White Tiger by Tamora Pierce - Do you recommend ? Why or Why not ?

[sabongero]

There's benn a few months delay on Issue #6 of White Tiger, which is written by Tamora Pierce and pencilled by Phil Briones. It seems the TPB is schedule to come out later this year.

For those who have read this series, what do you think. Can you discuss the pros and cons of this series so far.

Even though Pierce is new to the realms of the sequential art form, she has been a mainstay novelist on the fantasy and young adult fantasy genre. Given the mystic power of the amulet of White Tiger, was she at least one of the better writers picked for this series ?

What is your verdict on this work ? Please back it up with an explanation. Thanks.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

I love it and can't wait to read the last issue.
It's an action-packed yarn with solid characterization, very cool action scenes and a cool female protagonist that isn't a sex kitten or a bimbo, definitely a great read.

[Syzygy]

Very good.

[Deadpooligan]

Deadpool was in issue #5!

...also, the other four issues are surprisingly a pretty good read.

[rogerio]

does anyone know if Black Widow did a cameo in issue 3?

[Dagger]

It definately had a more realistic take on how a woman would go about being a hero, imo. I did like a lot of the action scenes, and she really made me care about the White Tiger legacy, which is something I thought I would never say in my life!

[Lanowar]

Deadpool was in issue #5!

...also, the other four issues are surprisingly a pretty good read.

You know that guest apperance is so random, he shows up and leaves in the space of 3 pages. I'm never one to dismiss a guest apperance by Deapdool but it just seemed like Tamora needed to fill space in that issue and a craving to use Deadpool.

[barking_frog]

I read the first issue back in April and found it forgettable -- I never got around to reading #2. I don't remember exactly why I didn't enjoy it -- I just remember that it felt like nothing was really happening. I remember there was a Daredevil appearance and that at the end of the issue she's in a costume shop trying on an outfit (outfits?). Obvious it didn't grab me if it's an almost complete blank after three months. ^.^

I'm not out to dis the book, and normally I wouldn't even bother to comment, but sabongero asked for positive AND negative feedback so, since I picked it up, I thought I'd weigh in. ^.^

[Spiffy]

I've liked it a lot and found it very well done. The characterization is good compared to most female heroes, the plots are decent, there's a decent amount of eye candy with the protagonist, without her being tartish.

[Deadpooligan]

You know that guest apperance is so random, he shows up and leaves in the space of 3 pages. I'm never one to dismiss a guest apperance by Deapdool but it just seemed like Tamora needed to fill space in that issue and a craving to use Deadpool.

He kinda of just pops in like:

"Aha! Black Cat! Prepare to be captured by Deadpool in accordance with the Superhuman Registration Thingy!"

"I'm White Tiger."

"Oh. You sure you're not Black Cat?"

"Yes."

"Oh. Okay then. Bye!"

I would never have seen/heard about DP appearing in this book, like, ever. He's not on the cover, no mention of him in the preview blurbs for it...

killerbass filled me in about it a while ago. Thanks again, Tom!

[sabongero]

For those who really want to pick up this mini-series, did the writer do enough to entice the reader? The writer's purpose at the onset of the title was to bring the following questions to the table and address them during the series. If so, please back up your answer.

How did Tamora Pierce explore Angela's reaction to her new life: how she makes the transition from a lifetime of straight-up law enforcement to her new existence as a "costumed vigilante", someone who is only sometimes on the right side of the law.

Is her supporting cast (officers, agents, enemies, friends, Angela's life) fleshed out enough to add depth to Angela Del Toro/The White Tiger character ?

Did Tamora Pierce present Angela as someone who has found her feet as a 1] civilian; 2] a costumed hero; 3] a woman; 4] as an ordinary citizen ?

Doing so will add so much depth to the character.

How do you think Tamora Pierce looked at the Angela Del Toro/White Tiger character and her situations?

[Cayman]

I had high hopes for the series and it just didn't deliver. It wasn't awful but there was very little to be excited about. Also, Pierce's psycho John Byrne-esque web presence has really killed my interest in ever reading anything she does again.

[sabongero]

I had high hopes for the series and it just didn't deliver. It wasn't awful but there was very little to be excited about. Also, Pierce's psycho John Byrne-esque web presence has really killed my interest in ever reading anything she does again.

What did you mean by "psycho John Byrne-esque web presence" ? Pardon my ignorance I just started re-reading comic books last summer after decades of hiatus. That's a unique term I haven't come across before.

[Deadpooligan]

What did you mean by "psycho John Byrne-esque web presence" ? Pardon my ignorance I just started re-reading comic books last summer after decades of hiatus. That's a unique term I haven't come across before.

John Byrne, of X-Men and many other books penciling fame in the '80's, is kind of a hot headed no-tolerance jerk on the Internets.

So I hear. I love the guy's artwork.

[Dagger]

What did you mean by "psycho John Byrne-esque web presence" ? Pardon my ignorance I just started re-reading comic books last summer after decades of hiatus. That's a unique term I haven't come across before.
He made a comment about blonde latina's looking like hookers, and was comparing Jessica Alba to it, and her role as Sue Storm, saying it was taking roles away from white actors.

[TimmyTony]

Pierce only complained about female portrayals in comics, that doesn't make her psychotic.
And to compare her to Byrne?
Hello?
Byrne has made some very inflammatory , rude and childish remarks that reeked of racism, homophobia and other "nice" things, Pierce may have been a little harsh towards Millar and his ilk, but she never took it to Byrne-ian extremes...

[sabongero]

I have just read issue #5. That brief little cameo by Deadpool was hilarious.

The thing I really liked about this series, is that it actually captures the spirit of New York City. By this I mean it captures the "Melting Pot" aspect of New York City. There are more than 250 different types of ethnic and mixed ethnic types of people populating the city. This series captures that just perfectly.

[trickster]

I would never have seen/heard about DP appearing in this book, like, ever.

Of course not. It's not one of those books! :P

[sabongero]

It's too bad there has been such a delay on issue #6. This can work against her amongst new fans of her work, even though it's her first foray into comic books.

So do you guys think she used some of the concepts in her books in her interpretation of "White Tiger" ?

[Ravenheart]

I was just going to ask about #6 of the mini series.I was starting to wonder if it had already come out and I had missed it.

[shaxberd]

Having finally finished the series, I have to say I enjoyed it. It was a good read although not quite to the caliber of Tamora Pierce's novels. Still, it was her first foray into comics so really, she can only get better. After all, this was an origin story, the one you have to get out of the way before you can get to the real plot and storyline. We have our heroine now, and we know who she is, what she does, and where she fits in the scope of the Marvel Universe. She's a superheroine that girls can aspire to be rather than just one that boys can lust after, and that's mostly what I was hoping for.

[sabongero]

Son of a gun ! It looks like a lot of comic stores inmy area did not bother ordering issue #6 of this series as I have not seen it anywhere. When did issue #6 finally come out ?

[Tamora Pierce]

Son of a gun ! It looks like a lot of comic stores inmy area did not bother ordering issue #6 of this series as I have not seen it anywhere. When did issue #6 finally come out ?

Last Thursday.

Tammy Pierce

[shaxberd]

This is the problem with limited series. Their shipping schedules tend to go by the wayside so that they come out almost randomly. It's not that much different from how Fox moves around shows that air on Friday night so you can't really follow it. (Firely, anyone?) And it doesn't help that Marvel tends to put out the trade paperbacks for limited series about a week after the last issue hits the stands. I expect we'll see the tpb for White Tiger hit the stands very soon, and hopefully, a lot more discussion of the title.

[Nevets F]

I really, really loved this series. I am worried that we won't see anything come from it though. Another mini, Angela is another comic, something. I really enjoyed it, and want to follow the story.

[Volk1]

This series was total fun!:)

I had to re-read issues 1-5 though before I even opened up 6 because as I started 6 I completely forgot about the juicy details of 1-5.

Angela really grew on me - she's smart, sweet, a little sassy if need be, and she's not a T&A vixen - which is so refreshing.

The appeances by Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spidey, Black Widow, Deadpool, The Lizard, Emma Frost: awesome.

Spidey's lines were really good and I love the team-up at the end.

And the new Cobra is sick, vile, and creepy: he needs to come back ASAP! And it's awesome that White Tiger has her arch-nemesis already!:cool:

Great to see a Latina-American as a super-hero; great to see a strong, intelligent female that isn't just a gratuitous sexbomb.

I'd buy a solo. I'm not sure if she fits any book out there right now though. She's seems a bit more mature for New Warriors, no way she registers for the Initiative, and the New Avengers already have Echo. Heroes for Hire? Cast is too big already.

More White Tiger please!

[Tamora Pierce]

>> I expect we'll see the tpb for White Tiger hit the stands very soon,<<

September 26!

[Tamora Pierce]

I really, really loved this series. I am worried that we won't see anything come from it though. Another mini, Angela is another comic, something. I really enjoyed it, and want to follow the story.

Thank you! I wish we could continue it, but there appears to be no interest in us doing it, at least, on Marvel's end.

Tammy

[Tamora Pierce]

This series was total fun!:)

...

I'd buy a solo. I'm not sure if she fits any book out there right now though. She's seems a bit more mature for New Warriors, no way she registers for the Initiative, and the New Avengers already have Echo. Heroes for Hire? Cast is too big already.

More White Tiger please!

Thank you so much for the breakdown--it's always instructive, and in this case rewarding, to see which parts in particular appealed to a reader. I only wish we could give you more White Tiger. It's breaking my heart to walk away from Angela and the gang when they've only just gotten their feet under them!

Tammy

[sinjection]

Shoot. I had to delete a perfectly fine post explaining why I was immediately turned off from following the series - though I love the character. After reading the synopses of issues 1 - 6, the book wasn't at all what I thought it was going to be....not yet anyway.

If Del Toro is going to fight her foes alone without Daredevil - Murdock or otherwise -, Spider-man, Iron Fist and whomever else, that would be interesting. What would be a shame is if Del Toro became just another "goil foil" for Daredevil.

[Tamora Pierce]

But Angela Del Toro - a trained FBI agent and whose uncle was the original White Tiger, has to go running off to Daredevil for advice and tutelage. And of course Daredevil stuck around. Angela Del Toro is fine. The Black Widow is fine. Elektra is fine. Given Daredevil's track record with fine female costumed adventurers, I'd have given him until Issue #10 to have had the Tiger by her tail and asking her, "Who's your daddy?"....that is, if that hasn't already happened.

Actually, Angela's line for him, one that we kept having to cut for space, was, "You went out with my cousin Amparo from Records, and she told me you are a dawg. D-a-w-g dawg." As far as Angela is concerned (while we write her, that is so never happening. She is NOT interested.



Del Toro was already diminished when she went running to Daredevil for "superhero" advice and training in the first place. A romp in the sack with Daredevil would have damaged her even more. Hector Ayala, the White Tiger's closest ally wasn't Daredevil. Ayala's closest ally wasn't Spider-man. Hector Ayala's closest ally and confidant was a black Harlem dectective whose name escapes me, but whose nickname was "Blackbyrd". Rather than running off to Daredevil, why couldn't have Del Toro confided in one of her trusted fellow agents or a close personal friend?

When I'd discovered that Ayala's neice was to be the newest White Tiger, I was all set to buy the book author unknown, art unseen. Then I saw the role DD was to play in the book and was immediately turned off. I skimmed through an issue at the shop. I didn't like what I saw. I put the book back on the rack.

I hope Del Toro/White Tiger survives without Daredevil. I'd be interested then.

For the rest of what you say, Angela began getting DD's instruction with Bendis. However, the DD in our issues wasn't Matt Murdoch.

While your mind seems to be set on a scenario that never would have played out while we were writing White Tiger, and while I don't think I'll change it, I did want to explain our thinking for writing her as we did.

Angela is a trained FBI agent. As such, she thinks in terms of resources and teams, not operations as a lone wolf. Had you read the series further, you would have seen her call on friends in the Bureau and relatives in the NYPD. Spoiler: You would also have learned that Luke Cage and Iron Fist are part of her extended family (they babysat her!) and friends of her Uncle Hector, as was Spider-Man, that Black Widow seeks her out because she has common cause in fighting the prey Angela cannot fight alone because it's an international organization with wealth and power and because Widow doesn't like how DD treated Angela (and because women should stick together). And that includes faux DD, not the real one. And Angela forges these elements she has legitimate connections to into the kind of team she led in the Bureau, because that's what she needs to fight a large and powerful enemy. That's her training. She isn't a traditional superhero, working on her own. Her focus is the goal: the collapse of Chaeyi's documents supply line, then the destruction of Chaeyi. To accomplish that goal she will assemble the best team she can and employ any resource she can.

Tammy Pierce

[sinjection]

Ooopsie. I thought I'd deleted my previous message before any White Tiger fans could read it and get upset. It's just my luck that the writer herself would see it. I'm jinxed.


Actually, Angela's line for him, one that we kept having to cut for space, was, "You went out with my cousin Amparo from Records, and she told me you are a dawg. D-a-w-g dawg." As far as Angela is concerned (while we write her, that is so never happening. She is NOT interested.

Good. Had Angela Del Toro become just another fine female costumed adventurer to sucuumb to Matt Murdock's "charms", I for one, would have been very disappointed. I'm happy "space" never gave Del Toro the chance to use that "line". Who knows? DD might have tried to convince her that he was really a "good guy" in spite of what her cousin told her. It's good to see that she is not interested. I hope she remains so.


For the rest of what you say, Angela began getting DD's instruction with Bendis. However, the DD in our issues wasn't Matt Murdoch.

Yes. I discovered that fact AFTER I'd typed and submitted the post that I've since deleted. I posted that message in ignorance and erroneous assumption, thus, making an a** of myself. Too bad. I liked that message :)


While your mind seems to be set on a scenario...

Well, it was set on that scenario anyway....


...that never would have played out while we were writing White Tiger,

That's good to know. I now realize I've put White Tiger-related white hairs on my nutty noggin for nothin'.


....and while I don't think I'll change it, I did want to explain our thinking for writing her as we did.

Reading the synopses has already changed my mind. I believe I will read through those issues I refused to purchase before, because I just KNEW Del Toro's virtue would be compromised by Matt Murdock at some point.



Angela is a trained FBI agent. As such, she thinks in terms of resources and teams, not operations as a lone wolf. Had you read the series further, you would have seen her call on friends in the Bureau and relatives in the NYPD. Spoiler: You would also have learned that Luke Cage and Iron Fist are part of her extended family (they babysat her!) and friends of her Uncle Hector, as was Spider-Man, that Black Widow seeks her out because she has common cause in fighting the prey Angela cannot fight alone because it's an international organization with wealth and power and because Widow doesn't like how DD treated Angela (and because women should stick together). And that includes faux DD, not the real one. And Angela forges these elements she has legitimate connections to into the kind of team she led in the Bureau, because that's what she needs to fight a large and powerful enemy. That's her training. She isn't a traditional superhero, working on her own. Her focus is the goal: the collapse of Chaeyi's documents supply line, then the destruction of Chaeyi. To accomplish that goal she will assemble the best team she can and employ any resource she can.

Tammy Pierce

Well then...go ahead wit' your bad self. :)

Whatever happened to Hector's trusted confidante "Blackbyrd"? Dead?

[TimELiebe]

Shoot. I had to delete a perfectly fine post explaining why I was immediately turned off from following the series - though I love the character. After reading the synopses of issues 1 - 6, the book wasn't at all what I thought it was going to be....not yet anyway.

If Del Toro is going to fight her foes alone without Daredevil - Murdock or otherwise -, Spider-man, Iron Fist and whomever else, that would be interesting. What would be a shame is if Del Toro became just another "goil foil" for Daredevil.

Hi, Tim - Tammy's WHITE TIGER co-writer (and husband) here. :)

Originally, a few years back when Marvel first discussed the series with Tammy (before I came onboard), WHITE TIGER was intended as a "Marvel Knights" title - so Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Danny Rand as well as DD were part of the background. Black Widow was, well, my bright idea - I'd always wanted to write her, we'd wanted Angela to have a female costume she could talk things over with, and Tammy's original choice, Misty Knight, had a title taking her in a different direction by then.

Since we'd lived in New York City for over 20 years at that time (we've since moved to Syracuse in central NY), catching that "melting pot" air with costumes constantly bumping into each other felt right, and a good source of humor and possible conflict. Even though the Marvel Knights line is no more ::sniff::, we didn't see any reason not to carry the characters and their interaction forward - especially since Hector had a legacy with most of the people we had Angela dealing with.


Whatever happened to Hector's trusted confidante "Blackbyrd"? Dead?

You know, we're not sure either - though according to Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/universe/White_Tiger_(Hector_Ayala)), he was last seen taking Hector's amulets back to the Sons of the Tiger. Tammy's feeling is that Blackbyrd's retired, fishing for marlin off a boat in Florida somewhere. We'd had the idea that if we continued with the series, we'd reintroduce Blackbyrd since he was such an integral part of Hector's life - but so far, we haven't been asked back. I suppose if WT#6 and the trade paperback sells stunningly well we still might be - so I live in hope, as the Bishop said to the showgirl.... ;)

Best,
Tim Liebe (http://spousecreature.blogspot.com/)
Dreaded Spouse-Creature of Tamora Pierce (http://www.tamorapierce.com/) - and co-writer of Marvel's WHITE TIGER (http://www.tamorapierce.com/marvel.htm) comic

[sinjection]

Hi, Tim - Tammy's WHITE TIGER co-writer (and husband) here. :)

Originally, a few years back when Marvel first discussed the series with Tammy (before I came onboard), WHITE TIGER was intended as a "Marvel Knights" title - so Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Danny Rand as well as DD were part of the background. Black Widow was, well, my bright idea - I'd always wanted to write her, we'd wanted Angela to have a female costume she could talk things over with, and Tammy's original choice, Misty Knight, had a title taking her in a different direction by then.

Since we'd lived in New York City for over 20 years at that time (we've since moved to Syracuse in central NY), catching that "melting pot" air with costumes constantly bumping into each other felt right, and a good source of humor and possible conflict. Even though the Marvel Knights line is no more ::sniff::, we didn't see any reason not to carry the characters and their interaction forward - especially since Hector had a legacy with most of the people we had Angela dealing with.



You know, we're not sure either - though according to Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/universe/White_Tiger_(Hector_Ayala)), he was last seen taking Hector's amulets back to the Sons of the Tiger. Tammy's feeling is that Blackbyrd's retired, fishing for marlin off a boat in Florida somewhere. We'd had the idea that if we continued with the series, we'd reintroduce Blackbyrd since he was such an integral part of Hector's life - but so far, we haven't been asked back. I suppose if WT#6 and the trade paperback sells stunningly well we still might be - so I live in hope, as the Bishop said to the showgirl.... ;)

Best,
Tim Liebe (http://spousecreature.blogspot.com/)
Dreaded Spouse-Creature of Tamora Pierce (http://www.tamorapierce.com/) - and co-writer of Marvel's WHITE TIGER (http://www.tamorapierce.com/marvel.htm) comic

Nice to meet you, Tim :)

You people sure know how to make a person feel good and guilty about writing critical posts about books that person never bothered to read because he judged the book by its cover. I do plan to purchase those White Tiger issues I by-passed to see what I've missed. The series synopses were interesting.

That said, I get a little irked when I read "Marvel Knights". It isn't your fault. I happen to like the character Cloak. I like the Cloak and Dagger duo just fine. Both are dynamic characters, but I would especially like for Cloak to live up to the potential of his character. His powers were stripped from him by Dagger. Dagger became a member of a team featuring: Daredevil, Black Widow, Moon Knight, Luke Cage and Shang Chi (I think). Meanwhile, Cloak hung out at Black Widow's pad, wore his baseball cap backwards while indoors and played video games all day. Not the way I like to see one of my favorite characters utilized. But enough about Marvel Knights.

Thanks for the ideas as to where Blackbyrd may be these days and how he might be spending his time.

I wasn't aware Bishop knew any showgirls :D At any rate, the least I can do is purchase my 6 issues. Good Luck to you both.

[Cayman]

It'd be nice to see White Tiger pop up in one of Ed Brubaker's books. I bet he could do well with her.

[sabongero]

Last Thursday.

Tammy Pierce

Okay thanks for the info Ms. Pierce. Perhaps you can do another limited series with the same character.

[shaxberd]

I want to read more White Tiger, but I'm not exactly sure where she fits in a post-Civil-War Marvel Universe. As far as I can tell, she isn't registered, but it wouldn't exactly take a genius at SHIELD to figure out who she is. I don't think her camouflage ability would protect her from radar, and as an ex-federal officer, I don't see her blatantly ignoring the law. Possibly, this is one of the reasons why the execs at Marvel are hesitating although it probably has more to do with sales figures, which are always bad with limited series. Hopefully, sales of the tpb will change that as I'm sure a lot of people just wait for that when it comes to limited series nowadays.

That said, I think moving White Tiger into countries outside the U.S. after Chaeyi influences abroad would be very interesting. She'd be much less of a concern in terms of the SHRA, and we'd get to see her working with other heroes/villains who have international ties. Maybe Batroc the Leaper in France? Or Kangaroo in Australia? We haven't really gotten a chance to see what the lives of heroes who chose to leave rather than register have been like, and I think it's something a lot of people would like to see. And it can't hurt to have the Rand-Meachum Corporation on her side, which probably has offices everywhere.

Anyway, I have the issues, but I'll be getting the TPB as well. The better to share. I absolutely believe that Marvel getting Tamora Pierce to write a title for them was a fantastic coup that will eventually lead to a lot more girls reading comics, but only if they stick with it and give it a real chance, preferably in the form of a regular series. That said, I also think Tamora Pierce would write a fantastic Wonder Woman. Amazons Attack? What was up with that? Urgh.

[Monty_Cristo]

I want to read more White Tiger, but I'm not exactly sure where she fits in a post-Civil-War Marvel Universe. As far as I can tell, she isn't registered, but it wouldn't exactly take a genius at SHIELD to figure out who she is. I don't think her camouflage ability would protect her from radar, and as an ex-federal officer, I don't see her blatantly ignoring the law. Possibly, this is one of the reasons why the execs at Marvel are hesitating although it probably has more to do with sales figures, which are always bad with limited series. Hopefully, sales of the tpb will change that as I'm sure a lot of people just wait for that when it comes to limited series nowadays.

That said, I think moving White Tiger into countries outside the U.S. after Chaeyi influences abroad would be very interesting. She'd be much less of a concern in terms of the SHRA, and we'd get to see her working with other heroes/villains who have international ties. Maybe Batroc the Leaper in France? Or Kangaroo in Australia? We haven't really gotten a chance to see what the lives of heroes who chose to leave rather than register have been like, and I think it's something a lot of people would like to see. And it can't hurt to have the Rand-Meachum Corporation on her side, which probably has offices everywhere.

Anyway, I have the issues, but I'll be getting the TPB as well. The better to share. I absolutely believe that Marvel getting Tamora Pierce to write a title for them was a fantastic coup that will eventually lead to a lot more girls reading comics, but only if they stick with it and give it a real chance, preferably in the form of a regular series. That said, I also think Tamora Pierce would write a fantastic Wonder Woman. Amazons Attack? What was up with that? Urgh.

she should join Heroes for Hire; replacing Black Cat. i think she'd fit in better with the girls than Felicia (who could turn up just about anywhere).

[Alpha Male]

That's cool that issue six is finally out. I been keeping up with the series as well and I liked how the amulets worked differently for DelToro than it did Hector and the previous bearers. Speaking of which, I thought there would be at least a cameo of the Tiger Sons (Bob Diamond, Lin Sun and Abe Brown) or Lotus. I would've loved to have seen Angela's interaction with them. Also, I hope Gideon Mace returns if White Tiger gets a new series.

I think he survived that shooting in the pages of Spectacular Spider Man and went underground. It would be nice if emerged to try to finish off the last of Hector's family.

[Tamora Pierce]

Also, I hope Gideon Mace returns if White Tiger gets a new series.

I think he survived that shooting in the pages of Spectacular Spider Man and went underground. It would be nice if emerged to try to finish off the last of Hector's family.

::grins showing aaaaaalll the teeth::

He best bring a lunch.

Tammy

[Cayman]

I picked up issue 5 tonight and it was pretty good (save for Iron Fist's oddly-variable hair color). I'll try and pick up 6 at the shop tomorrow to complete my set.

[Kyle R]

After reading some mixed reviews, I decided to check out the book before spending money on the upcoming trade.

Fortunetly, this way all I've wasted was my time, as I read through every issue, hoping it might somehow rise above "train-wreck" in terms of quality.

The art is subpar at best, and the writing is worse. It reads like a fourteen year old's bad fanfic. Serriously, Angela Del Toro got reduced from a compelling character with an interesting situation, to a Mary Sue of dire proportions. All the nonsensical cameo apperances--after all, why wouldn't Emma Frost show up for a chat?--and ham-fisted attempts to integrate her into previously established characters' continutity--it makes perfect sense that she would have learned martial arts from Danny Rand when she was a kid!--make what might have otherwise been an interesting story into a hack job.

It's really a shame since I thought the character had a great deal of potential in her DAREDEVIL appearances. Maybe the stink of this serries won't cling to her too vigorously, but I'd say that there's just as good a chance that the next time the White Tiger shows up in a book after this poorly concieved dreck, she'll be cannon fodder.

[sinjection]

After reading some mixed reviews, I decided to check out the book before spending money on the upcoming trade.

Fortunetly, this way all I've wasted was my time, as I read through every issue, hoping it might somehow rise above "train-wreck" in terms of quality.

The art is subpar at best, and the writing is worse. It reads like a fourteen year old's bad fanfic. Serriously, Angela Del Toro got reduced from a compelling character with an interesting situation, to a Mary Sue of dire proportions. All the nonsensical cameo apperances--after all, why wouldn't Emma Frost show up for a chat?--and ham-fisted attempts to integrate her into previously established characters' continutity--it makes perfect sense that she would have learned martial arts from Danny Rand when she was a kid!--make what might have otherwise been an interesting story into a hack job.

It's really a shame since I thought the character had a great deal of potential in her DAREDEVIL appearances. Maybe the stink of this serries won't cling to her to vigorusly, but I'd say that there's just as good a chance that the next time the White Tiger shows up in a book after this poorly concieved dreck, she'll be cannon fodder.


Now I KNOW the book must be good. I'm in like Flynn. I'll be purchasing EVERY issue or the trade. It's now a MUST HAVE as far as I'm concerned.

[drwho]

What is up with DD and his attracting a cast of femininjas? I may check out the trade if more positive word of mouth is posted here. To be honest though the problem I have is she is just one down the line of wannabe DD groupies in my mind. Sadly, Echo I feel already fills the position. So right now I just don't see what place. or need there is for White Tiger at Marvel.

[Kyle R]

Now I KNOW the book must be good. I'm in like Flynn. I'll be purchasing EVERY issue or the trade. It's now a MUST HAVE as far as I'm concerned.
Though I'm a bit confused as to why my disdain for the title would inspire such a reaction in you, here's hoping you enjoy it more than I did.

[Kyle R]

What is up with DD and his attracting a cast of femininjas? I may check out the trade if more positive word of mouth is posted here. To be honest though the problem I have is she is just one down the line of wannabe DD groupies in my mind. Sadly, Echo I feel already fills the position. So right now I just don't see what place. or need there is for White Tiger at Marvel.
There are lots of interesting places they could have gone with the character, especially had the focus been on her coming to terms with the legacy of the White Tiger. Unfortunetly this serries delivers little beyond her being another generic urban martial artist, and a ridiculous number of guest apperances.

[Cayman]

She's still a worthwhile character. I wouldn't give up on her yet just because this attempt didn't take.

[Kyle R]

Indeed, and I like to see what Brubaker and Fraction would do with her, given their revised take on K'un-Lun, which is where the tiger amulets originated from.

[Alpha Male]

After reading some mixed reviews, I decided to check out the book before spending money on the upcoming trade.

Fortunetly, this way all I've wasted was my time, as I read through every issue, hoping it might somehow rise above "train-wreck" in terms of quality.

The art is subpar at best, and the writing is worse. It reads like a fourteen year old's bad fanfic. Serriously, Angela Del Toro got reduced from a compelling character with an interesting situation, to a Mary Sue of dire proportions. All the nonsensical cameo apperances--after all, why wouldn't Emma Frost show up for a chat?--and ham-fisted attempts to integrate her into previously established characters' continutity--it makes perfect sense that she would have learned martial arts from Danny Rand when she was a kid!--make what might have otherwise been an interesting story into a hack job.

It's really a shame since I thought the character had a great deal of potential in her DAREDEVIL appearances. Maybe the stink of this serries won't cling to her too vigorously, but I'd say that there's just as good a chance that the next time the White Tiger shows up in a book after this poorly concieved dreck, she'll be cannon fodder.

I enjoyed the last issue of the series. I liked how they set up Omega Red to be a future nemesis to White Tiger. I also liked the references to previous White Tigers as well. I read every issue and to me what the writer was doing was fleshing the character of Angela DelToro by providing insight into her world outside the costume and giving her own villians and set of issues to deal with. What I would like to see in the future with White Tiger is delving into previous bearers of the amulets. I read Deadly Hands of Kung Fu awhile and I always wanted to know who possessed the amulets before The Sons of The Tiger and Master Kee.

[Cayman]

Indeed, and I like to see what Brubaker and Fraction would do with her, given their revised take on K'un-Lun, which is where the tiger amulets originated from.

That would be great. She'd make a good addition to the Iron Fist cast.

[Den]

Well, I plan on getting the trade soon. I liked the take on the character

[sinjection]

Though I'm a bit confused as to why my disdain for the title would inspire such a reaction in you, here's hoping you enjoy it more than I did.

I'm sure I will.

[Kyle R]

I read every issue and to me what the writer was doing was fleshing the character of Angela DelToro by providing insight into her world outside the costume and giving her own villians and set of issues to deal with.
I'd agree with you in so far as that goes; it's the execution there of which I feel was done rather poorly.

If not for some of the thematic elements, I'd say it reads like a comic written for young children. Which would be great, as there should be comic books for people of all ages, but some aspects of the plot certinally aren't the sort of thing I'd expect or desire to find in a children's title.

The result, in my mind, reads like some poorly done fanfiction, complete with pointless cameo apperances, a nonsensical and meandering plot, and some of the most hackneyed dialogue this side of Chris Claremont. That the personality of Angela Del Toro diverges significantly from her portrayal in DAREDEVIL doesn't help much.

That other people seemed to have enjoyed the book is great, too each their own, but personally I had some fairly high hopes, and WHITE TIGER didn't even come close to delivering.


What I would like to see in the future with White Tiger is delving into previous bearers of the amulets. I read Deadly Hands of Kung Fu awhile and I always wanted to know who possessed the amulets before The Sons of The Tiger and Master Kee.
That would be pretty cool, if done well.

[bdk91939]

This character is underutilized. I guess with the right type of supporting characters, and a creative team that can stay with the series for a couple of years can help move this character from a low tier level character to solid B level.

I can't believe there's no other White Tiger thread here in CBR. It's too bad about the mini series. Perhaps if they can have another mini series for this character in the upcoming year or so, perhaps it can circulate the character to be utilized more often in the Marvel Universe.

[Spiffy]

Underutilized?

Worse than that. Banished. Forgotten about.

After her own intro in her miniseries I think she MIGHT have been used once, in a background shot as part of the 50 state Initiative, maybe... once. Although I couldn't swear to her even getting that.

Unless someone has snuck her into the current Iron Fist title somewhere (it makes sense, since she's a loose association of his according to her miniseries)? I admit I haven't been reading that one (even though everyone says I should be).

[scouse mouse]

She has recently gone down the usual women of DD route and been killed and resurrected by the Hand. She now works for Lady Bullseye so she hasn't been totally forgotten lol!

[bdk91939]

She has recently gone down the usual women of DD route and been killed and resurrected by the Hand. She now works for Lady Bullseye so she hasn't been totally forgotten lol!

Damn! Is that what really happened to Angela del Torro? What a messed up thing to happen to her.

[kcekada]

Found it to be a tedious read.

Skip it.

[LungerTony]

The White Riger mini sucked. The middle of it was average at best, but the ending was the complete and utter game killer and still makes me cringe today.
Spoiler below:

[[[A bunch of heroes: Spidey, Cage, Iron Fist, DD, etc. and White Tiger stand around and watch a depressed Japanese mob boss commits sepukku on himself with a katana. He literally slices open his guts and commits suicide in front of all these heroes and they just sit there and watch and talk about how its his destiny. Retarded and so out of character. ]]]