how wwH will end....speculation

[juggalotus]

NObody will defeat the hulk.
The hulk will stop himself when it all comes out about the skrull infiltration,
and the fact that reed is a skrull and he planted the bomb on the ship to piss hulk off, and manipulate him into the WWH. It was all a skrull plan of divide then conquer.

[Morw]

I think he will get his revenge, and be that unstoppbebol monster he is supposed to be, Might loose the bugs and then leave for that planet he was supposed to be sent to with those who wants to join him. A new planet Hulk wich would start of the third part of the Hulk series. And make it possibol for Hulk to return to earth if there is need for him and yet keep him away from other major eventes where his mere presence would shift the sides. Its the Time for King Hulk, and on such planet booth Banner and Hulk can live in peace. Becoming the two kings in one. One for peacetime and one for war. Ofcourse skrull and kree will want to claim the planet. Galactus might want to eat it etc. so there is defently time for war and a whole new Hulk world to explore.

I can see his planet become a sactury for many of the refugies in space now due to the annahilition series. Wich will mean the the planet will quickly become populated, giving Hulk much to worry about. And many to smash!

[DannyV_El_Acme]

I think he will get his revenge, and be that unstoppbebol monster he is supposed to be, Might loose the bugs and then leave for that planet he was supposed to be sent to with those who wants to join him. A new planet Hulk wich would start of the third part of the Hulk series. And make it possibol for Hulk to return to earth if there is need for him and yet keep him away from other major eventes where his mere presence would shift the sides. Its the Time for King Hulk, and on such planet booth Banner and Hulk can live in peace. Becoming the two kings in one. One for peacetime and one for war. Ofcourse skrull and kree will want to claim the planet. Galactus might want to eat it etc. so there is defently time for war and a whole new Hulk world to explore.

I can see his planet become a sactury for many of the refugies in space now due to the annahilition series. Wich will mean the the planet will quickly become populated, giving Hulk much to worry about. And many to smash!

That is genuinely a good idea, but I think it's too "peaceful" an ending :p Besides, I think the planet would already be populated anyway when he arrives. As you said, Annihilation has left many people homeless, I think they scramble to any nearby planet that's inhabitable.

[Morw]

yes it would be peacefule but still leave a sour taste as his wife is still dead. He will be a alone yet surronded by freinds. As for population. For him ot arrive at a supposedly unhibital planet and find it full of refuges would be ironic since that alone would say that The Hulk would not be left alone on that planet in the first place.

[TheCrow13]

I think it would be amazing to see mr fantastic/iron man laying dead on the street at the hands of hulk, then they revert into their skrull form. Great ending imo. Maybe hulk/earth vs skrulls :D

[Exo]

With the Hulk having accomplished nothing in WWH he returns to either Sakaar or Savage Land. Where else would he call home?

[Xanrn]

They won't send him to the Savage Land, their too busy raping it for Artic Vibranium.

It will end with Sentry beating the Hulk to death/he reverts to banner/comes to his senses.

Probably be some "I have turned into the Red King" maybe some "What could Caeira think of me".

Won't end with the Hulk crying unless, Whedon gets involved.

Hulk in Hell, would be a good 3rd part.

Or maybe the Adventures of Hulk and his stone ship when they boldly go where no Hulk has gone before, Anger Management

[Bear]

They won't send him to the Savage Land, their too busy raping it for Artic Vibranium.

It will end with Sentry beating the Hulk to death/he reverts to banner/comes to his senses.

Probably be some "I have turned into the Red King" maybe some "What could Caeira think of me".

Won't end with the Hulk crying unless, Whedon gets involved.

Hulk in Hell, would be a good 3rd part.

Or maybe the Adventures of Hulk and his stone ship when they boldly go where no Hulk has gone before, Anger Management

For the record: these were the coolest ideas I've heard so far.

But I think Stark is going to get his ass beat--possibly to death.

And then of course that would leave both sides of the civil war debate leaderless.

Possibly, the Scarlet Witch will revert reality to a pre-dissassembled Marvel universe--which would suck.

[hyzmarca]

Hulk wins. Reed admits to being behind the explosion but turns out to be a Skrull (which is the best way to explain his 180 on the registration issue) and they give him New Mexico,which he renames to New Sakaar, because no one cares about New Mexico.

[Adriel]

I'm not sure how it will end, but I am pretty sure how it will be in about the middle.

Hulk wants vengeance. That is obvious, but the way most people are thinking it will be is way too simple.

We all thought he would come to Earth to kick some ***, but I disagree.

Hulk is too smart now.

He wants to destroy the heroes physically and emotionally.

So he is going to put them through his Sakaar experience, making them fight each other in some sort of arena, and after some of them or all of them battle their way through and lose so much, he will destroy them by killing their loved ones or something.

Well, that is what he would hope to do, and he will get to the killing the loved ones part, but that is when he will be stopped before he can do anything.

Who wins here?

[DaeJi]

I think the Hulk will beat all the people who sent him into space, Tony, Reed, Strange, and Black Bolt. The heroes of Earth will be beat down, and Hulks Warbound and Earth allies lead by Cho will be gloating over their victory. Then the Hulk will go after the Illuminati's family, including the Inhuman Royal family, Everyone who works for Tony, Wong, and Reed's children. And the moment he goes there, someone (THOR) or a lot of someones (THOR and spectators) show him how limited his strenght is. The Hulk will be forced to see what he has become, and he'll lash out, destroying all he has (his Warbound, his allies, his ship), before being driven away, finally having become the monster he never thought he was. Then next arc is him once more becoming human, leaving behind the pain and the rage, and becoming a hero at least in his eyes.

What I think anyway.

[thronzeblast]

I think the Hulk will beat all the people who sent him into space, Tony, Reed, Strange, and Black Bolt. The heroes of Earth will be beat down, and Hulks Warbound and Earth allies lead by Cho will be gloating over their victory. Then the Hulk will go after the Illuminati's family, including the Inhuman Royal family, Everyone who works for Tony, Wong, and Reed's children. And the moment he goes there, someone (THOR) or a lot of someones (THOR and spectators) show him how limited his strenght is. The Hulk will be forced to see what he has become, and he'll lash out, destroying all he has (his Warbound, his allies, his ship), before being driven away, finally having become the monster he never thought he was. Then next arc is him once more becoming human, leaving behind the pain and the rage, and becoming a hero at least in his eyes.

What I think anyway.



woh you got quite the imagination there.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I think that it will end with nobody being able to stop the Hulk. Then the Hulk will either leave and stay on Earth.

[Hrungr]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.

[Brad Barton]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.This is, far and away, the best ending I've seen put forth so far. I'll almost be diappointed if it doesn't end this way now....it seems like a very logical conclusion to everything thats gone on (including Hulk vs. Void Round 1 in the Sentry mini) and makes everyone, including Stark and Hulk, come out looking like a hero, as they should.

Yes, great theory, but far too good to be true. I'm sure the final ending will be something a little less satisfying/more surprising.

[Magneto Rocks]

I continue my theory thast it will end on the business end of a hammer.

If a villain swoops in at the end and either side- Hulk OR the Illuminati- fights and defeats them alone, ending the war, like the void example, I will be crushingly disappointed by the worst anticlimax in the history of event comics.

[Shai Hulud]

I continue my theory thast it will end on the business end of a hammer.

If a villain swoops in at the end and either side- Hulk OR the Illuminati- fights and defeats them alone, ending the war, like the void example, I will be crushingly disappointed by the worst anticlimax in the history of event comics.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Man, your opinions are so worthless to this Forum IMO.

And Thor Will never be part of WWH.

[Quinch]

I continue my theory thast it will end on the business end of a hammer.

If a villain swoops in at the end and either side- Hulk OR the Illuminati- fights and defeats them alone, ending the war, like the void example, I will be crushingly disappointed by the worst anticlimax in the history of event comics.

I dunno. I really like the sound of Hulk / Void.
For me the biggest dissapointment would be to have Thor anywhere near WWH

God I hate that character.

[ivesaidway2much]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.Why on Earth would the Hulk not want to fight the Void anyway regardless of the Void's motivations? The last time they met, the Void broke every bone in the Hulk's body. Personally, I would be more surprised if the next time the Void appears he is able to get out more than two words before the Hulk attempts to do the same thing back to him.

[madrox1977]

like the sanctuary idea but needs a way of deciding to get there other than the void.....IMHO its got to be representatives from the emergency services and city engineers tackle him to the ground and he gives up.....oh hang on would they do that again??

[DaeJi]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.

The one thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't lead to anything. PAK and Joe Q have said several times that World War Hulk was part 2 in a planned trilogy. The way I see it WWH will have an ending for the heroes of Earth, but for the Hulk it will just lead into the next part.

[Hulk Strongest One]

The Hulk will stay on Earth. He's back to stay and turn at least part of it into his new kingdom.

[Love Machine]

Hulk takes over as ruler of the Inhumans on the moon...(since he kicked the crap out of their king) and an uneasy cold war exists between them and the Earth...

BTW there is no f'n chance that Thor is coming to save the day, since Thor has rarely if ever been powerful enough to stop this Hulk...

[DaeJi]

And when before has the Hulk been able to beat Black Bolt? Thor has beaten the Hulk in the past, and has faced against greater threats with success. He was de-powered a bit in the early 90s, but at his height Thor could take on this Hulk.

And 'sides, the whole grab of this series is "Hulk fight everyone!" Capping this off with a Thor/Hulk battle is an almost no brainer. There doesn't even have to be a winner.

[Quinch]

And when before has the Hulk been able to beat Black Bolt? Thor has beaten the Hulk in the past, and has faced against greater threats with success. He was de-powered a bit in the early 90s, but at his height Thor could take on this Hulk.

You kinda defeated your own point here. If Hulk CAN beat BB now then - y'know he's tougher 'n stuff than he was before.. So like - yeah.. dynamic strength and stuff ya dig?


Capping this off with a Thor/Hulk battle is an almost no brainer. There doesn't even have to be a winner.
There never is.

[Love Machine]

And when before has the Hulk been able to beat Black Bolt? Thor has beaten the Hulk in the past, and has faced against greater threats with success. He was de-powered a bit in the early 90s, but at his height Thor could take on this Hulk.

And 'sides, the whole grab of this series is "Hulk fight everyone!" Capping this off with a Thor/Hulk battle is an almost no brainer. There doesn't even have to be a winner.

Explain then, given that we are told each week by Marvel that Hulk is madder and therefore stronger than ever, and he handed the more-powerful-than Thor Black Bolt his arse inside 60 secs, how Thor could take on this Hulk?

Anyway the thread is how will WWH end, I just can't see a single character (Thor, Sentry, Wasp,) bringing down the Hulk...I don't see Hulk losing this one on the battlefield...

[DaeJi]

Anyway the thread is how will WWH end, I just can't see a single character (Thor, Sentry, Wasp,) bringing down the Hulk...I don't see Hulk losing this one on the battlefield...

I don't see him losing this in a fight either. The question is how do they do without a cop out ending like Civil War. Like in my scenario I see the Hulk destroying his own forces, and his guilt over what he has become overcoming his rage and driving him out.

[ivesaidway2much]

And when before has the Hulk been able to beat Black Bolt? When has the Hulk been able to to beat Black Bolt? Always. I'm not sure Black Bolt has ever even knocked out the Hulk. In two of their fights (IH 175, Inhumans 12) it's specifically mentioned in the comic that the Hulk was merely stunned not KO'd by Black Bolt's attacks. And in the third fight (Hulk annual #1(?) ) the Hulk is down for such a seemingly short amount of time (similar to all their fights), that it's entirely possible that he was only stunned there as well. Black Bolt's "victories" against the Hulk are pretty overrated.

[Bear]

To me, it has always been a simple premise--and one that I love. The more you piss off the Hulk, the stronger he becomes. That enough is a reason for me how he successfully defeated Black Bolt.

My favorite Hulk fight is actually an old what-if? In which, the hulk teams with the Submariner against the early Avengers (just like he ultimately did in the 616). But at some point, Rick Jones gets attacked by the Submariner--and that was enough for the Hulk to jump into the water and whale (no pun intended) on the bastard unmercifully.

Great story.

[Brad Barton]

Anyway the thread is how will WWH end, I just can't see a single character (Thor, Sentry, Wasp,) bringing down the Hulk...I don't see Hulk losing this one on the battlefield...Exactly. I think the Thor ending would be wholly unsatisfying and downright goofy, actually.
Here we have a series called World War Hulk, and the title character's going to be knocked out by someone who'll, at best, have a cameo? Actually we haven't even seen a cameo solicitation or otherwise been given any notion that Thor will be within 1,000 miles of this thing. Thank god.

The series HAS to end with Hulk -- if not redeeming himself -- at the least proving that he isn't the monster the Illuminati thought they were shooting into space.

I'd love to see Hulk save Stark, Richards and Strange's ass from the Void, then watch them eat the biggest crow in Marvel history.

[DaeJi]

Why does Hulk have to go out as a hero? I would rather he come out of this a monster, then become a hero in the next leg of PAK's trilogy.

[Bear]

Why does Hulk have to go out as a hero? I would rather he come out of this a monster, then become a hero in the next leg of PAK's trilogy.

Well, I guess, inspite of that fact that he has done bad things--much as Stark--the Hulk is still mostly good.

[chrismileslord]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.


I have to agree. Good play, This would be the best possible ending I have read as of yet.

[Quinch]

Why does Hulk have to go out as a hero? I would rather he come out of this a monster, then become a hero in the next leg of PAK's trilogy.

Can't wait till IH 111- What's Pak got planned for the real nature of the Hulk?
I think we're about to see Hulks universe shaken up like never before.

[Maestro]

The Hulk begs for mercy at Iron Man's feet. Title changes to Incredible Hulk: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Hrungr]

Why on Earth would the Hulk not want to fight the Void anyway regardless of the Void's motivations?
Because the Void is the one guy who scares him and further he absolutely trounced him the last time they fought (breaking every bone in his body). It'll be one of those moments where the Hulk is going to have to dig deeper than ever before to pull out the win here.

This is, far and away, the best ending I've seen put forth so far. I'll almost be diappointed if it doesn't end this way now....it seems like a very logical conclusion to everything thats gone on (including Hulk vs. Void Round 1 in the Sentry mini) and makes everyone, including Stark and Hulk, come out looking like a hero, as they should.
Thanks. :)

The way the WWH #1 set the scene with Sentry talking about his friendship with the Hulk and about the Void (eg. how he was thrown into the sun) and trouncing the Hulk the last time they met. It feels like a lot of foreshadowing going on. And as we've seen Pak come full circle in PH it's a fair guess he'd do the same thing here.

Yes, great theory, but far too good to be true. I'm sure the final ending will be something a little less satisfying/more surprising.
I agree it's a lot of conjecture at this point, but the pieces fit.

The one thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't lead to anything. PAK and Joe Q have said several times that World War Hulk was part 2 in a planned trilogy. The way I see it WWH will have an ending for the heroes of Earth, but for the Hulk it will just lead into the next part.
I deliberately didn't speculate on how part III could go because we have nothing to go on yet except that Saakar (and the themes of its mythology) will somehow be involved. I don't see the Hulk returning to Sakaar unless only briefly, I'm certain he's back on Earth to stay now (sales-wise that makes more sense too). The Hulk could set up a kingdom on Earth, his own "Alien Nation", perhaps even bringing more of his people down from his planet. Maybe various disenfranchised races make their way to Earth, flocking to his banner? Some potential there. It could literally go in any number of directions.

[Chou Blaster]

I speculate Hulk WILL find out of Miek and Brood Queens plan, and smash the bugs.

And after all and all and proofin gthe Illumati right for launchnig him nito Spac e(With damage he'll cause to Super Community) And the fact he does not really fit in/care about that Earth.

Launches HIMSELF into space.

Trying ot find Peace, but inever will. (Goes of fot a planet, that is populated b ylot sof Kree, o r maybe Skrull, adn gets smashing.)

Edit:

Seocdn approahc will be

Nation: Hulk. In which Hulk ges his own peice o fland, an dha shis alien buddies and folkw ho ar epeeve dwith thing sto live there, wih him to protect them.

Blah, what can I say, darn near anything cna hpapen, just want BIg Grene to make it out of there alvie (Which he most likely will, as he is in the big 5 in terms of popularity.)

[MakeshiftHero]

I speculate Hulk WILL find out of Miek and Brood Queens plan, and smash the bugs.

And after all and all and proofin gthe Illumati right for launchnig him nito Spac e(With damage he'll cause to Super Community) And the fact he does not really fit in/care about that Earth.

Launches HIMSELF into space.

Trying ot find Peace, but inever will. (Goes of fot a planet, that is populated b ylot sof Kree, o r maybe Skrull, adn gets smashing.)

Edit:

Seocdn approahc will be

Nation: Hulk. In which Hulk ges his own peice o fland, an dha shis alien buddies and folkw ho ar epeeve dwith thing sto live there, wih him to protect them.

Blah, what can I say, darn near anything cna hpapen, just want BIg Grene to make it out of there alvie (Which he most likely will, as he is in the big 5 in terms of popularity.)

I'd like to see Hulk get some kind of secluded piece of land or an island as well, that is if he stays on Earth.

I'm sure we'll see Rick Jones come into the mini to try to talk to Hulk or calm him down.

[g-dawg]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.

That's the best theory i've heard in a while. Creatively it all fits. ^_^ Although if that happens taht means I know the ending already and you've spoiled it for us..^_^

And what of the Sentry after that? That's a good angle to see too.

[Magneto Rocks]

Exactly. I think the Thor ending would be wholly unsatisfying and downright goofy, actually.

So Hulk fighting one of the few characters who has ever been considered on par with him or possibly even surpassing him is goofy, but a villain swooping in and one side or the other defeating him is not?

A VILLAIN?

In THIS story?

It just makes no sense, but of course that ending would make Hulk-fans happy.

Here we have a series called World War Hulk, and the title character's going to be knocked out by someone who'll, at best, have a cameo? Actually we haven't even seen a cameo solicitation or otherwise been given any notion that Thor will be within 1,000 miles of this thing. Thank god.

Actually, IH 107 could be considered foreshadowing, since Korg mentions Thor as they don't know he won't be there.

Tell me, in the main civil war series where was all the evidence that clearly Thor would be back, before Civil War #3? (The FF stuff doesn't count, it wasn't in the main series.)

And a CAMEO? Foreshadow him a bit, have him turn up at the end of 4 and he's there for 20% of the story. That's more than just a cameo.

The series HAS to end with Hulk -- if not redeeming himself -- at the least proving that he isn't the monster the Illuminati thought they were shooting into space.

And that's you, as a Hulk fan, saying this. It's certainly not the path the first 20% of the story has set us on, it hasn't been remotely foreshadowed by issue 1. So frankly, it's as set up as the Void ending.

I honestly cannot fathom how a villain popping up to be taken down in this story and it NOT ending with a fight between Hulk and a hero is not the very DEFINITION of "unsatisfying".

I'd love to see Hulk save Stark, Richards and Strange's ass from the Void, then watch them eat the biggest crow in Marvel history.

Exactly, which is basically the ONLY reason this ending could make sense. People want Hulk to save everyone. As I say, not at all foreshadowed by issue 1 of WWH, or indeed by the Ih tie-ins.

[Quinch]

I just hate Thor.
Lots.

[ivesaidway2much]

Because the Void is the one guy who scares him and further he absolutely trounced him the last time they fought (breaking every bone in his body). It'll be one of those moments where the Hulk is going to have to dig deeper than ever before to pull out the win here.I still doubt it. The Sentry's golden aura makes the Hulk feel happy. The Void is the the Sentry's opposite, so it makes sense that the fear the Hulk felt came from his dark aura. Since this incarnation of the Hulk can seeminfly resist Xavier's mind control, with the Void going against a Hulk that can actually get angry, I'd be willing to bet it won't be the Hulk feeling fear this time.

[Magneto Rocks]

I just hate Thor.
Lots.

Sure but at least you don't have to endure an entire crossover about this character you hate :p

[Mike Smash!]

Sure but at least you don't have to endure an entire crossover about this character you hate :pYou don't have to endure anything. If you don't like something, no one's forcing you to read it.

[Magneto Rocks]

You don't have to endure anything. If you don't like something, no one's forcing you to read it.

No no, I'm enjoying the crossover, I'm just saying he can imagine what I felt when I heard about WWH if he considers what would happen if Marvel announced "World War Thor" next year focused entirely on Thor.

[Mike Smash!]

No no, I'm enjoying the crossover, I'm just saying he can imagine what I felt when I heard about WWH if he considers what would happen if Marvel announced "World War Thor" next year focused entirely on Thor.Yeah, there isn't much point in just complaining at random. Makes you sound like Grouchy Smurf!

http://www.timelesstrinkets.com/Smurfs/Images/Labels/SmurfGrouchy.jpg

"I hate crossovers!"

But I guess if the big Marvel event revolved around characters I didn't care about, I'd just buy the books I normally bought and try to ignore it, unless it looked interesting. Never been a big Thor fan, but sometimes all it takes is the right creative team. I never really liked Daredevil before Bendis or FF before Waid...

[Quinch]

No no, I'm enjoying the crossover, I'm just saying he can imagine what I felt when I heard about WWH if he considers what would happen if Marvel announced "World War Thor" next year focused entirely on Thor.

I'd be sad.

[ivesaidway2much]

But I guess if the big Marvel event revolved around characters I didn't care about, I'd just buy the books I normally bought and try to ignore it, unless it looked interesting. Never been a big Thor fan, but sometimes all it takes is the right creative team. I never really liked Daredevil before Bendis or FF before Waid...That's the worst thing you could do Mike. Recent Marvel mega-crossovers have been somewhat less than flattering to their main characters. For instance, I've never been a particularly big fan of either Spider-man or the Avengers, so over the past couple of years it's been quite a pleasure seeing them all portrayed as the jerks and morons I always thought they were.:)

[Brad Barton]

So Hulk fighting one of the few characters who has ever been considered on par with him or possibly even surpassing him is goofy, but a villain swooping in and one side or the other defeating him is not?

A VILLAIN?

In THIS story?

It just makes no sense, but of course that ending would make Hulk-fans happy.Well, actually Thor's been shown to be on par with Hulk, yes. Surpassing him? No.

The Void, on the other hand, HAS been shown to surpass him in strength. And I never said Void would "swoop down ad defeat him". None of us did, We said that the Sentry, in his looniness, would release the Void, and Hulk will be there to stop him, not be "Defeated" by him.

Why do some people think this HAS to end with Hulk being beaten down like a bitch?

Actually, IH 107 could be considered foreshadowing, since Korg mentions Thor as they don't know he won't be there.Well then the scene with Stark, Richards and the Sentry in WWH could be considered much stronger foreshadowing, as the Thor reference in IH #107 was a one-panel reference in a tie-in book, and could be chalked up to Korg remembering his first journey to Earth. The Void foreshadowing, on the other hand, was a 2-3 page side-plot in issue #1 of the MAIN book.

Which is more likely?

Tell me, in the main civil war series where was all the evidence that clearly Thor would be back, before Civil War #3? (The FF stuff doesn't count, it wasn't in the main series.)This isn't Civil War.

And "Thor" having his shocking reveal in Civil War is exactly the reason he won't be in WWH. It's already been done.

And a CAMEO? Foreshadow him a bit, have him turn up at the end of 4 and he's there for 20% of the story. That's more than just a cameo.Again, The Void has been foreshadowed much stronger than Thor. Thor showing up might be cool in a "We get to see a Hulk/Thor fight!" kind of way....but it makes zero sense to the overall story.

I honestly cannot fathom how a villain popping up to be taken down in this story and it NOT ending with a fight between Hulk and a hero is not the very DEFINITION of "unsatisfying".Well Mags, that's because (being a non-Hulk fan) your definition of a satisfying ending is Hulk utterly and completely losing.

So speak for yourself on that one...

Exactly, which is basically the ONLY reason this ending could make sense. People want Hulk to save everyone. As I say, not at all foreshadowed by issue 1 of WWH, or indeed by the Ih tie-ins.I never said I wanted Hulk to "save everyone".

What I said was :
The series HAS to end with Hulk -- if not redeeming himself -- at the least proving that he isn't the monster the Illuminati thought they were shooting into space.

Proving he's not a monster isn't in any way, shape or form "saving everyone". It's proving them wrong.

[Magneto Rocks]

Well, actually Thor's been shown to be on par with Hulk, yes. Surpassing him? No.

He has, yes. Hence the "possibly". SO it's arguable.

The Void, on the other hand, HAS been shown to surpass him in strength. And I never said Void would "swoop down ad defeat him". None of us did, We said that the Sentry, in his looniness, would release the Void, and Hulk will be there to stop him, not be "Defeated" by him.

Er... I know. So hang on, here's the thing: This CROSSOVER featuring Hulk out for vengeance on four HEROES...

...ends with Hulk beating down a completely different VILLAIN?

And no-one but me thinks this is anticlimatic?

Why do some people think this HAS to end with Hulk being beaten down like a bitch?

I don't, I just want the final battle to be, y'know, relevant to the plot so far.

Well then the scene with Stark, Richards and the Sentry in WWH could be considered much stronger foreshadowing, as the Thor reference in IH #107 was a one-panel reference in a tie-in book, and could be chalked up to Korg remembering his first journey to Earth. The Void foreshadowing, on the other hand, was a 2-3 page side-plot in issue #1 of the MAIN book.

Actually no, the Void was mentioned on two panels of a two page section. So sure, there'd be more foreshadowing, but it would still come out of nowhere. Now if we see the Sentry refuse to fight etc because he's afraid of unleashing the void, and then when he does fight, he DOES... it's been set up. But it's still a RUBBISH anticlimax. :D

And "Thor" having his shocking reveal in Civil War is exactly the reason he won't be in WWH. It's already been done.

That's a pretty bad reason. That time it was a fake out.

Again, The Void has been foreshadowed much stronger than Thor. Thor showing up might be cool in a "We get to see a Hulk/Thor fight!" kind of way....but it makes zero sense to the overall story.

Stronger, yes. "Much"? No. And Thor showing up to battle Hulk makes more sense than Void, and is less anticlimatic too, even if he loses.

Well Mags, that's because (being a non-Hulk fan) your definition of a satisfying ending is Hulk utterly and completely losing.

Actually no, I think Hulk beating Doctor Strange to DEATH in the last issue is a much much better ending than the Void one hypothesized.

Proving he's not a monster isn't in any way, shape or form "saving everyone". It's proving them wrong.

So the Void shows up to kill, y'know, the EARTH and when Hulk beats him that's not "saving everyone"?

Plus how exactly does the Hulk muster up the strength to BEAT the Void? Yeah he's the angriest we've ever seen but unless it turns out the VOID blew up Hulk's planet, I don't see how that anger holds enough for him to beat the Void...

And again, there is nothing, NOTHING in issue 1 to suggest that the series should end with Hulk redeeming himself. All we see of him is him smashing meteors, beating up Black Bolt and then beating on Iron Man. It's unquestionable that he is MUCH more the antagonist than protagonist in issue 1.

Not saying it won't happen, just saying your assertion that it MUST end with him redeeming himself is certainly not backed up by the story thus far.

[scottieevil]

My newest guess. Stark was behind the bomb, his "futurist vision" (pronounced Namor) told him that Hulk would return. He built the bomb to destroy the shuttle upon landing to strand Hulk. He knew Hulk would survive the blast and the target planet was uninhabited. HUlk's on-board rampage damaged the bomb so it did not detonate on impact, but did later. Now you have Ironman, champion of the registration act, preacher of responsibility responsible for millions of innocent deaths. Hulk stops short of killing him, forcing the world to see who the "monster" really is. That, coupled with the unmasking of the illuminati as a secret cabal outside the government, begins the long slow fall of Stark, the SHRA and the Illuminati. Stark hits bottom, finally beginning redemption just in time for his movie debut.

[ivesaidway2much]

Er... I know. So hang on, here's the thing: This CROSSOVER featuring Hulk out for vengeance on four HEROES...

...ends with Hulk beating down a completely different VILLAIN?

And no-one but me thinks this is anticlimatic?You have to understand Mags. We're Hulk fans. The Hulk has never beaten the Void. That right there is more than reason enough to put him in WWH. Throw in the fact that the Hulk has been depicted as being afraid of the Void, and well... it's not going to end well for the Void the next time they meet. If the Hulk hadn't already rearranged the Surfer's face in PH, you'd probably have a few posters (myself included) talking about how much sense it would make if Norrin Radd swooped in out of nowhere in the middle of the story and started fighting the Hulk for no reason (I mean, for the greater good?).

Actually no, I think Hulk beating Doctor Strange to DEATH in the last issue is a much much better ending than the Void one hypothesized.I think I would actually tear up at this ending.:p

And again, there is nothing, NOTHING in issue 1 to suggest that the series should end with Hulk redeeming himself. All we see of him is him smashing meteors, beating up Black Bolt and then beating on Iron Man. It's unquestionable that he is MUCH more the antagonist than protagonist in issue 1.I'm confused.:confused: How can anyone who beats up Iron man be the bad guy? Sure he threatened to kill everyone on Earth, BUT HE KICKED TONY'S ARSE.:D

[reddog]

I might be remembering this wrong but did'nt the fight with hulk and sentry happen in the neg zone making the sentry more powerful. I could be wrong considering i would much rather use a sentry book for toilet paper than actually submit it to memory.

[Quinch]

I might be remembering this wrong but did'nt the fight with hulk and sentry happen in the neg zone making the sentry more powerful. I could be wrong considering i would much rather use a sentry book for toilet paper than actually submit it to memory.

Yes but in the issue where Hulk Thor et al had to stop the void it was in NY . Hulk was just as scared and totally ineffectual against it that time too.
Damn that scary aura!

[Magneto Rocks]

Well my dreams are shattered by this week's New Green Fridays.

Guess I'm counting on...

....

...

...Okay now I'm in a conundrum. We know the Illuminati won't win themselves, now we know it won't be Thor...

...so now I'm left with the hideous prospect that:

A) A rubbishy "villain" thing along the lines of what was suggested above or
B) A Sentry vs Hulk throwdown to end it all.

Which would force me to pick sides between two characters I despise. How am I supposed to support the Illuminati's side, who I know with 100% certainty to be in the right, if their "champion" is one of the few heroes I hate with a passion! Worse, if Sentry wins then people will say it's undeniable proof he is uber and better than Thor, and if Hulk wins people will say the same but vice versa!

Right, time for Plan B.

Hulkbuster Mark III, Tony: it's all I've got!

[CMBMOOL]

My newest guess. Stark was behind the bomb, his "futurist vision" (pronounced Namor) told him that Hulk would return. He built the bomb to destroy the shuttle upon landing to strand Hulk. He knew Hulk would survive the blast and the target planet was uninhabited. HUlk's on-board rampage damaged the bomb so it did not detonate on impact, but did later. Now you have Ironman, champion of the registration act, preacher of responsibility responsible for millions of innocent deaths. Hulk stops short of killing him, forcing the world to see who the "monster" really is. That, coupled with the unmasking of the illuminati as a secret cabal outside the government, begins the long slow fall of Stark, the SHRA and the Illuminati. Stark hits bottom, finally beginning redemption just in time for his movie debut.

Wow, that just Perfect. :D

[CMBMOOL]

Well my dreams are shattered by this week's New Green Fridays.

Guess I'm counting on...

....

...

...Okay now I'm in a conundrum. We know the Illuminati won't win themselves, now we know it won't be Thor...

...so now I'm left with the hideous prospect that:

A) A rubbishy "villain" thing along the lines of what was suggested above or
B) A Sentry vs Hulk throwdown to end it all.

Which would force me to pick sides between two characters I despise. How am I supposed to support the Illuminati's side, who I know with 100% certainty to be in the right, if their "champion" is one of the few heroes I hate with a passion! Worse, if Sentry wins then people will say it's undeniable proof he is uber and better than Thor, and if Hulk wins people will say the same but vice versa!

Right, time for Plan B.

Hulkbuster Mark III, Tony: it's all I've got!

As much as we argue Mags I have to admit that even I would have hated that ending too, but maybe Pak will surprise us in the final opponet for the Hulk to face will be someone from within his Warbound or his earthly allies. :D

[reddog]

Well my dreams are shattered by this week's New Green Fridays.

Guess I'm counting on...

....

...

...Okay now I'm in a conundrum. We know the Illuminati won't win themselves, now we know it won't be Thor...

...so now I'm left with the hideous prospect that:

A) A rubbishy "villain" thing along the lines of what was suggested above or
B) A Sentry vs Hulk throwdown to end it all.

Which would force me to pick sides between two characters I despise. How am I supposed to support the Illuminati's side, who I know with 100% certainty to be in the right, if their "champion" is one of the few heroes I hate with a passion! Worse, if Sentry wins then people will say it's undeniable proof he is uber and better than Thor, and if Hulk wins people will say the same but vice versa!

Right, time for Plan B.

Hulkbuster Mark III, Tony: it's all I've got!

HOLY SCHNICKEY'S I agree with mags on something

[Man In Black]

So it looks like the Sentry will be the one to step up and slap Hulk down, according to the Green Joe fridays or whatever.

I must say, I am shocked. <----sarcasm

[Brad Barton]

Hulkbuster Mark III, Tony: it's all I've got!Actually, I agree with you here too.

It'd be fun to see Hulk rip apart another suit of Hulkbuster armor. ;)

[Ben Morgan]

I think the Hulk will beat all the people who sent him into space, Tony, Reed, Strange, and Black Bolt. The heroes of Earth will be beat down, and Hulks Warbound and Earth allies lead by Cho will be gloating over their victory. Then the Hulk will go after the Illuminati's family, including the Inhuman Royal family, Everyone who works for Tony, Wong, and Reed's children. And the moment he goes there, someone (THOR) or a lot of someones (THOR and spectators) show him how limited his strenght is. The Hulk will be forced to see what he has become, and he'll lash out, destroying all he has (his Warbound, his allies, his ship), before being driven away, finally having become the monster he never thought he was. Then next arc is him once more becoming human, leaving behind the pain and the rage, and becoming a hero at least in his eyes.

What I think anyway.
That's actually a good idea, but Hulk wouldn't stand a chance against Franky :cool:

[Hrungr]

Well my dreams are shattered by this week's New Green Fridays.

Guess I'm counting on...

....

...

...Okay now I'm in a conundrum. We know the Illuminati won't win themselves, now we know it won't be Thor...

...so now I'm left with the hideous prospect that:

A) A rubbishy "villain" thing along the lines of what was suggested above or
B) A Sentry vs Hulk throwdown to end it all.

Which would force me to pick sides between two characters I despise. How am I supposed to support the Illuminati's side, who I know with 100% certainty to be in the right, if their "champion" is one of the few heroes I hate with a passion! Worse, if Sentry wins then people will say it's undeniable proof he is uber and better than Thor, and if Hulk wins people will say the same but vice versa!

Right, time for Plan B.

Hulkbuster Mark III, Tony: it's all I've got!
Damn if that isn't the funniest thing I've read all day. Heh, this just isn't going to be your event, now is it? :D

Greg said the essential question in this event is whether the Hulk a monster or a hero. This is why having the Void appear at the end (who the readers are now up to speed on having read issue #1) makes so much sense. It creates the perfect situation to explore the other side of the question and the one that has a lot of gravity with the Hulk in particular (who fears the Void and has never beaten him).

However, it does not mean that Hulk has to come out of this a "good guy". He could very easily see him turn around at the end and spell out in no uncertain terms that he does not forgive what they had done to him, leaving him at odds with a large number of heroes.

[Spiffy]

I still think, in the grand tradition, this has to be a tragedy. Someone close to either Hulk or Banner has to die as a result of this invasion. Banner has to reassert his place as a result. The weight of it all has to crush him and drive him back off planet. Then and only then will things pile on even more when he finds out some outside force planted that "bomb"--he's been punishing the wrong people. Now his motivation isn't just anger, but also self-loathing and guilt. And so starts a whole new cycle of wandering--this time in space instead of along dusty back roads.

[Quinch]

I still think, in the grand tradition, this has to be a tragedy. Someone close to either Hulk or Banner has to die as a result of this invasion. Banner has to reassert his place as a result. The weight of it all has to crush him and drive him back off planet. Then and only then will things pile on even more when he finds out some outside force planted that "bomb"--he's been punishing the wrong people. Now his motivation isn't just anger, but also self-loathing and guilt. And so starts a whole new cycle of wandering--this time in space instead of along dusty back roads.

Good post. Sakkar will be revisited and I see the third arc being Hulk hitchiking in space.
De de de de deee. De de de dee de dee.

[Walter West]

Exactly. I think the Thor ending would be wholly unsatisfying and downright goofy, actually.
Here we have a series called World War Hulk, and the title character's going to be knocked out by someone who'll, at best, have a cameo? Actually we haven't even seen a cameo solicitation or otherwise been given any notion that Thor will be within 1,000 miles of this thing. Thank god.

The series HAS to end with Hulk -- if not redeeming himself -- at the least proving that he isn't the monster the Illuminati thought they were shooting into space.

I'd love to see Hulk save Stark, Richards and Strange's ass from the Void, then watch them eat the biggest crow in Marvel history.

That would be a fantastic ending. It would also be the most satisfying end to a crossover EVER!

[Magneto Rocks]

That's the thing though... if Hulk stops the Void, then the only explanation that will make sense to me is if WWH occurs pre-Thor, which is possible. Because otherwise- no offence to Hulk- I just can't see ANY villain that the Hulk- and ONLY Hulk- can stop. If the Void pops up and Thor is alive, I cannot see anything stopping him from zipping over to New York, clobbering Void, and zipping back again. The Void ending is very possible and wouldn't surprise me at all- he's the one major foe who could come in and have Hulk beat alone, any other and Sentry and Hulk tag team him. The problem is, the whole idea of any foe or villain coming in just SUCKS and is a total anticlimax. It would be like... like Iron Man beating up Cap in CW6 and then suddenly the Skrulls attack and the final battle is between Iron Man and the Super Skrull.

[Spiffy]

Good post. Sakkar will be revisited and I see the third arc being Hulk hitchiking in space.
De de de de deee. De de de dee de dee.
Maybe we will get to see the legendary "Guilt Hulk".

http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/info/hulk-incarnations.asp?Id=guilt (click on this and scroll down a bit...)

[DaeJi]

Mags has a point (wow, scary thought!), any outside force coming in would just weaken the point of the story. If the Hulk becomes Mr. Big-time-hero despite all that has happened, then there was really no point to WWH. Civil War had a real ending; the pro-side won. If there had been a villain that popped up and all of a sudden all the heroes teamed up to fight him, then the civil war wouldn't have ended and we would still be seeing it go on. Hulk has to decide weather he is a monster himself, and can't use some uber-villain to help him out; the Hulk either lets Tony and co. off the hook and stops his Warbound from deciding otherwise (Hero), or he decides to make them feel what he feels and goes after their loved ones (Monster). Not the only possibilities, but the ones I see happening.

[ivesaidway2much]

Wow, two people using Civil War #7 as an example of an ending that wasn't anti-climactic.

[DaeJi]

Yes, the ending to Civil War #7 was a bit anti-climactic. But at least it ended the conflict. The Hulk fighting off some villain does nothin.

[Brad Barton]

That's the thing though... if Hulk stops the Void, then the only explanation that will make sense to me is if WWH occurs pre-Thor, which is possible. Because otherwise- no offence to Hulk- I just can't see ANY villain that the Hulk- and ONLY Hulk- can stop. If the Void pops up and Thor is alive, I cannot see anything stopping him from zipping over to New York, clobbering Void, and zipping back again.Hey, you know I love your metaphors Mags, but if you're alluding that Hulk could beat the Void-- but barely -- Then Thor certainly couldn't "zip out" give the Void a good talking to and zip back to Okie in time for supper. It'd probably be a teensy bit more involved than that. ;)

We've established that Hulk and Thor are damn near equals, so if Hulk has a hard time with the Void (especially this "Uber-Hulk" incarnation of him) then Thor would most certainly have a hard time with the Void.

Not saying Thor couldn't eventually take him out though, I'm sure he could, but not as if it were a walk in the park.


The Void ending is very possible and wouldn't surprise me at all- he's the one major foe who could come in and have Hulk beat alone, any other and Sentry and Hulk tag team him. The problem is, the whole idea of any foe or villain coming in just SUCKS and is a total anticlimax. It would be like... like Iron Man beating up Cap in CW6 and then suddenly the Skrulls attack and the final battle is between Iron Man and the Super Skrull.It's funny you say that...I know you're saying it as a joke, but I think that would've been a hell of a lot better ending than the one we got. I would've been much more satisfied with a Skrull invasion that activated all the sleeper Skrulls we presumably currently have wandering the Marvel U.
When they're activated, numerous heroes on both sides of the Civil War are shown to have had Skrulls in their midst. Sleeper Skrull agents in positions at the raft and the 42 prison release all known Supervillains from captivity. Massive confusion ensues and the biggest battle in the History of the Marvel U rages across the East Coast. Heroes vs. Heroes. vs. Villains released from 42 and the Raft by other sleeper Skrulls vs. Skrulls.
Eventually, the Skrulls are victorious, driving the heroes deep underground where Captain America assembles a ragtag team of mixed Pro/Anti-Reg heroes, as does Stark at his base. They attack the Skrulls in a massive counter-offensive, and......okay, you get the idea.

Man, I could keep going, that story writes itself.

Damn, that would've been a much better ending than....the one we got, IMO, and it could've kept Cap and Tony at odds too, so the emotional thorough line of the story remained intact.
I bet I could've even fit the Super Skrull vs. Iron Man fight in there in a cool way and made it seem logical...

So much for speculating WWH endings, I'm speculating new endings for Civil War. ;)

[Magneto Rocks]

Hey, you know I love your metaphors Mags, but if you're alluding that Hulk could beat the Void-- but barely -- Then Thor certainly couldn't "zip out" give the Void a good talking to and zip back to Okie in time for supper. It'd probably be a teensy bit more involved than that. ;)

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that although you're quite right, I did accidentally imply that. I just meant... well, he's Thor. It literally takes him three seconds to go from Oklahoma to New York, I can't see him NOT helping against Void if Void is there.

It's funny you say that...I know you're saying it as a joke, but I think that would've been a hell of a lot better ending than the one we got.

Well of course you do, you're anti-reg. I was EXTREMELY pleased with the one we got and felt it was appropriately foreshadowed, accurate and made total sense :P



Too cliché and un-foreshadowed for my liking.

[quote]Damn, that would've been a much better ending than....the one we got, IMO, and it could've kept Cap and Tony at odds too, so the emotional thorough line of the story remained intact.
I bet I could've even fit the Super Skrull vs. Iron Man fight in there in a cool way and made it seem logical...

No see, no offence to your little plan but I would have absolutely hated it because
A) It's cliché
B) It doesn't give us a true winner
C) It's not a Civil War ;)

To each his own, I'm sure you'd rather Cap simply beat Iron Man into submission than any of them!

[Brad Barton]

quote]

Too cliché and un-foreshadowed for my liking.



No see, no offence to your little plan but I would have absolutely hated it because
A) It's clichéAh, but that's the thing!!

It's only cliche if it's told in a cliche way.

For instance, the idea of heroes fighting heroes is so cliche it could be a sub-definition in the dictionary under "cliche"....and yet, Civil War was pretty original. They took a cliche idea, and made it seem new.

The Skrull storyline I pulled out of thin air....well, when taken at the face value of the blurb I wrote, yeah, I could see how it could come off as cliche, but the story I saw in my mind was really original and cool.

B) It doesn't give us a true winnerSure it does, the Heroes are the true winners, as it should have been.

C) It's not a Civil War ;)Well, that wasn't my idea for the entire series, mind you, just the ending. Every other issue could've standed as they were up till issue about #7 (with Skrull foreshadowing sprinkled in here or there), then my ending could've taken over and been issue's #7 & 8....you know, hypothetically speaking.

And as I said, Stark and Cap could've stayed at odds....they'd just have been fighting the Skrulls from different camps. Then when the invasion was beat back (IF it was beaten back. If Marvel wanted a change in status quo, Skrulls ruling the earth for a year or so would've been a hell of a change), registration could either have been repealed or kept as policy, however Marvel wanted to continue.

I dunno, not saying my ending is great either (if it were, I'd probably be writing comics instead of bitching about them ;) ) but I was just SO unsatisfied with the ending we got. Not because Stark and pro-reg won, just because to me personally the ending seemed forced. Like Millar had an ending in mind, then Whedons little fit if brilliance sort of steamrolled the whole thing.



Honestly, besides Mags, who else here wasn't satisifed with the ending to Civil War?

I know I'm not the only one....

[DaeJi]

The editor of the event, Mark Paniccia, has recently said that it's unlikely Thor will pop up.


Will Thor be in WWH?

MP: Prolly not.

He did so on Newsarama during a Q&A found here: http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/greenfridays.html. So, no Thor to save the day :( Still don't see any Void action though; I think we have meet all our players already.

[Syzygy]

No Thor or Void for me, thanks. Void's return is too big for anything other than a Sentry event, and Hulk is the star here. Similarly with Thor, who shouldn't return simply to get trashed, and who's trashing Hulk would be a resolution with no connection to the rest of the story.

No Illuminati bomb for me, either. We may disagree with them on myriad points, but that doesn't prevent them from being heroes. Nuking people, on the other hand...it just crosses over too far into villain territory. Besides, if the Hulk learns definitively that Illuminati nuked 1,000,000 people, he pretty much has to kill them, or it looks like he's wussing out.

The focus should be on Hulk himself. If Banner is responsible for the explosion (perhaps a case of temporary insanity), it fits, both because Banner has always been Hulk's worst enemy, and because Banner is the one person Hulk can't smash....

[reddog]

I was'nt satisfied with the ending to civil war, actually felt cheated out of my hard earned cash too.

[Trey]

Banner will stop the Hulk, Mark it down . No doubt about it. They will split. Did anyone hear of the rumor of a new red hulk?

[Red Lotus]

The editor of the event, Mark Paniccia, has recently said that it's unlikely Thor will pop up.



He did so on Newsarama during a Q&A found here: http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/greenfridays.html. So, no Thor to save the day :( Still don't see any Void action though; I think we have meet all our players already.


So I guess Sentry is going to be the one to give the Hulk a beat down.:D

Banner will stop the Hulk, Mark it down . No doubt about it. They will split. Did anyone hear of the rumor of a new red hulk?

Well Banner being the one to stop the Hulk might happen. There is only two things to do with Banner one is him taking the Hulk's side and the other is him being the one to stop the Hulk.

[ivesaidway2much]

No Illuminati bomb for me, either. We may disagree with them on myriad points, but that doesn't prevent them from being heroes. Nuking people, on the other hand...it just crosses over too far into villain territory. Besides, if the Hulk learns definitively that Illuminati nuked 1,000,000 people, he pretty much has to kill them, or it looks like he's wussing out.I don't know. I think the Winter Soldier nuked a bunch of people in Philadelphia a while ago in Cap's book, and that didn't seem to hurt his character much. As Cain Marko has pointed out, being a mass murderer hasn't prevented Juggernot from being a hero (although I pray he's retconned into being Skrull). And according to some people the Hulk's slaughtered quite a few civilians, yet both his main books in May were in the top 15 in terms of sales. I don't think the Illuminati would suffer that much from having a little blood on their hands. Some of them already do.

The focus should be on Hulk himself. If Banner is responsible for the explosion (perhaps a case of temporary insanity), it fits, both because Banner has always been Hulk's worst enemy, and because Banner is the one person Hulk can't smash....That's not entirely true. Over the years, there have been a few fights between the different personas of the Hulk. The last one occured in Giant-size Hulk #1 with the Hulk triumphing over Banner to stay in control of the body while on Sakaar. I don't see why a teamup of the three (well I guess four now) dominant personalities of the Hulk couldn't keep crazy pyschopath Banner locked away like they have with Guilt Hulk and Devil Hulk.

As for how WWh will end. The only thing I hope is that it ends with someone good or bad, Warbound or Illuminati getting the crap beat out of them. The falling to your knees and crying over all the mistakes you've made endings should be reserved for girly girl comics and mangas.

[CMBMOOL]

Okay let just say the Hulk is finally defeated in issue #5.


By the combined powers of the Sentry and the freed Illuminati, they were able to transform him back into Banner and defeat the alien Warbound.

However, just as they were about to deliver the final blow, Cho Stops them and calls them worst monsters then what they thought of the Hulk.

He states that if they tried to kill Banner then they will have to kill him too, soon joining Cho is Rick Jones, Jennifer Walters, the New Avengers, Hulk's Earthly allies, The Falcon, the Thing, Wolverine, even some of the Mighty Avengers (Ares, Wasp, and Ms. Marvel, some of the Initiative, and even Namor, himself comes to the aid of their fellow Friend/Hero/ Defender/ Avenger.

Knowing the odds are against them Tony orders them to stand down, but they do not move. Jen even asked Tony what would Cap think of this, which make the Illuminati members a little sadden by their actions knowing that despite who ever blew up the Hulk's ship, they still have the blame of knowing that they had a hand for the cause the destruction of New York.

Reed then decides to surrender, along with Black Bolt and Dr. Strange, even Tony taken off his armor, decides to give Banner a 30 min head start before chasing him again.

Seeing this Banner still punches the Illuminati members for betraying him, then heads off into the sun set, with Cho behind him.

And that how I see WWH ending. :D

[Kefky]

Okay let just say the Hulk is finally defeated in issue #5.


By the combined powers of the Sentry and the freed Illuminati, they were able to transform him back into Banner and defeat the alien Warbound.

However, just as they were about to deliver the final blow, Cho Stops them and calls them worst monsters then what they thought of the Hulk.

He states that if they tried to kill Banner then they will have to kill him too, soon joining Cho is Rick Jones, Jennifer Walters, the New Avengers, Hulk's Earthly allies, The Falcon, the Thing, Wolverine, even some of the Mighty Avengers (Ares, Wasp, and Ms. Marvel, some of the Initiative, and even Namor, himself comes to the aid of their fellow Friend/Hero/ Defender/ Avenger.

Knowing the odds are against them Tony orders them to stand down, but they do not move. Jen even asked Tony what would Cap think of this, which make the Illuminati members a little sadden by their actions knowing that despite who ever blew up the Hulk's ship, they still have the blame of knowing that they had a hand for the cause the destruction of New York.

Reed then decides to surrender, along with Black Bolt and Dr. Strange, even Tony taken off his armor, decides to give Banner a 30 min head start before chasing him again.

Seeing this Banner still punches the Illuminati members for betraying him, then heads off into the sun set, with Cho behind him.

And that how I see WWH ending. :D

Too pretty. Cho sure is the last person in this story that deserves a happy ending.

And the stuff above with the illuminati committing genocide is just overkill. Talk about extremes, people.

[Spiffy]

Like so many of these theories, I think the one two posts up is just plain too complicated. I still honestly think this will boil down to something as simple as someone important dying and Banner reforming out of Hulk to end this all.

The theory can be jazzed up with details (like my other theory that "Part 3" of this mega-Hulk saga is Banner/Hulk wandering the cosmos in an intergalactic version of the dusty roads the TV Banner wandered), but at its heart its the simplest. No Skrulls, no Thor, no lame-o Sentry, no Void, just a moment of human drama to end it all. It might be preceeded by a big battle, but as with Civil War the big battle will only be a prelude to the ACTUAL ending (in that case Cap surveying the damage around him and surrendering). This will be similar in tone--a battle, leading to a tragedy, leading to a moment of reflection, leading to our characters walking off stage to the rest of their lives. So in that sense maybe its not that different from CMBMOOL's theory, but without the "I am Spartacus" stuff, where the entire MU has to be involved and pick sides. We had that already, both in Civil War, and to a lesser degree when people are coming out either for Hulk or against him. There won't be a need to retread that ground a third time.

[Magneto Rocks]

I don't know. I think the Winter Soldier nuked a bunch of people in Philadelphia a while ago in Cap's book, and that didn't seem to hurt his character much.

He was being MIND CONTROLLED at the time. If he'd nuked them out of his own free will Cap would have had no choice but to take him in.

However, just as they were about to deliver the final blow, Cho Stops them and calls them worst monsters then what they thought of the Hulk.

He states that if they tried to kill Banner then they will have to kill him too, soon joining Cho is Rick Jones, Jennifer Walters, the New Avengers, Hulk's Earthly allies, The Falcon, the Thing, Wolverine, even some of the Mighty Avengers (Ares, Wasp, and Ms. Marvel, some of the Initiative, and even Namor, himself comes to the aid of their fellow Friend/Hero/ Defender/ Avenger.

Knowing the odds are against them Tony orders them to stand down, but they do not move. Jen even asked Tony what would Cap think of this, which make the Illuminati members a little sadden by their actions knowing that despite who ever blew up the Hulk's ship, they still have the blame of knowing that they had a hand for the cause the destruction of New York.

Wish fulfillment much, CMBMOOL? ;)

For the last time The heroes [u]don't agree with Hulk![/i] They don't sympathise with him much, the ones who do think it's not worth blowing up Manhattan for! The ending you name is INCREDIBLY implausible, makes no logical sense, acts totally against the interests of the characters and totally defies the point of all that we've read in WWH so far!

And how does "nearly killing Hulk" make one a worse monster than "nearly killing everry New York super hero, destroying New York and threatening to kill everyone on Earth"?

PLUS I doubt the Illuminati wouild feel guilty. According to you, they should feel real guilty for Hulk destroying half of New York but he should get off scot free?

[scottieevil]

This should satisfy everyone:
*Banner's a Skrull!

*Dr. Strange uses the soul gem to pull him forward, he's a bit out of it and all skrully.

*Strange collapses from shock, Reed-Skrull incapacitates Iron-Man using nanites.

*Here's the big twist, Hulk didn't know he was a skrull! But it explains why the nanotech didn't work and his penchant for purple pants.

*Skr-Hulk decides he's very confused and leaves, but not before sleeping with She-Hulk since their no longer cousins.... or are they?

*Ironman wakes up, pulls off his helmet and it's..... Steve Rogers!

*Reed-Skrull removes one "e" and one "r" to reveal he's not a skrull, but a Red Skull!

*Aha! But then Dr. Strange unmasks and is Doom!

*Then Namor is revealed to actually be Tony Stark, futurist, which is why he was right so much lately.

*Stark/Namor uses nanites to depower Doom, but Doom is revealled to be... the real Namor. Who isn't depowered and is now the new king of the Inhumans.

*Meanwhile, Blackbolt says that his voice doesn't really blow stuff up, he just has a stuttering problem and compensates by telekinetically blowing stuff up.

Sentry and Thor come rushing in to save the day but collide killing each other.

*Then out of the shadows, the Void returns, but it's really Norman Osbourne the man behind it all AND claiming to be She-Hulk's real father.

*Finally, Amadeus Cho shows himself to be Franklin Richards from an alternate timeline. His disappointment evident, he blinks this whole silly series out of existence. 616 reboots two days before House of M and Scarlet Witch gets squashed by a rampaging Skr-Hulk.

[ivesaidway2much]

This should satisfy everyone:
*Banner's a Skrull!

*Dr. Strange uses the soul gem to pull him forward, he's a bit out of it and all skrully.

*Strange collapses from shock, Reed-Skrull incapacitates Iron-Man using nanites.

*Here's the big twist, Hulk didn't know he was a skrull! But it explains why the nanotech didn't work and his penchant for purple pants.

*Skr-Hulk decides he's very confused and leaves, but not before sleeping with She-Hulk since their no longer cousins.... or are they?

*Ironman wakes up, pulls off his helmet and it's..... Steve Rogers!

*Reed-Skrull removes one "e" and one "r" to reveal he's not a skrull, but a Red Skull!

*Aha! But then Dr. Strange unmasks and is Doom!

*Then Namor is revealed to actually be Tony Stark, futurist, which is why he was right so much lately.

*Stark/Namor uses nanites to depower Doom, but Doom is revealled to be... the real Namor. Who isn't depowered and is now the new king of the Inhumans.

*Meanwhile, Blackbolt says that his voice doesn't really blow stuff up, he just has a stuttering problem and compensates by telekinetically blowing stuff up.

Sentry and Thor come rushing in to save the day but collide killing each other.

*Then out of the shadows, the Void returns, but it's really Norman Osbourne the man behind it all AND claiming to be She-Hulk's real father.

*Finally, Amadeus Cho shows himself to be Franklin Richards from an alternate timeline. His disappointment evident, he blinks this whole silly series out of existence. 616 reboots two days before House of M and Scarlet Witch gets squashed by a rampaging Skr-Hulk.I like your theory, but it still has one tiny flaw. Why would the Skrulls need to spy on Earth when they can make Skrulls as strong as the Skr-Hulk?

[scottieevil]

To keep an eye on all the Peter Parker clones

Who are actually Magento

But not really, because they're really Chinese septuplets pretending to be Magneto

Who is pretending to be Chinese septuplets

Oh and the Cap body in the ice? The real Reed Richards, too bad no one really cares

[P33KAJ3W]

Infinity Gauntlet

[CMBMOOL]

Wish fulfillment much, CMBMOOL? ;)

For the last time The heroes [u]don't agree with Hulk![/i] They don't sympathise with him much, the ones who do think it's not worth blowing up Manhattan for! The ending you name is INCREDIBLY implausible, makes no logical sense, acts totally against the interests of the characters and totally defies the point of all that we've read in WWH so far!

And how does "nearly killing Hulk" make one a worse monster than "nearly killing everry New York super hero, destroying New York and threatening to kill everyone on Earth"?

PLUS I doubt the Illuminati wouild feel guilty. According to you, they should feel real guilty for Hulk destroying half of New York but he should get off scot free?


You do remember that the Hulk DID give the people of New York a chance to leave when he first showed up. :(

Doesn't anyone think that so Unlike him ? :(

[Quinch]

To keep an eye on all the Peter Parker clones


Oh and the Cap body in the ice? The real Reed Richards, too bad no one really cares
I think Namor would care.

Namor versus the Skrulls -
I'd by that crossover.

[Magneto Rocks]

You do remember that the Hulk DID give the people of New York a chance to leave when he first showed up. :(

Doesn't anyone think that so Unlike him ? :(

Yes, you do remember that he still wants to kill three super-heroes and destroy half of New York, regardless of who got in his way.

If Kang the Conqueror showed up over New York and said "Fools! I wish only to destroy Captain America for defeating me in my last invasion! The rest of you may leave, I shall blow up half your city and kill Cap!", do you think the heroes would stand up to defend Kang? Do you think they'd say: "WAIT! He... let the people leave... he must be good."

So in short, one right does not invalidate a wrong, ESPECIALLY when the wrong is so big.

Just like Hulk wants vengeance- a wrong- for a wrong that happened to him. There's an old saying- Two wrongs don't make a right. :D

[scottieevil]

I think Namor would care.



Namor would only care because he could comfort the Widow Richards...

Except she's revealed to actually be......... Jean Grey

The real Invisible Girl is...

Skrull Gwen Stacy's clone

[Rich L]

Theory:

Reed Richards, Hank Pym or Tony Stark (or more likely all of them) come to the realisation that nothing can stop the Hulk - or kill the Hulk - so they come up with a work around: contain the Hulk.

They use pre-existing Hulkbuster tech (remember the nutrient bath thingy that withdrew the Hulk from Banner roundabout #330?) to withdraw the Hulk from Banner - but they need to put him into another vessel, one more likely to contain his unstoppable rage.

They need someone powerful.

Someone experienced with anger.

Someone who won't die and let the Hulk take over again.

Hercules.

Hercules becomes the Hulk's vessel, but they've miscalculated - the Hulk's rage is so strong that he exists as the same personality as previously (not creating a 'new' Hulk as the nutrient bath did in Rick Jones' case) - so the existing Hulk now lives within Hercules - and he's getting harder to contain.


The result? Hercules on the run, trying to contain the Hulk because he knows no-one else can - with Amadeus Cho in tow.


http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/GreenFirdayArt/HULK111_COV_col_solicit.jpg

I like that theory!

[CMBMOOL]

Theory:

Reed Richards, Hank Pym or Tony Stark (or more likely all of them) come to the realisation that nothing can stop the Hulk - or kill the Hulk - so they come up with a work around: contain the Hulk.

They use pre-existing Hulkbuster tech (remember the nutrient bath thingy that withdrew the Hulk from Banner roundabout #330?) to withdraw the Hulk from Banner - but they need to put him into another vessel, one more likely to contain his unstoppable rage.

They need someone powerful.

Someone experienced with anger.

Someone who won't die and let the Hulk take over again.

Hercules.

Hercules becomes the Hulk's vessel, but they've miscalculated - the Hulk's rage is so strong that he exists as the same personality as previously (not creating a 'new' Hulk as the nutrient bath did in Rick Jones' case) - so the existing Hulk now lives within Hercules - and he's getting harder to contain.


The result? Hercules on the run, trying to contain the Hulk because he knows no-one else can - with Amadeus Cho in tow.



So now they have another problem - one of the world's strongest being

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/GreenFirdayArt/HULK111_COV_col_solicit.jpg

I like that theory!


If THAT was the ending and if you added the Soul Gem Dr. Strange held, then it could work for the events ending. :D

It would make the event be worth the money to see it happen. :D

[Spiffy]

Except from a marketing perspective, they will never remove Hulk from Banner for all that long. Maybe for a short haul, but not a long one.

Its like replacing Spider-man. They might tinker, but they'd never pull the trigger for good.

[Rich L]

Except from a marketing perspective, they will never remove Hulk from Banner for all that long. Maybe for a short haul, but not a long one.

Its like replacing Spider-man. They might tinker, but they'd never pull the trigger for good.

Nothing lasts forever in comics - but they could get a year or two out of it.

It's not like we've seen Banner for the past year, anyway - and he was absent for a lot of PAD's original run (and before that); during Fixit's Vegas time, during the 'merged Hulk' time, during the Heroes Reborn time. But if you need Banner in the book, have him run the Hulkbusters tracking the HercHulk. Simple.

Eventually he takes the curse back into himself - but in the meantime, you have a cunning Hulk working against Banner, and for once, they're both in the real world at the same time. Could make for an interesting dynamic.

[reddog]

Yes, you do remember that he still wants to kill three super-heroes and destroy half of New York, regardless of who got in his way.

If Kang the Conqueror showed up over New York and said "Fools! I wish only to destroy Captain America for defeating me in my last invasion! The rest of you may leave, I shall blow up half your city and kill Cap!", do you think the heroes would stand up to defend Kang? Do you think they'd say: "WAIT! He... let the people leave... he must be good."

So in short, one right does not invalidate a wrong, ESPECIALLY when the wrong is so big.

Just like Hulk wants vengeance- a wrong- for a wrong that happened to him. There's an old saying- Two wrongs don't make a right. :D

I really cannot disagree with you on this. All i can say is that if the hulk came down peacefully and sent a cordial message to the illuminati they would hide like scared little girls. He wants the attention of the world on this issue and the illuminati would probably just try to devise a way to rocket him back. They sent the hulk to space knowing what he is and what he's capable of and now they are paying for their decision. I also believe thats why Tony ran in both guns blazing, so he could skirt this under the rug as swiftly as possible with as little damage to his leadership as possible.

[Magneto Rocks]

I really cannot disagree with you on this. All i can say is that if the hulk came down peacefully and sent a cordial message to the illuminati they would hide like scared little girls.

How does this change anything though? Stephen Strange can STILL stay in his house and never come out and Hulk can whine about being strong all he wants, there's no way hulk's coming in.

Iron Man charged up to face him the second he threatened people, so accusing him of cowardice is stupid, if he came down cordially there's no reason to assume Iron Man wouldn't come.

And as for Reed- he's Reed. Either way, he's going to build a giant mechanical cannon.

He wants the attention of the world on this issue and the illuminati would probably just try to devise a way to rocket him back.

I very much doubt it since we've seen absolutely nothing to support that theory.

They sent the hulk to space knowing what he is and what he's capable of and now they are paying for their decision. I also believe thats why Tony ran in both guns blazing, so he could skirt this under the rug as swiftly as possible with as little damage to his leadership as possible.

Then you're basically wrong, because we see inside his head so we know for a FACT- not speculation- that he went in so that no innocents, no other people, were hurt. Try to twist it all you want but Iron Man #19 provides indisputable evidence.

[reddog]

How does this change anything though? Stephen Strange can STILL stay in his house and never come out and Hulk can whine about being strong all he wants, there's no way hulk's coming in.

and they would still be cowards.

Iron Man charged up to face him the second he threatened people, so accusing him of cowardice is stupid, if he came down cordially there's no reason to assume Iron Man wouldn't come.

Lets just charge in with hulkbuster armor and throw some nukes around to protect innocents.

And as for Reed- he's Reed. Either way, he's going to build a giant mechanical cannon.

yep

I very much doubt it since we've seen absolutely nothing to support that theory.

He did'nt just smash

Then you're basically wrong, because we see inside his head so we know for a FACT- not speculation- that he went in so that no innocents, no other people, were hurt. Try to twist it all you want but Iron Man #19 provides indisputable evidence.

Read Iron man 19 still don't see it. Again lets throw some nukes and fist fight the hulk to protect innocents. His speech did'nt really move me as much as it did you so im Sowwy i picked on wittle Tony.

[DaeJi]

Question: is there a real hero in WWH? I mean, honestly both sides of the fence have their good and bad points. Tony and gang were wrong to blast the Hulk off into space and the Hulk was wrong to threaten everyone the way he did. But... Tony did act like a hero and went after the Hulk to protect people and the Hulk is only going after them because of what happened on Sakaar (which may or may be their fault). Which side is the hero side? Really?

[Brad Barton]

Comparing kang the Conquerer's maniacal, World-Dominating intentions to Hulks intentions of revenge and reprisal is downright misleading. That's a very exaggerated parallel you drew there Mags.

I would compare Hulk, at this point, more to Namor attacking the surface world in reprisal for harms done to Atlantis...however immature and irresponsible they may be, Hulk's actions are far more justified than a despot like Kang's could ever be, because:

A.) Hulk has no true intention of harming any civilians, he just wants them to stay out of his way.

B.) Kang would never ask for, or even allow for, New York to be evacuated. I think that's giving the character that we know as Kang too much credit. There's a reason he's called "The Conquerer"

I know you were just drawing a parallel, but it was an extremely slanted one...

[reddog]

Question: is there a real hero in WWH? I mean, honestly both sides of the fence have their good and bad points. Tony and gang were wrong to blast the Hulk off into space and the Hulk was wrong to threaten everyone the way he did. But... Tony did act like a hero and went after the Hulk to protect people and the Hulk is only going after them because of what happened on Sakaar (which may or may be their fault). Which side is the hero side? Really?

Thats the thing you can't really sway one way or the other they are both wrong in equal levels.

[Brad Barton]

Thats the thing you can't really sway one way or the other they are both wrong in equal levels.Yes, I posted a lengthy comment about this some time ago that basically says this same thing: Both Hulk and the Illuminati are justified in certain areas, but guilty in others.

This is a war in the truest sense, in that there are no "Bad guys" or "Good guys" in this conflict, just opposing forces.

[Quinch]

Question: is there a real hero in WWH?

I think Squirrel Girl's Busy unfortunately.





Either way, he's going to build a giant mechanical cannon.


What would Reed Richards do?

Jeopardy you guys call it right?
Do I win?

[Adriel]

I don't really like the Hercules thing.

It's not that I'm so attached to Banner. (I mean, the man has barely been on three pages in the last year.)

But, I don't want Hercules to be the Hulk.

It just feels... wrong to me.

[Kefky]

Theory:

Reed Richards, Hank Pym or Tony Stark (or more likely all of them) come to the realisation that nothing can stop the Hulk - or kill the Hulk - so they come up with a work around: contain the Hulk.

They use pre-existing Hulkbuster tech (remember the nutrient bath thingy that withdrew the Hulk from Banner roundabout #330?) to withdraw the Hulk from Banner - but they need to put him into another vessel, one more likely to contain his unstoppable rage.

They need someone powerful.

Someone experienced with anger.

Someone who won't die and let the Hulk take over again.

Hercules.

Hercules becomes the Hulk's vessel, but they've miscalculated - the Hulk's rage is so strong that he exists as the same personality as previously (not creating a 'new' Hulk as the nutrient bath did in Rick Jones' case) - so the existing Hulk now lives within Hercules - and he's getting harder to contain.


The result? Hercules on the run, trying to contain the Hulk because he knows no-one else can - with Amadeus Cho in tow.


http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/GreenFirdayArt/HULK111_COV_col_solicit.jpg

I like that theory!

That's a pretty cool idea, but too insane to actually happen, I'm afraid.

[CMBMOOL]

I would compare Hulk, at this point, more to Namor attacking the surface world in reprisal for harms done to Atlantis...however immature and irresponsible they may be, Hulk's actions are far more justified than a despot like Kang's could ever be, because:

A.) Hulk has no true intention of harming any civilians, he just wants them to stay out of his way.



I know you were just drawing a parallel, but it was an extremely slanted one...


I think that this maybe one of the reasons of why Namor didn't join up with the Hulk, because it would be a repeat of what Namor often does to the surface world when they threaten Atlantis. :(

[Rich L]

That's a pretty cool idea, but too insane to actually happen, I'm afraid.

Crazier than Rick Jones becoming the Hulk?

Or the Hulk becoming a legbreaker in Vegas?

Or all the Hulks being merged into one?

Or the devil Hulk?

Or...


I agree that it would be unlikely.

But it would be kinda cool, especially with Banner's Hulkbusters after him.

And its not like they don't have history...

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/5549/200/5549_2_1.jpg

God I love that book.

[jigrig]

That's a pretty cool idea, but too insane to actually happen, I'm afraid.

Perhaps there was more to that little "herc smash" joke than any of Us thought.
Maybe They do find a way to disintegrate Hulk & He pulls a Maestro ala Destroyer manuever till They figure out a way to bring Him back.
Either way, I see Marvel bringin Hercules back into the spotlight, if He was in fact ever really there.

[xarathos]

I think WWH may of burned itself out in the first issue. I don't see anything big coming out of this. Somehow I'm not sure if I'll care about it after issue #1. Is there anything better that's going to happen? I don't know.

[CMBMOOL]

That's a pretty cool idea, but too insane to actually happen, I'm afraid.

But once again I'm reminded that Dr. Strange currently own the Soul Gem, so should he try to rip the Hulk and Banner into two, then would the Idea work ? :(

[Quinch]

I think WWH may of burned itself out in the first issue. I don't see anything big coming out of this. Somehow I'm not sure if I'll care about it after issue #1. Is there anything better that's going to happen? I don't know.

How about a good story?

Seriously no offense here but why should a good story have anything cosmos shattering about it? Even if there is it will probably be retconned down the line. I simply don't understand the need for 'Universe shattering revelations' in every 2 issues.

[hyzmarca]

With the Illuminati beaten and broken, Hulk struggles with the decision to finish them off. Killing in battle is one thing, killing the helpless is another altogether. His mental vaccination give the Devil Hulk the opening he's been waiting for. The Devil Hulk takes control and the first thing it does is remove the battered Iron Man's helmet, lean down, and kiss him on the lips - with tongue. Tony Stark passionately returns the Devil Hulk's kiss. It is then revealed that they planned the whole thing together and that they had secretly been lovers for years.

[Brad Barton]

With the Illuminati beaten and broken, Hulk struggles with the decision to finish them off. Killing in battle is one thing, killing the helpless is another altogether. His mental vaccination give the Devil Hulk the opening he's been waiting for. The Devil Hulk takes control and the first thing is does is remove the battered Iron Man's helmet, lean down, and kiss him on the lips - with tongue. Tony Stark passionately returns the Devil Hulk's kiss. It is then revealed that they planned the whole thing together and that they had secretly been lovers for years....it's better than the Hercules-as-Hulk ending.

[miraclemet]

no... more.... gamma


and like that its over.

[Magneto Rocks]

...it's better than the Hercules-as-Hulk ending.


True. The void one too!

[Quinch]

Id love to see Devil Hulk back - nows a good a chance as any- could easily be set up with the story so far.
But if he starts kissing Stark Im just..Im out...ok marvel??
Im ooooooout!

[DaeJi]

I'd pay to see Devil Hulk on Tony action...

[Crimson]

I like the idea of Banner being to blame for the exploding ship so Hulk goes into solitude with the knowledge that maybe he isn't the monster and Banner is the one who is a danger.

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Hulk ends up killing Franklin Richards. Any and all sympathy for Hulk goes out the window and we see what Reed is capable of when he's REALLY p!ssed off! (maybe I'm missing something but aside from a few times where, say, Sue left Reed for Namor we've rarely seen Mr. F in a "REED SMASH!" mood). No Reed can't come close to Hulk in raw strength, but tell me he couldn't come up with some high-tech gimmicks to do the job for him.

Hulk (with or without bodies all around him) is suddenly struck by a bolt of self-realization that with all his rage and hatred "MY GOD, I'VE TURNED INTO MY FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hulk smashes all the heroes on Earth. Then looks above him to see an entire fleet of insert-evil-alien-race-here warships saying "thanks for your help, we'll take it from here." Hulk realizes he's been played big-time.

The whole thing (along with possibly Civil War) turns out to have been orchestrated by the Skrulls (as part of the much-discussed Skrull infiltration) and leads into part 3 of the trilogy, "The Return of the Skrulls".

Heroes bring Hulk 2099 to this era to battle Hulk. Hulk sees Hulk 2099, collapses in a fit of laughter, and is subdued by heroes.

Jarella will be the last Marvel character to not have been brought back from the dead.

[hyzmarca]

If Hulk killed Franklin, then I'm pretty sure that Susan would be the one to do the Smashing. Reed would be infecting the entire planet with deadly levels of Gamma Radiation in an attempt to create a Master Race of Hulks.

[Quinch]

If Hulk killed Franklin, then I'm pretty sure that Susan would be the one to do the Smashing. Reed would be infecting the entire planet with deadly levels of Gamma Radiation in an attempt to create a Master Race of Hulks.

True. Reed Skrul's got some crazy mad scientist stuff going on these days.

And I know Sue is pretty powerful and all but in continuity - not a threat to Hulk in his savage incarnation whatsoever.

[hyzmarca]

That's only because Sue has never been angry and vicious enough to utilize her true potential. Evisceration of the Hulk with several razor-sharp forcefields followed by keeping the pieces in separate skin-tight forcefields so that he doesn't have space to regenerate is possible, though she is too goody-two-shoes to ever eviscerate someone with razor-sharp forcefields.

[DaeJi]

Sue never goes all out on anyone; she's too noble for that. Now, if the Hulk kills her children she would rip him apart from the inside, atom by painful atom.

[Quinch]

Yeah Im not saying she would be a walkover but simply the amount of strain he has put her forecfields under in the past have KO'd her when he wasn't even that enraged. If she attempted his body then there would be some serious feedback.
A very very brutal fight and the result is a toss up but whatever happens it would be over in about 5 seconds.

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Yeah Im not saying she would be a walkover but simply the amount of strain he has put her forecfields under in the past have KO'd her when he wasn't even that enraged. If she attempted his body then there would be some serious feedback.
A very very brutal fight and the result is a toss up but whatever happens it would be over in about 5 seconds.

Actually, all she has to do is put a "micro-shield" in his cranium, expand it to full-size, gray (green) matter flies everywhere, and it's "Game Over".
Granted though that'd end the series REAL quick so it'll never happen (at least not in the 616 universe).

[Lantern_Kinsey]

If Richards is a skrull, then where is the real one? That might be enough to make her snap, maybe not at Hulk, but definatly at something. (Skrulls!)

[Titanium]

Hulk wins. Sort of.

He gets the Illuminati, but not the way he expected. Xavier goes willingly after the Hulk beats the X-men or he forces them to stop fighting. He already has Black Bolt. Reed Richards will probably give himself up, offering to find out why his ship exploded because according to him it wasn't any of their faults.

Tony Stark is going to go all out and try to fight the hulk, he's not going to try to come to any agreement with him, he has a bunch of nanobots, gamma corps, robots, hulkbusters, and initiative members and he's ready to use them all. Hulk will revert to Bruce when Tony sticks him with the needle but Bruce, having made his peace with his existence on Sakaar and given into to the Hulk thinking they could both be happy finally, is equally pissed as the Hulk and chews out Tony, all being televised, then going with the theme Tony always underestimates his enemies because he's so sure he's always right, he Hulks out, proving they weren't calibrated for the Hulk's levels at all or even close now that he's so pissed. Hulk then rips the armor off tony and takes him aboard his ship.

It's Doctor Strange though, that will end the war with the hulk. After all the Illuminati members are taken aboard, Dr. Strange appears on the ship and magically transports everyone to the planet hulk was supposed to go, so they can all face the Trial by the Incredible Hulk and face up to their attempts at playing god with humanity.


Also I'm going to call it that the Bugs with him defect and betray Hulk, turning out to really be there to take over everything with a new Brood world. Hulk, angered at their betrayal, kills them. Korg, decides to stay on the planet, waiting for his chance at fighting Thor.

With the Illuminati gone, the Skrull imposters go nuts and everything's thrown into chaos.

[Vulgar]

I pray Black Bolt comes back and kicks some ass. Soon as he starts getting a big push he gets taken out off panel. I know it had to happen for the story ,but give him a chance to redeem himself. If not him I want someone completley out of left field to win it, like Ant man or a zombie Jack of Hearts.

[ivesaidway2much]

That's only because Sue has never been angry and vicious enough to utilize her true potential. Evisceration of the Hulk with several razor-sharp forcefields followed by keeping the pieces in separate skin-tight forcefields so that he doesn't have space to regenerate is possible, though she is too goody-two-shoes to ever eviscerate someone with razor-sharp forcefields.Skin tight is a waste. Bruce Banner already draws matter out of nothing when he turns into the Hulk. Eventually each piece of the Hulk would outgrow the forcefield. If she made the force fields bigger at least we'd finally have the age old question of whether multiple Hulks would form from each piece or if they would just stop regenerating at some point.

Actually, all she has to do is put a "micro-shield" in his cranium, expand it to full-size, gray (green) matter flies everywhere, and it's "Game Over".
Granted though that'd end the series REAL quick so it'll never happen (at least not in the 616 universe).In Hulk: Future Imperfect we find out that the Hulk's skull is as hard if not harder than Adamantium. And since he can survive both in space and at the bottom of the sea, the Hulk must be virtually impervious to pressure changes. I would think Sue's best chance is to scatter pieces of the Hulk as far as she possibly can to give Reed time to work on his BFG.

[Quinch]

The thing is - everytime Sue has used her forcefield in a defensive way to stop Hulk pounding on Reed etc the feedback nearly killed her.

Imagine the feedback of trying to attack the inside of Hulks skull. We know that the insides of Hulk (unlike supes) are just as invulnerable and rapidly healing. Sure she might get away with it when he's calm - but Savage or Gravage at max rage? I'm still saying its a 50/50 toss up who gets ripped apart.
And if it IS Hulk - he'll just reform eventually.

[scottieevil]

I'm thinking the "Dr. Strange goes too far" thing gets Rick killed. I think he's trying to burrow into Hulk's head and the only opportunities will be when Rick's around. I think a Warbound will kill him thinking he's an enemy.

[tavella]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.


That would be... a non-annoying ending. Which means it won't happen.

[CaptainCanada]

I honestly don't know how someone could think that the Hulk is being set up for anything other than a dive in the final issue at the Sentry's hands; this is really the classic superhero setup, slightly modified: the raging monster, the One Hero Who Can Beat Him, reluctance to engage (for whatever reason), and, finally, and most importantly, the fact that all the fights the Hulk has had so far completely lack any drama. The Hulk is portrayed as an utterly unstoppable force; if he was actually battling hard to get what he wants, I might think otherwise, but there's really no dramatic reason to frame the conflict like this unless the Hulk loses in the end.

[Chubber]

I still think Hulk will find out that it was someone in the warbound that made the ship explode on Sakaar (probably Brood).

[Murphay]

Betty Ross shows up in an apron holding a plate of cookies and a glass of milk. The Hulk is overcome with a sense of calm, sits down, eats the cookies with Betty, and decides not to destroy the world after all.

[Quinch]

I'm thinking the "Dr. Strange goes too far" thing gets Rick killed. I think he's trying to burrow into Hulk's head and the only opportunities will be when Rick's around. I think a Warbound will kill him thinking he's an enemy.

Ok would Hulk just explode then taking out New York and Eastern seaboard?

I'm just not quite sure how he could react being any madder than he is already. He's already drooling and attacking pavement. What next?

[Quinch]

Betty Ross shows up in an apron holding a plate of cookies and a glass of milk. The Hulk is overcome with a sense of calm, sits down, eats the cookies with Betty, and decides not to destroy the world after all.

Dunno. If they wheel her frozen corpse out with a telekenetic and a ventroluiquist for dinner then kill Rick....

Yeah I think Hulk might actually eat the Earth.

[Brad Barton]

My brother is completely convinced that Betty's re-emergence will end the whole thing. She'll show up and give Bruce the motivation he need's to take back control, thus ending Hulk's rampage.

At first I said "Nah, no way they'd have Betty come back when this whole thing is supposedly about Caiera..." then I stopped and thought about it...

Caiera was Hulk's wife.

Betty is Bruce's wife.

There's a Huge difference there.

Not to mention, who just made their grand, double-splash page re-emergence at the end of WWH #2?

The plot thickens...;)

[tavella]

My brother is completely convinced that Betty's re-emergence will end the whole thing. She'll show up and give Bruce the motivation he need's to take back control, thus ending Hulk's rampage.

It's possible, but that would really be anticlimatic. It's been done so many times, it'd feel like a rehash.

[Dr DMX]

Im thinking Hulk smashes everyone and everything, but shows mercy just to prove Stark and the others wrong.

Stark gets exposed... not only for how he handeled the Hulk, but also everything else. Sure Reed is smarter, but Tony is much more manipulative, and a genius himself. Hes coming off alot like Dr. Doom, so it wouldnt be to hard to see him gaining Reeds buy in like he has. If you remember, Reed, while trapped in Dooms Armor became a futurist like Doom, and began planning just like Stark seems to be doing.

Only other way I see it ending is that The Hulk will some how get incapacitated, either by Rick, The Sentry, or Nanobots.. but ultimately Starks repuation goes from White Hat to Black Hat.

[madrox1977]

Stark exposed.....yes please
Betty Returns.....no thank you
Hulk tackled by emergency services and builders then gives up...no again
Hulk kills and eats Sally Floyd all the heroes agree she was annoying and let him live his life peacefully....yeah i'll go with that one.

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Betty Ross shows up in an apron holding a plate of cookies and a glass of milk. The Hulk is overcome with a sense of calm, sits down, eats the cookies with Betty, and decides not to destroy the world after all.

Then something disrupting happens, the Betty Ross image fades and Glorian's there going "Oh Sh*t...."
You can probably guess what happens next.

[Morw]

Considering this is comic's. Dr. strang is going to bring back one one who can stopp Hulk. His wife. Or to make it a feat to rember, the whole planet with his wife.

[Magneto Rocks]

Personally I generally hate all overpowered heroes from Sentry to Hulk. There are exceptions- Thor has a whole world of his own, the mystical etc and a brilliant rogues gallery so that makes him work, plus in general his power is tempered right.

The second we get a hero who can defeat Galactus or punch out the Watcher, we've gotten FAR too ridiulous. A villain I can take, provided it's very rare, but a hero? No, the hero's challenge should be that their foes are always above them, they always need to struggle against the odds. At least Sentry has the interesting mental dynamic, but it's one of the big reasons I hate Hulk- his villains basically suck next to him.

The exception here is Doom/Reed, because that's a deep and very complex relationship totally based around the hero being "better" in some respect than the villain.

[roundman]

The Celestials return to judge Humanity, Thor, the Hulk, and the Sentry team up and beat them, and half of the people on this site have heart attacks.

[roundman]

I honestly don't know how someone could think that the Hulk is being set up for anything other than a dive in the final issue at the Sentry's hands; this is really the classic superhero setup, slightly modified: the raging monster, the One Hero Who Can Beat Him, reluctance to engage (for whatever reason), and, finally, and most importantly, the fact that all the fights the Hulk has had so far completely lack any drama.

I just think that everyone's in denial because most people (myself included) dislike the Sentry. I hate his deus ex machina powers, and I hate the fact he's trying to be sold to us as having been an integral part of the Marvel universe since the beginning of 616, just that we didn't know it because of a massive mind wipe. Lame, IMO. It seems as though the Marvel editorship wants to force him on us, though.

Marvel doesn't need Superman. If we wanted to read a Superman story, we'd buy a Superman comic. Superman only works IMO because he's been around for 70 years and everyone accepts that he's the comic character. That's why he can exist as a walking deus ex machina and still have a readership. Adding the Sentry, giving him these powers, and then trying to force us to accept that he's always been around is irritating to many.

My only hope is that WWH mirrors a famous DC story: the Death of Superman. Hulk is Doomsday to Sentry's Superman. Hulk ends up killing Sentry in a rage, then, when confronted with the murder of his friend, he leaves Earth altogether saddend by his acitons nd disgusted by humanity, traveling the Universe with his Warbound.

Hulk would work as a cosmic character & warlord (maybe he could even become the avatar of the Power gem), and the Sentry will be gone, much to the delight of Marvel readers in general.

[ivesaidway2much]

Personally I generally hate all overpowered heroes from Sentry to Hulk. There are exceptions- Thor has a whole world of his own, the mystical etc and a brilliant rogues gallery so that makes him work, plus in general his power is tempered right.Since when was the Hulk a hero? While being really powerful can certainly lead to people losing interest in them (i.e. Thor getting canceled), the Hulk rises above that. He's not a hero, not a villian, he's not even really an anti-hero. IMO the Hulk is one of Marvel's deepest and most versatile characters. For instance, it would be unusual to see Cyclops walking down an NY street just minding his business and then see Spider-man or the Human Torch just start fighting him. For the Hulk that would be Tuesday. Then the following month he could stop the next evil plot of the Red Skull or declare himself ruler of some small part of the U.S.A. to combat corruption there and it would all be perfectly normal for the Hulk. I mean, how many other characters could display 3+ distinct personalities in two separate books (Inc Hulk and the Defenders) with no explanation like the Hulk did in 2001, and yet few people even consider it a big deal?

At least Sentry has the interesting mental dynamicYes. He's a geeky guy with this dark, powerful force inside of him. Something he's not sure he can control, and he's afraid could one day become some unstoppable engine of destruction. Gosh that's so original. Marvel has never had a guy like that before.

The second we get a hero who can defeat Galactus or punch out the Watcher, we've gotten FAR too ridiulous. A villain I can take, provided it's very rare, but a hero? No, the hero's challenge should be that their foes are always above them, they always need to struggle against the odds. ,[....] but it's one of the big reasons I hate Hulk- his villains basically suck next to him. Are you kidding? The Hulk probably has the biggest rogues gallery in all of comics. Not only does he have those from his own book like the UFO's, the Abomination, and Wendigo. But he gets Dr. Strange's villains like Umar, Dormammu, and Nightmare through the Defenders. And he gets everyone's powerhouse rogues like Rhino from Spider-man and Gladiator and Juggernaut from the X-men. In addition to that he has almost weekly bouts with Marvel's heroes. He's fought guys like Thor, Thing, Spider-man, and Wolverine nearly as many times as he's battled anyone from his own rogues gallery. He's fought just about all of Marvel's long established at least semi-popular heroes/anti-heroes, and for most of them he's done it more than once. Being a hero and villain opens up tons of fight possibilities.

I can understand why people might not like the Hulk. Obviously not everyone is going to be a fan of his. But if there is one thing the Hulk is not, at least character-wise, it's limited. Seriously, the guy has 5 different main personalities (Banner, Savage, Gray, Merged/Professor, and Grayvage) that have been pretty much fully embraced by his fanbase. And another one may be on the way after WWH. The Hulk has still got tons of untapped story potential.

The exception here is Doom/Reed, because that's a deep and very complex relationship totally based around the hero being "better" in some respect than the villain.Then you should love the Hulk, too. He already knows he's better than Doom.
http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1299/HulkDoom1.jpg
And Doom even begrudgingly admits that in some ways he is inferior...
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/8043/intelligenceunparalleled2qa.jpg

[Man In Black]

come on, we all know how this thing will end.......two words- Northstar + Enchantress......once we get Northstar to fall in love with the Hulk, he will be 6 different shades of gone.

[Brad Barton]

Since when was the Hulk a hero? While being really powerful can certainly lead to people losing interest in them (i.e. Thor getting canceled), the Hulk rises above that. He's not a hero, not a villian, he's not even really an anti-hero. IMO the Hulk is one of Marvel's deepest and most versatile characters. For instance, it would be unusual to see Cyclops walking down an NY street just minding his business and then see Spider-man or the Human Torch just start fighting him. For the Hulk that would be Tuesday. Then the following month he could stop the next evil plot of the Red Skull or declare himself ruler of some small part of the U.S.A. to combat corruption there and it would all be perfectly normal for the Hulk. I mean, how many other characters could display 3+ distinct personalities in two separate books (Inc Hulk and the Defenders) with no explanation like the Hulk did in 2001, and yet few people even consider it a big deal?

Yes. He's a geeky guy with this dark, powerful force inside of him. Something he's not sure he can control, and he's afraid could one day become some unstoppable engine of destruction. Gosh that's so original. Marvel has never had a guy like that before.

Are you kidding? The Hulk probably has the biggest rogues gallery in all of comics. Not only does he have those from his own book like the UFO's, the Abomination, and Wendigo. But he gets Dr. Strange's villains like Umar, Dormammu, and Nightmare through the Defenders. And he gets everyone's powerhouse rogues like Rhino from Spider-man and Gladiator and Juggernaut from the X-men. In addition to that he has almost weekly bouts with Marvel's heroes. He's fought guys like Thor, Thing, Spider-man, and Wolverine nearly as many times as he's battled anyone from his own rogues gallery. He's fought just about all of Marvel's long established at least semi-popular heroes/anti-heroes, and for most of them he's done it more than once. Being a hero and villain opens up tons of fight possibilities.

I can understand why people might not like the Hulk. Obviously not everyone is going to be a fan of his. But if there is one thing the Hulk is not, at least character-wise, it's limited. Seriously, the guy has 5 different main personalities (Banner, Savage, Gray, Merged/Professor, and Grayvage) that have been pretty much fully embraced by his fanbase. And another one may be on the way after WWH. The Hulk has still got tons of untapped story potential.

Then you should love the Hulk, too. He already knows he's better than Doom.
http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1299/HulkDoom1.jpg
And Doom even begrudgingly admits that in some ways he is inferior...
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/8043/intelligenceunparalleled2qa.jpgGreat post, way2much...after I saw Mags' ridiculously biased Hulk comments, I was all jazzed up to come on here and discredit them all, then I scrolled down a little further and saw that you beat me to the punch.

this part:
I can understand why people might not like the Hulk. Obviously not everyone is going to be a fan of his. But if there is one thing the Hulk is not, at least character-wise, it's limited.Is spot on, and exactly right. No one is saying you must be a fan of the Hulk, but don't distort or discredit the character to back your opinion...

[drupgyu]

Great post, way2much...after I saw Mags' ridiculously biased Hulk comments, I was all jazzed up to come on here and discredit them all, then I scrolled down a little further and saw that you beat me to the punch.

this part:
Is spot on, and exactly right. No one is saying you must be a fan of the Hulk, but don't distort or discredit the character to back your opinion...

I agree with both of these posts(beetheb and way2). The Hulk has a depth that many other characters just don't have.

[redfern]

I heard a theory on the CBs which I think is a good one...

The Hulk continues to come across as a monster in WWH right up until the end (answering the question posed in IH #110). But in his fight with the Sentry, the Void will be unleashed which now threatens the entire planet. The Void gives the Hulk a simple choice, stay out of the way or be the first to die. With the Illuminati and most of the major heroes now fallen to the Hulk, there is now little to stop the Void.

The Hulk is now at a crossroads, where he takes a hard look at his place in the world and finds that he still cares about humanity (Cho's words "He may hate us, but he saves us anyway." ringing true once more). But now he must face his greatest fear as well and a brutal battle ensues which finally sees the Hulk emerging the victor, redeeming himself in the eyes of many of the heroes.

But the Hulk himself will not be so quick to forgive, but is willing to end the war and takes what remains of his people to either the sanctuary Cho set up or back to Sakaar.

This is an ending I wouldn't like to see. The Void should be used sparingly and it doesn't seem that long ago that he was tossed into the sun. Also , Void hates the Hulk so he would probably be the first person to get attacked anyway, leaving Hulk little choice in the matter.

My preferred ending would see Juggernaut get back to full power and save the world by beating an enraged Hulk to a pulp :)

But I know that ain't going to happen :(

[Skagop]

I don't know if this is the proper place to ask this and don't know if it has been discussed before but when Hulk fights Sentry does anyone think he will somehow bring the Spikes back and sic them on Sentry? I feel like this is possible after reading Planet Hulk because Sentry seems like the kind of thing they would be attracted to (Sentry has the powers of however many exploding suns and the Spikes are latch onto stars). If this doesn't happen I don't know if Hulk could beat Sentry even at his current power level.

[ComicCollector777]

Ohhh...good point about the spikes but I don't think Marvel will use them so soon...but if the Spikes show up...the Hulk would win.

[Bulky Brent]

Ohhh...good point about the spikes but I don't think Marvel will use them so soon...but if the Spikes show up...the Hulk would win.
Most definetely it's just way to soon

[ComicCollector777]

Most definetely it's just way to soon

Yeah, I agree with you.

[ComicCollector777]

Most definetely it's just way to soon

Yeah, I agree with you.

[Wally_West]

One thing has struck me as interesting, and that is how no one is bringing up the bomb. Xavier knows that the planet was bombed, but it isn't revealed as to who planted it there. My speculation, is that in order for Marvel to lead WWH into the next major event (is it still the skrulls thing?), it will be revealed that the bomb was planted by someone with an ulterior motive, possibly a skrull agent who wants to turn hulk against earth.

Currently, we are in issue 2 of WWH, and already Hulk has beat the crap out of everyone...The Sentry fight will maybe last another issue or 2, depending on how much marvel feels like copying Dragonball Z. Dr. Strange will maybe be half an issue worth of fighting. That leaves about another issue and a half, and we are talking about how this event will end. What better way to tie it into the next event than have Hulk kill someone, or about to kill someone who reveals that they were a skrull agent that planted a bomb on the ship that blew up Sakaar?

I mean, if the skrulls have already infiltrated earth's superheroes, then theres obviously some ingenious masterplan that they have cooked up. Of course, the flaw here would be if the skrulls wanted to turn the hulk against planet earth, how would they (being the skrulls) contain him? But those are still my thoughts.

[Quinch]

Good thoughts and there have been some interesting skrull points brought up already . Have a look back through the *Hulk was set up thread* where i say something very similar to you.

[Brad Barton]

Good thoughts and there have been some interesting skrull points brought up already . Have a look back through the *Hulk was set up thread* where i say something very similar to you.Hmm, now you've got me curious but I'm too lazy to go look, you should quote it here.

They've more or less already said next years "Skrull-o-Rama" will directly tie into WWH, haven't they?

[Quinch]

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=182736
There ya go.
Just add Reeds lack of knowledge of who Clea was to my list of mounting evidence and you're good to go :D

[ComicCollector777]

So its "confirmed" that Marvel is going the "Skrulls" route? IMO that could be the only way to redeem Tony and Reed...but somehow IMO it cheapens the "moral" conflict of CW.

[ocelotrevs]

After he's finished laying the Smackdown on everybody, he'll turn into Bruce Banner, with Bruce having no memory of what has taken place.

[ComicCollector777]

I think most of the Warbound may die - especially Miek.

[CMBMOOL]

I just think that everyone's in denial because most people (myself included) dislike the Sentry. I hate his deus ex machina powers, and I hate the fact he's trying to be sold to us as having been an integral part of the Marvel universe since the beginning of 616, just that we didn't know it because of a massive mind wipe. Lame, IMO. It seems as though the Marvel editorship wants to force him on us, though.

Marvel doesn't need Superman. If we wanted to read a Superman story, we'd buy a Superman comic. Superman only works IMO because he's been around for 70 years and everyone accepts that he's the comic character. That's why he can exist as a walking deus ex machina and still have a readership. Adding the Sentry, giving him these powers, and then trying to force us to accept that he's always been around is irritating to many.

My only hope is that WWH mirrors a famous DC story: the Death of Superman. Hulk is Doomsday to Sentry's Superman. Hulk ends up killing Sentry in a rage, then, when confronted with the murder of his friend, he leaves Earth altogether saddend by his acitons nd disgusted by humanity, traveling the Universe with his Warbound.

Hulk would work as a cosmic character & warlord (maybe he could even become the avatar of the Power gem), and the Sentry will be gone, much to the delight of Marvel readers in general.

Now that isn't a half-bad of an idea. :o

[Tusko]

The Hulk is a tragedy above all other things. His story snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

The Hulk will battle and win only to lose all his friends, technology, support and focus.

I wonder if they could even kill this focused King Hulk, but leave Banner, Gray Hulk and the others untouched.

[DaeJi]

I just think that everyone's in denial because most people (myself included) dislike the Sentry. I hate his deus ex machina powers, and I hate the fact he's trying to be sold to us as having been an integral part of the Marvel universe since the beginning of 616, just that we didn't know it because of a massive mind wipe. Lame, IMO. It seems as though the Marvel editorship wants to force him on us, though.

Marvel doesn't need Superman. If we wanted to read a Superman story, we'd buy a Superman comic. Superman only works IMO because he's been around for 70 years and everyone accepts that he's the comic character. That's why he can exist as a walking deus ex machina and still have a readership. Adding the Sentry, giving him these powers, and then trying to force us to accept that he's always been around is irritating to many.

My only hope is that WWH mirrors a famous DC story: the Death of Superman. Hulk is Doomsday to Sentry's Superman. Hulk ends up killing Sentry in a rage, then, when confronted with the murder of his friend, he leaves Earth altogether saddend by his acitons nd disgusted by humanity, traveling the Universe with his Warbound.

Hulk would work as a cosmic character & warlord (maybe he could even become the avatar of the Power gem), and the Sentry will be gone, much to the delight of Marvel readers in general.

Of all the ending proposed this is so far the best one, by far. The Sentry's gone, the Illumnati and Hulk are jerks, the cosmos gets a fun new character and the Sentry's gone!

[wildcardv2]

I just think that everyone's in denial because most people (myself included) dislike the Sentry. I hate his deus ex machina powers, and I hate the fact he's trying to be sold to us as having been an integral part of the Marvel universe since the beginning of 616, just that we didn't know it because of a massive mind wipe. Lame, IMO. It seems as though the Marvel editorship wants to force him on us, though.

Marvel doesn't need Superman. If we wanted to read a Superman story, we'd buy a Superman comic. Superman only works IMO because he's been around for 70 years and everyone accepts that he's the comic character. That's why he can exist as a walking deus ex machina and still have a readership. Adding the Sentry, giving him these powers, and then trying to force us to accept that he's always been around is irritating to many.

My only hope is that WWH mirrors a famous DC story: the Death of Superman. Hulk is Doomsday to Sentry's Superman. Hulk ends up killing Sentry in a rage, then, when confronted with the murder of his friend, he leaves Earth altogether saddened by his actions and disgusted by humanity, traveling the Universe with his Warbound.

Hulk would work as a cosmic character & warlord (maybe he could even become the avatar of the Power gem), and the Sentry will be gone, much to the delight of Marvel readers in general.

Aside from my "skrull create a sentry clone" theory...

I think I would really enjoy Hulk as universe traveler, but what are they gonna do with all the refugees of sakaar?? I really don't want em to go "splat" for no reason... :(

[Maestro]

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[Brad Barton]

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6973/1185879699928yk8.jpgOoh, that was dirty pool, right there man.

And ya had to make it Tony...:p

[wildcardv2]

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Where the @*#& did you pick that up?

[Brad Barton]

Where the @*#& did you pick that up?The panel is from Incredible Hulk #419, Hulk is fighting Talos the Untamed (a Skrull super warrior dude) and decides that instead of killing Talos, he'd...erm...do that instead, to get Talos to back off and leave the planet.

The dialogue is pretty close to the same, except in the original it said "Talos" instead of "Tony".

[Maestro]

The panel is from Incredible Hulk #419, Hulk is fighting Talos the Untamed (a Skrull super warrior dude) and decides that instead of killing Talos, he'd...erm...do that instead, to get Talos to back off and leave the planet.

The dialogue is pretty close to the same, except in the original it said "Talos" instead of "Tony".

No it's a scan from WWH #5... I swear!

[wildcardv2]

The panel is from Incredible Hulk #419, Hulk is fighting Talos the Untamed (a Skrull super warrior dude) and decides that instead of killing Talos, he'd...erm...do that instead, to get Talos to back off and leave the planet.

The dialogue is pretty close to the same, except in the original it said "Talos" instead of "Tony".

Oh thank god... for a minute there I lost every iota of liking I had of Marvel :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Brad Barton]

No it's a scan from WWH #5... I swear!Come on man, you can't post a faux Hulk panel in the Hulk forum and not expect someone to pick up on it. ;)

[Trey]

Don't know if anyone posted this, but I believe we will have 2 Hulk personas after WWH #5. The "Rage Hulk", who will be a red Hulk, split off from the green hulk after the Hulk/Sentry clash. This red Hulk will be defeated by the Green Hulk and the other heroes, afterwards the Banner persona comes back.

The red Hulk will survive and take his warbound with him. Together they will plot vengence on the Green Scar, to return to Earth and menace the Banner/Hulk in the future.

This speculation is based on interviews where they have said we will know the true color of rage, which of course is red.

Its fitting for the split to occur, as Banner was never in love with Caiera and it was all Hulk on Sakaar, correct?

[Quinch]

The panel is from Incredible Hulk #419, Hulk is fighting Talos the Untamed (a Skrull super warrior dude) and decides that instead of killing Talos, he'd...erm...do that instead, to get Talos to back off and leave the planet.

The dialogue is pretty close to the same, except in the original it said "Talos" instead of "Tony".

Er why didn't he just want to smash Talos?

[tjarvis]

You know, I almost have to think that the Illuminati have to find a way to get back into the picture as well, that it won't just come down to the Sentry vs. the Hulk.

Do you think it's possible that Tony could use the Extremis to essentially hack the obediance disks? After all, we've seen he can hack alien technology when he got into the stone ship's code for a few moments in WWH#1, and that the Extremis is still working in Iron Man #20.

If so, I could see Tony overriding the obediance disks at a few key moment in the Hulk vs. Sentry fight, and the Warbound suddenly being confronted by a unified and very pissed off Illuminati.

[jigrig]

Er why didn't he just want to smash Talos?

He was known as Talos the Tamed by his peers for what reason I cant remember but Banner Hulk decided to make Him look tough & Badass so His fellow skrulls would split this popcicle stand called Earth.
It worked & Hulk still had'nt killed anyone.
Still has'nt for that matter.

[K Von Doom]

The World of Warcraft player in me laughed when I read Dr Strange say "Run, the Shadow Priest is coming!" Dude! You're a mage!

[Magneto Rocks]

You know, I almost have to think that the Illuminati have to find a way to get back into the picture as well, that it won't just come down to the Sentry vs. the Hulk.

Do you think it's possible that Tony could use the Extremis to essentially hack the obediance disks? After all, we've seen he can hack alien technology when he got into the stone ship's code for a few moments in WWH#1, and that the Extremis is still working in Iron Man #20.

If so, I could see Tony overriding the obediance disks at a few key moment in the Hulk vs. Sentry fight, and the Warbound suddenly being confronted by a unified and very pissed off Illuminati.

That would be pretty awesome but I can't see Pak wanting to take focus off the main event.

Don't know if anyone posted this, but I believe we will have 2 Hulk personas after WWH #5. The "Rage Hulk", who will be a red Hulk, split off from the green hulk after the Hulk/Sentry clash. This red Hulk will be defeated by the Green Hulk and the other heroes, afterwards the Banner persona comes back.

The red Hulk will survive and take his warbound with him. Together they will plot vengence on the Green Scar, to return to Earth and menace the Banner/Hulk in the future.

This speculation is based on interviews where they have said we will know the true color of rage, which of course is red.

...You know, that's not at all a bad thought. Hulk kinda turning into a "Red Hulk" which hearkens back to the "Red King" as well as being the colour of rage etc... not implausible, actually...

[Barnaby]

Hulk will fight the Sentry for the final showdown. Before engaging the Hulk, the Sentry will release the Iluminatti/Avengers which will engage the Warbound.

The Iluminatti/Avengers will kick the Warbound's @rses and the Sentry will beat the Hulk to a pulp. In his last attempt to defeat the Sentry the Hulk will eventaually hurt Rick Jones accidentally (who was trying to convince the Sentry to stop hurting the Hulk) and realizes that he has gone too far. In the end he willl self-exile himself.

I don't know... my 2 cents.
:evilsmile

[ComicCollector777]

Hulk will fight the Sentry for the final showdown. Before engaging the Hulk, the Sentry will release the Iluminatti/Avengers which will engage the Warbound.

The Iluminatti/Avengers will kick the Warbound's @rses and the Sentry will beat the Hulk to a pulp. In his last attempt to defeat the Sentry the Hulk will eventaually hurt Rick Jones accidentally (who was trying to convince the Sentry to stop hurting the Hulk) and realizes that he has gone too far. In the end he willl self-exile himself.

I don't know... my 2 cents.
:evilsmile

Extremely good take, dude...extremely good take...

[4thHorseman]

The bomb that blew up on the ship will be found to be from one of the warbound...possibly Miek.

[me_am_bizarro]

Wouldn't it be just AMAZING if the Scarlet Witch rebooted the Marvel Universe to pre-Disassembled, "solving" all the plot lines dreamed up by Bendis in the last 4 years, thereby insuring that Marvel made a ton of cash over said 4 years and gets to milk us all for some more dough during the next few years! YES!!!

Sigh...I think I'll reread Invincible again.

[valen311]

I know a lot of people are yelling for Tony Stark's head on a platter at the end of this but I doubt it'll happen. As much as I hate the guy (and I know MR will chastise me) for his stance and role during what I read of Civil War, Tony Stark is kind of important, being the director of S.H.I.E.L.D and all.
As for the Hulk, I really hope he finds whoever it is that destroyed Sakaar and rains holy hell on him/her. Because, you know, I was really pulling for a Caiera/Hulk romance.
Yeah, that's right, I said it. "Hulk" and "romance" in the same sentence.

[Ben Morgan]

What other characters are out there that could stop the Hulk? What's the Silver Surfer doing? Everyone's talking about Thor being the only other one who can stop the Hulk besides Sentry, but who else is out there?

[Samuraixsithlord]

The Hulk will turn back into Bruce Banner so he can fight Iron Man one on one in the big gladiator arena. The Sentry will come and free the Avengers and the Illumnati. Thry'll fight the Hulk and the Warbound. During the fight the Hulk will realize that Vengence isn't right and he will never see justice done for the destruction of his home world but he'll find comfort in the fact that Starks little Superhero empire is ready to crumble around him and that nothing the Hulk does will be as painful as when that happens. So the Hulk will take the Stone ship and his friends and settle in the Savage land to rebuild a new sakaar. Everyone will now hate the Illumanati and they loose credibility.

The final few pages will show the Skrull?? leadership/whoevers in charge stating that while the Hulk didn't kill the Illumanati as planned (They blew up the Hulks ship which led to WWH) they can still salvage the whole thing for the big crossover nest summer