2nd Countdown teaser image posted......YOWZA!!

[General Grievous]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/countdown/SecondTease/BadBoys.html

enjoy

[RAman]

WOW!!!!

I can't analyze it right now; just WOW!!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

And just who the hell is the Superman in the black costume?

EDIT: And since when is MM a bad guy? Please, if the answer to this question means that you have to tell me something regarding countdown, then don't say anything. I haven't started reading it yet.

[General Grievous]

Luthor has blood on his hands

Emperor Joker, joker?

Black kryptonian superman?

Cyborg superman

Villains defiant!!!

Mary marvel truely evil.

BTW,

ethan van sciver done that image:)

[Conner_Kent]

thats superman when he came back from the dead, his recovery suit....only why is there a cape? and why are there 2 supermen plus henshaw........what the hell is goin on lol

[General Grievous]

And just who the hell is the Superman in the black costume?

EDIT: And since when is MM a bad guy? Please, if the answer to this question means that you have to tell me something regarding countdown, then don't say anything. I haven't started reading it yet.

I'll say nothing about MM then:)

Emperor Joker Fugitive Superman or Kryptonian Resurrection Suit Superman

[General Grievous]

Is this picture based on the Last supper?

the first was based on The sopranoes, second on the last supper?

cool:)

[Taskmaster]

Awesome! Superfriends Luthor! Mullet Superman! Some cool stuff there, including some of the other stuff I can see

The back grond doesn't look like specific city this time, but it is in far worse shape and burning and instead of a Liberty head this time we get a Darkseid head, the groups mostly on the other side of the coin now with people like Lex and the Joker isntead of Batman and Superman.

Some immediate things i noticed, for those of you who don't want to click the link, are:

Upper left corner:
-Martian Manhunter in his new costume with a bloody knife
- Joker talking with Catwoman

Upper Right:
-Cyborg Superman wearing his Sinestro Corps uniform
-Mullet Superman (in black) whispering to Cyborg Superman
-Kingdom Come Superman with some kind of energy sig. on his fist

Lower left:
-Black Mary Marvel looking might happy getting hit by lightning
-Eclipso with her hand around Mary
-Granny Goodness cheering her on
-Wonder WOman's Shield behind them

Middle:
-Lex Luthor on his knees crying with his hands covered in blood

Lower right:
-The young Trickster with some weird flute talking to Desaad and the Penguin while pointing at Luthor

In the foreground some of the objects this time are:
-Superman's cape
-Batman's cowl
-Wonder Woman's sword
-that same kirby device
-the book of destiny (tie in to Brave and the Bold?)
-Black Skier's broken skies
-some weird red box
-one of Green Arrow's arrows, broken

Ok thats enough from me :)

[Sean Walsh]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=119149

The same kinda image as the 1st one, only here it's all villains standing on and around a fallen statue of Darkseid:

Lex, Penguin, Trickster, Martian Manhunter (:eek: ), Eclipso, Granny Goodness, Cyborg Superman, Mary Marvel (:eek: ), Joker, Catwoman, Kal-L (:eek: ) and what looks like Superman when he came back from the dead in 1993. :eek:

Artifacts include torn capes, a sword, the Black Racer's equipment, the Forever People's Mother Box, Hippolyta's shield, a possibly evil book and some more stuff....

[Taskmaster]

I'll say nothing about MM then:)

Emperor Joker Fugitive Superman or Kryptonian Resurrection Suit Superman


Wow I didn't even think of Emperor Joker Superman, but that would tie in with the big event theme going on lately

[General Grievous]

I already posted this:)

no worries,

Mine's in the DC universe section, This is in the countdown section so it should be fine

Im sure they'll be grand!

cool

[General Grievous]

The energy on his fist?

eradicator related maybe?

[Violently Apathetic]

Cool.

I'm mostly amused that they can't seem to get the Trickster's costume right in the se promo images. Not that I mind, I liked the second Trickster's costume better anyway, but still...

[Violently Apathetic]

Lower right:
-The young Trickster with some weird flute talking to Desaad and the Penguin while pointing at Luthor


I'm pretty sure that's the older Trickster (James) with Piper's flute. I think he just decided to dress younger or something...

[bfrank]

Wow I didn't even think of Emperor Joker Superman, but that would tie in with the big event theme going on lately

death of superman was a much bigger (and better) event.......

....though if we do have to deal with empy jokester, I do so hope, that we can finally get the scoop on ignition..........

[Fatguy]

Uuuuuughh why is Martian Manhunter on here holding a bloody knife??

Please DC, dont do something so stupid as making Martian Manhunter evil :(

[Nintendite]

Mommy.

Initial Reactions:

First off, we have red skies and a weird spirally worm-hole thingy. Never good signs.

The city is on fire, again, never a good sign. I don't think it's meant to be any type of identifiable city (as opposed to the first one, which had NYC).


Martian Manhunter (new costume with a bloody knife) is looking at the Joker, who is talking to (trying to convince?) Catwoman. Catwoman seems to be holding something in her right (our left) hand. There HAS to be some type of significance here.


Mary Marvel flanked by Eclipso (Loring) and Granny Goodness. It's clear that Mary is becoming more and more powerful, perhaps a struggle between Eclipso (who'd no doubt want to take over such a powerful being) and Granny (who is still in that endless quest for a Female Fury) is imminent.

Superfriends-suit Luthor: He also wore that uniform during Infinite Crisis, IIRC.


Three Supermen: Kingdom Come, Hank Henshaw (in Sinestro uni) and return-of-Superman Superman. Multiverse, Sinestro War and possibly another Multiverse/time-travel story (Booster Gold?).

Trickster, Desaad and Penguin: Maybe their talking about how they somehow made Luthor their fall-boy for whatever has just happened.

Darkseid Head: You know, if that symbolizes the death of Darkseid, then I shudder to think of what killed him (unless if it was Orion), because the only thing worse then the devil you know is the devil you don't know.

Objects on the ground: A broken Green Arrow that KINDA looks like the crystalline arrow used in the story that had GA join the JLA and was seen again in The Archer's Quest, The Weird Red Box for some reason cries out something to do with Magic, the Black Racer's skies are ominous (Because that might mean that someone has killed the New Gods' idea of Death), their are 2 ski poles, but a third black object is there as well (Zatanna's Wand? A special trick arrow?)
The book of Destiny may mean that the Endless are involved, but I doubt it, since, with the exception of Destiny (since he was created before Sandman), all of the various Sandman characters are controlled by Gaiman and can only be used if he says so,


And I JUST noticed something kinda chilling: look at the right side of the darkseid statue's face. Look at what the shadows seem to create on it. It almost looks like.... the ANTI-MONITOR!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Badboyszoom.jpg
If that's a mistake, it's a pretty damn convenient one!

[Nintendite]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Badboyszoom.jpg

I posted this in the other thread as well. But I'll post it here too: That looks like the Anti-Monitor.

[matt_hatyber]

ok dude it doesnt look like the anti-monitor. is that superboy prime in the purple robe?


oh yea i know its off topic but because u brought up the anti-monitor, in the brave new world did anyone else notice the anti-monitor in the back ground, of the page were the montitor says, the MONITORS?

[RocketRed]

I don't get it... how does it resemble the anti-monitor in anyway? I cannot see the similarities.. it just looks like a shade of grey/black!

[Sean Walsh]

ok dude it doesnt look like the anti-monitor. is that superboy prime in the purple robe?

Nope; that's Desaad, Darkseid's right-hand man.

[Lex]

Well, it's slightly less lame than the first one.

And I see we've gone from having Superman needlessly crying like a little pansy to Lex Luthor needlessly crying like a little pansy. Interesting.

[suprmn19823]

IF YOU READ THE SINESTRO CORPS SPECIAL IT HAS ANTI MONITOR, CYBORG SUPERMAN, SUPERBOY PRIME AND SINESTRO CORPS MEMBERS!!!!!!:eek:

[matt_hatyber]

IF YOU READ THE SINESTRO CORPS SPECIAL IT HAS ANTI MONITOR, CYBORG SUPERMAN, SUPERBOY PRIME AND SINESTRO CORPS MEMBERS!!!!!!:eek:


what does that have to do with us talking about this picture?


oh yea, that thing on the ground from the first picture is in that picture to. is it the thing that guy stole from the flash?

[suprmn19823]

KINDOM COMES SUPES HAS A GLOWING YELLOW FIST. IS HE IN THE SINESTOR CORPS???:confused:

[Wally_West]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Badboyszoom.jpg

I posted this in the other thread as well. But I'll post it here too: That looks like the Anti-Monitor.

that looks like a puma wearing one of those russian beanies...i dont see the anti-monitor =(

[matt_hatyber]

god there are to threads about this, we should be talking aboutn this in countdown, because u know is a spoiler image for countdown.

[matt_hatyber]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Badboyszoom.jpg

I posted this in the other thread as well. But I'll post it here too: That looks like the Anti-Monitor.

nintendite, yuou need glasses, that does not look like anti-monitor.



oh and i think the fallen darksied heads shows that darksied takes over earth( thats why theres a statue of him). and then he gets taken down, and ether runs away or dies.

[Christopher Cross Is God]

And I JUST noticed something kinda chilling: look at the right side of the darkseid statue's face. Look at what the shadows seem to create on it. It almost looks like.... the ANTI-MONITOR!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Badboyszoom.jpg
If that's a mistake, it's a pretty damn convenient one!


All I see is an elephant's vagina.

[Buried Alien]

Kal-L (:eek: )

Not Kal-L; the KINGDOM COME Superman, who these days would be the Earth-22 Superman.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[jadrax]

Its been posted else where, but there are thirteen people, in poses that are somewhat similar to the last supper.

[Lex]

My very first impression was to roll my eyes and think this was lame. But there are some interesting things in this picture.

After laughing at how they did Luthor, I looked around him and saw all those interesting little items. I see that New Gods-y weapon that was in the first teaser. Then Black Racer's skiies (I wouldn't be too sad if they killed the Racer off... I've always considered him one of Kirby's weaker creations). The red box thing looks familiar, but I'm not sure where I've seen it before. And is that Merlin's Eternity Book? Interesting.

And what's up with Trickster's costume? He's wearing the costume of the young, punk Trickster from Geoff Johns' run. So when he and Piper break out of prison, is that the only costume he can find? Also, why is he holding one of Piper's flutes?

Seeing Mary Marvel and the characters around her reminds me of everything that worries me about her plotline. I really hope that the Mary that comes out of Countdown still resembles the sweet, innocent Mary that we've known for 60 years.

Cyborg Superman being there is interesting, though it worries me too. I like the Sinestro Corps story going on in Green Lantern now. I'd prefer it if that remains as a GL story and doesn't get tied into Countdown. Though after reading Didio's interview last week about the first teaser image, there's no chance of that happening. Why can't we just have good stories that don't tie into the rest of the DCU? What's so wrong with that?

The book of Destiny may mean that the Endless are involved, but I doubt it, since, with the exception of Destiny (since he was created before Sandman), all of the various Sandman characters are controlled by Gaiman and can only be used if he says so,
Oh yeah, it might be the Book of Destiny. We've seen that recently in The Brave and the Bold, where someone has stolen the Book.

[Kelson]

I'm pretty sure that's the older Trickster (James) with Piper's flute. I think he just decided to dress younger or something...

They used the younger Trickster's gloves on the "Villains Defiant" promo, as well. Given that they've been using the right costume in the book so far, I figure it's got to be intentional. Maybe he'll be forced to work with the younger one? Maybe the younger one will actually step in, and they want to hint at it without giving it away?

[Buried Alien]

Seeing Mary Marvel and the characters around her reminds me of everything that worries me about her plotline. I really hope that the Mary that comes out of Countdown still resembles the sweet, innocent Mary that we've known for 60 years.

She will on Earth-5. The jury's still out on New Earth Mary, however.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Lex]

She will on Earth-5. The jury's still out on New Earth Mary, however.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
I'm aware of that. But Didio is being a jerk about not allowing any books that take place on those other Earths. So what's the chance that we'll see a Mary that I like... other than another Jeff Smith mini?

[Nintendite]

Here's what I mean by the "Anti-Monitor Shadow".


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/explanation.jpg

[matt_hatyber]

dc has ruined the marvel family:(

is earth 5 the earth that shazam monster soicity is happening on?

[Violently Apathetic]

They used the younger Trickster's gloves on the "Villains Defiant" promo, as well. Given that they've been using the right costume in the book so far, I figure it's got to be intentional. Maybe he'll be forced to work with the younger one? Maybe the younger one will actually step in, and they want to hint at it without giving it away?

That's an interesting idea, and it would be kind of fun. I actually liked Axel (albeit not as much as James) and was hoping they'd do something with him.

[RocketRed]

All I see is an elephant's vagina.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHA HHHAAAAAHAHA


:D :D :D

[666MasterOfPuppets]

thats superman when he came back from the dead, his recovery suit....only why is there a cape? and why are there 2 supermen plus henshaw........what the hell is goin on lol

One of the Supermen is Earth-2 Superman (IIRC), who was supposedly dead.

The other one, I'd have to presume that it's OUR Superman (New Earth's), but why in the black suit? And most importantly, why in a villains-only pic?

I'll say nothing about MM then:)

Emperor Joker Fugitive Superman or Kryptonian Resurrection Suit Superman

This thing's confusing... And thanks for not spilling the beans. That'd ruin it for me.

[Deathstroke]

Martian Manhunter goes fully bad?

Mary Marvel becomes slut for power from Darkseid dogs?

Yeah this makes me want to read the series...not.

Any wonder why my pull list continues to shrink. A notion I didn't think was possible a couple of years ago.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Not Kal-L; the KINGDOM COME Superman, who these days would be the Earth-22 Superman.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

And why not Kal-L? It looks like Geoff Johns is going to bring him back this year in the pages of JSA, right?

[Buried Alien]

And why not Kal-L? It looks like Geoff Johns is going to bring him back this year in the pages of JSA, right?

I hope Kal-L will be part of this too, but the picture in question isn't Kal-L. The shield on the chest is that of the KINGDOM COME Superman.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[TotalWorldDomination]

Damn you DC! I was getting ready to drop this title for the slow and random pacing but then you release somthing like this! Damn you! Guess I'm in for the long haul.

Anyone know why suddenly post-resurection superman and KC superman are Evil?

And did anyone get the impression that this photo takes place on the Antimatter universes earth?

[hellokittykat]

Mary's eyes are closed though perhaps symbolizing that she is being tricked. Hopefully her eyes will be 'open' by the end of 'Countdown' and she'll be good again.

[Murrocko]

All I see is an elephant's vagina.

Hahahahaha, and I thought I was the only one.


So what I'm getting from this image is that Darkseid takes over earth for a bit, gets taken down but not before we lose a few good men in the process. With some of our heroes changing sides along the way (Martian Manhunter, Catwoman, Mary Marvel)

[General Grievous]

This Image is based on the last supper by Da Vinci.

Notice the pairs of 3.

but luthor on his own?

The Black superman with his back turned, is he the traitor?

.

[hellokittykat]

Catwoman may not change sides. Her hand is on her whip as if to defend herself.
Is Martian Manhunter looking at the Joker or maybe Luthor?

[Lex]

So Luthor is Jesus? It's so twisted that I like it. :)

[hellokittykat]

Here is 'The Last Supper':

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k93/lynxland/Leonardo_da_Vinci_281452-151929_-_T.jpg

[CMBMOOL]

Yet the weird thing of this picture is no mentioning of Sinsetro or the Anti-moniter return.

While it's weird to see even Luthor crying with blood on his hands over the fallen heroes. :(

It also weird to see the Peguin there with the villains, because I can't see him as a threat ?

Also Maybe that MM is nothing but an imposter Martian shape to look like Jonn.


With Joker talking to Catwoman, maybe he can help her the way Batman couldn't. :(

Also the fall of Mary Marvel, Billy was A FOOL to ignore her, now it going to come back and haunt him for the rest of his days. :(


Plus Kingdom Come Superman, Cyborg Superman, and Black suited Superman, could this be the Multiverse S-man gone bad. :(

That all I could get from this picture.

[Buried Alien]

Yet the weird thing of this picture is no mentioning of Sinsetro or the Anti-moniter return.

I think there are subtle hints of both. Look at KINGDOM COME Superman's right fist: that looks like the glow of a Sinestro power ring there.

And check out the skies above the burning city: red, just like during the First Crisis.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[stamen]

A broken green arrow. My god, what else could DC possibly do to this once noble hero?

[CMBMOOL]

A broken green arrow. My god, what else could DC possibly do to this once noble hero?

Married him off with his long time lover Black Canary ? :(


What it just a guess. :D

[Sean Walsh]

I think there are subtle hints of both. Look at KINGDOM COME Superman's right fist: that looks like the glow of a Sinestro power ring there.[/COLOR]

And if it's not -- well, Cyborg Superman (w/ Sinestro Corps symbol) is standin' right next to him.

[Nintendite]

Yet the weird thing of this picture is no mentioning of Sinsetro or the Anti-moniter return.

Well, the Sinestro thing has been addressed (Hank Henshaw has the Sinestro logo on him), but yeah, unless if you count what I STILL say is a image of the Anti-Monitor's dome above the infamous "Elephant's Vagina" on Darkseid's head, there really isn't much on him. The red skies are the first crisis, of course, but that doesn't specifically say Anti-Monitor.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

And check out the skies above the burning city: red, just like during the First Crisis.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

The background looks like a boom tube is open. Which would be a consistent detail when compared to the presumed role Darkseid will have in all of this, not to mention his statue and the presence of Desaad in that teaser.

[Buried Alien]

And most importantly, why in a villains-only pic?

The previous one shown earlier this year was all heroes.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Rattlehead]

So the Return of Superman Supes is evil because he had a bad haircut? I know mullets are a faux pas, but it doesn't make one evil.

[Buried Alien]

So the Return of Superman Supes is evil because he had a bad haircut? I know mullets are a faux pas, but it doesn't make one evil.

What's confusing is why mullet Superman is now an entirely separate person from the current mainstream Superman. I mean, didn't mullet Superman basically get a haircut just before he married Lois and resumed being plain old familiar Superman after that? It wasn't a whole different guy.

Unless we're seeing some kind of Multiverse hiccup here.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Sean Walsh]

The background looks like a boom tube is open. Which would be a consistent detail when compared to the presumed role Darkseid will have in all of this, not to mention his statue and the presence of Desaad in that teaser.

It looks more like a pulsating explosion of something in the far distance.

Maybe Oa blows up thanks to the Anti-Monitor and the results are red skies...?

[The Xenos]

Is this picture based on the Last supper?

the first was based on The sopranoes, second on the last supper?

cool:)

Holy crap. You're right.

Checking who's who here, especially Judas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo)

Wait.. so.. Lex Luthor is our savior and the only son of God? Well, he sure has a bad case of stigmata.

Martian Manhunter is a Judas.

Joker will become the first Pope. (Or so the Catholics say.)

Also, I think this image sucks because they went all Da Vinci Code and put Catwoman where John was. Bah. F--- Dan Brown.

A broken green arrow. My god, what else could DC possibly do to this once noble hero?

two words: Erectile dysfunction.

[CMBMOOL]

What's confusing is why mullet Superman is now an entirely separate person from the current mainstream Superman. I mean, didn't mullet Superman basically get a haircut just before he married Lois and resumed being plain old familiar Superman after that? It wasn't a whole different guy.

Unless we're seeing some kind of Multiverse hiccup here.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I have to admit so unless it's an alternate version of Superman or it could be Superman split up again by red K. :(

[BYC]

I missed the broken Darkseid statue.

Okay, I get it now. DC is doing a full relaunch. Ignore everything that has happened since 1938 :)

[Sean Walsh]

Martian Manhunter is a Judas.

Judas to the villains, or to the heroes?

Certainly makes sense if he's a Judas to the heroes, since him being there is still (for me at least) rather shocking...

So we assume he kills a hero (with that bloody knife or pointed stick) and thus earns his spot in this lineup.

[CMBMOOL]

.

Martian Manhunter is a Judas.



Martian Manhunter could be a red herring in the picture in order for us to see that there is another shape shifter in the DCU that is impersonating MM. :(

[brundlefly]

So Luthor is Jesus? It's so twisted that I like it. :)

Truth. I absolutely hate that %*#! Superfriends Disco-Collar Spandex abomination he's wearing, but the positioning of Lex in this "Last Supper" homage as Jesus Christ (complete with stigmata) has me so intrigued that I'll overlook it. This time. :evilsmile I'm assuming some kind of "JUSTICE"-esque scenario, with Lex warily allied with the DCU heroes against Darkseid (or whoever) since he sees himself as humanity's "savior?"

Martian Manhunter as the "Judas" who betrays him will only further cement Lex's long-held belief that aliens (such as Superman) cannot be trusted. Very interesting. And MM"s holding a freaking bloody dagger, which just screams "traitor," so his positioning in the picture is most likely not just random.

[beetheb]

I missed the broken Darkseid statue.

Okay, I get it now. DC is doing a full relaunch. Ignore everything that has happened since 1938 :)Not a bad idea....

The only problem with that is: there are too many hardcore fanboys who would whine about ditching past continuity...

[Kelson]

What's confusing is why mullet Superman is now an entirely separate person from the current mainstream Superman. I mean, didn't mullet Superman basically get a haircut just before he married Lois and resumed being plain old familiar Superman after that? It wasn't a whole different guy.

Unless we're seeing some kind of Multiverse hiccup here.

More likely he's supposed to represent something about the Death & Return of Superman story that isn't represented by the Cyborg Superman.

I'm guessing we'll be seeing another death and resurrection among the Super-family.

[sly_kat]

anyone else think thats hippy's shield behind granny goodness... and perhaps all these amazons who are supposedly dead are really hidden apokolips warriors....

[Nintendite]

Martian Manhunter could be a red herring in the picture in order for us to see that there is another shape shifter in the DCU that is impersonating MM. :(


The Martian Manhunter is a skrull!

Sorry, had to say it.

[NMoline]

From what i can tell it looks like our heroes are in trouble. We have elseworlds Batman costume on the ground. Superman's cape reminiscent of his battle with Doomsday lying on the ground, a broken Green Arrow.

Also what is everything else lying on the ground that Black Belt with epee? The flashlight? The Crime Bible?? The Red Box?

Also, my other guess is that they are all on Apokolips and that is the city int he background I may be mistaken but where else would one find a statue of Darkseid?

[Jack Zodiac]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/countdown/SecondTease/BadBoys.html

enjoy

Nope. Not worth it.

[LtMarvel]

Married him off with his long time lover Black Canary ? :(


What it just a guess. :D
So the broken arrow represents some sort of honeymoon injury?

[Buried Alien]

Also, my other guess is that they are all on Apokolips and that is the city int he background I may be mistaken but where else would one find a statue of Darkseid?

Those are 21st Century Earth-style buildings, though. Apokolipian architecture and design sense don't really look much like New York/Metropolis/Gotham.

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[David Atkins]

A few observations.

Is it any coincidence that, if the arrow weren't broken, it'd be pointed right at Luthor? Things said arrow could represent: dead/out-of-action Ollie (physically broken), dead/out-of-action Black Canary (emotionally broken), impotency.

Black Suited Superman = Back from the Dead Superman. Isn't Kal-L supposed to be returning sometime this year... ? Perhaps the Cyborg knows, or will learn, something about that (hence the apparent whisper/sharing of a secret).

Given where KC Supes is standing (and the color of the light on his hand), a Sinestro Corps connection seems likely. He doesn't appear to be wearing a ring, however. There seems to be some sort of design within the light-- that may prove interesting once a high res version of the picture is released.

I heard, somewhere, that Holly ran into some of the Amazons in Countdown #44 (I haven't picked up my copy yet-- been a busy week). While the shield behind Mary, Eclipso, and Granny seems to be discarded and forgotten, Catwoman could be looking in that direction.

With the Joker bending Catwoman's ear, he could be imparting terrible news (for laughs) or potentially useful information (for laughs). J'onn is breathing down his neck-- perhaps the Judas idea is a red herring and J'onn suddenly has a compelling reason to take the Joker out? Or perhaps J'onn simply knows whose arm to twist in pursuit of his own piece of potentially useful information. After all, didn't the Joker seem to be at least slightly 'in-the-know' in his first Countdown appearance?

The Trickster is wearing a costume not his own, and is in possession of the Pied Piper's flute. He appears to be leading Desaad and the Penguin to a distraught Lex Luthor. These guys (Desaad, Penguin) are probably about to get screwed over in a big way.

Lex Luthor: Grieving? Blood on his hands? Martyr? I have no idea.

Ehn... that's all for now. Gotta get ready for work. :rolleyes:

[blackphoenix]

NOOOOO....

I thought this old Superman was supposed to be the ressurected E-2 Superman? I don't want him to be evil, dammit!

If DC pulls any of this off, if evil reigns supreme over earth and all the heroes are slaughtered/driven underground, I will applaud such a major change. And yes, that black suited Superman is the one from Emperor Joker--more parrallel earth wackiness I would imagine.

[Trench]

Luthor needs help. (http://www.mobileditty.com/images/luthor_needs_help.jpg)

Sorry. A friend did that and I simply had to share.

[paulski]

A broken green arrow. My god, what else could DC possibly do to this once noble hero?

I'm guessing he cheats on Canary again and she breaks his knob. :D

[Spiffy]

So which Catwoman is that anyway?

Catwoman has been a "good guy" for a long time now. Even with the whole "she was magicked into it" reveal, and her subsequent use of murder as a way to get rid of a particularly nasty enemy, DC didn't really steer her much away from that. Again... which of the two recent Catwomen is that? Are we SURE its Selina Kyle and not Holly Robinson? And even if it IS Selina, if this whole mess is somehow turning into a Multiverse story, which Selina is it? If we've got all these Multiverse characters running around, like Kingdom Come Superman and Superboy Prime, who's to say what other alternates are running around? I mean maybe the Monitors have a point.

Well, at least Cassandra Cain isn't in that picture. A year ago they would have tossed her in there for the heck of it. Speaking of which... obviously Slade must have ZERO to do with Countdown, 'cause he's been such a widespread presense in various books in the past year he'd likely be included in a picture like this if he was.

BTW: Did Jean's boobs get bigger when she was Eclipso-ized? ;) They are HUGE in that picture.

And geez. Is it really appropriate to have The Trickster up there? Sure he's prominent in both the recent Flash stories AND now Countdown, but he's more a weasel and a scapegoat than Big Evil.

[Syphre Zero]

I hope Kal-L will be part of this too, but the picture in question isn't Kal-L. The shield on the chest is that of the KINGDOM COME Superman.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I don't think that's Kingdom Come Superman, but rather Future Superman from the first Superman/Batman arc (Public Enemies). That Superman (who wore the same shield (http://www.toymania.com/news/images/0606_dcd_pe1_sm.jpg)) came to the present via time-traveling Boom Tube to dispatch his present-day counterpart and deliver a warning about the shape of things to come. His cryptic remark, "You'll be surprised by the allegiances you have to make" was later clarified when Captain Atom was thrown into the same future following Major Force's detonation in downtown Tokyo. In that future, Earth was a barren wasteland with a population of 3: Superman, Metron, and Darkseid himself; Superman had allied himself with Darkseid for reasons that weren't clearly revealed. All Future Superman would reveal that some great disaster had befallen the Earth, a disaster of which he was practically the sole survivor.

That dark future was later shown at the end of Superman/Batman: Absolute Power. Once the Legion took control of their three rogue members and the timeline was righted, we see Future Superman's reality change from the barren wasteland to a home with Lois (and he was shown sporting a fine-looking mustache as well).

With all this in mind, it's not a long walk back to believe that the timeline has been altered again, and the bleak future that originally brought Future Superman to our time has been restored. This would fit the theme of a planetwide disaster and the presence of Darkseid.

Prior to Infinite Crisis, Superman/Batman has served very much as a vehicle for setting up future events within the DCU. The first arc showed us the aforementioned dark future and concluded with a mad, grinning Luthor stating, "there will be a reckoning.... a crisis." The second arc re-introduced Kara Zor-El to the DCU and set the major players of Apokolips at the forefront. Absolute Power displayed a number of varying timelines and wrapped with a return to Future Superman, while the fourth brought us back up to speed on the Multiverse and Emperor Joker. There was even a tidy bonus at the end of the fourth arc when Mxyzptlk tells Darkseid (there he is again!) that he has a major part to play, but he'll have to sit tight for a while, i.e. his part to play, while significant, would not occur until after Infinite Crisis.

The short answer here is that whatever impending disaster is preparing to strike the DC Universe, Future Superman's presence in the teaser picture is a reminder that the clues have been there for a couple years, waiting for us to put them together.

[Syphre Zero]

A quick follow-up to my previous post:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8710/whatsinhishandoq3.jpg

I turned up the highlight contrast on his hand, and I don't think that looks like a Sinestro ring. (Setting aside the fact that having Sinestro Corps Cyborg already in the picture seems a bit redundant.) Is it just my imagination, or could that outline be a chunk of gold kryptonite showing THROUGH his hand? If so, that only furthers the Superman/Batman setup connection, seeing as Killer Croc was seen stealing gold kryptonite in the first issue of the current arc.

[stamen]

two words: Erectile dysfunction.


You know after 40 hours straight with Dinah, I'm not sure any man could ever function normally again.

[KOSLOX]

So nobody mentioned Trickster Standing on superman's cape.

[stillanerd]

^^^^
Or that Penguin is somewhat standing on Batman's. I suspect we're supposed to take this to mean that since the Rogue's killed Bart Allen that the Trickster is attempting to appeal to the Penguin for help and suggests taking down the Big Three of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman before they get to them first. Perhaps, considering how Dessad is paired with them is because he'll give them the technology and weaponry to do this. Their actions then lead to whatever Luthor crying in agony with blood on his hands is supposed to symbolize, hence the reason why Trickster and Penguin hands are directed towards him.

[matt_hatyber]

I don't think that's Kingdom Come Superman, but rather Future Superman from the first Superman/Batman arc (Public Enemies). That Superman (who wore the same shield (http://www.toymania.com/news/images/0606_dcd_pe1_sm.jpg)) came to the present via time-traveling Boom Tube to dispatch his present-day counterpart and deliver a warning about the shape of things to come. His cryptic remark, "You'll be surprised by the allegiances you have to make" was later clarified when Captain Atom was thrown into the same future following Major Force's detonation in downtown Tokyo. In that future, Earth was a barren wasteland with a population of 3: Superman, Metron, and Darkseid himself; Superman had allied himself with Darkseid for reasons that weren't clearly revealed. All Future Superman would reveal that some great disaster had befallen the Earth, a disaster of which he was practically the sole survivor.

That dark future was later shown at the end of Superman/Batman: Absolute Power. Once the Legion took control of their three rogue members and the timeline was righted, we see Future Superman's reality change from the barren wasteland to a home with Lois (and he was shown sporting a fine-looking mustache as well).

With all this in mind, it's not a long walk back to believe that the timeline has been altered again, and the bleak future that originally brought Future Superman to our time has been restored. This would fit the theme of a planetwide disaster and the presence of Darkseid.

Prior to Infinite Crisis, Superman/Batman has served very much as a vehicle for setting up future events within the DCU. The first arc showed us the aforementioned dark future and concluded with a mad, grinning Luthor stating, "there will be a reckoning.... a crisis." The second arc re-introduced Kara Zor-El to the DCU and set the major players of Apokolips at the forefront. Absolute Power displayed a number of varying timelines and wrapped with a return to Future Superman, while the fourth brought us back up to speed on the Multiverse and Emperor Joker. There was even a tidy bonus at the end of the fourth arc when Mxyzptlk tells Darkseid (there he is again!) that he has a major part to play, but he'll have to sit tight for a while, i.e. his part to play, while significant, would not occur until after Infinite Crisis.

The short answer here is that whatever impending disaster is preparing to strike the DC Universe, Future Superman's presence in the teaser picture is a reminder that the clues have been there for a couple years, waiting for us to put them together.



its not that he has something to do with the big crisis, its that myx tells darksied that myx and darksied are going to team up for the crisis. he said it with be the fourth world enters the 5th dimention

[davids]

perhaps that is not post doomsday superman. After all he had no cape. Also the logo on the cape is diffrent. It also seems to be reflecting something. Even blown up i could not see clearly what it was. Could he be jonathon? Superman and wonder woman's son from the kingdom?

[NMoline]

You know what I love about these images is we still haven't figured out the first one and we are aldready on to a second one.

[MAK15]

A quick follow-up to my previous post:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8710/whatsinhishandoq3.jpg



thats the eradicator...the supes symbol and glowy fist gives him away.

[Sean Walsh]

Y'know, Granny and Desaad seem......rather pleased to be there. Consider they're standing amidst the rubble of a fallen statue of Darkseid, and considering their power grab attempts in the past......could it be that they're the ones who bring Darkseid down?!?

And something else that's been irking me -- what the bleep is the Penguin doing there anyway??

[MAK15]

And something else that's been irking me -- what the bleep is the Penguin doing there anyway??

remember when GOtham had that earthquake and penguin used the situation to beomce the most powerful crime lord?
well, big-freakin' incident rocks the DCU, Penguin's lookin to step up to bat again. Of course, with Trickster and Desaad there he might just have his own coalition of evil there.

[DonC]

Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but what makes anyone think this teaser will be any more decipherable than the last one?

[Michael P]

Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but what makes anyone think this teaser will be any more decipherable than the last one?

The eternal hope of the mark that he's really in on the con.

Along a similar vein: Are the half-assed attempts at referencing Da Vinci's Last Supper a dumb thing about this image, or the dumbest thing about this image?

[Buried Alien]

Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but what makes anyone think this teaser will be any more decipherable than the last one?

Well, you know: any puzzle that's too easy to solve isn't worth solving anyway. :)

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Syphre Zero]

thats the eradicator...the supes symbol and glowy fist gives him away.

I'm sticking to my guns on this one (my money says Future Supes with a fistful of gold K). However, something else occurred to me. Look at who's standing in that line:

Future Superman (holding gold K)
Sinestro Corps Cyborg
Reign-of-the-Superman Superman

Are these intended to be Future, Present, and Past representations of the Man of Steel's various non-standard incarnations? (Before the rabid fanbois start feverishly clicking Post Reply, I am well aware that Henshaw is only a Superman mimic, and was never the real steel deal.) I'm just tossing it out there as one possible interpretation of this fiendish little puzzle.

Bonus follow-up question: If that IS the point of picturing the three of them together, WHY?

[MAK15]

I'm sticking to my guns on this one (my money says Future Supes with a fistful of gold K). However, something else occurred to me. Look at who's standing in that line:

Future Superman (holding gold K)
Sinestro Corps Cyborg
Reign-of-the-Superman Superman

Are these intended to be Future, Present, and Past representations of the Man of Steel's various non-standard incarnations? (Before the rabid fanbois start feverishly clicking Post Reply, I am well aware that Henshaw is only a Superman mimic, and was never the real steel deal.) I'm just tossing it out there as one possible interpretation of this fiendish little puzzle.

Bonus follow-up question: If that IS the point of picturing the three of them together, WHY?

huh...the past,present future thing makes sense...
but also, if the first one is the eradicator (such a fun word to use) it might spell the Reign of the evil supermen...I mean, none of them look really friendly...
also, isnt there a button that reads "look to the skies?"

[MWGallaher]

I'll wager Lex is remorseful because he has triggered "The Great Disaster". Even a supervillain can regret bringing about the end of human civilization, right? The literal "blood on his hands" and, as was pointed out somewhere else, the pose reminiscent of Charlton Heston at the conclusion of "Planet of the Apes both point to Luthor being the guy that paves the way for the ascendency of other species to ruling the earth (not that that'll actually happen, I'm sure--however they implement The Great Disaster, it won't end up with Kamandi's world being the status quo in the ongoing DC Universe, surely).

[MAK15]

anyone here thinking that the Trickster(james jesse) is going to kill the Trickster(Alex Walker)? I mean, he's wearing his clothes....

[caboose]

I'll wager Lex is remorseful because he has triggered "The Great Disaster". Even a supervillain can regret bringing about the end of human civilization, right? The literal "blood on his hands" and, as was pointed out somewhere else, the pose reminiscent of Charlton Heston at the conclusion of "Planet of the Apes both point to Luthor being the guy that paves the way for the ascendency of other species to ruling the earth...

The irony of such an event would be too sweet.

I'm almost hoping that whatever Lex has induced or "Final Crisis" if you will, is the end of the current DCU and a hard reboot occurs. Superman began the DCU, Lex Luthor ended it. The bad guy won the war.

[Spiffy]

And something else that's been irking me -- what the bleep is the Penguin doing there anyway??
Hey, I asked the same about Catwoman. She makes even less sense.

[InfinityCorp]

I had alot of fun finding the Atom in the last picture, and really like everyones theorys and observations. Just not really sure what to make of the "Kingdom Come" Superman(His Hand) and "Return" Superman(The Whisper), but I found this to be alot of fun to investigate.

* Now I know I'm pushing it but I looked this this over in photoshop and the first thing I noticed was "KC" Superman's hand which has already been pointed out.
* The second thing I thought "Could be" something was the ripple effect in the background. It almost looks like there is someone looking through it at its origin.


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/InfinityCorp/Comics/Crisisseethru.jpg

[MAK15]

* The second thing I thought "Could be" something was the ripple effect in the background. It almost looks like there is someone looking through it at its origin.


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/InfinityCorp/Comics/Crisisseethru.jpg

you might have something there...but you might not.
It looks like...an eye?
sauron? (lol)

[Tumbido]

It's obviously the Crimson King's eye!

[The Xenos]

Hey! Look! I found DC's next Countdown teaser image!

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1097/carrotonastickwb1.png

Anyway, here's the characters superimposed over DaVinci's Last Supper, taken from Newsarama.
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9448/dclastsupperon9.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dclastsupperon9.jpg)

[Buried Alien]

Hey! Look! I found DC's next Countdown teaser image!

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1097/carrotonastickwb1.png



CARROT CRISIS?

I kind of like that title. It would be a keen title for a CAPTAIN CARROT story.

But I think the carrot should be Barry Allen.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Tumbido]

These "teasers" only confuse me. The end of the Sinestro Corps Special is yanking me by the nose, though.

[Tony Bang]

The eternal hope of the mark that he's really in on the con.

Along a similar vein: Are the half-assed attempts at referencing Da Vinci's Last Supper a dumb thing about this image, or the dumbest thing about this image?

No, nothing is quite as dumb as "dark" Mary Marvel and Superman.

[genesis]

Not sure if significant or not but future supes has his hand on cyborg supes's shoulder. And Martian Manhunter is looking directly at lex. There is a figure standing in the vortex in the sky and there is also a face in the glow of supe's fist. Oh and a black glove near the broken green arrow.

[The Xenos]

Someone just pointed out how Tricker is holding Piper's flute. Freud would have a field day.

[handOFfate]

Glad to see Penguin might be playing a part in future events. He's too iconic to have been on the sidelines for this long. He hasn't had a prominant role in a DC event since "No Man's Land".

[Magneto Rocks]

If the statue means a big defeat for Darkseiod after having don e NOTHING for years on end, I'm gonna be one unhappy fanboy!

[Nintendite]

Now, I may have lost what little credibility in guess-work I had when I did the whole "Anti-Monitor on Darkseid's head" thing (although I STILL say it's true), I kinda think the golden thing on KC Supes' hand looks almost like an Atomic Symbol. In other words, I'm guessing the "Search for Ray Palmer" will lead to the Kingdom Come universe.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The previous one shown earlier this year was all heroes.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I know, but why would Superman appear in a villains-only pic? And was that a mullet? Damn, I need to change my glasses formula.

Perhaps it's another universe Superman... :confused:

[OverMaster]

My best guess is this evil Martian Manhunter is the MM from the new Crime Syndicate, posing as J'onn for some reason.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I have to admit so unless it's an alternate version of Superman or it could be Superman split up again by red K. :(

I didn't know red K had this effect. I'll have to pick up my issue of Action Comics Annual #10 and reread it. Unless we're talking of Black Kryptonite, that is.

But interesting theory, nonetheless.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The Martian Manhunter is a skrull!

Sorry, had to say it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

A quick follow-up to my previous post:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8710/whatsinhishandoq3.jpg

I turned up the highlight contrast on his hand, and I don't think that looks like a Sinestro ring. (Setting aside the fact that having Sinestro Corps Cyborg already in the picture seems a bit redundant.) Is it just my imagination, or could that outline be a chunk of gold kryptonite showing THROUGH his hand? If so, that only furthers the Superman/Batman setup connection, seeing as Killer Croc was seen stealing gold kryptonite in the first issue of the current arc.

Doesn't it look like some sort of face? I could swear I distinguished eyes in that hand, as if the Parallax entity had taken over this Superman.

Hey... Wait a sec. It's obvious that he's Parallax now, but Kyle Rainer will be back as GL, otherwise he wouldn't appear in the Search for Ray Palmer mini.

[matt_hatyber]

well to all the people who think hes the eradicator. i dont think thats the eradicator.
because this is what he looks like now:

34839


and this is what he used to look like:

34840



so, he never looked like that.

[Taskmaster]

Now, I may have lost what little credibility in guess-work I had when I did the whole "Anti-Monitor on Darkseid's head" thing (although I STILL say it's true), I kinda think the golden thing on KC Supes' hand looks almost like an Atomic Symbol. In other words, I'm guessing the "Search for Ray Palmer" will lead to the Kingdom Come universe.

I'll second that one, that is the first thing I thought when I saw the image that the Atom was in that Superman's hand



you might have something there...but you might not.
It looks like...an eye?
sauron? (lol)

Ha ha, I figured it out it's................Solaris, from DC 1000000. A major bad guy like most on this image - check, ties in to a major event - check, and it pretty much looks just like him. I'll post an image as soon as I can find one of it

[MAK15]

well to all the people who think hes the eradicator. i dont think thats the eradicator.
because this is what he looks like now:

34839


and this is what he used to look like:

34840



so, he never looked like that.

true he never looked like that, but there's nothing stoppding him from dropping the red and black full body costume.

[Taskmaster]

Here we go, I give you Solaris, now tell me that isn't him in the background

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/RyHollywood/Solaris.jpg

[Nintendite]

Here we go, I give you Solaris, now tell me that isn't him in the background

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/RyHollywood/Solaris.jpg

If Solaris also shows up, it's official: The great crossover villains of the DCU are going to form a legion of Mega-Doom.

So, when do Imperiex, the Sun-Eater, Neron, Extant, those weird and incredibly stupid Bloodlines parasites, Krona and the Dominators show up?

[OverMaster]

well to all the people who think hes the eradicator. i dont think thats the eradicator.
because this is what he looks like now:

34839


and this is what he used to look like:

34840



so, he never looked like that.

I think Black Costume Superman comes from Superman as he was portrayed in the Superman Arkham storyline leading to Emperor Joker.

[Froggy]

I know, but why would Superman appear in a villains-only pic? And was that a mullet? Damn, I need to change my glasses formula.

Perhaps it's another universe Superman... :confused: probably,emp joker supes

Doesn't it look like some sort of face? I could swear I distinguished eyes in that hand, as if the Parallax entity had taken over this Superman.

Hey... Wait a sec. It's obvious that he's Parallax now, but Kyle Rainer will be back as GL, otherwise he wouldn't appear in the Search for Ray Palmer mini.

BINGO!

[Taskmaster]

Son considering we've got most of the big bads from the Crossovers showing up and I would rather do this than work i've complied a list of crossovers and the main bad guys from them, what do you guys think:

Crisis on Earth-One and Earth-Two -- Crime Champions
Crisis on Earth-Three -- Crime Syndicate of Amerika
Crisis on Earth-A -- Johnny Thunder of Earth-One
Crisis Between Earth-One and Earth-Two -- Anti-Matter Man
Super-Crisis of Earth-Two/Negative-Crisis on Earths One-Two -- Black Spheres
Unknown Soldier of Victory -- Iron Hand
Crisis on Earth-X -- German Nazi Party of Earth-X
Crisis in Eternity -- King Kull
Crisis in the 30th Century -- Mordru/Abnegazar, Rath & Ghast
Crisis from Yesterday/Crisis from Tomorrow -- Lord of Time
Crisis on New Genesis -- Darkseid
Crisis Above Earth-One -- Spirit King
Crisis in Limbo -- Ultra Humanite/Secret Society of Super-Villains
Crisis on Earth-Prime -- Per Degaton/Crime Syndicate
Crisis in the Thunderbolt Dimension -- Johnny Thunder of Earth-One
Familiy Crisis -- Commander/Crime Syndicate
Last Crisis of Earth-Two -- Mkanique/Commander Steel
Crisis on Infinite Earths -- Anti-Monitor
Legends -- Glorious Godfrey/Darkseid
Millennium -- Manhunters
Cosmic Odyssey -- Darkseid
Invasion! -- Dominators/Alien Alliance
Secret Crisis -- Psycho Pirate
Armageddon 2001 -- Monarch
War of the Gods -- Circe
Panic in the Sky -- Brainiac
Darkness Within -- Eclipso
Death of Superman -- Doomsday
Reign of the Supermen -- Cyborg Superman/Mongul
Knightfall -- Bane
Red Winter -- Sonar
Trinity -- the Triarch
Bloodlines -- Alien Parasites
Emerald Twilight -- Parallax
Zero Hour -- Extant/Parllax
Underworld Unleashed -- Neron
Final Night -- Sun-Eater
Genesis -- Darkseid
Millennium Giants -- Millennium Giants
DC One Million -- Solaris/Vandal Savage
Kingdom -- Gog
Crisis Times Five -- Lkz
No Man's Land -- Lex Luthor
Day of Judgement -- Asmodel/Neron
Sins of Youth -- Klarion bum bum bum the Witch Boy/the Agenda
Emperor Joker -- Joker
Our Worlds at War -- Imperiex
JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice -- Seven Deadly Sins
JLA/Avengers -- Krona
Indentity Crisis -- Jean Loring
Countdown to Infinite Crisis -- Max Lord
Villains United -- Society
Rann/Thanagar War -- Onimar Synn
OMAC Project -- OMAC/Brother Eye
Day of Vengeance -- Spectre/Eclipso (Jean Loring)
Infinity Crisis -- Alex Luthor/Superboy Prime
52 -- Mr. Mind
Amazons Attack -- Amazons

[Kid Seven]

Taskmaster, Thanks for that list. It's interesting in general, but also a great checklist of sorts for the Countdown image.

[OverMaster]

Son considering we've got most of the big bads from the Crossovers showing up and I would rather do this than work i've complied a list of crossovers and the main bad guys from them, what do you guys think:

Crisis on Earth-One and Earth-Two -- Crime Champions
Crisis on Earth-Three -- Crime Syndicate of Amerika
Crisis on Earth-A -- Johnny Thunder of Earth-One
Crisis Between Earth-One and Earth-Two -- Anti-Matter Man
Super-Crisis of Earth-Two/Negative-Crisis on Earths One-Two -- Black Spheres
Unknown Soldier of Victory -- Iron Hand
Crisis on Earth-X -- German Nazi Party of Earth-X
Crisis in Eternity -- King Kull
Crisis in the 30th Century -- Mordru/Abnegazar, Rath & Ghast
Crisis from Yesterday/Crisis from Tomorrow -- Lord of Time
Crisis on New Genesis -- Darkseid
Crisis Above Earth-One -- Spirit King
Crisis in Limbo -- Ultra Humanite/Secret Society of Super-Villains
Crisis on Earth-Prime -- Per Degaton/Crime Syndicate
Crisis in the Thunderbolt Dimension -- Johnny Thunder of Earth-One
Familiy Crisis -- Commander/Crime Syndicate
Last Crisis of Earth-Two -- Mkanique/Commander Steel
Crisis on Infinite Earths -- Anti-Monitor
Legends -- Glorious Godfrey/Darkseid
Millennium -- Manhunters
Cosmic Odyssey -- Darkseid
Invasion! -- Dominators/Alien Alliance
Secret Crisis -- Psycho Pirate
Armageddon 2001 -- Monarch
War of the Gods -- Circe
Panic in the Sky -- Brainiac
Darkness Within -- Eclipso
Death of Superman -- Doomsday
Reign of the Supermen -- Cyborg Superman/Mongul
Knightfall -- Bane
Red Winter -- Sonar
Trinity -- the Triarch
Bloodlines -- Alien Parasites
Emerald Twilight -- Parallax
Zero Hour -- Extant/Parllax
Underworld Unleashed -- Neron
Final Night -- Sun-Eater
Genesis -- Darkseid
Millennium Giants -- Millennium Giants
DC One Million -- Solaris/Vandal Savage
Kingdom -- Gog
Crisis Times Five -- Lkz
No Man's Land -- Lex Luthor
Day of Judgement -- Asmodel/Neron
Sins of Youth -- Klarion bum bum bum the Witch Boy/the Agenda
Emperor Joker -- Joker
Our Worlds at War -- Imperiex
JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice -- Seven Deadly Sins
JLA/Avengers -- Krona
Indentity Crisis -- Jean Loring
Countdown to Infinite Crisis -- Max Lord
Villains United -- Society
Rann/Thanagar War -- Onimar Synn
OMAC Project -- OMAC/Brother Eye
Day of Vengeance -- Spectre/Eclipso (Jean Loring)
Infinity Crisis -- Alex Luthor/Superboy Prime
52 -- Mr. Mind
Amazons Attack -- Amazons

You forgot Last Laugh (also ran by Joker) and maybe War Games (Black Mask) but great list anyway.

[BYC]

Son considering we've got most of the big bads from the Crossovers showing up and I would rather do this than work i've complied a list of crossovers and the main bad guys from them, what do you guys think:

Crisis on Earth-One and Earth-Two -- Crime Champions
Crisis on Earth-Three -- Crime Syndicate of Amerika
Crisis on Earth-A -- Johnny Thunder of Earth-One
Crisis Between Earth-One and Earth-Two -- Anti-Matter Man
Super-Crisis of Earth-Two/Negative-Crisis on Earths One-Two -- Black Spheres
Unknown Soldier of Victory -- Iron Hand
Crisis on Earth-X -- German Nazi Party of Earth-X
Crisis in Eternity -- King Kull
Crisis in the 30th Century -- Mordru/Abnegazar, Rath & Ghast
Crisis from Yesterday/Crisis from Tomorrow -- Lord of Time
Crisis on New Genesis -- Darkseid
Crisis Above Earth-One -- Spirit King
Crisis in Limbo -- Ultra Humanite/Secret Society of Super-Villains
Crisis on Earth-Prime -- Per Degaton/Crime Syndicate
Crisis in the Thunderbolt Dimension -- Johnny Thunder of Earth-One
Familiy Crisis -- Commander/Crime Syndicate
Last Crisis of Earth-Two -- Mkanique/Commander Steel
Crisis on Infinite Earths -- Anti-Monitor
Legends -- Glorious Godfrey/Darkseid
Millennium -- Manhunters
Cosmic Odyssey -- Darkseid
Invasion! -- Dominators/Alien Alliance
Secret Crisis -- Psycho Pirate
Armageddon 2001 -- Monarch
War of the Gods -- Circe
Panic in the Sky -- Brainiac
Darkness Within -- Eclipso
Death of Superman -- Doomsday
Reign of the Supermen -- Cyborg Superman/Mongul
Knightfall -- Bane
Red Winter -- Sonar
Trinity -- the Triarch
Bloodlines -- Alien Parasites
Emerald Twilight -- Parallax
Zero Hour -- Extant/Parllax
Underworld Unleashed -- Neron
Final Night -- Sun-Eater
Genesis -- Darkseid
Millennium Giants -- Millennium Giants
DC One Million -- Solaris/Vandal Savage
Kingdom -- Gog
Crisis Times Five -- Lkz
No Man's Land -- Lex Luthor
Day of Judgement -- Asmodel/Neron
Sins of Youth -- Klarion bum bum bum the Witch Boy/the Agenda
Emperor Joker -- Joker
Our Worlds at War -- Imperiex
JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice -- Seven Deadly Sins
JLA/Avengers -- Krona
Indentity Crisis -- Jean Loring
Countdown to Infinite Crisis -- Max Lord
Villains United -- Society
Rann/Thanagar War -- Onimar Synn
OMAC Project -- OMAC/Brother Eye
Day of Vengeance -- Spectre/Eclipso (Jean Loring)
Infinity Crisis -- Alex Luthor/Superboy Prime
52 -- Mr. Mind
Amazons Attack -- Amazons
This can only end one way.

Lots of sex.

[Kid Seven]

Oh, Bloodlines....

Where's a good Superb-.... Ow!.... SuperMAN punch when you need it.

;)

[Lex]

Judas to the villains, or to the heroes?
Interesting thought. Could J'onn be going undercover as a villain to gain their trust?

[Lex]

Here we go, I give you Solaris, now tell me that isn't him in the background

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/RyHollywood/Solaris.jpg
I would love to see Solaris included. He's one of my favorite Grant Morrison creations.

[Nintendite]

The larger, HI-RES picture is now up on Newsarama. I quickly pulled up my cropping tool and have grabbed a few pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Supesandatom.jpg

KC Superman and his hand. It is DEFINITELY the Atom. Also, it's a bit harder to see, but Supes seems to have red eyes (read: Heat Vision). So maybe the Kingdom Come-verse isn't exactly happy that Ray Palmer is there.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Monarch.jpg
This is the eye of the weird wormhole thing. It kinda looks like Monarch's head if you ask me, but then again......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/antimonitormaybe.jpg
I STILL say that the weird dust/shadow/charring mark above the wound on the fallen Darkseid looks like the Anti-Monitors head.


BTW, I don't have a picture of it, but the Joker has a "Joy-Buzzer" on the hand he's about to put on Catwoman's shoulder.

[Taskmaster]

You forgot Last Laugh (also ran by Joker) and maybe War Games (Black Mask) but great list anyway.


Yeah I thought about Last Laugh afterwards, but totally forgot War Games, thanks

[Kid Seven]

Okay, I'm gonna pretend I'm Dan DiDio (it's scary, don't try it) and be really overly metaphorical. I think that the placement of Martian Manhunter's knife is very important. We can see it coming right between Eclipso and Black Mary. I think Jonn's playing the mole. His other hand is between Joker and Catwoman. I don't think these are coincidences.

[Lex]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/antimonitormaybe.jpg
I STILL say that the weird dust/shadow/charring mark above the wound on the fallen Darkseid looks like the Anti-Monitors head.
After chuckling at the elephant vagina jokes, I decided to give you the benifit of the doubt and try to find what you're seeing.

But I still don't see it. The shading kinda looks like a head, but I think it's just shading. Part of Ethan Van Sciver's normal art style.

[Kid Seven]

I really don't see it either, I've gotta say...

[Nintendite]

Yeah, I'm thinking I was just looking too hard. I blame Lost. It did this to me.

[Kid Seven]

Yeah, I'm thinking I was just looking too hard. I blame Lost. It did this to me.

I think that this might be Dan DiDio's problem too. Seriously, I swear half the stuff that was suppousedly in the first teaser he just made up on the spot.

"The Joker is smiling, like the happy face in Watchmen. Watchmen was a good comic, and Joker was referencing this, meaning that this book which isn't started yet is a good comic. Which means that it is."

[Flash's Lightning]

I think that this might be Dan DiDio's problem too. Seriously, I swear half the stuff that was suppousedly in the first teaser he just made up on the spot.

"The Joker is smiling, like the happy face in Watchmen. Watchmen was a good comic, and Joker was referencing this, meaning that this book which isn't started yet is a good comic. Which means that it is."

I loved what someone said on Newsarama.

d00gZ posted:
NRAMA: "So what's with the ocean in the distance?"
DIDIO: "Oh, that's a sea."
NRAMA: "A sea?"
DIDIO: "Yeah, a sea. A C."
NRAMA: "A C?"
DIDIO: "Yes, a C... for Catwoman."

[David Atkins]

I wasn't as sure as everyone else that it was a whisper, but Black Suited Superman is defiantely bending the Cyborg's ear about something. I'm still liking my 'Back from the Dead'/Kal-L speculation from earlier in the thread.

Nice to see that I was right about there being some kind of design in KC Supes' hand. The Atom's logo, huh? Given the positioning of KC Supes, and the heat vision, and the fact that there seems to be a connection between the Atom and the Cyborg via the Source Wall (it was there, after all, where the 'RAY PALMER' message first appeared in Countdown), I'm guessing that the Cyborg is playing things behind the scenes to insure that Ray Palmer is never found and that Earth 22 (Kingdom Come) plays into this somehow.

More on the Trickster: Is he playing the role of a Pied Piper for Desaad and Penguin, leading (offering? presenting?) them to something they want or may want? Desaad is smiling and seems taken in. The Penguin seems to be looking intently at the Trickster's face.

I agree with what another poster said, in observing and speculating on the positioing of J'onn's hands. Notice, the knife is drawn deliberately to point at Eclipso (or between Eclipso and Mary): if it were shaped normally, the point would be above Eclipso's head.

The Joker has Catwoman looking in one direction, and (as another poster pointed out) is about to slap a joy buzzer on her from the other. She seems to be on guard, however, with one hand on her weapon (whip?) and the other twisted and claw-like.

I'm still liking my previous observation concerning the green arrow (how it would be pointed at Luthor were it not broken), as I'm positive that that is going to be significant in some way.

[DonC]

Here we go, I give you Solaris, now tell me that isn't him in the background

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/RyHollywood/Solaris.jpg


That isn't it (I doubt it's a he) in the background. It looks like your normal, the-sky-is-falling background to me.

[Kid Seven]

See, I'm definitely seeing an eye in that picture.

[The Xenos]

Yeah I thought about Last Laugh afterwards, but totally forgot War Games, thanks

Don't feel bad. Most of us try to forget it anyway.


I think that this might be Dan DiDio's problem too. Seriously, I swear half the stuff that was suppousedly in the first teaser he just made up on the spot.

"The Joker is smiling, like the happy face in Watchmen. Watchmen was a good comic, and Joker was referencing this, meaning that this book which isn't started yet is a good comic. Which means that it is."


d00gZ posted:
NRAMA: "So what's with the ocean in the distance?"
DIDIO: "Oh, that's a sea."
NRAMA: "A sea?"
DIDIO: "Yeah, a sea. A C."
NRAMA: "A C?"
DIDIO: "Yes, a C... for Catwoman."

HA! Holy bull----, Batman! They are like 60s Riddler puzzles solved in the most ridiculous ways. It really is almost that bad, isn't it?

Also... Needs more cowbell.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3765/luthorcountdownguitargryw5.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luthorcountdownguitargryw5.jpg)

[Erebus]

Hmm, Catwoman's listening to what Joker's got to say, indicating a possible return to the dark side by Holly/Selina. But Joker's clearly got a joybuzzer in his hand, so I'm predicting a betrayal.

[Kirayoshi]

Trickster: "Hey, Lex is doing big arms. Why are you doing big arms?"
Lex: "I just felt like doing big arms."
Joker: "I want to do big arms too."
Cyborg Superman: "Me too, I wanna do big arms."
Lex: "Look, we can't all do big arms, we'll just look like a squadron of spitfires!"

[OverMaster]

Don't feel bad. Most of us try to forget it anyway.

Oh, I remembered a few more, Batman-related. Contagion and Legacy (baddie: Ra's al Ghul) and Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive (baddies: Luthor, David Cain). But we probably are stretching it thin already.

[JimmyDee]

Got to say, not all that impressed by that image. At least its composition. The message is fine, it just, well, it doesn't look all that good. I had problems with the first image, this one is not as good as that one.

[Phoney Bone]

And geez. Is it really appropriate to have The Trickster up there? Sure he's prominent in both the recent Flash stories AND now Countdown, but he's more a weasel and a scapegoat than Big Evil.

Trickster is also the one who caused the defeat of Neron in "Underworld Unleashed" (I thought the object he was holding was one of Neron's candles when I first saw the image). Desaad and Penguin are opportunistic scavengers. Trickster is trying to make them the marks in his own angle.

[Phoney Bone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Supesandatom.jpg
KC Superman and his hand. It is DEFINITELY the Atom. Also, it's a bit harder to see, but Supes seems to have red eyes (read: Heat Vision). So maybe the Kingdom Come-verse isn't exactly happy that Ray Palmer is there.


What color were the eyes of the Tangent Atom (the Tangent Universe's "Superman")?

[matt_hatyber]

The larger, HI-RES picture is now up on Newsarama. I quickly pulled up my cropping tool and have grabbed a few pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Supesandatom.jpg

KC Superman and his hand. It is DEFINITELY the Atom. Also, it's a bit harder to see, but Supes seems to have red eyes (read: Heat Vision). So maybe the Kingdom Come-verse isn't exactly happy that Ray Palmer is there.


no offense he has no red eyes there. hes eyes are closed. not red.

[InfinityCorp]

Hmmm. Put the image in photoshop. Switched it to actual pixels. Zoomed 3 times. His eyes do not look closed and they do indeed look red to me.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/InfinityCorp/Comics/SuesRed2.jpg

[BYC]

Are we sure that's the Atom and not let's say...the Anti-Life Equation? Just a theory.

[LtMarvel]

Why do I recall that Darkseid already has the ALE?

[Froggy]

Why do I recall that Darkseid already has the ALE?

seven soldiers!

[David Atkins]

You know, if Didio's comments concerning 'the ground = death' from the first teaser hold true, then we have a whole slew of characters in danger here (Granny, Mary, Eclipso, Luthor, Trickster, Desaad, Penguin.'

The Trickster, though, is standing on Superman's cape.

…is that a Boom Tube up there…?


Another comment Didio made in the interview concerning the first teaser, which was immediately overlooked as the interviewer zeroed in on the 'parent issues' comment concerning Superman and Wonder Woman. I wonder if this means that the heroes 'looking up' are looking at a boom tube, or is an early reference to the sky in the second picture?

Probably the former. The sky in the second doesn't actually look like a boom tube to me, but I enjoy speculating (obviously, as this is my third post in this thread :p ).

[Syphre Zero]

The larger, HI-RES picture is now up on Newsarama. I quickly pulled up my cropping tool and have grabbed a few pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gamingboy/Supesandatom.jpg
.
Looks like I was wrong about the gold kryptonite. Stupid low-res teaser pics.

Are we sure that's the Atom and not let's say...the Anti-Life Equation? Just a theory.

Curiouser and curiouser. The Atom would certainly be the easy answer, but the Anti-Life Equation would indicate another tie between Black Shield Superman and Darkseid. (I still think that's Future Superman, not Kingdom Come Superman, but I'll compromise by calling him Black Shield for now).

Why do I recall that Darkseid already has the ALE?
Darkseid gained control of the Anti-Life Equation during Seven Soldiers, which I believe is non-canon. (I didn't read it and I'm willing to stand corrected on that). However, the Equation WAS brought up during... Emperor Joker yet again! Why do so many parts of this keep pointing back to Emperor Joker?

[NMoline]

I just realized I predicted that Rayner was joining Sinsestro Corps. well before the reveal. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=178373

This is what I posted about a month ago talking about the first Countdown teaser. I am pretty happy because I never get predictions correct.



NMoline
Junior Member

"Maybe it's just me but is Kyle's ring yellow? Could he be joining the Sinestro Corps?"

[longshot7]

What's Emperor Joker - can someone summarize it for me and tell me if it's available in tpb? thx!

[Phoney Bone]

I can sum up the basic, bare-bones plot of "Emperor Joker" to a point.


Mr. Mxyzptlk decides to give the Joker 1% of his cosmic powers as a goof. Tricked by the Joker into revealing his secret name, Mxyzptlk is forced to surrender 99.9% instead. Chaos ensues. The Joker remakes the world in his image where Superman and Batman are the world's most dangerous villians. All of the villians in DC titles that month become Jokerized versions of themselves.

After that, I don't know. I never finished reading the story. I think Nightwing "kills" Joker or something.

[The Xenos]

All of the villians in DC titles that month become Jokerized versions of themselves.

Nope. That was another crossover. Joker's Last Laugh where Joker mistakingly thought he was dying and wanted to go out with a bang. It was pretty crummy. Though the rest of the stuff sounded right.

[David Atkins]

Nope. That was another crossover. Joker's Last Laugh where Joker mistakingly thought he was dying and wanted to go out with a bang. It was pretty crummy.

Understatement of the year. This was the storyline that gave us a Doomsday whom was so smart, his knuckle-spurs broke on Superman's chest. :rolleyes:

[Taskmaster]

I can sum up the basic, bare-bones plot of "Emperor Joker" to a point.


Mr. Mxyzptlk decides to give the Joker 1% of his cosmic powers as a goof. Tricked by the Joker into revealing his secret name, Mxyzptlk is forced to surrender 99.9% instead. Chaos ensues. The Joker remakes the world in his image where Superman and Batman are the world's most dangerous villians. All of the villians in DC titles that month become Jokerized versions of themselves.

After that, I don't know. I never finished reading the story. I think Nightwing "kills" Joker or something.

YOu got two diffent stories mixed up here. Emperor Joker involved the first half of your summary with the Mr. Mxy stuff, but it was only in the Superman comics and involved Superman, Batman, Superboy, Steel, Mxy and Supergirl (with a messed up version of the JLA) trying to stop Joker and his JLA (thats where we got the current Bizarro and Ignition from) and stop the Joker. It's an awesome story that is available on a recently released trade

THe second half of your summary is Last Laugh, where Joker, thinking he's dying due to a bad joke, decides to infect half the DCU with a Joker virus and a horrible story follows (other than his killing Multi-Man multiple times) and ends with Nightwing nearly killing Joker, but stopping at the last second

[diablo7]

could martian manhunter be a white martian in disguise and the blood is from the original mm....i've been thinking lately that dc and marvel should do a complete reboot and start over....bring all the characters back to the way they were when they started...i.e. superman and lois not married...barry allen as the flash and so forth...

[Grazzt]

You know, is it possible that we're being a bit pretentious making a Last Supper comparison? Isn't it possible (and more likely, given the way editorial seems to love the retro stuff) that this is simply a tribute to the beginning of the Challenge of the Superfriends intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MCrnKZ3yf0). We have 13 villains, gathered from remote galaxies (and universes), divided into four groups of three and Lex on his own. Even the fallen statue of Darkseid resembles the Legion of Doom's base.

[LtMarvel]

Well, both have 13, whose origions as an unlucky number date back to the number of Christ's disciples. The 13th betrayed him, hence it is an unlucky number.

[Phoney Bone]

YOu got two diffent stories mixed up here. Emperor Joker involved the first half of your summary with the Mr. Mxy stuff, but it was only in the Superman comics and involved Superman, Batman, Superboy, Steel, Mxy and Supergirl (with a messed up version of the JLA) trying to stop Joker and his JLA (thats where we got the current Bizarro and Ignition from) and stop the Joker. It's an awesome story that is available on a recently released trade

THe second half of your summary is Last Laugh, where Joker, thinking he's dying due to a bad joke, decides to infect half the DCU with a Joker virus and a horrible story follows (other than his killing Multi-Man multiple times) and ends with Nightwing nearly killing Joker, but stopping at the last second



I don't know why I've been thinking these were the same story. Probably because I only half-glanced at anything related to Superman and/or Batman for quite a few years until OYL.

[Phoney Bone]

You know, is it possible that we're being a bit pretentious making a Last Supper comparison? Isn't it possible (and more likely, given the way editorial seems to love the retro stuff) that this is simply a tribute to the beginning of the Challenge of the Superfriends intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MCrnKZ3yf0). We have 13 villains, gathered from remote galaxies (and universes), divided into four groups of three and Lex on his own. Even the fallen statue of Darkseid resembles the Legion of Doom's base.

Although I tend to agree with the "Last Supper" analogy... I like this much better. Therefore, that is the one I shall use.

In fact, if Luthor were standing it would be the EXACT same pose from the Superfriends intro.

[The Xenos]

Yet they also have poses that match Da Vinci's last supper. That's quite blatant.

[Grazzt]

Yet they also have poses that match Da Vinci's last supper. That's quite blatant.

Looking it over again, the only groups that really match the poses are the one on the far right (Trickster, Penguin, and Desaad), and the one on the upper left (Martian Manhunter, Joker, and Catwoman). The girls on the far left in particular don't seem to even care about the fact that Luthor is in the picture.

Still, I guess that not completely ripping off a picture doesn't mean it's not a homage. Either that or the artist started out with something different in mind (and did the two groups that don't have their poses taken from the Last Supper), and then switched it to a Last Supper homage for the last two groups and Luthor (and also forgot the fact that Judas wasn't the one carrying the knife).

[MAK15]

okay, so a Martian Manhunter theory:

John is gunna be in the newest outsider's team, led by his friend Batman. He might be there, close to the Joker to act as a pair of eyes and ears, spying on the clown prince of crime. He might also kill a few people while under the joker's 'employ', whihc might be represented by the bloody knife.

or, he's been taken over by Mr. Mind. remember, J'onn was taken over by one telepath (despero) prolly means it could happen again.

[LtMarvel]

If this is the last supper, then who is the villian Judas? Who has the Judas pose?

[Grazzt]

If this is the last supper, then who is the villian Judas? Who has the Judas pose?

Martian Manhunter is in Judas' position, but I don't think his pose matches Judas'.

Here's (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3712415.html?thread=133738911#t133738911) an analysis of which villain is which apostle.

[4thHorseman]

Could the Luthor thing be him upset over the loss of his son? I just remember in that issue 0 of Justice League where it's him fighting WW, Bats, and Supes and him upset about "them" killing his son.

[Titanium]

Martian Manhunter, Joker, Catwoman.

MM and Catwoman are or will be Outsiders. Joker's a villain, Catwoman was a villain. Joker and Catwoman would be the top bat villains. Joker trying to bring Catwoman back to the fold? J'onn's holding a bloody dagger with which to stab the Joker in the back, or he's already betrayed someone due to the blood on the knife. Betray the Outsiders and go to whatever Joker is trying to do? The Outsiders as villains, it would make sense for them to appear as villains by teaming with the greatest villain of all, essentially stabbing their friend Batman in the back by siding with the mad man.

The sky is red and destruction is coming.

That's some pretty kirby-esque red sky there.


The Supermen.

Kingdom Come supes, Cyborg Supes, another Earth's recently revived Supes? Black suited superman whispering to Hank, trying to tell him a secret that he doesnt look pleased to recieve? Something about the Sinestro Corps? Something to touch on the fact Cyborg Superman came around the time Clark Kent was wearing that suit?

KC Superman looking away, avoiding the knowledge Black Suit Superman is giving, focusing on his hand. A SC ring? The viral Sinestro? Gold Kryptonite? Super charge solar energy? The atom?


Desaad, Trickster 2, Penguin.

Standing over the cape, cowl, and sword. Trickster's got a pipe with him, is he looking for Piper/trickster? Suicide Squad with a greying Penguin? Desaad watching over them like he's influencing what they're doing. Is penguin trying to convince Trickster to stay out of the villain game while Desaad represents Darkseid coming and whatever that means for the villains. Or Trickster could be looking for piper/trick 1, and going to Penguin for help and Desaad as well? I notice he's on the superman cape as well, a new choice for hero to bug?

Trickster is also pointed at Luthor. Who's done something bad he regrets.

Lex Luthor bleeding at the hands or blood on the hands? Something to do with Injustice League or perhaps a deal with the devil, Darkseid? A boomtube generator or possibly a phantom zone projector to his left, magic book at his right? Combined science and magic after all the years and it went bad?

Next to him are the broken skiis of the black racer and a mother box. Sitting below Eclipso holding Mary Marvel after corrupting her. With Granny Goodness looking on in glee. With hippolyta's shield behind her, on the ground representing her inevitable death in Amazons Attack and possibly that Granny was behind the amazon attack.

Broken statue of Darkseid. Is there a chance Apokolips residents actually betrayed Darkseid and have come under a new ruler who wants to destroy earth flat out? Note that the groupings have the Apokolips big wigs watching them and MM and KC Superman seem to be watching over the others or could be said to be watching over them. Death of the New Gods, is it limited to just New Genesis or will Apokolips suffer some deaths too?


Green Arrow's diamond arrow, the ring or wedding will have problems.


I feel like the positions matching the last supper would be a misdirection somehow though.


thinking back now, WWMMD? what would martian manhunter do? Joker with Jimmy's stuff? Jokester is Jimmy Olsen probably. seduction of the innocent? With black adam's powers is Mary innocent now? Unto man shall come.. a great disaster? how big of a disaster comes form a dead Darkseid? Darkseid rules? Rules made by Darkseid in case of his death?

[BYC]

Maybe this is easier than we thought.

Maybe Joey Q is taking over DC.

:D

[MAK15]

Maybe this is easier than we thought.

Maybe Joey Q is taking over DC.

:D

wouldnt the characters be rejoicing instead of crying/weeping?

[Rolltideguy77]

Is it coincidence that Mary Marvel's lightening is going straight through the DC logo? Also Penguin's hand seems like it is doing something awkward. I dunno, maybe I am digging too deep.

[BaconRobotChampion]

wouldnt the characters be rejoicing instead of crying/weeping?

joe q is taking over DC the characters are crying because they found out they are all skrulls.

[Rolltideguy77]

Didn't one time the future Teen Titans come back and warn against some impending disaster? They are set to come back (to/from) the future, no pun intended. Would they have anythign to do with this? Could one of the Supermen be one of them?

[MAK15]

joe q is taking over DC the characters are crying because they found out they are all skrulls.

nah, Bendis has no interest in making the characters aliens.
Hell prolly fling Green arrow into the engine of an alien airship tho with a rocket pack on.

[jadehorde]

More likely he's supposed to represent something about the Death & Return of Superman story that isn't represented by the Cyborg Superman.

I'm guessing we'll be seeing another death and resurrection among the Super-family.

Maybe he's Eradicator?

[Rolltideguy77]

Connor maybe?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I hope not. Killing characters to bring them back later is something that's getting old already.

[TheCrisisKid]

wouldn't it be messed up if Doomsday joined the Anti-Monitor's team?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Not at all. But only if the writers do something that makes Doomsday a character worthy of keeping an eye on again.

[TheCrisisKid]

I just thought that we haven't seen a torn superman cape and the black suited superman since superman's battle with doomsday. It might be a hint that doomsday is coming back.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Yeah, but what does black-suited Superman's presence in that pic mean, EXACTLY? I mean, perhaps it's a Superman from a universe we don't know yet? On top of that, there's the KC Superman. In a villains-only pic...

[diablo7]

isn't that superman from batman beyond

[matt_hatyber]

well, in batman/superman we discovery that daseed hasb been goin to earth to check on things, we also figure out that darksied has gotten clumsy( because he fell walking down stairs). and when he gets up he holds his stomach like somthing is wrong with it. i think maybe that darksied is getting weaker because he has gotten sick. Maybe daseed is trying to kill him so he can take over apocalypse. what you think of this?


and know we know why penguin is in the picture he is going to help trickster and pipper do stuff.

[trickster]

Y'know, Granny and Desaad seem......rather pleased to be there. Consider they're standing amidst the rubble of a fallen statue of Darkseid, and considering their power grab attempts in the past......could it be that they're the ones who bring Darkseid down?!?




Darkseid did stumble recently. Which book was it in?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Darkseid did stumble recently. Which book was it in?

According to Jim Starlin, all of the New Gods will die. All of them.

[Sean Walsh]

Darkseid did stumble recently. Which book was it in?

SUPERMAN/BATMAN.

Some fellow Fourth Worlders were convinced it might be some weird dream sequence, but it didn't read like one.

Then again, I have no idea what the bleep the continuity of that book has been since IC (weird Despero story that everyone apparently hated; Metal Men rebooted for no reason whatsoever; and now a buncha dead & out of canon New Gods apparently returning), so I don't mind ignoring it completely...

[glennsim]

SUPERMAN/BATMAN.

Some fellow Fourth Worlders were convinced it might be some weird dream sequence, but it didn't read like one.

Then again, I have no idea what the bleep the continuity of that book has been since IC (weird Despero story that everyone apparently hated; Metal Men rebooted for no reason whatsoever; and now a buncha dead & out of canon New Gods apparently returning), so I don't mind ignoring it completely...

I read an interview with Matt Idelson over at SupermanHomePage where he said:

Matt: The long and the short of Superman/Batman is that it isn't really, entirely set in continuity. It runs very closely to what's going on in the DCU at a given moment, but without the restrictions an in-continuity book would have.

So basically, if it's something they want to have in continuity, it is, but if it's not, it's not...

[matt_hatyber]

some one has probally said this but i might as well say it just in case,


we finally know why eaerth is destoryed and why the sky is red, its becasue of sinestro.

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?s=31&cm=8133

doesnt that kinda look like the first teaser image. the statue of liberty on the ground, the sky red, and buildings in flame.

[lovefist911]

I tried to get a pic of this but couldn't find one. For those that haven't seen it, the ad was toward the end of Countdown 32 saying "And evil shall inherit the earth".

From left to right, it features Granny Goodness, Mary Marvel, Eclipso, Martian Manhunter, Joker, Catwoman, Lex Luthor (at center), KC Superman (holding what looks like could be Ray Palmer), Cyborge Superman, Solor Suit Superman, Trickster, Desaad, and Penguin. At center looks to be a big statue head of Darseid, but I could be wrong.

If anyone finds this pic please put it up for all to see.

[4thHorseman]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5862/bigboyxp9.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigboyxp9.jpg)

Going from my guesses:

-Martian Manhunter kills someone. Possibly a hero...

-We know Eclipso is getting a hold of Mary Marvel, but with Granny Goodness there, perhaps she expects Mary to become leader of the furies? especially since we find out Darkseid is the one using Eclipso this time from Countdown to Mystery . Along with the shield in the background of Granny, from Amazon Attacks

-Can't remember what all the stuff on the ground was, but I think one had to do with the New Gods...so death of the New Gods there

-Green Arrow on the ground broken seems to go along with Ollie dying in the Wedding Special from this week

-Luthor looks like he just lost someone. Going from the JLA 0 special, i say he tries to bring Conner back and fails....maybe

-Trickster and Piper: one of them is supposed to die. Trickster seems to be alive holding Piper's flute. Piper may bite it

-Desaad looks to have plans with Trickster, possibly the Penguin as well (Salvation Run possibly?)

-Cyborg Superman attacks the city in the background in Sinestro Corps?

-Perhaps Ray Palmer is hiding in the Kingdom Come universe?

-Darkseid statue laying on ground: perhaps an overthrow?

-Solar Suit Superman...not sure. Maybe from a different Earth?

-Joker may be trying to persuade Catwoman to be a villain again? I dunno...

[Hawkman]

Well, there was already a post that discussed this ad pretty thoroughly right here, (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=181041) along with the actual picture in question. But it's been a while, and more people have probably been exposed to it now thanks to it actually appearing in print, so no harm done in my book.

As for speculating: I really don't have any original thoughts. I was never good at this Da Vinci Code stuff; always found it kind of pretentious, myself. DiDio's "one foot here and one foot there" explanation for the first teaser did little for me but to cause frequent eye rolling.

[botch]

didn't that pic turn up online about 2 months ago?

[4thHorseman]

didn't that pic turn up online about 2 months ago?


Yeah. They had both the heroes and villains countdown teaser up like two months before they started showing in the books.

[lovefist911]

Damn, I missed it back then.

[LordEd1976]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5862/bigboyxp9.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigboyxp9.jpg)

Going from my guesses:

-Martian Manhunter kills someone. Possibly a hero...

-We know Eclipso is getting a hold of Mary Marvel, but with Granny Goodness there, perhaps she expects Mary to become leader of the furies? especially since we find out Darkseid is the one using Eclipso this time from Countdown to Mystery . Along with the shield in the background of Granny, from Amazon Attacks

-Can't remember what all the stuff on the ground was, but I think one had to do with the New Gods...so death of the New Gods there

-Green Arrow on the ground broken seems to go along with Ollie dying in the Wedding Special from this week

-Luthor looks like he just lost someone. Going from the JLA 0 special, i say he tries to bring Conner back and fails....maybe

-Trickster and Piper: one of them is supposed to die. Trickster seems to be alive holding Piper's flute. Pipe