Final Crisis: Your Best/worse Case Scenario?

[dswynne]

Just for fun, what would be the absolutely best/worst thing that DC could pull from all this?

BEST: Turned out to be one long test that Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman shared, vis-a-vis the original Quintessence.

"Then...it was all a dream?' Superman asked.
"No," says The Stranger. "It was a possibility. Your experiences in this altered reality will prepare you for the days ahead, so that you will NOT repeat the mistakes of the past..."

WORST: It all turned out to be a dream that a Jimmy Olsen had, a la "Saint Elsewhere"...while Clark Kent and Lois looks on.

"I swear, Clark," Lois says, as she continues to stare at Jimmy, who was shaking a snow globe of the Justice League Headquarters, "Jimmy needs HELP."
"Or stop eating those midnight snacks of his," Clark replied.

:p

-de

[Pink Bat Max]

Just for fun, what would be the absolutely best/worst thing that DC could pull from all this?

Best AND Worst: The world is saved via Hostess Fruit Pies.

[Magneto Rocks]

Best: BArry Allen back, all Flashes active and alive, Darkseid re-established as supreme badass of the DCU, Dan DiDio implodes and Mark Waid leaves BOOM! to become EiC of DC.

Worst: New Gods destroyed, another Flash killed, multiverse destroyed, Rogues dead or ruined. That's really all I care about.

[TotalWorldDomination]

BEST: Rip-Roaring action peice that either A) ends the current round of DC continuity and dose a hard reboot of the DC universe with the promise that they will NEVER reference old continuity again or B) figures out some way to detangle the current web of continity without resorting to Mr. Mind becoming a giant moth of death and eating the timeline.

WORST: Maudilin self-analisis ending with some G-Level villian recreating the timeline/universe somehow and muddying up continuity even more by drasticaly altering peoples origins, timelines and adventures ("It's so much more simple now! Just Ignore the following stories! Birthright, Wonder Woman Vol. 1, Hush, Kamandi, Anything writen by Jack Kriby on a tuesday..." ect ect) or killing off and Replacing heroes to create a marketing blitz ("Sure we killed all the original characters, but it's soooooo much cooler now! See, now wally west is batman, Dick Greyson is Aquaman and we've created new versions of Wonder Woman, Martain Manhunter and the Joker!)

[StrikeForce Albert]

Best: BArry Allen back, all Flashes active and alive, Darkseid re-established as supreme badass of the DCU, Dan DiDio implodes and Mark Waid leaves BOOM! to become EiC of DC.

Worst: New Gods destroyed, another Flash killed, multiverse destroyed, Rogues dead or ruined. That's really all I care about.

Hmmm...I would bet money on Barry being in Final Crisis. Not returning though. Unless there is a an earth that is pure silver age and he's part of it

[TotalWorldDomination]

Hmmm...I would bet money on Barry being in Final Crisis. Not returning though. Unless there is a an earth that is pure silver age and he's part of it

I would agree, but add that I think he is coming back perhaps even before FC, based purely on the JSA/JLA crossover.

[Killer Frost]

BEST: New Earth and all its characters are wiped out by the Forces of Evil. To prevent the imminent destruction of the whole Multiverse, an immensely powerful parallel-earth Superman rolls New Earth-One into its place. The Superman of New Earth-One is revealed to be Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman, who becomes the new flagship character of the DCU. His world's Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, etc, eventually take their appointed places at his side.

WORST: Just about anything else I can imagine.

[NMoline]

Best: The Trinity Dies

Worst: Superboy Retcon Punch

[Tumbido]

Best: a classic story that will stand the test of time, with Darkseid back as a respectable character, consistent art and mostly self-contained.

Worst: the end of the series will be a setup for yet another event or weekly series. The opposite of the above.

[Babylon23]

Best case: This is the actual Final Crisis. Once this is done, the DCU will be stabilised and we'll have a clear understanding of the history of each character in the DCU. There will be no more massive crossovers and events for at least a few years and the books will be able to stand on their own for a while.

Worst case: Final Crisis sets up the next big crossover. The neverending cycle of events plaguing the big 2 continues indefinitely.

[Young Avenger]

Best case: Seeing this crisis being 18 years early

Worst case: Clusterf*** and lots of it

[slayer2005]

Best: Heroes united, not bickering; dead heroes coming back; Superboy-Prime finally being killed off; heroes fighting each other just like in that Family Guy episode.

Worst: Another Titans massacre; Flash dead; more endless reboot and confusing character histories; if this is another set-up for a weekly series, you can tell DC is desperate for money.

[StrikeForce Albert]

Best: Bad Ass

Worst: Half ass

[DaeJi]

Best: Highly entertaining, puts the focus on the characters, not the universe, gets rid of the multiverse, last event for a while, makes the New Gods important again, returns Mary Marvel to the sweet young hero he was before.

Worst: Isn't final.

[Shellhead]

Best Case: a new and stable status quo is established, one that allows heroes to be heroes, some sort of multiverse, and some kind of past and future that keeps great stories like those of Sgt. Rock, Kamandi and the Legion in continuity. Maybe Morrison will finally get a chance to teach us to appreciate Hypertime.

Worst Case: More Infinite Crisis crap. DC sets us all up for yet another major event, to be followed by more major events. Lots of meaningless deaths happen, including the mass murder of all former Teen Titans. DC sales decline as Marvel grabs up more market share.

[Paul Dee]

Best: an enthralling epic story, brilliantly written and illustrated which completely validates everything DC have been doing since Infinite Crisis (or Identity Crisis even) and which doesn't alter continuity too much or go ret-con crazy. The end of mega DC cross-overs for a long time.

Worst: meaningless deaths, hints of a future crisis, a 52 issue weekly Final Crisis Aftermath series which leads us into something else equally epic.

[Buried Alien]

BEST: New Earth and all its characters are wiped out by the Forces of Evil. To prevent the imminent destruction of the whole Multiverse, an immensely powerful parallel-earth Superman rolls New Earth-One into its place. The Superman of New Earth-One is revealed to be Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman, who becomes the new flagship character of the DCU. His world's Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, etc, eventually take their appointed places at his side.

Strangely, that's pretty similar to what I've been imagining could happen.

After COIE ended, Earth-One (and the other four "surviving" Earths) were essentially sacrificed to make way for Post-COIE Earth (i.e. "New" Earth). Maybe now, the favor will be returned, with New Earth dying to restore Earth-One as the primary DC Universe. After all, at the end of 52, we learn that there is a distinct Earth-One universe that is *not* the New Earth universe.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Joe Acro]

Best: A truly awesome well-crafted epic tale filled with action, comedy, romance, and sacrifice, as well as a look into the minds of heroes and villains.

Worst: A large-scale, overly violent story utilizing time travel and reality warping with mixed results.

[Joe Rice]

Best: Editorial's hands are off and Morrison writes a true love letter to the genre he so loves.

Worst: Editorial's hands are on and it's just another dumb crossover.

[Indigo Al]

Best Case: a new and stable status quo is established, one that allows heroes to be heroes, some sort of multiverse, and some kind of past and future that keeps great stories like those of Sgt. Rock, Kamandi and the Legion in continuity. Maybe Morrison will finally get a chance to teach us to appreciate Hypertime.

Worst Case: More Infinite Crisis crap. DC sets us all up for yet another major event, to be followed by more major events. Lots of meaningless deaths happen, including the mass murder of all former Teen Titans. DC sales decline as Marvel grabs up more market share.

I'll second this as best and worst.

[Froggy]

Best: Editorial's hands are off and Morrison writes a true love letter to the genre he so loves.

Worst: Editorial's hands are on and it's just another dumb crossover.

cosign! srsly

[brundlefly]

Best Case: a new and stable status quo is established, one that allows heroes to be heroes, some sort of multiverse, and some kind of past and future that keeps great stories like those of Sgt. Rock, Kamandi and the Legion in continuity. Maybe Morrison will finally get a chance to teach us to appreciate Hypertime.

Worst Case: More Infinite Crisis crap. DC sets us all up for yet another major event, to be followed by more major events. Lots of meaningless deaths happen, including the mass murder of all former Teen Titans. DC sales decline as Marvel grabs up more market share.

I'll second this as best and worst.

Thirded; Shellhead sums up pretty much what I was going to post. Best case is Morrison using the best aspects of DCU's history to tell a great, classic story and create a satisfying status quo that incorporates the old while looking towards the new; worst is this is just another chapter in the endless loop of overhyped "final" battles/crises that exist just to perpetuate the next one.
And on a more personal worst/best:

BEST: Darkseid, Lex Luthor, & Braniac come out of this reestablished as the feared upper-tier of DC villainy

WORST: "Jobberseid" (as I've seen him called on these forums), Purple & Green Disco Spandex Lex, and one of the mediocre incarnations of Braniac (take your pick) all show up and kowtow to the Anti-Monitor (or Imperiex, or Extant, or another anticlimactic cosmic villain).

[Phoney Bone]

ABSOLUTE Worst Case: "All-Star God Damn Batman and Robin" Earth becomes new continuity starting point.

Best Case: Earth-Welcome Back Kotter and Earth-Jerry Lewis!!!

[davids]

The whole thing is reviled at the end to be a work of fiction being written by author Clark kent. He finishes the book, turns out the light and Lois tells him to come to bed. he walks past his clown suit laying across a chair and climbs into bed next to his wife. Lois asks him, "Done?" as she turns over and more like rolls over as she is very pregnant.

"all done, " he replies. "Good, now maybe we can actually aford this son of yours," she teases.

The bad...The whole thing is one of Clark's Novels!

[Shellhead]

I'm actually starting to feel optimistic about Final Crisis. Morrison and I both loved that old JLA/JSA team-up where they rescued the Seven Soldiers, so I trust Morrison to keep the Multiverse around. His writing on both JLA and All-Star Superman shows a real fondness for classic heroics, as well as breath-taking creativity and an appreciation for the real weirdness of early silver age comics. And Morrison's Animal Man and Doom Patrol were both critically- acclaimed titles based on relatively obscure heroes, so I feel confident that he will err on the side of keeping lesser heroes instead of casually killing them off.

Aside from that, what else has Morrison worked on in the mainstream DCU? I haven't heard great things about his recent work with Batman. 52 unmistakably included some very creative ideas from Morrison, but it's not always clear which pages he wrote, and there were definitely some weak aspects to the overall series. The final issues of his Doom Patrol run were annoyingly weird, and the final issue of Seven Soldiers was kind of a mess.

But in general, Morrison's work for DC has been exemplary, and exactly right for this Final Crisis project. Morrison is absolutely capable of delivering an original and epic tale that is rich with both plot twists and symbolism, and he definitely understands and appreciates superhero comics in a way that too many of his peer don't. (Naming names: Meltzar, Bendis, Card, JMS, Winick, Hudlin, and Bruce Jones) Like Joe Rice has pointed out, if Final Crisis fails, it will probably be due to excessive editorial meddling. Since Morrison currently wields editorial authority at DC, he should hopefully be immune to that kind of interference. Realistically, there will be some input, at least from his fellow writers.

[Tumbido]

Anti-Monitor (or Imperiex, or Extant, or another anticlimactic cosmic villain

At least to me, the Anti-Monitor sounds a little unlikely to repeat Crisis-baddie responsibility, at least in full, considering he is already starting to make waves. Imperiex would need a big shot in the arm to emerge from mediocrity.

[Pink Bat Max]

Best Case: A series that starts off with appearences of normality but rapidly descends into absolute bats**t insanity. The Doom Patrol enters the fray. Danny The World saves the multiverse (and hooks up with with Mogo) and the Yellow Aliens explain that, 'hey people, the universe/multiverse/megaverse.... it's all just story, folks, so relax and go with the flow."

Worst Case: A new rigid uni/multi/megaverse is introduced with rigid rules, they don't explain it for over a year, and people flip out trying to figure out the rules ad nauseum.

[brundlefly]

At least to me, the Anti-Monitor sounds a little unlikely to repeat Crisis-baddie responsibility, at least in full, considering he is already starting to make waves. Imperiex would need a big shot in the arm to emerge from mediocrity.

I know those two are unlikely to repeat. I was just giving examples of the kind of one-shot, created-for-the-crossover "big cosmic villains" who end up overshadowing the quality DCU bad guys whenever it's "Crisis" time.

[Tumbido]

I know those two are unlikely to repeat. I was just giving examples of the kind of one-shot, created-for-the-crossover "big cosmic villains" who end up overshadowing the quality DCU bad guys whenever it's "Crisis" time.

To me, these big cosmic villains are part of the draw of these kind of stories. Final Crisis could surprise by going with a climax that features almost no action, but there's plenty of room from Countdown to Final Crisis to feature many villains like Darkseid or Sinestro. If they went for a totally new baddie for Final Crisis that just died in the end, it would be lame.

[rerun]

Best- a tale that covers the whole DCU with imagination and purpose and we see there's been a plan in place the whole time since Identity Crisis. This sets up the DCU for the next 20 years.

Worst- this leads to the next event.

[Todd H]

Best- a tale that covers the whole DCU with imagination and purpose and we see there's been a plan in place the whole time since Identity Crisis. This sets up the DCU for the next 20 years.

Worst- this leads to the next event.

I'll agree. I'm getting a little tired of these events.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

If what they are saying is true from SDCC, Final Crisis will be the final part for this long crossover storyline (the one that started at Graduation Day).

And, from what I remember, I pretty sure that most of these crossovers had an ending, even Infinite Crisis and 52. So, I really don't agree with the whole "each crossover connects" thing.

[DaeJi]

And, from what I remember, I pretty sure that most of these crossovers had an ending, even Infinite Crisis and 52. So, I really don't agree with the whole "each crossover connects" thing.

DC itself has said that they all connect to each other.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

DC itself has said that they all connect to each other.

But that's mostly because it's a shared universe.

Each of those stories could be read as a stand-alone. That's what I mean.

[Buried Alien]

If what they are saying is true from SDCC, Final Crisis will be the final part for this long crossover storyline (the one that started at Graduation Day).

And, from what I remember, I pretty sure that most of these crossovers had an ending, even Infinite Crisis and 52. So, I really don't agree with the whole "each crossover connects" thing.

It's an optional thing. If you want to read them as one huge megastory, there are links that enable you to do that. If you want to read them as stand-alones, you can do that too.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[spidervenom]

Best case- Great story by morrison with no huge continuty reboot and features all the different earth

worst case- everyone dies, huge continuity reboot and all the heroes are replaced by new hip younger people that all the fans can relate too.

[Adriel]

Best: Something that makes these last few years seem meaningful and worth it.

Worst: Something remotely similar to Infinite Crisis.

[Captain Smith]

Best case: Supes divorces Lois or retcons the marriage away. He gets some balls this time around. Sick of his psycho drama. He moves to the top of the hero pantheon again. Stronger and faster than all. Not so easily taken down by mutant hicks or the like.

Worst Case:

The follow up series : 365 - a comic a day about Booster Gold and other crap cakes I don't care about.

[OverMaster]

Worst case: Jay Garrick dies (it'd be his turn now, and he has been avoiding the Golden Age bullet of death far longer than most of his old colleagues). Gotham City is destroyed again. Damian becomes the next Robin. Superman gets another unneeded powerup that makes his Rogues Gallery even more impotent against him. Darkseid jobs again. The Legion of Superheroes gets another reboot. Action Comics and Detective Comics are relaunched with brand new 1 issues.

Best case: Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew save the day.

[Tumbido]

Superman gets another unneeded powerup that makes his Rogues Gallery even more impotent against him.

The road to Pre-Crisis Superman is a steep one, but yeah he's always getting stronger.

Darkseid jobs again.

With the recent emphasis on the New Gods and the boost on badass-factor Sinestro has gotten, Darkseid jobbing again would be criminal.

[glennsim]

Best Case: DC either restarts their continuity or puts out a DEFINITIVE History of the DC Universe. They then add a section to their Web site that outlines every character in detail and provides summaries for all of the storylines, so that the writers, editors and readers can all keep track.

Worst Case: something that changes the history again, but it's vague about what it did. And more continuity errors follow because nobody is keeping track of what anybody else is doing.

[Pink Bat Max]

Worst case: Jay Garrick dies (it'd be his turn now, and he has been avoiding the Golden Age bullet of death far longer than most of his old colleagues).[QUOTE]

But he's one of the 'Big Three' of the JSA. I don't think they'll be getting rid of him.

[QUOTE=OverMaster;5223661]Best case: Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew save the day.

Toss Danny the Street into that scenario and you have a winner!

[Mr Blinky]

Worst Case: something that changes the history again, but it's vague about what it did. And more continuity errors follow because nobody is keeping track of what anybody else is doing.

Seconded. Honestly, I think this is everybody's worst case scenario.

Best case: Cornelius Stirk saves the day, by eating the Anti-Monitor's liver. :)

[Titanium]

Best: The multiverse is completely defined and rules are put in places about using the multiverse in storylines. No more using one miniseries event to build up to the next one.

Worst: Multiverse is defined and everyone is encouraged to use it willy nilly. Final Crisis is just a build up to the next miniseries event.

[KingEli]

Worst case: Jay Garrick dies (it'd be his turn now, and he has been avoiding the Golden Age bullet of death far longer than most of his old colleagues). Gotham City is destroyed again. Damian becomes the next Robin. Superman gets another unneeded powerup that makes his Rogues Gallery even more impotent against him. Darkseid jobs again. The Legion of Superheroes gets another reboot. Action Comics and Detective Comics are relaunched with brand new 1 issues.



Jay Garrick dying? As long as he got his Hat he's immortal. That thing blocked SBP's Heat Vision for heaven's sake.

Question: Is the Wildstorm crew going to be in this? I mean as characters, you helping out and saying the Multiverse? Well that and Midnighter ripping out somebody's spine.