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drwho
06-28-2007, 11:14 AM
This issue is totally awesome and I hope this shows that Dwayne has gone into the zone with this book. I thought all the characterization was right on and all the characters got along and meshed great. It is really exciting to see what is gonna happen next since Sue is trapped on a planet all alone against the complete FrightFul 4. I'm also glad to see that it is a more traditional version of the Frightful 4. I also liked seeing BP in his fancy costume in this and enjoyed the dialog through out the book. The art is also top notch and I'm enjoying the fact that they arent ignoring the BP adventures as well. Not much to complain here except maybe the cover could have been better, but this is fun stuff.
Funkdmonkey
06-30-2007, 09:15 PM
I also liked this issue a lot. It was just really well done, I especially liked the parts with Reed and Pym.
As much as I love Black Panther and Storm, they cant top Reed and Sue. It was enjoyable seeing them in a larger role. I look forward to what will happen to Sue and what the other members will do!
I did enjoy the character interaction on this book. The key element in writting the FF is having them come off as family... and that was done here about as well as I've ever seen it.
And that aside, it's just nice to see heroes fighting villians. Actual villians. Not just heroes acting like dicks, but real supervillains. I thought their community might have been on vacation or something for the past few years, it's such a scarce thing these days. And it's a classic villian team no less.
I honestly have liked McDuffies stuff on the FF less and less with each issue... but this story arc will hopefully turn that around.
Ult. Fireboy
07-01-2007, 12:49 PM
I don't think that the current writer is as good as JMS. I haven't read the issue, so I don't care if it is spoiled, but who are the current Frightful Four?
drwho
07-01-2007, 12:53 PM
Titania, hydro, trapster, and wizard.
Ult. Fireboy
07-01-2007, 01:04 PM
Thanks.
Now I thought that the Fantastic Four were going to battle the Marvel Zombies at some point. Is that true. or did I read something wrong?:confused:
drwho
07-01-2007, 01:05 PM
Thanks.
Now I thought that the Fantastic Four were going to battle the Marvel Zombies at some point. Is that true. or did I read something wrong?:confused:
That is going on in the current Black Panther comic.
Ult. Fireboy
07-01-2007, 01:10 PM
Has the current one hit the shelves yet, or is it yet to come out?
drwho
07-01-2007, 01:14 PM
Came out past week. The previous issue has a small cameo of zombies showing up. I'm a little surprised there haven't been more reviews. where is everyone?
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/12471/200/12471_2_028.jpg
Ult. Fireboy
07-01-2007, 01:17 PM
Is it anygood. I mean is there a lot of Zombie action in it?
drwho
07-01-2007, 01:21 PM
Is it anygood. I mean is there a lot of Zombie action in it?
Typical marvel zombie characterization from the mini. I thought the issue was decent.
Ult. Fireboy
07-01-2007, 01:23 PM
Who writes it and who is the artist?
Magneto Rocks
07-01-2007, 03:13 PM
Great issue, as per usual. McDuffie's FF is a solidly dependable read each month.
Also liked the Hank Pym guest spot. Also very interesting that Reed clearly isn't 100% happy with the way the Initiative is at present but he expected it and it's pretty strongly indicated that he views it as a stepping stone. Interesting stuff.
Hatut Zeraze
07-01-2007, 03:17 PM
When I heard about Dwayne McDuffie being the future writer on Justice League, I thought I'd check out what was going on with his Fantastic Four run. I was a little hesitant, though, because I am completely uninterested in Marvel Zombies comics. It sounds to me like a cool idea taken way too far, kind of like the X-Men.
When I found out those things were being covered in the Black Panther series instead of the FF comic, that was the final straw. I've now picked up the last two issues and loved them both.
SPOILERS (if that hasn't already been assumed at this point in the thread)
Hank Pym provided my favorite moments in the newest issue. He twisted under Black Panther's direction in one scene, and in the highlight of the issue, he brainstormed with Reed Richards about a strange object found in space. The brainstorming conversation was interesting, moved a subplot forward, showcased Reed Richards' astonishing intellect, and was occasionally comical.
The central threat, the Frightful Four, essentially gears up in this issue. They capture a Fantastic Four character and lay a nasty trap for the rest. How the team deals with them is left in cliffhanger mode.
Xanrn
07-01-2007, 04:10 PM
Bimbo Storm was annoying though.
When has Storm ever acted like that...
jackolover
07-01-2007, 08:04 PM
This may be the most informative Initiative issue I have seen so far, in that it shows the interaction of the TRH (Tony Reed Hank) which was never shown outside CW. Hank and Reeds interaction was nice at Camp Hudson, and gave the book a soft, slow, feel, which McDuffie continues with the Reed and Sue dialogue, and the Reed and Henry dialogue.
I saw She-Hulk training soldiers at Camp Hudson, so this must be pre-WWH, still, as She-Hulk #19 has Jen depowered, and is post-WWH.
It looks like we are headed for another Annihilation incident in the FF, with this new threat shown in the message from the frog people. And to confuse everything their plans intend, the Frightful Four are attacking the FF right now.
I like that Pym disrespects Black Panther in this, because I felt it was kind of fast that Panther, all of a sudden, became respectable. Strange, also, that Pym took this stance, considering in CW #7, Pym and Panther shook hands, when Pym won that award.
All in all the best issue of FF since CW, and the most related to the aftermath that I have seen. I'm not sure if this story is before WWH or after, but it looks like before, so far.
Archer
07-02-2007, 03:27 PM
Enjoyed this a lot. Comparing to last issue, McDuffie made Reed look highly intelligent by actually showing Reed's mind working, whereas last time round he tried to make BP seem intelligent just by showing that he already had a solution in place . . . I know which worked better for me.
The Reed/Sue parts seemed a lot more flowing and natural than BP/Storm, too. I never recall Storm being remotely like that in the X-Men.
StoneGold
07-02-2007, 03:33 PM
Enjoyed this a lot. Comparing to last issue, McDuffie made Reed look highly intelligent by actually showing Reed's mind working, whereas last time round he tried to make BP seem intelligent just by showing that he already had a solution in place . . . I know which worked better for me.
Honestly, that's just the difference in how they think. T'Challa likes to have everything figured out in advance. His genius is in being a master planner. Reed has too many things on his mind at once to figure out a plan like that. He is much more in the moment, as opposed to what is going on in the future.
Archer
07-02-2007, 04:39 PM
Honestly, that's just the difference in how they think. T'Challa likes to have everything figured out in advance. His genius is in being a master planner. Reed has too many things on his mind at once to figure out a plan like that. He is much more in the moment, as opposed to what is going on in the future.
And I would love McDuffie to be able to convey that to me (who is not a BP fan and has very little knowledge of BP outside of this comic), but what I got from the issue was not "Hah, awesome, he has all his ducks laid out in advance" but rather "no matter how much we ever build up tension when BP is around, it doesn't matter, cos back home he'll have a box to deal with the situation."
Great example of comic writing conveying a hero having a master plan - the Jenkins Inhumans series. Yes, it was a mini rather than a single issue, but if you can't convey "master planner who has a contingency for every situation" in a single issue without making him look like a deus ex machina, IMO it's best not to do it.
All in my opinion, of course - when it comes down to it, as written, the scene did not work for me but it did work for you. Me explaining why it didn't work for you won't change your mind, and you explaining why it didn't work for me won't change yours.
Btw, is there anything limiting the use of Soloman's Frogs? If not, I very much hope Reed and his crew pop over to Titan to rescue Sue with them, rather than the slower journey by ship. If there *is*
StoneGold
07-02-2007, 04:51 PM
Btw, is there anything limiting the use of Soloman's Frogs? If not, I very much hope Reed and his crew pop over to Titan to rescue Sue with them, rather than the slower journey by ship. If there *is*
Only that they don't work all that well, and you're likely to create your retarded psychic twin brother with them.
G. Boney
07-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Bimbo Storm was annoying though.
When has Storm ever acted like that...
:confused: "Bimbo"? What about her scene with Ben...which was played for laughs...came across as bimbo-ish to you?
I like that Pym disrespects Black Panther in this, because I felt it was kind of fast that Panther, all of a sudden, became respectable. Strange, also, that Pym took this stance, considering in CW #7, Pym and Panther shook hands, when Pym won that award.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. He's been a respected member of the Avengers for years...
jackolover
07-02-2007, 09:26 PM
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. He's been a respected member of the Avengers for years...
Hank Pym still considered Panther a member or supporter of the anti-reg side, in this issue, and wonders why Reed is friendly with him. I know Hank and Panther are previuos fellow members of the Avengers, but CW seems to have soured Hanks view on Panther.
Deus ex Chris
07-02-2007, 10:15 PM
:confused: "Bimbo"? What about her scene with Ben...which was played for laughs...came across as bimbo-ish to you?
Played for laughs or not, it was indicative of the way she's been handled by McDuffie and Hudlin. Both write her as is she were just a regular African-American woman, which she's not. I think they're trying to make her really relatable, and in my mind, that goes against the core of the character. Dave Cockrum and Lein Wein created a character based on the goddess archetype, and Claremont followed through with that. She isn't supposed to be relatable. She isn't supposed to act like our moms or aunts or the nice lady down the street. That isn't Storm. Anyway, I don't mind humor, but making her shallow and defensive about her self-image isn't the way to get it. Well, at least she's back in Uncanny X-Men now, where Brubaker has her acting like herself.
Frank
07-03-2007, 10:14 PM
When I heard about Dwayne McDuffie being the future writer on Justice League, I thought I'd check out what was going on with his Fantastic Four run. I was a little hesitant, though, because I am completely uninterested in Marvel Zombies comics. It sounds to me like a cool idea taken way too far, kind of like the X-Men.
When I found out those things were being covered in the Black Panther series instead of the FF comic, that was the final straw. I've now picked up the last two issues and loved them both.
SPOILERS (if that hasn't already been assumed at this point in the thread)
Hank Pym provided my favorite moments in the newest issue. He twisted under Black Panther's direction in one scene, and in the highlight of the issue, he brainstormed with Reed Richards about a strange object found in space. The brainstorming conversation was interesting, moved a subplot forward, showcased Reed Richards' astonishing intellect, and was occasionally comical.
The central threat, the Frightful Four, essentially gears up in this issue. They capture a Fantastic Four character and lay a nasty trap for the rest. How the team deals with them is left in cliffhanger mode.
That sounds interesting. I'm a huge Pym fan.
Magneto_X
07-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Thanks.
Now I thought that the Fantastic Four were going to battle the Marvel Zombies at some point. Is that true. or did I read something wrong?:confused:
They did. It happened in Black Panther IIRC.
Johnny and T'Challa even talk about it in the start of the issue.
G. Boney
07-04-2007, 03:48 PM
Played for laughs or not, it was indicative of the way she's been handled by McDuffie and Hudlin. Both write her as is she were just a regular African-American woman, which she's not. I think they're trying to make her really relatable, and in my mind, that goes against the core of the character. Dave Cockrum and Lein Wein created a character based on the goddess archetype, and Claremont followed through with that. She isn't supposed to be relatable. She isn't supposed to act like our moms or aunts or the nice lady down the street. That isn't Storm. Anyway, I don't mind humor, but making her shallow and defensive about her self-image isn't the way to get it. Well, at least she's back in Uncanny X-Men now, where Brubaker has her acting like herself.
Okay that is your opinion. It doesn't address the "bimbo" statement that I quoted though...
I don't understand why Hank Pym has some animosity towards T'Challa. In Civil War #7, they were shaking hands and smiling on the cover of TIME. I guess that was just for the cameras.
Daouda
08-07-2007, 09:51 PM
This issue of FF was great as usual.
Pyro Yeah that cover was definately just for public consumption.
Regarding Storm:
McDuffie addresses negative reaction to his writing of Storm on his forum.
http://www.thevhive.com/forum/messages.php?webtag=DWAYNEMCDUFFIE&msg=1750.1
Why make Ororo human at all? Why not a sentient polyhedron or weather controlling flea? Wein and Cockrum initially designed the character to be a cat-woman.
But that is not what was published.
Saying that Storm wasn't written relatable would be noteable if Marvel wrote any relatable black characters. But, as has been noted in other threads, the writers' knowledge of African or African-American culture was unenlightened to say the least.:mad:
Marvel first black hero, Black Panther, was as relatable as Reed Richards + Captain America could be. But his attitude and prowess was strangely changed after Lee and Kirby's initial introduction.
Marvel's most popular "black" hero, Luke Cage, is not the "jive" talking character that graced his '70 comics and left my child self wondering if black people somewhere talked liked him because no one in Harlem, where I was born, did.
As humorous as it was for Cage to ask Dr. Doom "Where's my money honey?" before beating Doom's ass for $200 dollars, his character is written better now.
Storm is still written powerfully and is more respected then ever. Did you read her exchange with Tony Stark in Black Panther 24? "Keep threatening me. Please." *KRA-BOOM!* She gave him a verbal thrashing that not even Cap got away with. His men wanted to kill her!
T'Challa, who threatened his uncle with dismissal, listens to his wife.
Her casual dispersion of Hydroman in this months issue of FF was flawless!
The old writers may not have been up to the task or, like Claremont's wish to pair Storm with BP years ago, didn't have editorial support.
Ororo is finally written as a well rounded character.
She is also in love. She is a queen. She can be relax.
She is not the unknowable *other*.
Storm is an African-American Woman in every sense of the term.:)
Excelsior!
Daoud
StoneGold
08-07-2007, 11:09 PM
Storm is an African-American Woman in every sense of the term.:)
Except for, you know, the American part.
tjarvis
08-07-2007, 11:24 PM
Except for, you know, the American part.
Technically, she is an American citizen based upon her father.
And she certainly lived in America for a long time with the X-Men, which could be said to have Americanized her attitude. I mean, how many Africans do you know who go around in mohawks and black leather?
StoneGold
08-07-2007, 11:42 PM
Technically, she is an American citizen based upon her father.
And she certainly lived in America for a long time with the X-Men, which could be said to have Americanized her attitude. I mean, how many Africans do you know who go around in mohawks and black leather?
Which she started doing in Japan.
Seriously though, she spent the first two decades or so of her life in Africa. Generally, people like that tend not to be hyphenated. Would probably take some level of offense at it themselves. Especially after becoming the sovereign queen of a foreign nation.
Technically, she is an American citizen based upon her father.
And she certainly lived in America for a long time with the X-Men, which could be said to have Americanized her attitude. I mean, how many Africans do you know who go around in mohawks and black leather?
She was also born in America, Manhattan to be precise, so that makes her a citizen right?
StoneGold
08-08-2007, 12:56 AM
She was also born in America, Manhattan to be precise, so that makes her a citizen right?
Did they change that at some point when I wasn't paying attention?
This is back from the Claremont days. She was born in Manhattan, but moved with her parents to Cairo when she was six months old, and stayed in Africa until she was recruited by Xavier.
She was also born in America, Manhattan to be precise, so that makes her a citizen right?
According to her bio, she was born in the US. So yeah, she is a citizen. Though she moved to africa at a very early age... so culturally speaking she probably wasn't terribly westernized until her time with the Xmen.
Sean Whitmore
08-08-2007, 01:54 AM
According to her bio, she was born in the US. So yeah, she is a citizen. Though she moved to africa at a very early age... so culturally speaking she probably wasn't terribly westernized until her time with the Xmen.
I don't think there can be any argument there.
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