Finale Episodes that . . .

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In this we look at a popular series , be it comedy or drama and explain the finale episode and why it sucked. So here I go with this thread.

Seinfeld

This was pretty much "The Comedy" of the 1990's. Seinfeld was a classic as its episodes like the Soup Nazi and others made it such an event driven show. Many would watch as the characters got involved in one crazy scheme after another . Its continuty also made it fun to watch as events from seasons past would impact later at times.

But in 1998 , Jerry Seinfeld walked away after a 9 year run wanting the show to go out on top. He had taken over as showrunner following Larry David's departure in Season #7 and the amount of work may have led to this decision. Even though NBC was tossing a small fortune at him to stay.

The last episode was an attempt to lure back every noticeable name from years past who had been impacted by the 4 . The bizzare episode had the 4 on trial for not being human and mocking someone. The towns laws would make them an example of and the 1 hour episode had everyone show up at some point who had crossed paths with Jerry , Kramer, Elaine and George.

But it just didn't take. The episode became so mocked because it tried to hard and the ending was an unsatisfying exit to fans of the show. Many of them wanted perhaps Jerry and Eliane to finally perhaps cross the line and get enganged or something.

Instead it tried to go out in a Seinfeld way. And it just never clicked as they thought it would. Maybe one day Seinfeld and David will do a reunion show and fix some of the errors that final episode.

[Thorlief]

X-Files is one fo the worst I've ever seen. Truth unwrapped? More a wrapped mess actually

[TheLazy]

DS9 such a great series ended with such a wussiefied episode.

[ChrisIII]

The apocalyptic anime mecha series NEON GENESIS EVANGELION infamously closed with two episodes that took place inside the main character's head.


A movie was made to attempt to make some sense out of the ending, and also featured some mecha action, but still left people scratching their heads.

Now another movie is being made that might try to fix that...

ALF also ended with Alf being captured. Although a TV movie revealing ALF's fate was made ten years later.


Part of the added problem with the Seinfeld finale is that it was largely a retrospective, when on the original air date of the finale a retrospective special had just aired before the finale. So in '98we basically got two clip shows back to back.

[Alex]

A movie was made to attempt to make some sense out of the ending, and also featured some mecha action, but still left people scratching their heads.


The movie was made to piss on the fans, imo.

[Brock]

After seeing Larry David's attempted series finale for Curb Your Enthusiasm in season 5, I really think that crafting finales is his major weak point. (BTW I know that Curb is coming back for season 6 this September, but he did consider season 5 to be the last one at the time).

David is just too pessimistic and mean spirited, he wants the main characters to get punished no matter what. While this makes for excellent comedy when the series is in full swing, it does leave on a sour note if its the last time we see the characters.

Why should Jerry and co go to jail while Newman, The Soup Nazi and the Bubble Boy and others remain free to get away with behaving as badly as ever?

Why should Cheryl and Richard Lewis get away with their horrible betrayals of Larry while he lays on his deathbed?

these scenarios are bleakly funny, up to a point. But if the triumph of betrayal and injustice are his final statement then you do have to wonder about how he sees humanity?

[jesse_custer]

The episode became so mocked because it tried to hard and the ending was an unsatisfying exit to fans of the show. Many of them wanted perhaps Jerry and Eliane to finally perhaps cross the line and get enganged or something.

What the hell.

Let me say that again: What the hell. Seinfeld isn't Friends. If that's what so many fans really wanted, then I'm curious as to why they even like Seinfeld.

[SlightlyMad]

I think the finale for Curb Your Enthusiasm season 4 was a great way to finish the series: Larry on top & Mel Brookes' scheme backfiring on him (showing the wholes season to be a build-up to single punch line). Season 5, whilst still enjoyable, was not as strong as past seasons, but I thought the finale was the high point (outside of the DVD cover which is cool & creepy):

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Curb-Your-Enthusiasm-Poster-C12178641.jpeg

[jesse_custer]

The season finale for season 3 of Curb was the best of the series by far.

[Toku King]

The "Angel" series finale.
The end of the world comes, and Angel ends it with "Let's get to work". Wtf? I expected something better than that! It wasn't even an ending!

[Tazirai]

The "Angel" series finale.
The end of the world comes, and Angel ends it with "Let's get to work". Wtf? I expected something better than that! It wasn't even an ending!


I actually loved that ending.. Made it seem like there were more stories to tell.
But they just werent going to do it on television.

Ds9's ending was pretty weak, so was SG1. Most series just dont know how to find that right spot to end a show.

X-files has to be the greatest example of a premise gone terribly wrong.
That ending did absolutely nothing for me. Except leave a bad taste in my mouth for more X-files.

[titanfan]

"Xena" series finale.

Apparently, the creator felt that the only way that Xena could be redeemed was through her violent death. I guess that was one interpretation, but that really sucked and was a sad one.

[Jmacq1]

In all fairness, SG-1 didn't really get enough advance notice to make a proper series finale. Hance the reason they're doing two TV/Direct-to-DVD movies to wrap up a lot of the dangling plotlines.

I thought the final episode was an above-average episode, but no...not really a good "finale."

[Sean Walsh]

CAROLINE IN THE CITY.

I forget all the details, and thank God for that, but I just remember watching the final moments of that final episode (Caroline at the altar, and that weird dude friend of hers showing up in the church with his kid) and saying (quite loudly) "WHAT THE **** WAS THAT?!"


"Xena" series finale.

Apparently, the creator felt that the only way that Xena could be redeemed was through her violent death. I guess that was one interpretation, but that really sucked and was a sad one.

I greatly disliked the last season of that show. Putting them in "carbon freeze" (or however they got into the future without aging) just sucked hard. And the episode they killed Joxer was when I stopped watching for good.

[saintsaucey]

I liked the season finalle of DS9 and Seinfeld gets better each time you rewatch it. I'll agree X-Files sucked balls. a friends once suggested X-Files should have ended on the big reveil that Mulder was just a crazy Janitor at a high school telling crazy stories to anyone who would listen.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

The "Angel" series finale.
The end of the world comes, and Angel ends it with "Let's get to work". Wtf? I expected something better than that! It wasn't even an ending!

That was arguably one of the greatest, ballsiets, coolest endings EVER!

I would have puked my intestines had it ended with the gang growing happily old besides their loved ones at the fireplace, surrounded by dozens of happy children.

[Thorlief]

I liked the season finalle of DS9 and Seinfeld gets better each time you rewatch it. I'll agree X-Files sucked balls. a friends once suggested X-Files should have ended on the big reveil that Mulder was just a crazy Janitor at a high school telling crazy stories to anyone who would listen.

yep, thats not the first time I hear about it. I remember someone saying it was all Mulder's imagination..X-Files was one of those shows in which the creator went too far with the twists and couldnt find a proper explanation for the mysteries he developed. I foresee Lost will follow that idiotic path even though having already extabilished when it will end is giving us hope

[JohnPopa]

What the hell.

Let me say that again: What the hell. Seinfeld isn't Friends. If that's what so many fans really wanted, then I'm curious as to why they even like Seinfeld.

I agree. I don't know anyone who watched Seinfeld who even vaguely cared about Jerry and Elaine getting together at the end. Everyone I know was craving more Puddy!

[Murrocko]

That was arguably one of the greatest, ballsiets, coolest endings EVER!

I agree with that totally.


The only I felt that was lacking was The Soprano's. I understand it completely I just wish we got a different one

[Legato]

That was arguably one of the greatest, ballsiets, coolest endings EVER!

I would have puked my intestines had it ended with the gang growing happily old besides their loved ones at the fireplace, surrounded by dozens of happy children.

Im a sucker for happy endings as long as it's not sappy but that ending for Angel was pretty much satisfying. I commend Joss for not going with the cliched ending whare good triumphs over evil.

[brundlefly]

yep, thats not the first time I hear about it. I remember someone saying it was all Mulder's imagination..X-Files was one of those shows in which the creator went too far with the twists and couldnt find a proper explanation for the mysteries he developed. I foresee Lost will follow that idiotic path even though having already extabilished when it will end is giving us hope

Carter allegedly had a plan/outline for a five-year X-Files run that would cohere and tell a complete story, but he kept taking FOX's money and saying 'yes' to more seasons instead (as well as paying more attention to other projects, like Millennium & the X-Files movie). As a result, the series got dragged out to nine seasons and the attempts to drag out the central storylines just made them maddeningly incomprehensible. They lost their way long before the weak finale. Like you, the fact that Lost has announced a definitive end date (let's see if they stick to it, though) gives me hope that they won't share the X-Files' fate. That is, going out with an unsatisfying whimper, long after everyone has stopped caring what the big answers were.

[J. Robb]

I think the Seinfeld's finale major problem was that the four main characters spent most of it just sitting there doing and saying very little. They were the reason we loved the show, they should have been the focus of the finale, not just spectators like us.

As for the X-Files...

Carter allegedly had a plan/outline for a five-year X-Files run that would cohere and tell a complete story, but he kept taking FOX's money and saying 'yes' to more seasons instead (as well as paying more attention to other projects, like Millennium & the X-Files movie). As a result, the series got dragged out to nine seasons and the attempts to drag out the central storylines just made them maddeningly incomprehensible.
Here's what I don't get: why not just end the main story, then (gasp) start a new one? Do TV writers have so little imagination that they have to confine shows to a single storyarc?

[RichStanz]

After seeing Larry David's attempted series finale for Curb Your Enthusiasm in season 5, I really think that crafting finales is his major weak point. (BTW I know that Curb is coming back for season 6 this September, but he did consider season 5 to be the last one at the time).

David is just too pessimistic and mean spirited, he wants the main characters to get punished no matter what. While this makes for excellent comedy when the series is in full swing, it does leave on a sour note if its the last time we see the characters.

Why should Jerry and co go to jail while Newman, The Soup Nazi and the Bubble Boy and others remain free to get away with behaving as badly as ever?

Why should Cheryl and Richard Lewis get away with their horrible betrayals of Larry while he lays on his deathbed?

these scenarios are bleakly funny, up to a point. But if the triumph of betrayal and injustice are his final statement then you do have to wonder about how he sees humanity?

I still remember Entertainment Weekly's review of that episode:
the problem they had with the finale was that, it was too excessively mean-spirited. At the end of every episode, the Jerry and Co. did always suffer their appropriate punishments. Their lives and friendships together were the prison. Larry David never needed to go overboard with literal jail time.

[Chiasm]

Veronica Mars hands down.

It was a great season finale and was easily the best episode of the season. But as a series finale it just sucked due to the big cliffhangers and dangling plots. The creators knew that the odds were against them that they would get another season so they should have given us an ending that left us satisfied yet left things open for the future just in case. Kind of like Supernatural did which was another bubble show. It wrapped things up neatly yet left the door open wide for future plotlines.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

What the hell.

Let me say that again: What the hell. Seinfeld isn't Friends. If that's what so many fans really wanted, then I'm curious as to why they even like Seinfeld.

Jerry really didn't get close to a woman as he did Elaine (usually something would drive him away after sleeping with them and he couldn't be friends either) and hell...the parents sorta knew the 2 should be togethor at some point.

Hell as a funny sorta nod to "Mad About You" they had George and Susan watch it. The shows producers when they launched Mad About You , described the comedy as perhaps Jerry and Elaine finally get married. Thats how some critics reviewed it as well.

When the plane looks to be crashing Elaine and Jerry both seem close to telling each other they love each other.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I agree. I don't know anyone who watched Seinfeld who even vaguely cared about Jerry and Elaine getting together at the end. Everyone I know was craving more Puddy!

Puddy was ok and he made me laugh with his whole demeaner. I loved the painted face episode. I remember many critics not liking that when Elaine and Jerry nearly die...they are so close to saying they love each other. Its a shame we couldn't see a conclusion on that.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Roseanne rose as one of the best working stiff comedies of the late 80's/90's era. She was loud and bossy and both looked like the people from small town America you'd see . They had many good shows and battled many problems as typical TV families do.

But backstage Roseanne was waging a war at times. If per say she didn't agree with the TV writers , she'd fire them. She'd fire producers and name herself one. ABC not wanting to upset the ratings applecart allowed Rosie for years to dictate and run the show like her kingdom.

If her hubby wanted a job. Then so be it. If he wanted a spin-off the pressure was put on ABC by Rosie to do it. When she divorced him she wrote him off in the craziest way possible to mock him. She was the boss.

If a final episode jumped the shark....it should be a final season in this case! By year #8 John Goodman wanted to move on. Of course Roseanne and ABC tried to keep him and Goodman agreed to 10 to 12 episodes that final year.

So Rosie demanded a new edgy storyline where Dan Conner suffers a heart attack and has to heal. Then in a shocker Dan commits adultry and cheats on Roseanne wanting to leave her. I remember the savage beatdown this took critics wise as Goodman's "Conner" was so beloved that no one wanted this.

The worst was yet to come. In another shocker Roseanne bought a lottery ticket , and won millions. Dumped Dan somewhere , went on lavish trips and tried to recreate TV moments from I Love Lucy ! The ratings went into a freefall and even with rumors Rosie wanted a year #10 with her and son DJ living in Los Vegas , ABC finally told her...NO. She had ruined the show finally.

The final episode to pretty much be a mercy killing , ended where Roseanne claimed she had never won the lottery. That Dan sadly died that day last year and her anger made her say he had cheated with another woman (to restore Conner's good name I suppose after the crap). The show ended as Rosie watched TV alone as she had finally wrote a book about her life.

It was ...too little too late. And the show ended on such a sad depressing note after a season of crap.

[lonewolf23k]

I think the finale episode to Digimon Adventures 02 sucked.. The Fast Forward just had a whole lot of jumped sharks.. Matt becoming an astronaut? Tai becoming a UN diplomat (and cutting his hair? WTF?) And perhaps worst, Kari and TK not ending up together?

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, the epilogue to that series should never have been.

[Murrocko]

I think the finale episode to Digimon Adventures 02 sucked.. The Fast Forward just had a whole lot of jumped sharks.. Matt becoming an astronaut? Tai becoming a UN diplomat (and cutting his hair? WTF?) And perhaps worst, Kari and TK not ending up together?

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, the epilogue to that series should never have been.

Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-huh? When'd this happen? Was that the second season finally with the kid with V-Mon or did Digimon eventually go back to the orginal cast at some point?

[lonewolf23k]

Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-huh? When'd this happen? Was that the second season finally with the kid with V-Mon or did Digimon eventually go back to the orginal cast at some point?

Yes, it was the season with Veemon, and his partner Davis (american names), and yes it did include the original cast, now a bit older. I have a lot more beefs with the series and it's finale..
-Sora ends up with Matt, not Tai.
-TK falls for some completly random Digi-destined french girl
-Daemon, a much hyped villain half-way through the season, simply gets dumped into the Grey Sea. Dagomon gets hinted at as a potential Big Bad, and who ends up being the final villain? Myotismon making an unforseen comeback as a possessing spirit inside the human badguy... I'm sorry, but 'bwa? :confused:

The epilogue was just the final insult.

[Legato]

Dragonball Z: IMO it should have end with the Cell Saga, the Cell Saga was the perfect send off for DBZ. The other Z-fighters got their chance to shine, Goku did the good fatherly thing by passing the torch to his son, and Krillen got the happy ending by ending up with Android 18.

But it didn't end that way. Instead another Saga was made in the form of the Buu Saga. Gohan went from a guy who was supposed to have surpassed his father to a guy who got punked out by Buu while his little brother Goten had a much better showing than he did.

Also you have the other Z-fighters who was reduced to cannon fodder for the villains to easily smack down. What really got me was that Goku practically abandoned his family so that he can train some kid named Uub who was the reincarnation of the enemy that Goku defeated.

The less said about GT the better.

[IamtheRock3]

In all fairness, SG-1 didn't really get enough advance notice to make a proper series finale. Hance the reason they're doing two TV/Direct-to-DVD movies to wrap up a lot of the dangling plotlines.

I thought the final episode was an above-average episode, but no...not really a good "finale."

A violent death where she had to die in battl

thus killig at lot of guys she was trying to help so she can die during a fight

Which odd morality there

[IamtheRock3]

didnt Reboot have a DOWNER ending

so did Dinasours

[Legato]

didnt Reboot have a DOWNER ending

so did Dinasours

The reboot series continued after that supposed final episode you mentioned. Dinosuars finale Im not too familiar with.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Dragonball Z: IMO it should have end with the Cell Saga, the Cell Saga was the perfect send off for DBZ. The other Z-fighters got their chance to shine, Goku did the good fatherly thing by passing the torch to his son, and Krillen got the happy ending by ending up with Android 18.

But it didn't end that way. Instead another Saga was made in the form of the Buu Saga. Gohan went from a guy who was supposed to have surpassed his father to a guy who got punked out by Buu while his little brother Goten had a much better showing than he did.

Also you have the other Z-fighters who was reduced to cannon fodder for the villains to easily smack down. What really got me was that Goku practically abandoned his family so that he can train some kid named Uub who was the reincarnation of the enemy that Goku defeated.

The less said about GT the better.

Whoa!
To think I gave up on the series halfway through the Cell saga....

Now I know what I´ve missed.

[Legato]

Whoa!
To think I gave up on the series halfway through the Cell saga....

Now I know what I´ve missed.

I remember debating with my friend over which saga should have ended. He said the Frieza Saga and he made some valid points as to why but I felt that the Cell Saga had alot of interesting plot elements involved.

[lonewolf23k]

The reboot series continued after that supposed final episode you mentioned. Dinosuars finale Im not too familiar with.

Actually, when Reboot came back, it was followed by two movies; "Daemon Rising" and "My Two Bobs", the last of which also ended on a cliffhanger with Megabyte having taken over the Principal Office, announcing to all "Now Begins the Hunt."

...We never got to see that final confrontation, since Season 5 has never gone into production...

[Knightmare10880]

Roseanne rose as one of the best working stiff comedies of the late 80's/90's era. She was loud and bossy and both looked like the people from small town America you'd see . They had many good shows and battled many problems as typical TV families do.

But backstage Roseanne was waging a war at times. If per say she didn't agree with the TV writers , she'd fire them. She'd fire producers and name herself one. ABC not wanting to upset the ratings applecart allowed Rosie for years to dictate and run the show like her kingdom.

If her hubby wanted a job. Then so be it. If he wanted a spin-off the pressure was put on ABC by Rosie to do it. When she divorced him she wrote him off in the craziest way possible to mock him. She was the boss.

If a final episode jumped the shark....it should be a final season in this case! By year #8 John Goodman wanted to move on. Of course Roseanne and ABC tried to keep him and Goodman agreed to 10 to 12 episodes that final year.

So Rosie demanded a new edgy storyline where Dan Conner suffers a heart attack and has to heal. Then in a shocker Dan commits adultry and cheats on Roseanne wanting to leave her. I remember the savage beatdown this took critics wise as Goodman's "Conner" was so beloved that no one wanted this.

The worst was yet to come. In another shocker Roseanne bought a lottery ticket , and won millions. Dumped Dan somewhere , went on lavish trips and tried to recreate TV moments from I Love Lucy ! The ratings went into a freefall and even with rumors Rosie wanted a year #10 with her and son DJ living in Los Vegas , ABC finally told her...NO. She had ruined the show finally.

The final episode to pretty much be a mercy killing , ended where Roseanne claimed she had never won the lottery. That Dan sadly died that day last year and her anger made her say he had cheated with another woman (to restore Conner's good name I suppose after the crap). The show ended as Rosie watched TV alone as she had finally wrote a book about her life.

It was ...too little too late. And the show ended on such a sad depressing note after a season of crap.


You know after re-watching the final season again, I think that the season's biggest problem was that for every step in the right the direction it took three in the wrong direction.

First off with Dan's near death, this once again showed that no matter what the Conners stuck together and faced their problems head on.

Then having them win the lottery, which I know alot of pople hated this idea but I really loved it. After all these years of hardships the Conner Family finally caught a break, but it didn't make thier lives any easier especially with the events surrounding the birth of Darlene and David's daughter; but once again after all their problems the Conners came back together and stood firm.

Now about Dan's cheating on his wife, good people make mistakes. And Dan stayed true to character and admitted the affair to Roseanne. And to me they dealt with it in a realistic way. Plus it gave the show a chance to tell different stories and slowly have Roseanne and Dan get back together. Plus also having Roseanne tempted by the James Brolin character was a nice touch.

As for Roseanne and Jackie's trip this to me was a big mistake, not the intire thing but overall it let the show go off into direction that just didn't feel right especially the "Under Seige 2" episode but, the episodes dealing with the Roseanne and Jackie's brutally honest blue collar life style clashing with the prim and proper high soceity was fun to watch.

The end of the series finale to me was the worst part, it felt like a complete copout and ever since I first watched it I always turn the channel before the last ten minutes of the series. I would have preferred that the series end with the family looking towards the future and now since they had won the lottery having the ability to finally give their kids and gandchildren the oppertunites that they always wanted to be able to give.

[Jazzy Jay]

-TK falls for some completly random Digi-destined french girl


I'm confused, did he end up with her in the epilogue?

Anyways, I honestly didn't think the Seinfield finale was terrible, but it could have been better. I didn't care about Jerry and Elaine getting together, but as J. Robb said, the main characters just sat around while the guest stars just rehashed old moments.

[Kirayoshi]

Hell as a funny sorta nod to "Mad About You" they had George and Susan watch it. The shows producers when they launched Mad About You , described the comedy as perhaps Jerry and Elaine finally get married. Thats how some critics reviewed it as well.Which brings me to the finale for Mad About You. Set thirty years or so later, at a point where Paul and Jamie barely tolerate each other, and their daughter is a neurotic who blames her screwed up parents for her neurosis(and is played by Janine Garafolo).

This didn't jibe with the show as I remember it(I admit that missed some of the last season or so). Paul Reiser and Helen Hunt played a genuinely loving husband and wife; not just sexually attracted to each other but a deeply committed married couple. They were flawed, they made mistakes, but they made it through the rough patches to remain together. The end showed an entirely different couple; not just two people who fell out of love, but two people who, in all likelihood, never loved(or even liked) each other to begin with. It was either way OOC or a sad commentary on love and marriage in modern times. Either way, it was a disappointing ending.

[Nate Grey]

I loved DS9's ending, I just hated they couldn't use any footage of Terry Farrel in the ending montages.

Voyager, though...while it was neat seeing Older Janeway call Younger Janeway an idealistic fool (or something to that effect), it still felt like TNG's "All Good Thing's..." part 2 mixed with First Contact. So much for the Caretaker.

Hated with a passion the season finale of Earth: Final Conflict. The whole FINAL season as a matter of fact. The season finale of season four would have been a great coda for the series if it had stopped right there.

[Nate Grey]

Which brings me to the finale for Mad About You. Set thirty years or so later, at a point where Paul and Jamie barely tolerate each other, and their daughter is a neurotic who blames her screwed up parents for her neurosis(and is played by Janine Garafolo).

This didn't jibe with the show as I remember it(I admit that missed some of the last season or so). Paul Reiser and Helen Hunt played a genuinely loving husband and wife; not just sexually attracted to each other but a deeply committed married couple. They were flawed, they made mistakes, but they made it through the rough patches to remain together. The end showed an entirely different couple; not just two people who fell out of love, but two people who, in all likelihood, never loved(or even liked) each other to begin with. It was either way OOC or a sad commentary on love and marriage in modern times. Either way, it was a disappointing ending.

Yeah, and what was up with her making him get a vasectomy and reversing it over and over again? Was that supposed to be funny? :confused:

[brundlefly]

As for the X-Files...
Here's what I don't get: why not just end the main story, then (gasp) start a new one? Do TV writers have so little imagination that they have to confine shows to a single storyarc?

I would have preferred that approach, bringing the Aliens/Syndicate/Mulder's sister storylines to actual conclusions and then moving forward with new ideas, new characters, whatever. With a clean slate, it would be easier to give the new direction the benefit of the doubt. Instead, the underhanded way they tried to approach a new direction (Mulder & Scully investigate the alien conspiracy becomes Doggett & Reyes investigate the "supersoldier" conspiracy) was without actually ending the original storyline. :evilangry The motive there was obviously to continue withholding the long-awaited "answers" from longtime viewers in order to keep them watching this "new" X-Files in the hopes of some eventual closure on the Mulder/Scully era storylines. It was a cheap, mercenary move and the point that I checked out of the series for good (only returning to watch the car-wreck that was the series finale).

[Toku King]

Yes, it was the season with Veemon, and his partner Davis (american names), and yes it did include the original cast, now a bit older. I have a lot more beefs with the series and it's finale..
-Sora ends up with Matt, not Tai.
-TK falls for some completly random Digi-destined french girl
-Daemon, a much hyped villain half-way through the season, simply gets dumped into the Grey Sea. Dagomon gets hinted at as a potential Big Bad, and who ends up being the final villain? Myotismon making an unforseen comeback as a possessing spirit inside the human badguy... I'm sorry, but 'bwa? :confused:

The epilogue was just the final insult.

I never saw a Daemon episode. Heck this is the first time I heard that he was really in the series!
They never did finish the Dagomon idea, did they? Just a shadow of him. The fact that that was never solved was just really stupid.

[Captain Smith]

Does anyone remember Forever Knight - the Canadian vampire show? The end was one of the most depressing bloodbaths ever.

I also thought StarTrek TNG kind of petered out.

[Sean Walsh]

The only I felt that was lacking was The Soprano's. I understand it completely I just wish we got a different one

But it did provide one of the funniest ONION articles I've ever seen: "James Gandolfini shot dead in NJ restaurant." (by fan who "needed the resolution THAT BAD")

[Nate Grey]

I would have preferred that approach, bringing the Aliens/Syndicate/Mulder's sister storylines to actual conclusions and then moving forward with new ideas, new characters, whatever. With a clean slate, it would be easier to give the new direction the benefit of the doubt. Instead, the underhanded way they tried to approach a new direction (Mulder & Scully investigate the alien conspiracy becomes Doggett & Reyes investigate the "supersoldier" conspiracy) was without actually ending the original storyline. :evilangry The motive there was obviously to continue withholding the long-awaited "answers" from longtime viewers in order to keep them watching this "new" X-Files in the hopes of some eventual closure on the Mulder/Scully era storylines. It was a cheap, mercenary move and the point that I checked out of the series for good (only returning to watch the car-wreck that was the series finale).

Dude...I am so with you on this. I mean the season finale for seaon 8 was SO PERFECT...it was the perfect way to write out Mulder and Scully, and SEEMED to set up Doggit and Reyes as the new main heroes. Where Mulder and Scully tackled the alien consipiracy (which would/should have ended with season 8), Doggit and Reyes would handle the supernatural/spiritual mysteries for season 9 and beyond, with Doggit as the skeptic and Reyes as the believer. Mulder and/or Scully would only appear ONCE per season from that point on since it would have been Reyes/Doggits show and storylines, but...well, you saw what we got instead.

[Deep_Sleeper]

That was arguably one of the greatest, ballsiets, coolest endings EVER!

I would have puked my intestines had it ended with the gang growing happily old besides their loved ones at the fireplace, surrounded by dozens of happy children.

Gotta agree with this sentiment. I don't think there could have been a more satisfying and fitting end to Angel than that last episode. Perfection, IMO.

As for bad endings...also gotta agree with the majority. X-Files. WOW! What a crap ending.

[Chiasm]

Alias had a pretty meh finale with only one real good part.

Not only did it not make a lot of sense given past character development in terms of Irina Bristow, it was a very meh climax between Sydney and Irina.

And while the whole series suffered much from the endless Rambaldi plots, I think the whole Sloane becoming immortal bit was too much. Although the one cool part and one of the coolest send offs for a character was when Jack Bristow blew himself and Sloane up underground to bury the now immortal Sloane under tons of rock saying "you may have defeated death Arvin, but you haven't defeated me."

[KenK]

Does anyone remember Forever Knight - the Canadian vampire show? The end was one of the most depressing bloodbaths ever.

"Damn, You Nicholas."

Couldn't have done it any better than that, IMO.

[90'sCartoonMan]

DS9 such a great series ended with such a wussiefied episode.

How was it wussiefied?

CAROLINE IN THE CITY.

I forget all the details, and thank God for that, but I just remember watching the final moments of that final episode (Caroline at the altar, and that weird dude friend of hers showing up in the church with his kid) and saying (quite loudly) "WHAT THE **** WAS THAT?!"

I think the Caroline finale was...okay. I mean, the reason she and Richard broke up was because he wasn't sure he wanted children, but then it turned out his ex-wife did have his kid. By then, Caroline was already about to marry someone else. Richard showed up with his kid as a way of telling Caroline he was ready, so she ended up leaving the wedding and, presumably, they got back together.

[Jared]

Gotta agree with this sentiment. I don't think there could have been a more satisfying and fitting end to Angel than that last episode. Perfection, IMO.


Only two things bugged me about that finale. One; that Wesley had such a poor plan to assassinate the sorceror, and he was the only one to fail at his mission. Two; there hadn't been more time to establish The Black Thorn members and their importance. I think only one of them had ever appeared before the last few episodes of season five.

[Nate Grey]

Only two things bugged me about that finale. One; that Wesley had such a poor plan to assassinate the sorceror, and he was the only one to fail at his mission. Two; there hadn't been more time to establish The Black Thorn members and their importance. I think only one of them had ever appeared before the last few episodes of season five.

Hmmm...going by memory:

The dude Angel killed: when Lorne had his sleep removed and threw a big party, he showed up. He's the one who put it back into Lorne if I'm not mistaken, saying because of that Angel owed him one.

The devil guy Illyria killed: Angel played raquet ball with him once. And I think he was used as a sight gag prior: Angel said to one of his team its not like we're working for the devil and then he walks by saying hi.

The senator Gunn killed: After Gunn got back into the saddle after having been stabbed by Wes, he sat in on a meeting with Angel and the senator. Now this was when Angel was starting to go all dark side and didn't decide to tell anyone till later. The senator said something like "I didn't crawl out of hell and get installed into this body to lose to a pedophile." Gunn said her opponent wasn't a pedophile, and she said not yet, and that she wanted to hire WR&H to alter reality or something to make it seem that way.

The demons Spike killed: In the ep where Illyria almost exploded, a group of demons came there to see about a pregnant woman WR&H was taking care of. Her child was destined to be their messiah, whom they would raise to a certain age and then kill him. Spike in the final ep rescued the baby and killed them all.

The demons Lindsay and Lorne killed: one of the two groups of demons from the Harmony spotlight ep.

The wizard Wes was SUPPOSED to kill: same one who altered Connor's memories, as well as the memories of everyone who knew him. His first ep was the same first ep for Connor since the season 4 finale.

So yeah, actually they had all been introduced early in the season except for the Fell demons (the ones Spike killed) and the senator.

[The Punished]

Miami Vice

It began and ended so very much like the 80's all style changing all around it and ended so sad and pale of what it once was

[Enigmanaut]

For my money, nothing tops MANTIS for a truly sucktacular ending.

I mean, the show wasn't that good to begin with. It wasn't completely brainless and worthless like many shows of the day, but it was far from "can't miss" viewing... and when it came to its close, it didn't bother me much. It didn't bother me much until I saw the unholy horror that was it's final episode.

It wasn't that MANTIS himself died in the episode (he did). It wasn't that his girlfriend died along with him (she did). It was that both of them died killing a rogue Tyrannosaurus Rex that was... wait for it... invisible. Yes, an invisible T-Rex was rampaging through MANTIS's city, creating invisible carnage with its invisible feet and teeth.

They didn't have the budget for a T-Rex, see... So, they decided, instead of making a story that didn't call for a T-Rex, they'd make it invisible, and thusly save themselves the bother of rewriting it.

Yeah. Top that for crap.

[Kirayoshi]

Actually, when Reboot came back, it was followed by two movies; "Daemon Rising" and "My Two Bobs", the last of which also ended on a cliffhanger with Megabyte having taken over the Principal Office, announcing to all "Now Begins the Hunt."

...We never got to see that final confrontation, since Season 5 has never gone into production...
Didn't the show's fourth season end with the bit-programs performing a reenactment of the main storyline to the tune of Modern Major General? I thought that was screamingly funny.

Does anyone remember Forever Knight - the Canadian vampire show? The end was one of the most depressing bloodbaths ever.
Oh hell yeah! Talk about ending on a down note!

[Ben Morgan]

Seinfeld. I'm normally against clip shows as series finales, and I didn't like this anyway. It would be good for a normal episode, but not a good way to end the series

[Serik]

Arrested Development.

The characters totally changed during the last few episodes, mostly for the worst: Michael genuinely hating the family, George Sr. becoming some bumbling puppet for the evil genius Lucille, Annyong spying on the family as a government agent avenging his parents' deportation at the hands of the Bluths...it was all too much.

The Bluths were never a lovable family -- after all, it was their nonstop selfishness and spiteful behavior that made the show funny. But there were still moments where the family wasn't all bad, where they stuck together.

Not so during the finale. I hated the characters at that point.

But in its defense, plot lines had to be hastily wrapped up because FOX axed the show :(

[Tien Long]

For my money, nothing tops MANTIS for a truly sucktacular ending.

I mean, the show wasn't that good to begin with. It wasn't completely brainless and worthless like many shows of the day, but it was far from "can't miss" viewing... and when it came to its close, it didn't bother me much. It didn't bother me much until I saw the unholy horror that was it's final episode.

It wasn't that MANTIS himself died in the episode (he did). It wasn't that his girlfriend died along with him (she did). It was that both of them died killing a rogue Tyrannosaurus Rex that was... wait for it... invisible. Yes, an invisible T-Rex was rampaging through MANTIS's city, creating invisible carnage with its invisible feet and teeth.

They didn't have the budget for a T-Rex, see... So, they decided, instead of making a story that didn't call for a T-Rex, they'd make it invisible, and thusly save themselves the bother of rewriting it.

Yeah. Top that for crap.

I totally agree. No heroic final battle, no huge revelation, just a stupid death trying to stop a FRIGGIN' INVISIBLE DINOSAUR!!!!

[founder81]

Dragonball Z: IMO it should have end with the Cell Saga, the Cell Saga was the perfect send off for DBZ. The other Z-fighters got their chance to shine, Goku did the good fatherly thing by passing the torch to his son, and Krillen got the happy ending by ending up with Android 18.

But it didn't end that way. Instead another Saga was made in the form of the Buu Saga. Gohan went from a guy who was supposed to have surpassed his father to a guy who got punked out by Buu while his little brother Goten had a much better showing than he did.

Also you have the other Z-fighters who was reduced to cannon fodder for the villains to easily smack down. What really got me was that Goku practically abandoned his family so that he can train some kid named Uub who was the reincarnation of the enemy that Goku defeated.

The less said about GT the better.

iirc - DBZ was supposed to end with the Frieza Saga. The series was so popular the editors of the manga got both the Cell Saga and Buu saga before the creator put his foot down and said he was done. The TV people didn't accept that and made GT with no input at all from the creator.

The Buu saga from the perspective that "they want more, they're get more. Hey let's try - an unstoppable evil lovable blob, 2 people merging into one, even more big hair for power etc...." makes it a little different when you know the creator isn't taking it seriously.

[Gaastra]

Dinasours

They all freeze to death!

night court

We watch the whole series to see the judge get the girl only to have her dump him for the jerk lawyer!

Wild gunmen

They all die!

Earth 2

Ended in a huge cliffhanger.

sameri jack

He never got home.

St elsewere

The whole show was in a kids head?

[Kristofer]

Friends - Oh wow...never would've guessed THAT

The Venture Brothers - Oh ok, after two years of the jokes about Dr. Girlfriend really being a man...she and The Monarch are in the flying cocoon where she decides to reveal a BIG secret, we don't hear the secret just Monarch yelling... "WHAT ??!!"....oh yea, I was so pissed

X Files - Yea, I loved the series....even the episodes that made absolutely no sense whatsoever no matter how you pick at it....but the finale, yea, that pissed me off...

Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law - Philip Van Sebben is freaking dead....he was my favourite character

[Jared]

I totally agree. No heroic final battle, no huge revelation, just a stupid death trying to stop a FRIGGIN' INVISIBLE DINOSAUR!!!!

Wow, I never even knew that MANTIS had filmed a final episode. I thought it had just ended on a regular note. But that...that sounds pretty damn final.

[noh-varr]

Friends - Oh wow...never would've guessed THAT

The Venture Brothers - Oh ok, after two years of the jokes about Dr. Girlfriend really being a man...she and The Monarch are in the flying cocoon where she decides to reveal a BIG secret, we don't hear the secret just Monarch yelling... "WHAT ??!!"....oh yea, I was so pissed

X Files - Yea, I loved the series....even the episodes that made absolutely no sense whatsoever no matter how you pick at it....but the finale, yea, that pissed me off...

Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law - Philip Van Sebben is freaking dead....he was my favourite character

Venture Brothers is coming back, with I think two seasons guaranteed? I know at least the next one is but I'm pretty sure season 4 was promised too. But that ending is to make sure we talk about it until next season. I think season 1 ending was much more annoying, they KILLED Hank and Dean, with no follow up. How were we to know they were clones?

And Harvey Birdman is still yet to end, that's this coming Sunday, Phil may still be alive/be brought back. Or still dead, but that is a show I will miss.

[Kirayoshi]

sameri jack

He never got home.
Not yet anyway. But Genndy Tartakovsky will be working on a new Samurai Jack feature film, so we may see his final battle with Aku. They'll need to replace Aku's voice, though.

[slam]

The Arrested Development finale will never be deleted from my TiVo.

[Tobias March]

I've just remembered Freaks and Geeks. I went out and bought American Beauty by Grateful Dead afterwards. And the D&D scenes: "It is I Carlos the Dwarf." :D

Oh it sucks because this was the best damn show on tv at the time and was unfairly gutted.

And now? What is this - Seth Rogen and the team behind Freaks... managing to produce some of the top comedy films of the day. Hunh. Who'd a thunk it.

[stealthwise]

Duckman. It ends with a triple wedding out of nowhere, on a cliffhanger.

[hugh45]

Some odd choices here,I wonder if you agree with 'em.
http://tv.msn.com/tv/worst-finales-ever?GT1=7703

1. Which of these TV shows had the worst series finale?
1. "The Sopranos"
36%
2. "The X-Files"
6%
3. "St. Elsewhere"
5%
4. "Roseanne"
10%
5. "Gilligan's Island"
7%
6. "Quantum Leap"
4%
7. "Seinfeld"
32%

74697 responses, not scientifically valid, results updated every minute.

[Cyke]

Enterprise above them all. Even if it were a standalone episode, it failed on so many levels, nevermind being a series finale.

And i liked the X-Files finale, too.

[Schornforce]

Without having seen it, I vote for the Sopranos, as if I were a fan of the show, It'd piss me off to just black it out and leave a whole ton of stuff unresolved. It doesn't seem clever or artsy-- just annoying and rather insulting.

I remember enjoying the X-Files finale and getting a bit upset at the Quantum Leap one. I wasn't thrilled that Sam *never* got home. That seemed sorta mean-spirited.

A show that wasn't mentioned that I heard upset its fans is Xena. I think the comic is/was supposed to undo the ending of that finale somehow.

[Sijo]

St. Elsewhere tops them all. A Medical Soap Opera ends up by... revealing the ENTIRE series took place in an autistic child's imagination? WTH? :eek:

[Deathstroke]

Enterprise above them all. Even if it were a standalone episode, it failed on so many levels, nevermind being a series finale.

And i liked the X-Files finale, too.

Star Trek: Enterprise was indeed one of the worst finales ever.

[Deathstroke]

St. Elsewhere tops them all. A Medical Soap Opera ends up by... revealing the ENTIRE series took place in an autistic child's imagination? WTH? :eek:

While disappointing in one way, I thought it was a great finale.

[Siddon]

Roseanne was the worst finale ever. Oh yeah I became a writer and that person is gay, dead, alive with kids, different relationships.... just stupid really really stupid.

[Michael P]

I expected the X-Files finale to insult my intelligence.

I didn't expect it to insult my attention span.

[Toku King]

I think the finale episode to Digimon Adventures 02 sucked.. The Fast Forward just had a whole lot of jumped sharks.. Matt becoming an astronaut? Tai becoming a UN diplomat (and cutting his hair? WTF?) And perhaps worst, Kari and TK not ending up together?

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, the epilogue to that series should never have been.

And Malomyotismon was extremely anticlimactic. Especially since you only needed to beat him by having confidence.

[the goddamn batman]

Roseanne was the worst finale ever. Oh yeah I became a writer...

I've no interest in defending that episode, but Roseanne's character was always a writer.

[Jared]

I'm determined to find and view the final episode of M.A.N.T.I.S. I MUST see the hero meet his end via Invisible Tyranosaurus. Youtube has failed me, all I see are clips of Mantis kung fu, and the guy from Metal Gear Solid.

[DMike]

I've no interest in defending that episode, but Roseanne's character was always a writer.

Correction: Roseanne's character always wanted to be a writer but never did and left her writing room so unused that it was later made into another bedroom.

The thing that always bothered me about the retcon in the finale was switching the daughters' relationships with the Healy brothers. I can see Becky and David working despite the age difference (they actually had a crush on each other in Season 7, IIRC), but Darlene never would've tolerated Mark's bullshit, let alone have a child with him.

Meanwhile, I know the episodes aired out of order and ABC is picking the show up, but the last episode of Scrubs to air on NBC was groan-worthy. Not only did it imply that the whole season happened within a month (making baby Sam one bigass baby), not only did it have the gaping plot hole of Kelso still working at the hospital after being forcibly retired, the vast majority of the episode was a fairy tale that Dr. Cox was telling little Jack! JD, the main character for the past seven years, was reduced to a side character (and spent most of the story as a fairytale moron even dumber than the real JD), most of the real characters had nothing to do in the real plot, and oh yeah, the main story was a fairy tale about Dr. Cox beating the smoke monster from Lost while JD and Elliott did a bunch of stupid things along the way.

[Jared]

JD, the main character for the past seven years, was reduced to a side character (and spent most of the story as a fairytale moron even dumber than the real JD), most of the real characters had nothing to do in the real plot, and oh yeah, the main story was a fairy tale about Dr. Cox beating the smoke monster from Lost while JD and Elliott did a bunch of stupid things along the way.

(emphasis mine)

That sounds like a great episode to me. It's really coming back next year?

[Johnny_Luck]

How did Quantum Leap one of the best shows of all time with a brilliant heart felt ending get on a list poll for worst finales ever?

[the goddamn batman]

Correction: Roseanne's character always wanted to be a writer but never did and left her writing room so unused that it was later made into another bedroom.

That is what I meant. She wrote before she had three kids and always wanted to write again.

Meanwhile, I know the episodes aired out of order and ABC is picking the show up, but the last episode of Scrubs to air on NBC was groan-worthy.

I'd rather watch the musical or clip show episodes... Scrubs really has gone quite down hill.

[Toku King]

I'm determined to find and view the final episode of M.A.N.T.I.S. I MUST see the hero meet his end via Invisible Tyranosaurus.

That makes total..... Wait what?

[JDogindy]

The apocalyptic anime mecha series NEON GENESIS EVANGELION infamously closed with two episodes that took place inside the main character's head.


A movie was made to attempt to make some sense out of the ending, and also featured some mecha action, but still left people scratching their heads.

Now another movie is being made that might try to fix that...

ALF also ended with Alf being captured. Although a TV movie revealing ALF's fate was made ten years later.


Part of the added problem with the Seinfeld finale is that it was largely a retrospective, when on the original air date of the finale a retrospective special had just aired before the finale. So in '98we basically got two clip shows back to back.

1. Another reason why I hate Shinji Ikari. Yes, I'm among that camp that thinks Shinji is teh whiny emo wussy who sux. Okay, now that I admit that, I'm going back to being civilized.
2. The main issue with Seinfeld was that, while we knew that the characters weren't exactly kind and generous (as in "No Hugging, No Learning"), the way they were shown during the trial was that they looked like inhumane monsters. Of course, the logic to that is the prosecutor was going for "character", but still... mucked up mess.
3. I thought the Alf finale involved him finally getting that cat.

My main issue with a show's finale is when they leave a logical plothole that's hard to understand. I do believe that the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (the one with Urkel's voice) is an example of that.

[Stressfactor]

How did Quantum Leap one of the best shows of all time with a brilliant heart felt ending get on a list poll for worst finales ever?

Because it confused the heck out of a lot of people. Me included. It was never quite clear exactly what was going on, it was never clear if the figures Sam was interacting with were supposed to be 'God' and agents of God and if he, himself, truly was one of those agents now or not.

Also, a lot of people forget that Sam had a wife and that ending meant that SHE never got any closure because no one ever found out what happened to Sam. There were a lot of other questions that were left unanswered as well.

According to some sources the story was never MEANT to be a series finale anyway. Ratings were dropping and the story was SUPPOSED to be a slight change in direction and the episode would have ended on a season CLIFFHANGER. Instead, word came down that the series was to be cancelled so the episode was quickly slightly re-written to serve as a series ending.

In regards to REBOOT hopefully all that will soon be changed.....

[Stressfactor]

Didn't the show's fourth season end with the bit-programs performing a reenactment of the main storyline to the tune of Modern Major General? I thought that was screamingly funny.

Yes, but then there were either one or two animated movies following. In the last one "My Two Bobs" Dot starts having trouble adjusting to Bob's changed appearance from when he merged with his keytool. Glitch. Suddenly, a Guardian appears looking just like the way Bob used to look, sounding like him as well, and actually claiming to BE the real Bob. Dot falls in love with this Bob and Glitch-Bob attempts to separate himself and Glitch and return to his old appearance to win Dot back. The result fails and Glitch-Bob does into a strange, cocoon-like, coma. When Glitch-Bob finally emerged from the coma he is restored to his former appearance and Glitch is also restored and fully functioning again. Bob goes to stop Dot's wedding and, at the ceremony, it is revealed that the 'Bob' Dot was going to marry was in reality Megabyte. Not only has the evil virus returned, he is now a Trojan Horse virus and can make himself look like anyone else.

[NDHorse]

I've just remembered Freaks and Geeks. I went out and bought American Beauty by Grateful Dead afterwards. And the D&D scenes: "It is I Carlos the Dwarf." :D

Oh it sucks because this was the best damn show on tv at the time and was unfairly gutted.

And now? What is this - Seth Rogen and the team behind Freaks... managing to produce some of the top comedy films of the day. Hunh. Who'd a thunk it.

I just got done watching Freaks and Geeks again last night. AAAGGGHHH, I hate TV executives and people who don't support good shows. This should have gone on a lot longer. But then again, it is one perfect season of television.

[Toku King]

FOX's Spider-Man had an absolutely awful ending, which is fair since the seventh season's plot sounded even worse(Spider-Man traveling time).

[jesse_custer]

^Agreed. In fact, I got tired of Mary Jane leaving and coming back again toward the end of the series.

[Toku King]

^Agreed. In fact, I got tired of Mary Jane leaving and coming back again toward the end of the series.

Pretty much.
And what's worse than that? Spider-Man finding Mary Jane in the time of the Revolutionary War(with Madame Web magically not being anywhere in sight), Carnage appearing as a red coat, and Venom being a good guy.

Yes. I'm dead serious.

[jwd]

The "Angel" series finale.
The end of the world comes, and Angel ends it with "Let's get to work". Wtf? I expected something better than that! It wasn't even an ending!

I haven't read the entire thread but I love this ending. The whole point of it was that Angel had always been trying to reach the goal of being redeemed and becoming human. He finally realized he couldn't expect to save (X) amount of people and all is forgiven. He realizes its a battle that's unending so he went all out in the end.

I'd probably put X-Files near the top but then really the last several seasons went to crap.

Actually if I were going to pick one I'd say Buffy was one of my least favorites. You end up with a huge army of Slayers that basically overshadows the core Scooby group the entire season. In the end though it takes a giant necklace from another series to save the day. Big and exciting I suppose but I liked it better when it was mainly just Buffy and the Scooby gang fighting the forces of evil.

[The Zapper]

Deadwood deserved a much better ending.

[Omega Alpha]

What the hell.

Let me say that again: What the hell. Seinfeld isn't Friends. If that's what so many fans really wanted, then I'm curious as to why they even like Seinfeld.

Exactly. I loved the ending of Seinfeld. Yeah, it was bizarre, but not much more than the series itself was. It couldn't get much better, IMO>

[jesse_custer]

Deadwood deserved a much better ending.

It certainly deserved another season or two.

I thought the finale of season three, although not a holistic conclusion by any means, was great.

[twilight]

I didn't mind The Sopranos ending.

I did watch the whole series in the span of three months on DVD and I knew what happened at the end anyway so that probably softened the blow.

-Twi

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

I never liked Seinfeld. I saw the series finale and though, "Well, since I hated all the characters I don't care that they're in jail." Actually, if the characters on Friends met a similar fate I would have been similarly content. :) No, I don't think I'm mean-spirited, I just find that sit-com characters that writers and actors develop often seem like, well, selfish assholes to me so that it's a little hard to root for them. Can't really explain why.

I stopped watching X-FIles after the movie and after a few episodes of season 6. The more time goes by the more I realize I made the right decision. :eek: One or two episodes from later seasons were more than sufficient.

[stealthwise]

The main reason the Seinfeld finale sucked is because it was essentially a clip show, with the underlying tone being "look at how many guest stars we have!"

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The main reason the Seinfeld finale sucked is because it was essentially a clip show, with the underlying tone being "look at how many guest stars we have!"

And did nothing to be a finale for the characters at all. I still stand by it... the only woman Jerry stayed a friend with was Elaine . Usually his breakups would ruin things except for her all those years.

[stealthwise]

And did nothing to be a finale for the characters at all. I still stand by it... the only woman Jerry stayed a friend with was Elaine . Usually his breakups would ruin things except for her all those years.

Wait, do you actually think that Jerry should have ended up with Elaine?

That would have been terrible, and not fitting with the series at all.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I haven't read the entire thread but I love this ending. The whole point of it was that Angel had always been trying to reach the goal of being redeemed and becoming human. He finally realized he couldn't expect to save (X) amount of people and all is forgiven. He realizes its a battle that's unending so he went all out in the end.

I'd probably put X-Files near the top but then really the last several seasons went to crap.

Actually if I were going to pick one I'd say Buffy was one of my least favorites. You end up with a huge army of Slayers that basically overshadows the core Scooby group the entire season. In the end though it takes a giant necklace from another series to save the day. Big and exciting I suppose but I liked it better when it was mainly just Buffy and the Scooby gang fighting the forces of evil.

Yeah, I have to agree with that last part. I thought Buffy season 5 was the perfect series finale. From what I hear, it was meant to be the series finale.

[EZMOHR]

Yeah, I have to agree with that last part. I thought Buffy season 5 was the perfect series finale. From what I hear, it was meant to be the series finale.

I agree except for one thing......When Buffy died at the end of Season 5, and with Faith not coming out of prison....the world was left unprotected. It would've been a little depressing.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wait, do you actually think that Jerry should have ended up with Elaine?

That would have been terrible, and not fitting with the series at all.

I think they should have had the characters move in togethor. They could have swerved the marriage issue and did a take on it.. "Who says were getting married , did I say were getting married , no one said were getting married...just living togethor ..."

It would have been a funny episode to see Kramer and George's reaction to this "change" that was happening. The open ended part could be...could Jerry and Elaine manage to live togethor ?

Actually the final episode is something my brain cooked up one day...here is how I remembered I'd do it...and not do a clip show. I'd bring some old characters back in a fun way.


*******************************

Elaine learns that there is gonna be a space avliable in the apartment building Jerry is in. So she sells her apartment to George who weirdly meets Susan's cousin "Sara" who is Susan's twin nearly . (The actress who plays Susan can return for this)

Sara hits it off with George pretty well and the whole rest room talk back in Season 7 is done and Sara allows it to continue . Which ...impresses George. She reveals she always had a crush on him...and George realizing this could be karma again....asks Sara to live with him in the apartment !

Elaine finds out the apartment in Jerry's building is Kramer's ! Seems Kramer has gotten low on money and is in some trouble. Jerry offers him a loan but Kramer is too proud to accept it. Kramer's pal the midget (Name escapes me...from season 4) tries to help him with a get rich quick scheme so he can keep his place.

Somehow the scheme happens when Kramer sues George Steinbrenner of the Yankees for running over his foot at the ballpark. Jackie Chiles takes the case . Jerry is a character witness and worries about whether he'll blow it again like he did on the Candy Bar heiress and the open bra she wore.

She's there as its revealed she was in the car with Steinbrenner. Elaine is torn. She's gonna lose her apartment to George and Sara. She also won't have a place to live at if Kramer wins his money in this.

In what many debate ..did Elaine mean to do this..... she accidently trips George's father (who thru the episode is wanting George/Sara to live with him) into the candy girl spilling his soda all over her. She goes to undress and the judge boots her out....which allows Jerry to help Kramer .

Steinbrenner gets whispered advice and before it can go to a trial he offers Kramer a job as his new Assistant to the GM of the Yankees. (The job George never got and wanted ) Kramer accepts blowing a huge lawsuit as Chiles reacts .."Who said to accept his 1st offer....who said accept a job from George Steinbrenner in this case ?"

Jerry and Elaine sit there as he's shocked she did that. She reveals she likely will have to move with her parents or ask Kramer if she can sleep on his couch. Jerry tells her she can live there as they muse about that .

Kramer and George are suprised about that prospect. And that Kramer actually has a job for the 1st time in years. And that George actually found someone who looks like Susan again...

[Captain Smith]

About Stargate - the series ended too abruptly and the DVD that was supposed to wrap it up - really sucked.

That's a problem with series that have the never ending enemy. On and on. The same thing is happening with Atlantis - endless Wraith, no point to the action.

It will suck when it ends.

I truly and sadly predict BSG will suck this season.

1. They all die
2. They all meld with the Cylons - why?
3. They find Earth:

a. George Bush or Obama Earth depending on time - then they and we are screwed.

b. They end up in the past, lose all tech and become Adama and Eve - puke

c. Maybe they land in some future like Star Trek Earth and kick Cylon butt and then get jobs in the Federation. The Galatica becomes a museum as planned.

or nothing conclusive and we wait for DVDs (yeah, there aren't supposed to be any - right!).

Angel - did suck but it sucked before that - when they introduced his kid to bang Cordelia, it went to pervert hell.

Buffy - the big pit of Nosferatus, Kennedy, loads of slayers - stupid. - Sucked.

DragonBall - those who say the Frieza saga should have been the end are correct. It was an epic battle and a good end.

After that - Cell saga was marked with intense stupidity - Goku - oh, well, I'll let Gohan do this just because I like to see my kid get almost killed. Duh.

Buu - oh, dear - he's unbeatable but we know that someone will come up with the great big ball of energy and toast him - what a new idea. And Uub - notice how later Uub was worth crap in a fight.

One sad part was how the noble Piccolo had to become definitionally and markedly inferior to any villian.

DS9 - mystic transformation - yawn - Star Trek did that a lot, esp. with crappy characters. Wesley - transforms. Kes - transforms.

Ranks in there with the mystic pregnancies:

Scully
Cordelia
Troy
Power Girl

- the mystic wanger nails the female heroine, who gives birth to some screwed up kid.

How come the hero doesn't get the mystic wanger up his ...?

Hope I'm wrong about BSG!

[Agent Helix]

I think they should have had the characters move in togethor. They could have swerved the marriage issue and did a take on it.. "Who says were getting married , did I say were getting married , no one said were getting married...just living togethor ..."

It would have been a funny episode to see Kramer and George's reaction to this "change" that was happening. The open ended part could be...could Jerry and Elaine manage to live togethor ?

Actually the final episode is something my brain cooked up one day...here is how I remembered I'd do it...and not do a clip show. I'd bring some old characters back in a fun way.


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Elaine learns that there is gonna be a space avliable in the apartment building Jerry is in. So she sells her apartment to George who weirdly meets Susan's cousin "Sara" who is Susan's twin nearly . (The actress who plays Susan can return for this)

Sara hits it off with George pretty well and the whole rest room talk back in Season 7 is done and Sara allows it to continue . Which ...impresses George. She reveals she always had a crush on him...and George realizing this could be karma again....asks Sara to live with him in the apartment !

Elaine finds out the apartment in Jerry's building is Kramer's ! Seems Kramer has gotten low on money and is in some trouble. Jerry offers him a loan but Kramer is too proud to accept it. Kramer's pal the midget (Name escapes me...from season 4) tries to help him with a get rich quick scheme so he can keep his place.

Somehow the scheme happens when Kramer sues George Steinbrenner of the Yankees for running over his foot at the ballpark. Jackie Chiles takes the case . Jerry is a character witness and worries about whether he'll blow it again like he did on the Candy Bar heiress and the open bra she wore.

She's there as its revealed she was in the car with Steinbrenner. Elaine is torn. She's gonna lose her apartment to George and Sara. She also won't have a place to live at if Kramer wins his money in this.

In what many debate ..did Elaine mean to do this..... she accidently trips George's father (who thru the episode is wanting George/Sara to live with him) into the candy girl spilling his soda all over her. She goes to undress and the judge boots her out....which allows Jerry to help Kramer .

Steinbrenner gets whispered advice and before it can go to a trial he offers Kramer a job as his new Assistant to the GM of the Yankees. (The job George never got and wanted ) Kramer accepts blowing a huge lawsuit as Chiles reacts .."Who said to accept his 1st offer....who said accept a job from George Steinbrenner in this case ?"

Jerry and Elaine sit there as he's shocked she did that. She reveals she likely will have to move with her parents or ask Kramer if she can sleep on his couch. Jerry tells her she can live there as they muse about that .

Kramer and George are suprised about that prospect. And that Kramer actually has a job for the 1st time in years. And that George actually found someone who looks like Susan again...

You didn't understand Seinfeld at all.

[Michael P]

3. I thought the Alf finale involved him finally getting that cat.


Lucky died (of natural causes) during the run of the show.

[Super Hero Guy]

I think Seinfeld should have ended when Larry David left, the season 7 finale, where George gets freed from his engagement by the death of Susan (which is due to his cheepness), and Jerry gets trapped in another engagement.

[Monty_Cristo]

i don't know that it's the final episode but i'm disappointed about Sgt. Doakes on 'Dexter.'

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You didn't understand Seinfeld at all.

Ohhh I knew someone was gonna come in and post that....I figured it was gonna happen one of these days. I had a bet with a friend of mine (offline) that it would happen.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think Seinfeld should have ended when Larry David left, the season 7 finale, where George gets freed from his engagement by the death of Susan (which is due to his cheepness), and Jerry gets trapped in another engagement.

I do think the 7th season finale would have been a great ending. In a WTF does Jerry do now that he is enganged ? It would have been a better ending than what we got.

I admit when a show ends....it should have a good ending. Not something where the stars all walk off with little as possible changes. Thats why I detested FRIENDS ending. Who the fuck cares if its just another day in their lives. The show is ending... GO FUCKIN CRAZY...pull out a wild ending...

[Super Hero Guy]

About friends, I say it would have been a lot cooler if...

Ross hooked up with Phoebe

Monica hooked up with Joey

Rachel hooked up with Chandler

[SUPERECWFAN1]

About friends, I say it would have been a lot cooler if...

Ross hooked up with Phoebe

Monica hooked up with Joey

Rachel hooked up with Chandler

HA HA....awesome....

Being serious the fact LeBlanc signed a deal with NBC for 2 seasons of "Joey" pretty much told us what was gonna happen there. I do think NBC dropped a ball trying to lure the fanbase to the spinoff. That final episode or 2 should have been promotion for spinning LeBlanc off....introduce his cast....have the Friends all get what they need ect ect...

[GRANT!]

I'll get a head start and say Lost's finale sucked.

[Jared]

I agree except for one thing......When Buffy died at the end of Season 5, and with Faith not coming out of prison....the world was left unprotected. It would've been a little depressing.

That very last scene should have been of a girl the viewers have never seen discovering that she's the new Slayer.

What if Elaine had ended up with George? Now that would have been a Seinfeld ending.

The biggest sin of Seinfeld's finale was that it just wasn't very funny. That, and the fact that it was a clip show which was preceded by a clip show.

[GRANT!]

The biggest sin of Seinfeld's finale was that it just wasn't very funny. That, and the fact that it was a clip show which was preceded by a clip show.

Pretty much. Though the closing scene with Jerry telling jokes in the prison cafeteria was great.

Better yet the Seinfeld in Oz sketch on SNL a few years later... genius.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Pretty much. Though the closing scene with Jerry telling jokes in the prison cafeteria was great.

Better yet the Seinfeld in Oz sketch on SNL a few years later... genius.

Yep....that was twisted and funny. Did you see when Louise Dreyfuss hosted and he was up there trying to kill her with dropping something from the stage ? I thought it was a good guest spot too.

[the goddamn batman]

the fact that it was a clip show which was preceded by a clip show.

Amen, brother.

[Justin D.]

The 4400 was a good show that had an awesome season finale with multiple dangling storylines and cliffhangers to set up the next season. I was so annoyed with that season finale turned into a series finale. There's a 4400 book being released later this year, but it doesn't pick off where the series ended.

There's another science fiction show that also ended prematurely, but it's escaping me right now.

[StoneGold]

The 4400 was a good show that had an awesome season finale with multiple dangling storylines and cliffhangers to set up the next season. I was so annoyed with that season finale turned into a series finale. There's a 4400 book being released later this year, but it doesn't pick off where the series ended.

There's another science fiction show that also ended prematurely, but it's escaping me right now.

The Jetsons?

[brundlefly]

Better yet the Seinfeld in Oz sketch on SNL a few years later... genius.

"Hey, you're not looking so good."
"Adebesi pricked me with an AIDS-infected needle."
"Oh. Well, good luck with... all that." (walks off)

Totally agreed; one of the best SNL sketches of all time. As a big fan of both shows, I never get tired of watching that. Seeing the OZ characters (particularly Beecher) play off Jerry to reenact memorable bits from the sitcom worked as a more satisfying Seinfeld finale than the actual finale did.

There's another science fiction show that also ended prematurely, but it's escaping me right now.

Heh, that's a pretty long list; you might need to specify. Regarding recent sci-fi shows, maybe either Invasion or Surface?

[Justin D.]

Heh, that's a pretty long list; you might need to specify. Regarding recent sci-fi shows, maybe either Invasion or Surface?

No, it was a good show.

Journeyman is a show that kind of fizzled out most likely because they didn't know if they'd get renewed or not.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Lucky died (of natural causes) during the run of the show.
What's even more shocking is the dad, Willie Tanner, was caught in some crackhouse raid, pipe in mouth. LOL!

[xarathos]

That makes total..... Wait what?


Oh, so that was the guy that watched Mantis. I always wondered who that guy was. I watched like 2 or 3 episodes and that was enough.

[brundlefly]

No, it was a good show.

Journeyman is a show that kind of fizzled out most likely because they didn't know if they'd get renewed or not.

Heh. I kind of liked Surface, though.

Did Journeyman get the chance to explain what was behind Kevin McKidd's time-travelling before it got canned? I only caught the first three eps or so.

[Jared]

Looking back, did Surface really have anything going for it beside Lake Bell's hottness and that scene where one of the creatures ate a boat?

I'd like to take this oppurtunity to apologize for the part I played in keeping MANTIS on the air for a whole season. I apologize not only to other (?!) viewers, but to the cast and crew of MANTIS as well. Especially to Carl Lumbly, who actually had to play MANTIS. If it weren't for me, maybe he wouldn't have had to have acted out being killed in battle with an invisible T-Rex. (Ok, seriously, is that really how it ended? It can't be. That's just retarded, and not even the funny kind of retarded. More like sad-to-look-at retarded.)