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reddog
06-30-2007, 10:20 PM
If you could what would you change at marvel. It could be their story direction or marketing or anything you can think of.

reddog
06-30-2007, 10:23 PM
I screwed up I wanted to put this in the Marvel Universe Thread

1WEBHEAD
06-30-2007, 11:10 PM
Even though Captain America lost in Civil War and is dead, I sorta wished that Marvel didn't paint Iron Man as the villian and Cap as the selfless hero.

I would have put some dirt on Cap's shoes to shake things up.

I would have also put Gage on more Civil War one shots and tie ins, his one shot special was brilliant!:D

I'm also dissappointed in Marvel for not attempting to clone hundreds of Ed Brubakers. I know that he's just one person and he can't write every book but that's why we need clones!!!

So we could get a weekly Iron Fist, Captain America, and Daredevil comicbook!!!!!!:D

We'll clone the pencillers if we have to!

Icefalcon
07-01-2007, 05:33 AM
I would put an artist who can draw on Avengers. Yu's art is so bad it's painful.

Omega Alpha
07-01-2007, 10:14 AM
Make the mutant community reborn with millions of people again. Decimation was absolutely awful.

a-spidey
07-01-2007, 10:30 AM
i would make "sins past" and "the other" never happened.

and this "heroes reborn" wasn't worth it either

Omega Alpha
07-01-2007, 10:33 AM
i would make "sins past" and "the other" never happened.

and this "heroes reborn" wasn't worth it either

Great choices.

rZi
07-01-2007, 10:48 AM
I would put an artist who can draw on Avengers. Yu's art is so bad it's painful.

AMEN!

I would tinker with little bits of spider-history (too many to describe) but he would NOT have organic webbing as a result of a stupid movie tie-in.

Hulk would always be portrayed as a savage and dumb beat...none of the way Pak is writing him now.

The x-community would be reborn with all the mutants having their powers back.

I would change the new avengers line-up so it was less "super-star" and more background characters got the spotlight.

Morw
07-01-2007, 11:16 AM
Dead would mean dead.

Magneto Rocks
07-01-2007, 11:21 AM
I'd replace Brian Bendis with Mark Millar on both Avengers titles. And lock up an exclusive with Millar, whatever the cost.

Kevinroc
07-01-2007, 11:27 AM
I'd replace Brian Bendis with Mark Millar on both Avengers titles. And lock up an exclusive with Millar, whatever the cost.

Isn't Millar under an exclusive?

Mister Mets
07-01-2007, 12:22 PM
I think much of this is happening anyway.

1. Revamp Ultimate line. New creators on X-Men/ Fantastic Four.
2. No more Spider-Man marriage.
3. A list Spider-Man creative teams.
4. Brubaker has six months to tie up loose ends on Uncanny X-Men, before going to Spider-Man.
5. Less "big" events. I wouldn't get rid of them all, but there are too many at Marvel at the moment.

The big change I'd do is to exclusive contracts, stipulating that creators must produce a set amount of issues while under contract (and the contract is extended if they're unable to do so).

Rather than a set period of time, I'd want the exclusive contract to include the amount of issues expected from the creator (ie- a three year deal with Millar expects 75 issues of completed work before he can do anything for another company). Kevin Smith, Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch all did less work than was expected from them when they signed their contracts, which will be a problem if any of them "jump ship".

MAK15
07-01-2007, 12:31 PM
since this is in the 'Avengers' section, Ill stick with avengers topics.

1. Add Beast to Mighty
2. Define Jessica Jone's power level better, then have her be a regular in the New 'vengers
3. Add Toxin to New
4. Have Baron Mordo fight the NA since they're teammates with his nemesis
5. have Mighty and New 'vengers fight without deus ex machina from Strange or Stark

DaeJi
07-01-2007, 01:43 PM
I would add a cosmic line to focus on all the great space heroes Marvel has! And I would limit Wolverine to one team X-Men book and his solo series.

z0mbie_aut0pil0t
07-01-2007, 01:55 PM
I would add a cosmic line to focus on all the great space heroes Marvel has! And I would limit Wolverine to one team X-Men book and his solo series.

I agree with both of those things.

Wild Card13
07-01-2007, 02:27 PM
I would actually take Wolverine out of the X-Verse for a bit and throw him completely into the Avengers. Also, I would put Bishop on the Mighty Avengers.

Xorneto would never have happened.

Decimation stands, but I would have wanted less of the A-team to retain their powers. It hurts, but if there's no real peril then the story gets boring.

Young Avengers 2 would come out. Now.

As someone else said, dead would really mean dead.

I'd like to see more prominent roles played in the universe at large by several under-appreciated characters like the Runaways, Iron Fist, USAgent, and other fan favorites. Things of this nature are fortunately happening all ready.

I would have established the Illuminati much earlier as figures in mystery, to make the reveal of their identities more surprising. In particular, I would have had Nick Fury trying to unravel their identities and motives as a running theme in the solo book I would have given him.

Young Avengers 2 would come out. Now.

bethanycabe69
07-01-2007, 02:33 PM
I would change the editor, the curtains, & the toilet paper to the teddy bear brand 'cause it's sooooooooooooo much softer.:D Oh also the way characters have been portrayed as villains instead of their REAL selves:(

Magneto Rocks
07-01-2007, 03:18 PM
Isn't Millar under an exclusive?

Only until May.

evin Smith, Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch all did less work than was expected from them when they signed their contracts, which will be a problem if any of them "jump ship".

To be fair, in Millar's case that was due to large health problems and also I think a project on the scale of "Civil War" has to count for a lot of missed issues.

Brian M.
07-01-2007, 04:49 PM
Jean Grey wouldn't have died in X-Men#150 and her and Cyclops would still be together.

Mister Mets
07-01-2007, 05:24 PM
Three more things:

1. I'd honestly try to get John Byrne to draw for the company. He's a good artist, and can do 64 pages a month. There are benefits to that.

2. More Original Graphic Novels. I'd be tempted to cancel the Ultimate books in favor of this.

3. I'd want more work done before something gets solicited. There's a ridiculous amount of late comics, and they're bad for the industry. Having the finished product before it's solicited prevents that (although it although delays your initial output for a few months- which has its own cons.)

Isn't Millar under an exclusive?
At the moment. But he's looking forward to Millarworld Phase 2.

Trey
07-02-2007, 09:27 PM
I would end the Ultimate line in a big 12 issue event, with the result of an Apocolypse setting. To be continued......

Then I would get those writers and artists on 616 books.

Dorsai
07-02-2007, 09:54 PM
Despite the length of my list, I think Marvel is doing pretty good right now.



Quit making Iron Man a villain.
Make The Sentry sane and a cosmic character.
No more heroes fighting heroes as part of the status quo.
No more government sponsored villains.
Cut Wolverine's appearances in half.
On time EVERY time. DC didn't miss a shipment with 52, WWIII, or Countdown. When can I see more Supreme Power? Grrr....
A weekly book would be good as long as...see the previous bullet point...
If at all possible, do not change the creative team in the middle of an arc.
Cut the number of Spider titles in half. Over exposure.
Cut the number of X-titles down to one or two books. Over exposure.
Release TPBs of all story arcs two months after the story has ended. I would fill every bookcase I have with TPBs and hardcovers if this happened.

Red State Cap
07-02-2007, 10:11 PM
If you could what would you change at marvel. It could be their story direction or marketing or anything you can think of.
Joe Quesada.

RSC

Clit Commander
07-04-2007, 12:20 PM
If had to change anything it would be bringing back Cap.But thats not going to happen.But what they really should changeis the story's in the Fantastic Four,lesser titles for Spider Man,not all the time crossovers and making the Astonishing X-Men have some continuity with the other X-titles.

Ult. Fireboy
07-04-2007, 01:06 PM
I would get rid of some of the no-name characters in the Marvel U.:o

Babylon23
07-04-2007, 05:34 PM
There's a lot of changes I'd make to Marvel at the moment. Unfortunately, I have to admit that most of my changes would probably result in a drop in sales:

1. Agents of Atlas would get a regular ongoing series by Parker and Kirk

2. I'd put a limit on the amount of characters a writer can kill in order to make their stories "cool" or "meaningful".

3. I'd undo Decimation and have the mutants as an actual minority group of a few million and a potential threat to human evolution, thus ensuring that the mutant hatred angle still made sense.

4. I'd have somebody come in and try to make sense out of Avengers Disassembled, beginning with undoing the damage to the Scarlet Witch.

5. I'd limit the amount of "event" books so that readers could actually get a break between events and books wouldn't be constantly tied into crossovers.

6. I'd reinstate Fabian Nicieza as writer of Thunderbolts and return the team to a group of villains who actually want to reform.

7. If I was hiring "Hollywood writers" I would limit them to miniseries unless I had some guarentee that they could maintain a monthly schedule. I wouldn't solicit any projects from them until the projects were complete. For ongoing books, I'd hold off on publishing until I had at least 1 complete story.

Deus ex Chris
07-04-2007, 06:03 PM
I'd tell artists like Frank Cho (especially Frank Cho) to tone down the T&A or seek employment elsewhere.

Pwood
07-04-2007, 06:22 PM
I'd tell artists like Frank Cho (especially Frank Cho) to tone down the T&A or seek employment elsewhere.

It is excessive, huh?

Deus ex Chris
07-04-2007, 06:31 PM
It is excessive, huh?
I hate it. It's frustrating because I think Frank Cho is an incredible artist. It's a pity he won't let his ability speak for itself.

Toboe
07-04-2007, 06:37 PM
No Elektra as a Skrull nonsense.

Jean Grey ALIVE.

Kirk G
07-04-2007, 06:51 PM
I think I'd eliminate the entire Inferno cross-over nonesense, followed by the Atlantis attacks annual sand maybe the Kang Dynasty and the Terminus stuff too...

Anything else I'd like to eliminate?

Oh yeah... after the clever Llyra impersonation of Sue, the whole "clone of Namor claims the throne" crap would go away!

Babylon23
07-04-2007, 07:11 PM
I'd tell artists like Frank Cho (especially Frank Cho) to tone down the T&A or seek employment elsewhere.

Agreed. He's a very good artist, but he overdoes the T&A to the point where it detracts from the story.

Pwood
07-04-2007, 09:12 PM
I hate it. It's frustrating because I think Frank Cho is an incredible artist. It's a pity he won't let his ability speak for itself.

He really is amazing, but sometimes he just needs to relax. All he would have to do is give them a more classic, sleek look and they would be fabulous...oh well, not gonna happen. I actually read an article in Wizard where he talked about why he put so much T&A in his drawings. Can't remember which issue though...

brundlefly
07-05-2007, 11:26 AM
If you could what would you change at marvel. It could be their story direction or marketing or anything you can think of.

Only one thing? I'd make Bendis Ultimate Universe-exclusive and take him off any of the 616 books or events. Then split the two Avengers books up among the likes of other writers like Christos Gage, Jeff Parker, Fabian Nicieza, Christopher Priest, PAD, etc. Breaks up the stranglehold BMB has on the major books and crossovers, plus sends him somewhere that his weak grasp of 616 Marvel history/continuity won't be such as issue.

I saw some other good ideas already mentioned (quit making Stark the villain, make Agents of Atlas an ongoing, get Logan out of the Avengers). But, to clarify, is this thread about making a current change at Marvel or turning back the clock and changing something that has already taken place? Since I saw a lot of "I'd make such-and-such never have happened," and if that's an option my answer might be different.

C.O. Jones
07-06-2007, 11:46 PM
1) Put all titles back to their original numberings---there ain't a damn thing wrong with an 'Incredible Hulk' #600' or a 'Mighty Thor' #739.

2) Have all covers represent scenes from the interiors just like the good old days---enough with the family album poses.

Jake V
07-06-2007, 11:49 PM
I'd make all the books about a dollar cheaper.

hi! Lord Fear
07-07-2007, 01:48 AM
Civil War would get the Dallas Bobby Ewing treatment

The Avengers would include the Vision, a sane Scarlett Witch, Hawkeye, She-Hulk, and Beast (he need some joy)

Charles Xavier will either be walking or rolling no more lollygagging

Decimation would stand

the New Warriors will be respected

Golliath back and with a mini

If the writer or artist is having issues; project becomes a Graphic novel

Babylon23
07-09-2007, 08:52 PM
The Avengers would include the Vision, a sane Scarlett Witch, Hawkeye, She-Hulk, and Beast (he need some joy)

Good call.

Billy
07-09-2007, 10:01 PM
Progress Hank Pym as a character, just when you think his gotten over his past, the next writer reinstates his personally problems.

Create an Avenger title I wanna read. With Hercules, if possible, I love that guy!

Billy
07-09-2007, 10:03 PM
I'd tell artists like Frank Cho (especially Frank Cho) to tone down the T&A or seek employment elsewhere.

Yes, I agree.

EnDwiGast
07-09-2007, 10:11 PM
Progress Hank Pym as a character, just when you think his gotten over his past, the next writer reinstates his personally problems.

Create an Avenger title I wanna read. With Hercules, if possible, I love that guy!


Yes, I agree.

Albert
07-10-2007, 02:24 AM
I'd bring back the gatefold covers they used to have in the 90s, that gave a synopsis of the ongoing plot and had a thumbnail description of each character. With all the Marvel movies coming down the pipe, it'd be nice to have them so new readers can settle in to lesser profile books. Every issue is someone's first issue, after all.

Reptisaurus!
07-10-2007, 02:27 AM
If you could what would you change at marvel. It could be their story direction or marketing or anything you can think of.

No more superheroes.

Majinlex
07-10-2007, 09:57 AM
Considering how many people complain about retcons, I see a lot of people wanting to retcon stuff in this thread.

I assume this thread is for "If you were EiC at Marvel today, what would you do?".
I can't think of anything I'd change at the moment.

ChildOfTheDarkholde
07-10-2007, 12:50 PM
Getting that long-announced Bendis/Maleev Spider-Woman comic on track, and making sure that the first 5 issues have variants by Hughes, Infantino, Jae Lee, Perez and The Dodsons.

Return Thundra to comics, anywhere, I don't care, just bring her back.

Retcon the last two "volumes" of She-Hulk out of continuity.

Give Al Rio a Marvel comic to draw.

Get She-hulk into the Mighty Avengers ASAP.

Give Doug Moench and Gene Colan a steady gig doing Moon Knight.

Get Marc Andreyko an exclusive contract.

Create more solo female titles.

rogerio
07-10-2007, 01:29 PM
I would put an artist who can draw on Avengers. Yu's art is so bad it's painful.

second that!!!:)

Big Red Spider
08-05-2007, 09:20 AM
Save Ant-Man. Kirkman is amazing.

The Scribe
08-05-2007, 12:42 PM
1. David Finch would be the artist on New Avengers.
2. The main Marvel comics would be for all-ages like they use to be.
3. Falcon would have his own comic.
4. Guardians of the Galaxy would be back, along with a cosmic line of comics.
5. The Sentry would have his own comic. Writer: Peter David and Artist: John Romita JR.
6. Thor, Artist: Ed McGuinness
7. 2099 would be back.
8. Marvel Two-In-One showcase for villains.
9. Thundra and Valkyrie Mini-series.
10. Spider-Woman would have her own comic.
11. A new Defenders comic.

Faded
08-05-2007, 01:11 PM
1. Scanner, Marrow, Wind Dancer, Blob, Rictor, and Magneto become proper mutants again.

2. $1 cheaper comics sounds good.

3. Like Chris said, less T&A unless (no joke!) there is going to be more B&A as well.

4. Less deaths, more cool reboots.

5. Find a perfect writer for Young Avengers and get it back on the market.

6. Make New Warriors likeable for me someway, somehow.

7. Loners ongoing/series of limited series--however C.B. wants it.

8. Bring Risque (www.marvel.com/universe/Risque)(!!!) back to life!

9. Gay love.

10. More minority characters.

DaeJi
08-05-2007, 01:26 PM
3. Like Chris said, less T&A unless (no joke!) there is going to be more B&A as well.

What's B&A? It is like T&A (which we need more of) but with boys (YES!!!)?

9. Gay love.


Woohoo, Quasar ongoing!

Faded
08-05-2007, 01:34 PM
What's B&A? It is like T&A (which we need more of) but with boys (YES!!!)?

YES.

Woohoo, Quasar ongoing!

Sure, why not?!

Karl H
08-05-2007, 01:37 PM
Cecilia Reyes.

That is all the needs fixing.

Maybe someone should do something to the editors too

Brian "Vash" Ashby
08-05-2007, 01:43 PM
id reboot the entire universe

and make the books cheaper


maybe go back to that cheap ass paper. I miss that cheap ass paper

drwho
08-05-2007, 01:57 PM
I'd limit story arcs to like 4 issues at the most. I would bring back well thought out thought bubbles. I'd bring back editors notes and other boxes. I would do away with pages that have a single panel. I would require writers to make the comic at least be a 7 to 10 minute read. I would have my editors accurately edit stuff and keep continuity in check

HIK248
08-05-2007, 06:39 PM
1 Extend Mark Millar's contract

2 Replace Bendis with Millar on Mighty Avengers.The avengers franchise needs a bad@$$-over-the-top action title that Millar specializes in

3 Put Millar or another good righer on Ultimate X-men,the title needs one now

4 Undo Decimation,mutants as a real minority are much more interesting

5 Layla Miller should have guest appearances on most titles,I like her:D

6 Kill the Young Avengers,I don't like them:D

7 Smaller story arcs please,we need more than 2 stories per year in more titlles

8 Remove Brubaker from Uncanny,he does a great job with Captain America and Iron Fist but his uncanny is below average(IMHO)

9 Kill Phyla-vell,Genis-vell and any other of Mar-Vell get I don't know about,oh and he should die again too he had a great life and a great death so he should stay dead.Noh-Varr should become the new Captain Marvel

10 Bring back Nextwave,it's cheaper than drugs and I have a lot of expenses right now

barking_frog
08-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Something I've been talking over with a friend for a while now is the fact that you've really got two camps of unhappy people in fandom right now -- and this is equally true for DC as well as Marvel.

There are people who want their comics to take place largely in a continuity, and people who want good stories regardless of continuity.

Marvel and DC have both tried to ride the fence on that in various ways for decades now -- continuity reboots like Crisis, DC's Elseworlds series, Marvel's Ultimates line, the idea of retconning -- a lot of big events seem to be largely an effort to either take off in a new non-core-universe direction to please people who want interesting stories that can't really be made to fit into continuity, or to please people who want big events that bind the whole comic universe together (Civil War).

I don't know that there's a really good way to address this since the two groups of readers seem to be almost inevitably at odds, but given how new-reader-hostile books like X-Men or the FF are with 40 years of continuity -- and given that comics readership is supposed to be at an all time low now if what I've been hearing in other places about sales figures is true -- it'd be interesting to see the approach of "core universe vs. out-of-continuity" books reversed.

What if Marvel took like a dozen of its major long-running titles -- Iron Man, Avengers, X-Men, maybe Thor -- and tied those together in an extended continuity even more tightly than they already are. A heavy degree of interraction between those books, with a lot of editorial oversight, and use those core titles for the bigger summer events and such. That could become the revised 616, honoring 40 years of history as much as possible, but within a comparatively narrow set of titles that'll be of interest primarily to established readers.

Other books -- ALL other books -- could be just accepted to take place in their own continuity or in a 'quasi-continuity' that borrows some elements of 616 or other continuity without being chained to it, on an as-needed-by-the-creators basis.

None of the above is a new idea -- just a broader application of ideas that've emerged from the Big Two over the last two decades about how to handle a growing problem. If I was going to change one thing at Marvel, I'd like to see them take a shot at something like this and see what happens. If it didn't work, it could always be retconned later. ;-)

RolandJP
08-05-2007, 06:46 PM
More Diversity in the Marvel Bullpen of Editors.

AdamYJ
08-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Originally, I would say that I'd undo Decimation because I don't like the idea of many of my favorite mutants not being mutants anymore. However, I want to see how this whole New Warriors thing pans out. I also want to bring back Jean Grey and ditch the Phoenix concept, but I haven't figured out a way to do that in a way that makes things simpler rather than more complicated.

So, for now, I just want to ban Joe Quesada from saying the phrase "put the genie back in the bottle". It's an oversimplification of things and makes it sound like an easy fix. The truth is that you can't put a genie back in the bottle without creating new, different, hopefully smaller genies. So, it's a dumb saying and Joe can't say it anymore.

MAK15
08-05-2007, 07:39 PM
1. I'd have super-villain Team up be a monthly ongoing.
2. I'd have the Hood have his own series again

thats it.

Akelexre
08-06-2007, 09:54 AM
--More attention to the Ultimate line. I would particularly focus on using it to expand the base of superhero comics by bringing in a new generation of fans. Same for Runaways. Gotta indoctrinate a new generation, after all.

--Fewer major events, at least for the next couple of years. Between DC and Marvel I've read or am reading IC, 52, Countdown, AA, HM, CW, WWH....STOP IT ALREADY.

--Experiment with graphic novel only releases; considering its poor monthly sales yet strong gn sales, Runaways would be a prime candidate. Same for many of the Ultimate books.

--Tone down T&A. I would do this if I became head of DC, too. Its frustrating, as 9 out of 10 times it is completely irrelevant to the story or character, it serves as a distraction that takes one out of the story, and its simply embarrassing.

--Look into getting a well done, (mostly) well organized, united animated universe on tv, probably Cartoon Network. I don't know how possible this is, with Marvel media copyrights scattered across the business world, but I would try. The DC Animated Universe was a large boon that DC comics simply failed to take advantage of (Just a couple examples: why no JL comic advertisements during JLU? A million viewers a week watched John Stewart be the GL, but then he doesn't appear in the comic? Massive failure). I wouldn't make the same mistake.

--Enforce deadlines.

--Oh yeah, learn how to present ethnic characters. Honestly, this would probably include bringing more diversity to the creative staff, even if just part time to advise on cultural authenticity issues. I can't even read Marvel stories before 2000 that deal with race or minority characters, they just end up pissing me off they're usually so poorly done. American demographics are shifting so that we're looking at whites either becoming or coming close to a minority within our lifetimes. No company, business, hobby, etc. wants to be left holding the, "whites only" ball in a generation (coughNHLcough). They've had some success the last few years, with Nick Fury (who, though based on a celeb, I've always felt has a believable, complex personality that goes well beyond his skin color) and Alex Wilder from Runaways, for two examples. Of course, they did kill Alex. :\ And then there's small stuff, like the chronic inability among comic artists to draw black hair correctly, that doesn't mean much to white readers but drives every black comic fan I know nuts. I would fix things like that

--Joey Q can stay on as editor, but he can never attend a comic convention or do an interview with the press as long as he is officially associated with Marvel. The dude simply defines, "Jerk." Breevort and/or Bendis can act as official Marvel reps at any con.

Skyfire
08-11-2007, 09:51 PM
I would fire Joe Q ,buy the company back take it private so we could get some original thinking back in comics and away from bloody share holders instead of rehashing the same tired storylines over and over. I ,also would get rid of the Ultimate line takes away from established canon. Most of all I would get rid of Joe Q and Bendis would have to back to the indies. He was so good with his crime books.

swinebread
08-12-2007, 08:53 PM
I would fire Joe Q ,buy the company back take it private so we could get some original thinking back in comics and away from bloody share holders instead of rehashing the same tired storylines over and over. I ,also would get rid of the Ultimate line takes away from established canon. Most of all I would get rid of Joe Q and Bendis would have to back to the indies. He was so good with his crime books.

I'm with you!

hysang
08-13-2007, 08:47 AM
Have comics actually contain a full story within 22 pages, even if they are part of a "big event" make it so that fans won't go broke or feel like they're missing out.

I agree about Lenil Yu. Why is this guy a "hot" artist?? His people always look like they're trying to get something out of their teeth with their tongues.

I'd put Bendis on all the street level heroes like Daredevil and Punisher and leave the Avengers to different writers.

Monty_Cristo
08-13-2007, 09:01 AM
1. bring Jean Grey back without any connection to the Phoenix; have her take over some of the administrative duties at the school.

2. use Archangel, Beast, and Iceman more outside of the x-verse; Scott's the only one of the originals who should be hardcore about Xavier's dream.

3. start using the Hellfire Club as a legitimate behind-the-scenes force (financially, politically, and otherwise); while only using mutants who are actual business types/power brokers.

4. make Luke Cage more like he was in that first issue of Secret War; appearance-wise

5. give Ms. Marvel a little more common sense, leadership ability, and confidence.

6. i don't know how but fix Excalibur; not even sure what to think of the title, at the moment.

7. have the Night Thrasher who died at Stamford not be Dwayne Taylor

8. give Juggernaut his power and old personality back

9. figure out how to use Northstar and Aurora without making them evil

10. bring Darkhawk out of retirement.

Mister Mets
08-13-2007, 09:29 AM
One more thing....

The Irredeemable Antman would join the New Avengers.

Chiasm
08-16-2007, 08:11 AM
I'd make Joe Q keep some of his promises. You know those promises he made when he took over which he has now pretty much broken all of:

1) Dead means dead. How's being dead treating you Colossus? Bucky? And a host of others. Anyone truly believe Captain America or Cable are dead?

2) Multi Part Crossover - anyone remember how annoying it was when you had a 19 part story going across seven different books, four of which you didn't collect? Well its slowly been coming back and now Spidey is apparently going to take it a step further by going the DC route where the story goes from Spidey book to Spidey book each week.

Those two things alone anger me more than anything. I don't like stupid deaths for deaths sake. But Marvel has made death so trivial that its meaningless now. Any death is now viewed as a sales ploy and no one takes it seriously.

And the whole crossover thing pinches budgets meaning fans have to make a choice of dropping something. For me, I'm strongly leaning to towards abandoning Spidey altogether even though I love Spidey. But despite my love I don't collect all the Spidey books and don't want to be forced to. Its a principle thing.

Chiasm
08-16-2007, 08:15 AM
Oh yeah, I'd start portraying some of the female characters as realistic. Marvel, like most comics, were horrible when they started when women were basically mindless accessories to their male counterparts. I cringe at early depictions of Wasp, Sue Storm, and Jean Grey.

Now female characters finally have brains but most are still trivialized by being forced to wear T&A costumes. Ms Marvel is the worst. Here she is supposed to be leading the Avengers and she dresses like a stripper in a thong and boots. It utterly is demeaning to women and marginalizes her as a character and a leader. And don't even get me started on what they did to Psylocke when they changed her from a smart, brainy, British girl into an Asian hooker.

Want a good role model for what a female heroine should be: Jenny Sparks from Image comics. She was basically Nick Fury but in a female body. She was gorgeous but she also had a B cup at best, as compared to the DD's that all Marvel heroines seem to have, and she was foul mouthed and smoked. And you never saw her wearing a thong in public and calling it a costume.

Animation
08-16-2007, 09:53 AM
Want a good role model for what a female heroine should be: Jenny Sparks from Image comics. She was basically Nick Fury but in a female body. She was gorgeous but she also had a B cup at best, as compared to the DD's that all Marvel heroines seem to have, and she was foul mouthed and smoked. And you never saw her wearing a thong in public and calling it a costume.

Jenny was great. She may be my fave female super-hero in any comic book. However, while she rarely dressed T&A, she slept around so much it'd make Grace Choi embarassed. So, its kinda weird to call for your heroines to have less T&A but to smoke, curse, and sleep with everything that moves. :) Also, there is plenty of T&A in the rest of the team and in the original Stormwatch team. :)

Oh, and in response to the earlier poster who was sick of Iron Man being made out like a villain .... well, he IS a villain.

Anyway, I'd retcon out all that superhero registration and Civil War crap. I wont buy any more Marvel until the registration thing ends. I'd also undo all that stupid Scarlet Witch crazy crap. I'd also prefer less big events. I did actually like getting rid of all the mutants, they were like ants.

Lewis

Chiasm
08-16-2007, 12:15 PM
Jenny was great. She may be my fave female super-hero in any comic book. However, while she rarely dressed T&A, she slept around so much it'd make Grace Choi embarassed. So, its kinda weird to call for your heroines to have less T&A but to smoke, curse, and sleep with everything that moves. :) Also, there is plenty of T&A in the rest of the team and in the original Stormwatch team. :)


Jenny certainly wouldn't be a good role model.

But she is an excellent character because she was so much more than just a model in a revealing costume as most Marvel heroines are. I talked about this in another thread and its very hard to come up with many Marvel heroines, or DC for that matter, who aren't T&A masturbation fantasies for lonely comic book nerds. I came up with Kitty Pryde (I've never seen her wearing a T&A costume), Pre Asian Hooker Psylocke, Sue Storm (sort of since she still has a model body in uber tight clothing), and Rogue (who no doubt would be a T&A character if her powers allowed such clothing).

rajincajun689
08-16-2007, 12:57 PM
I would have changed the ending of Civil War... and have made civil war less biased

chrismileslord
08-16-2007, 12:58 PM
1. Establish Marvel Villians - Dr. Doom and Magneto needs to be the forefront of all villians, not just FF and X universe
2. Governments needs to be shown as corrupt, and end the initiave, with Iron Man walking away from shield, and Nick Fury taking over,
3. Cap comes back. And after that, dead means dead as long as we see them dead.
4. Spiderman starts to turn into a cap style character in the sense that people look up to him.
5. clearly establish heroes, villians, and anti-heroes, and not lump everyone in NY
6. Establish the Inhumans as a cosmic force to be reckoned with, with Quicksilver, as a hero again, as a mediator between Inhumans and humans
7. Clear the name of Spider Woman and make her partner of Nick Fury
8. Fantastic Four established to their true strength
9. Omega Flight get ongoing with proper respect.
10. Establish Atlantis and Namor to there true strength.
11. thunderbolts reset back to real heroes, with Villians being villians.
12. Start a Dlist book.
13. Establish Young Avengers season 2

I actually have a rather lengthy fanfic I am working on that would do all this in one incredibly epic long story. yeah.

Faded
08-17-2007, 01:35 AM
1. bring Jean Grey back without any connection to the Phoenix; have her take over some of the administrative duties at the school.

2. use Archangel, Beast, and Iceman more outside of the x-verse; Scott's the only one of the originals who should be hardcore about Xavier's dream.

3. start using the Hellfire Club as a legitimate behind-the-scenes force (financially, politically, and otherwise); while only using mutants who are actual business types/power brokers.

4. make Luke Cage more like he was in that first issue of Secret War; appearance-wise

5. give Ms. Marvel a little more common sense, leadership ability, and confidence.

6. i don't know how but fix Excalibur; not even sure what to think of the title, at the moment.

7. have the Night Thrasher who died at Stamford not be Dwayne Taylor

8. give Juggernaut his power and old personality back

9. figure out how to use Northstar and Aurora without making them evil

10. bring Darkhawk out of retirement.

...and Shortpack?

Frank
12-23-2007, 02:22 AM
ummm...let's see....

Convince Millar to stay on FF for two more years. Even if he's not Marvel exclusive. Even if he wants to do Superman or any other creator-owned stuff. That would be two years of pure innovation and new concepts and threats. Then the 12 issues of the last year, he would give us his take on the familiar villains.

I would keep Joe Q has exclusive creator because he's a fine artist but more importantly as a writer because to me NYX was was one of the best things i've ever read.

Bring back the creative revolutionnary energy of the Jemas years. These days Marvel is too laid back. If not for the big events it would feel like nothing is moving and surprising.

Much needed vacation for Bendis so he recharge his batteries, get away from straight super-hero stories wich has never been his forte. And Ultimate Spidey has been going in circle for so long. Even Spider-Woman I believe is sort of the wrong way to go as far as him writing one of his fetish characters again. Not only his super-hero writing has been poor but his decision-making has been attrocious(He didn't know people were going to react that way to Hawkeye's death...).

Stop greenlighting books when it's second-stringer characters just for the sake of it. Look I love She-Hulk or Nova or Ms. Marvel but they can't substain their own books. That's what a book like Defenders should be about, putting guys together than can't have their books. Unless somebody has a can't miss concept related to one of their characters that is about something(like Booster Gold with stories linked to the time-stream). Or top creators wanting to get a crack at it(a la David Finch with Moon Knight).

Give special deals to certain creators to keep them for a while. After his Punisher run, I would give Garth Ennis a sort of lifetime contract wheras every one of his concepts, every ideas he had would be done at Marvel. Whether it's PG, PG 13, hardcore, western, war, horror, sick stories...anything he can think of. So he wouldn't have to do it at Vertigo, or Avatar or any other places because everytime he would want to do a book it would be greenlight on the spot. Garth has always decried to absence of other things than spandex on the market. Well now he would have the choice to put out a great presence of various genres on the stand with Marvel's marketing push and their clout on the market. In return Garth would get to do progects and propositions Marvel would throw at him like say do a crazy Preacher-like epic run but on titles such as Tomb of Dracula where he would give his take on it. Or have him do a ultimate-like alternate World concept ongoing where he gets to revamp the MU as he sees fit, in Ennis' image. How cool would that be?

End the separate Universes and end the labels. The Ultimate U was created to recreat the MU concepts for a new audience and I think this has been accomplished. They have nowhere else to go we've all seen the spidey origin, Benids has nothing else to revamp, it's a dead idea. Now it's time to end to experiment. It was fresh and vibrant for a while but we are near 2008. Let's do something else. Also to end the separate brand, I think it would be just a matter of mainly just do various stories and books with their own specifity. You want to do a mature horror book you don't have to call it MAX. If anything the branding make the title lose some of it mystery, it's less intriguing.

I may have more ideas so will think about it lol....

Frank
12-23-2007, 02:25 AM
Oh yea here's two important ones I missed:

Geoff Johns and Jim Lee to Marvel. :D

jonwithana
12-23-2007, 03:02 AM
Put Ed Brubaker on Ultimates

Give Jeph Loeb back to DC!

overcomebyfumes
12-23-2007, 03:04 AM
I thought the whole point of Frank Cho's art was gratuitous T&A. I like it. But anyway, my ten point plan for a perfect Marvel...






1). I like the idea about returning Marvel to private ownership. And Quasada's got to go.

2). Bring Bendis back to street-level crime stories and off of the Avengers. God, please get him off of the Avengers.

3). Dump all the Ultimate titles except Ultimate Spider-Man. They're all pointless now. And anyone who wants to read stories about an unmarried Spider-Man, can read Ultimate Spider-Man.

4). More attention paid to continuity and co-ordinating what different writers are doing. A "shared universe" should be just that. Editors shouldn't be afraid to say "no" to a writer. Sometimes I get the impression that at Marvel the inmates are running the asylum.

5). Re-vamp (so to speak) the supernatural properties - Dr. Strange, The Hood, Man-Thing, Ghost Rider, Morbius, Satana - and bring them more fully into the MU. What does it take to publish a decent run on Ghost Rider? Can it be done?

6). Annihilation's a good start for re-vamping the cosmic properties. Now the line needs expanded. Surely more than just Nova can support his own title. Silver Surfer at least, or some kind of "Heralds of Galactus" title. I'd like to see a "Ronan and Kl'rt" book. That's comedy gold, right there. Inhumans, definately.

7). Dead means dead. Period. If a writer wants to kill off a character, fine. But that character is NEVER coming back. They should start with Aunt May.

8). Expanded MAX line. Bring back the EPIC imprint or something like it - i.e. more creator owned books. DC's had incredible successes with VERTIGO. Why can't Marvel do anything like it?

9). More support for comics that are good, but not necessarily selling well, like NEXTWAVE, or Irredeamable Ant-Man. Instead of hyping big events (which basically sell themselves), Quasada's (or better yet, his replacement's) job should be to hype the good, creative, but low selling books.

10). Bring back Marvel Team-Up and Super-Villian Team-up. MUST BE DONE.

pax.

BYC
12-23-2007, 03:48 AM
1. Enough with artist delays. Put those artists on annuals, mini-series, or bi-monthies instead of monthies.

2. Finish the current 5 year crossover plan, and then stop major crossovers for at least 2 years.

3. Get the editors and writers to tighten up continunities and character portrayal.

4. Stop the OMD rumored ending. The retcon aspect of it is ridiculous. Have Aunt May die, and have the stress of the death separate Peter and MJ again for a while. That part won't be new or original, but it gives a chance to find out if fans want marriage or not, as opposed to a retcon forcing the issue.

5. Keep the current status for a while longer. It's relatively new to mainstream superhero comics to have this pro/anti-Reg. Let's run with it for a bit, but balance it out, and tell some great stories with this opportunity. Make Tony, Reed, and Hank have better reasonings on why they did what they did. DO NOT let the Skrull issues become the excuse for causing all of this. That would be a cop-out.

Laughing Mask
12-24-2007, 11:42 PM
i'd give the hood his own series.

and i'd give the agents of atlas there own series.

Alpha Male
12-25-2007, 03:23 PM
7. If I was hiring "Hollywood writers" I would limit them to miniseries unless I had some guarentee that they could maintain a monthly schedule. I wouldn't solicit any projects from them until the projects were complete. For ongoing books, I'd hold off on publishing until I had at least 1 complete story.


There's nothing more frustrating than waiting and waiting for a comic to come out because so-so Hollywood writer has this project and that project to do. Case in point, Heinberg (writer of Young Avengers) priority pretty much is on writing scripts for TV shows than comic books. I understand that these guys have fans that follow their work, but if you make a commitment you follow through with it to the end.

With that said, what I would add as a solution to the delays in comics and such would be if said book isn't ready on time, there would be a fill in story to keep up with the monthly story. Now it would be like the old days of Marvel (70's and 80's). The fill in story would be completely seperate from the current story arc and wouldn't effect status quo on the book. It would be a done-in-one story written by a writer who isn't on the book.

Supreme Power and Mighty Avengers could've easily had fill in stories. I would've loved to have seen a solo Sentry adventure where he encounters The Juggernaut or Hyperion saving some astronauts from Skrulls.

Monty_Cristo
12-25-2007, 03:35 PM
i just want more Eric O'Grady. the rest of the Marvel Universe can go to hell. merry xmas.

Hatut Zeraze
12-26-2007, 12:05 AM
I liked Brundlefly's suggestion for getting Bendis off of anything 616. I gave up on Ultimate universe stuff, so he can't do any harm there. For quite some time, the quickest way to get me to drop a comic is to let Brian Michael Bendis write it. I don't want him on Avengers, New or Mighty. I don't want him on Daredevil. I don't even want to see him do a Dazzler one-shot. Get him gone.

On the positive side, I would also love to see the regular return of Agents of Atlas and Nextwave.

mikekerr3
12-26-2007, 01:05 AM
Hire an EIC who doesn't want to corrupt or destroy so many characters.

mindcrime
12-26-2007, 01:51 AM
please oh please get rid of joe q before the marvel u. is destroyed.

Shade 20x6
12-27-2007, 09:28 AM
I would fire Joe Quesada.

If you're talking storyline-wise, that's easy. I'd undo One More Day. And Sins Past. And The Other. Hell, I would undo pretty much JMS's entire run.

Harlock
12-27-2007, 09:30 AM
I would make the Last Defenders team not suck.

Pixie_Solanas
12-27-2007, 10:19 AM
More sexy costumes! Tighter, shorter, less fabric!

And a Marvel Knights imprint for Merv & Chico.

And a "NO PANTS" crossover arc for 2008.

Tobias Drake
12-27-2007, 10:33 AM
I would have them give us the SHRA-as-written-into-law in its entirety, so that we have more to work with than just various peoples' interpretations.

Zacharius
12-27-2007, 10:36 AM
Superhuman dictatorship so superhumans can have their battles and normals take their place as decoration.:p

Dr. K
12-27-2007, 01:22 PM
1 - Fire Joe Quesada.

2 - Immediately undo "One More Day."

3 - Allow the X-Office to undo the Decimation as they see fit.

4 - Let Bendis finish Secret Invasion as he has planned and then turn the New and Mighty Avengers into one core bi-weekly Avengers title, written by a tightly co-ordinated team of writers, including Bendis. The hope being that perhaps the others can balance him out while telling fantastic superhero stories.

5 - Give fans real closure for the Scarlet Witch or revamp her character.

6 - Encourage the creation of new heroes and villains. Let writers throw whatever they want against the wall and see what sticks.

7 - Books ship on time. No excuses.

8 - More Young Avengers. If that means it has to be written by someone other than Heinberg, so be it.

9 - Greenlight a third Annihilation event. Let the writers use anything they want - Earth-based heroes (or Earth itself), the Shi'ar, the Beyonder, whatever.

10 - Restructure the Initiative so that it isn't state-based, but simply a branch of SHIELD. This still allows teams to be stationed potentially anywhere in America, but doesn't force writers to construct teams for small states or relocate heroes.

thorionthei
12-27-2007, 02:54 PM
1. Get Beast, Angel and Iceman out of the X-world.
2. Define the Marvel cosmos better.
3. Bring back the original GA Vision and say his essence was always in the android. Thus Wanda was always in love with the GA Vision. The android has too much drama/retcons already.

Trey
12-27-2007, 05:16 PM
More sexy costumes! Tighter, shorter, less fabric!

And a Marvel Knights imprint for Merv & Chico.

And a "NO PANTS" crossover arc for 2008.

Hell Yeah! this is what you meant right?




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Trey
12-27-2007, 05:24 PM
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LawGiver
12-27-2007, 06:04 PM
I I could change one thing, it would be the Clone Saga. Don't do it.

chrismileslord
12-27-2007, 06:14 PM
1. OMD and the Unmasking Never Happened.
2. Captain America Would Still be Alive
3. Jean Grey would be alive
4. Clear lines between hero/villian/anti-hero
5. A real epic crossover between HEROES and VILLAINS, led by Doom.
6. Clearly Define the Mutant Population. I would say 10-15% of world Pop. as Mutants
7. Hulk would own the Savage Land.
8. DESTROY SHIELD, and REBUILD IT with Fury as there leader again.
9. Iron Man would be a hero again.
10. HAWKEYE WOULD HAVE AN ONGOING.
11. Wolverine can only be in on X-book, one Non Mutant Book, and ONE ongoing. With clearly defined power level.
12. Young Avengers. Would. Be. A. Monthly.


one.....or 12.....whatever.