Survivorman or Man vs. Wild

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I never even heard of this! btw, o/t....another reality show, Man vs. Wild.

I can't stand that show! I like the other one (survivorman, i think) a lot more. At least that guy goes out there, tries to be as conservative as possible, does his own camera work and does not bring like every survival piece of equipment to every place.

One the desert island show, 'Bear' was like, 'well, it's extremely hard to climb the palm trees, I can hardly do it!' and there's the camera man shot showing him 'trying' to climb the tree. In the next shot, there's the camera man up in the tree with him for a head shot. Umm...yeah..apparently it was so hard to climb that you could hardly make it up, while the cameraman had to lug his camera up with him and made it up to you. yeah.... He seems like a typically tough military guy, but really, left to his own abilities in the rough wild, he would be beaten up a lot worse than someone with a little more environmental knowledge, like how the discovery races ended up.

[Rattlehead]

I never even heard of this! btw, o/t....

I can't stand that show! I like the other one (survivorman, i think) a lot more. At least that guy goes out there, tries to be as conservative as possible, does his own camera work and does not bring like every survival piece of equipment to every place.

Um, the Man VS. Wild dude usually carries a knife and a canteen and that's it.

[Sadyv]

Um, the Man VS. Wild dude usually carries a knife and a canteen and that's it.

And 4-5 cameramen, and safety lines and life jackets.

Les Stroud, the Survivorman, the shit he does is much more punishing than what Bear does. You see these really awesome shots that Les sets up, and then you realize that, for that 3-5 seconds of footage, Les had to spend 40 minutes to an hour of extra time lugging 50 pounds of camera gear around to set up that shot, on top the normal amount of hiking he has to do, just for survival.

Working the cameras and setting up the shots, probably triples the amount of hiking he has to do.

[ragnarok_2012]

And 4-5 cameramen, and safety lines and life jackets.

Les Stroud, the Survivorman, the shit he does is much more punishing than what Bear does. You see these really awesome shots that Les sets up, and then you realize that, for that 3-5 seconds of footage, Les had to spend 40 minutes to an hour of extra time lugging 50 pounds of camera gear around to set up that shot, on top the normal amount of hiking he has to do, just for survival.

Working the cameras and setting up the shots, probably triples the amount of hiking he has to do.

Yeah, Survivorman is just fascinating to watch.

Plus, in spite of all the extraordinary stuff he accomplishes, he just seems so human.

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Um, the Man VS. Wild dude usually carries a knife and a canteen and that's it.

And 4-5 cameramen, and safety lines and life jackets.

Les Stroud, the Survivorman, the shit he does is much more punishing than what Bear does. You see these really awesome shots that Les sets up, and then you realize that, for that 3-5 seconds of footage, Les had to spend 40 minutes to an hour of extra time lugging 50 pounds of camera gear around to set up that shot, on top the normal amount of hiking he has to do, just for survival.

Working the cameras and setting up the shots, probably triples the amount of hiking he has to do.

exactly!, he carries around his military survival gear, has whatever his crew needs to survive and basically takes on 'expeditions' in non-realistic ways, unlike Survivorman, who tries to get into situations like would happen in real life. Plus a large part of being out in the wilderness is lonliness and dealing with that, not trying to act cool in front of a camera crew.

it's not like everyday you carry around a knife,, survival boots and whatever supplies he takes to help him cut down trees and kill animals. Survivorman actually takes apart things like bikes and cameras or whatever a real person would have.

[ragnarok_2012]

exactly!, he carries around his military survival gear, has whatever his crew needs to survive and basically takes on 'expeditions' in non-realistic ways, unlike Survivorman, who tries to get into situations like would happen in real life. Plus a large part of being out in the wilderness is lonliness and dealing with that, not trying to act cool in front of a camera crew.

it's not like everyday you carry around a knife,, survival boots and whatever supplies he takes to help him cut down trees and kill animals. Survivorman actually takes apart things like bikes and cameras or whatever a real person would have.

Plus, the man has a harmonica.

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Plus, the man has a harmonica.

i'd rather have that for him to keep his mind busy, instead of some idiot telling me how hard it is to climb trees, yet in the next moment, we get a shot of him in the tree with the 'invisible' cameraman, who apparently, has an easier time of it than he. ;)

[maczero]

I prefer Survivorman over Man vs. Wild. That in no way means I consider Bear any less of a survival expert than Les (no pun intended). Bear's show is more like the Jackass of survival shows. He does stunts and eats disgusting things for shock/entertainment. Still he passes on important survival techniques. His show is meant to be a little flashier.

Survivorman is a lot more practical in my opinion. Les doesn't do things like try to tame wild horses or jump in raging rivers. He's more about basic survival while you try to find your way back to civilization.

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His show is meant to be a little flashier.

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if he acted half as fantically on that show as he would in real life, he'd be dead in no time, that's obviously why he needs so much nurishment during his 'ordeals'.

[Kevin Vetter]

Yeah, Survivorman is just fascinating to watch.

Plus, in spite of all the extraordinary stuff he accomplishes, he just seems so human.

Thats why I like survivorman more to. It's way less flashy and the stuff that he does are things that pretty much anyone should be able to do. Then you have bear the special forces guy doing crazy things like climbing up and down vertical cliffs and diving into fast moving rivers and swimming long distances. The only people that are going to be able to use what he does to get out of a situation like that are the very few other people that are in good athletic shape and have all his training. If a normal guy follows what he shows they'll be dead in 10 minutes.

[Lord of Denial]

There is also the fact that Bear was busted for staying in nearby hotels when he was supposed to be in the "WILD".

[Jared]

Isn't that just rumour?

Anyway, I've seen Bear piss on a cloth and then wrap it around his face, and bite right into a live salmon . He's still more man than any of us.

I've never heard of Survivorman, but it sounds interesting.

[maczero]

Isn't that just rumour?

Anyway, I've seen Bear piss on a cloth and then wrap it around his face, and bite right into a salmon . He's still more man than any of us.
Don't forget the guy squeezed the water out of elephant dung and drank it.
I've never heard of Survivorman, but it sounds interesting.Basically, it's Man vs. Wild without the extreme antics. I'm surprised you never heard of it. It was the predecessor of Man vs. Wild.

[jesse_custer]

He seems like a typically tough military guy, but really, left to his own abilities in the rough wild, he would be beaten up a lot worse than someone with a little more environmental knowledge, like how the discovery races ended up.

You want to see Survivorman in real life? Just come to Mississippi. Because I've seen tougher rednecks survive just like Survivorman. He's lame.

Bear, on the other hand, has went to extreme lengths to survive. The conditions he faces are usually more challenging than what Survivor bumbles his way through.

For Christ sake, Survivor Man usually carries gum. What the hell. You have to be on angel dust to think he's really doing anything. Bear goes in with no food or pleasures like gum. Jesus H. Christ. Gum.

[Lord of Denial]

Isn't that just rumour?

Anyway, I've seen Bear piss on a cloth and then wrap it around his face, and bite right into a salmon . He's still more man than any of us.

I've never heard of Survivorman, but it sounds interesting.

There is a big story on Timesonline about it. It happened I guess on his first show.

[jesse_custer]

That claim hasn't been verified really.

[Lord of Denial]

That claim hasn't been verified really.

I think it was verified by Channel 4 the network that ran the program.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

suvrivorman is boring. Its like Grizzly man without all the bears and the knowledge that he will get mauled later.

Bear is entertaining first, but he does the crap. And its more informational than simply "watch me survive".

[jesse_custer]

I think it was verified by Channel 4 the network that ran the program.

Just because a network or news organization does a story on something like this doesn't mean the claim is verified. Modern journalism is plagued by rumor and hearsay in many cases. Although it would help if I could analyze some text of the story in order to evaluate its reliability.

[FanboyStranger]

There is also the fact that Bear was busted for staying in nearby hotels when he was supposed to be in the "WILD".

The latest rumor on this is that the crew was staying at the hotel while Bear was still out and about. However, there is still the issue of his crew building the raft on the deserted Pacific island, something I know I had trouble believing he could have built so quickly on his own when I watched that episode. Granted, I tried to build myself a bow and arrow like Bear during a work break last Friday, and failed miserably, so I might just be a little jaded altogether. (It did garner some laughs though, especially when I said, "I never said a bow and arrow; I said a fishing pole!")

Bear is a star. A truly deranged star who probably going to die on television within two years, but a star nonetheless.

[maczero]

The latest rumor on this is that the crew was staying at the hotel while Bear was still out and about. However, there is still the issue of his crew building the raft on the deserted Pacific island, something I know I had trouble believing he could have built so quickly on his own when I watched that episode. Granted, I tried to build myself a bow and arrow like Bear during a work break last Friday, and failed miserably, so I might just be a little jaded altogether. (It did garner some laughs though, especially when I said, "I never said a bow and arrow; I said a fishing pole!")

Bear is a star. A truly deranged star who probably going to die on television within two years, but a star nonetheless.Speaking of the raft incident. Did anyone get the impression that the thing with sharks was staged? I mean he happens to dive in the water for a second and a shark happened to be there. Then several appeared around the raft. I get the feeling that the production chummed the area before the scene was shot.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

yes they chummed the water then told their star to jump in afterwards. Mmmm hmmm.

[Jade_GL]

I realy enjoy Survivorman. I actually watched one episode on tv and then my bf and I netflixed the dvds.

I find some situations kind of boring, like the one where he was in the mountains, but the arctic and at sea episodes were very cool.

I haven't watched all of Man Vs. Wild, but I know that I really enjoy Survivorman, and Les just seems like he's a cool guy. Plus, harmonicas rock. ;)

[maczero]

yes they chummed the water then told their star to jump in afterwards. Mmmm hmmm.The way reality tv works, it wouldn't surprise me.

Besides people do swim with great whites without cages.

[Sadyv]

You want to see Survivorman in real life? Just come to Mississippi. Because I've seen tougher rednecks survive just like Survivorman. He's lame.

Bear, on the other hand, has went to extreme lengths to survive. The conditions he faces are usually more challenging than what Survivor bumbles his way through.

For Christ sake, Survivor Man usually carries gum. What the hell. You have to be on angel dust to think he's really doing anything. Bear goes in with no food or pleasures like gum. Jesus H. Christ. Gum.





WOw, you have no f@#king clue what you are talking about.

The shit Les does, is far more difficult than what Bear does on his show. Les has no cameramen to talk to, he has to carry that gear himself, set up shots, set the camers, film it, pick the cameras back up, etc.

Man vs. Wild is the Jackass of survival shows. Its all stupid stunts and Fear Factor gross out shit, stuff that the average person couldn't, and most importantly, SHOULDN'T do in survival situations. Its easy for Bear to do those moronic moves on the show, knowing that a whole team of people are feet away to help him out if he gets injured. Les has no such luxury.

You want to see Survivorman in real life? Just come to Mississippi. Because I've seen tougher rednecks survive just like Survivorman. He's lame.

You've seen rednecks go out alone, north of the artic circle, in prime polar bear country, with your only food source being a hunk of seal meat, which polar bear love to eat? All the while hauling camera gear, and doing lots of unecessary work to set up the camera shots, making survival that much harder?

Hey, guess what? I could do ANYTHING Bear has done on Man vs. Wild with a team of people around with me in case anything happend to me. All it takes is some basic knowledge and being in shape. I can't say the same for pulling off what Les Stroud does.

[Conn Seanery]

Calm down, please.

[FanboyStranger]

Speaking of the raft incident. Did anyone get the impression that the thing with sharks was staged? I mean he happens to dive in the water for a second and a shark happened to be there. Then several appeared around the raft. I get the feeling that the production chummed the area before the scene was shot.

I didn't, if only because he told the crew to shut the camera off. I suspect that was one of the "emergency" times where he allows himself to be taken out of danger. He probably climbed onto the crew's vessel until the danger passed, then they edited the footage to make it seem like he was in constant danger. While this sort of thing is what critics have been accusing him of, the show does state that the only time the crew is allowed to intervene is when his life is in immediate jeopardy. I think a shark attack certainly falls under that criteria.

Another point for the Bear: my father, who pretty much loathes all modern television, celebrities, and athletes loves exactly two modern television personalities-- Peyton Manning and Bear Grylls. Only I can truly appreciate this revelation, but trust me: that is huge news. (This is the man who when confronted with the news that the Crocodile Hunter died replied, "About time." No, my father is not John Byrne.)

[maczero]

I didn't, if only because he told the crew to shut the camera off. I suspect that was one of the "emergency" times where he allows himself to be taken out of danger. He probably climbed onto the crew's vessel until the danger passed, then they edited the footage to make it seem like he was in constant danger. While this sort of thing is what critics have been accusing him of, the show does state that the only time the crew is allowed to intervene is when his life is in immediate jeopardy. I think a shark attack certainly falls under that criteria.Possible. It's just that I know it often takes hours to attract sharks even with chum. It just seems odd that several sharks would be in the area at the exact moment he decides to jump in the water.

[jesse_custer]

Les has no cameramen to talk to, he has to carry that gear himself, set up shots, set the camers, film it, pick the cameras back up, etc.

Watch Grizzly Man. Timothy Treadwell was a kook, yet he did all the camerawork of his survival with Grizzly Bears, which lasted for about 12 summers.

Its all stupid stunts and Fear Factor gross out shit, stuff that the average person couldn't, and most importantly, SHOULDN'T do in survival situations. Its easy for Bear to do those moronic moves on the show, knowing that a whole team of people are feet away to help him out if he gets injured. Les has no such luxury.

Bear constantly gives examples of people who survived in the same locations with extreme tactics that are similar to his. So maybe his moves have been performed successfully in survival situations. Also, Survivorman has gum for Christ sake.

You've seen rednecks go out alone, north of the artic circle, in prime polar bear country, with your only food source being a hunk of seal meat, which polar bear love to eat?

No, but we have a lot of ice, polar bears, and seals down here.

Seriously, my point is that rednecks could do anything he does. They wouldn't do what Bear does, because he's actually beyond a redneck. Did I mention that rednecks love to chew gum?

Hey, guess what? I could do ANYTHING Bear has done on Man vs. Wild with a team of people around with me in case anything happend to me. All it takes is some basic knowledge and being in shape.

Then maybe you should be on television.

[Kevin Vetter]

Watch grizzly man again. They say that treadwell wasn't always out there by himself and they didn't get any other people on camera so it would look like he was always all alone and that wasn't just said about the last time when he was out there with his girlfriend.

Was there a story somewhere saying that les always had gum with him or did you watch the one episode where 2 or 3 pieces of gum were with the items they let him have and are assuming that he always had gum with him? And why is gum such a big deal? Did I miss the memo about gum being this amazing thing that will let you survive any condition immaginable? I'm pretty sure that bear carrying parachute lines and having a camera crew with him at all times is quite a bit more help than having a few pieces of gum.

[Lord of Denial]

Watch grizzly man again. They say that treadwell wasn't always out there by himself and they didn't get any other people on camera so it would look like he was always all alone and that wasn't just said about the last time when he was out there with his girlfriend.

Was there a story somewhere saying that les always had gum with him or did you watch the one episode where 2 or 3 pieces of gum were with the items they let him have and are assuming that he always had gum with him? And why is gum such a big deal? Did I miss the memo about gum being this amazing thing that will let you survive any condition immaginable? I'm pretty sure that bear carrying parachute lines and having a camera crew with him at all times is quite a bit more help than having a few pieces of gum.


Have you ever seen a ep of Macquver?

[Jared]

This isn't Rumbles, but surely the question is appropriate: Who'd win a fight, Bear or Survivorman? :)

Incidentally, my brother just mentioned the Survivorman show to me today, saying he saw that it was coming soon, to either the History Channel or Discovery. If its aired previously here, I'm surprised I never heard about it. I only recently started watching Man vs. Wild, but I've known about it for many months, at least.

[Lord of Denial]

This isn't Rumbles, but surely the question is appropriate: Who'd win a fight, Bear or Survivorman? :)

Incidentally, my brother just mentioned the Survivorman show to me today, saying he saw that it was coming soon, to either the History Channel or Discovery. If its aired previously here, I'm surprised I never heard about it. I only recently started watching Man vs. Wild, but I've known about it for many months, at least.

I know Bear was special forces but it was British so at some time they probably broke for tea.:evilsmile

[GremlinClr]

Incidentally, my brother just mentioned the Survivorman show to me today, saying he saw that it was coming soon, to either the History Channel or Discovery. If its aired previously here, I'm surprised I never heard about it. I only recently started watching Man vs. Wild, but I've known about it for many months, at least.

Since Les is completely by himself he doesn't do near as many episodes as Bear. There have only been (IIRC) 9 Survivorman episodes since like 2004. The new season starts I think August 10th on Discovery. If you have the Science Channel they show the old episodes on Wednesdays.

[Sadyv]

Sorry for getting upset, but it just bothers me one someone who obviously doesn't know anything about survival starts spouting off as if they are an expert.

If you like Bear's show better, fine, good on you, but don't try and imply that its a more factual show and offers better survival tips and knowledge than Survivorman, because it doesn't or that you or your redneck friends can do what Les Stroud does, because you know damn well you couldn't.

[maczero]

If you like Bear's show better, fine, good on you, but don't try and imply that its a more factual show and offers better survival tips and knowledge than Survivorman, because it doesn't or that you or your redneck friends can do what Les Stroud does, because you know damn well you couldn't.Umm.... isn't that the point of Survivorman. He passes on survival techniques. If people couldn't do them then it really isn't all that informational. Whether the poster you're referring to already possesses such knowledge, then that's another matter.

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holey crap, I just read an interview in the paper today with Survivorman that said Les was 45 years old. I knew he was not young, but that's older than I expected! :)

[OhMyGato]

Sorry for the thread bump...but the man vs. wild thread is locked and i didnt want tos tart a new one. If anyone is interested the premiere for season 2 of Man vs Wild starts tonight at 9...i've always found the show entertaining as hell no matter what was said, and this sahara episode seems like it might be more of the same old good stuff.

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sry, but I HAD to post this. :wink:



HAHA!!! What...a...jackass!!! :biggrin:

http://www.oliviamunn.com/man-vs-wild-star-airlifted-to-england-after-severe-injury/#comments

[nervmeister]

Plus, in spite of all the extraordinary stuff he accomplishes, he just seems so human.That's the point. He trying to show that ordinary joes like you and me can do these things.