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the_dude
07-07-2007, 08:38 PM
ok so i was just wondering does ms. marvel's current costume (warbird) have any meaning to it. i understand her old ones but the lighting bolt thingy, red belt that serves no purpose. i like the costume but im just curious if theres a point to it or someone just sketched it and was like "hey thats cool" lol

http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/MsMarvel.jpg
http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/MsMarvel-Midriff.jpg
http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/MsMarvel-Classic.jpg
DaeJi
07-07-2007, 08:41 PM
I think it helps to distance her from the Captain Marvel legacy. It makes her her own hero, and not just some branch on another tree. And, in my opinion, it looks better.




By the way where did you get those pics?
Ult. Fireboy
07-07-2007, 09:04 PM
Hey, the dude, did you make those or did you find those somewhere. If you made them, that's pretty good.:)
Chiasm
07-07-2007, 09:08 PM
It all about sex appeal. She is the Marvel version of Power Girl. Which is why I unaffectionally call her Ms Marvelthong.
Raker Q.
07-07-2007, 09:14 PM
yeah Daeji said it best...it was to distance herself from the Captain....and I agree that it was for the better...that outfit didnt look right on her...I like the current one....I wonder if the sash around her waist was the scarf around her neck..........and I believe those pics look like Ronnie Thunderbolts artwork.
the_dude
07-07-2007, 09:20 PM
i agree the artwork is good, sadly its not mine. im not really sure who the artist behind them is. i just found them along with a ton of other marvel characters online in an index

http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/
Deadpooligan
07-07-2007, 09:22 PM
i agree the artwork is good, sadly its not mine. im not really sure who the artist behind them is. i just found them along with a ton of other marvel characters online in an index

http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/

That artwork is by our resident boardie, RonnieThunderbolts! (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=848)
DaeJi
07-07-2007, 09:50 PM
It all about sex appeal. She is the Marvel version of Power Girl. Which is why I unaffectionally call her Ms Marvelthong.

If you look at a lot of popular female heroes, you're going to see a lot of sex appeal. Take Wonder Woman for example; she fights in little more than a one-piece strapless bathing suit. With boots. At least Ms. Marvel has straps. Kinda.




And RonnieThunderbolts it is criminal that you are not working for Marvel on one of their books!
Chiasm
07-07-2007, 11:01 PM
If you look at a lot of popular female heroes, you're going to see a lot of sex appeal. Take Wonder Woman for example; she fights in little more than a one-piece strapless bathing suit. With boots. At least Ms. Marvel has straps. Kinda.


Which is why I have such disdain for most comic heroines. Most of them are either ripoffs of preexisting male characters (She-Hulk, Supergirl, or Spiderwoman) or presented as eye candy for the creator and fans to get off on (Psylocke, PowerGirl, Ms Marvel, Emma Frost, many many more).

Give me fully clothed and intelligent heroines any day like Kitty Pryde, Jenny Sparks, or Sue Richards.
Icefalcon
07-07-2007, 11:04 PM
The funny thing is, back in her old series and original costume Carol was actually a lot less - hmm shall we say "enhanced" :D , than she (and Power Girl and a lot of others) are being drawn now.
As for the Captain Marvel legacy, he was just about my favourite hero when I was a kid, and thus Carol my favourite heroine, I kind of hope there will always be a nod to the legacy.
I always thought Carol should have been the one to take up the Captain Marvel name not the totally unrelated or unconnected Monica Rambeau. I never much cared for Monica purely because she had my favourite's identity but nothing to do with him.
scottv
07-08-2007, 08:11 AM
Personally I like the current Ms. Marvel costume.
Kid Kamikaze10
07-08-2007, 08:21 AM
Let me just defend the honor of one character that has gotten unfair treatment in this thread.

Though many creators do draw alot of provocative pictures of her because of her figure, Power Girl is a very developed character otherwise, not to mention, not all her costumes had the window (the most prominent one being the yellow-and-white uniform). More developed than Jenny Sparks arguably.

Back on topic, Ms. Marvel used to be one of my favorite Marvel Superheroines (and she's still pretty up there), but one event kinda messed that up for me.

Civil War.

Now, I hold a lot of dislike for her, but I still like her more than Wasp or Elektra.
Ult. Fireboy
07-08-2007, 11:15 AM
That artwork is by our resident boardie, RonnieThunderbolts! (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=848)

That's who I thought. He's good!:)
Dark Ben
07-08-2007, 11:58 AM
If I remember correctly the costume change was a nod to DC (maybe to Captain Marvel Jr.) I'll dig a bit (I think it's in the Urban Legends Column or either one of my Comic Box).
DDM
07-08-2007, 12:54 PM
Ms. Marvel changed her costume because she did not want to be identified as simply a female version of the Kree Captain Marvel; she is human. Her reasons for changing are cleary stated in Ms. Marvel #19 & Ms. Marvel #20 (first series).
sephirothskiller
07-08-2007, 03:49 PM
I liked the name Warbird. Bring that back. And have her marry Wolverine like in the Days of Future Now mini. I found that intriguing.
the_dude
07-08-2007, 07:17 PM
any ideas why theres a lightning bolt thingy on her chest. closest thing i can come up with is it looks like the sentry's S on his belt but i dont think there would be any connection there
Icefalcon
07-09-2007, 03:15 AM
Let me just defend the honor of one character that has gotten unfair treatment in this thread.

Though many creators do draw alot of provocative pictures of her because of her figure, Power Girl is a very developed character otherwise, not to mention, not all her costumes had the window (the most prominent one being the yellow-and-white uniform). More developed than Jenny Sparks arguably.
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Don't get me wrong I love PG. She ties with Batgirl (Barbara) as my favourite Dc Heroine. I just don't always appreciate the way she's picked out for , shall we say "over zealous" art. It bugs the hell out of me and I don't want to see Carol go the same way.
DDM
07-09-2007, 08:59 AM
any ideas why theres a lightning bolt thingy on her chest. closest thing i can come up with is it looks like the sentry's S on his belt but i dont think there would be any connection there

Ms. Marvel's second costume came first, designed by the late Dave Cockrum, which debuted in Ms. Marvel #20 (1978):

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/55283435382.20.GIF

There is absolutely no connection to the Sentry. Janet Van Dyne (the Wasp) designed Carol's new Ms. Marvel costume & gave it to her as a gift.
RangerNec
07-09-2007, 11:58 AM
No way... The Sentry came first.


You just don't remember
DDM
07-09-2007, 12:43 PM
No way... The Sentry came first.


You just don't remember

I know of the fake backstory that Sentry is supposedly a "lost" Marvel character created originally by Stan Lee; however, the story is a fake, a marketing gimmick.

Carol Danvers first appears in Marvel Super-Heroes #13 (1969), Ms. Marvel #1 (as Ms. Marvel) (1976).

The Sentry is already a crap character. He--or the writers & editors--is just leeching off other characters to make himself more important. The Sentry means nothing, especially related to Ms. Marvel.

Ms. Marvel has more in common with Mar-Vell than Sentry.