Plagiarism sucks

[Clement]

So, did Avril Lavigne rip off this song or not:

http://www.rubinoos.com/new_site/audio/i_wanna_be_your_boyfriend.mp3


If for some reason you're thinking about saying "no" and are in obvious need of an hearing aid, please read this too:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070704/Avril_Lavigne_070704/20070704?hub=Entertainment

[Cam63]

They're both crappy songs.

[Shisho]

Silly. It's not stealing. They call it "sampling" nowadays. :rolleyes:

I will venture into Crotchetyville right now and say the entire music industry is becoming one incestuous cesspool of non-talent.

And get off my lawn.

[Cam63]

I'm still " watering " it.

[Alan Lynch]

The song owed an apology by everyone here is Hey Mickey. It's been both ripped off and cruelly shunned; how could this happen?

Avril Lavigne's new song is about 16 different kinds of awful. Roughly.

[Cam63]

The film clip is worse.

[Clement]

While I agree that both songs do suck, I think it's wrong to steal a song, even if it's a shitty one.

But this is just an example of flagrant plagiarism that will probably have very little consequences. Carlos Mencia's career isn't being in any way impeeded by joe Rogan's crusade against his joke stealing ways. Quite the contrary, it's Joe who lost his manager and has been barred from performing at the comedy store.

We've even had something similar happen in the comics industry.

Pat Lee hired Alex Milne to draw a book in his place, paid him 75$ out of the 300$ page rate he was getting to draw it, and put HIS name on the book. When people found out about this, it's Alex who was made out to be a whiny bitch. Meanwhile, people are still giving Pat Lee work.

sure, technically, that's not plagiarism, because he's not stealing the work, just grossly underpaying for it, but it's still ethically questionable.

[Shisho]

I'm still " watering " it.

*Shakes cane at young whippersnapper.*

[Tommy]

How will I get my frisbee back?

[Cam63]

*Shakes cane at young whippersnapper.*

I've never heard it called that before...

[Jack Zodiac]

Pat Lee hired Alex Milne to draw a book in his place, paid him 75$ out of the 300$ page rate he was getting to draw it, and put HIS name on the book. When people found out about this, it's Alex who was made out to be a whiny bitch. Meanwhile, people are still giving Pat Lee work.

Whoa, whoa! Is that true? That's fucking crap, man. Taking credit for another guy's work and paying him shit for it, that's not cool. And I like Pat Lee, too, and I'd been looking forward to his art on the new Metal Men series, but man, now... I don't know.

As for Avril Lavigne, if she stole her shitty songs from other shitty performers, would it really be any surprise? The bitch has no talent. She's a so-so singer and a crappy guitarist, and she looks like two different kinds of rodent in and out of her make-up. If she is ripping people off, I hope they fuckin' nail her for it. Hard, and in the public eye.

[Tobias March]

I just liked how she opened her posting online with "to my dear media, friends, and fans".

What the frick?

[shrike]

she's a dumb bitch.

overrated. ick.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

overrated. ick.

She's rated now? Damn, just when you think you know the world...

[Clement]

Avril accused of plagiarism for the 3rd time in 2 weeks, this just keeps getting better and better:
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/10/did-avril-lavigne-bite-a-peaches-track-too/

Jack, check out the archives for LITG, the Pat Lee vs Alex Milne story is detailed there. Pat Lee's career as an olympic douchebag didn't start with that though. He stole thousand of dollars from more than a dozen creators back when Dremwave folded.

[The Xenos]

When I bought her first album, I had heard a few random songs a friend sent me online. (Zomg! Illegal file sharing leads to purchase of CDs?!) I considered her like easy listening or that girl with a guitar genre like Michelle Branch or Vanessa Carlton.

Then I heard that she and her fans somehow considered her 'punk'. F---in' excuse me? This is punk? Ha. My ass it is. Just like all the idiot teenyboppers who think comics made in America can be manga or manga style, and I admit I was once in that category, these people are so full of crap.

As for plagiarism, yeah, that's quite possible. The more I learn about Avril, the more phoney she seems. Hell, she seems like a country ballad singer playing dress up as a punk rocker having no idea how to actually be punk. She can't even be original in her look, never mind her music.

Oh yeah, while I was in Japan, I saw this huge display in the music section of a store near where I was. Gaze upon her works, ye mighty and despair. Wow. (Then again their 'reggae' section had a drawing of a giant lipped rasta guy and such reggae artists as Will Smith, Janet Jackson, and Diana Ross.)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1308/copyofdsc00334do9.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyofdsc00334do9.jpg) http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1539/copyofdsc00336fe0.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyofdsc00336fe0.jpg)

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

Whoa, whoa! Is that true? That's fucking crap, man. Taking credit for another guy's work and paying him shit for it, that's not cool. And I like Pat Lee, too, and I'd been looking forward to his art on the new Metal Men series, but man, now... I don't know.

Minor correction: Duncan Rouleau is the guy doing the new Metal Men, not Lee.

[Solaris]

Avril accused of plagiarism for the 3rd time in 2 weeks, this just keeps getting better and better:
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/10/did-avril-lavigne-bite-a-peaches-track-too/

Jack, check out the archives for LITG, the Pat Lee vs Alex Milne story is detailed there. Pat Lee's career as an olympic douchebag didn't start with that though. He stole thousand of dollars from more than a dozen creators back when Dremwave folded.

So... both songs start off with a drum machine, and a girl talking in the same repetitive fashion... this one's not plagarism, IMO, merely a similarity in (sucky) style.

For similar-sounding songs... look at David Bowie w/Freddie Mercury on "Pressure," then listen to "Ice Ice Baby" for example. I remember years ago George Harrison released "My Sweet Lord," and was accused of plagarizing "He's So Fine" (link here): http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm

I'm not saying this Avril person doesn't plagarize (don't know her, don't listen to her, and after hearing that clip, don't want to listen to her)... but in the case of the Peaches song, the plagarism charge doesn't hold enough water.

[Clement]

So... both songs start off with a drum machine, and a girl talking in the same repetitive fashion... this one's not plagarism, IMO, merely a similarity in (sucky) style.

For similar-sounding songs... look at David Bowie w/Freddie Mercury on "Pressure," then listen to "Ice Ice Baby" for example. I remember years ago George Harrison released "My Sweet Lord," and was accused of plagarizing "He's So Fine" (link here): http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm

I'm not saying this Avril person doesn't plagarize (don't know her, don't listen to her, and after hearing that clip, don't want to listen to her)... but in the case of the Peaches song, the plagarism charge doesn't hold enough water.


Ice Ice baby had a sampling of under pressure. Pretty sure it said so inside the tape case booklet. Nobody was pretending that they had just come up with that bit. Are you happey now? you forced me to admit I had an Vanilla ice abum... :)

Rihana's new song contains a sampling of Blue Monday. there's not much of Blue monday in there, but it's there, and I very much doubt that Jay-Z thought he was gonna pull a fast one on people and make them think he had just invented that riff.

Beck and The Beastie Boys often sample really obscure, almost unknown stuff, yet they give credit where credit is due. that's called respect and integrity.

If Avril wants to borrow the intro from a Peaches song, she should be allowed to do so, if Peaches agrees to it, and is credited and paid for it. Same goes for the Rubinoos and for any other song she might have "sampled" from.

when you say in an interview that a song is one of your favorites in the world and that you listen to it over and over again, and then you put out an album that contains a song with the exact same intro as THAT song, you have to be pretty dumb to expect people to think it's a coincidence.

[Alan Lynch]

Ice Ice baby had a sampling of under pressure. Pretty sure it said so inside the tape case booklet. Nobody was pretending that they had just come up with that bit. Are you happey now? you forced me to admit I had an Vanilla ice abum... :)
Actually, Ice embarrassingly claimed there was no sample. There's an interview from MTV at the time of him trying to point out the obvious differences in the basslines by doing impressions of them. It's brass balls of the highest order.

[Solaris]

Ice Ice baby had a sampling of under pressure. Pretty sure it said so inside the tape case booklet. Nobody was pretending that they had just come up with that bit. Are you happey now? you forced me to admit I had an Vanilla ice abum... :)...



Well, at least you didn't have to admit to owning a Milli Vanilli album. :D ;)

As to giving credit, yep, if she's borrowing from other artists, she ought to credit them on the album. If she doesn't, yes it's plagarism, IMO.

But this girl sounds too stupid to tie her own shoes with the help of five clowns and a rocket scientist... so there you go. :D

[stealthwise]

Jack, don't buy Pat Lee. Not only is he crap (my subjective opinion, I know), but he's been ripping off employees, making non-payments to them, stealing their work and calling it his own, etc, for years now, and it's time that he's stopped.

[Christopher Cross Is God]

Rihana's new song contains a sampling of Blue Monday. there's not much of Blue monday in there, but it's there, and I very much doubt that Jay-Z thought he was gonna pull a fast one on people and make them think he had just invented that riff.

Which song has the Blue Monday riff? I never noticed it.

The most recent sample I've noticed is that obese Caribbean kid who sings "You're So Beautiful".....I think that's what it's called, anyway.

Don't know if it's really a sample, or if they re-did the riff, but it's from the old song, "Stand By Me."

[Tobias March]

My favourite was when the Fugees apparently ripped off Enya's Orinoco Flow...that was just kinda obscure.

[Night Swordsman]

Jack, don't buy Pat Lee. Not only is he crap (my subjective opinion, I know), but he's been ripping off employees, making non-payments to them, stealing their work and calling it his own, etc, for years now, and it's time that he's stopped.

I agree,Stealth. To this day,i am sad that i bought that FF/X-men mini. Not only was it awful,but i really will not support him or what he has done,not once but TWICE now. I put him on the level of McFarlane.

[Night Swordsman]

Ice Ice baby had a sampling of under pressure. Pretty sure it said so inside the tape case booklet. Nobody was pretending that they had just come up with that bit. Are you happey now? you forced me to admit I had an Vanilla ice abum... :)

It could be worse. You could of owned the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 Soundtrack.

Go Ninja,Go Ninja,Go. :rolleyes:

Thankfully,it was my roommates,and not mine.

[Crowley]

So... both songs start off with a drum machine, and a girl talking in the same repetitive fashion... this one's not plagarism, IMO, merely a similarity in (sucky) style.

For similar-sounding songs... look at David Bowie w/Freddie Mercury on "Pressure," then listen to "Ice Ice Baby" for example. I remember years ago George Harrison released "My Sweet Lord," and was accused of plagarizing "He's So Fine" (link here): http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm

I'm not saying this Avril person doesn't plagarize (don't know her, don't listen to her, and after hearing that clip, don't want to listen to her)... but in the case of the Peaches song, the plagarism charge doesn't hold enough water.

I can do you two better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEv3gRUntzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk6NhjD3Dbg
;)

th first song made me think of this classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q_mHFfOMWE

[The Xenos]

Oh yeah, there was that Chili Peppers 'Dani California' and Tom Petty 'Last Dance with Mary Jane' controversy too. Of course I hear both songs were done by the same record producer, so that makes it a bit more suspicious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_California#Criticism_and_reception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jane's_Last_Dance#Controversy

Also, I just discovered the 'Last Dance with Mary Jane' video is really f---ed up.

Meanwhile, I like this mix of the two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r4mNdFoook

[Christopher Cross Is God]

My favourite was when the Fugees apparently ripped off Enya's Orinoco Flow...that was just kinda obscure.


It wasn't "Orinoco Flow", but "Boadicea."

A more recent song which sampled "Boadicea" is "I Don't Wanna Know" by Mario Winans, but at least Winans & P. Diddy gave Enya credit for the sample.

The Fugees originally didn't give Enya credit for the sample until after some controversy.

And I figured out which Rihanna song samples "Blue Monday", it's that shitty song "Shut Up and Drive"......I never bothered listening to the song for more than 5 seconds until today, and paid attention to see if it's the song with the "Blue Monday" riff.

I can't tell if it's an actual sample or if they just re-did the specific riff (Like how they did with Rihanna's song "SOS", which had the same riff as Soft Cell's "Tainted Love", but wasn't a ripped sample/recording from the song).

[Dazzler]

When Avril Lavigne goes so far as to BLATANTLY rip off Peaches, my queen and dominatrix momma...Dazzler gets mad.

I would personally punch her in the vagina so hard, her mom's teeth would rattle.

I love me some Peaches.

It's too similar to be JUST similar. It's as if one took the Mona Lisa and gave her blonde hair and said they were similar and not EXACTLY the same, so the argument was moot.

Peaches rox soxes in the boxes, Avril Lavigne, well, is cancer on my asshole.

--Dazz

PS: I think i've had too much to drink.

[Dazzler]

Also, I just discovered the 'Last Dance with Mary Jane' video is really f---ed up.

That is one of my favorite videos ever. Kim Basinger's acting has never been more natural.
Actually, though, I love it. I think it was brilliant and legitimately creepy unlike a lot of wannabes nowadays just trying way too hard.

Another favorite is Tori Amos' Spark.

--Dazz

[Clement]

Which song has the Blue Monday riff? I never noticed it.



I think the song is called "shut up" but it MIGHT be "shut up and drive".

The weirdest thing is, the week thats song started to play on the radio, another song with a blue monday sampling started too. I can't remember what it was, because unlike Rihana's song, I only heard it once.

Alan, honestly, if Vanila Ice said it wasn't a sample, he doesn't need to feel embarrasssed, cause I'm embarrassed for him.
Let's not forget that this is a guy who was opening for MC Hammer, and at the end of the tour was claiming that MC Hammer was closing for him.

And how could we talk about the Ice man without mentionning this masterpiece, created to celebrate the man's douchebag-ness http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101615/