Countdown #43 Cool, now were talking!!! [Archive]

General Grievous

07-05-2007, 07:45 AM

Countdown #43 Cool, now were talking!!!

This series is starting to pick up now,

Deadshot,

Mulitplex

A funeral for bart allen,

Robins sad speech

The Rogues are hiding, no costumes on them now,

Bob the monitor, monach and forerunner are all in this issue too,

The back up tale was decent too. Doomsday, parralax, sue dibny,

All the sad tales that happened in the DCU years ago.

CMBMOOL

07-05-2007, 07:56 AM

Wow in just one week we get two different funerals. :(

General Grievous

07-05-2007, 09:08 AM

Oh boy,

The Monitors army is Huge,
and forerunner is the leader of them,

Goal: kill kill kill!!!!

CMBMOOL

07-05-2007, 09:37 AM

Oh boy,

The Monitors army is Huge,
and forerunner is the leader of them,

Goal: kill kill kill!!!!

Just who's in who's army as doesn't the rouge Forerunner have an army of her own ? :confused:

General Grievous

07-05-2007, 09:50 AM

Just who's in who's army as doesn't the rouge Forerunner have an army of her own ? :confused:

someone killed all her species, a woman, another mystery.

she wants revenge.

her words: Then i will lead my army across the mulitverse and we won't stop killing until every drop of monitor blood is spilled, Then i will eviscerate the woman who murdered my people....

Buried Alien

07-05-2007, 10:56 AM

"Forerunner" is apparently a play on words for "Harbinger" (and perhaps Flash too, as superspeed was the first observed superpower demonstrated by the Forerunners). Like the original Harbinger, the Forerunners are apparently of a mind to betray their Monitor masters.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

jv2k

07-05-2007, 10:59 AM

This issue was great.
Although I know Bart's comming back and his death was unneccessary it was touching. Surprisingly despite the fact that most of the book was about Barts Funeral all of the stories progressed a bit. We got a little more info on the future multiverse sliders and they should be starting their adventure soon, we got a little bit of commentary from Jimmy, Forerunner's tale is picking up, the rogues storyline moved forward, and Holly's tale moved on a little bit.

Although I found Holly's story to be the least interesting(I don't read catwoman so I only know her as the little girl from batman year one) the introduction of Harly Quin seems like an interesting twist. I also had to admit that I chuckled when she revieled her identity after saying she was dependent on her relationship with a man and that her previous boyfriend was a psycho.

The backup multiverse tale was a bit confusing though, I mean they should have elaborated on the whole Ragnorock thing more. The way they just skipped over supermans death and int he same sentance just alluded to Hal's fall with a picture of paralax also would only make much sense if you already knew the stories.

All and all though this was the best issue yet.

Rollo_Tomasi

07-05-2007, 11:36 AM

Oh boy,

The Monitors army is Huge,
and forerunner is the leader of them,

Goal: kill kill kill!!!!

you mean the Monarch's army, right?

NMoline

07-05-2007, 12:05 PM

I am sure that is what he meant. I am happy to see things heating up because before this issue there never seemed to be a threat to the DCU in Countdown. Now we have Monarch's Army and we know in the Sinestro Corps. we have a scary bunch of Mother "Shut Your Mouth", Hey I was just talking about Superboy Prime, Parallax, and the Anti-Monitor.

MAK15

07-05-2007, 12:45 PM

wow!
wonder what'll happen to trickster and Piper?

maybe this? http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=24819&sessionid=8e8617219733b1d5093853c0cefe677c

Nintendite

07-05-2007, 12:54 PM

drwho

07-05-2007, 01:43 PM

Kid Kamikaze10

07-05-2007, 02:08 PM

I loved the Harley Quinn cameo. This issue was better than last 2 issues.

jv2k

07-05-2007, 02:17 PM

Okay this the last issue for me. i mean you would think jason and donna would know that saving the universe is more important than a funeral.

Donna was in mourning. Bart's first superhero team was the Titans back when she was on the team. She knew him personally and it isn't unreasonable for her to want to be there for the funeral.

The art here is also awful.

This I just don't get at all. The art in this issue was pretty solid, just as much as 52 was anyway.

The Holly part doesnt make sense to me cus I think they are implying she is hanging with amazons by the setting and dress, but then this thing turns out to be more like a spa than anything. I'm done for good.
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It's a woman's shelter. The amazons run a few of them apparently. It seems like the book has avoided crossing over with Amazon attacks(which is very much a good thing).

Magneto Rocks

07-05-2007, 03:13 PM

Don

07-05-2007, 03:37 PM

someone killed all her species, a woman, another mystery.

she wants revenge.

her words: Then i will lead my army across the mulitverse and we won't stop killing until every drop of monitor blood is spilled, Then i will eviscerate the woman who murdered my people....

At the end of Titans/Outsiders: Graduation Day, there's an image of Donna Troy running into battle.

Could this be the woman that killed off Forerunner's species?

I ask, because I haven't been following Donna Troy, and don't know if anything was explained about the time between her "death" and resurrection.

matt_hatyber

07-05-2007, 03:45 PM

its has to be granny goodness:):):)

handOFfate

07-05-2007, 04:43 PM

wow!
wonder what'll happen to trickster and Piper?

maybe this? http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=24819&sessionid=8e8617219733b1d5093853c0cefe677c

That's a crazy picture. I can't wait to see the first confrontation post-Bart between Piper and Wally.
Does anybody else think at least one or two rogues bite the dust. I imagine they are public enemy number one after bart's death.

Buried Alien

07-05-2007, 04:47 PM

That's a crazy picture. I can't wait to see the first confrontation post-Bart between Piper and Wally.
Does anybody else think at least one or two rogues bite the dust. I imagine they are public enemy number one after bart's death.

Wally is no killer, though. He wants payback for Bart's death, but I doubt Wally will kill anyone.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

spidervenom

07-05-2007, 07:08 PM

Issue was good I cant wait for the next issue now that everythings speeding up with the rouges, Jimmy, forerunner and the challengers of beyond just wondering if their journey takes place before or after sinestro corp. Also why is monarchs face fleshy.

Nintendite

07-05-2007, 07:23 PM

I dropped this... and then took it back up again.

Every time I wonder why in God's name I shell out four comicsworth of cash a month, I just keep reminding myself: Darkseid. Darkseid. Darkseid. He'll be here.

Sadly for everyone waiting for Darkseid, we must all remember one of the facts we all know about Darkseid: Darkseid does not sleep, he waits.

Jack Zodiac

07-05-2007, 07:26 PM

Okay... I buckled and actually bought this week's Countdown, and while things are finally looking like they're gonna' gear up, my main complaint is still the lack of focus. By this time in 52, most issues were focusing on one plot while the other plots moved forward a panel or two in the background. This issue was a mess of storytelling in four different directions with barely any momentum. I mainly bought the issue to read Bart's eulogy without treating my comic shop like a library.

Froggy

07-05-2007, 07:33 PM

Wally is no killer, though. He wants payback for Bart's death, but I doubt Wally will kill anyone.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
he'll just rough em up with vented frustration and an ger
Issue was good I cant wait for the next issue now that everythings speeding up with the rouges, Jimmy, forerunner and the challengers of beyond just wondering if their journey takes place before or after sinestro corp. Also why is monarchs face fleshy.cause of him being capt atom i guess? that WAS weird

Sadly for everyone waiting for Darkseid, we must all remember one of the facts we all know about Darkseid: Darkseid does not sleep, he waits.
I've got this weird picture of some parademons watching darkseid wait, and going "yo, I heard he sleeps with his eyes open!" and then they get OE'd as darkseid says "FOOLS! DARKSEID DOESNT SLEEP! HE WAITS!"
Okay... I buckled and actually bought this week's Countdown, and while things are finally looking like they're gonna' gear up, my main complaint is still the lack of focus. By this time in 52, most issues were focusing on one plot while the other plots moved forward a panel or two in the background. This issue was a mess of storytelling in four different directions with barely any momentum. I mainly bought the issue to read Bart's eulogy without treating my comic shop like a library.

GOOD MAN JACK, good man jack

The Lucky One

07-05-2007, 07:48 PM

Wow. I don't read this series, just bought it for Bart's funeral... but congratulations (and my heartiest thanks) to Paul Dini for, in one issue, acknowledging more about Young Justice's existence than DC has in its entirety for the last 5 years. Superboy called Kon, not Conner? References to Arrowette and Secret? Awesome. Only thing missing was a speech by Red Tornado. And Jay's grief was nicely handled.

RIP, Bart, till your inevitable resurrection.

-D

jerrymcl89

07-05-2007, 08:17 PM

her words: Then i will lead my army across the mulitverse and we won't stop killing until every drop of monitor blood is spilled, Then i will eviscerate the woman who murdered my people....

I'd think Lady Styx would be a fair possibility. Particularly since that could lead into the Adam Strange/Starfire/Animal Man series that's upcoming.

The Xenos

07-05-2007, 10:13 PM

I'm just about ready to drop this, but I wanted to 'attend' Bart's funeral service. It was pretty touching.

dabig2

07-05-2007, 11:36 PM

Good that we got an Omen callout. Her death was widely ignored since Donna "died" as well. In fact, didn't they bury her next to some shack and put a sticky note on a stick that read "RIP, she was cool"?

Nice funeral though. Wonder who it was that killed off that forerunner's species.

Taskmaster

07-06-2007, 08:39 AM

Bart's funeral was well done, but too bad the art sucked and I could care less about the majority of the stories going on. This is nowhere near the awesomeness that was 52. I just better get a good reason why Deadshot was haning out with Multiplex of all characters instead of with the rest of the Six, the only thing I can think of is a new Suicide Squad, but even then why would Floyd be back onboard

Rollo_Tomasi

07-06-2007, 09:04 AM

I think he was def. on the cover of the new Suicide Squad series' first issue...

Walter West

07-06-2007, 09:15 AM

Donna was in mourning. Bart's first superhero team was the Titans back when she was on the team. She knew him personally and it isn't unreasonable for her to want to be there for the funeral.

This I just don't get at all. The art in this issue was pretty solid, just as much as 52 was anyway.

It's a woman's shelter. The amazons run a few of them apparently. It seems like the book has avoided crossing over with Amazon attacks(which is very much a good thing).[/QUOTE]

Bart's first superhero team was Young Justice, wasn't it?:confused:

General Grievous

07-06-2007, 09:50 AM

I think he was def. on the cover of the new Suicide Squad series' first issue...

I reckon they are penguins henchmen, Deadshot has worked for penguin before, in war games.

Big Red Spider

07-06-2007, 10:33 AM

I decided to drop this book this week. And there was a Harley apperance?!? I wish I could get a scan. Was there any Mary Marvel? Of all the other issues her part was the only part I liked.

Kelson

07-06-2007, 10:33 AM

Bart's first superhero team was Young Justice, wasn't it?:confused:

Believe it or not, it actually was the Titans, back when Arsenal was running the team with sponsorship from Checkmate. Donna was there as Earth's Darkstar. Rose Wilson was just a normal teenager, and had been placed in Titans custody since her mother had just died, and Deathstroke didn't want her anywhere near him (for fear that she'd be killed too). Bart had a bit of a crush on her back then, which is why it made sense for them to be together int he Titans Tomorrow alternate future.

This was roughly 1994-1996, between Zero Hour and the Dan Jurgens revamp of the Teen Titans. Young Justice, IIRC, launched in 1998.

rerun

07-06-2007, 10:49 AM

glennsim

07-06-2007, 11:10 AM

The only thing I'm not sure about with Countdown vs. the regular DCU is with the events like Amazons Attack and Sinetro Corp- do these happen during one week of Countdown? are they happening right now in CD or down the road? when the storyline for a story is strung out over 6 months like Amazons Attack is, it's weird how it relates to Countdown. WW3 was over in a week; how much longer would this other stuff last?

I hate to give a "don't think so much about it" answer, but I think DC is playing it pretty fast and loose here. I think we're really just meant to use the context of the situation to determine where things fit together, rather than a this week = this week specificness. I know they sortof set up some rules up front, but I don't know that they are following them too hard.

jv2k

07-06-2007, 11:53 AM

The only thing I'm not sure about with Countdown vs. the regular DCU is with the events like Amazons Attack and Sinetro Corp- do these happen during one week of Countdown? are they happening right now in CD or down the road? when the storyline for a story is strung out over 6 months like Amazons Attack is, it's weird how it relates to Countdown. WW3 was over in a week; how much longer would this other stuff last?

Countdown isn't like 52 where every week real time is a week in the book. It runs on the same screwy peanuts time that normal comics do.

davros42

07-06-2007, 12:43 PM

I'm still most interested in whether there was some kind of coloring/shading error or is Captain Atom not the Monarch anymore?

Multiple Monarchs would give me a headache.

Conner_Kent

07-06-2007, 02:47 PM

Superboy called Kon, not Conner?

-D

um....what??? Kon-El is Conner.......how could Prime (im guessing you mean him) kill Kon but not conner??? THAT MAKES NO SENSE MAN!!!

Jack Zodiac

07-06-2007, 06:12 PM

No, in Bart's eulogy, Kon-El, the Nineties Superboy, is mentioned by him and Robin. Superboy-Prime's still the Clark Kent of Earth-Prime, they were talking about Kon-El, Conner, the Superboy who died in Infinite Crisis.

The Lucky One

07-06-2007, 06:19 PM

um....what??? Kon-El is Conner.......how could Prime (im guessing you mean him) kill Kon but not conner??? THAT MAKES NO SENSE MAN!!!

....what? :confused:

-D

Dark Ben

07-06-2007, 06:55 PM

I think at least it becomes really intresting shall I recall you that most of us didn't really have faith in 52 in the first 12 weeks let give some time to countdown and stop judging him with 52 there was some lack in the art but hey look how many characters were pictured here...the poor man that draw this must have now R.I.P. tatooed on his arm for me it give us the eulogy bat deserved and things are finally beginning to move on I guess the "exposition time" is finished (and +1 for terry dodson covers)

P.S. Impulse was briefly member of Justice League: Task Force before Young justice while he was still a Titans check out

The Xenos

07-06-2007, 07:10 PM

I'm still most interested in whether there was some kind of coloring/shading error or is Captain Atom not the Monarch anymore?

Multiple Monarchs would give me a headache.

Multiple Monarchs? That's crap! There is but ONE Monarch!

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5545/200pxmonarch01mq9.jpg

PastePotPete

07-07-2007, 12:04 PM

Okay this the last issue for me. i mean you would think jason and donna would know that saving the universe is more important than a funeral. The art here is also awful. The Holly part doesnt make sense to me cus I think they are implying she is hanging with amazons by the setting and dress, but then this thing turns out to be more like a spa than anything. I'm done for good.

I believe this is the third or fourth time you've said you're definitely dropping the book for good.

You must keep coming back for some reason!

This last issue was a definite step in the right direction. I liked how multiple storylines converged on Bart Allen's funeral. I like how all the storylines moved forward. I'm still plugged in to this book.

Two things annoyed me:
1) The Monitor with Donna and Jason begins talking about the nanoverse as if he's mentioned it before, but I checked and we haven't really learned about this nanoverse plan yet. I found this a little confusing - I thought I was missing some information, like I had forgotten a scene from a previous issue.

2)Captain Atom's face was colored like flesh. Mike Carlin has admitted this was a mistake. Come on, DC! Get with it! That's just dumb!

Anodyne

07-07-2007, 08:34 PM

Phoney Bone

07-07-2007, 10:34 PM

I was liking the series already, but the art in this issue had a better story-telling pace to it than # 51-44. I wonder wh...

... oh, Giffen's on breakdowns!

Paul Dini and Keith Giffen, the ligaments holding the skeleton of the DCU together.

Harding Prime

07-07-2007, 11:47 PM

At the end of Titans/Outsiders: Graduation Day, there's an image of Donna Troy running into battle.

Could this be the woman that killed off Forerunner's species?

I ask, because I haven't been following Donna Troy, and don't know if anything was explained about the time between her "death" and resurrection.

I think it is just a ploy by Monarch, they aren't really dead.

Harding Prime

07-07-2007, 11:53 PM

Two things annoyed me:
1) The Monitor with Donna and Jason begins talking about the nanoverse as if he's mentioned it before, but I checked and we haven't really learned about this nanoverse plan yet. I found this a little confusing - I thought I was missing some information, like I had forgotten a scene from a previous issue.

Me too!

I thought I missed an issue or something.

Jonah Weiland

07-08-2007, 04:44 PM

Justin and Brian break down the latest issue of "Countdown" for you, with reactions to the funeral of Bart Allen and some of the other surprises revealed this week.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11079

Buried Alien

07-08-2007, 06:49 PM

paulski

07-08-2007, 09:59 PM

NMoline

07-08-2007, 10:02 PM

Better issue, but the book's still a long way from earning its pay from me. I've just decided I'll give it until the end of the month (which should just about get us to the end of the first trade) and then drop it if it's not blowing me away by then. After all, four or five issues a month is one hell of a potential savings if I'm not enjoying a title. :(

I understand your sentiments; but for myself I don't think I could ever drop it. I would feel like I am missing too many importnat happenings in the DCU. I know this is my flaw and this is why DC keeps making the big bucks but hey I love comic books what can I say.

MAK15

07-08-2007, 11:43 PM

The Monitors are physically more vulnerable than I thought they would be. Jason Todd, a non-metahuman with no superpowers, was able to bloody one with his bare hands. You'd think Monitors would be made of sterner stuff.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

it's always assumed that something that has a lotta firepower can take a punvh to the jaw. however, lotsa things that have high energy manipulation or even Telekinesis have glass jaws/dont fight as well as those who rely on their fighting prowess.

examples include Marvel's molecule man, Dc's Psimon would prolly get messed up real bad if not for his Tk, Gizmo requires his gadgets to avoid being beaten to a bloody pulp (before being lazerd to death) etc.

Jack Zodiac

07-08-2007, 11:46 PM

I understand your sentiments; but for myself I don't think I could ever drop it. I would feel like I am missing too many importnat happenings in the DCU. I know this is my flaw and this is why DC keeps making the big bucks but hey I love comic books what can I say.

I think that mentality's the only thing that's gonna' keep this book from slipping. And it's also the same mentality that makes junk like Civil War sell huge.

Buried Alien

07-09-2007, 12:33 AM

it's always assumed that something that has a lotta firepower can take a punvh to the jaw. however, lotsa things that have high energy manipulation or even Telekinesis have glass jaws/dont fight as well as those who rely on their fighting prowess.

That could be. The original Monitor wasn't all that robust either, considering that his own assistant, Harbinger, took him down with just a single energy blast.

On the other hand, the original Monitor was considered to be equal to the *Anti-Monitor*, but the Anti-Monitor seemed much more resilient. Even in his default mode, the Anti-Monitor was able to sustain blows from Pre-COIE Earth-One Kryptonians such as Superman and Supergirl. Fully powered, the Anti-Monitor could easily withstand blows from multiple beings equivalent to Earth-One Kryptonians in power.

But ironically, it seemed that the Flashes could do great damage to the Anti-Monitor. Both Barry Allen and Wally West have had success in fracturing/penetrating the Anti-Monitor's external shell.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

MAK15

07-09-2007, 01:11 AM

But ironically, it seemed that the Flashes could do great damage to the Anti-Monitor. Both Barry Allen and Wally West have had success in fracturing/penetrating the Anti-Monitor's external shell.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

huh...maybe the speed force is like the kryptonite to the monitors? or even...the multiverse? I mean, the speed force alone allowed the original flashes to meet up in the first place, it could be that special thing that allows them to destroy/disrupt anything that...uh, I dunno, is monitory? multi-versy? IM tired, gimme a break.

here's another thing: did superboy's reality punch ever effct any flash history? and for that matter, was any flash history really altered whenever the multiverse was renewed/restarted? Im thinkikn that the speed force might also protect the speedster's from the reality altering? just a tired theory.

paulski

07-09-2007, 02:48 AM

I understand your sentiments; but for myself I don't think I could ever drop it. I would feel like I am missing too many important happenings in the DCU. I know this is my flaw and this is why DC keeps making the big bucks but hey I love comic books what can I say.
No, I understand completely, dude. I normally stick with books for longer than I should, but a weekly title makes it a much harder sell than normal.

My main problem with this book is that it just seems to be skirting around parts of the DCU without telling an actual story. That's the difference between this and 52 where 5 or 6 distinct, ongoing (and thoroughly interesting) stories were being constructed. Here, it just appears to be jumping around all over the place, whatever the main highlights of the month (Bart's death, Amazons Attack, etc) might be. Just doesn't grab me. :(

Buried Alien

07-09-2007, 03:08 AM

was any flash history really altered whenever the multiverse was renewed/restarted?

Only to the extent that Keystone City and Central City were placed onto the same Earth rather than being separated on Earth-Two and Earth-One (respectively) as they had been during the Pre-COIE era, which means the circumstances of Jay Garrick and Barry Allen's first meeting Post-COIE were somewhat different from the classic Silver Age "The Flash of Two Worlds" story.

Also, the specifics of Barry and Wally's first meeting (i.e. the clothes they wore and the words they spoke to each other on that first day) changed between the Silver Age and Modern Age tellings.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

MAK15

07-09-2007, 06:30 AM

Only to the extent that Keystone City and Central City were placed onto the same Earth rather than being separated on Earth-Two and Earth-One (respectively) as they were during the Pre-COIE era, which means the circumstances of Jay Garrick and Barry Allen's first meeting Post-COIE were somewhat different from the classic Silver Age "The Flash of Two Worlds' story.

Also, the specifics of Barry and Wally's first meeting (i.e. the clothes they wore and the words they spoke to each other on that first day) changed between the Silver Age and Modern Age tellings.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

ah, kay. thanks for that. I guess that drops the theory that the speed force protects the user's completely from reality warping at each crisis or woteva.

NMoline

07-09-2007, 07:43 AM

No, I understand completely, dude. I normally stick with books for longer than I should, but a weekly title makes it a much harder sell than normal.

My main problem with this book is that it just seems to be skirting around parts of the DCU without telling an actual story. That's the difference between this and 52 where 5 or 6 distinct, ongoing (and thoroughly interesting) stories were being constructed. Here, it just appears to be jumping around all over the place, whatever the main highlights of the month (Bart's death, Amazons Attack, etc) might be. Just doesn't grab me. :(

That seems to be the reason that I am gravitating to it. Yes it has got me interested in the Flash again so I will read it but books like Catwoman, Amazons Attack, Teen Titans, Trials of Shazam, Nightwing, Outsiders, books that I don't read, at least I can get a basic understanding of what is happening in the DCU without having to purchase 30 different titles a month. If it gets confusing because I am not reading the title I always have you guys to answer my questions as someone did earlier for me explaining what Holly has been doing in Catwoman.

Kelson

07-09-2007, 12:16 PM

On the other hand, the original Monitor was considered to be equal to the *Anti-Monitor*, but the Anti-Monitor seemed much more resilient. Even in his default mode, the Anti-Monitor was able to sustain blows from Pre-COIE Earth-One Kryptonians such as Superman and Supergirl. Fully powered, the Anti-Monitor could easily withstand blows from multiple beings equivalent to Earth-One Kryptonians in power.

Of course, by then, the Anti-Monitor had already absorbed the power of millions of universes, and I seem to recall that the Monitor weakened with each universe that was destroyed. So it's kind of understandable that he might be a bit tougher.