a powerful mutant or demon.

[ToxicTeen]

I love to see a new Hellfire Club though I wonder which title will they appear in?(My money's one New X-Men ;) )

[Dagger]

I also think we should keep the 'Shadow King/Elias Bogan is the one who is the true mastermind behind the Hellfire Club and the Nazi's and everything that is bad in the world!!!!!' completely away from this incarnation. Make them a much more formidable force! Also, involve stuff with them, and the rest of the M.U. Being conglomorates, I wanna see them butt heads with people like Iron Man, Iron Fist, the Taylor Foundation and so on!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

sure the goofy tat and hair work against him, but he's like the civil rights movement: He shall overcome

and he dresses like a dandy

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I also think we should keep the 'Shadow King/Elias Bogan is the one who is the true mastermind behind the Hellfire Club and the Nazi's and everything that is bad in the world!!!!!' completely away from this incarnation. Make them a much more formidable force! Also, involve stuff with them, and the rest of the M.U. Being conglomorates, I wanna see them butt heads with people like Iron Man, Iron Fist, the Taylor Foundation and so on!

I thought Romulus was behind all evil in the world


Or Sublime.

Or that which endures (was that what that avengers sublime was called?)

Or.....


No matter how many times they do it, its always lame

[Dagger]

I thought Romulus was behind all evil in the world


Or Sublime.

Or that which endures (was that what that avengers sublime was called?)

Or.....


No matter how many times they do it, its always lame
I haven't read about Romulus, other than the guy who named Rome, but he does have a cool name.

Didn't care for Sublime, but That which endures was pretty awesome!

Also, Iron Fist was red for a minute. Iron Fist>>>>>>>Red Lotus
http://www.taskmastersite.com/Images/IronFist2.jpg

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Iron Fist is like a reverse twinkie

Bet he has a tattoo of like some kanji or something that he thinks means honor but actually means sushi surprise


I can tell

Although i will admit that Iron Fist, too, dresses like a dandy

[Faded]

Just being honest(!!! sorry <3), I don't really want to see them back at all.

[HellFrost]

I think it's time the HellFire Club split into 2 groups. I think that Sebastian needs to recreate an evil Lords Cardinal and Roberto assemble his own. Two Inner Circles battling for power would be so interesting, I think.

Shaw's Inner Circle:

Sebastian as Black King, Selene as Black Queen, and Wither as her... I guess Black "Warrior" Knight:rolleyes: as the main focus.

DaCosta's Inner Circle:

Roberto as the Black King(something extra for him and Shaw to fight over), Emma reclaiming her role as the White Queen, I can't believe I'm saying this but... Rachel to take up the White Warrior Princess spot again, and maybe Sage, just to see her get some major revenge on Shaw and to see her back in her roots.

[claimtosubclaim]

I love to see a new Hellfire Club though I wonder which title will they appear in?(My money's one New X-Men ;) )

Carey did state that he had some ideas for Sunspot, Shaw and the Hellfire Club; probably to resolve that whole DaCosta as Lord Imperial hanging plotline, so maybe Adjectiveless.

[Mephistologist]

I could see some crazy stuff happening, like Wither and Selene both over throwing Shaw and Kevin becoming the Black King with Selene as the Queen. And that would be a great way to get the X-Men's attention and leave them completely stunned since they still have yet to find out about what happened to Wither.

[Schuimend Mormel]

God I love Gene Marsh's Simpsons avatar. I love it so much.

Just had to get that off my chest.

they've drifted too far from their origin (when sebastian came to power). i think they need to be portrayed as legitimate businesspeople, financiers, moguls, etc who are also pool their resources to steer world events (and not necessarily in an 'evil' fashion). i think that direct confrontation with the X-Men should be kept to a minimum, so that they come off as masterminds, instead of run-of-the-mill mutant thugs. Shaw should definately be around. i think they should slowly work Emma back in as White Queen. Dacosta should have Rook or Bishop rank, at best. most importantly, i think that each member of the Inner Circle should have their own base of power (political or financial); not just be a powerful mutant or demon.

Exactly. The Hellfire Club aren't bruisers after all. Their muscle is basically the masked soldiers they've got working for them. Throwing in some young blood wouldn't be a bother, either. I would imagine that after all the years since the X-Men first met the Club, new younger mutants have used their powers to build imperiums or to gather vast amounts of money.

I think it's time the HellFire Club split into 2 groups. I think that Sebastian needs to recreate an evil Lords Cardinal and Roberto assemble his own. Two Inner Circles battling for power would be so interesting, I think.

Shaw's Inner Circle:

Sebastian as Black King, Selene as Black Queen, and Wither as her... I guess Black "Warrior" Knight:rolleyes: as the main focus.

DaCosta's Inner Circle:

Roberto as the Black King(something extra for him and Shaw to fight over), Emma reclaiming her role as the White Queen, I can't believe I'm saying this but... Rachel to take up the White Warrior Princess spot again, and maybe Sage, just to see her get some major revenge on Shaw and to see her back in her roots.

Dunno... I mean, internal conflict in the Hellfire Club, I'm all for that, but... Roberto surrounding himself with people who are basically all X-Men would perhaps give him too snug a position. I'd like to see him ally himself with wealthy young mutants who may or may not be a little bit dodgy... People he'll be kinda forced to work with in his quest to use the Hellfire Club for good instead of evil.

[DDM]

Eh, I wasn't interested in either of their versions of the Hellfire Club. Viper? Srsly? Not interesting working for Courtney Ross. Courtney made an alright White Queen in that Hellfire Rising story, but what exactly are her powers? Being a lame snarky I'm trying way too hard biatch does not equal cool powers. Nor having Sunspot in charge with Sage guiding him. If we get Sunspot in the Hellfire Club, make him a villian like in that NM storyline with him and Magma running things right after the Mutant Massacre story.


Chris Claremont was revamping the Hellfire Club with the following members:


Elias Bogan (Lord Imperial)
Courtney Ross (aka Sat-Yr-9), the White Queen
Viper, the White Princess
Selene, the Black Queen


Sunspot took over the Lord Imperial role from Sebastian Shaw under Sage's guidance; however, it is not clear she could prevent Roberto from being corrupted as Sebastian had been corrupted by the Hellfire Club.

Sat-Yr-9 has no true powers, but she has the ability to take control of people with weak minds. One does not have to be a mutant or have powers to be in the Hellfire Club. Sat-Yr-9's madness combined with her brilliant mind makes her dangerous.

Unfortunately, the Hellfire Club subplot was cut for Whedon's false Hellfire Club. :rolleyes:

Dumb editors. Doormats more than anything.

[Karl H]

Dumb editors. Doormats more than anything.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42053000/jpg/_42053546_editors_getty.jpg

yup, they're to blame for all the evil in the world

[DDM]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42053000/jpg/_42053546_editors_getty.jpg

yup, they're to blame for all the evil in the world

Not evil. Just apathy & unable to be consistent from book to book. It's like asking a child to swim in the deep end of the pool when he does not know how to swim at all.

[Mitteloss]

I don't want the Hellfire Club back, as villains at least. I'm getting a bit sick of them to be honest.

Emma's with the X-Men, Tessa became Sage, Selene is off with Wither and clearly has her own plans. Even Shaw is no longer that much of a villain, rather more neutral. Everyone's doing their own thing.

It would take alot to pull off a return of the Hellfire Club.

[Anna]

I don't want the Hellfire Club back, as villains at least. I'm getting a bit sick of them to be honest.

Emma's with the X-Men, Tessa became Sage, Selene is off with Wither and clearly has her own plans. Even Shaw is no longer that much of a villain, rather more neutral. Everyone's doing their own thing.

It would take alot to pull off a return of the Hellfire Club.



There's that remark from Shaw about his interest in Sunspot's leadership....

[Hi-Fi]

I just want to see Roberto away from it and back to an X-Team.

[dotdotdot]

Dumb editors. Doormats more than anything.

along the same lines: dumb writers. awful ideas in the first place. thank god they have an editor.

[Red Lotus]

You know that line came from a famous kung fu movie, right?

:)

It worked better in The Princess Bride.

] Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die.

[brundlefly]

I found is kind of suspicious of Sebastian Shaw telling Xavier to give his regards to Emma in the Endangered Species one shot and then no further mention of it. Just kind of fishy to me..If the Hellfire Club returns, I'd like Selene and Sebastian to return..maybe have some people like Collective Man or hell..I'd even like to see Kiden Nixon return since we never got much of her.

I took Shaw's appearance in ES as Carey's foreshadowing of an HFC return, hopefully based around Shaw and Selene along with a mix of old and new members to round out the Inner Circle. Preferably, there'll be a wrap-up to the loose ends of Sunspot's "Lord Imperial" status and Sage's involvement (I'd like to see Shaw get some long-overdue revenge on her, and Sunspot can be sent over to one of the other X-Teams) and the reestablished HFC can get back to their scheming ways, eventually leading to a confrontation with Xavier and the X-Men. One can assume that attempting to tempt Emma back into their fold would be one of their intentions, but since Whedon's fake Hellfire Club already teased the "Emma is still working with the HFC" bit, that would be kind of repetitive/redundant. Does Shaw's company still build Sentinels? If he has some connection to/influence over the ONE Sentinels stationed outside the X-mansion, that could be pretty interesting (which would be a first for the "ONE Sentinels-at-the-mansion" concept).

[Monty_Cristo]

I just want to see Roberto away from it and back to an X-Team.

agreed. i could never take him seriously as a businessman/inner circle member. he just comes off as too young and inexperienced. it wasn't long ago that he was just roadtripping around with X-Force; getting drunk and boinking Meltdown on the sly. i think it's a case of the son trying desperately to follow in the father's footsteps.

[DDM]

There's that remark from Shaw about his interest in Sunspot's leadership....

The whole point of having Emmanuel DaCosta join the Inner Circle is to have his son, Sunspot, "groomed" when he inherits the membership. It also helps given Emmanuel DaCosta stood behind several of Sebastian Shaw's ideas as well. Shaw was thinking long term when Emmanuel joined the Hellfire Club.

[Monty_Cristo]

The whole point of having Emmanuel DaCosta join the Inner Circle is to have his son, Sunspot, "groomed" when he inherits the membership. It also helps given Emmanuel DaCosta stood behind several of Sebastian Shaw's ideas as well. Shaw was thinking long term when Emmanuel joined the Hellfire Club.

yeah, that he needed another 'yes man' who was no physical threat to himself or his leadership. kind of silly to use Emmanuel since the latter had very little contact with his son. Roberto's 'grooming' came from the X-Institute and Gideon.

[DDM]

yeah, that he needed another 'yes man' who was no physical threat to himself or his leadership. kind of silly to use Emmanuel since the latter had very little contact with his son. Roberto's 'grooming' came from the X-Institute and Gideon.

The White Queen & Black Queen sometimes worked against Sebstian Shaw. Selene most of all. Sebastian was playing chess with real people (as was Emma & Selene).

[Dagger]

The White Queen & Black Queen sometimes worked against Sebstian Shaw. Selene most of all. Sebastian was playing chess with real people (as was Emma & Selene).
What does that have to do with Roberto's grooming? Why use his father, who he hardly ever talks to, to groom him into becoming one of his pawns for the hellfire club?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

What does that have to do with Roberto's grooming? Why use his father, who he hardly ever talks to, to groom him into becoming one of his pawns for the hellfire club?

Obviously because Red Lotus was unavailable

[Dagger]

Obviously because Red Lotus was unavailable
ZING!! LOLOL. They could always get Thais and Thaiis:p

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Vargas goons cant punch people in the taint as well as Red Lotus

[xmanson]

What does that have to do with Roberto's grooming? Why use his father, who he hardly ever talks to, to groom him into becoming one of his pawns for the hellfire club?


His father is dead, IIRC. In one of the last New Mutant issues. Killed by Gideon.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I found is kind of suspicious of Sebastian Shaw telling Xavier to give his regards to Emma in the Endangered Species one shot and then no further mention of it. Just kind of fishy to me..If the Hellfire Club returns, I'd like Selene and Sebastian to return..maybe have some people like Collective Man or hell..I'd even like to see Kiden Nixon return since we never got much of her.

It might've been viable IF we didn't just see them in Astonishing. I think if the Hellfire Club showed up people would be confused and think "is it another one of Emma's guilt ridden illusions?" and Had it been anyone other than Xavier...Scott/Wolverine the writers would've been chastized for not making a connection/bringing it up.

It'll take a lot of time or a lot of "we aren't an illusion" to keep them seperate.


I think AFTER Messiah i'd love to see a story with Selene/wither vs. Emma and the New Xmen crew....definatley give Selene some other power players or have her create an illusion of Emma's dead students (looking dead)

[Dagger]

His father is dead, IIRC. In one of the last New Mutant issues. Killed by Gideon.
Yeah, I know. I have that issue. I was asking how was having Emmanuel in the Hellfire Club grooming him(Berto) to take over the Hellfire Club when he didn't have much of a relationship to begin with with Berto.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yeah, I know. I have that issue. I was asking how was having Emmanuel in the Hellfire Club grooming him(Berto) to take over the Hellfire Club when he didn't have much of a relationship to begin with with Berto.

Emmanuel...

dammit, now im going to have that Emmanuelle in Space theme song stuck in my head all day.




Not to only post off topic so


I like the idea of the hellfire club, a bunch of powerful WASPs getting together to have women in stilettos stomp on their testicles

and something about world domination and evil, but mostly the testicle bit

I think it could be interesting, but i would almost say take it away from mutants in the sense that it should just people who wield power in a more figurative way.

Like Senator kelly, before he went good and got shot

or that graydon creed fella



I say keep shaw as the only mutant, or lose him and get Emma, and then fill the rest of the spots with human characters


If a writer is really creative he could probably even get John Sublime in there

John Sublime = great

Sublime = the boring maxi

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

WASPs aren't into S&M....they're into alcohol

Catholics are into S&M it's what seperates the Irish, whether to weather to wear leather cuffs or not to

[Hi-Fi]

agreed. i could never take him seriously as a businessman/inner circle member. he just comes off as too young and inexperienced. it wasn't long ago that he was just roadtripping around with X-Force; getting drunk and boinking Meltdown on the sly. i think it's a case of the son trying desperately to follow in the father's footsteps.
Plus the Hellfire Club killed his girlfriend. Why on Earth would he be working for them?

Oh, Claremont.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

WASPs aren't into S&M....they're into alcohol

Catholics are into S&M it's what seperates the Irish, whether to weather to wear leather cuffs or not to

No Wasps are in to S&M because WASPs have all the power


Fortune 500 guys get off on being treated like dirt because thats what they do

There isnt a janitor in existence who's into being degraded sexually. He gets degraded in real life 24.7

[DDM]

What does that have to do with Roberto's grooming? Why use his father, who he hardly ever talks to, to groom him into becoming one of his pawns for the hellfire club?

Roberto has a contentious relationship with his father, but he did have a relationship nonetheless. Furthermore, when Magneto became the Hellfire Club's White King, the New Mutants might fall under the influence of the Hellfire Club instead of Xavier's way.

Emmanuel was essentially Sebastian's pawn. One of the reasons is for Sebastian Shaw & the Hellfire Club to corrupt Roberto DaCosta as his father was corrupted.

[Novaya Havoc]

I just hate the name "Hellfire Club." It's just, er, no. Get them a new moniker, then maaaaaaybe.

You know, like how "K Mart" became the "Big K." Just call them "Mutant Elitists R Us" or something.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I just hate the name "Hellfire Club." It's just, er, no. Get them a new moniker, then maaaaaaybe.

You know, like how "K Mart" became the "Big K." Just call them "Mutant Elitists R Us" or something.

It was the name of an NYC S&M club.


And it can't be THAT great of a club if Sage betrayed them and yet still works for them and then you have not-so-threatening members like Viper and Courtney Ross. It's apparently not THAT exclusive or rich anymore.

[ddqfpluskick]

Eh...it would be interesting to see how a club bent on mutant domination was affected by M-Day.

Hellfire clubs actions make sense with Sage. I mean the inner circle is run by personaility supported by bylaws. If one wanted to they could simply ignore the written rule. The club doesn't alwasy have superpowerful members either.

And it was named after an exclusive English club that ran from 1746-1760. Hence all the outdated clothing originally.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Hellfire club is a great name. Sounds sort of childish, but also sort of dirty.

[Dagger]

Hellfire club is a great name. Sounds sort of childish, but also sort of dirty.
Yeah, I've always had a fondness for them. Especially when Selene became part of the inner circle. The name does have a certain ring to it. Plus, I'm really interested in who they are going to get to fill out their ranks. I'd love to see Sebastian and Shinobi in this, and see how Shinobi reacts with his father lording over him.

[JBKWaka]

I really liked the Lords Cardinal and Selene's Helfire though

[rZi]

I got totaly hyped up when they appeared in Astonishing...it's obvious from my avatar and signature that i like that hellfire club and thought we had great stories to come...but i wasn't too pissed that it was purly emma.

[Dagger]

I got totaly hyped up when they appeared in Astonishing...it's obvious from my avatar and signature that i like that hellfire club and thought we had great stories to come...but i wasn't too pissed that it was purly emma.
Me too. I was totally loving that arc, even though I didn't care for who ended up being in 'Emma's head' for the line-up, I was really disappointed in how it just fizzled out flatly in the end.

[We R. Venom]

I think it depends on the meaning of "NEW," but yes hellfire would be great. Shaw is always great. Love to see more of him.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Panasonic Teenage Blackhead was the worst hellfire club "member" ever


She was even worse than that fat guy

[Dagger]

Panasonic Teenage Blackhead was the worst hellfire club "member" ever


She was even worse than that fat guy
Harry Leland was awesome! He was the teets even!