How X-Men should have been done

[DC/Marvelfan]

They really ruined the X-men films, they didn't even tap into the great material that is there.

It took three movies to do nothing.

I think one should have had them fighting Magneto and the Brotherhood but then they join forces to take care of the threat of the Sentinals. It should have been Cyclops, Jean, Beast, IceMan, Angel, and Wolverine.

The second could have been Mr. Sinister and then bring in Rogue and Gambit.

In the third Apokalypse, and bring in Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Kitty.

I would have Beast in his bulky human form in 1 and then show him transform in the second as his more Beastly look.

I would have Iceman older, and Jean younger. Rogue would be just like her character, older and the tough southern belle.

I wouldn't change the cast too much except for rogue, and Jean, and Bobby Drake.

they would wear actual costumes, something like the FF films have, but in black and a dark yellow, with certain aspects of modern costumes coming in as the films progressed. Wolvie would wear his brown suit, and his mask.

Iceman would have his Ice form when he was in action, Colossus would have a Russian accent, and be done the right way. They totally missed the diversity aspect of the x-men. I really missed that. Wolverine would be more tough too. Maybe even do a camera trick to make him shorter.

[Thorlief]

I agree with some of your opinions: Wolverine had to be shorter, Colossus definitely needed a russian accent and more screen time and Magneto was really overused as villain

but Sinister or Apo wouldve been hard to redesign...expecially Apo. Either you make him CGI or train a giant gorilla and stuff him into a blue suit and I dont know what wouldve looked more ridiculous

[ChrisIII]

I think the Sentinels would've have a similar problem to Galactus-how to adapt them into film, and yet still be true to the Kirby concept etc without making it look silly. Then again, TRANSFORMERS proved that giant CG robots could work, I suppose....


Technically we did see Beast in his non-beast form-Hank McCoy-although not played by Grammer-makes an appearence in X2 in the bar TV.

[Henyo]

I think their costumes were good. I liked how the costumes were similar to each other but had distinctions and details to the character wearing it (Wolvie's had yellow trims, Storm's cape, etc..).

One thing I would change is that the films won't focus too much on Wolverine.

[JohnPopa]

I wouldn't have wanted to see any of those movies. And I've been reading X-Men comics for twenty-odd years by now. Your ideas are no more than one fan's random fanisms, no different or more loyal to the comics than anyone else's random fanisms.

I mean, if we're going to insist movies be just like the comics (as your many threads are endlessly insisting) why would they show Beast transform in an X-Men movie anyway? It didn't happen when he was an X-Man.

[Aubergine~!]

Actually, the 1st movie was pretty good, the weird turning everybody into mutants bit apart. It introduced the Brotherhood and the contrasting ideologies of Xavier and Magneto, as well as the general prejudice against mutants.

Now, the second was a waste. Mags basically ended up being the big bad again. That movie was the perfect time to intro the Sentinels, who would've been a lot more interesting than frigging Stryker. At least they built up Dark Phoenix, but they blew that in the next movie.

The third was also a waste. Why the hell was Mags the main bad guy again? The Dark Phoenix is right there! Make her threaten to blow up the planet and everyone, the X-Men, the Brotherhood and the government have to team up against her, only for her to stomp them all, and eventually kill herself. So simple, and yet they blew it.

That isn't to say that the movies have been bad. I rather liked them, it's just that it could've been done so much better.

[ViciousX]

Because Magneto is the best villain the X-Men have.

I never understood the love Apocalypse and Sinister get. Disect them at all, and they're both shallow, wastes of space who never really accomplished much, don't have much of an MO, and all they have going for them is cool designs and are surrounded by "mystery" which translated means the writers never knew what to do with them, so they milked the mystery factor for as long as they could...

... which is really what happened with Bishop, Gambit, Cable and so many other X-Men characters, it's a shame.

Magneto is the perfect X-Men villain. Not saying they shouldn't have anyone else, but no one else comes close. Anyone else is a shallow poser.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Because Magneto is the best villain the X-Men have.

I never understood the love Apocalypse and Sinister get. Disect them at all, and they're both shallow, wastes of space who never really accomplished much, don't have much of an MO, and all they have going for them is cool designs and are surrounded by "mystery" which translated means the writers never knew what to do with them, so they milked the mystery factor for as long as they could...

... which is really what happened with Bishop, Gambit, Cable and so many other X-Men characters, it's a shame.

Magneto is the perfect X-Men villain. Not saying they shouldn't have anyone else, but no one else comes close. Anyone else is a shallow poser.

In all honesty, you are right. Out of all the X-villains, there are only two that truly reflect the X-Men as a whole. Only two antagonists that truly effect their goal and reflect why they are so needed (which is what true antagonist are, among other things). Another thing that makes a true antagonist great is the fact that they are three dimensional, a common flaw for most of the X-Villains. But the two that do it best are.....

1) Humans, or at least those who want to destroy and/or enslave mutantkind
2) Magneto and those who ally with him

[Gargus]

I thought 1 and 2 were very good movies. They were more like a adult contemporary type scifi film and it was actually adapted well enough it seemed like it could have been real and didnt go over the top.

By the 3rd movie yes magneto was overexposed. But I liked him more so in the 2nd movie. Then he wasnt so much a bad guy. He was forced into the ring with the good guys, he wasnt the real villian, it was striker.

And if your worried about colossus not having a russian accent or wolverine being to tall then there is nothing they could have done to satisfy you because all you would have done is sit and look for things to be wrong instead of enjoying the film. That kind of person just wants to be able to point out things and complain. Sure I noticed 100 things technically not right, but I didnt care I enjoyed 1 and 2 (aside from the whole what happens to a toad when its hit by lighting).

3 though was just a god awfull POS. I knew it would be when I started seeing how many mutants they were putting in. I knew they were going for the whole concept of "more is better". More effects, more explosions, more mutants, more fighting just made for a more crappy movie. And all the useless effects made me bored, like the fat guy who can fit in his sit shrinks down to sit and thats all he did the entire movie it was a waste of film to show it. Sure they kind of messed up juggernaut, but I could handle it till he says "im the juggernaut bitch" after that I couldnt stand to see him on screen anymore. It was all flash and no substance. It was a hollow film.

[Cyke]

Because Magneto is the best villain the X-Men have.

I never understood the love Apocalypse and Sinister get. Disect them at all, and they're both shallow, wastes of space who never really accomplished much, don't have much of an MO, and all they have going for them is cool designs and are surrounded by "mystery" which translated means the writers never knew what to do with them, so they milked the mystery factor for as long as they could...

... which is really what happened with Bishop, Gambit, Cable and so many other X-Men characters, it's a shame.

Magneto is the perfect X-Men villain. Not saying they shouldn't have anyone else, but no one else comes close. Anyone else is a shallow poser.

Re: Apocalypse and Sinister --

I *will* say that I appreciate how Marvel's tried to flesh them out lately, like Apoc being a colleague of Uatu and is linked to Kang the Conqueror, and how Sinister and High Evolutionary helped each other out.

Butbutbut

Yes, in the end, I do feel like they're just gimmick characters like Doomsday and Bane. For the sake of Apocalypse, I hope that gets a huge chunk of character development to better symbolize just what the X-Men are up against on an idealogical level.

[jesse_custer]

And here I thought the second film captured the epic quality of some of the better arcs in X-Men comics. You had Wolverine's berserker rage, Magneto and the X-Men teaming up to fight a greater evil, and Jean Grey sacrificing herself to save the team.

[Conn Seanery]

Agreed. X2 was the Empire Strikes Back/Wrath Of Khan of the X-series to me, just about as perfect as an X-Film could get. Better than the other two by far.

[JohnPopa]

I didn't like X2 ... or Empire Strikes Back, for that matter :)

[rick]

They really ruined the X-men films, they didn't even tap into the great material that is there.

It took three movies to do nothing.

I think one should have had them fighting Magneto and the Brotherhood but then they join forces to take care of the threat of the Sentinals. It should have been Cyclops, Jean, Beast, IceMan, Angel, and Wolverine.

The second could have been Mr. Sinister and then bring in Rogue and Gambit.

In the third Apokalypse, and bring in Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Kitty.

I would have Beast in his bulky human form in 1 and then show him transform in the second as his more Beastly look.

I would have Iceman older, and Jean younger. Rogue would be just like her character, older and the tough southern belle.

I wouldn't change the cast too much except for rogue, and Jean, and Bobby Drake.

they would wear actual costumes, something like the FF films have, but in black and a dark yellow, with certain aspects of modern costumes coming in as the films progressed. Wolvie would wear his brown suit, and his mask.

Iceman would have his Ice form when he was in action, Colossus would have a Russian accent, and be done the right way. They totally missed the diversity aspect of the x-men. I really missed that. Wolverine would be more tough too. Maybe even do a camera trick to make him shorter.


Not a big fan of Superhero movies are you?

So tell us, since the X-Films sucked and Batman Begins sucked too, how about you give us an example of a superhero movie done right?

[rick]

I didn't like X2 ... or Empire Strikes Back, for that matter :)


I did like X2.

I thought it was in fact about as good an X-Film as they are ever likely to make.

Just hated the Star Wars sequels though, every last awful one of them.

[JohnPopa]

I enjoyed the first X-Men quite a bit. X2 felt to me like adding characters for the sake of adding characters a bit and I thought the Stryker storyline was somewhat shoddily developed.

[Titan76]

I only agree with a few things the OP says but I would not like to see his version of the X-men on the big scene.

With that said the first X-men movie did suck, very bad. Here's why:

First the movie was more about Wolverine rather then the X-men. I don't have a problem with Wolverine and I know he is the most popular X-men but I don't feel they shouldn't dumb down the other X-men power-wise to make him look good and story wise either since this is suppose to be a movie about the X-men and not Wolverine.

Second they made Toad look like he was one of the most powerful mutants in the world. He beat Jean Grey, Storm, and Cyclops all at once.:confused: :rolleyes: :mad: Yes Storm did came in later to fry him but the damage had already been done. Not to mention his scene with Jean Grey and her being afraid of him and acting like she doesn't even know how to fight back against him is beyond trouble.

Then there's is the part when Magneto captures them all in the Statue of Liberty and for some reason Jean is unable not to mind control Sabretooth to kick Magneto's ass but is also unable to use her TK on either Magneto or Sabretooth or little lone to get the freaken metal off of her, Cyclops, and Storm or throw something at Magneto and Sabretooth.

Mystique being able to secretly get inside the X-mansion and is able to secretly screw up Cerebro without Xavier or Jean not knowing this because some how I guess their Telepathy doesn't work that way. But then again Xavier was able to know when Wolverine woke up and where he was the whole time when he was in the X-mansion the first time.

To wards the end when the X-men are trying to save Rogue, Wolverine ask Storm to lift him up using wind and Storm's reposing was:

"I can't do that, I don't control it like that, you could fly over it".

OK, so tell us Singer how does Storm fly? Which brings us to another point why doesn't Storm fly at all in either of Singer's movies? And her some what flying up the elevator doesn't count.

And why couldn't Jean just use her TK to crush the machine rather then Wolverine using his claws? Because we have to have Wolverine save the day and this way is much cooler that's why.:rolleyes:

Then there's Rogue. Rogue in the comic is southern Tomboy while in the movie she is a southern girlie-girl and Singer's lame version of Kitty Pride. Do I need to say more about this?

I have much more put that's I think that's enough.

The second movie wasn't bad but in no way was good or great either. It too had many flaws but overall I thought it was average(grade wise a C).

After watching X3 more times, I take back when I said it was good. It too had many flaws but I rate it higher then X1.

[stealthwise]

X-Men was good, X2 was superb, and after that...



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................ yeah, there's quite a drop.

[Legato]

X-Men was good, X2 was superb, and after that...



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................ yeah, there's quite a drop.


Last Stand could be viewed in the same fashion as the third movie of the Godfather series. Just block out everything you remember from it and forget that the movie ever existed.

What I find sort of haunting now is that we would never get to see Singers conclusion of the X-Men franchise. Im sure in his vision it would have been something truly Epic, Im talking about Return of The King type of epic.

[sugarfree]

Magneto might be overused, but at least he's a fun character with a very gruesome and dangerous history. I can't honestly remember any apocalyptic things that Apocalypse ever did except maybe AoA, but he's really like pathetic now. I mean, really. And Sinister? Hmmm...with the Marauders, it could be good.

[Shellhead]

The first X-Men movie should have faithfully followed the plot of the very first X-Men comic. Wolverine shouldn't even have appeared until the 94th X-Men movie. ;)

[Nefarius]

All x-movies were good.It's that Last Stand has to many plots and the producers wanted to be released in time to theaters.I dare to say that X3 was even better than spiderman 3.Ratner put an titanic effort to release at least a decent movie.Spiderman 3 was impressive the first time i saw it but the second time it was boring(while i can see X3 more than two times).

[SensorBoy]

More nudity.

[StoneGold]

The first X-Men movie should have faithfully followed the plot of the very first X-Men comic. Wolverine shouldn't even have appeared until the 94th X-Men movie. ;)

Now you've got me thinking how they would work that. Could you do a Giant Sized Movie #1? And shouldn't he appear in a Hulk film first?

[DC/Marvelfan]

Total revamp, faithful to the comics and the look.

first X-men movie having the original Mutants, with black and yellow costumes made like the ones in the Fantastic Four movies, they would battle Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

In 2 they would be missing, causing Xavier to recruit new X-men to find them, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus and Nightcrawler, they would save them from a new villian who has captured them, Mr. Sinister.

In 3 they would face off against Apokalypse.

[Aubergine~!]

Magneto is the perfect X-Men villain. Not saying they shouldn't have anyone else, but no one else comes close. Anyone else is a shallow poser.

Ok, disagreeing with you there.

Mags is the premier X-villain, no doubt about that, but the Sentinels are a good enough threat to carry a movie, and so is the Dark Phoenix.

[DonC]

Total revamp, faithful to the comics and the look.

first X-men movie having the original Mutants, with black and yellow costumes made like the ones in the Fantastic Four movies, they would battle Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

In 2 they would be missing, causing Xavier to recruit new X-men to find them, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus and Nightcrawler, they would save them from a new villian who has captured them, Mr. Sinister.

In 3 they would face off against Apokalypse.



You're 12-years-old, aren't you? No one over the age of 12 would actually think yellow spandex would work as a movie costume.

Anyway, Fox has about a billion reasons to disagree with your "They did everything wrong" stance. You may have wanted a different movie, but the ones they made sold tickets. You can't argue with success.

[The Zapper]

I can only hope that you are never put in charge of the movies DC/Marvelfan. We all have our opinions, but I really don't think yours would translate to film at all.

[Legato]

I can only hope that you are never put in charge of the movies DC/Marvelfan. We all have our opinions, but I really don't think yours would translate to film at all.

As a matter of fact I can see the reviews saying that Last Stand is ten times more better than that garbage. So DC/Marvelfan's idea stands a chance of making Last Stand look good by comparison.

[GrimShadow]

Ouch, talk about being hard on the guy.

[blackdragon6]

X-3 just pisses me off at the wasted potential

[SnowTrooper]

I enjoyed the first X-Men quite a bit. X2 felt to me like adding characters for the sake of adding characters a bit and I thought the Stryker storyline was somewhat shoddily developed.

X3 was the movie that added characters just for the sake of adding characters. You have Angel, a major player in the X-Men comics, who gets about a total 6 minutes of screen time and isnt really used. Then you have Magnetos henchman(Psylcoke, Callisto, and Quill) who the die hard fans might be able to recognize but there names arent even said.

Then you have Colossus and Juggernaut. Colossus' cameo in X2 made me even more excited for X3 because I thought he'd have a bigger role. He didnt, he had one line of dialogue and you saw him in action for about 30 seconds. I would have atleast thought they would let him fight with Juggernaut, as awesome as that would be but they didnt do it.

In X2, the only real characters they added were Pyro and Nightcrawler, and they both had big roles in the story. Every other X-Man or mutant they added was basically just a cameo.

[The Xenos]

For the sake.. well.. of all humanity not just this thread... let's just ignore X-3.

[Alex Dragon]

Except for trying way too hard to throw in too much stuff for the sake of doing so, I think the X-Men movies were better than the actual X-Men comics were at the time. Before the first X-Men movie the X-books had pretty much become standard superhero fare. After the first movie reminded everyone that the X-Men are really about a school and beings trying to cope with who they are.

[Legato]

For the sake.. well.. of all humanity not just this thread... let's just ignore X-3.


Thats what I have been saying since the first page of this thread.

[dougputhoff]

The X-Men should've fought al-Qaida

[Chiasm]

The first two X-films could have been better. But they still were very good simply because they focused on story over special effects. X-3 on the other hand focused on explosions and gave very little effort to the story. Two awesome story potentials were present in X-3: The Dark Phoenix plot and the mutant cure. Yet it managed to screw up both of them.

[Black Atom]

Considering I'm a comic fan and even I don't really want to see Sinister or Apocalypse on the big screen, I'm sure they shouldn't be in the movie. My instinct would've been to start with the original 5 as teenagers and make it a coming-of-age story in the midst of bigotry/superheroics etc. But I'm really satisfied with the way they went.