Paris Hilton: Such an Utter Twit.

[Sabrinaset]

Paris Hilton shows us what she cares about the most ... Paris Hilton! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=467670&in_page_id=1773)

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/parisPCN1107_468x746.jpg

Hope that handbag can hold enough of those drugs she's never used to keep herself and her friends happy! :)

[TheLazy]

I'll admit, her existence makes a strong case on behalf of the atheists.

[Tommy]

Clearly Paris wants her privacy.

[Cam63]

Nice disguise.

[Sabrinaset]

Really, if you're going to put a Paris Hilton feature on your dress that more people have seen than any other part, it wouldn't be her face.

[Cam63]

I haven't seen her achilles tendon.

[Night Swordsman]

Who would HONESTLY wear that top ANYWAY besides her?

And Bree? There ARE obscenity laws in several states....

[Linkara]

I'll admit, her existence makes a strong case on behalf of the atheists.

Nonsense! Her existence makes a strong case for the existence of the devil. ^_~

I'm actually going to try to avoid this thread, mostly just because I don't want to give Paris Hilton any attention. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go take a picture of my face, make some abstract version of it in Photoshop, then print it on a T-shirt.

[Tommy]

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go take a picture of my face, make some abstract version of it in Photoshop, then print it on a T-shirt.

Send me one!

[TomStillwell]

Obvisously Paris is illiterate and this is the only way she and Nikki can tell their clothes apart.

[beetlebum]

Really, if you're going to put a Paris Hilton feature on your dress that more people have seen than any other part, it wouldn't be her face.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Tracy Jacks Everyday she got closer
She knew in her heart she was over
I'd love to stay here and be normal
But it's just so overrated

Wife swapping is your future, you know that it would suit you...;)

[Solaris]

I'll admit, her existence makes a strong case on behalf of the atheists.

No... her existence makes a strong case for why it's important to educate even the rich on birth control... too bad her parents missed out on the class.

[Solaris]

Nonsense! Her existence makes a strong case for the existence of the devil. ^_~

I'm actually going to try to avoid this thread, mostly just because I don't want to give Paris Hilton any attention. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go take a picture of my face, make some abstract version of it in Photoshop, then print it on a T-shirt.



I think the ultimate of that was done way back in 1978, when Valerie Perrine (Miss Teshmacher) showed up on the set of Superman wearing a t-shirt with a photo on it of herself, bare-chested.

:D

[Sabrinaset]

I'll admit it; Paris Hilton is the only one I know of who makes me question my anti-abortion views

[TheLazy]

Nonsense! Her existence makes a strong case for the existence of the devil. ^_~

I'm actually going to try to avoid this thread, mostly just because I don't want to give Paris Hilton any attention. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go take a picture of my face, make some abstract version of it in Photoshop, then print it on a T-shirt.

Well you're left with this dilemma, If you do you're face you'll have the groupies thinking your ZOMG-super-duper-coolies, whereas if you do your ass you might just be riske enough to prove that she is an unimaginative talentless hack who will probably have to pay out her inheritance on debt when mommy and daddy pop it.

The women can't even do porn right, seriously, trying to wank whilst laughing is harder than you'd think. I could give a better blow job than that.

[TheLazy]

I'll admit it; Paris Hilton is the only person I know of who makes me question my anti-abortion views.

You know, I really wouldn't be surprised if they'd tried that already, she's just unstoppable.

[Infra-Man]

I'm hoping one of these days she throws herself in the wash.

[mgs]

I have to admit, as much as an idiot she actually is, it's really the journalist photographers and all the magazines, newspapers, bloggers and all those who just want her pic and all that are the REAL twits.

[Alerex]

I like it. It is really funny. It makes me want one of me, just to have it.

[Froggy]

she's gonna hate herself when she's old

[Charles RB]

That photo disturbs me.

But not as much as once hearing she dated a guy called... Paris. Oh, the psychological implications!

[Alan Lynch]

I'm just puzzled how in some pictures I've seen of her on the town, her boobs look huge. We've all seen them - they ain't that big. What the fuck kind of miracle bra is she wearing?

[AaronJ]

I have to admit that I've never gotten the Paris hate.

Yes, she's an atrocious human being. But, there are lots of them, and many of them have a hell of a lot more power and influence than Paris Hilton. She basically parties, and photographers follow her around. I mean, so?

Forgetting her racism for a minute, she's probably a blast to have a few drinks with. And it's not like she's actually in control of anything important. Who cares what she does?

[Charles RB]

I have to admit that I've never gotten the Paris hate.

Yes, she's an atrocious human being.

There you go.

Forgetting her racism for a minute, she's probably a blast to have a few drinks with.

Yeah, someone singing "I'm a fat ugly Jewish bitch!" when tanked up would be a real blast.

(For anyone not in the know, there's a video from a party showing her doing that, as well as "I'm black and steal shit!", which made its way online. What a charming woman she is)

[Infra-Man]

Obligatory:

Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnsgOegAPfY)

Are there people who actually look up to her? I mean, I don't want to cast judgement (but I will), but those folks have got to be some vapid-ass mouth breathers.

[AaronJ]

There you go.

Yeah, but my point is that she can't DO anything. She isn't the chairwoman of the Armed Services comittee or anything. She's just a party girl.

Who the fuck cares? She has ZERO effect on your life, my life, or anyone else's life who doesn't hang with her.

Yeah, someone singing "I'm a fat ugly Jewish bitch!" when tanked up would be a real blast.

(For anyone not in the know, there's a video from a party showing her doing that, as well as "I'm black and steal shit!", which made its way online. What a charming woman she is)

Oh, she's not charming at all. And she says stupid shit all the time.

Now, that doesn't mean that she isn't fun to club with. She's a bitch and a sleazoid, but she probably knows how to have a good time.

The point is: Why bother hating the girl if she doesn't have any power? She's just a misguided, rich, slightly attractive, thin bitch who drinks a lot and goes commando on a regular basis.

So what? If I hated on every woman I met like that, I wouldn't have time for anything else in my life.

[Alan Lynch]

Honestly, I didn't mind Paris Hilton until recently. I saw her as a daft, slutty rich girl who gave me some funny headlines every so often. Then she started seeing herself as more than that, and it annoyed me.

No Paris - you can't act.

No Paris - you can't sing.

Then the prison thing hit, and she became this intolerable bitch with such a high opinion of herself that she puts herself above the law. And refers to herself as a "role model" in trying to justify it. Nope, now she just pisses me off. Nicky Hilton remained the vacuous rich girl good for a laugh. Paris is just a stuck-up cow I can't wait for people to get tired of.

[Infra-Man]

I'll chime in and just say that part of my complete dislike of Paris Hilton comes not just from her actions, but also the level of idolatry she's received from celebrity rags and even the mainstream media.

She may hold no power in a traditional sense, but she's achieved a bizarre level of celebrity status by virtue of being a ditzy party girl. She's contributed nothing to society, and yet she has her own sycophants and hangers on.

Like it or not, celebrity is a form power. I mean, seriously, I'm assuming a lot more people know more about Paris Hilton than they do about the immigration issue, health care, or the war in Iraq. There's a reason it's been dubbed the cult of celebrity.

In the end, at least amongst my friends, Paris Hilton epitomizes all the spoiled brats of the world who posses an unwarranted sense of self-entitlement. Now, if she showed some intelligence every now and then or worked hard and sincerely for a cause she believed in, I could at least say there's something redeemable about her, but like the kids on that Super Sweet 16 show, she's just another whiny twit.

[AaronJ]

Then the prison thing hit, and she became this intolerable bitch with such a high opinion of herself that she puts herself above the law. And refers to herself as a "role model" in trying to justify it. Nope, now she just pisses me off. Nicky Hilton remained the vacuous rich girl good for a laugh. Paris is just a stuck-up cow I can't wait for people to get tired of.

See, I guess I just wonder why bother with the venom at all?

What difference does Paris Hilton make in your life? Maybe I'm different. I don't know. I don't watch tv, I don't read the paper, the only time I hear about Paris is in threads like this on message boards.

I'm much concerned with my bullshit government, or the asshole cops in my neighborhood, or with Darfur.

Paris? She's just some rich party girl who is apparently rather unsavory. They are a dime a dozen. Most of them aren't as rich as Paris. But jesus, I went to high school with enough racist bitch mean-spirited rich girls to last me a lifetime.

[CBikle]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/parisPCN1107_468x746.jpg



I have the exact same shirt at home.

[AaronJ]

I have the exact same shirt at home.

It's a cool shirt.

[TheLazy]

Yeah, but my point is that she can't DO anything. She isn't the chairwoman of the Armed Services comittee or anything. She's just a party girl.

Who the fuck cares? She has ZERO effect on your life, my life, or anyone else's life who doesn't hang with her.


That is unless you happen to live in cali and your child gets hit by a drunk driver crossing the road, or if you happen to work at the Hilton and get laid off when she goes bankrupt from party debts after she inherits the Hotel line, ect

[AaronJ]

That is unless you happen to live in cali and your child gets hit by a drunk driver crossing the road, or if you happen to work at the Hilton and get laid off when she goes bankrupt from party debts after she inherits the Hotel line, ect

Umm ...

1) Living in California. How many people live in Cali? Something around 35 Million? Are you telling me that out of 35 Million people, Paris somehow has an effect on your life? How exactly? Do you go to the same clubs? Do you know the same people?

2) Drunk driving. How exactly does Paris driving drunk really effect you? You do realize that millions of people drive drunk every night, right?

3) Ummm ... the Hilton chain is not going to go bankrupt, and Paris is worth, despite all her partying and legal issues, many, many, many millions of dollars. She's made something like $30-$50 Million on her own. And that doesn't take into account the hundreds of millions she will inherit.

She has ZERO effect on your life.

[TheLazy]

Umm ...

1) Living in California. How many people live in Cali? Something around 35 Million? Are you telling me that out of 35 Million people, Paris somehow has an effect on your life? How exactly? Do you go to the same clubs? Do you know the same people?

2) Drunk driving. How exactly does Paris driving drunk really effect you? You do realize that millions of people drive drunk every night, right?

3) Ummm ... the Hilton chain is not going to go bankrupt, and Paris is worth, despite all her partying and legal issues, many, many, many millions of dollars. She's made something like $30-$50 Million on her own. And that doesn't take into account the hundreds of millions she will inherit.

She has ZERO effect on your life.

She has zero effect on my life yes, thats because I'm an English man, yes gov'nor, indeed. But she does have an effect on peoples life, small yes, but I'm just waiting for the day one of her groupies OD's or she does something stupid and hurts someone. Hell, a generation of tweens are growing up wearing things and tops with slut written on, thinking that calling each other bitch and minger.

[AaronJ]

She has zero effect on my life yes, thats because I'm an English man, yes gov'nor, indeed. But she does have an effect on peoples life, small yes, but I'm just waiting for the day one of her groupies OD's or she does something stupid and hurts someone. Hell, a generation of tweens are growing up wearing things and tops with slut written on, thinking that calling each other bitch and minger.

Oh yes, and that is so Paris Hilton's fault! Come on. You can't possibly believe that.

Jesus, did no one go to school with girls like this?! I find it hard to believe I was the only one. She's a super-rich, spoiled party girl. Like I said before, they are a DIME A DOZEN. Paris just happens to be famous.

I see girls like this everytime I leave the house. Driving their brand new Escalades or Porsches, at the bars when they are 17 drinking up a storm, whatever.

It's like, who the hell cares?

[Charles RB]

Who the fuck cares? She has ZERO effect on your life, my life, or anyone else's life who doesn't hang with her.

Except for the fact she was happily driving under the influence and then without a license, thus meaning she could've hit and injured/killed someone. At that point, she is potentially having an impact - and she openly didn't give a shit when charged over it.

Sounds like a good reason to not like someone to me...

[quote]Oh, she's not charming at all. And she says stupid shit all the time.

Now, that doesn't mean that she isn't fun to club with.

No, someone being a complete tosser does mean they're not fun to club with - because you're clubbing with a complete tosser, and thus have to be around them.

You do realize that millions of people drive drunk every night, right?

And I hate them. So I'm not seeing how this supports your point.

I see girls like this everytime I leave the house. Driving their brand new Escalades or Porsches, at the bars when they are 17 drinking up a storm, whatever.

It's like, who the hell cares?

Well, if it's happening in front of me, I would because they might hit me with their cars or hit someone I know.

So again - how does this support your point?

[AaronJ]

And I hate them. So I'm not seeing how this supports your point.

Well, if it's happening in front of me, I would because they might hit me with their cars or hit someone I know.

So again - how does this support your point?

It means that Paris is no different than millions of people every night. She's hardly worth the venom or coverage.

And I've known people who've driven under the influence of various substances. Hell! I have. Now, that's behind me, but that's not the point. I think hanging on to the "She drove drunk!" card is sort of feeble.

My original point was that I don't get the venom in the first place, because who the fuck cares about Paris Hilton anyway? And I still stand by that.

[Charles RB]

It means that Paris is no different than millions of people every night. She's hardly worth the venom

No, drunk-drivers are worth the venom because they can cause accidents and cause physical harm to people. They're a bunch of tossers and it's fairly easy to not like them.

Case in point:

Hell! I have. Now, that's behind me

Good, because when you did that you were a tosser.

Plus I'm sort of amazed you've thrown fits over Wonder Woman comics but people potentially committing manslaughter due to their own stupidity gets a "meh, who cares?". Other way around, surely?

[Alan Lynch]

I'm much concerned with my bullshit government, or the asshole cops in my neighborhood, or with Darfur.
I'm pissed off by plenty, and Paris Hilton is waaaay down the list. But she's on there all the same. She's positioned herself as some sort of role model, when her actions are a million miles from any rational person's definition of such. That's her and her people doing it. The media plays a part in not calling her on it as much as they should, but that doesn't absolve her of blame.

Darfur doesn't affect me either. Shit, what have I been worried about? Time for a beer!

[Charles RB]

Darfur doesn't affect me either. Shit, what have I been worried about? Time for a beer!

You raise a good point! Fuck caring about foreign problems - I'm playing Sonic 3 instead!

(I am finally THIS CLOSE to beating Launch Base Zone...)

[Alan Lynch]

Man, Sonic the Hedgehog has ruined so many nights. Damn that blue bastard.

[Tommy]

And shall we not forget her attempt at subverting the justice system?

I think I might have to repost my essay on why people hate Paris Hilton.

[AaronJ]

I'm pissed off by plenty, and Paris Hilton is waaaay down the list. But she's on there all the same. She's positioned herself as some sort of role model, when her actions are a million miles from any rational person's definition of such. That's her and her people doing it. The media plays a part in not calling her on it as much as they should, but that doesn't absolve her of blame.

The media is directly responsible for you even knowing who Paris Hilton is!

She is just a rich girl. Like I've said about a dozen times in this thread, they are a dime a dozen. Good lord, you don't have live in Bel Air. Even here in li'l ol' Michigan, I see girls just like her Every. Single. Day. i went to school with those girls. Some of them were sweet, some of them were bitches on wheels.

And how in god's name has she positioned herself as some kind of role model?! Huh? She puts out perfume. How is that a role model? I may not be a Paris Hilton expert, but I don't know of anytime she ever said she was a role model. And even if she did, anyone who follows her is a complete moron.

Darfur doesn't affect me either. Shit, what have I been worried about? Time for a beer!

I agree about the beer. But, that's pretty much true 24/7. :)

I disagree about Darfur not affecting you. I think when horrors are perpetrated upon humanity, it affects all of us. Look at how much guilt there is over the Holocaust. We all lose a little humanity when we allow these things to persist.

Plus I'm sort of amazed you've thrown fits over Wonder Woman comics but people potentially committing manslaughter due to their own stupidity gets a "meh, who cares?". Other way around, surely?

Oh come on. Don't play that card. We are on a COMICS MESSAGE BOARD for god's sakes! If this were an opera board, I would throw fits about opera.

And someone "potentially" doing somethin DOES indeed get a "meh" from me. Someone *actually* doing something, however ....

I jsut don't have the energy to hate Paris Hilton. I find her mildly attractive, completely selfish and a huge bitch. Big deal. I know lots of women that I could say the same about. The difference is that Paris is famous.

And like I already said, I don't even hear about her except on message boards. And even then, only when people who for some reason hate her start threads about her.

If no one ever started a thread or mentioned Paris Hilton, she would leave my consciousness altogether after a while.

[Dazzler]

Who would HONESTLY wear that top ANYWAY besides her?

And Bree? There ARE obscenity laws in several states....

Actually....i would. She's become so popular to hate that now it seems the time to use her as a tool of irony.

So therefore, I would wear said shirt. I started liking her once that video was shown of her using racial epithets and saying the word "faggot".

--Dazz

[Tommy]

The media is directly responsible for you even knowing who Paris Hilton is!
And Paris is responsible for the media coverage she gets. She went out to make herself famous and now she has to deal with the consequences of that.

And how in god's name has she positioned herself as some kind of role model?! Huh? She puts out perfume. How is that a role model? I may not be a Paris Hilton expert, but I don't know of anytime she ever said she was a role model. And even if she did, anyone who follows her is a complete moron.
I believe in her big "Free Paris" campaign she (or maybe it was her mother) [stated she was a role model and shouldn't go to jail for breaking the law.

We all lose a little humanity when we allow these things to persist.
And we loose a little humanity when we allow drunk drivers to not face the consequences of our actions. We loose a little humanity when someone believes they are above the law because they are rich.

And someone "potentially" doing somethin DOES indeed get a "meh" from me. Someone *actually* doing something, however ....
So we should just wait around until someone dies? I think if we care so little for human life that we won't do anything to save it from an untimely death, then we loose a little humanity.

[Charles RB]

I think I might have to repost my essay on why people hate Paris Hilton.

Oh yes please!

[Alan Lynch]

The media is directly responsible for you even knowing who Paris Hilton is!
Never argued that. Not sure why that means I should find her any less of a shitty human being, and be angry about that.
She is just a rich girl. Like I've said about a dozen times in this thread, they are a dime a dozen. Good lord, you don't have live in Bel Air. Even here in li'l ol' Michigan, I see girls just like her Every. Single. Day. i went to school with those girls. Some of them were sweet, some of them were bitches on wheels.
Again, not an issue. I dislike a ton of people in my everyday life as well; doesn't mean I shouldn't save a bit of that for other people in the world too.
And how in god's name has she positioned herself as some kind of role model?! Huh? She puts out perfume. How is that a role model? I may not be a Paris Hilton expert, but I don't know of anytime she ever said she was a role model. And even if she did, anyone who follows her is a complete moron.
Are you kidding me? She appealed to people to sign the petition to keep her out of jail using the exact phrase "role model". She's compared herself to Marilyn Monroe (herself a really shitty role model, natch) and has a whole gaggle of media people shilling her as America's Princess.

Yes, the people who look up to her are morons. Guess what? Kids are morons! Taken as a whole, they're stupid, impressionable little folks who mistakenly take media figures as role models rather than people around them. Paris is playing to that every damn day, and it's reprehensible.
I disagree about Darfur not affecting you. I think when horrors are perpetrated upon humanity, it affects all of us. Look at how much guilt there is over the Holocaust. We all lose a little humanity when we allow these things to persist.
Hey, I have to actively look to find updates on Darfur. I could go about my day with not a care in the world if I wanted to avoid it, and most people do. It affects nobody in the West a jot if they don't want it to. Guilt might come, but it'll come later and again - will affect only those who let it. Saying "it doesn't affect you" isn't a compelling argument in cases like this.
Oh come on. Don't play that card. We are on a COMICS MESSAGE BOARD for god's sakes! If this were an opera board, I would throw fits about opera.
Way to avoid the point there, by the way. Paris is frivolous. Comics are frivolous. Discuss.
And someone "potentially" doing somethin DOES indeed get a "meh" from me. Someone *actually* doing something, however ....
I don't get that. You don't see the common sense in taking preventative measures? Are you saying it's cool to drink and drive so long as you get away with it?

[Tommy]

Oh yes please!

The reason people seem to “hate” Paris Hilton and delight in her suffering (aka pure shadenfreude) is that her personal stances (which admittedly she probably didn’t realize she was making) have caused her to be the perfect symbol of what many, many, MANY people are against.

Class Warfare: Paris was born with more money than most people will ever see in their lives. In fact she spends more money on a birthday party than most people make in their lives. She did nothing to deserve this money, and her billions of opportunities (including all the money she has managed to earn through books, TV and modeling) come from this money. She is the perfect symbol of an American Aristocracy who though undeserving is ruling this country.

Feminism: Paris has taken her sexuality and made it into her own means of generating money/fame. Whether it is a sex tape entering the public sphere right before her TV show airs, showing her vagina to the paparazzi, or her parade of boyfriends she has whored herself to a remarkable extent. And in so doing has taught a generation of young girls to sleep their way to the top.

Morality: A few years ago we were all talking about people voting for moral values. Well Paris has shown little/no ethics whatsoever. She showed her lack of commitment when she participated in a “vote or die” campaign and didn’t vote. She showed her lack of sexual morality when her armature porn hit the air. And now she is attempting to undermine the legal system flouting ethics once more.

Celebrity Culture: People are now getting fatigued with the non-stop press that celebrities receive. Events like Anna Nicole’s funeral paint the current celebrity mania in the worst possible light. And who is the most obvious target for Celebrity/Tabloid ire? Paris Hilton. The woman who has done nothing to deserve any kind of fame other than act like a stupid spoiled whore, and yet she is covered almost daily by the entertainment news.

Paris Hilton is public enemy number one since she has made her notoriety off being everything wrong with American culture in many people’s eyes.

[AaronJ]

And Paris is responsible for the media coverage she gets. She went out to make herself famous and now she has to deal with the consequences of that.

Uh-huh. And the consequences of that are a bunch of people on message boards, who will never meet her, talking about how much they hate her?

I think she can take it.

I believe in her big "Free Paris" campaign she (or maybe it was her mother) [stated she was a role model and shouldn't go to jail for breaking the law.

Yeah, and that makes her a role model, right? RIGHT?!

Jesus. How sheepish are people, anyway?

And we loose a little humanity when we allow drunk drivers to not face the consequences of our actions. We loose a little humanity when someone believes they are above the law because they are rich.

Yeah, because there's really an equivalency there, between Paris driving inebriated and millions of people being raped and murdered.

Are you fucking serious?!

So we should just wait around until someone dies? I think if we care so little for human life that we won't do anything to save it from an untimely death, then we loose a little humanity.

Enforce the law. Whatever.

But I'm not going to condemn Paris Hilton, or anyone else for htat matter, as a murderer because she HAD THE POTENTIAL to kill someone.

Jesus effing Christ! By that standard, WE ARE ALL MURDERERS!

[Dazzler]

Are you kidding me? She appealed to people to sign the petition to keep her out of jail using the exact phrase "role model". She's compared herself to Marilyn Monroe (herself a really shitty role model, natch) and has a whole gaggle of media people shilling her as America's Princess.


Whatevs. Marilyn never claimed to BE a role-model. And she actually did good things for people. She actively set out to do them as opposed to being forced to for her image or as part of community service. Besides, how in the WORLD could she be considered a "really shitty role model" out of curiosity?
I don't know what that flies all over me....but Marilyn's off limits with me.

--Dazz

[Charles RB]

has a whole gaggle of media people shilling her as America's Princess.

America's princess, my arse. The royal family here donate to charitable causes, are big on the environment and make their homes carbon-neutral (in Prince Charles' case) and serve or have served in the army. Paris Hilton, meanwhile, is physically incapable of doing anything useful in case her plastic outer skin melts.

[snip]

Thank you!

[AaronJ]

Way to avoid the point there, by the way. Paris is frivolous. Comics are frivolous. Discuss.

Comics are art. Some of them are good art. Some of them are horrifically bad art. But they are art.

I do not, under any circumstances, consider art frivolous. The life of a rich party girl I will most likely never meet? Yeah, couldn't care less. But art? Never will I grant anyone that it is frivilous.

I don't get that. You don't see the common sense in taking preventative measures? Are you saying it's cool to drink and drive so long as you get away with it?

There's a law. It was enforced. But I don't consider Paris Hilton a murderess becuase she might have, possibly, at some time, killed someone.

No, sir.

[Dazzler]

America's princess, my arse. The royal family here donate to charitable causes, are big on the environment and make their homes carbon-neutral (in Prince Charles' case) and serve or have served in the army. Paris Hilton, meanwhile, is physically incapable of doing anything useful in case her plastic outer skin melts.


The royal family are glorified tourist attractions. They're frivolous and completely unnecessary to the continuation of the country. The princes, though they may be serving in the army, are totally the Paris Hiltons of Great Britain. You need only follow the rags to see what kind of juvenile buffoonery harry gets into on a seemingly daily basis.

--Dazz

[Karl O'Neill]

Guys and Girls,

JSA #7 is out this week,(citizen steel)

must you discuss paris poxy hilton?

[Infra-Man]

Guys and Girls,

JSA #7 is out this week,(citizen steel)

must you discuss paris poxy hilton?

Which reminds me, I need to pick up my comics this week.

[Charles RB]

But I'm not going to condemn Paris Hilton, or anyone else for htat matter, as a murderer because she HAD THE POTENTIAL to kill someone.

I'm quite happy to condemn her for not giving a shit if she killed or crippled someone, and thus for thinking others don't count and the law doesn't count.

[AaronJ]

Class Warfare:

Feminism:

Morality:

Celebrity Culture:

I disagree with every point expressed here.

Paris Hilton is public enemy number one since she has made her notoriety off being everything wrong with American culture in many people’s eyes.

Then why don't people fucking pick up some Faulkner or go to the goddamned opera?! Ignore this crap, and it won't have any sticking power.

Jesus. People, through whatever pathetic mania they are suffering from, make this celebrity culture into what it is, then complain about it 24/7.

Why not ignore it? Why not finally read "War and Peace"? Why not read some cummings, or listen to Beethoven? Or read Geoff Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth? Whatever. God almighty, there are people who have never read Watchmen! Some of whom, actually read comics!

Why not freakin' ignore the rest of this worthless crap, and read Watchmen?!

See, this is what I don't get. This is the point I don't udnerstand. WHY BOTHER?!

[Tommy]

Uh-huh. And the consequences of that are a bunch of people on message boards, who will never meet her, talking about how much they hate her?

I think she can take it.
Actually she can't. Look on the web and you will find a video where Paris starts to cry when someone reads her message board postings.

Yeah, and that makes her a role model, right? RIGHT?!

Jesus. How sheepish are people, anyway?

She considers herself a role model. It doesn't necessarily make her one, but with the level of media coverage she gets it makes highly likely.

Yeah, because there's really an equivalency there, between Paris driving inebriated and millions of people being raped and murdered.

Are you fucking serious?!
Yes I am, and yes there is. See murder, rape, and drunk driving are all things we call "crimes." If someone subverts the justice system on one it makes it that much easier to subvert it on others.

Also what the hell does that tangent have to do with "And we loose a little humanity when we allow drunk drivers to not face the consequences of our actions. We loose a little humanity when someone believes they are above the law because they are rich?"

Enforce the law. Whatever.

But I'm not going to condemn Paris Hilton, or anyone else for htat matter, as a murderer because she HAD THE POTENTIAL to kill someone.

Jesus effing Christ! By that standard, WE ARE ALL MURDERERS!

We aren't condemning her for being a murderer. We are condemning her for driving wile intoxicated three times and twice with a suspended license.

[Tommy]

I disagree with every point expressed here.
And you are free to do so. You're wrong, but you are free to do so.

Then why don't people fucking pick up some Faulkner or go to the goddamned opera?! Ignore this crap, and it won't have any sticking power.

Jesus. People, through whatever pathetic mania they are suffering from, make this celebrity culture into what it is, then complain about it 24/7.

Why not ignore it? Why not finally read "War and Peace"? Why not read some cummings, or listen to Beethoven? Or read Geoff Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth? Whatever. God almighty, there are people who have never read Watchmen! Some of whom, actually read comics!

Why not freakin' ignore the rest of this worthless crap, and read Watchmen?!

See, this is what I don't get. This is the point I don't udnerstand. WHY BOTHER?!

Yes. Why bother caring about the state of our justice system?

[Karl O'Neill]

I disagree with every point expressed here.



Then why don't people fucking pick up some Faulkner or go to the goddamned opera?! Ignore this crap, and it won't have any sticking power.

Jesus. People, through whatever pathetic mania they are suffering from, make this celebrity culture into what it is, then complain about it 24/7.

Why not ignore it? Why not finally read "War and Peace"? Why not read some cummings, or listen to Beethoven? Or read Geoff Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth? Whatever. God almighty, there are people who have never read Watchmen! Some of whom, actually read comics!

Why not freakin' ignore the rest of this worthless crap, and read Watchmen?!

See, this is what I don't get. This is the point I don't udnerstand. WHY BOTHER?!

I agree with Diana fan,

is this Diana fan from newsarama?

well, im the General grievous over there too, what up?

[Dazzler]

And yet, the only time the moral outrage for drunk driving shows itsself is only once Paris Hilton does it. Then people are coming out of the woodwork to condemn, condemn, condemn. Before she did it, it was pretty much in the realm of MADD.
There are ACTUAL murderers and rapists and child molestors flouting the justice system everyday and it elicits a "meh". Paris Hilton flouts it and suddenly it's like everyone suddenly wants to tell it like it is.
People are giving her way too much cultural importance and then procede to bitch about it.

--Dazz

[Tommy]

And yet, the only time the moral outrage for drunk driving shows itsself is only once Paris Hilton does it. Then people are coming out of the woodwork to condemn, condemn, condemn. Before she did it, it was pretty much in the realm of MADD.

I think you will find plenty of people on this board and elsewhere who where just as vehemently against drunk driving prior to Paris's third arrest.

They are "crawling out of the woodwork" now since there is suddenly a reason to talk about it.

[Charles RB]

The royal family are glorified tourist attractions. They're frivolous and completely unnecessary to the continuation of the country.

Actually, in occassions of constitutional crisis - which has occured three times in her reign - the queen who sorts it out. The British Prime Minister also has a weekly meeting with her, which they apparently take very seriously as she pays attention to political issues.

And in private, several of them do heavy charitable work which admittedly isn't necessary to the continuation of the UK but is still preferable to it not happening.

The princes, though they may be serving in the army, are totally the Paris Hiltons of Great Britain.

They're drunken twerps, yes, but so far AFAIK haven't ever been in a position to commit manslaughter and still actually have a job, which puts them two up on Paris. (One of them did beat up a tabloid photographer once - good!)

[Dazzler]

I think you will find plenty of people on this board and elsewhere who where just as vehemently against drunk driving prior to Paris's third arrest.

They are "crawling out of the woodwork" now since there is suddenly a reason to talk about it.
Exactly my point. PARIS HILTON has to be your reason to talk about drunk driving being bad?
Why not drunk driving is bad being the reason to talk about drunk driving being bad?

--Dazz

[Charles RB]

Exactly my point. PARIS HILTON has to be your reason to talk about drunk driving being bad?

No one started a thread about an incident of drunk driving beforehand. If they had, you'd be seeing the same comments of drunk drivers being a bunch of fuckwits.

[Tommy]

Exactly my point. PARIS HILTON has to be your reason to talk about drunk driving being bad?
Why not drunk driving is bad being the reason to talk about drunk driving being bad?

While I am sure people occasionally post "Drunk Driving Sucks" with out any reference to anything somewhere online, for the most part in order to start a conversation about a subject there needs to be an impetus. There are plenty of things I feel strongly about, but until a reason to talk about them materializes out of the either I am not going to think of posting my beliefs on those subjects online.

[Tommy]

No one started a thread about an incident of drunk driving beforehand. If they had, you'd be seeing the same comments of drunk drivers being a bunch of fuckwits.

And I know I have seen on the Comm board at least one thread about drunk driving prior to Paris Hilton with those sorts of comments.

[Charles RB]

And I know I have seen on the Comm board at least one thread about drunk driving prior to Paris Hilton with those sorts of comments.

I thought there'd been one but wasn't sure.

[Dazzler]

Well, mores the pity, then. If Paris Hilton gets these conversations started because they're not talked about without her (or some other pop culture celebrity phenomenon) being the impetus, then she's getting exactly the kind of name-dropping free press, celebrity continuation that people claim to hate.

--Dazz

[Alan Lynch]

Whatevs. Marilyn never claimed to BE a role-model. And she actually did good things for people. She actively set out to do them as opposed to being forced to for her image or as part of community service. Besides, how in the WORLD could she be considered a "really shitty role model" out of curiosity?
I don't know what that flies all over me....but Marilyn's off limits with me.

--Dazz
Oh no, I'm not saying that Marilyn ever positioned herself as any sort of role model. Chill out. I think she was a talented actress who was surrounded and taken advantage of by some bad people. She had problems and dealt with them in an understandable, but tragic, way. I think she's a really shitty role model because she didn't live the sort of life I'd particularly want any young girls to aim for. Nothing against her, or you, in any way.
Comics are art. Some of them are good art. Some of them are horrifically bad art. But they are art.

I do not, under any circumstances, consider art frivolous. The life of a rich party girl I will most likely never meet? Yeah, couldn't care less. But art? Never will I grant anyone that it is frivilous.
Absolutely they're art. I maybe worded that wrongly - they don't affect me. Not in the way you seemed to be implying that something had to in order to justify me getting angry about.
There's a law. It was enforced. But I don't consider Paris Hilton a murderess becuase she might have, possibly, at some time, killed someone.
Nobody considers her a murderess. Just reckless and, at the time she was driving, quite dangerous. You can't ignore that - drunk drivers are dangerous assholes who deserve to be punished. That she thought her celebrity overruled that defies belief.

[AaronJ]

And you are free to do so. You're wrong, but you are free to do so.

Nice. Maybe you should ask yourself why you know so much about Paris Hilton, and then reasses who is "wrong" in this discussion.

Yes. Why bother caring about the state of our justice system?

I'm fairly sure I know more about our system of "Justice" than you do, and from both sides of the bar. I think both Hugo and Foucault would have some interesting comments on this.

You want to do something about our "Justice" system? Volunteer at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Work for Amnesty International. Crusade.

Bitching about Paris Hilton? Not really making a dent, dude.

I agree with Diana fan,

is this Diana fan from newsarama?

well, im the General grievous over there too, what up?

Yep, this is me in all my insane glory. :)

How ya doing, General?

[Dazzler]

Oh no, I'm not saying that Marilyn ever positioned herself as any sort of role model. Chill out. I think she was a talented actress who was surrounded and taken advantage of by some bad people. She had problems and dealt with them in an understandable, but tragic, way. I think she's a really shitty role model because she didn't live the sort of life I'd particularly want any young girls to aim for. Nothing against her, or you, in any way.

;) I'm chill....just a huge Marilyn geek.

And i would say that Marilyn lived a life that we should try to instill in young people today.....for the most part. There were just facets of her life that were scandalous and taboo for the 50's but are possible more acceptable today.
But they might not be to everyone's taste.

--Dazz

[Tommy]

Nice. Maybe you should ask yourself why you know so much about Paris Hilton, and then reasses who is "wrong" in this discussion.
I have spent the past ten years studying and working in the media/entertainment industry. The strange case of Paris Hilton pretty much has to be talked about. A lot.

I'm fairly sure I know more about our system of "Justice" than you do, and from both sides of the bar. I think both Hugo and Foucault would have some interesting comments on this.
Well, your confused and obtuse style of argumentation would make you something of a lawyer. Not a good one, but still...

[Charles RB]

then she's getting exactly the kind of name-dropping free press

Comments like "she could've hurt someone and she doesn't care, what a complete bitch, I'm glad she was sent to jail" on an MB are not free press. They don't benefit her. That's like saying stories about the BAE Systems corruption scandal are free press for BAE.

It's that same "no publicity is bad publicity!" line that is basically bollocks - there are entire professions and companies in existence because bad publicity exists and people want to avoid it.

[Karl O'Neill]

Nice. Maybe you should ask yourself why you know so much about Paris Hilton, and then reasses who is "wrong" in this discussion.



I'm fairly sure I know more about our system of "Justice" than you do, and from both sides of the bar. I think both Hugo and Foucault would have some interesting comments on this.

You want to do something about our "Justice" system? Volunteer at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Work for Amnesty International. Crusade.

Bitching about Paris Hilton? Not really making a dent, dude.



Yep, this is me in all my insane glory. :)

How ya doing, General?

Im grand, sitting at my desk in work with a pile of new comics by my side,
JSA, green lantern, batman confidential. superman and GAY 1

im heading back to the rama now,

over and out:)

[AaronJ]

Absolutely they're art. I maybe worded that wrongly - they don't affect me. Not in the way you seemed to be implying that something had to in order to justify me getting angry about.

Art affects me. But we can discuss this all day long, it won't get us anywhere.

There have been operas, however, that strarted revolutions. And the '68 riots in France were ignited by Langlois' firing as the director of the Cinematheque francaise.

Nobody considers her a murderess. Just reckless and, at the time she was driving, quite dangerous. You can't ignore that - drunk drivers are dangerous assholes who deserve to be punished. That she thought her celebrity overruled that defies belief.

People are reckless all the time. They do stupid things all the time. That's the way life is.

I don't want to bother hating on people who are "reckless".

As to the fact that she thought she could get out of her situation, think about her life. Her entire life has most likely been one long string of "I'm Paris Hilton!" and handing over a few hundred dollar bills. I would be shocked if she HADN'T been shocked!

[Sabrinaset]

I gotta dig up my post from a week or so ago as to why I dislike the skank. I think it's on comm somewhere.

[Lester C.]

Paris Hilton shows us what she cares about the most ... Paris Hilton! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=467670&in_page_id=1773)

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/parisPCN1107_468x746.jpg

Hope that handbag can hold enough of those drugs she's never used to keep herself and her friends happy! :)

I think it has something to do with her being a Californian blond bombshell.

*Runs and hides in sheer terror of being shot*

[Sabrinaset]

Okay, while I lock and load my rifle and head off to find Lester, I found my post about why I hate Paris here. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5017284&postcount=660)

Hehe not true here

In my case, I can't stand Paris ... how do I put it? Mr. McEnery will like this one ... Tom Harkin, I think, referred to President George H. W. Bush, with the comment "He's a guy who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple." And that's Paris. Without her 40 million dollar trust-fund account, she'd be lucky to be working the third shift at McDonalds, and certainly wouldn't be blowing the equivelent of California's GNP up her nose in white powder, only to be virtually ignored by the police for far longer than the hoi polloi would have because she's, well, a 40-million dollar trust fund baby. Meanwhile here I am working my butt off and ...

No, wait. Let's NOT make it about me. Let's make it about my garbageman, the meter maid, my teachers, the mailman, even the person working the third shift at McDonalds who put in an honest days work for an honest days wage, and then tell me that a social parasite should be getting one one-millionth of the press she should be getting when people who REALLY make this country work and actually have a set of morals worth talking about are virtually ignored.

Because, I wouldn't have a problem with Paris if she'd earned her money. But she was simply born into it. And even THEN, I STILL wouldn't have a problem with Paris if she were at least RESPONSIBLE with her money and herself. But she isn't. And W, whatever else you think of his politics, has been more responsible with what he was born with than she has. And that's saying something.

Oh, and Diana_Fan? We have MANY other threads here where you can complain about things NOT Paris related, please enjoy them all and make sure you check out the YABS gift section on the way out!

[CBikle]

She appealed to people to sign the petition to keep her out of jail using the exact phrase "role model". She's compared herself to Marilyn Monroe (herself a really shitty role model, natch) and has a whole gaggle of media people shilling her as America's Princess.

Yes, the people who look up to her are morons. Guess what? Kids are morons! Taken as a whole, they're stupid, impressionable little folks who mistakenly take media figures as role models rather than people around them. Paris is playing to that every damn day, and it's reprehensible.


Maybe Paris meant she should be considered a "cautionary" role-model of what not do do or just sending the simple message:

Life is a lot easier if you happen to be good-looking and rich, so try to be those two things.

[Sabrinaset]

Weren't there MORE people who signed a petition to keep Paris in jail?

[Dazzler]

Comments like "she could've hurt someone and she doesn't care, what a complete bitch, I'm glad she was sent to jail" on an MB are not free press. They don't benefit her. That's like saying stories about the BAE Systems corruption scandal are free press for BAE.

Oh it is absolutely free press. It's a basic word of mouth grassroots brand name recognition technique. People talk about "what a bitch" she is and talk and talk and talk about how horrible she is, thinking that they're bad mouthing her and what they're actually doing is making her MORE famous by ingraining her in the popular mindset. People buy magazines devoted entirely to how awful Paris Hilton is because they feel good hating her, but they may not realize they're actually putting money in someone's pocket one way or another. The worst thing that Paris Hilton could ever hear is "I don't care about you in the slightest."

It's that same "no publicity is bad publicity!" line that is basically bollocks - there are entire professions and companies in existence because bad publicity exists and people want to avoid it.
In the case of Paris Hilton and others, that old adage is true. The modern bad girls are making entire careers on having bad press. Someone is always making money by keeping these people famous. So they WANT you to think she's a reckless bitch-whore. So they can sell magazines. Being in a magazine makes people want to invite you to parties and pay you 50,000 for the possibility that you MAY show up. Both she and the people that seem to giving her bad press are making money on making sure that everyone, including on MB's are talking about what a loser she is.
Or Britney.
Or Lindsey.
Or nameless slut robot number 4.


--Dazz

[Solaris]

Or Britney.
Or Lindsey.
Or nameless slut robot number 4.


--Dazz


I thought her name was "Paris"??? (or is it "Perez"? People keep spelling her name both ways, in the news).

;) :D

Write it down, folks: "Slut" Sells.

And you always thought it was "sex." *coy moue*

[Infra-Man]

Or nameless slut robot number 4.

Wasn't that a Lou Bega song?

[CBikle]

I also think a lot of the hate for Paris stems from jealousy; she basically "parties" for a living.

Who wouldn't want that ?

[Sabrinaset]

I thought her name was "Paris"??? (or is it "Perez"? People keep spelling her name both ways, in the news).

You may be confusing Paris with "Perez Hilton" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perez_hilton), some Hollywood blogger who apparently is always getting himself in a lot of hot water.

[Charles RB]

Oh it is absolutely free press. It's a basic word of mouth grassroots brand name recognition technique.

Yeah, we recognise her as inane and worthless. And - here's the crucial bit - that's all we're doing.

So this:

People buy magazines devoted entirely to how awful Paris Hilton is

is wrong, because all we here on this board are not buying magazines because of her. We don't need to. We're easily able to deride her online, we don't need to - and don't - spend a penny.

Nobody makes money just from people trashing her on a message board and doing nothing else, besides whoever CBR pays to keep its message board - and that's hardly relevant.

[Cam63]

And yet, the only time the moral outrage for drunk driving shows itsself is only once Paris Hilton does it. Then people are coming out of the woodwork to condemn, condemn, condemn. Before she did it, it was pretty much in the realm of MADD.
There are ACTUAL murderers and rapists and child molestors flouting the justice system everyday and it elicits a "meh". Paris Hilton flouts it and suddenly it's like everyone suddenly wants to tell it like it is.
People are giving her way too much cultural importance and then procede to bitch about it.

--Dazz

I'd physically harm rapists and child molesters.

Paris just gets my disrespect.

[Sabrinaset]

I think I remember some outrage over drunk driving when Mel Gibson was caught soused as well. Heck, even going back to Ted Kennedy, at least. Paris is far from the first, but she is the most idiotic.

[AaronJ]

I think I remember some outrage over drunk driving when Mel Gibson was caught soused as well. Heck, even going back to Ted Kennedy, at least. Paris is far from the first, but she is the most idiotic.

Wait.

Hold up.

You don't remember the OTHER reasons that both Gibson and Kennedy were horrifically criticized?!

Do "Anti-Semitism" and "Death of a Young Woman" ring a bell at all?

[Cam63]

I didn't like how Caligula rode his chariots all wined up.

...Stupid Roman.

[Sabrinaset]

Wait.

Hold up.

You don't remember the OTHER reasons that both Gibson and Kennedy were horrifically criticized?!

Do "Anti-Semitism" and "Death of a Young Woman" ring a bell at all?

Oh, I remembered all right, but I also definitely remember the fact that both were driving drunk was also (rightfully) pillorized. Mel would have been even if he wasn't yelling about the Jews and calling that cop "sugar tits".

[AaronJ]

Oh, I remembered all right, but I also definitely remember the fact that both were driving drunk was also (rightfully) pillorized. Mel would have been even if he wasn't yelling about the Jews and calling that cop "sugar tits".

No one would hardly have noticed, if he hadn't started throwing around Anti-Semitic slurs.

It would just have been another Hollywood star in a dust-up. Big freakin' deal.

The reason it was on front pages, the reason it was on talk shows, the reason it was it was in the public consciousness at all, was because of the Anti-Semitiic hatered spewed forth.

Otherwise? "Gibson hit for DUI in Malibu" on page 4.

[Dazzler]

Yeah, we recognise her as inane and worthless. And - here's the crucial bit - that's all we're doing.

And HERE'S a crucial bit too: You're still talking about her. We're debating her. That's the most important part to her, her press agents, the rags. It's free press. She's made a career or being a bad girl and a public figure.

is wrong, because all we here on this board are not buying magazines because of her. We don't need to. We're easily able to deride her online, we don't need to - and don't - spend a penny.

Nobody makes money just from people trashing her on a message board and doing nothing else, besides whoever CBR pays to keep its message board - and that's hardly relevant.

So...you can say for 100% certainty that no one on this board buys magazines featuring the latest Paris Hilton trash? Wow, you're amazing.
And even discounting CBR, there are other boards totally devoted to Paris, loving and hating her, that feeds into the cultural phenomenon that created her. WE may not be buying magazines just because we hate her, but it's not unheard of or a completely asinine fact.
Names in the news DO make money just by being trashed or prasied depending on their public image. You think Paris did Larry King for free? You think she shows up to clubs out of the goodness of her heart? She shows up because people talk about her, for ill or good, the media and other venues pick up that chatter and pay her to be near them. It's all linked in some fashion.

--Dazz

[Charles RB]

And HERE'S a crucial bit too: You're still talking about her. We're debating her. That's the most important part to her, her press agents, the rags. It's free press

Again - no it's NOT. Because the image of not caring if she kills someone? Not part of the press she wants. This is a very simple concept.

And what, you think her press agents care about this board?

So...you can say for 100% certainty that no one on this board buys magazines featuring the latest Paris Hilton trash?

I know I don't, I'd be quite surprised if most of the others expressing either total apathy or loathing for her do. Why would they? They don't like her and anything they might want to know can be found online for free anyway.

And even discounting CBR, there are other boards totally devoted to Paris

Which this isn't and which AFAIK nobody dissing her here posts on. So that's irrelevant.

[Dazzler]

Again - no it's NOT. Because the image of not caring if she kills someone? Not part of the press she wants. This is a very simple concept.



I know I don't, I'd be quite surprised if most of the others expressing either total apathy or loathing for her do. Why would they? They don't like her and anything they might want to know can be found online for free.



Which this isn't and which AFAIK nobody dissing her here posts on. So that's irrelevant.

Ok, then.
However you want to look at it.
I'm done here.

--Dazz

[Sabrinaset]

You think Paris did Larry King for free?

I think Paris would do anything on two or four legs for free.

[mgs]

You may be confusing Paris with "Perez Hilton" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perez_hilton), some Hollywood blogger who apparently is always getting himself in a lot of hot water.

he's actually some gay blogger dude in Florida. He was on z100 the other day. All these girls, mostly young, were calling in saying how obsessed they were with him humour and site.

Ironically, he gained his notoriety by being obsessed with all the bad things about Paris would do and blogged about it. Now, he is synonymous with all the other celeb watchers while gaining monetary value off it. He's as bad as all the papers, tv shows and sites that celeb obsess.

[Dazzler]

I think Paris would do anything on two or four legs for free.

Please. I just ate.

--Dazz

[Alan Lynch]

Weren't there MORE people who signed a petition to keep Paris in jail?
Thousands more, IIRC. It wasn't even close.
No one would hardly have noticed, if he hadn't started throwing around Anti-Semitic slurs.

It would just have been another Hollywood star in a dust-up. Big freakin' deal.

The reason it was on front pages, the reason it was on talk shows, the reason it was it was in the public consciousness at all, was because of the Anti-Semitiic hatered spewed forth.

Otherwise? "Gibson hit for DUI in Malibu" on page 4.
This is actually true. Robin Williams got caught drunk on or around the same night and nobody really cared. The Jew-bashin definitely got Mel noticed.

Also, that Sugartits line made for an awesome t-shirt.

[Infra-Man]

I think Paris would do anything on two or four legs for free.

Don't discount arachnids or gastropods.

[Alan Lynch]

Don't discount arachnids or gastropods.
I think we can all agree there's a fair chance she'd sit on any old penis left lying around, regardless of what it was attached to.

[Infra-Man]

I think we can all agree there's a fair chance she'd sit on any old penis left lying around, regardless of what it was attached to.

Even, say, a detatchable penis being sold on a blanket next to a toaster oven in St. Mark's Place, where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street?

[Sabrinaset]

Don't discount arachnids or gastropods.

I actually had considered adding the line "And I wouldn't rule out centipedes either", but I figured the point had been made :)

[Alan Lynch]

Even, say, a detatchable penis being sold on a blanket next to a toaster oven in St. Mark's Place, where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street?
Especially a detatchable penis being sold on a blanket next to a toaster oven in St. Mark's Place, where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street. She can fit that in her purse.
I actually had considered adding the line "And I wouldn't rule out centipedes either", but I figured the point had been made :)
Centipedes are vaguely phallic (kind of), so that'd just open a whole bunch of images I'd rather not deal with sober.

[Solaris]

Even, say, a detatchable penis being sold on a blanket next to a toaster oven in St. Mark's Place, where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street?

Instead of "Tit for Tat"... "Twit for Twat"?

:D

[AaronJ]

I love how it is totally fine to call someone a slut if you just don't like her.

[Infra-Man]

I love how it is totally fine to call someone a slut if you just don't like her.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[Alan Lynch]

I love how it is totally fine to call someone a slut if you just don't like her.
Well only if they're slutty. I don't like Robert Mugabe either, but I'm not sure the word "slut" fits in that instance.

[Tommy]

I love how it is totally fine to call someone a slut if you just don't like her.

Perhaps if she hadn't whored her way to being famous people wouldn't call her a slut.

[AaronJ]

I'm honestly surprised that people are defending the "slut" appellation.

Seriously, you couldn't just say that you think she is abhorrent? You have to call her a slut?

[Sabrinaset]

I'm honestly surprised that people are defending the "slut" appellation.

Seriously, you couldn't just say that you think she is abhorrent? You have to call her a slut?

How about we compromise and call her an abhorrent slut? :p

[Tommy]

I'm honestly surprised that people are defending the "slut" appellation.

Seriously, you couldn't just say that you think she is abhorrent? You have to call her a slut?

Actually I would say "slut" is inaccurate. Since she deliberately used sex (and not just sex appeal) as a means to increase her fame she falls squarely in the "Whore" category.

[Infra-Man]

If you don't mind me asking, diana_fan, why the quibble with semantics?

Could it be that people are calling her a slut because she has exhibited slutty behavior; and if so, what would be wrong with using the word "slut" to describe someone who has exhibited slutty behavior?

[hellokittykat]

Sluttatious whore maybe?

Dammit! I said to myself that I wasn't going to acknowlege her existance!:mad: Curse you Mr Rogers!!!

[Rob on the Job]

Seems like an awful lot of attention being lavished on someone whom people profess to despise.

[Spackling Compound]

How about we compromise and call her an abhorrent slut? :p

That would be appropriate out of respect for the slut community that may be offended here.

[AaronJ]

If you don't mind me asking, diana_fan, why the quibble with semantics?

Could it be that people are calling her a slut because she has exhibited slutty behavior; and if so, what would be wrong with using the word "slut" to describe someone who has exhibited slutty behavior?

I'm sick to death of people calling other human beings "sluts" and "whores", that's why.

Don't get me wrong, I've known women who would qualify as sluts. They called themselves that. My friend Lisa slept with over 300 guys before she was 18. THAT is a slut. And she was more than willing to accept the appellation, which she proudly wore.

But other people tossing around words like slut and whore, and applying them to actual human beings, no matter how how foul? No. Just fucking no.

I'm sick to freakin' death of every woman that isn't agreeable being called a slut or a whore.

It's disgusting. Look, don't like Paris all you want. I don't like her, either. But there's no cause to call her a slut or a whore. She lives her life, you live yours. It's thta simple.

[Tommy]

It's disgusting. Look, don't like Paris all you want. I don't like her, either. But there's no cause to call her a slut or a whore. She lives her life, you live yours. It's thta simple.

Hehehehehe...

Causes to call her a slut:

1. She achieved fame first by getting the New York tabloids to cover all of her antics, quite a lot of which focused on her sex life.

2. She achieved national fame with the release of her sex video (it is debatable whether she was in on the release or like she claims, she was a victim). But it was extraordinary good timing.

3. She maintained fame with a parade of boyfriends and endlessly flashing the paparazzi her various sexual body parts. (And a brush up with yet another sex tape.)

Causes to call her a whore:

1. She used her sex life as a means to receive fame which she channeled into as many paying gigs as she could. Which means if she wasn't a super slut she would not be making money. Thus making her a whore.

It has nothing to do with being disagreeable. It has to do with her past actions.

[Charles RB]

But other people tossing around words like slut and whore, and applying them to actual human beings, no matter how how foul?

Slut is wrong to use on humans but abhorrent is fine?

[AaronJ]

OK, as long as we're all fine with calling people sluts and whores, then it's all good.

Just don't be surprised if someone you care about is called a slut. Since, you know, it's fine.

[Tommy]

OK, as long as we're all fine with calling people sluts and whores, then it's all good.

Just don't be surprised if someone you care about is called a slut. Since, you know, it's fine.


Well if one of my friends did what Paris did, I would call him or her a slut and a whore myself.

[AaronJ]

Well if one of my friends did what Paris did, I would call him or her a slut and a whore myself.

I find it sort of amusing that these words are tossed around so freely, on this board of all boards.

If you don't realize how wrong SLUT and WHORE are as words, I don't know what to tell you.

[Tommy]

I find it sort of amusing that these words are tossed around so freely, on this board of all boards.

If you don't realize how wrong SLUT and WHORE are as words, I don't know what to tell you.

whore (hôr, hōr)
n.
A prostitute.
A person considered sexually promiscuous.
A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

Seems to me she fits all three categories so I fail to see what is wrong about using it.

slut (slŭt)
n.

A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous.
A woman prostitute.
A slovenly woman; a slattern.

Well I am not so sure we can make a judgment upon whether she is slovenly. But once more I feel that the image she has created for herself fills this category nicely.

[Infra-Man]

I'm sick to death of people calling other human beings "sluts" and "whores", that's why.

Don't get me wrong, I've known women who would qualify as sluts. They called themselves that. My friend Lisa slept with over 300 guys before she was 18. THAT is a slut. And she was more than willing to accept the appellation, which she proudly wore.

But other people tossing around words like slut and whore, and applying them to actual human beings, no matter how how foul? No. Just fucking no.

I'm sick to freakin' death of every woman that isn't agreeable being called a slut or a whore.

It's disgusting. Look, don't like Paris all you want. I don't like her, either. But there's no cause to call her a slut or a whore. She lives her life, you live yours. It's thta simple.

To be fair, though, diana_fan, you seem to be coming at the use of the word "slut" without regard to the person the word is referring to. It's almost like a word/referent vacuum, maybe. "Slut" and "whore" can be hurtful words and are definitely loaded, but they can also be (like it or not) accurate ways to describe an individual.

I suppose I'm looking at this as a word/referent issue rather than how you're viewing it. If the referent exhibits the qualities exemplified by a given word, why object to the use of the word to refer to that referent if the word is an accurate label for the referent? In other words, if an entity is a duck, why object to the use of the word "duck" to label the duck in question.

Here it's not a question of calling her a slut because some people do not like her. She is being called a slut because she has exhibited the qualities and behaviors associated with the word "slut." If she did not exhibit extremely slutty behavior and did not have a reputation for promiscuity, I'd definitely say the use of the word "slut" is unwarranted. However, given what she's done... welll... as stated before: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc.

[Leslie Lee III]

I find it sort of amusing that these words are tossed around so freely, on this board of all boards.

Psst...fanboy feminism only applies to fictional characters.

[AaronJ]

To be fair, though, diana_fan, you seem to be coming at the use of the word "slut" without regard to the person the word is referring to. It's almost like a word/referent vacuum, maybe. "Slut" and "whore" can be hurtful words and are definitely loaded, but they can also be (like it or not) accurate ways to describe an individual.

I agree with you. Which is why I made the point that I have actually known women who have referred to themelsves, and acted like sluts.

I suppose I'm looking at this as a word/referent issue rather than how you're viewing it. If the referent exhibits the qualities exemplified by a given word, why object to the use of the word to refer to that referent if the word is an accurate label for the referent? In other words, if an entity is a duck, why object to the use of the word "duck" to label the duck in question.

Becuse "duck" isn't loaded. It isn't a way of immediately dismissing a female. It isn't a way of making a woman somehow worthless, through name-calling.

If someone wants to use the word slut or whore, then do so when absolutely applicable. Don't do it just to besmirch someone. Don't do it to make one's self feel superior. Don't do it just to call someone a name.

Slut is an ugly word. So is whore.

Here it's not a question of calling her a slut because some people do not like her. She is being called a slut because she has exhibited the qualities and behaviors associated with the word "slut." If she did not exhibit extremely slutty behavior and did not have a reputation for promiscuity, I'd definitely say the use of the word "slut" is unwarranted. However, given what she's done... welll... as stated before: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc.

So, it's fine to call any woman who sleeps with more than one man a slut? I just want to be sure, you know, for future reference.

And it is damned sure that people are calling Paris a slut because they don't like her. If they did like her, they wouldn't call her that.

People use words for a reason. In this case, it is to demean.

[AaronJ]

Psst...fanboy feminism only applies to fictional characters.

You know, it's hilarious that *I*, of all people here, would be accused of that.

But feel free, buddy.

[Leslie Lee III]

You know, it's hilarious that *I*, of all people here, would be accused of that.

But feel free, buddy.

I'm not accussing you, I'm offering a reason for why this "amusing" situation is occurring. A superhero drawn with a short skirt? It's a crime and she a victim. A women has her privacy invaded in one of the most unimaginable way and she's a whore/slut who probably planned the whole thing.

[Tommy]

Becuse "duck" isn't loaded. It isn't a way of immediately dismissing a female. It isn't a way of making a woman somehow worthless, through name-calling.

If someone wants to use the word slut or whore, then do so when absolutely applicable. Don't do it just to besmirch someone. Don't do it to make one's self feel superior. Don't do it just to call someone a name.

Slut is an ugly word. So is whore.



So, it's fine to call any woman who sleeps with more than one man a slut? I just want to be sure, you know, for future reference.

And it is damned sure that people are calling Paris a slut because they don't like her. If they did like her, they wouldn't call her that.

People use words for a reason. In this case, it is to demean.

So now you are the vast and powerful psychic who can read people's minds and interoperate what they really mean despite their having explicitly stated exactly what they mean? If I had psychic powers of your level I might think this is one massive desperation gambit since every point you have made so far has been blown to hell. But then again I would never do that.

Of course I won't get into how morally reprehensible it is to try to dictate what words are part of someone else's vocabulary. Particularly when it is a perfectly accurate description of reality.

[AaronJ]

I'm not accussing you, I'm offering a reason for why this "amusing" situation is occurring. A superhero drawn with a short skirt? It's a crime and she a victim. A women has her privacy invaded in one of the most unimaginable way and she's a whore/slut who probably planned the whole thing.

Jeez. I'm so on the defensive that I just assumed I was being attacked. I gotcha.

And yes, it's very ironic.

[Reverend Smooth]

I'm not accussing you, I'm offering a reason for why this "amusing" situation is occurring. A superhero drawn with a short skirt? It's a crime and she a victim. A women has her privacy invaded in one of the most unimaginable way and she's a whore/slut who probably planned the whole thing.Two completely different issues.

I actually agree with diana_fan here, though. What's wrong with sleeping around and being sexually promiscuous? As long as she uses condoms and so on, etc, what's the big deal?

I'm not a Paris Hilton fan at all, since I don't like stupid people much, but I also don't get the victorian-esque morality going on.

[Infra-Man]

Becuse "duck" isn't loaded. It isn't a way of immediately dismissing a female. It isn't a way of making a woman somehow worthless, through name-calling.

If someone wants to use the word slut or whore, then do so when absolutely applicable. Don't do it just to besmirch someone. Don't do it to make one's self feel superior. Don't do it just to call someone a name.

Slut is an ugly word. So is whore.

The bolded section is exactly what I'm talking about, actually. Again, if a person exhibits the qualities of a word or phrase, then what is wrong with using that word or phrase to describe or label that individual? And we both agree that it's applicable in certain cases.

So, it's fine to call any woman who sleeps with more than one man a slut? I just want to be sure, you know, for future reference.

No, and that's an extremely disingenous way to frame the definition of "slut." Nowhere did I say that a slut is any woman who sleeps with more than one man nor did anyone on this thread (if I recall correctly) state that a slut is a person who sleeps with more than one partner.

Now, if we're parsing words, technically a slut has slept with more than one person, though there is a distinction between a person who has slept with more than one person and a person who can be labelled a slut. Review the definition of slut that Tommy posted. As perhaps vague as language is (which is the nature of language, really, since, too oversimplify, language is an abstraction of entities and actions), the definition of "slut" lays out the qualities exhibited by a slut relatively clearly.

And it is damned sure that people are calling Paris a slut because they don't like her. If they did like her, they wouldn't call her that.

People use words for a reason. In this case, it is to demean.

Earlier you also said "My friend Lisa slept with over 300 guys before she was 18. THAT is a slut."

Does your use of the word "slut" in that sentence mean that you do not like Lisa or were you simply using the word "slut" to describe her?

[AaronJ]

Now, if we're parsing words, technically a slut has slept with more than one person, though there is a distinction between a person who has slept with more than one person and a person who can be labelled a slut. Review the definition of slut that Tommy posted. As perhaps vague as language is (which is the nature of language, really, since, too oversimplify, language is an abstraction of entities and actions), the definition of "slut" lays out the qualities exhibited by a slut relatively clearly.

But wouldn't it be better if we didn't call women sluts at all? That's my point, I guess. I realize that the word means something. That it describes a certain activity. I do, really.

But I think we all might be a little better off by not using certain words, especially when referring to someone for whom there is grave dislike. Believe me when I say that I am not some ultra-sensitive type. That's not how I roll. But there are certain things that just bother me. This is one of them.

Earlier you also said "My friend Lisa slept with over 300 guys before she was 18. THAT is a slut."

Does your use of the word "slut" in that sentence mean that you do not like Lisa or were you simply using the word "slut" to describe her?

Actually, I use that word to apply to her because she used to apply to herself. I don't know if that makes sense. But if she had never referred to herself as a slut (repeatedly), then I would certainly never call her that.

Sure it describes her actions. That I don't disagree with. And I am only partially comfortable using that word to describe her because she called herself that word.

I mean, I guess, that I don't know how intimately familiar with Paris Hilton's sex life we all are to be issuing her names. If she is sleeping around with any guy who happens to be present, then I guess it is ok. I would rather the word "promiscuous" be used, but that's just me.

It all comes down to the fact that I'm sick and tired of people being referred to as sluts and whores. It really doesn't get any deeper than that.

[Infra-Man]

But wouldn't it be better if we didn't call women sluts at all? That's my point, I guess. I realize that the word means something. That it describes a certain activity. I do, really.

But I think we all might be a little better off by not using certain words, especially when referring to someone for whom there is grave dislike. Believe me when I say that I am not some ultra-sensitive type. That's not how I roll. But there are certain things that just bother me. This is one of them.

I see what you're getting at, and yeah, there are plenty of words that I don't really dig either that I usually steer clear from using. There are definitely certain words that people hear that just rub them the wrong way.

Actually, I use that word to apply to her because she used to apply to herself. I don't know if that makes sense. But if she had never referred to herself as a slut (repeatedly), then I would certainly never call her that.

Sure it describes her actions. That I don't disagree with. And I am only partially comfortable using that word to describe her because she called herself that word.

That's another issue whenever dealing with loaded words--it's almost like you need to know the right situation to use it so you don't feel like a jerk using the word. It's almost like we have a different language when we interact with different people. In a weird way, though nothing like the word "slut," it's like me calling a good friend an "asshole" in an endearing way while I wouldn't really throw the word around so flippantly in other situations.

I mean, I guess, that I don't know how intimately familiar with Paris Hilton's sex life we all are to be issuing her names. If she is sleeping around with any guy who happens to be present, then I guess it is ok. I would rather the word "promiscuous" be used, but that's just me.

It all comes down to the fact that I'm sick and tired of people being referred to as sluts and whores. It really doesn't get any deeper than that.

I understand. Just a preference in word use, and it's something we all do.

[AaronJ]

I think that those words just push by buttons, and it is as simple as that.

What's funny about it is that it's probably due to my coming to comics recently. I never would have given it a second though, most likely, if there weren't so many "Supergirl is a slut" posts on message boards.

It's somehow fitting that art leads to a change in assessment of vocabulary.

[TheLazy]

It means that Paris is no different than millions of people every night. She's hardly worth the venom or coverage.

And I've known people who've driven under the influence of various substances. Hell! I have. Now, that's behind me, but that's not the point. I think hanging on to the "She drove drunk!" card is sort of feeble.

My original point was that I don't get the venom in the first place, because who the fuck cares about Paris Hilton anyway? And I still stand by that.

The millions of people who buy up this press coverage shit, and someone must be buying it because if it didnt sell there wouldnt be any. Look at Sudan, 3 people probably died since I started my post, but it gets 3 inches a week {insert penis joke} and Paris gets a page a day.


Plus I'm sort of amazed you've thrown fits over Wonder Woman comics but people potentially committing manslaughter due to their own stupidity gets a "meh, who cares?". Other way around, surely?

Steal

[Solaris]

I agree with you. Which is why I made the point that I have actually known women who have referred to themelsves, and acted like sluts.



Becuse "duck" isn't loaded. It isn't a way of immediately dismissing a female. It isn't a way of making a woman somehow worthless, through name-calling.

If someone wants to use the word slut or whore, then do so when absolutely applicable. Don't do it just to besmirch someone. Don't do it to make one's self feel superior. Don't do it just to call someone a name.

Slut is an ugly word. So is whore.



So, it's fine to call any woman who sleeps with more than one man a slut? I just want to be sure, you know, for future reference.

And it is damned sure that people are calling Paris a slut because they don't like her. If they did like her, they wouldn't call her that.

People use words for a reason. In this case, it is to demean.

Yes, slut and whore are words that I usually object to, in how people often use them... because they use them as you said: if a girl sleeps with more than one person, many people call her a slut. If she dresses in a provocative fashion, many people call her slut.

I've objected to such erroneous labeling myself, in hearing it applied to someone.

But... in the case of Paris Hilton, she really *is* a slut, IMO:

-She doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself

-She uses her body and sex to gain fame, and does so in a calculated, deliberate fashion

-I would bet that she doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone she sleeps with---see point number one

-She's a spoiled rotten brat

Now, none of those *by themselves* would equal slut to me... but putting them all together, yes, they do. Most especially, point number one.

Let's put it this way: Here's a woman who had a very loud hissy fit in a public restaurant because when she was handed a menu, she was expected to read it, in order to decide what she wanted. Further, she DEMANDED that SOMEONE come read the menu TO her.

Loud, obnoxious, promiscuous, rude, selfish, uses her body for fame and attention... putting it all together = slut to me.

And I'm an exhibitionist myself, and am not the type to "cast stones while living in a glass house."

To me, "slut" isn't just about sexual activity... it's about the person's *attitude* as well. If you only exist to be her blow-up doll, and she practices collecting them and using her performance with them to get attention, she's a slut.

To the Paris Hilton's of the world, the rest of us are just blow-up dolls. And what's really sad is that this young woman has had every advantage, financially, that a child could be blessed with. Even if her parents were crapola to her (which I don't know, one way or the other), there are plenty of people who've grown past parental hurts to genuinely *care* for someone else besides themselves.

Basically, she's a user and an abuser. That too is part of the "slut" mentality, IMO.

And that's just wrong.
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[Reverend Smooth]

Probably makes her more of a ho than a slut, since it's for a profitable cause.

On the other hand, hos are ok, too. The girls at the bunny ranch seem nice. :3 And I wouldn't want to associate them with someone like Hilton.

[Solaris]

It means that Paris is no different than millions of people every night. She's hardly worth the venom or coverage.

And I've known people who've driven under the influence of various substances. Hell! I have. Now, that's behind me, but that's not the point. I think hanging on to the "She drove drunk!" card is sort of feeble.

My original point was that I don't get the venom in the first place, because who the fuck cares about Paris Hilton anyway? And I still stand by that.


Part of the reason she gets attention is that Americans love a circus---and Paris provides one. They love sensationalism; she gives that too.

Part of the reason people who *don't* like her get so worked up is, IMO, because they look at all the advantages she's grown up with, and what a cold, uncaring, shallow person she is---and it makes them angry. It's human nature to wish that, if someone is going to be blessed with better resources than you, that at least they be a *nice* person. Paris *isn't* nice. She is selfish, rude, and a brat. She doesn't care a rat's ass about anyone else's hard work, or what other people have suffered---but when *she* feels pain, it's supposed to be frontpage news.

Whether or not it's nice of regular people to feel that way, I think it's pretty accurate. In fact, this has given me an idea for a poll... *goes off to start new thread*

[AaronJ]

Part of the reason she gets attention is that Americans love a circus---and Paris provides one. They love sensationalism; she gives that too.

This troubles me, as "reality" tv troubles me. It touches on my initial point: Who the hell cares? Or, rather, WHY does anyone care?

Part of the reason people who *don't* like her get so worked up is, IMO, because they look at all the advantages she's grown up with, and what a cold, uncaring, shallow person she is---and it makes them angry. It's human nature to wish that, if someone is going to be blessed with better resources than you, that at least they be a *nice* person. Paris *isn't* nice. She is selfish, rude, and a brat. She doesn't care a rat's ass about anyone else's hard work, or what other people have suffered---but when *she* feels pain, it's supposed to be frontpage news.

Honestly, that's a long expression of jealousy. She has money, I don't, so I hate her. To me, it doesn't matter what kind of person Paris Hilton is, since she neither has power, nor do I know her.

Whether or not it's nice of regular people to feel that way, I think it's pretty accurate. In fact, this has given me an idea for a poll... *goes off to start new thread*

Your poll is funny. :)

[Cam63]

I find her to be an irritating cow.

[Sabrinaset]

Looks like there's gunna be a probe (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-paris13jul13,0,7165273.story?coll=la-home-center) into whether Paris Hilton was treated better than most while in jail.

No big deal. I'm sure Paris is used to being probed.

[Solaris]

This troubles me, as "reality" tv troubles me. It touches on my initial point: Who the hell cares? Or, rather, WHY does anyone care?



Honestly, that's a long expression of jealousy. She has money, I don't, so I hate her. To me, it doesn't matter what kind of person Paris Hilton is, since she neither has power, nor do I know her.



Your poll is funny. :)

Well, it was a spinoff of the idea of "people hate Paris because she's a bitch AND she's always had money..." :D And that's the whole idea---I was curious to see how many folks would be able to say "no," or if they said "yes," then why.

And yeah, it likely is a form of jealousy... or rather, envy I think describes it better. We all *wish* we had such resources (or, most do)... and if we don't get them, it's at least nice to know that the person who *does* have them is a good person... because it makes you feel better about it, somehow.

I'm just observing human behavior and feelings with that... but I think it's true, nonetheless.

Personally, I *do* wish that someone with the material resources she has had since birth actually *cared* about other people. Oh, I don't expect someone to donate or give *all* their income, etc... and I don't mind if they do things like, say, buy a $5,000 pair of sunglasses or something; after all, it's their money. I just like seeing people with ginormous wealth showing some kind of *caring* for, and appreciation of, other people, whether it's in their actions, donations, or both.

Which is why celebs who make it big, and do something to help people along with enjoying what they've earned (like Hugh Jackman and Deborah Lee Furness) will always be tops in my book.

[Dazzler]

I think I started a debate about the word slut. Just by using it. Whaddaya know, it's true: Words have power.

Paris Hilton is still a slut, though.
Me, I'm a whore.

--Dazz

[Charles RB]

Let's put it this way: Here's a woman who had a very loud hissy fit in a public restaurant because when she was handed a menu, she was expected to read it, in order to decide what she wanted. Further, she DEMANDED that SOMEONE come read the menu TO her.

Why oh WHY would someone deliberately antagonise people who will be handling their food? :confused:

[Sabrinaset]

Why oh WHY would someone deliberately antagonise people who will be handling their food? :confused:

It's a good question. When I was a waitress at Denny's, I heard of more than one person who was rude to the waitress, and ended up with certain secret and unsuspected surprises in their food.

Not that *I* ever did that, of course!

The answer is that Paris is an idiot. If her IQ was the numerical equal of the number of her STD's, she'd be a flock of freakin' Einsteins. Instead, it's equal to the number of good books Chuck Austen has written.

[Dazzler]

When I was a waiter, I once had a customer who was so unbelieveably rude to me that I put her biscuits in my armpits.

I did so without an ounce of shame or guilt.

--Dazz

[jpk]

The answer is that Paris is an idiot. If her IQ was the numerical equal of the number of her STD's, she'd be a flock of freakin' Einsteins. Instead, it's equal to the number of good books Chuck Austen has written.

Thank you! I'll be here all week! :D

[TheLazy]

It's a good question. When I was a waitress at Denny's, I heard of more than one person who was rude to the waitress, and ended up with certain secret and unsuspected surprises in their food.

Not that *I* ever did that, of course!

The answer is that Paris is an idiot. If her IQ was the numerical equal of the number of her STD's, she'd be a flock of freakin' Einsteins. Instead, it's equal to the number of good books Chuck Austen has written.

Hey hey, lets keep this civil, Chuck Austen does not compare to Paris Hilton and lets not suggest so.

Besides, whatever the waiter puts on the food can't be worse that what Paris has already had in there.

[Sabrinaset]

When I was a waiter, I once had a customer who was so unbelieveably rude to me that I put her biscuits in my armpits.

The way our Denny's was arranged, the sercurity cameras were where the cooks were, so they saw and heard how the waitresses were treated. I sometimes learned after the fact that if some customer had treated me badly, that the cooks had prepared their Grand Slam breakfast with certain extra ingrediants. Those guys treated us like their own daughters; they really loved us. I have to say, there are many times I miss that place and the crew I worked with.

I'm dunno if the cooks there did the same thing to Paris. But I'm willing to bet she didn't tip.

Dazz, if you had done that at MY Denny's, the customer would have complimented the crew on how much better the biscuits tasted. "Uhm ... new recipe, Ma'am ... secret herbs and spices, yeah, that's it ...!"

[Night Swordsman]

The way our Denny's was arranged, the sercurity cameras were where the cooks were, so they saw and heard how the waitresses were treated. I sometimes learned after the fact that if some customer had treated me badly, that the cooks had prepared their Grand Slam breakfast with certain extra ingrediants. Those guys treated us like their own daughters; they really loved us. I have to say, there are many times I miss that place and the crew I worked with.

I'm dunno if the cooks there did the same thing to Paris. But I'm willing to bet she didn't tip.

Dazz, if you had done that at MY Denny's, the customer would have complimented the crew on how much better the biscuits tasted. "Uhm ... new recipe, Ma'am ... secret herbs and spices, yeah, that's it ...!"

You meant secret herbs and Old Spices,right? :D

[Dazzler]

Dazz, if you had done that at MY Denny's, the customer would have complimented the crew on how much better the biscuits tasted. "Uhm ... new recipe, Ma'am ... secret herbs and spices, yeah, that's it ...!"

You're very right about that. And, actually, the biscuits were the ONE thing she complimented.
My armpits are apparently "yummy".

--Dazz

[Sabrinaset]

You meant secret herbs and Old Spices,right? :D

I can't believe I didn't see that one coming.

[Sabrinaset]

By the way, I was curious about whether Paris is a good tipper or not, and found this (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01012007/gossip/pagesix/paris_stiffs_em_pagesix_.htm) ... apparently, she likes stiffing the working class.

I think that's at least part of the reason for the Paris Animus ... the poor thing has never had a real job. I think everyone else here has done their share in the blue-collar world, but this pampered bratling doesn't even know how to fill up her own car. (http://celebridiot.com/gossip/index.php/2007/01/09/paris-hilton-doesnt-know-how-to-pump-gas/) I think if somebody waved a magic wand, took away her money, fame, and possessions, and she appeared in a normal apartment with a normal job waiting for her, she'd starve to death because she couldn't figure out how to open the door to go outside without her handlers doing it for her.

[Copper]

I may be a bit late coming into this--but I don't think the whole brouhaha was ever over her getting arrested over a DUI. If that's all it was, we would have probably gotten two or three weeks' coverage over the story and that would have been it. Rather, I think people are angry about her attitude over the whole thing.

She ended coming into court 20 minutes late. As if that wasn't bad enough, both her and her mother weren't taking the charges at all seriously, and acting like it was yet another photo opportunity. Now I'm no lawyer, but I really don't think making a mockery of the justice system is a good way to start things off--hell if the judge was feeling especially cranky, he could have charged her with contempt which meant jail time right off the bat. From snippets I've heard, she wasn't taking the process seriously at all--until it became apparent even to her that no, she wasn't going to get away, and yes, she was going to have to own up to her mistakes.

Obviously this was something foreign and terrifying for the little princess, and then there's this news of that inane petition to Schwarzenagger about why she shouldn't go to jail--basically assuming that her overblown view of herself was shared by her "public." I think it was at that point that mild annoyance turned to outrage. Because yet again, it was being shoved in our faces that while they say that "all men are equal in the eyes of that law" there's this disclaimer in fine print that says "unless you're a celebrity and have lots of zeros in your bank account." Sure, in the grand scheme of things people get in trouble for this all the time. But the aggravating thing is that Paris didn't feel that the rules applied to her simply because of who she is.
Couple that with the fiasco with the sheriff and her house arrest, and for a while it looked like she'd get away with something which would have meant automatic jail time for anyone else. And then some people wonder why there's such a backlash.

It's not surprising though--she's probably one of those people who go into a chinese restaurant and order a burger simply because she can, and there's dozens of hangers-on telling her what she wants to hear all the time. For the first time, she was told "no", and she threw a tantrum. And now she's getting rewarded for being punished, and people magazine and interview shows are treating her like she survived being in a war zone.

Yeah, I don't see why people hate that either.

[Night Swordsman]

It means that Paris is no different than millions of people every night. She's hardly worth the venom or coverage.

And I've known people who've driven under the influence of various substances. Hell! I have. Now, that's behind me, but that's not the point. I think hanging on to the "She drove drunk!" card is sort of feeble.

My original point was that I don't get the venom in the first place, because who the fuck cares about Paris Hilton anyway? And I still stand by that.

I read the below quote,DF,and instantly thought of your earlier post. Copper hits it RIGHT on the head,and in a wonderful way. Well done.
Presenting the REASON for the venom:

I may be a bit late coming into this--but I don't think the whole brouhaha was ever over her getting arrested over a DUI. If that's all it was, we would have probably gotten two or three weeks' coverage over the story and that would have been it. Rather, I think people are angry about her attitude over the whole thing.

She ended coming into court 20 minutes late. As if that wasn't bad enough, both her and her mother weren't taking the charges at all seriously, and acting like it was yet another photo opportunity. Now I'm no lawyer, but I really don't think making a mockery of the justice system is a good way to start things off--hell if the judge was feeling especially cranky, he could have charged her with contempt which meant jail time right off the bat. From snippets I've heard, she wasn't taking the process seriously at all--until it became apparent even to her that no, she wasn't going to get away, and yes, she was going to have to own up to her mistakes.

Obviously this was something foreign and terrifying for the little princess, and then there's this news of that inane petition to Schwarzenagger about why she shouldn't go to jail--basically assuming that her overblown view of herself was shared by her "public." I think it was at that point that mild annoyance turned to outrage. Because yet again, it was being shoved in our faces that while they say that "all men are equal in the eyes of that law" there's this disclaimer in fine print that says "unless you're a celebrity and have lots of zeros in your bank account." Sure, in the grand scheme of things people get in trouble for this all the time. But the aggravating thing is that Paris didn't feel that the rules applied to her simply because of who she is.
Couple that with the fiasco with the sheriff and her house arrest, and for a while it looked like she'd get away with something which would have meant automatic jail time for anyone else. And then some people wonder why there's such a backlash.

It's not surprising though--she's probably one of those people who go into a chinese restaurant and order a burger simply because she can, and there's dozens of hangers-on telling her what she wants to hear all the time. For the first time, she was told "no", and she threw a tantrum. And now she's getting rewarded for being punished, and people magazine and interview shows are treating her like she survived being in a war zone.

Yeah, I don't see why people hate that either.

This hits right to heart of the matter. If it was just some inane twit(and i am not sure i am using the right vowel,there) and her sexacapes and lack of talent,she would of quietly faded away after her TV show eventually folded. But the reason people LOATHE her is not only for her ability to BUY her way out of trouble that 90% of america would be facing HARD time over AND the reduced sentence and other nonsense that her "punishment" caused AND the mockery of the judicial system she created. This alone would earn her America's disdain.

But she took it one step further: Her attitude.
Her constant "I don't care,you are keeping me from my next appointment/This is a nice photo-op,i wonder if i can plug some merchandise and make some deals from all of this" outlook on all of this,and now her "emergence" as a "changed" woman,all the while partying it up and making MORE money for her exclusive tell-alls of the "rigors" of her punnishment.

See,DF,It is NOT the fact we hate her for her money. We hate HOW she is USING the money to circumvent not only justice,but using it to make MORE money off of it.

[Cam63]

Maybe the public and the press should learn to ignore the selfish cow.

[Leslie Lee III]

I hope someone figured this out in the previous 4 pages, but she probably just saw/was given the shirt and wore it because it's pretty hilarious. If I was a celebrity and people were making shirts with my grill on it I'd wear them. Hell, Steve-O tattooed his face on himself.

But the reason people LOATHE her is not only for her ability to BUY her way out of trouble that 90% of america would be facing HARD time over AND the reduced sentence and other nonsense that her "punishment" caused AND the mockery of the judicial system she created.

Which America is that? I've had plenty of friends busted for similar things and none of them got hard time. Sure, they were all white and middle class and that may have been a factor, but this country does not take drunk driving nearly as seriously as it should. That's not Hilton's fault.

[Cam63]

I love beer, but I don't wear it as fashion.

[Sabrinaset]

Maybe the public and the press should learn to ignore the selfish cow.

It's been tried (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2007-03-01-919715477_x.htm).

I figure eventually the problem will take care of itself soon enough. She'll either OD or wrap her car around a tree. Either way ... funeral coverage for a week, then it's over.

[Tobias March]

I love beer, but I don't wear it as fashion.

Tends to be a bit stinky alright.

[Cam63]

It's been tried (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2007-03-01-919715477_x.htm).

I figure eventually the problem will take care of itself soon enough. She'll either OD or wrap her car around a tree. Either way ... funeral coverage for a week, then it's over.

" funeral coverage for a week, then it's over. "

Not if ET has it's evil, evil way...

[Cam63]

Tends to be a bit stinky alright.

How dare you say beer stinks !

[Alan Lynch]

BI think everyone else here has done their share in the blue-collar world, but this pampered bratling doesn't even know how to fill up her own car. (http://celebridiot.com/gossip/index.php/2007/01/09/paris-hilton-doesnt-know-how-to-pump-gas/)
She's Wonder Woman!

Apparantly. I never read the book in question.

[Deathstroke]

Well look at it this way people, no matter how badly you screw up your life, you know there will always be someone you can look DOWN upon.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

Well look at it this way people, no matter how badly you screw up your life, you know there will always be someone you can look DOWN upon.

Then I guess Paris is truly a woman without country in that respect.

[Reverend Smooth]

Apparently, she votes yearly (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19512569/) in presidential elections.

[MartinRedmond]

Paris Hilton shows us what she cares about the most ...

Wow, who cares Sabrina? You do! Big deal, people discussing her are gettin so annoying, I'm almost begining to root for her.

[Ninja Kris]

Wow, who cares Sabrina?


Twelve pages worth of posters do.

And one punk doesn't.

[AaronJ]

She's Wonder Woman!

Apparantly. I never read the book in question.

Don't even fucking joke about that.

God. Do they HAVE to ruin her?! In every way possible? Do they have to turn her into the worst, stupidest, most moronic character of all time?!




OK, I'm done.

[Hybrid2]

Don't even fucking joke about that.

God. Do they HAVE to ruin her?! In every way possible? Do they have to turn her into the worst, stupidest, most moronic character of all time?!




OK, I'm done.

*give a lollipop*

It will get better soon.

[Night Swordsman]

Don't even fucking joke about that.

God. Do they HAVE to ruin her?! In every way possible? Do they have to turn her into the worst, stupidest, most moronic character of all time?!




OK, I'm done.
Again? :rolleyes:

[Sabrinaset]

Do they HAVE to ruin her?! In every way possible? Do they have to turn her into the worst, stupidest, most moronic character of all time?!

Uhm, so DC is turning Wonder Woman into Paris Hilton ... or Chuck Austen?

[Camron Amaya]

Not to mention she's an ignorant, dumbass racist.

[Night Swordsman]

Uhm, so DC is turning Wonder Woman into Paris Hilton ... or Chuck Austen?

Bree!
You won already. Austen is NOT writing comics anymore. He hasn't for well over a year at the LEAST.
That dead horse is buried already. Let it rest in peace.

[Sabrinaset]

We have to keep hammering the wooden stake into his corpse! Who knows if he will rise from the dead!

[mgs]

but this pampered bratling doesn't even know how to fill up her own car. (http://celebridiot.com/gossip/index.php/2007/01/09/paris-hilton-doesnt-know-how-to-pump-gas/)

on this, I'd let her take a redo, mulligan, or whatever. i mean, she may not know how to do this, but I'm pretty sure I'd have no idea how to chat and/or pose on a red carpet at some gala event, if i had to try it. i might get the hang of it, but i'm pretty sure she's infinitely better at it than me. ;)

[Night Swordsman]

We have to keep hammering the wooden stake into his corpse! Who knows if he will rise from the dead!

Mentioning him will only arouse him from his unearthly sleep,Bree. All you are going to do is resurrect him.
Stop it! Or i will tell Kris that you said she would never say the words "Silly Wabbit". :p

[Night Swordsman]

on this, I'd let her take a redo, mulligan, or whatever. i mean, she may not know how to do this, but I'm pretty sure I'd have no idea how to chat and/or pose on a red carpet at some gala event, if i had to try it. i might get the hang of it, but i'm pretty sure she's infinitely better at it than me. ;)

I live in Oregon. In Oregon,self service is NOT allowed,by LAW,at Gas Stations.
In all my years of driving,i have only ONCE had to fill up a car,and that was in San Diego. It also didn't take a genius either. I was more worried about my car than anything else.

[Sabrinaset]

Yeah but this is California. EVERYONE knows how to pump gas here ... well, assuming you're past the second grade and have half a brain. C'mon, I even know how to change the oil in my car!

[Night Swordsman]

Yeah but this is California. EVERYONE knows how to pump gas here ... well, assuming you're past the second grade and have half a brain. C'mon, I even know how to change the oil in my car!

But...You're...BLONDE,Sabrina!!!

Omg...do NOT break sterotype! :p

[Alan Lynch]

We have to keep hammering the wooden stake into his corpse! Who knows if he will rise from the dead!
Funny you should mention that... (http://www.chuckaustenonline.com/)

[beetlebum]

Apparently, she votes yearly (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19512569/) in presidential elections.

I could have made a joke about that but she pretty much did it for me.:mad: Damn her and her stupidity!!! She even ruins punchlines! Yet another reason to hate her.:evilangry

[Sabrinaset]

Now, even Paris' psychiatrist is in trouble (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/06/paris-hilton-doctor-not-an-md.php) ...

First Dr. Charles Sophy got Hilton out of testifying in a $10 million slander suit against her by socialite Zeta Graff, arguing that Paris is too "emotionally distraught and traumatized" by her incarceration to testify. Then the Beverly Hills healer paid an unauthorized visit to Hilton in jail and somehow helped secure her release (albeit temporary) just three days into her 45-day sentence. How, exactly, he swayed L.A. County officials to go easy on the heiress (against judge's orders) is a mystery many members of the media would like answered. Sophy, however, has stonewalled, and now Radar has discovered that the tight-lipped doc's résumé and past ethical dealings are as shady as his persuasive legal hocus-pocus.

Until yesterday, for example, Sophy claimed on his website to hold an "Associate Clinical Professorship at the University of California, Los Angeles, Neuro-Psychiatric Institute." He does not. According to well-placed sources at UCLA, he's an unpaid volunteer clinical instructor—"an entry-level position at best," the source tells Radar. "He cannot claim himself to be a professor here by any means."

I dunno anymore.

One thing that someone told me last night, apparently a few months ago, Prince's was performing in Vegas and saw Paris Hilton in the audience and asked her to come up on stage. He then handed her the mic and told the audience, "Hey, let's see if she can really sing," That apparently pissed off Paris, who stormed outta there.

Prince is my new hero.

[heystacy]

Now, even Paris' psychiatrist is in trouble (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/06/paris-hilton-doctor-not-an-md.php) ...
I dunno anymore.

One thing that someone told me last night, apparently a few months ago, Prince's was performing in Vegas and saw Paris Hilton in the audience and asked her to come up on stage. He then handed her the mic and told the audience, "Hey, let's see if she can really sing," That apparently pissed off Paris, who stormed outta there.

Prince is my new hero.

That's Prince for you. LOL Bet she didn't want to be seen that night. LOL

[Mikl C]

I love her I think she's great!

[beetlebum]

So fucking embarrassing. Got rid of it.

[Sabrinaset]

I think I just added Beetlebum to my favorite posters list :)

[Cam63]

One thing that someone told me last night, apparently a few months ago, Prince's was performing in Vegas and saw Paris Hilton in the audience and asked her to come up on stage. He then handed her the mic and told the audience, "Hey, let's see if she can really sing," That apparently pissed off Paris, who stormed outta there.

Prince is my new hero.

I hope that's a true story.

[beetlebum]

I think I just added Beetlebum to my favorite posters list :)Thank You!!! Your so kind I have never felt so honored.. (sniffs)I promised myself I wouldn't cry...

[Cam63]

Bloody emo.

...and welcome !

[beetlebum]

Bloody emo.

...and welcome !

I AM NOT EMO!!! I MAKE EMO PEOPLE CRY!! I usually kick the crap out of the Pete Wentz's of the world ( Pete Wentz is the only emo guy I will name check considering he is the only one I know because I don't know that much about popular music, I am so out of touch) Although I do have to admit that when I see a plastic bag floating in the wind I am overcome by how much beauty there is in this world.....(sniff)

[beetlebum]

Sorry Alan, that was McBitchy.

[Alan Lynch]

Relax. I was kidding to make a point. Also? Not American - that link does nothing! :p

[beetlebum]

Relax. I was kidding to make a point. Also? Not American - that link does nothing! :p

OK. Sorry I over reacted. See how passionate I am? Your forgiven. In the words of Liam Gallagher ( one of the few moments he was coherent and not completely snoggered on blow) "I'm a lad mate, and that's fooking that!"

[AaronJ]

I find it sort of funny that people (including myself) have spent 14 pages talking about Paris, when she is supposedly "worthless."

[Cam63]

Perhaps it can't be stated often enough.

[Sabrinaset]

Not EXACTLY Paris related ... or is it?

I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad for the Hilton motels ... and yet, right after watching WWE RAW, there it was ... Conrad Hilton talking about the quality of the Hilton hotels and suchlike. Annnnd ... I can't help but wonder if maybe they're doing a lot of PR in order to counter what their errant daughter has done to their name.

[BnL]

Not EXACTLY Paris related ... or is it?

I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad for the Hilton motels ... and yet, right after watching WWE RAW, there it was ... Conrad Hilton talking about the quality of the Hilton hotels and suchlike. Annnnd ... I can't help but wonder if maybe they're doing a lot of PR in order to counter what their errant daughter has done to their name.

Well, the WWE crowd would be the logical place to start. They're a bastion of class and good taste, after all. :p

[Alex L]

Well, the WWE crowd would be the logical place to start. They're a bastion of class and good taste, after all. :p

This is true.
If even the WWE crowd condemns something as tasteless and of low quality...well, what chance do you have with anyone else in the world?

[LewisH]

of diversion is of greater worth than even the most skilled diplomat. Paris Hilton is simply the 21st century version of the village idiot or the court fool.
Just think about. You're about to sit down for tense political or business negotiations. You can just start by saying "Isn't that Paris Hilton a stupid, spoiled, whore?" and the ice is broken and you're all friends. There are few things in this world all of us can agree on but this is it.

[pariah-1972]

Honestly? shes not important enough to raise my ire
as long as shes not killing anyone or making all her friends become drug addicted alcoholic idiots
then i don't really care that much what she does or doesn't do and the more people ignore her the faster she will go away.

[Sabrinaset]

Hee! Now it's MY turn to dredge up an old thread!

Lookit Paris as she tries to get in touch with her spiritual side (http://www.hollywoodrag.com/index.php?/weblog/comments2/paris_hilton_gets_real/)

http://pics.hollywoodrag.com/gallery3/images/shaman_with_paris_hilton_with_book_03_wenn5098263_ medium.jpg

Aww, how sweet! He's trying to teach her how to read!

[beetlebum]

The only celebrity I really hate right now is Ashley Simpson. She is the only one for whom I harbor a large amount of disdain for. She can't sing, her boyfriend is a moron (anyone who is emo is a moron to me), her sister is about as bright as a burnt out light bulb that's been smashed to a million pieces, and how she convinced Timbaland to write a song for her is beyond me.

As much as I love Timbaland (he's the post modern Eddie Holland, except Tim's sound is more original, and groundbreaking) I just hate that A-Ya-Ya song. I wonder just what horrible deed he must have done in order to find his penance is to end up working with her.

(Skinned a few puppies alive? Robbed a nun? Stole food from starving third world orphans?.......)

[Cam63]

Hee! Now it's MY turn to dredge up an old thread!

Lookit Paris as she tries to get in touch with her spiritual side (http://www.hollywoodrag.com/index.php?/weblog/comments2/paris_hilton_gets_real/)

http://pics.hollywoodrag.com/gallery3/images/shaman_with_paris_hilton_with_book_03_wenn5098263_ medium.jpg

Aww, how sweet! He's trying to teach her how to read!

He's actually her poolboy and he's only 23 years old.

...Damn, she should at least look after her staff better than that.