Who do you think is a Skrull? SPECULATE NOW!

[666andahalf]

Just wondering who you all think might be a Skrull in the Spidey mythos. I personally think that Aunt May is a Skrull, due to her shaky resurrection. Plus, it'd redeem ASM#400. Also, the conspiracy told by Mac Gargan in Miller's MK Spider-Man makes perfect sense to be part of the Skrull agenda. After all, if the Skrulls had been planning an invasion for a loong ass time, then they would have realized how powerful the superheroes were after WW II, and it seems likely they'd attempt to stop them by creating powerful villains for them.

What do you guys think? :confused:

[Chris Nowlin]

I don't know who will be. I know who should be.

Aunt May.

Norman.

Also, as I mentioned a couple other places, the Judas Traveller who was revealed to be an illusionist working for the Scriers was a Skrull. The real Judas is still awesome.

I'm torn about whether or not Dr. Octopus should be a Skrull. I'll go with yes.

[Chris Nowlin]

I just had an awesome idea.

Some guy returns from years of wandering and claims to be the real Spider-Man. But our Spider-Man thinks he's a skrull. But maybe the Peter who's life we've been watching all this time is the Skrull.

And maybe there are other Skrulls posing as Peter around some with weird powers. Like maybe one Skrull imposter has a death touch thing going on.

What do you think? Good idea?

[Chris Nowlin]

I would call the story the "Skrull saga". It should go on for 2 years, go through several writers and editors and keep twisting the twists until the readers begin to think that they're skrulls.

[666andahalf]

I just had an awesome idea.

Some guy returns from years of wandering and claims to be the real Spider-Man. But our Spider-Man thinks he's a skrull. But maybe the Peter who's life we've been watching all this time is the Skrull.

And maybe there are other Skrulls posing as Peter around some with weird powers. Like maybe one Skrull imposter has a death touch thing going on.

What do you think? Good idea?

It sound really interesting, but probably wouldn't be received well... especially due to some similarities to the Clone Saga.

[Albert]

I just had an awesome idea.

Some guy returns from years of wandering and claims to be the real Spider-Man. But our Spider-Man thinks he's a skrull. But maybe the Peter who's life we've been watching all this time is the Skrull.

And maybe there are other Skrulls posing as Peter around some with weird powers. Like maybe one Skrull imposter has a death touch thing going on.

What do you think? Good idea?

Put down the pipe ;).

[Albert]

Oh, and I am hoping that no one turns out to be a Skrull. As I mentioned in another thread, Alicia turning out to be a Skrull marked my depature from FF for a good long while.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/12000/11892/5224-lyja_150.jpg

Can you smack a woman if she's a Skrull?

[SpideyZERO]

Uncle Ben is a Skrull.

He raised Peter to make him into the ultimate human weapon, but luckily, he was killed by the heroic Burglar before he could brainwash Peter

[shaunyc56]

My Skrull wishlist:

Tony Stark

James Rhodes (post BP guest appearance)

Henry Gyrich

MU Senate and House

[Nosgoth Phantom]

It sound really interesting, but probably wouldn't be received well... especially due to some similarities to the Clone Saga.

That was the joke ;)

[scottieevil]

Everyone's a Skrull except for Flash Thompson and J. Jonah Jamison - they're Kree!

[rZi]

If the following are skrulls it will destroy years of plotlines and character development:

Aunt May
MJ
Norman

If any "serious" players in the mu who have been resurected recently are skrulls it simply kills all the storylines told before this. Worst concept ever benids if it goes back more than a year..

[Mr.50]

If the following are skrulls it will destroy years of plotlines and character development:

Aunt May
MJ
Norman

If any "serious" players in the mu who have been resurected recently are skrulls it simply kills all the storylines told before this. Worst concept ever benids if it goes back more than a year..



I understand what you are saying but I fear that this is exactly what Marvel is trying to do. They want to destroy years of plotlines and character development so that they can Retcon the Marvel universe (especially as it relates to Spiderman).

Mr.50

[myslead]

I just had an awesome idea.

Some guy returns from years of wandering and claims to be the real Spider-Man. But our Spider-Man thinks he's a skrull. But maybe the Peter who's life we've been watching all this time is the Skrull.

And maybe there are other Skrulls posing as Peter around some with weird powers. Like maybe one Skrull imposter has a death touch thing going on.

What do you think? Good idea?

bad idea ... wouldn't that be the clone story all over again? and clones are stupid -Tony Stark.

[Sonicjuce]

I hope this whole skrull business plays no part in Spider-man

[Labman]

Storm or black panther have to be skrull. As a skrull myself, i also believe that a member of the new avengers is.

[Cody H]

I hope this whole skrull business plays no part in Spider-manOfficially, this is my stance as well.

Unofficially, the following would all make awesome Skrulls:

- Rocket Racer
- Betty Brant
- Grizzly
- Jill Stacey
- Normie Osborn
- And, of course, Solo

[drwho]

These are the things i think will determine if someone is a skrull

1. If aunt may dies she is a skrull.
2. if mary jane leaves peter she is a skrull
3. didnt joe say you cant have spidey without aunt may

[drwho]

Storm or black panther have to be skrull. As a skrull myself, i also believe that a member of the new avengers is.

I think the spidey in new avengers is a skrull. notice the mischaracterization from those books and this one since he has been back in black.

[Kirayoshi]

I say Ezekiel Sim will return, and then turn out to be a Skrull. Great way to sweep that whole Spider-Totem shtick under the rug.

[Mr.50]

I say Ezekiel Sim will return, and then turn out to be a Skrull. Great way to sweep that whole Spider-Totem shtick under the rug.




Is that that weirdo's last name? Always wondered if he thought he was Prince or something...

[Gingold]

I think it will be revealed that Norman was always a Skrull. It will "explain" why he chose the Goblin's appearance.

[Mister Mets]

I predict that the Mighty Avengers symbiotes story reveals a link between the symbiotes, and Skrulls, which allows the Skrulls to know Spider-Man's identity, which can make the people who know Spider-Man's identity suspects.

Norman Osborn, the Chameleon and Mysterio will all be suspected of being Skrulls (the latter two because shape-shifting works well with their abilities, and they did have suspicious resurrections.) The Paul Jenkins Fusion might also be suspected of being a Skrull, although I doubt anyone's going to use him (it would be cool if they did, he's an awesome villain.)

The most likely characters to be Skrulls are the Stacy Twins. It's an easy way to retcon an unpopular story that has so far had a limited impact on the Marvel U. Norman Osborn hasn't even collaborated the story, so the only thing that the writers would have to do is provide a reason for MJ's revelations in Sins Past (hypnosis. There that part's done.)

[Mister Mets]

I think it will be revealed that Norman was always a Skrull. It will "explain" why he chose the Goblin's appearance.
Bendis seems to really like Norman Osborn's resurrection, so I don't see him supporting this, although the resurrection's many opponents may have outvoted him. Norman Osborn will certainly be suspected of being a Skrull, which is the bigger way this story will shake up the Marvel U, setting up a world where no one can be trusted (thus expanding on Civil War.)


I think the spidey in new avengers is a skrull. notice the mischaracterization from those books and this one since he has been back in black.
It strikes me as one guy acting differently when he's with a specific group of friends.

A friend of mine's mother died recently, and he was cracking jokes/ probably masking his pain when we were with people who didn't know.

[666andahalf]

Bendis seems to really like Norman Osborn's resurrection, so I don't see him supporting this, although the resurrection's many opponents may have outvoted him. Norman Osborn will certainly be suspected of being a Skrull, which is the bigger way this story will shake up the Marvel U, setting up a world where no one can be trusted (thus expanding on Civil War.)


As much as I'd love it, he's probably not going to be a Skrull... but I still think the conspiracy that used to use Norman and others as "super villain contractors" (as described by Miller in MK Spider-Man) is a Skrull operation.

[Eargosedown]

honestly, i would not be suprised for a second if it was norman osborn, they keep futually trying to bring him back.

now if it turned out to be eddie brock or something, thats be weird.

[Toku King]

Ironman. Would explain why he's been such a butthead lately.

[sm00nie]

I wouldn't be surprised if a Skrull turned out to be J. Jonah Jameson. If he isn't Skrull worthy, no one is!

Suitably, Iron Man would work just as well :P

[rockgrant]

I'm pretty sure Baby May is out there somewhere and is half skrull...in "Even More Sins Past," on sale this November, Marvel reveals that MJ cheated on Peter with Steven the Skrull and that's who the baby's real father was.

[Jack]

If MJ turns out to be a Skrull I will kill everything.

[brundlefly]

I don't know who will be. I know who should be.

Aunt May.

Norman.


Yes. The real May died back in ASM #400 and the real Norman in THE DEATH OF GWEN STACY, impaled on his own glider. Skrull imposters of both would seamlessly explain how Aunt May came back, as she was reintroduced to Peter by the Skrull Norman Imposter with a lame "uh, the May who died was just an actress" explanation, as well as why Norman drastically changed, post-"resurrection," from a raving maniac to a calculating Lex Luthor-wannabe. As for why the Skrulls are impersonating May and Norman? Don't really care, personally, as long as it reaffirms both of their well-written deaths. There was no reason for either of these characters to return from the grave, and "outing" them as Skrulls puts them back in the ground, where they belong. :D

But in all seriousness, the Bendis Skrull Sleeper Agents stuff is really Clone Saga-level goofy and shouldn't spread into the Spidey solo books, even as a cure-all for prior bad ideas and unnecessary resurrections.

[Noronha]

If MJ turns out to be a Skrull I will kill everything.

You won´t have that chance,i´ll probably beat you to it,but would really appreciate the assistance!

[Noronha]

Norman a Skrull??God no!!
Despite his resurrection being a litttle far fetched it did a huge amount of good to Spidey´s books at the time,it made a brilliant ending to a reeling train(Clone Saga),it made spidey finally have a arch-enemy(at the time the writters were the only ones trying to destroy him) he just couldn´t beat up e send him to jail(since they opted to make kingpin daredevil´s enemy).Spidey finally had a enemy that was the exact oposite of him.
And come on some of the greatest stories in recent years had him as the primary enemy,Death in the Family,The Marvel Knights run.
Then you guys want make him a skrull,that´s even worst then ressurecting him,since when did the skrulls have ever entered in any Spider Man story???Never,because they don´t belong there,they have the F4,Avengers and X-Men as enenmies they don´t care about Spidey,please just leave them out of spidey´s life it would just make whichever story/event they try to retcon even worse!!

[Toku King]

Aunt May's current coolness disallows her to be a Skrull.

[Chris Nowlin]

Norman a Skrull??God no!!
Despite his resurrection being a litttle far fetched it did a huge amount of good to Spidey´s books at the time,it made a brilliant ending to a reeling train(Clone Saga),it made spidey finally have a arch-enemy(at the time the writters were the only ones trying to destroy him) he just couldn´t beat up e send him to jail(since they opted to make kingpin daredevil´s enemy).Spidey finally had a enemy that was the exact oposite of him.
And come on some of the greatest stories in recent years had him as the primary enemy,Death in the Family,The Marvel Knights run.
Then you guys want make him a skrull,that´s even worst then ressurecting him,since when did the skrulls have ever entered in any Spider Man story???Never,because they don´t belong there,they have the F4,Avengers and X-Men as enenmies they don´t care about Spidey,please just leave them out of spidey´s life it would just make whichever story/event they try to retcon even worse!!

Salvaging the mess they made of the Clone Saga is a poor excuse for such a retcon.

Since his return we've gotten a couple good Norman stories and tons of mediocre or crappy ones. Plus they just copied his character off post-Crisis Lex Luthor, which is lame. Before, there were a total of 7 Norman stories. The first 5 of which all kind of blended into one saga. And the last 4 of which are excellent, excellent comics.

The writers wanted an enemy? Make one. Do original things with a character not much had been done with or create your own.

Throwing a dead foe into several more redundant battles doesn't make for a great character or great stories.

Aunt May's current coolness disallows her to be a Skrull.

But to become cool, she became a lot younger and healthier.

She used to be old and doting, and seemed to be on her last leg. Now she seems like she could run a marathon.

[Noronha]

I don´t care how bad the clone saga was,the story that ended was great and the Norman that came out of it is one of the most interesting characters in years,and every time the writters try to create a new enemy everyone promplty shoot him down,i liked Black Tarantula(gone)!
Even if he(Norman)was overused to make him a skrull is 10 times worse than ressurecting him!
Skrulls and Spider Man just don´t combine,it´s ridiculous!

Aunt May's current coolness disallows her to be a Skrull.

Right on the money!

[Chris Nowlin]

I actually did like Revelations a lot.

It was well-done. Just marred by my annoyance at seeing Norman.

And that I was hoping Ben Reilly would survive. I liked him.

[Noronha]

It was well-done. Just marred by my annoyance at seeing Norman.


I understand what you mean,I just hate resurrection or retcons!!It is such a lazy way to make something unbelievebly stupid ideas actually happen,and just makes us look stupid and dumb because we buy comics and then in one or 2 issues everything we read changes so we end up wondering why did we bothered!
But Norman i don´t no for me it worked,he was a character from another time,a time in wich i didn´t even existed so i never did had that feel of repulsion to see him alive again simply because i never saw him alive in the first place!
And i hate Superman so i don´t know how Lex Luthor is!lol

[Mister Mets]

Salvaging the mess they made of the Clone Saga is a poor excuse for such a retcon.

Since his return we've gotten a couple good Norman stories and tons of mediocre or crappy ones. Plus they just copied his character off post-Crisis Lex Luthor, which is lame. Before, there were a total of 7 Norman stories. The first 5 of which all kind of blended into one saga. And the last 4 of which are excellent, excellent comics.

The writers wanted an enemy? Make one. Do original things with a character not much had been done with or create your own.

Throwing a dead foe into several more redundant battles doesn't make for a great character or great stories.

But to become cool, she became a lot younger and healthier.

She used to be old and doting, and seemed to be on her last leg. Now she seems like she could run a marathon.
It's pretty much impossible to create a new archenemy for Spider-Man, given that an archenemy usually needs a shared history with the hero, usually back to the beginning. Very few comic book characters have an archenemy who didn't appear in their earliest adventures (usually stories written/ drawn by the creators.) Look at Superman/ Lex Luthor, Batman/ Joker, Professor X/ Magneto, Hulk/ Leader, Reed Richards/ Doctor Doom, etc.
The two exceptions I can think of are Wolverine/ Sabertooth, and Daredevil/ Bullseye-Kingpin. That's mostly because Wolverine had a history before his first appearance with the X-Men (Sabertooth was also created by two men who made Wolverine as popular as he is today: Claremont/ Byrne) and Miller's run on Daredevil is seen as more important than anything Lee did with the character.

Osborn fits the bill better than anyone else (even Doctor Octopus) so he works as Spider-Man's archenemy, which justifies his resurrection. His chief problem seems to be a lack of good motivations, which was always a problem with the character (you didn't get the sense that he'd know what to do after killing Spider-Man.) His government links are a cool development in that regard.

Granted, I think we've got more than a couple of good stories out of his resurrection.
Spider-Man #75 (End of Revelations)
Spectacular Spider-Man #250+ (JM Dematteis handled the character well)
The Peter Parker Spider-Man issue where Osborn, and Peter were stuck in an elevator (amongst Mackie's best, which isn't meant as insult given Mackie's impressive (quantity-wise) run.
The Return of the Green Goblin #1-3/ Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #25/ Peter Parker Spider-Man #25: Good stuff by Stern, Mackie and Jenkins (to say nothing of the writers)
Tangled Web #13: One of Zimmerman's two good efforts at Marvel (the other being his Scorpion/ Jonah one-shot with Darick Robertson) this story made the best case for Osborn being the Ultimate Spider-Man villain.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12: I honestly believe this story is one of the best Spider-Man comics ever written.
Thunderbolts #110+: I also doubt he'd be as important a character in the Spider-Man movies/ Ultimate Spider-Man if not for his resurrection.

I do think Aunt May's an important part of the Spider-Man stories for years to come, but the writers should keep in mind that while she's spry she should still be OLD. There was some comment in Millar's run of Spider-Man about her being 72 which was offputting for me, as it seemed like she was older than 60 in the first Lee/ Ditko books (she even made a reference to feeling as spry as a young sixty-year old in one issue.)

Making her 80 or so wouldn't prevent Marvel from doing stories with the character, or prevent the character from living another decade (Marvel time.)

[Reggie]

It's pretty much impossible to create a new archenemy for Spider-Man, given that an archenemy usually needs a shared history with the hero, usually back to the beginning. Very few comic book characters have an archenemy who didn't appear in their earliest adventures (usually stories written/ drawn by the creators.) Look at Superman/ Lex Luthor, Batman/ Joker, Professor X/ Magneto, Hulk/ Leader, Reed Richards/ Doctor Doom, etc.

You don't create archenemies, they develop in time. Do you think Stan Lee created Doc Ock to become an arch enemy? Or the green goblin? Yes, at that particular moment in time they were spideys prime enemy, and because of continual re-use they got history and became stronger characters for the role of arch nemesis.
So what I mean to say is that writers just need to get the time and space to make an enemy that gets to develop and grow over time, by having it grow into spidermans history. Then it is very well possible to create a new nemesis.

Its hard because spiderman comics have been around for so long, re-use of older villains are done to death to keep the book recognizable.. its hard to renew. So there have been very good and very awfull tellings/re-tellings of archvillains. Its like the 12-bar blues - thousands of songs have been made off this one single form, and alot of them were hits too - the same freaking form!

Anyways, normally a comic like that should have its story end and the book closed. Saying that though, would be treason towards Spidermankind :P

-- and my on-topic thought:
In the spidey universe i dont see anyone being a skrull, ESPECIALLY not for retcons. I dont see a motive for skrulls to imitate a spidey villain and terrorize his life. How is that going to help with taking over earth?

I would love to see a huge war of intruiges and deception that spidey gets drawn into though - but only on his avengers side of life.

[Mr.50]

I thought the Jackel was actually a good choice for an old villan that was able to return and possibly fill the shoes of Spiderman's arch enemy. Of course it was mired in the Clone Saga which everone has their own opinions about but he was a good choice to bring back because unlike Norman his death and ressurection was not something that really had to be stretched too far to fit in with what we originally knew about the character from many years ago. We already new that Professor Warren was developing clones. We also knew that he had already made clones of himself (of course the original Warren clone was found not to actually be a true clone I believe) or other doppelgangers as part of his original M.O. All of this was well within his job description as the Professor Warren side of his character. It does not require new healing powers to bring him back from the dead.

Like Norman he already had a history with the character on both the Peter Parker and Spiderman sides. He would have been more likely to be the father of the twins then Norman (at least Gwen's clone fell for him).

No matter what you can say about the clone saga Miles Warren could have been a good villan to bring bak as Spiderman's arch enemy without at least as much ret-conning.

Mr.50


P.S. - What the hell happened to Kaine

PP.S - I liked Ben Rielly and wish he survived too.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Just wondering who you all think might be a Skrull in the Spidey mythos.


I don't like the idea, but...

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7401/skrullmjmv3.gif

[brundlefly]

I think Harry was perfect to become the successor to the mantle of the Goblin and of Spidey's nemesis/archenemy, which still gives you the recognizable-to-the-general-public classic Spidey/Goblin pairing. He would have also been a better reveal as the head of the Clone Saga. Easier to explain his resurrection (he simply used chemical means to fake his heart failure, his last-minute heroics in saving Pete were just to cruelly toy with him so that he could return and torment him even further, i.e. "Gotcha, old buddy.") and Harry has infinitely more possibilities as Pete's archenemy than Norman. Plus a more compelling dynamic: best friend turned worst enemy as opposed to best friend's dad as worst enemy. Meanwhile, Norman had peaked with killing Gwen (seriously, he's never going to top that) and was far more compelling as "he's dead but his evil legacy lives on, infecting his son and turning him against his best friend." He's squandered his legendary menace by coming back with a ridiculous magic healing factor and playing Diet Lex Luthor, underperforming every time even though he's had a virtual stranglehold on most Spidey plotlines since his return. Seriously, how frustrating was MK Spider-Man's reveal of him as the so-called "mastermind" yet again? And dangling MJ off the same bridge Gwen fell from only underscored how much of a watered-down caricature he's become, doomed to never be as frightening/threatening as he was back in his heyday, much like an over-the-hill boxer who should have retired long ago. Harry, on the other hand, had gotten a lot of great character development over the years, being a great friend to Pete and a loving husband and father while fighting drug addicton, the influence of the Goblin legacy and his own madness. That made his eventual full-on embrace of his dark side that much more tragic and gave more layers to his incarnation of the Goblin and his subsequent battles with Pete/Spidey. In the same way that Helmut Zemo took up the name of his father and eventually surpassed him as the better, more complex character, Harry should have done the same as the second Green Goblin. Bringing Norman back instead of Harry was a desperate move formed in committee by writers and editors who had no idea how to end their story, and nothing good has come from it since.

[Wally_West]

If MJ turns out to be a Skrull I will kill everything.

MJ really can't be justified to be a skrull. The reason for that is because if hypothetically speaking she was a skrull, that'd be like the Skrulls tossing a dart, and hitting the bullseye. But from 50million miles away.

Think about why the skrulls are here; obviously to act as sleeper agents. They are strategically planted in high positions, or they are sleeper agents that are so self-sufficient that they made it to the top as their alter-egos.

Since there is no reason to believe that the skrulls know that peter parker is spiderman, they had no reason to turn MJ into a skrull. Unless there was some point where she disappeared, and then reappeared in the past...which makes my whole argument moot.

Moooooooooo.

[Wally_West]

Aunt May's current coolness disallows her to be a Skrull.

Aunt May is hot. she's got GILF status.

[Mr.50]

there is for sure many times in the more recent Spiderman history where MJ disappeared and then returned (when she was supposedly dead for example from the plane explosion, etc.). Of cousre I dont think Skrulls can mind read so not sure (besides torturing MJ how they would know PP was Spiderman but then of course how would they even know to capture MJ and torture her. I think they captured Norman, tortured him for other information unrelated, found out PP was Spiderman, then subsequently replaced Norman with a Skrull counterpart, and then replaced MJ and Aunt May with Skull Counterparts. The real Norman, MJ, and Aunt May are all still alive but prisioners on Skrull ships and are lobotimized ah la Planet of the Apes.


(mabe the last sentence is a stretch).

Mr.50

MJ really can't be justified to be a skrull. The reason for that is because if hypothetically speaking she was a skrull, that'd be like the Skrulls tossing a dart, and hitting the bullseye. But from 50million miles away.

Think about why the skrulls are here; obviously to act as sleeper agents. They are strategically planted in high positions, or they are sleeper agents that are so self-sufficient that they made it to the top as their alter-egos.

Since there is no reason to believe that the skrulls know that peter parker is spiderman, they had no reason to turn MJ into a skrull. Unless there was some point where she disappeared, and then reappeared in the past...which makes my whole argument moot.

Moooooooooo.

[Wally_West]

there is for sure many times in the more recent Spiderman history where MJ disappeared and then returned (when she was supposedly dead for example from the plane explosion, etc.). Of cousre I dont think Skrulls can mind read so not sure (besides torturing MJ how they would know PP was Spiderman but then of course how would they even know to capture MJ and torture her. I think they captured Norman, tortured him for other information unrelated, found out PP was Spiderman, then subsequently replaced Norman with a Skrull counterpart, and then replaced MJ and Aunt May with Skull Counterparts. The real Norman, MJ, and Aunt May are all still alive but prisioners on Skrull ships and are lobotimized ah la Planet of the Apes.


(mabe the last sentence is a stretch).

Mr.50

would it be a stretch to say that spiderman himself is a skrull? im just throwing stuff out there...

[Mr.50]

would it be a stretch to say that spiderman himself is a skrull? im just throwing stuff out there...



Sure and that can get rid of all THE Other crap and then it can be that the real spiderman has been missing since ASM #149 and he has been wandering the country using another name like Ben Rielly or something...... Oh wait that part has been done but I supposed the Spiderman as a Skrull idea is possible

[Noronha]

I just read in an interview on IGN that none of Spidey´s forthcoming defining issues,OMD/Bright New Day are going to have any skrulls related influence,IF they enter spidey´s stories it will in 08.
Well that´s a relief thank God,for now and don´t have to expect seing a skrull´s ugly mug in spidey´s book.

[666andahalf]

I think Harry was perfect to become the successor to the mantle of the Goblin and of Spidey's nemesis/archenemy, which still gives you the recognizable-to-the-general-public classic Spidey/Goblin pairing. He would have also been a better reveal as the head of the Clone Saga. Easier to explain his resurrection (he simply used chemical means to fake his heart failure, his last-minute heroics in saving Pete were just to cruelly toy with him so that he could return and torment him even further, i.e. "Gotcha, old buddy.") and Harry has infinitely more possibilities as Pete's archenemy than Norman. Plus a more compelling dynamic: best friend turned worst enemy as opposed to best friend's dad as worst enemy. Meanwhile, Norman had peaked with killing Gwen (seriously, he's never going to top that) and was far more compelling as "he's dead but his evil legacy lives on, infecting his son and turning him against his best friend." He's squandered his legendary menace by coming back with a ridiculous magic healing factor and playing Diet Lex Luthor, underperforming every time even though he's had a virtual stranglehold on most Spidey plotlines since his return. Seriously, how frustrating was MK Spider-Man's reveal of him as the so-called "mastermind" yet again? And dangling MJ off the same bridge Gwen fell from only underscored how much of a watered-down caricature he's become, doomed to never be as frightening/threatening as he was back in his heyday, much like an over-the-hill boxer who should have retired long ago. Harry, on the other hand, had gotten a lot of great character development over the years, being a great friend to Pete and a loving husband and father while fighting drug addicton, the influence of the Goblin legacy and his own madness. That made his eventual full-on embrace of his dark side that much more tragic and gave more layers to his incarnation of the Goblin and his subsequent battles with Pete/Spidey. In the same way that Helmut Zemo took up the name of his father and eventually surpassed him as the better, more complex character, Harry should have done the same as the second Green Goblin. Bringing Norman back instead of Harry was a desperate move formed in committee by writers and editors who had no idea how to end their story, and nothing good has come from it since.

Well stated. I agree with you 100%. Harry was a much better villain than Norman IMO and he's far too unappreciated...

[rZi]

If MJ turns out to be a Skrull I will kill everything.

Ditto, that would ruin along list of storylines..

[JBKWaka]

If MJ turns out to be a Skrull I will kill everything.
For sure that would most likely ruin everyone Spider-Man title in the 616 universe

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Really REALLY wish Norman turned out to be a Skrull, got a feeling it ain't gonna happen though. (BTW now that Spidey's ID is public, isn't the shoe on the other foot and now Peter can threaten to blow Norm's ID to the world? Or has the Green Goblin ID been blown in the last few years? Yes I took a bit of a vacation from comics...)

Aunt May turning out to be a Skrull would be good as well, especially since it would redeem the original death scene in ASM#400 (and the revelation that she known that Pete was Spidey all along).

Actually JJJ would be a good candidiate for being a Skrull; with his prickly personality it wouldn't be too hard to replace him without suspicion ("Damn Jameson's really being a pr!ck today!" "Same as always, huh?" "Yep.")

[brundlefly]

Really REALLY wish Norman turned out to be a Skrull, got a feeling it ain't gonna happen though. (BTW now that Spidey's ID is public, isn't the shoe on the other foot and now Peter can threaten to blow Norm's ID to the world? Or has the Green Goblin ID been blown in the last few years? Yes I took a bit of a vacation from comics...)


It was exposed in both MK SPIDER-MAN and The Pulse, after which he was sent to prison. He got broken out of prison, but reapprehended later by SHIELD. Currently, his government handlers at the Thunderbolts (plus the actual team members) all openly know that he's the Goblin, so his criminal secret ID is no longer a secret and he'd be in jail now if not for the Thunderbolts program.


Aunt May turning out to be a Skrull would be good as well, especially since it would redeem the original death scene in ASM#400 (and the revelation that she known that Pete was Spidey all along).

Word. One of my favorite Spidey issues of all time. Nothing she's done since returning has surpassed her confession to Peter about knowing his dual identity and her subsequent death in ASM #400. If the Skrull sleeper agent storyline bleeds over into Spidey books, at least some good can come from it if May and Norman are "outed" as Skrulls, with the real deals both still being dead.


Actually JJJ would be a good candidiate for being a Skrull; with his prickly personality it wouldn't be too hard to replace him without suspicion ("Damn Jameson's really being a pr!ck today!" "Same as always, huh?" "Yep.")

Chameleon joked about this when he kidnapped and replaced JJJ for a time back in the 1980s, taunting Jameson about how all the Bugle staffers could "do a great Jonah Jameson impression" and what a caricature his personality was, making impersonating him a breeze.

[BooCoo]

I think everyone that posts here is a skrull...fans, geeks, friendly editors, whatever.

Watch what you say. :evilsmile

[Beacon]

It could explain why JJJ is so out of character in CW. The whole business with the lawsuit was an admission that he’d been tricked and that’s something he’d never do. Plus, while he may not be a big fan of masked heroes, he’s always been an opponent of the kind of activities involved in the SRA (just look at his opposition to Operation Zero Tolerance).

An Aunt May/Reed Richards/Norman Osborn conspiracy could re-validate Amazing #400 (while still explaining why Reed and Norman claimed the original was a actress) and explain a lot of out of character behavior at the hands of JMS and others. Why else would May not remember that Otto is Doc Ock and encourage her nephew to do something as self-destructive as unmasking? Why would Reed suddenly be a Pro-Reg “law and order” type when he was Anti-Reg in the late80s/early 90s? Heck, Reed has always been the “do what he feels is right despite what’s legal” type (be it invading Latveria against the UN’s orders or stealing his own rocket from the test site in the F4 origin). I don’t think I really even need to go into the problems with post-Clone Saga Norman.

Whereas you might be able to explain May’s endorsement of the unmasking on her not knowing any better (though that makes her seem either really stupid or really naïve), MJ has plenty of firsthand experience with what happens when the enemy knows where to find Peter and his loved ones. Maybe the real MJ really DID die in that plane crash. As far as I know, MJ’s claims (and the existence of the creepy Goblin babies that could be Skrulls or clones or something) are the only evidence that Gwen slept with Norman.

As others have stated, Flash is an easy target just because of convenient coma-induced amnesia and his friendship with Peter.

It’d be nice to have Stark, Pym, and Ms. Marvel reveled as Skrulls if only because it means they’d finally go away.

Sandman being replaced at some point could be a way around either the entire “Sandy as a hero” period or (preferably) the sudden regression back into a villain. Actually, considering the Wizard’s involvement in both Sandman’s de-reformation and his future involvement in the Hood’s new Marvelized Secret Society of Supervillains, the Wizard as a Skrull could cause some huge shockwaves throughout the villain community.

It could also be why guys like Rocket Racer and Grizzly went back to villainy. Go ahead and laugh but I remember The Art of War saying something about how a good spy should appear to be a fool. That logic could also apply to the Spot’s recent tendency to die and come back with no explanation (don’t the Skulls have teleportation tech?).

Speaking of people who’ve come back from the dead without explanation, the Chameleon would be easy for a shape shifting alien to impersonate.

The “consistent inconsistencies” with Kraven Jr (he has at least three distinct characterizations between DeMatties’ revenge-crazed savage, Mackie’s carbon copy of Kraven Sr, and Zimmerman’s “Al Kraven”) could be explained by imposters.

Lets face it, there’s no shortage of people who have died and come back (Peter has kicked it twice just in the past few years), are behaving out of character (such as the terrible recent portrayal of Molten Man), are easy targets in that no one would suspect them (everyone is quick to point to Dr Strange but what about Wong?), and/or have a position of power/influence (even if its just easy access to information with no real authority). Ben Urich’s about-face on superheroes (from protecting Peter and Matt’s secrets to supporting Stark’s dirty tactics) does seem a bit suspicious (though Sally is probably just an easily-lead sheep).

[Venom]

I think Spider-Woman is a Skrull.

[Beacon]

I think Spider-Woman is a Skrull.

Which one?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

hopefully MJ. Might explain her personality shift. Skrull MJ killed the real one after she passed out from doing too much blow.

[Venom]

Which one?

Jessica Drew the original one. She's with the New Avengers

[Labman]

Jessica Drew the original one. She's with the New Avengers

I will second this speculation.

[Beacon]

Jessica Drew the original one. She's with the New Avengers

Well it would explain some of the dumber moves she’s made. “Of course it isn’t a trick. Ms Marvel said so and she’d NEVER lie to someone on the other side of a war”. Either she’s a Skrull or she’s just too stupid to live.

[Tobias March]

I would see it much more likely that every member of the Illuminati with the exception of Stark could be a Skrull. I wouldn't be surprised if Strange turns out to be one.

Drew I don't buy, as her being a traitor has been dragged out again and again so many times.

But Black Bolt/Strange/Namor, yeah I could buy they were Skrulls.

I just hope Magneto's a Skrull - because it would screw with the heads of Xorneto fans :evilsmile

[Adamantium_Avatar]

OK, we are under threat of invasion from Skrull forces and I see we have been doing our damndest to work out (randomly guess) who is or is not a Skrull.

Now this is not another of those 'guess who' threads.. What I would like to do is gather information of what Skrulls are capable of.

For example, we all know they can shapeshift.. But if for example a Skrull changed into The Human Torch would he be able to replicate Johnny's fire powers?

So, the project is.. Know thine enemy! :D

[Chris Nowlin]

A Skrull would have to be specially modified to duplicate powers. Super Skrull and Paibok the Power Skrull both underwent this process.

The average Skrull can only shapeshift, not duplicate powers.

[Sean Whitmore]

Now this is not another of those 'guess who' threads..

I'm afraid I have to disagree.


SEAN

[Adamantium_Avatar]

I'm afraid I have to disagree.


SEAN

Well, you can disagree as much as you like.. My intention was not to try to guess who the Skrulls are but merely to learn what they can do.

However, it seems that once again another of my threads has been shifted into an area of mindless guessing and speculation. :mad:

[jeffmace]

Uncle Ben is a Skrull.

He raised Peter to make him into the ultimate human weapon, but luckily, he was killed by the heroic Burglar before he could brainwash Peter

Please do not even go there. That'd just ruin Spidey completely for me.

[Sean Whitmore]

Uncle Ben is a Skrull.

He raised Peter to make him into the ultimate human weapon, but luckily, he was killed by the heroic Burglar before he could brainwash Peter

I love it!


SEAN

[Mister Mets]

Well, you can disagree as much as you like.. My intention was not to try to guess who the Skrulls are but merely to learn what they can do.

However, it seems that once again another of my threads has been shifted into an area of mindless guessing and speculation. :mad:
There's much more to the mystery and speculation than who's a skrull, although this isn't reflected on most message board conversations.

Who can be suspected of being a Skrull?
What will happen as a result?

[Beacon]

There's much more to the mystery and speculation than who's a skrull, although this isn't reflected on most message board conversations.

Who can be suspected of being a Skrull?

Everyone, especially the people who have either spent a lot of time in space or appeared to die and come back at some point. Of course events like the Kree/Skrull War, Infinity Gauntlet, Onslaught/Heroes Reborn/Heroes Return, ect* mean that that includes pretty much everyone in the super community and about half of the “normals”.

*And that doesn’t even take into account the individual cases. Look at Spider-Man and Hawkeye just in the past few years. Spider-Man has died and returned with slightly different powers in both Disassembled and the Other. Hawkeye died in Disassembled, came back in HoM only to die and return again before vanishing, and has only recently resurfaced.

What will happen as a result?

If it goes public? Mass paranoia. Witch hunts. The usual.

[witchboy]

I would hate it , but I suspect that MJ has been a Skrull sleeper agent since the wedding , which will allow Marvel to end the marriage , and bring back the real MJ as a girlfriend , without killing MJ or having them divorce .
I don't want Aunt May to be dea , I like having her around .
I wish that the Harry that died was a Skrull so we can get the real Harry back .

[Noronha]

I think it´s obvious that New Avengers spidey is a skrull,with the changes that are coming with BND it doesn´t make sense for him to be in the team

[Magneto Rocks]

I doubt Spidey will have any since the BRand New Day launch seems to be staying far away from the crossover and the main line.