View Full Version : Cable and Deadpool #42 - Summary/Review
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 11:09 AM
Well this is a sad issue for fans of the series. While we don't wanna jump to conclusions, this did feel like a farewell Cable issue.
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It starts off w/ Irene on one of the evict ships. She's talking to herself about what happened and asks the questions: If the dreamer dies, what happens to the dream?
We flash to a beautiful splash page by Malin. It's a flashback to a battle Cable had in the future. He was holding the line defending transport hubs. They had the coordinates to every place they have bodyslid, all the resistance safehouses. He said he was willing to sacrifice his life so Apocalypse didn't get that information. A woman steps up and says she'll make sure they are destoryed. She sacrifices herself to save Cable and the rest.
Cable doesn't remember her name as he tells Deadpool this story. He says that he must destory the information. Deadpool says he'll go and hunt down who it is that is on the island. Cable tells him to go get the back up bypass. Apprently it's the backup of what Cable is trying to destroy. Gambit over hears this.
They split up after a funny little scene and actually, quite touching too.
The fight scenes between Cable and Gambit and Sunfire from X-Men #200 take place now. Exact dialogue.
Wade goes to Cable's apartment on the island to get the bypass. It's in the statue of the blue people from the first arc. Fitting. Just then these energy whips grab Deadpool's wrist, Wade shouts out that, "It's not Thursday". We see the Acolyte Suvik Senyaka. Deadpool talks, jokes while they fight. Deadpool falls out the window and Senyaka takesthe statue w/ the core in it. Outside Senyaka runs until he is smashed in the back of the head w/ a light pole. Deadpool regains the statue and begins to run.
Cable and Gambit and Sunfire continue to fight. Cable is a bit distracted, he's still trying to remember her name. He goes on about how a leader knows what's important, about when to fight, when to lose. He runs to the place where the core is and gets the Professor to block the doors. He turns on his teleportation device and try's to get it more power. He's still trying to destory the information.
Cable manages to get enough power to the device to bodyslide.
Outside Wade grabs the statue. He says that Nate entrusted him with this, that it's important, then he begins to wonder why; *bodyslide by one* just then he's bodyslided out of there.
Cable says that it was important for Gambit and Sunfire to follow him and not Wade, Wade was important and didn't even know it. Cable smiles and says that he remembers her name now. "Requiem" is whispered from Cable's lips and the island starts to glow. Gambit and Sunfire run. A huge explosion is show and Providence is no more. Cable w/ it. Senyaka...maybe.
Wade is sent to his apartment, cracks open the statue and holds the core in his hands. He says he wasn't worth it.
Review: Damn you Mike Carey...damn you. But God Bless you Fabian I think this was the best issue of Cable and Deadpool you've done, right up there w/ the Captain America issue, the Burnt Offering. It was touching, funny, intense. Just great stuff. I'm so sad on one hand that it looks like Cable is dead, but on the other this issue was so well done it makes it worth while.
As for the art, Malin and Brown rotate on this and it's done well. I prefer Malin since his characters seem to carry more weight, but Brown is talented. Great job to both.
Nyssane
06-27-2007, 11:12 AM
Whaaaat?! Senyaka?! Does that mean... more Acolytes might be on the way?! If the Kleinstocks appear in C&D, I'd marry Fabian.
Slant
06-27-2007, 11:12 AM
Good issue. Tied everything up together real well. Senyaka was a surprise as well.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure Cable is really dead.
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 11:14 AM
Whaaaat?! Senyaka?! Does that mean... more Acolytes might be on the way?! If the Kleinstocks appear in C&D, I'd marry Fabian.
Him being there and Exodus w/ the Acolytes probably means they are working w/ the Marauders. We do know Exodus attacks the school. You have the attack in Mississippi by the Marauders, Exodus attacks the school, and Gambit/Sunfire/Senyaka attack Providence.
Beast
06-27-2007, 11:15 AM
I honestly doubt that Carey forced the death on Fabian.
Sounds like a good issue though. I guess much like Captain America, C&D will be Cable-less. And with the rumors of a Deadpool solo series. Not sure how much longer C&D will comtinue. Hopefully at least until 50, to have it go out with a bang. That would at least make the most sense in my honest opinion.
Grunty
06-27-2007, 11:16 AM
I think... this was a good issue.
I loved it how everything in Cables future looked so strangely like in the 90s.
Like Brian here said there are many bits that let it feel like a goodbye issue.
One very tinny but important thing was the little statue. The Priest who wanted to turn everyone into blue people was the very first arc of Cable and Deadpool. Also it was also in the aftermath of that arc that Cable build Providence which now went down with him.
Sunfire and Gambit where just as creepy as they where in X-men 200 which was good as well.
Strangly it now looks like Cable and Deadpool wents into the same direction as the Captain America comic with the main character (one of the two) missing.
However unlike Cap we don't see his corps a million time.
And everyone who has a name and dissapears in a big explotion is not necesary dead in comics.
Nyssane
06-27-2007, 11:17 AM
Him being there and Exodus w/ the Acolytes probably means they are working w/ the Marauders. We do know Exodus attacks the school. You have the attack in Mississippi by the Marauders, Exodus attacks the school, and Gambit/Sunfire/Senyaka attack Providence.
That's awesome. Hopefully there'll be more Acolyte appearances in Endangered Species, besides the ones we knew would appear (Exodus, Frenzy, Random, and Tempo).
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 11:18 AM
I think... this was a good issue.
I loved it how everything in Cables future looked so strangely like in the 90s.
Like Brian here said there are many bits that let it feel like a goodbye issue.
One very tinny but important thing was the little statue. The Priest who wanted to turn everyone into blue people was the very first arc of Cable and Deadpool. Also it was also in the aftermath of that arc that Cable build Providence which now went down with him.
Sunfire and Gambit where just as creepy as they where in X-men 200 which was good as well.
Strangly it now looks like Cable and Deadpool wents into the same direction as the Captain America comic with the main character (one of the two) missing.
However unlike Cap we don't see his corps a million time.
And everyone who has a name and dissapears in a big explotion is not necesary dead in comics.
Yea, I mean easy retcon is he managed to bodyslide out of there aswell, just not to the sameplace Wade did. But still, in this book, w/ it's sales and the stuff from Mike Carey that has been said, it feels like a real death.
Nyssane
06-27-2007, 11:23 AM
So wait... isn't this part of the crossover? Wikipedia's list of Endangered Species only has the one-shot and X-Men #200 for this month... *confused*
Vegetarian Goat
06-27-2007, 11:23 AM
Isn't this like, the eighth time Cable's died? He'll be back.
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 11:24 AM
So wait... isn't this part of the crossover? Wikipedia's list of Endangered Species only has the one-shot and X-Men #200 for this month... *confused*
This is still tied into #200. This is the last issue I think that does that.
kate-pryde
06-27-2007, 11:37 AM
I don't believe that Cable is dead. Maybe I'm in denial, but I don't buy it. Cable has too much potential to be killed off randomly like this. Plus it doesn't bode well for Cable & Deadpool, which had received a good push from Civil War and now from this X-over. Why waste that by killing off Cable now?
Affinity
06-27-2007, 11:39 AM
See, I don't think its clear enough how crucial this issue is to the Cable parts of X-Men #200. And that's annoying kind of. Or maybe I'm just dumb.
I like the cover a lot! I saw it and knew I should be doin something but I didn't pick it up. I guess I was pretty much lost during issue 200.
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 11:40 AM
See, I don't think its clear enough how crucial this issue is to the Cable parts of X-Men #200. And that's annoying kind of. Or maybe I'm just dumb.
I like the cover a lot! I saw it and knew I should be doin something but I didn't pick it up. I guess I was pretty much lost during issue 200.
The only thing this adds to the Cable parts of #200 is the inner dialogue of Cable. Other then that, word for word #200.
Diablito
06-27-2007, 11:46 AM
This issue was amazing. I loved the portrayal's of all the characters, and it was nice to see Cable comparing his death to a soldier from his past. Although I'm sad Nathan died, it was a heroic death. I was also happy he died an X-Man.
Oh, and anyone else love the cover? Skottie Young draws a kickass Sunfire!
Jon Malin
06-27-2007, 12:05 PM
As for the art, Malin and Brown rotate on this and it's done well. I prefer Malin since his characters seem to carry more weight, but Brown is talented. Great job to both.
Thanks, Brian. This is the first review I've read and I'm glad you dug it.
Hope everyone can give the book a flip through, I just got my copies a little bit ago. I really enjoyed Reilly's half as well. Great job.
This is my first Marvel work, I was blown away to see my name on the cover, my wife had to point it out to me.
If you liked the work, let Marvel know MHEROES@Marvel.com then perhaps I'll be able to get a second gig from them.
-Jon
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 12:07 PM
I'm sure it was a pretty big thrill to see your name there on the cover. I liked your art b/c your characters seemed to, I guess, bigger. I know you have your own style but it kinda reminded me of Zircher and the way he drew his Cable, they carried themselves and had a presence. Brown's while great too, just seem a little too smile for my taste I guess. I'll be sure to send a email to Marvel. Hopefully those who enjoyed the book and your part will too.
Jeremi
06-27-2007, 12:46 PM
Whaaaat?! Senyaka?! Does that mean... more Acolytes might be on the way?! If the Kleinstocks appear in C&D, I'd marry Fabian.
OMG! OMG! OMG! Senyaka’s alive? * Dose the happy dance. Now they just have to bring back Seamus Mellencamp and I’m happy.
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 12:47 PM
OMG! OMG! OMG! Senyaka’s alive? * Dose the happy dance. Now they just have to bring back Seamus Mellencamp and I’m happy.
Well...he was alive...I didn't see him get off the Island. Doesn't mean he didn't, just saying he didn't bodyslide away like Deadpool did, so...
Jeremi
06-27-2007, 12:50 PM
Well...he was alive...I didn't see him get off the Island. Doesn't mean he didn't, just saying he didn't bodyslide away like Deadpool did, so...
* Stops doing the happy dance. What? But he just, he couldn’t…FABIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!! * Calms down. Well he just jumped in the water as Providence exploded see problem solved!
Brian M.
06-27-2007, 12:52 PM
* Stops doing the happy dance. What? But he just, he couldn’t…FABIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!! * Calms down. Well he just jumped in the water as Providence exploded see problem solved!
I also didn't see Gambit and Sunfire get off the Island either but we know they are alive.
Beast
06-27-2007, 12:54 PM
* Stops doing the happy dance. What? But he just, he couldn’t…FABIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!! * Calms down. Well he just jumped in the water as Providence exploded see problem solved!
Wasn't he inside a sealed off building when he blew the island. So that would be a big stretch. Not to mention we were told that someone would die in X-Men #200. Seems pretty final to me.
Karthak
06-27-2007, 01:07 PM
And yet another of my favorite characters bites the dust...
drwho
06-27-2007, 01:36 PM
I thought the comparison was cool, but I can't see Cable being gone for long. Especially when he is a costar of his own book where we havent heard any news of it being canceled.
The Lucky One
06-27-2007, 01:46 PM
I've never liked Cable. Ever. I hated him in his New Mutants ruining days, and while I respect that the character has grown and changed since then, he's just never quite clicked with me. So I can't be sorry he's gone...
...but it does sound like this issue was very well done, and that his death had pathos and served a greater purpose. So for that, and on behalf of those who were fans of his: here's to you, Cable. Rest in peace, Nathan Christopher Dayspring Askani'son Summers.
-D
Nyssane
06-27-2007, 01:46 PM
Thanks, Brian. This is the first review I've read and I'm glad you dug it.
Hope everyone can give the book a flip through, I just got my copies a little bit ago. I really enjoyed Reilly's half as well. Great job.
This is my first Marvel work, I was blown away to see my name on the cover, my wife had to point it out to me.
If you liked the work, let Marvel know MHEROES@Marvel.com then perhaps I'll be able to get a second gig from them.
-Jon
Maliin. :( I went to the store with two issues in my mind, but my comic shop only had one left! So, I mean, it's good that it sold out, but I was sad I couldn't get two like I promised. When I go get comics next I'll have to go to a different shop and buy another one. :D
Beast
06-27-2007, 01:52 PM
I thought the comparison was cool, but I can't see Cable being gone for long. Especially when he is a costar of his own book where we havent heard any news of it being canceled.
It worked for Captain America. And there's already a Deadpool solo being rumored.
Faded
06-27-2007, 02:03 PM
ZOMG what a cool cover!
I did not see this on the stands, so either I overlooked it or it was sold out. Sounds good though.
Most interesting to me: Senyaka. Don't really care about him, but didn't he die? I wonder if Sinister has been collecting either the Acolytes DNA or of those who died on Genosha.
It'd be cool if more of the Acolytes return. If Scanner and Unuscione appeared, I'd die but still manage to pick up five copies beyond the grave.
Nyssane
06-27-2007, 02:13 PM
ZOMG what a cool cover!
I did not see this on the stands, so either I overlooked it or it was sold out. Sounds good though.
Most interesting to me: Senyaka. Don't really care about him, but didn't he die? I wonder if Sinister has been collecting either the Acolytes DNA or of those who died on Genosha.
It'd be cool if more of the Acolytes return. If Scanner and Unuscione appeared, I'd die but still manage to pick up five copies beyond the grave.
Did you see in the Carey thread? Unuscione is in #202!!! And expect more classic Acolytes after ES!
I don't think Senyaka died, I think that was a screw-up in New Avengers meant to be a random Acolyte. Besides, dying hasn't kept him from coming back in the past.
Anyway, I just read the issue... loved it. I absolutely adore the relationship between Cable and Deadpool, and I'm going to be really sad if Cable really is dead (which he looks to be). The "goodbye" between the two of them was really sweet. I loved Deadpool's battle with Senyaka, it was hilarious and I love how Fabian never chumps out any of the old team-member villains by having them knocked out in three panels like most other writers do. Senyaka was actually very threatening and I loved that. I also loved the way Malin drew Sunfire, he was very sexy in the issue.
I am interested to see how the book is going to play out now. I love Deadpool so it won't bother me if it becomes just Deadpool (and maybe Bob could replace Cable).
*goes off to e-mail Marvel about Malin*
patch
06-27-2007, 02:19 PM
good issue..but nothing is more survivable in comics than "death by huge explosion" and since joe q seems obsessed with "the way things were " when it comes to the x-universe, this seems like an easy way to regress cable into his underground days.
Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
06-27-2007, 02:51 PM
oh god
why couldn't it have been Raquel?
WHY mike Carey why ;)
I don't think cable's dead. I think the whole Messiah Complex pits Bishop vs. Cable about what the future really holds for the xmen and mutants
Hi-Fi
06-27-2007, 03:13 PM
This was ok. Deadpool's part was the best. Good fight.
Volk1
06-27-2007, 03:27 PM
I was actually emotional for Cable here. I grew to like him even though I never did.
Fabian had set up a genuinely interesting, thought-proving character arc for Cable since Issue #1.
To see Cable go out like this is truly the end of his dream. And Fabian's as well it seems. It seems like Fabian is self-sacrificing himself as well for the greater good of the bigger X-events.
*emotion*
Well done by all. *applaudes*
Now, for some Deadpool luv!:)
Beast
06-27-2007, 03:29 PM
oh god
why couldn't it have been Raquel?
WHY mike Carey why ;)
I don't think cable's dead. I think the whole Messiah Complex pits Bishop vs. Cable about what the future really holds for the xmen and mutants
Raquel? Who's Raquel? Raquel Welch? :confused:
And from Mike Carey's comments, the lack of Cable in Cable/Deadpool from now on, Deadpool 'starring' in part of Marvel Comics Presents', and an upcoming Deadpool solo... Cable's dead.
CMBMOOL
06-27-2007, 03:35 PM
Wasn't he inside a sealed off building when he blew the island. So that would be a big stretch. Not to mention we were told that someone would die in X-Men #200. Seems pretty final to me.
Oh come on, Cable been "dead" before, plus doesn't he have a major supporting part in the upcoming X-over event ? :(
Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
06-27-2007, 03:48 PM
yes
raquel is rachel....i just have this funny image in my head of Jean not remember Rachel's name and calling her Raquel
Red Lotus
06-27-2007, 04:05 PM
I said Deadpool would be fighting some one else :p , but Senyaka. The one thing that I didn't like was that Fabian really didn't get to do anything with Gambit. :mad:
with the rumors of a Deadpool solo series.
What rumors. Where did you hear this. Please let it be true.
Deadpooligan
06-27-2007, 04:06 PM
Man, that... was just so sad...
That goodbye between our favorite bosom buddies... Deadpool ending up exactly where he started (for a second time!) without Cable...
A real downer, even DP's depressed again.
Very well handled by Fabes, and Malin and Reilly really delivered on the art.
I mean, Deadpool gets a solo out of this, but at the cost of a comedy duo... a gain and loss all in one deal...
Cthulhudrew
06-27-2007, 07:34 PM
That was great, and it really did feel like a farewell (and a well done one; Wade and Nate's parting actually seemed genuine, which is a testimony to how well Fabian's developed their relationship over the last 42 issues- I was skeptical that they could ever really become friends on any level back when I picked up issue #1, and wondered how Fabian would manage to have them always work together throughout the series. Kudos!)
I'm kind of skeptical about him dying for real, though- he was in there with Gambit and Sunfire, and Gambit at least is supposed to be appearing in X-Men, so... :confused:
Anyway, it looks like this is going to be Deadpool's book again for at least a little while.
We got the answer to the power question that was still looming after last issue- the Mummudrai power is faded. Does Cable still have his infonet and force field? Didn't appear to have access to them here, but maybe his link to them was only temporarily severed by his bonding with the Mummudrai and they can return? (I hope so.)
I did think that the Fixer's "fix" with the Phalanx-embryo meant that the techno-organics of Cable's left side weren't parasitic any longer, but he made a comment in this issue that seems to indicate they still are.
Anyhoot- good issue. I still think last issue was pretty much one of the highest marks of the series with all it managed to accomplish. This one's still great, but just didn't blow me away like last ish. Probably because it was more Cable oriented rather than being a showcase for both equally.
In any event, getting two issues of C/DP in one month? Rocks!
[EDIT- BTW, I don't read any other X-Books, though I've been kind of reading about the Carey Marauders storyline. What's the deal- are the Marauders (and Acolytes?) going around killing anyone/anything with ties to the future?]
No more Cable and Deadpool. :(
Well, bring on....
Bob, Agent of Hydra and Deadpool
"Can two men, who wear masks, share an apartment,
score some chicks, and fight for truth, justice, and money
before driving each other insane? Guest starring Wolverine."
Deadpooligan
06-27-2007, 08:24 PM
No more Cable and Deadpool. :(
Well, bring on....
Bob, Agent of Hydra and Deadpool
"Can two men, who wear masks, share an apartment,
score some chicks, and fight for truth, justice, and money
before driving each other insane? Guest starring Wolverine."
I think it'd be pretty cool if they changed the book's logo with strikethru and new names until Deadpool gets a new partner.
Wolverine & Deadpool? Nah.
Bob, Agent of Hydra & Deadpool? It's got good potential.
But I wanna see Bullseye & Deadpool or Taskmaster & Deadpool f'sure.
Cthulhudrew
06-27-2007, 08:33 PM
What about Deadpool and Quantum & Woody? :)
The Lucky One
06-27-2007, 09:29 PM
yes
raquel is rachel....i just have this funny image in my head of Jean not remember Rachel's name and calling her Raquel
But that would make Rachel dead while Cable continued to live. Which would prove conclusively that God is dead.
I... I want God to still be alive. Don't you? :(
-D
The Lucky One
06-27-2007, 09:31 PM
What about Deadpool and Quantum & Woody? :)
Excellent combo, though I personally will cast my vote for Deadpool and Barry Ween. Deadpool + Jeremy = comic gold.
Or failing that, Deadpool and Zot. Or Deadpool/Blue Monday.
Really any awesome indie comic that doesn't get published anymore, actually.
-D
jarrod
06-27-2007, 09:33 PM
Hmm... Marvel Girl & Deadpool? they could share outfitz!
Erik Lehnsherr
06-27-2007, 09:35 PM
One step closer to Deadpool getting his own book without Cable holding him down. Works for me.
That was great, and it really did feel like a farewell (and a well done one; Wade and Nate's parting actually seemed genuine, which is a testimony to how well Fabian's developed their relationship over the last 42 issues- I was skeptical that they could ever really become friends on any level back when I picked up issue #1, and wondered how Fabian would manage to have them always work together throughout the series. Kudos!)
I'm kind of skeptical about him dying for real, though- he was in there with Gambit and Sunfire, and Gambit at least is supposed to be appearing in X-Men, so... :confused:
[EDIT- BTW, I don't read any other X-Books, though I've been kind of reading about the Carey Marauders storyline. What's the deal- are the Marauders (and Acolytes?) going around killing anyone/anything with ties to the future?]
I agree, it was a really good issue. I like the introspective Cable, and I've really liked the past three issues because of that. It makes him more than just a talking head, which I feel like is the case of many characters in a book with a large cast like X-men. This really felt like a goodbye to Cable, and I just hope that Fabian got to dictate how he went. There's not much room for Cable escaping via body slide considering the Professor said there wasn't any auxiliary power other than the teleporter Wade used. I do hope he comes back eventually, I really like Cable :(
As far as the time-displaced people, it does appear the Mauraders are killing them all. Maybe they learned something about the future, and are either looking to confirm it, or kill anybody who knows what might happen and might be able to stop them.
It also looks like Senyaka probably bit the dust. Not only did the island blow up, Wade shoved his sword right through his chest.
The whole statue thing confused me at first...I thought it was the datacore, but at the end I realized it was only a teleporter. I wonder why Cable felt Deadpool was so important though? Deadpool can handle himself...I'm sure between himself and Cable they could've fought off Gambit and Sunfire. Alas I guess that's what happens when the larger books dictate that Cable dies.
Jon, great work in this book! I really hope you get some more work at Marvel in the near future.
Majinlex
06-28-2007, 03:02 AM
...The one thing that I didn't like was that Fabian really didn't get to do anything with Gambit. :mad: ...
Judging by Cables thoughts this issue, either Fabian doesn't like Gambit or Cable doesn't. I couldn't figure out which. I know Fabian used to write Gambit so maybe it was Cables dislike or maybe Fabian doesn't like what's been done with Gambit recently...
wait, they offed xman because dispite huge differences in character and looks they decided they didnt want to of the same character around
and now they off cable?
oh bravo marvel. i'm officially done if this pans out to be true.
rwsmith
06-28-2007, 07:11 AM
I agree. Bravo! I plan to buy even more Marvel books to show my support of this move to rid the Universe of chronal anomalies.
Deadpooligan
06-28-2007, 09:43 AM
I know a lot of you Cable fans are disappointed out there... and I've got just one thing to say...
KEEP BUYING THIS BOOK! You know Cable would want you to support his best-buddy-ever, Deadpool!
And c'mon, can you say "No" to that face?
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4268/dpeh5.jpg
dreyson
06-28-2007, 09:55 AM
I can't believe they killed Cable. what was the point of all that stuff with him being repowered? I was starting to like Cable again and they go and kill him. dammit!
I can't stand Deadpool, so I'm dropping this.
Deadpooligan
06-28-2007, 10:03 AM
I can't believe they killed Cable. what was the point of all that stuff with him being repowered? I was starting to like Cable again and they go and kill him. dammit!
I can't stand Deadpool, so I'm dropping this.
Deadpooligan stood... corrected, much to his dismay. He thought to himself, "Some people just don't know comedy, mayhap."
Red Lotus
06-28-2007, 10:03 AM
I know a lot of you Cable fans are disappointed out there... and I've got just one thing to say...
KEEP BUYING THIS BOOK! You know Cable would want you to support his best-buddy-ever, Deadpool!
And c'mon, can you say "No" to that face?
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4268/dpeh5.jpg
I'm going in and adding this book to my pull list next week.
Nyssane
06-28-2007, 11:31 AM
It also looks like Senyaka probably bit the dust. Not only did the island blow up, Wade shoved his sword right through his chest.
I don't recall Deadpool stabbing Senyaka, Cable teleported him away before the island exploded. And if Gambit can outrun the explosion, I'm sure Senyaka can (especially since he's farther away than the pair).
Kevin Vetter
06-28-2007, 03:49 PM
Deadpool put is sword in senyakas back and it came out through his chest but it didn't seem to have any affect on him.
Somebody
06-28-2007, 04:27 PM
Damn you Mike Carey...damn you. But God Bless you Fabian I think this was the best issue of Cable and Deadpool you've done, right up there w/ the Captain America issue, the Burnt Offering. It was touching, funny, intense. Just great stuff. I'm so sad on one hand that it looks like Cable is dead, but on the other this issue was so well done it makes it worth while.
Except for the last half of the last sentence, I entirely agree with you. Doubly so on the first sentence...
Fabian had set up a genuinely interesting, thought-proving character arc for Cable since Issue #1.
To see Cable go out like this is truly the end of his dream. And Fabian's as well it seems. It seems like Fabian is self-sacrificing himself as well for the greater good of the bigger X-events.
*emotion*
Well done by all. *applaudes*
Yeah....
It also looks like Senyaka probably bit the dust. Not only did the island blow up, Wade shoved his sword right through his chest.
Senyanka's a self-resurrectionist (seriously, he was killed stone-dead by Magneto in his first appearance, only to bring himself back to life later on). He almost certainly drained off enough from DP to be okay - and if Gambit & Sunfire made it, he should too.
Brian M.
06-28-2007, 04:34 PM
I was dead wrong in my summary of this issue. Cable doesn't give him the core. He tells Wade it's something important but it's just the teleporter. Cable already had Irene, Domino and the civilians off the island all he had to worry about was Deadpool. He even says at the end that you do the things you do for those you care about and the last part "care about" is on the page w/ Deadpool. It makes his sacrifice all the more touching I think.
Crimson King
06-28-2007, 05:45 PM
Next new comic: Agent C
another guy shows up at Agency X, this time with a c shaped scar on his head. He is revealed to be the corpse of Gambit with the personality of Cable, Gambit and the other guy. Cable is revealed to be alive and Deadpool tells cable he ripped him off with that move. :D
rilokyle
06-28-2007, 10:27 PM
See, I don't think its clear enough how crucial this issue is to the Cable parts of X-Men #200. And that's annoying kind of. Or maybe I'm just dumb.
I like the cover a lot! I saw it and knew I should be doin something but I didn't pick it up. I guess I was pretty much lost during issue 200.
I totally agree. It's like Marvel didn't even bother letting readers know they should check out C&D for more Cable stuff. I mean, they filled #200 with tons of solicts for upcoming issues of New X-Men, X-Factor, and Uncanny, but why couldn't they even put a footnote in saying to read C&D #42? That's ridiculous. It's like the editors don't even care, nor want to promote this tie-in.
Well, at least now the Cable scenes in X-Men make more sense. I was SO incredibly confused as to what was happening there. Especially when he said "Requiem." Marvel used to be all about footnotes. What happened?
Anyways, I've never been a Cable fan. He never interested me much, but for some reason he's really grown on me in the last few months, under Mike Carey's pen. But I guess I'm too late now. :( I miss Cable already!
rilokyle
06-28-2007, 10:29 PM
I can't believe they killed Cable. what was the point of all that stuff with him being repowered? I was starting to like Cable again and they go and kill him. dammit!
I can't stand Deadpool, so I'm dropping this.
I'm assuming they took away his telekinesis so that Cable wouldn't have any defenses against Gambit and Sunfire. :(
I totally agree. It's like Marvel didn't even bother letting readers know they should check out C&D for more Cable stuff. I mean, they filled #200 with tons of solicts for upcoming issues of New X-Men, X-Factor, and Uncanny, but why couldn't they even put a footnote in saying to read C&D #42? That's ridiculous. It's like the editors don't even care, nor want to promote this tie-in.
Well, at least now the Cable scenes in X-Men make more sense. I was SO incredibly confused as to what was happening there. Especially when he said "Requiem." Marvel used to be all about footnotes. What happened?
Yeah Marvel's been pretty bad about not including the non-mainstream books. Which seems totally odd, because those books are the ones that need to be mentioned more.
I think the footnotes went the way of the thought bubble. They were probably considered too cartoony to allow comics to be taken more seriously. I think it's a shame because as a result I'm often left wondering what's going on, instead of knowing what other issues I can look at.
I too am confused why they repowered Cable, but at the very least they needed to take away his infonet and gravimetric technologies in order to make him beatable by the likes of Gambit and Sunfire. I was disappointed to see him lose so easily in X-men, but C&D gave him a much more fitting battle.
Majinlex
06-29-2007, 03:21 AM
Next new comic: Agent C
another guy shows up at Agency X, this time with a c shaped scar on his head. He is revealed to be the corpse of Gambit with the personality of Cable, Gambit and the other guy. Cable is revealed to be alive and Deadpool tells cable he ripped him off with that move. :D
Brilliant, I'd love to see that :D
Especially if UDON draw it.
I think one of the reasons Marvel don't include footnotes anymore is that it doesn't work well in trades. They usually have a note or something in the recap page. (like "this issue takes place before Civil War #6")
Karthak
06-29-2007, 03:45 AM
Next new comic: Agent C
another guy shows up at Agency X, this time with a c shaped scar on his head. He is revealed to be the corpse of Gambit with the personality of Cable, Gambit and the other guy. Cable is revealed to be alive and Deadpool tells cable he ripped him off with that move. :D
You know, this is so insane that it might actually work.:D
proteus
06-29-2007, 05:27 PM
Has it been confirmed that Cable is dead? I can't really believe that Marvel would kill him off.
sifon
06-29-2007, 05:58 PM
Well, nobody said Cable's dead and you never saw him dead, so they definitely left the door open for a return.
Nite-Wing
06-29-2007, 06:02 PM
yet another mutant dead so sad
Canemacar
06-29-2007, 06:08 PM
From the looks of things, Sinister is no longer interested in his "weapon" (Cable that is) against Apocalypse.
ScottySummers
06-29-2007, 07:09 PM
I've never been a Cable fan but what a send off this issue was, if that is indeed the case. And to make me feel for a character I've never felt for before, bravo Mr Nicieza.
Two parts really hit the emotional nail on the head. Firstly, Deadpool's "Do not say thank you. Do not say you're proud of me. Do not say goodbye" followed by Cable thinking, 'Thank you. I'm proud of you. Goodbye.' So simple yet so effective.
Secondly, "I wasn't worth it...and I won't let you down..." Awww! I only jumped onboard this title with #39 but I'm sticking with this and wherever Deadpool ends up next.
Great cover too.
Cthulhudrew
06-29-2007, 07:25 PM
Has it been confirmed that Cable is dead? I can't really believe that Marvel would kill him off.
Nope, nothing confirmed. Since Sunfire and Gambit should both have been at ground zero with Cable and they're both coming back soon, I'd find it pretty unlikely Cable didn't survive. He's both tougher, and has teleportation technology (among other tech) that they don't.
Think it's safe to say we won't be seeing him for a while, though.
Beast
06-29-2007, 07:34 PM
Well, Sunfire and Gambit started running before the place exploded.
Where as Cable stood at ground zero. With no power to bodyslide and no TK to save himself.
Not to mention we've outright been told one of the X-Men team died in X-Men #200.
rilokyle
06-29-2007, 08:21 PM
Well, Sunfire and Gambit started running before the place exploded.
Where as Cable stood at ground zero. With no power to bodyslide and no TK to save himself.
Not to mention we've outright been told one of the X-Men team died in X-Men #200.
:(
I miss Cable and its only been 2 days.
The Lucky One
06-29-2007, 08:33 PM
Not to mention we've outright been told one of the X-Men team died in X-Men #200.
It would be so like Carey to build this all up in everyone's minds and then reveal next issue that Cable survived and it's Rogue who died.
Mind you, I don't think that's actually the case. But I wouldn't be surprised either.
-D
Omega Alpha
06-29-2007, 09:39 PM
It would be so like Carey to build this all up in everyone's minds and then reveal next issue that Cable survived and it's Rogue who died.
Mind you, I don't think that's actually the case. But I wouldn't be surprised either.
Considering what we saw in Cable & Deadpool, the solicits for the next issues, and how much Mike says about his plans for Rogue and nothing about Cable, then it's not the case.
Brian M.
06-29-2007, 09:46 PM
I wish Fabian would post...he comes from time to time...wish he would post a little bit in here, tell us if he really is dead or atleast how many issues he still green lit for...anything.
The Lucky One
06-29-2007, 10:32 PM
Considering what we saw in Cable & Deadpool, the solicits for the next issues, and how much Mike says about his plans for Rogue and nothing about Cable, then it's not the case.
Yeah, that's... kinda my point. That those things can be faked. Like they did with Thunderbolts, or Milligan's X-Force, or The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #14, and so on.
Whatever, I doubt it's the case. And I hope it's not the case. But it's always within the realm of possibility.
-D
Beast
06-29-2007, 10:36 PM
Yeah, that's... kinda my point. That those things can be faked. Like they did with Thunderbolts, or Milligan's X-Force, or The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #14, and so on.
Whatever, I doubt it's the case. And I hope it's not the case. But it's always within the realm of possibility.
-D
In the case of Flash, I think it's more a .... "People hate the book, I don't care if issues have been solicited. We'll pretend it was a big cover-up and those issues were never planned." deal. ;)
Brian M.
06-29-2007, 10:39 PM
Thing is though with Flash and all that, it came out the day the issue came out that it was all faked. Where's the interview w/ Fabian? Where's the announcement from Marvel? This book is a low seller, it doesn't warrant that attention from them.
Beast
06-29-2007, 10:45 PM
Thing is though with Flash and all that, it came out the day the issue came out that it was all faked. Where's the interview w/ Fabian? Where's the announcement from Marvel? This book is a low seller, it doesn't warrant that attention from them.
Plus it's not like they pretended he's still alive.
He's not been mentioned in the solicits at all since C&D #42.
Carey's comments are pretty straightforward in suggesting he's dead.
Plus it's not like they pretended he's still alive.
He's not been mentioned in the solicits at all since C&D #42.
Carey's comments are pretty straightforward in suggesting he's dead.
As much as I don't want to believe it, I agree. Carey's wording doesn't leave much room for Cable not being dead, and the heroics of Cable's sacrifice are totally lost if he wasn't killed. I still hope we'll see him again in the future, but in the meantime it looks like Deadpool is going solo or Bob, Agent of Hydra & Deadpool. The little catch phrase at the end of the comic said "Next...A New Beginning", so I assume they're talking about a new beginning for Deadpool's series.
Cthulhudrew
06-30-2007, 01:34 AM
Well, Sunfire and Gambit started running before the place exploded.
Was that in X-Men? I don't remember seeing them running in C/DP. Have to go back and reread, I guess.
Constantinople
06-30-2007, 08:12 AM
As much as I don't want to believe it, I agree. Carey's wording doesn't leave much room for Cable not being dead, and the heroics of Cable's sacrifice are totally lost if he wasn't killed. I still hope we'll see him again in the future, but in the meantime it looks like Deadpool is going solo or Bob, Agent of Hydra & Deadpool. The little catch phrase at the end of the comic said "Next...A New Beginning", so I assume they're talking about a new beginning for Deadpool's series.
The next two-part story is still under the name "Cable and Deadpool", and features Wolverine and HYDRA. Somehow Bob is important, too.
Then there's a story about Deadpool's reaction to Captain America's death, starring Bucky/Winter Soldier.
A talks for a Deadpool Ongoing Series is being talked about, so I hear.
cable guy
06-30-2007, 10:34 AM
Great issue. Obviously could have stood alone, but...
What a stroke of genius. Having two issues almost identical, but through different points of view. Of course being my favorite character enhances that. I love the Spidey doll as opposed to the rag doll in Xmen.
Both issues had a tense feel to it. Very intriguing, if you ask me.
Fatguy
06-30-2007, 10:56 AM
:(
I really hope that Cable isnt dead. I've been a fan of his since I was much younger and thought there was nothing cooler than a gritty soldier with an unreasonably huge gun ;)
He's developed into an excellent character over the years though, so now I no longer have to feel guilty for being a fan. It would be a damn shame if I lost Cable AND they sent Havok into an idiotic story abyss all in the same year.
Was that in X-Men? I don't remember seeing them running in C/DP. Have to go back and reread, I guess.
You see them start running in both. I'm not sure how Gambit can on foot escape the island before the explosion, but I'm sure the implication is there.
As far as the title staying Cable & Deadpool, I expect it'll stay that way until issue 50 or so.
What I found interesting was Cable's comment about Sunfire calling him "Summers": "He spits out my father's last name as if it were a curse. Maybe it is."
I wonder if that's just in reference to Cable's twisted past, or is it foreshadowing of some larger plot going on with the Summers bloodline. They have conveniently removed all the Summers on earth other than Cyclops, so I really wonder if something's going to be going on with him.
cable guy
06-30-2007, 11:20 AM
:(
I really hope that Cable isnt dead. I've been a fan of his since I was much younger and thought there was nothing cooler than a gritty soldier with an unreasonably huge gun ;)
He's developed into an excellent character over the years though, so now I no longer have to feel guilty for being a fan. It would be a damn shame if I lost Cable AND they sent Havok into an idiotic story abyss all in the same year.
I hope he's not dead either.
But if he is, he died a noble death. It was meaningful, and I can't picture it being any other way for Nathan Dayspring.
Red Lotus
06-30-2007, 11:20 AM
Was that in X-Men? I don't remember seeing them running in C/DP. Have to go back and reread, I guess.
Yeah it was in both. Cable was so hurt from his fight there was no way he could have got out.
ClanAskani
06-30-2007, 11:31 AM
Plus it's not like they pretended he's still alive.
He's not been mentioned in the solicits at all since C&D #42.
Carey's comments are pretty straightforward in suggesting he's dead.
Would Carey want to spoil the fact that Nathan is not dead? Clearly he wants us to believe Nathan is dead. Deadpool, the X-Men and the Mauraders will believe Nathan is dead and are going to react accordingly.
But if it's a big reveal in the crossover that Nathan isn't dead, do you think Carey would tell us that?
It's clear more happened then we saw and more things will be revealed. One minute before dawn means something to Nathan. Let's hope that it wasn't inspiring him to commit suicide. Instead, maybe he set in motion something to warn others or prevent what he knows might happen.
cable guy
06-30-2007, 11:37 AM
Would Carey want to spoil the fact that Nathan is not dead? Clearly he wants us to believe Nathan is dead. Deadpool, the X-Men and the Mauraders will believe Nathan is dead and are going to react accordingly.
But if it's a big reveal in the crossover that Nathan isn't dead, do you think Carey would tell us that?
It's clear more happened then we saw and more things will be revealed. One minute before dawn means something to Nathan. Let's hope that it wasn't inspiring him to commit suicide. Instead, maybe he set in motion something to warn others or prevent what he knows might happen.
All signs point to Cable being the one to bite the bullet.
But Carey, and Fabian for that matter, would not surprise me if it is indeed Cable who survives.
ClanAskani
06-30-2007, 11:41 AM
All signs point to Cable being the one to bite the bullet.
But Carey, and Fabian for that matter, would not surprise me if it is indeed Cable who survives.
To me, it looks like alot of work has gone into setting something up. Axel Alonso said Cable was a priority when he took over. This seems like part of a much larger story for Nathan.
What is disappointing, though, is how much rehab Mike Carey accomplished with Nathan during his stint on Adjectiveless. It's sad to see that coming to an end since he was doing a fantastic job writing Nathan.
cable guy
06-30-2007, 11:44 AM
To me, it looks like alot of work has gone into setting something up. Axel Alonso said Cable was a priority when he took over. This seems like part of a much larger story for Nathan.
What is disappointing, though, is how much rehab Mike Carey accomplished with Nathan during his stint on Adjectiveless. It's sad to see that coming to an end since he was doing a fantastic job writing Nathan.
I didn't read Carey's quote, but some poster's did say he would have a big part in the X-Men summer event.
Could it be his death though?
ClanAskani
06-30-2007, 11:53 AM
I suppose that could mean that Nathan’s death is a pivotal part of the crossover.
Back when Rachel was sent to the Askani future, the editors used to tell complaining Rachel fans that she was more important to the story than ever since she was responsible for Cable and Stryfe.
I suppose that could mean that Nathan’s death is a pivotal part of the crossover.
Back when Rachel was sent to the Askani future, the editors used to tell complaining Rachel fans that she was more important to the story than ever since she was responsible for Cable and Stryfe.
Wasn't worth it.
Cthulhudrew
06-30-2007, 05:36 PM
You see them start running in both. I'm not sure how Gambit can on foot escape the island before the explosion, but I'm sure the implication is there.
Apparently I missed an entire page when I read the issue! :eek:
Sentinel K
07-03-2007, 05:04 AM
With Fabian bolstering up Deadpool's supporting cast in the past few issues (Bob, Agent X, Outlaw) in hindsight id does look like he was preparing o take Deadpool solo again.
It's a real shame, as Nate and Wade had only just got back together again after Civil War split them up. I really would have loved the buddy element to have played out for longer.
Anyway, even with Cable seemingly gone, I'm still a loyal reader and I can't wait to sse what happens next.
RIP Nate. At least it wasn't the Skornn.
rwsmith
07-03-2007, 06:26 AM
Y'know, I just can't shake the feeling that, despite appearances to the contrary and things that Mike Carey might've said, Cable is not dead at all and will return during the big crossover this fall. Not sure how'd I feel about that at this point, as I liked the way he went out and pretending to kill a character and then immediately bringing them back just to boost their status is about the most cliched play in the X-men playbook.
Having said all that, if they can manage to bring him back without all of the baggage that normally comes with the character then I'm all for it. I'm not saying that they should change his origin or anything like that (at this point that would just make him even more confusing), but ditch the whole "mission" aspect of the character. By now his future has almost certainly been averted, so IMO he ought to just fight alongside the X-men to "protect a world that hates and fears mutants." That really ought to be enough of an objective for the character as far as I'm concerned, and it's a big part of the reason I liked him so much as a member of Carey's cast.
But if they bring him back in order to attempt to be some crackpot messiah again, then expect a big eyeroll from me.
Sentinel K
07-03-2007, 06:43 AM
Y'know, I just can't shake the feeling that, despite appearances to the contrary and things that Mike Carey might've said, Cable is not dead at all and will return during the big crossover this fall. Not sure how'd I feel about that at this point, as I liked the way he went out and pretending to kill a character and then immediately bringing them back just to boost their status is about the most cliched play in the X-men playbook.
Having said all that, if they can manage to bring him back without all of the baggage that normally comes with the character then I'm all for it. I'm not saying that they should change his origin or anything like that (at this point that would just make him even more confusing), but ditch the whole "mission" aspect of the character. By now his future has almost certainly been averted, so IMO he ought to just fight alongside the X-men to "protect a world that hates and fears mutants." That really ought to be enough of an objective for the character as far as I'm concerned, and it's a big part of the reason I liked him so much as a member of Carey's cast.
But if they bring him back in order to attempt to be some crackpot messiah again, then expect a big eyeroll from me.
Well obviously there was no body so the door has definitely been left open for his return.
I have to (as usual) disagree with you about what to do with the characetr if he WAS to return.
I think Cable works really well as a solo character (C&D was for the most part 'Cable featuring Deapool) and the fact that he comes from the future means the whole Messiah aspect of the character makes total sense.
I for one do not want to see ANOTHER Summers on an X-team.
He was pretty boring under Carey's pen.
rwsmith
07-03-2007, 07:32 AM
Yeah, I think it's safe to say that our views on what makes Cable an interesting character are pretty much opposite. It's cool, though. Different strokes for different folks.
Having said that, if Axel's goal is to make Cable popular again, then I think losing a lot of that "messiah/mission to save the future" junk is the way to go. At his height of popularity, Cable was nothing more than a gun-toting hardcase with some bionic parts who had chosen to take the New Mutants and mold them into X-Force. Now, I'm not saying he could ever go back to being that simple of a character. His origin is what it is, after all. But I do think that a lot of people found the character more interesting than he's been in years under Mike Carey's pen (including me), and there's a reason for that. He basically just made him a badass soldier again, who happened to be a mutant from the future (but that last part wasn't the core of who the character was, rather it was the first part).
So, like I said, if they want to make Cable cool again, I think that's the way to go. Stick him on an X-men team and pretty much ignore the fact that he's from an alternate future. Just have him do what he does best, and that's kick ass. In some respects he does that better than even Wolverine, as Logan isn't half the strategist that Nathan is (or at least that's what we've been told; to date I haven't been really impressed with his strategic capabilities since his plans always seem to fail in the long run).
Regardless, that's how I see it anyway, and if he absolutely has to come back, that's what I'd like to see done with him.
Cthulhudrew
07-03-2007, 08:03 PM
Y'know, I just can't shake the feeling that, despite appearances to the contrary and things that Mike Carey might've said, Cable is not dead at all and will return during the big crossover this fall.
Two things that just occurred to me reading an interview with Carey- the story arc in X-Men is called "Messiah Complex", and Carey points out that the a couple of the current (living) suggestions for that title may not be who it is referring to, and Cable's own words in issue #41 to the effect of "It would be the last time I see them again, until I see them again."
Cable's definitely had a bit of a Messiah Complex going on for a while now- I think he'll be back by the end of the arc. And hopefully back in C/DP.
rwsmith
07-04-2007, 08:20 AM
I still think Cable is waaay to obvious to be the messiah in question.
I'm assuming they took away his telekinesis so that Cable wouldn't have any defenses against Gambit and Sunfire. :(
Actually he still had it, but no telepathy. He talks to gambit for a bit, who tells cable he wants to show him a card trick. Gambit throws a few cards and Cable stops them with his tk. But then gambit said it was a trick and sunfire nails him from behind. Cable throws sunfire off, but the original cards gambit threw go off. Then Cable runs to the professor while G+S follow.
cable guy
07-05-2007, 07:19 AM
I still think Cable is waaay to obvious to be the messiah in question.
Probably.
But I couldn't help but think Cable would be the 'Messiah' in question, when I first heard of this arc.
ClanAskani
07-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Yeah, I think it's safe to say that our views on what makes Cable an interesting character are pretty much opposite. It's cool, though. Different strokes for different folks.
Having said that, if Axel's goal is to make Cable popular again, then I think losing a lot of that "messiah/mission to save the future" junk is the way to go. At his height of popularity, Cable was nothing more than a gun-toting hardcase with some bionic parts who had chosen to take the New Mutants and mold them into X-Force. Now, I'm not saying he could ever go back to being that simple of a character. His origin is what it is, after all. But I do think that a lot of people found the character more interesting than he's been in years under Mike Carey's pen (including me), and there's a reason for that. He basically just made him a badass soldier again, who happened to be a mutant from the future (but that last part wasn't the core of who the character was, rather it was the first part).
So, like I said, if they want to make Cable cool again, I think that's the way to go. Stick him on an X-men team and pretty much ignore the fact that he's from an alternate future. Just have him do what he does best, and that's kick ass. In some respects he does that better than even Wolverine, as Logan isn't half the strategist that Nathan is (or at least that's what we've been told; to date I haven't been really impressed with his strategic capabilities since his plans always seem to fail in the long run).
Regardless, that's how I see it anyway, and if he absolutely has to come back, that's what I'd like to see done with him.
Messiah Cable and Gun-Totting Cable can co-exist.
The problem with Cable recently is that he's settled down into his role running Providence, being a leader by running countries not carrying a large gun.
Rogue's team finally brought him out of his retirement from gun-totting. That's been rather disasterous, but it also could prove to him that the only way he can get his mission accomplished is to start blowing things up.
Cable's always had a higher purpose then just being a bad a** blowing things up. He needs a new mission. His knowledge of the future is what could lead him to do something in opposition to what the rest of the X-Men would want to do. He's always done what it takes to accomplish the mission, and that's what may have gotten him killed.
If Cable does survive then maybe he questions what his father and Xavier are doing to save the remaining mutants and perserve mutant race. Maybe he goes and does things his way. Maybe that means forming a new X-Force, or even taking over the school.
rwsmith
07-05-2007, 02:51 PM
But his knowledge of the future ought to be all but worthless at this point, as we're no longer headed towards his future. That's why I say ditch the "mission" aspect of the character and just have him join the X-men to fight for a better tomorrow. The main difference being that Nate thinks he knows how to do this better than everyone else, so he's a bit bossy about it. Thus he rubs certain people the wrong way (e.g., Wolverine, Xavier and perhaps even his own father at times).
One of my favorite Cable scenes was way back before he was revealed to be a Summers brat from the future when he was chastising Storm, Cyclops and Jean about how their leadership of the X-men had pretty much been lousy. I also remember a cool scene between him and Beast during the X-Tinction Agenda where he realizes that, because he's with the X-men and he's been captured, his entire history has been wiped from any database on Earth. He says something to the effect of "It's a wonder you've all survived this long."
I miss that Cable. He was just cool to me. Like a mix of Nick Fury and Wolverine, as played by Clint Eastwood or something.
cable guy
07-05-2007, 05:49 PM
I miss that Cable. He was just cool to me. Like a mix of Nick Fury and Wolverine, as played by Clint Eastwood or something.
He's as close to that right now, as he's been in a long time.
Kudo's to Nicieza and Carey.
Jon Malin
07-07-2007, 06:32 AM
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I had a blast drawing my half and would love to draw some more for sure.
I hope Cable lived but I think he's dead. I have no knowledge either way. I'm betting on him being the main figure in Messiah Complex though. It just seems like the right fit.
-Jon
Deadpooligan
07-07-2007, 06:38 AM
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I had a blast drawing my half and would love to draw some more for sure.
I hope Cable lived but I think he's dead. I have no knowledge either way. I'm betting on him being the main figure in Messiah Complex though. It just seems like the right fit.
-Jon
I thought the Spidey doll was a very cool touch, Jon.
I'm guessing Fabian left the script particularly ambiguous surrounding those last few Cable panels, eh?
cable guy
07-07-2007, 08:26 AM
I thought the Spidey doll was a very cool touch, Jon.
I loved that Spidey doll.
moebius
07-07-2007, 09:49 AM
Wasn't he inside a sealed off building when he blew the island. So that would be a big stretch. Not to mention we were told that someone would die in X-Men #200. Seems pretty final to me.
Could have been Rogue.
I doubt Cable is "dead" dead.
1) No body.
2) He's a temporal anomaly, so it's always possible another version of him will pop up down the timestream.
3) How is he going to get this "One Minute Til Dawn" information back to the X-Men? Or maybe he's not.
Carencey
07-07-2007, 04:34 PM
So, is there any word if Cable is or isn't dead? He was one of my favorite characters when I was younger and I've been trying to get back into comics. Maybe I've picked a bad time to get back into Cable.
Beast
07-07-2007, 05:06 PM
So, is there any word if Cable is or isn't dead? He was one of my favorite characters when I was younger and I've been trying to get back into comics. Maybe I've picked a bad time to get back into Cable.
From the interviews about X-Men #200 by Carey, yes.. he's dead.
Sentinel K
07-07-2007, 05:08 PM
From the interviews about X-Men #200 by Carey, yes.. he's dead.
I bet you $100 he didn't and that he's back within 18 months.
His death in X-Men #200 was very anti-climactic.. but it wasn't in C&DP I'm assuming he's not dead. And if he is, I doubt someone like Cable will be dead for long.
cable guy
07-08-2007, 08:28 AM
He definitely would be back in 18 month's.
Jon Malin
07-08-2007, 10:03 AM
I thought the Spidey doll was a very cool touch, Jon.
I'm guessing Fabian left the script particularly ambiguous surrounding those last few Cable panels, eh?
Thanks, Deadpooligan and Cable Guy. I drew the Spidey doll because I don't know if I'll ever get a second chance to draw a Marvel book in my life. So I wanted to be able to at least draw Spidey in some form, the script just called for a "child's toy". I also hid my wife's name in the pages, it reads "Rene's", and 2 teddy bears are hidden as well if anyone gets bored and wants to find them.
Yeah as for what happens right before and after the explosion regarding Cable I have no idea. But either way, I figure he'll be back in time for Messiah Complex, again. This is just my guess as I have no information regarding it.
-Jon
Deadpooligan
07-08-2007, 11:46 AM
His death in X-Men #200 was very anti-climactic.. but it wasn't in C&DP I'm assuming he's not dead. And if he is, I doubt someone like Cable will be dead for long.
It was in C&DP. The entire Providence/Cable scene was redone (with exposition and shinier pencils) in C&DP #42.
killerbass
07-08-2007, 12:04 PM
It was in C&DP. The entire Providence/Cable scene was redone (with exposition and shinier pencils) in C&DP #42.
I liked reading X-Men 200 and CDP #42 back to back. They complimented each other really well.
Shinier pencils! LOL! Go Reilly!
--Tom
P.S. How shocking would it be to see next month's issue cover be if it said -- Deadpool #43?! (Or perhaps even funnier -- Deadpool, without Cable #43...)
Deadpooligan
07-08-2007, 12:19 PM
P.S. How shocking would it be to see next month's issue cover be if it said -- Deadpool #43?! (Or perhaps even funnier -- Deadpool, without Cable #43...)
I'd prefer it as Cable & Deadpool.
We should have code to do that on these boards.
It was in C&DP. The entire Providence/Cable scene was redone (with exposition and shinier pencils) in C&DP #42.
I realize that you mis-understood my wording. I said his death WAS anti-climactic in #200, but WAS NOT anti-climactic in C&DP.
Jon Malin
07-08-2007, 07:52 PM
I liked reading X-Men 200 and CDP #42 back to back. They complimented each other really well.
Shinier pencils! LOL! Go Reilly!
--Tom
When Deadpooligan said "Shinier pencils" he was referring to the X-Men #200 scenes that were also done in C&DP #42.
It was in C&DP. The entire Providence/Cable scene was redone (with exposition and shinier pencils) in C&DP #42.
I actually did the Cable scenes that Deadpooligan pointed out. They synced with X-Men #200. Not Reilly. Reilly drew Cable in 2 pages and with Deadpool but it did not sync from X-Men #200 in any way.
Just pointing it out because you're the 4th person I've read on message boards that has credited my pages to Reilly and I understand it's a little difficult to figure out who drew which pages if you're new to the book since page numbers aren't credited to my or his name and the only way to know who drew what is by being familiar with his or my own style.
CMX- Glad we could make Cable's end more Climatic for you.
-Jon
TenIllusions
07-08-2007, 10:42 PM
I just quickly wanna thank Fabian...he has single handedly resurrected my love for comic books over the past 42 issues of C&D...I hadn't read comics in over 10 years until my friend gave me the first 20 issues of C&D...after reading one I simply could not put them down and found myself reading all 20 by the end of the night(this was the night before 21 came out and damnit was I overjoyed to see Iron Fist and Luke Cage)...since then it's been fantastic to feel like a kid again and read the series...he is a tremendous writer that puts a lot of heart and soul into his work and is the only comic book that can make me laugh out loud on a consistent basis...that being said congratulations to Jon Malin for breaking into Marvel...you drew an absolutely amazing Cable
Crimson
07-09-2007, 03:14 AM
It's hard to believe that a character who is all about time travel, in an issue all about teleportation will stay dead... but still, it was a nice send off to a character I've never been fond of.
I can't get away with Cable when he's not around Deadpool.
I do like that Cable and Deadpool is continue, just without Cable. I'm guessing that is meant to be a spoof on Captain America without Cap.
We basically have a Deadpool solo again.
cable guy
07-09-2007, 07:14 AM
It's hard to believe that a character who is all about time travel, in an issue all about teleportation will stay dead... but still, it was a nice send off to a character I've never been fond of.
I can't get away with Cable when he's not around Deadpool.
I do like that Cable and Deadpool is continue, just without Cable. I'm guessing that is meant to be a spoof on Captain America without Cap.
We basically have a Deadpool solo again.
"I'll Be Back".
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