Batman film worthy?

[Right Action]

Anyone out there confident that the sequal to Batman Begins will stand up to the first...or...do you feel that either of them will do justice to the comics?


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[vazel]

Well Batman's new costume isn't my favorite Batsuit and Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't my favorite love interest either. I think how awesome I think the movie is is going to depend on how the Joker is handled.

[yourverysilly]

Well, I think it's either going to be awesome or average...I think they basically do a great job of bringing the comics to life, with a perfect cast, while keeping it fresh for the fans, and realistic for the average joe and making it a damn good film for critics.
There is the odd niggle...but theres a phrase that I've seen on another forum which I think I'll make my signature...INWT. In Nolan We Trust. He did everything just about perfectly so far, that casting Heath Ledger as the Joker MUST be the perfect choice!
Do you think that the Nolan series doesn't live up to the comics?
(oh and while we're talking, I like the DCU as much as the next guy, but it's kind've refreshing with the films to see batman kick ass and be gritty and not have to think: as realistic as THIS is, I know somewhere on the planet theres captain marvel and shit.)

[vazel]

(oh and while we're talking, I like the DCU as much as the next guy, but it's kind've refreshing with the films to see batman kick ass and be gritty and not have to think: as realistic as THIS is, I know somewhere on the planet theres captain marvel and shit.)Haha so true.

[Mia]

We'll see. There are films where I liked the prequel and hated the sequel.

I liked Batman Begins a lot when it came out. But it's luster for me faded after I saw Casino Royale. Casino Royale really seemed to be EON's way of throwing down the gauntlet to Nolan and company for what they did in BB. The two films will be conciously/unconsciously competing against each other.

There are many things in BB film that could have been better. Or at least many things that were in BB that I hope to God are not in the sequel. I really don't think we need a lenghthy disertation about Bruce's guilt or his ability to live us to his daddy's name. Show me, don't tell me. And I don't understand why we have to have Rachel in the film again. I simply hope that she's in this film as a sort of stand in for Barbara Gordon so that the Joker can shoot her, thus serving as an impetus for Batman to go hardcore.

[The Xenos]

Oh I think Rachel's days are numbered. Even though they got an actress I really like this time, I really don't care for the character. Hopefully the rights for Catwoman/Selina will get free, dammit.

The first promo photo of Joker was just terrible. Yet I chalk that out to being just a terrible photo and terrible first look.

Though pretty much everything else seems dead on. We finally have Dent. I hear he was supposed to be in Rachel's place in the first one, but the studio demaned a love interest. Ugh. What's that crap? As confirmed in the first film, Batman is on a solitary mission. No time for love, Dr Jones. Then again, if he keep running into a certain female catburglar, there could be something.

[Choppa]

I'm a bit worried because of similar points mentioned- the suit, maggie gyllenhal (sp?), and the shots of the joker gang wearing joker masks.

But when you continue to learn move about a film before it's release it can really dampen the fun, so I'm going to chalk it up to that. Fortunately when I saw Begins, I knew very little so it was very enjoyable. At the rate I'm going now I'll already know everything and I won't like it as much.

And also I think it's wwaaayyy to early to make any reasonable judgment.

[tony2074]

its going to rule. those people in masks probably aren't joker.
and the suit is rumoured to change midway through the film, with a plausible storyline reason. they couldn't keep it the same, the parent company has action figures to think about after all.
im still interested to see heath ledger as the joker though, it has me very interested because i just knew him as a knight or gay cowboy.

[Right Action]

I have heard that the Joker, played by Heath Ledger, is going to be tailored towards the original psychopathic Joker...no holds barred. I think that is the correct way to go...and I loved Batman Begins...so I have faith. Although, I really did like Burton's renditions of one and two. We'll see... I'm jazzed about the fact that Ledger is apparently doing a great job playing Joker. You can see pics of Ledger as the Joker on google pics... evily good.


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[The Xenos]

But when you continue to learn move about a film before it's release it can really dampen the fun, so I'm going to chalk it up to that. Fortunately when I saw Begins, I knew very little so it was very enjoyable. At the rate I'm going now I'll already know everything and I won't like it as much.

And also I think it's wwaaayyy to early to make any reasonable judgment.

Or, it can save you $8-$10 and prevent you from supporting a crappy movie. I like to know a good deal about a film going in. At least read some interviews with directors and writers, know where they're coming from.

Right now, I'm avoiding Transformers and Fantastic Four 2 like the plague. I think Bay is a complete idiot who just made arbitrary changes to the characters I like. He openly admits it. Though he thinks he's downright brilliant for doing do. F--- him. I wish I had the balls last year to sit out Superman Returns or X-Men 3. I knew both would be crap going in, but my friends still talked me into it. This year, I won't bother wasting my time and money to support something that is crap.


You can see pics of Ledger as the Joker on google pics... evily good.

I hope you know most of those are fanart, right? There have only been 2 actual photos of Ledger as Joker. One where he's behind some blurry glass and one terrible close up where the lighting is horrible and he looks terrible. So I'm waiting for a good clear image of Joker in full get up.


im still interested to see heath ledger as the joker though, it has me very interested because i just knew him as a knight or gay cowboy.

I remember seeing him way back in the day on an amazing yet short lived Fox show. (Hey. Is there any other kind of good show on Fox? Well, besides Simpsons.) It was called Roar and it was set in pre-Christian England and Ireland. Quite an awesome show. Never did I imagine that kid would be playing the Joker.

[Right Action]

That's true, the actual Heath Ledger picture, the one released by the studio, is the one where he's got smeared make up on...very freaky...smeared white and red.

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[Choppa]

Or, it can save you $8-$10 and prevent you from supporting a crappy movie. I like to know a good deal about a film going in. At least read some interviews with directors and writers, know where they're coming from.


So then read a review. You can still find out if a movie is worth seeing without spoiling it for yourself.



its going to rule. those people in masks probably aren't joker.
and the suit is rumoured to change midway through the film, with a plausible storyline reason. they couldn't keep it the same, the parent company has action figures to think about after all.
im still interested to see heath ledger as the joker though, it has me very interested because i just knew him as a knight or gay cowboy.

Obviously they aren't the Joker, that's not what I was implying. I can't understand why Nolan has to give Joker a gang, that's the campiest thing you can do with him. I imagined that this joker would be a dark, insane serial killer, not another Ceaser Romero.

As for the suit, how does having a plot point that explains it change how it looks? And if you remember, Batman Forever's suit change had a plot explanation too, but that movie was terrible.

[jesse_custer]

If the Joker turns out to be just crazy and not funny, then it won't be worth it at all.

[Right Action]

You have to take the Joker in context of each filmmaker's version. Burton's films were great, and Nicholson was a fabulous Joker...combining first rate lunacy and genuine humor. But, Nolan's films are far darker and more serious, so humor isn't needed on a grand scale or by the Joker. I think a truly demented, psychopathic Joker is point on. And, I've read that Ledger has been so good on set that he's wowed everyone. Cherry.

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[jesse_custer]

Sorry buddy, but any time the Joker has been at his best, he's been funny: The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, etc. That's what makes his character that much more interesting.

[Testament_X]

You have to take the Joker in context of each filmmaker's version. Burton's films were great, and Nicholson was a fabulous Joker...combining first rate lunacy and genuine humor. But, Nolan's films are far darker and more serious, so humor isn't needed on a grand scale or by the Joker. I think a truly demented, psychopathic Joker is point on. And, I've read that Ledger has been so good on set that he's wowed everyone. Cherry.

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Not to be a dick but your "signature" looks an awful lot like spam.

[The Xenos]

Yeah. Shooting Babs in the stomach, kidnapping and torturing Gordon, snapping his own neck. Yeah. He's a real laugh riot.


So then read a review. You can still find out if a movie is worth seeing without spoiling it for yourself.

Oh yes. I didn't mean spoiling things was needed. Just get the general direction and take of the movie. Even just listen to interviews with the writers and directors. Deduce how intelligent they are and if they get the character or like the same version of the characters you do.

[jesse_custer]

Yeah. Shooting Babs in the stomach, kidnapping and torturing Gordon, snapping his own neck. Yeah. He's a real laugh riot.

This is a great example of selective memory. Yes, none of those would qualify as hilarious, but I didn't specifically say they were either. From the very start, I never said Joker shouldn't be a killer. I implied he should be a killer while being funny.

In The Killing Joke, he actually tells a joke at the end that's funny. He also refers to his origin story in a humorous way, saying that it's more fun to remember things differently every time. Go back and read his dialogue in that story.

In The Dark Knight Returns, he beats up Selina Kyle, dresses her up like Wonder Woman, and ties her up. That is hilarious. He also shoots someone and says "Excuse me." Sure, it's dark humor, but it's still humor.

[Choppa]

Sorry buddy, but any time the Joker has been at his best, he's been funny: The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, etc. That's what makes his character that much more interesting.

Well you may personally find that to be the "best" characterization, but it's completely opinion. And ultimately it doesn't even matter because it's up to Nolan, and he has said that he is going with the characterization from his original appearance which has been described as this (http://movies.ign.com/articles/738/738390p1.html)

"The Joker is portrayed as a "grim jester" in those first two appearances rather than as the clownish madman seen later on. Given that realistic approach, Nolan says the casting of Heath Ledger as The Joker "certainly makes sense to me.""

Given that quote, I'm kinda confused/worried about seeing a gang following the Joker around.

[mattx110]

This is a great example of selective memory. Yes, none of those would qualify as hilarious, but I didn't specifically say they were either. From the very start, I never said Joker shouldn't be a killer. I implied he should be a killer while being funny.

In The Killing Joke, he actually tells a joke at the end that's funny. He also refers to his origin story in a humorous way, saying that it's more fun to remember things differently every time. Go back and read his dialogue in that story.

In The Dark Knight Returns, he beats up Selina Kyle, dresses her up like Wonder Woman, and ties her up. That is hilarious. He also shoots someone and says "Excuse me." Sure, it's dark humor, but it's still humor.

the joker is best when he thinks he's being funny. he's like a crazy child who doesn't understand that the goldfish doesn't like needles in it.

[jesse_custer]

"The Joker is portrayed as a "grim jester" in those first two appearances rather than as the clownish madman seen later on. Given that realistic approach, Nolan says the casting of Heath Ledger as The Joker "certainly makes sense to me.""

Batman also carried a gun in early appearances, so going back to the past doesn't mean it's a good idea. Plus, there's nothing realistic about a criminal dressing up as a clown and a guy dressing up like a bat after his parents are killed. Nolan is taking this stupid realism schtick too far and contradicting himself as he goes along, and Joker works better as a clownish madman, not an emotional weakling.

[satchmo the dragon]

Batman also carried a gun in early appearances, so going back to the past doesn't mean it's a good idea. Plus, there's nothing realistic about a criminal dressing up as a clown and a guy dressing up like a bat after his parents are killed. Nolan is taking this stupid realism schtick too far and contradicting himself as he goes along, and Joker works better as a clownish madman, not an emotional weakling.

I think Batman carrying guns would be awesome. At least for protection and self defense.

[jesse_custer]

It also doesn't make any sense. Batman lives by a code of justice, and he wouldn't resort to the same weapon that killed his parents. It doesn't fit with the character and turns him into another Punisher, and we already have enough of those.

[The Xenos]

I think Batman carrying guns is pretty extreme.

I dunno. I don't think Joker's been changed too much or to the extreme of Batman no longer carrying guns.

To me, Joker, even when he's funny, has always been a twisted and sadistic killer. I also think he would work best in that role in this film. I don't see why he can't be funny and extremely scary at the same time.

Personally, I think Nicholson was highly overrated. Hopefully they can distance themselves from that. Hopefully the studio won't force Nolan to keep that Jack Napier nonsnese. We don't need Jon Peters ruining Batman again. It's bad enough the idiot has messed up Superman's return.

[Right Action]

My God was Superman Returns bad...even worse than the Spider Man movies. I stand by my original thoughts in saying the Burton's films were stellar, but Nolan's renditions are even better...he gets it just right, and there's no reason to think TDK won't be great. I'm going to gamble and say that Ledger won't use humor...which will be ok I think.



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[BaconRobotChampion]

in the next batman movie the joker should use humor like he did in Arkham Asylum. i think that blends his "funniness" with his extremely demented side perfectly. and jack nicholson was not the joker in batman by tim burton jack nicholson was jack nicholson in make up and a purple suit.

[AlexApprobation]

I have no detailed expectations except that I hope it rocks.

Oh, and I liked Batman Begins. Lots.