Who should be in Ellis' lineup?

[jarrod]

Feel free to write in any other nominations (damn 10 option limit).

[Cayman]

Ellis should keep a core of Emma, Scott, Armor, and Logan, plus he could restore interest in Nightcrawler. I'd like to see him add Hellion to the team.

[Karl H]

Nightcrawler
Ororo
Collosus
Siryn (in lieu of Banshee)
Cyclops
Emma
Hellion

[Karl H]

Ellis should keep a core of Emma, Scott, Armor, and Logan, plus he could restore interest in Nightcrawler. I'd like to see him add Hellion to the team.

Great minds Cay!!!!!!

[Joe Rice]

Answer 1 (True answer): Doesn't matter, it's the stories that matter.
Answer 2 (practical answer): Whichever he wants, so he can tell the stories he wants.
Answer 3 (nerd answer): That said, I'd love to see:

Scott, Emma, Bobby, Logan, Fantomex, and Quentin.

[Cayman]

...Fantomex, and Quentin.

I am strangely aroused right now.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Break up Emma and Scott and one can stay, but taht relationships ran its course

keep them together and away with them!

[Omega Alpha]

Anyone on this list but Xavier and Storm is fine. That said, i would like to see Cyke, Emma, Kitty, Archangel and Meltdown on full Nextwave characterization with either Beast or Iceman. That said, let him choose the team he wants.

[Flâneur]

The core of the astonishing team but with Nightcrawler and Angel rolled into it, though I could go with Bishop instead of Angel since I feel that Ellis would play the special agent angle well.

[Mitsaso]

Squirrel Girl
Tippy Toe
Iceman
Emma Frost
Cyclops
Molly Hayes
Wolverine
Beast

Tippy Toe as team leader!

[Joe Rice]

I am strangely aroused right now.

Heh, and maybe Hank because I haven't seen anyone do him interestingly since Morrison.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

He needs to get a good lineup of character he can write well and really is comfortable with


Characters are vastly more important than any story

[Jack Flash]

I am strangely aroused right now.

me too!

More Quentin please.

My team
Kitty
Piotr
Karma
Moonstar
Cannonballz
Magik
Omega Sentinel
Kid Omega

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Squirrel Girl
Tippy Toe
Iceman
Emma Frost
Cyclops
Molly Hayes
Wolverine
Beast

Tippy Toe as team leader!

^
l
l
Winner

[Karl H]

Characters are vastly more important than any story

you're such a Whedonite :p

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

you're such a Whedonite :p

nah
Kitty and Colossus keeps me from liking his work


Gerbil people dont help

[twilight]

Match.

You know you love him.

[Cayman]

I think he should introduce a love story between Sabertooth's severed head and Martha Johannson.

[Flight]

Jack Flash ticked them all??!?!?

[Brian M.]

Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Pixie and Dazzler.

[HellFrost]

I'd like to see:

Emma
Scott or Alex
Beast
Iceman
Northstar & Aurora

A team sort of resembling the original 5.

[DDM]

I think Astonishing X-Men should be cancelled & have the various members--Colossus, Shadowcat, Cyclops, Emma Frost, & Wolverine--disperse in Uncanny X-Men & X-Men.

[Brian M.]

I think Astonishing X-Men should be cancelled & have the various members--Colossus, Shadowcat, Cyclops, Emma Frost, & Wolverine--disperse in Uncanny X-Men & X-Men.

That wasn't the question. Way to participate constructively in this thread.

[Kingrambo912]

I like the team the way it is right now basically, although I have always felt that if anyone else should be added it should be Angel... I also like the idea of Fantomex

[Red Lotus]

Cyclops:
Wolverine:
Colossus:
Storm: I don't like Storm, but I would want her on this team.
Beast:
Emma:
Nightcrawler
Angel

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

no one should like the idea of Fantomex

[Joe Rice]

no one should like the idea of Fantomex

Diabolik is awesome. Parodying the 90s can be awesome. Fantomex is awesome.

[Hi-Fi]

I love Diabolik as well. I even like the animated series!

[DaeJi]

I would like to see Magma back; she has such a heart-breaking experience when M-Day happened that I would like to see her come to terms with that, maybe find out that Wanda is responible and want revenge.

[streator]

beast
emma frost
wolverine
cyclops
shadowcat
kitty pryde
armor
nightcrawler

so, the same team plus kurt. if someone from the current astonishing team had to go, i'd like it to be beast probably.

[kate-pryde]

What I would prefer is that Ellis deal with a team of malcontents that are upset with whatever the results of the Messiah Complex, rather than the core X-Men. It would be better suited for him to take some C and D list characters and do something interesting and unique with them, rather than having the core X-Men.

From what Axel and other editors have said, the X-Men are going to be structured like an army and Scott steps up as a leader. If Astonishing remains as the center book with the top X-Men, that makes it the command staff. That doesn't seem the right type of cast for Ellis to be dealing with. Ellis seems like the type of writer who would be best suited to write the disgruntled group who dislikes what's going on and rebels against the new status quo.

[Omega Alpha]

no one should like the idea of Fantomex

Fantomex>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Corsair.:p

[mattbib]

Cyclops
Emma Frost
Beast
Archangel
Iceman
Armor
Karma
Magma

Send Wolverine to X-Men or Uncanny.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Diabolik is awesome. Parodying the 90s can be awesome. Fantomex is awesome.

From my limited exposure to Diabolik, the movie Danger Diabolik, i'd say he wasnt awesome

plus even if he was, Fantomex is terrible because his mutant power is to have a thing, which is lame

[Joe Rice]

From my limited exposure to Diabolik, the movie Danger Diabolik, i'd say he wasnt awesome

plus even if he was, Fantomex is terrible because his mutant power is to have a thing, which is lame

You have really bad taste.

[HellFrost]

I hated Fantomex but loved his concept. It just wasn't done amazingly imo.

[DaeJi]

You have really bad taste.

Way to mock someone's opinion.

I don't like Fantomex much either, but he can be used for a decent guest-spot. I think it'll be too much though to actually put him on a team.

[Joe Rice]

Way to mock someone's opinion.

I don't like Fantomex much either, but he can be used for a decent guest-spot. I think it'll be too much though to actually put him on a team.

That wasn't mocking. I'm very good at mocking. That was a simple statement of disapproval.

Duh.

[Jack Book]

From my limited exposure to Diabolik, the movie Danger Diabolik, i'd say he wasnt awesome

plus even if he was, Fantomex is terrible because his mutant power is to have a thing, which is lame

But it's an awesome thing.


Ellis should have whoever he wants on his team, and then mock them all nonstop.

[jarrod]

If I had to streamline it down to 6 core cast...

Xaiver
Emma
Logan
Kurt
Kitty
Tab

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

You have really bad taste.

Crazy talk


That movie was awful

Mst3k awful to be precise

Plus Fantomex looked like a 6 foot tall tampon


Only good thing to come out of Diabolik is taht Mst3k episode, and the body movin' music video from the beastie boys


so it is written, so it shall be

[CmX]

Cyclops
Emma Frost
Beast
Wolverine
Armor
Psylocke

[jarrod]

Betsy might work well in the team actually, and Ellis handheld her great during Days of Future Tense... but if Claremont lets her go, I think I'd rather see Cornell or Carey nab her.

[CmX]

Betsy might work well in the team actually, and Ellis handheld her great during Days of Future Tense... but if Claremont lets her go, I think I'd rather see Cornell or Carey nab her.

Between, Cornell & Carey although I adore both I'd much rather see her with Carey only cause I'd like her back with the x-teams, then continue being on a second tier x-book.

[brundlefly]

Diabolik is awesome. Parodying the 90s can be awesome.

Agreed on the first two.


Fantomex is awesome.

But a trenchcoated, slo-mo backflipping, twin-pistol wielding Matrix knockoff is not "awesome."

[MasterOdin]

I voted for Cyke, Emma, and Nightcrawler. The one thing that I am a little concerned about is whether or not Ellis pitched ideas for the series or if Marvel just asked him to do it. I always liked the fact that Morrison pitched this grand storyline before things got started. With MC still to play out, I wonder how much has really been settled with the rosters.

[Fede]

As much as i love emma, i don't like waiting for each issue 4 months or so, so i wouldn't keep her. I'm also tired of her relationship with cyclops, and her rivalry with kitty-brat. That way others writers can use Emma.
I would keep Beast, Cyclops and Logan.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I voted for Kitty Pryde

Really with the exception of Storm and beast you could kill the rest of those people and there would be no big loss

[jarrod]

Between, Cornell & Carey although I adore both I'd much rather see her with Carey only cause I'd like her back with the x-teams, then continue being on a second tier x-book.
With Carey she'd be on a higher profile book, but with Cornell she's more likely to have a more central leading role imo. I'd really be happy either way though, just get her outta Exiles.


I voted for Kitty Pryde

Really with the exception of Storm and beast you could kill the rest of those people and there would be no big loss
Nightcrawler >>> Corsair >>> Fantomex

[Elias Bogan]

Re-constitute the GSX/Claremont/Cockrum team with a few subs:

Cyclops
Wolverine
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Storm
Warpath (in place of Thunderbird)
Emma Frost (in place of Phoenix)
Siryn (in place of Banshee)
Professor X

Send Shadowcat to NEX under Cornell, cancel Adjectiveless, move Carey to Uncanny and give him the rest: Rogue, Cannonball, Iceman, Angel, etc.

[Mitteloss]

Cyclops
Emma Frost
Wolverine
Armour
Beast
Angel

[Maestro]

Wolverine
Cyclops
Emma Frost
Kitty Pryde
Beast
Fantomex

Speaking of which, I love Fantomex. I want more of him

[jarrod]

Wait, wait! I've revised my dream lineup...

Emma Frost
Storm
Psylocke
Sage
Mystique
Dazzler
Ghost of Moria MacTaggert
Hellion, as the pool boy


....make it happen Ellis!

[CmX]

Wait, wait! I've revised my dream lineup...

Emma Frost
Storm
Psylocke
Sage
Mystique
Dazzler
Ghost of Moria MacTaggert
Hellion, as the pool boy


....make it happen Ellis!

Claremont is that you?

[jarrod]

Claremont is that you?
Also, let Larocca design the outfits. :D

[Beast]

Claremont is that you?
Don't insult Claremont by confusing him for Jarrod. ;)

[Joe Rice]

Don't insult Claremont by confusing him for Jarrod. ;)

Besides, Claremont wouldn't bother with a pool boy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, wait! I've revised my dream lineup...

Emma Frost
Storm
Psylocke
Sage
Mystique
Dazzler
Ghost of Moria MacTaggert
Hellion, as the pool boy


....make it happen Ellis!

Hellion's thrown in there just so there can be an actual reason to call the book X-MEN, right? :D

And, awww, someone beat me to the Claremont joke.

[jarrod]

Hellion's thrown in there just so there can be an actual reason to call the book X-MEN, right? :D
I was thinking more he'd be the epicenter of the MILF gangbag. :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And he just so happens to have telekinesis as a power, eh?

Good God, you ARE Claremont. :D

[Alex A Sanchez]

Since I have no plans at the moment to read this title, I voted for any character that I don't have much interest in. Those would include:

Emma
Beast
Psylock
Xavier
Storm
Wolverine
Colossus
Kitty (since I have never read anything with her before)

I would have included Warpath on this list, but I actually am enjoying him in the two issue of Uncannny I picked up for the Endangered Species crossover. I like that he is still running around in Thunderbird's old threads.

[DDM]

Beak
Angel (black girl)
Firestar
Justice
Irving Forbush

[Monty_Cristo]

Shortpack .......................

[_Jayme_]

Emma Frost, Cyclops, Wolverine, Angel, Iceman, Husk and Storm...Or replace Husk with Shadowcat. I have a feeling Colossus won't be coming back.

[Bulky Brent]

Emma Frost, Cyclops, Wolverine, Angel, Iceman, Husk and Storm...Or replace Husk with Shadowcat. I have a feeling Colossus won't be coming back.
This would be a great lineup except for Angel and Husk them becoming an item was the most absurd thing ever turning Angel into a Pedophile no matter what feelings they had for each other this was just wrong and I definitely do not want to see more of that crap ever :mad: ...

[Porcelain]

If he doesn't take Emma, love to see him handle Psylocke.

Wolfsbane possibly, slightly more grrrr Cyclops would be good too (anal retentive + Ellis = gold) sans relationship plots if possible.

He could also be the one to rescue Gambit & Wolverine from cliché hell - one or the other though, not both.

Val Cooper must guest.


Alternatively bring back punk Storm, add Chamber & Northstar plus a random bunch of misfits.


________________

Interesting whether he goes Morrison Extreme/Whedon character portraits/X-Factor chemistry. Is it gonna be hyper-real/surrealism, Uber-Bombastic/Angsty Understatment?

Ooooh Ellis Mojoverse - I wish. Need to stop rambling now....

[The Horhey]

Cyclops (leader/long distance damage dealer)
Emma Frost (support/status effect dealer)
Wolverine (front line damage dealer/tank)
Storm (long distance damage dealer)
Bishop (long distance damage dealer)
Colossus (front line damage dealer/tank)

This would be the most effective roster IMO. Yea, I play alot of RPG's (VIDEO GAMES!)

[Diablito]

Armor
Wolverine
Cyclops
White Queen
Shadowcat
Lockheed
Fantomex

Joe Momma.

[Babylon23]

I voted Kitty and Kurt. Other than that, I really don't care who he has on his team. I wouldn't mind seeing Emma Frost disappear into limbo though.

[Faded]

My team:

Cyclops
Emma Frost
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Hellion (excellent suggestion, Cay!)
Beast
Storm
Armor

Supporting Cast: Elixir

all characters I think could use a good kick in the ass.

I'd put Nightcrawler here if not in Carey's X-Men alongside Rogue.

[Brian M.]

How ya gonna do Cyke and Storm? Who takes the lead? I mean I know who I'd easily pick hands down, but still.

[rwsmith]

Wolverine takes the lead, of course.;)

[Gene M.]

Eh. I like the team that's already in Astonishing. Just let Ellis have them.

[Brian M.]

Wolverine takes the lead, of course.;)

This is Astonishing not West Coast Lupine Mighty Avengers.

[Faded]

How ya gonna do Cyke and Storm? Who takes the lead? I mean I know who I'd easily pick hands down, but still.

Armor. Obviously.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Antoinio Bandereas will take the lead

jez people


its right there!

[Gene M.]

This is Astonishing not West Coast Lupine Mighty Avengers.
That would be the best comic I'd never buy a single copy of. Because I'd buy ten of each issue.

[Faded]

Antoinio Bandereas will take the lead

jez people


its right there!

Not unless he...Steps Up.

You're not the only one who can say something random, Ashby!

[Faded]

Beak
Angel (black girl)
Firestar
Justice
Irving Forbush

She prefers to be called Angel IV!

[Faded]

I enjoy italics.

[Wind-Breaker]

My picks would be:
Cyclops
Emma Frost
Beast
Wolverine
Storm

I would include Rogue and Iceman, but there in a good spot on Carey's team.

[Dagger]

This would be a great lineup except for Angel and Husk them becoming an item was the most absurd thing ever turning Angel into a Pedophile no matter what feelings they had for each other this was just wrong and I definitely do not want to see more of that crap ever :mad: ...
Husk was of age, unlike Kitty when she and Colossus hooked up, and Cannonball when he and Lila Cheney hooked up.

[rZi]

I voted for just the astonishing line-up.....let the other books have the rest.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Swashbuckling Nightcrawler.

Properly Adult Kitty Pryde.

Independent and self confident Colossus.

Just like his Excalibur run.

[jarrod]

Swashbuckling Nightcrawler.

Properly Adult Kitty Pryde.

Independent and self confident Colossus.

Just like his Excalibur run.
Should we throw in thoughtful, retired Brian Braddock too? We may be seeing Warpies after all. ;)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Should we throw in thoughtful, retired Brian Braddock too? We may be seeing Warpies after all. ;)

Yeah, that phrase in the interview was a bit wierd. Warpies are not mutants. They just got all mangled when Jaspers warped reality, and some gained powers.

Brian will hopefully be on Excalibur, of course...;)

[steve2275]

as they r now
or have kurt replace hisako

[jarrod]

Yeah, that phrase in the interview was a bit wierd. Warpies are not mutants. They just got all mangled when Jaspers warped reality, and some gained powers.
True, but they were (inadvertently) created by a mutant... actually, I wonder if Wanda's warps might've produced similar results? Maybe we'll see all new Warpies springing up?


Brian will hopefully be on Excalibur, of course...;)
I'd trade out Brian for Betsy in Cornell's book actually... it'd be a nice reversal for each, allow Brian to start over at the Institute and allow Betsy to take a more prominent role in Excalibur... hell, she could even try her hand at taking up the mantle again. :D

[Dagger]

Well, he did say he would be bringing in all new mutants, so, we'll see. I loved the warpies from the C.B. book.

[Pro]

Depowered Rictor
Depowered Jubilee
Depowered Mirage
Depowered Prodigee
Led by Depowered Quicksilver.

[KidNewWave]

Wait, wait! I've revised my dream lineup...
Emma Frost
Storm
Psylocke
Sage
Mystique
Dazzler
Ghost of Moria MacTaggert
Hellion, as the pool boy
....make it happen Ellis!

LOL! =) (I wanted a similar line-up Storm, Sage, & Psylocke) I really want to see the destiny diaries story continued and completed properly, but in Uncanny......

I'm kinda sick of the current Astonishing Line-up, I LOVE THE BOOK, but I love it when we get characters interacting that we don't know like the back of our hands....
Scott and Emma work well as Co-Heads of the Institute, but I would like to see them split up for a WHILE...... (if emma is even coming back from space :eek: )

I really don't care who they put in astonishing as long as it shakes up the status quo. Possible choices:

MONET! (she deserves to be in a core X-Men book, if she has the kid, with her background, M is going to have a nanny (or nannies)
I don't see her becoming a stay at home mommy any time soon.

NORTHSTAR!- He just rocks! (Put him in Astonishing or Adjectiveless and I'm happy)

PSYLOCKE! - Get her away from Claremont and let someone take her in a new direction....

[rwsmith]

This is Astonishing not West Coast Lupine Mighty Avengers.

I'm all over WCLMA when it comes out:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/nine/X-FACTOR026000Dcopy.jpg

[eurazn]

I'm operating under the assumption that this team's mission is still to serve as a public relations envoy to the non-mutant world. We need people who would draw attention/interest, and those people tend to be rich, famous, and beautiful. Shallow, but true ...

Dazzler: with those powers and famous history, who better to "Astonish" the world at large?

Angel: wealthy and handsome playboy

Emma Frost: the ice queen to rise above all other ice queens.

Northstar: handsome and wealthy former Olympian famous the world over for being oen of the first superheroes to come out of the closet publicly.

Beast: his tenure with the Avengers would garner enough sympathy from the public to warrant attention.

Storm: she's a QUEEN, (soon-to-be former) member of the Fantastic Four.

Professor X: a renowned pioneer of mutant rights.

[Suiciety]

Colossus
Wolvie
Cyke
Nightcrawler
Beast
Kitty

[Dagger]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/nine/X-FACTOR026000Dcopy.jpg
I love me some Silvestri, but my god, that's an awful picture!!!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Still will take it over any Ramos/Bachallo any day of the week.

[Patrion]

I voted for Cyclops, Emma Frost, Colossus, Wolverine, and Storm. However, this is the team I really want to see!

Cyclops (Leader of the X-Men) He is the leader of the "Astonishing" team and the X-Men in general, thus stepping down as Headmaster of the school.

Emma Frost (Queen "B" of the Institute) She is now THE Headmistress of the school and only goes on field missions when it's needed.

Wolverine (Resident Bad-A$$) He would never admit it, but he sticks with the Mansion team because of his affinity for the younger team, and his new sidekick, Armor, especially.

Armor (Junior X-Woman of Tomorrow) She has developed a relationship with Wolverine that is very reminisant of the one he had with Jubilee and is still learning the extant of her powers.

Beast (THE Mainstay) He has become very relaxed and comical since the return of his love Cecile Reyes, but is still the most grounded of the X-Men.

Cecile Reyes (X-Woman from "Limbo") She is drawn back to the Mansion and team when she is found by Beast on his search for a cure to the endangerment of mutants with a new found fire within.

Northstar (The Fast and The Flaming*) He has returned to the Mansion with his sister to return to teaching, but is tangled up in the team before he can start.

Aurora (Untapped Powerhouse) Her reamergance and mental recovery have also revealed a new power level that she was unaware of, which she hopes to learn to control at the Mansion and with the "Astonishing" team.

*I'm gay, so I can say that!

[Monty_Cristo]

I voted for Cyclops, Emma Frost, Colossus, Wolverine, and Storm. However, this is the team I really want to see!

Cyclops (Leader of the X-Men) He is the leader of the "Astonishing" team and the X-Men in general, thus stepping down as Headmaster of the school.

Emma Frost (Queen "B" of the Institute) She is now THE Headmistress of the school and only goes on field missions when it's needed.

Wolverine (Resident Bad-A$$) He would never admit it, but he sticks with the Mansion team because of his affinity for the younger team, and his new sidekick, Armor, especially.

Armor (Junior X-Woman of Tomorrow) She has developed a relationship with Wolverine that is very reminisant of the one he had with Jubilee and is still learning the extant of her powers.

Beast (THE Mainstay) He has become very relaxed and comical since the return of his love Cecile Reyes, but is still the most grounded of the X-Men.

Cecile Reyes (X-Woman from "Limbo") She is drawn back to the Mansion and team when she is found by Beast on his search for a cure to the endangerment of mutants with a new found fire within.

Northstar (The Fast and The Flaming*) He has returned to the Mansion with his sister to return to teaching, but is tangled up in the team before he can start.

Aurora (Untapped Powerhouse) Her reamergance and mental recovery have also revealed a new power level that she was unaware of, which she hopes to learn to control at the Mansion and with the "Astonishing" team.

*I'm gay, so I can say that!


wouldn't you be doubling up on the force-field powers, including Armor and Cecilia?

[Diablito]

I voted for Cyclops, Emma Frost, Colossus, Wolverine, and Storm. However, this is the team I really want to see!

Cyclops (Leader of the X-Men) He is the leader of the "Astonishing" team and the X-Men in general, thus stepping down as Headmaster of the school.

Emma Frost (Queen "B" of the Institute) She is now THE Headmistress of the school and only goes on field missions when it's needed.

Wolverine (Resident Bad-A$$) He would never admit it, but he sticks with the Mansion team because of his affinity for the younger team, and his new sidekick, Armor, especially.

Armor (Junior X-Woman of Tomorrow) She has developed a relationship with Wolverine that is very reminisant of the one he had with Jubilee and is still learning the extant of her powers.

Beast (THE Mainstay) He has become very relaxed and comical since the return of his love Cecile Reyes, but is still the most grounded of the X-Men.

Cecile Reyes (X-Woman from "Limbo") She is drawn back to the Mansion and team when she is found by Beast on his search for a cure to the endangerment of mutants with a new found fire within.

Northstar (The Fast and The Flaming*) He has returned to the Mansion with his sister to return to teaching, but is tangled up in the team before he can start.

Aurora (Untapped Powerhouse) Her reamergance and mental recovery have also revealed a new power level that she was unaware of, which she hopes to learn to control at the Mansion and with the "Astonishing" team.

*I'm gay, so I can say that!

Welcome to CBR!!!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

i have no problem with doubling up powers


in fact, i think it should be done, as it would be interesting

[Monty_Cristo]

i have no problem with doubling up powers


in fact, i think it should be done, as it would be interesting

how would it be interesting? think of it from a writers standpoint. you have to write action scenes. how will you use one force-field generator differently from another? why wouldn't a diverse power set be more interesting? ex. the Fantastic 4 vs the All-stretchy Four

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

How different people use the same powers would itself be interesting. The fact taht its not something thats really been done before. ETc

[Monty_Cristo]

How different people use the same powers would itself be interesting. The fact taht its not something thats really been done before. ETc

hey, i said my piece. if you don't get why it hasn't really been done before, then i can't help you. :)

[Faded]

how would it be interesting? think of it from a writers standpoint. you have to write action scenes. how will you use one force-field generator differently from another? why wouldn't a diverse power set be more interesting? ex. the Fantastic 4 vs the All-stretchy Four

I don't know if I'm just speaking from a bias of liking both characters, but I think the basic ways they use their powers are rather different.

I see Armor more like Colossus, but has a "telekinetic" or whatever armor instead of steel. She's more of a brawler with an interesting visual more than anything.

Cecilia was traditionally defensive, though she ended up using it as spikes that stabbed people. LOL that sounds funny. Anyway, yeah.

[Monty_Cristo]

I don't know if I'm just speaking from a bias of liking both characters, but I think the basic ways they use their powers are rather different.

I see Armor more like Colossus, but has a "telekinetic" or whatever armor instead of steel. She's more of a brawler with an interesting visual more than anything.

Cecilia was traditionally defensive, though she ended up using it as spikes that stabbed people. LOL that sounds funny. Anyway, yeah.

i like Banshee and Siryn. but i wouldn't put on the same team together. it would just look funny. and it's something that i would imagine a good battle strategist avoiding. and i've never read a good x-men run that involved this kind of doubling up. look at all of the great teams; X-Factor, for example. imagine if Rictor was repowered somehow but was, instead, given a sonic scream. wouldn't that be jarring to you, even if a different visual effect was used for the 'scream?' honestly, i have no problem with Cecilia and Hisako being in the same book. i just think it'd be wasteful to make them both active on the roster. like i could easily imagine Cecelia somehow instructing Armor in the use of her powers; instructor-pupil relationship.

[Faded]

i like Banshee and Siryn. but i wouldn't put on the same team together. it would just look funny. and it's something that i would imagine a good battle strategist avoiding. and i've never read a good x-men run that involved this kind of doubling up. look at all of the great teams; X-Factor, for example. imagine if Rictor was repowered somehow but was, instead, given a sonic scream. wouldn't that be jarring to you, even if a different visual effect was used for the 'scream?' honestly, i have no problem with Cecilia and Hisako being in the same book. i just think it'd be wasteful to make them both active on the roster. like i could easily imagine Cecelia somehow instructing Armor in the use of her powers; instructor-pupil relationship.

No, I actually agree with the gist of what you're saying, I just don't think Armor and Cecilia specifically really go against your argument. I love seeing teams have a wide array of powers, but I see Armor a lot more like Colossus than say...the Invisible Woman.

[HellFrost]

Doubling up on powers isn't a bad idea. I prefer the way Morrison did it however. Multiple telepaths is brilliant. I miss the Xavier/Emma/Jean dynamic that the books had. I loved Emma and Jeans relationship. They were my favorite part of any X-Men series I've ever read.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

not doubling up is just casting your x-team like you were drafting a football team or something


They dont always play football (fight)

[Monty_Cristo]

No, I actually agree with the gist of what you're saying, I just don't think Armor and Cecilia specifically really go against your argument. I love seeing teams have a wide array of powers, but I see Armor a lot more like Colossus than say...the Invisible Woman.

let me put it this way. could you get away with codenaming Cecilia 'Armor?'

not doubling up is just casting your x-team like you were drafting a football team or something


They dont always play football (fight)

powers come first; personalities second. why? because the powers (especially mutant powers) often influence or shape the personality. show me a good team and i'll show you one with variety. look at the original 5. look at Claremont's second flight. i wouldn't suggest putting two characters who have the same personality or look on the team, either. sometimes writers will even alter a characters personality if they happen to be on the same team with someone similar (personality-wise). you can have 2 characters on a team who have similar powers to highlight how different their personalities are. but that rarely works; long-term.

Doubling up on powers isn't a bad idea. I prefer the way Morrison did it however. Multiple telepaths is brilliant. I miss the Xavier/Emma/Jean dynamic that the books had. I loved Emma and Jeans relationship. They were my favorite part of any X-Men series I've ever read.


he had Jean killed off and gave Emma diamond powers.

[Faded]

let me put it this way. could you get away with codenaming Cecilia 'Armor?'

Yes, but I can also codename Beast "Shadowcat".

Or White Queen if I was being silly.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

let me put it this way. could you get away with codenaming Cecilia 'Armor?'



powers come first; personalities second. why? because the powers (especially mutant powers) often influence or shape the personality. show me a good team and i'll show you one with variety. look at the original 5. look at Claremont's second flight. i wouldn't suggest putting two characters who have the same personality or look on the team, either. sometimes writers will even alter a characters personality if they happen to be on the same team with someone similar (personality-wise). you can have 2 characters on a team who have similar powers to highlight how different their personalities are. but that rarely works; long-term.

s.

The original 5 and CCs team needed to be distinct because they were teams constructed for broad appeal

X-men has grown beyond that. The characters are more important than the powers.

[HellFrost]

he had Jean killed off and gave Emma diamond powers.
Ok... but what does that have to do with the dynamic the 2 characters had...?:confused:

[dreyson]

I'm not sure about the West Coast Lupine Mighty Avengers but I like the idea of the new team being a kind of Black Ops team that does the X-Men's dirty work with Wolverine, X-23, Psylocke, Gambit and Pete Wisdom.

[cable guy]

Cyclops......

[Monty_Cristo]

Ok... but what does that have to do with the dynamic the 2 characters had...?:confused:

the dynamic was that one was in the way of the other. it kind of reinforces my point.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I'd like to see:

Cyclops
Emma
Wolverine
Colossus
Hank
Nightcrawler
Rogue

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

the dynamic was that one was in the way of the other. it kind of reinforces my point.

Mid-long term thematically speaking, they totally were. But on panel during Morisson's run...?

If I recall correctly, they've interacted for, what, a couple of pages tops before the big showdown in NXM #139?? Kinda cracks me up when some (not you, obviously) go on regarding how roxor-fire-and-ice!!! was the vibe between the two.

If anything, they mostly *ignored* each other. And it wasn't about dynamic tension or conflict. They didn't hate one another. They just had nothing to do with one another.

[GoingGreen]

I totally voted Tabitha Smith.

Why aren't more people voting her way? She'd be an off-beat/gret dynamic... and Ellis writes her with precision.

[Monty_Cristo]

Mid-long term thematically speaking, they totally were. But on panel during Morisson's run...?

If I recall correctly, they've interacted for, what, a couple of pages tops before the big showdown in NXM #139?? Kinda cracks me up when some (not you, obviously) go on regarding how roxor-fire-and-ice!!! was the vibe between the two.

If anything, they mostly *ignored* each other. And it wasn't about dynamic tension or conflict. They didn't hate one another. They just had nothing to do with one another.

because, technically, they weren't even on a team together. they were school staff at that point. and, like i mentioned, one of the characters was changed dramatically (given a diamond form and made a physical combatant).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

because, technically, they weren't even on a team together. they were school staff at that point.

Come to think of it, if I recall correctly, the only person with whom either had least interaction was, hum, Xorn. Jean's had more interaction with Fantomex than Emma prior to #139, for crying out loud. So much for ongoing dynamic. :D

[HellFrost]

Ok... I have no idea who any of that was aimed at...

Anyway, I do feel like they had plenty of time together in Morrison's run. And even if they weren't together or talked every issue doesn't mean they didn't have a good dynamic going. Also, the dynamic doesn't only have to do with specifically being around one another, it's the actions they take that involve the other... As far as I'm concerned, Jean and Emma are Fire and Ice. They don't hate eachother, I don't think. They just don't like eachother, while still having a great deal of respect for one another... something these boards are apparently lacking here...

And yes, I understand what is meant by having an assortment of powers on a team. But at the same time, while Emma was given a new ability and it was used quite a lot, her main ability has always been her telepathy. And Jean was around for a while before she died.

And when one tries and succeeds in having an affair with the other's husband... I think they did have something to do with eachother...:rolleyes:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I agree Emma and Jean were ALWAYS civil towards one another even when Emma was being a bitch or Jean was doing her walk through memory lane.

And Darth brought up something good. Fantomex...him and Jean sorta flirted add Wolverine Jean was the real skank during Morrisons run at least Emma stuck with one guy. Jean ignored her husband and just b/c she didn't act on her flirtations people act like she's a saint.

news flash. Flawless characters are BORING they lack something called CHARACTER.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ok... I have no idea who any of that was aimed at...

Anyway, I do feel like they had plenty of time together in Morrison's run.

You're kidding, right?

And even if they weren't together or talked every issue doesn't mean they didn't have a good dynamic going. Also, the dynamic doesn't only have to do with specifically being around one another, it's the actions they take that involve the other...

Which can be summed up to a handful of scenes. The mob, the Cyke/mindrape showdown and one or two meaningless bits of snark in staff meetings. Not much.

Points penalty since Jean only found out about Scott/Emma because the Cuckoos ratted them out.


As far as I'm concerned, Jean and Emma are Fire and Ice.

No big fan of the analogy, but I sort of agree. It's the whole 'two sides of the same coing' thing I have a problem with. Can't remember whether you were for it or not. Oh well.


And when one tries and succeeds in having an affair with the other's husband... I think they did have something to do with eachother...:rolleyes:

Wait, this was about the two characters' alleged dynamic. Not the Jean/Scott/Emma triangle. And if you're saying the only the only thing binding them is a third party, well, you're kinda making my point.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I agree Emma and Jean were ALWAYS civil towards one another even when Emma was being a bitch or Jean was doing her walk through memory lane.

Wait, you can't possibly call #139 'civil' of all things?? :D


And Darth brought up something good. Fantomex...him and Jean sorta flirted add Wolverine Jean was the real skank during Morrisons run at least Emma stuck with one guy. Jean ignored her husband and just b/c she didn't act on her flirtations people act like she's a saint.

Morrison alone? Wouldn't call Jean a whore because she isn't. Still, her jerking a few guys (read Cyke, Wolvie and Warren) around because she's being indecisive pretty much is a defining part of her persona. Not just in 616 at that. :eek:

[Anna]

Anyone but Meltdown.

[rwsmith]

Cyclops
Emma Frost
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Storm
Colossus
Armor

[Karl H]

Cyclops
Emma Frost
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Storm
Colossus
Armor


Could have predicted 2 ;)

I'd actually say leave wolverine out of this run. Maybe have him guest in the first arc, have him in the mansion and say "right I'm playing with the Avengers today. see ya".

However, I doubt the editors will have the cojones to do this.

[rwsmith]

Well, it is supposed to be Astonishing X-men and not Mediocre X-men, right?;)

And, besides Logan, who was the other one you predicted?

[Karl H]

Well, it is supposed to be Astonishing X-men and not Mediocre X-men, right?;)

touche.....

[jen]

Well, it is supposed to be Astonishing X-men and not Mediocre X-men, right?;)

And, besides Logan, who was the other one you predicted?

*LOL*

I really don't care who is on the team. I would like a little shake up cause since Morrison New X-Men it seems the A-Team is Scott, Emma, Wolvie and Beast. I kinda want to see that busted up a bit. Maybe a team of:

Nighty
Storm
Wolverine
Psylocke
Colossus
Tabitha

A strong team, but just a little different. ;)

[Bulky Brent]

I don't see why the lineup can't stay the way it is now they got something good going here why ruin it

[Faded]

Well, it is supposed to be Astonishing X-men and not Mediocre X-men, right?;)

I know, right!?

But Risque is 'dead'.

[The M.E.]

I might be the minority, but I hope Ellis' lineup is much different than Joss's. I loved Joss Whedon, but i was never all that crazy about his choices. And after the delays and decompression, i'm just ready for some change (hence my super pumpedness for messiah complex). Here's who id like to see in Astonishing (at least today).

Cyclops
Dazzler
Colossus
Phoenix
Havok
Polaris

[Phil Hunn]

My picks:

Cyclops
Shadowcat
Beast
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Xavier

I know, I know, I was shocked at who I left out, too :p

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I might be the minority, but I hope Ellis' lineup is much different than Joss's. I loved Joss Whedon, but i was never all that crazy about his choices. And after the delays and decompression, i'm just ready for some change (hence my super pumpedness for messiah complex). Here's who id like to see in Astonishing (at least today).

Cyclops
Dazzler
Colossus
Phoenix
Havok
Polaris

I hope its different too. At this point this lineup is almost as uninteresting as the Gold Team, and taht is saying ALOT

[Omega Alpha]

I might be the minority, but I hope Ellis' lineup is much different than Joss's. I loved Joss Whedon, but i was never all that crazy about his choices. And after the delays and decompression, i'm just ready for some change (hence my super pumpedness for messiah complex). Here's who id like to see in Astonishing (at least today).

Cyclops
Dazzler
Colossus
Phoenix
Havok
Polaris

I like most characters, but this team is very uninteresting. It wouldn't have a family feel like the O5, for example, but it wouldn't someone to cause conflict like Wolverine or Emma.

[Jesse Newcomb]

Betty White

[Bulky Brent]

As long as he keeps Storm out of the lineup it's all good :D

[geminicomplex]

Cyke
Emma
Beast
Colossus
Kitty
Wolverine

but I would really like to see someone with some dynamic powers. I love Rachel, Psylocke and Storm but I don't think that they fit the title really. This cast seems very classic, even with Emma involved. Maybe Iceman would work better. He could still be in conflict with Scott and Emma but have the comraderie with Beast and Colossus.

[JBKWaka]

Cyke
Emma
Beast
Colossus
Kitty
Wolverine

but I would really like to see someone with some dynamic powers. I love Rachel, Psylocke and Storm but I don't think that they fit the title really. This cast seems very classic, even with Emma involved. Maybe Iceman would work better. He could still be in conflict with Scott and Emma but have the comraderie with Beast and Colossus.
Isn't that the exact same lineup whedon is using now I guess people are not a fan of change

[Slung]

Cyke
Emma
Beast
Colossus
Kitty
Wolverine

but I would really like to see someone with some dynamic powers. I love Rachel, Psylocke and Storm but I don't think that they fit the title really. This cast seems very classic, even with Emma involved. Maybe Iceman would work better. He could still be in conflict with Scott and Emma but have the comraderie with Beast and Colossus.
Storm would be a classic addition. I don't see how Emma on a team can be considered classic at all. Time-displaced Jean-ish Rachel and power/body swapping Psylocke would be a very poor fit for a supposedly accessible team.

[geminicomplex]

Storm would be a classic addition. I don't see how Emma on a team can be considered classic at all..

I'm not sure if you actually read it, but it said "even with Emma involved"

She adds a little more personality to the team which is why I would keep her. some of the "lol" moments in the book come from Emma and her banter with other members. I think Storm is too much of a leader, and too exposed right now, to be on this title. She shouldn't become another Wolverine. Throwing Storm, Emma and Scott on one team is asking for too much animosity. Storm should be leading her own team again.