X-Men #200 Review and Spoilers

[Affinity]

I LOVED IT!!!

SOOOOO worth the wait! I hope you spoiled guys were like "O RITE" when I was going "O SNAP". So HAH! *suprhugs hi-fi and faded*

COMMENTARY:

I wish Ramos did Cable art and Bachalo did the house art. My god,/I] how priceless would Regan's finest line in the book be with Bachalo's dull grin on her face? UGUHGGUHHGU DREAMING ABOUT IT

Bought the Finch cover and lovoooovovoed it. It's so awesome!

Bachalo draws a horrifying Marauder fella. I WONDER WHO THIS BILL CHARACTER IS? New Orleans looks like mad fun.

CALDECOTT COUNTRY REPRESEEENNNTTT.

I like Bachalo Iceman better than Ramos! I know everyone else disagrees but the insane ice feel of Bachalo's gets me every time.

ROGUE = INSANE. Poor, poor thing.

CLOTHES on EMMA! Ramos likes her OBVS, I'm glad to see her wearing Gucci, Prada, Burberry and not just some exaggerated uniform. I prefer this a lot more! Who was Scott calling that Emma already been called, btw??

Whoever said that the mature adult scene was strong in context but with Ramos' art, they both looked like awkward teens? SO. RIGHT OMG LOL I lol'd when I read that comment. It's so true! They look dumb, their faces? Like "o like this??". Mystique looks like she de-aged her face a little which is great.

I missed SO MUCH STUFF without reading Cable Deadpool 42 so I'm kind of mad that it wasn't CLEAR that I should read that OTHER issue to understand the story. What with the story about Requiem and all that? Jesus, way to go!

MALIIIICEEEEE. Has Malice gone digital entirely? That's retarded NO GTFO I'm not picking up my phone anymore. Or was it digital Malice controlling robot Karima? Explain plz.

BACHALO VERTIGO SHE'S SO HOT!!! Who are these people that the Marauders are killing btw? I would like to know.

Okay. Gambit. SO. HOT. The art ALONE has convinced me how cool he is! It's your day canemacar! omgomgogm he's so awesome. AND EVIL JEEZ but so awesome looking. bachalo is the bestest.

One minute before dawn = ????? Explain please.

Sunfire in his AoA costume makes no sense and he looks dumb! So I don't like it. Poor Cable, he's really getting beat up bad.

EMMA SO HOT. Pink lipstick suits her.

"OH. SORRY. THAT'D BE [I]ME." I ABSOLUTELY ADOOOOORE REGAN! She's so awesome!

Poor Rogue. Stupid Mystique >:O

LOVED IT SO MUCH and the back story was boring sorry dad.

[SL's Wonder Woman]

Sorry if I'm missing something that's obvious to everyone else here but I don't know, sadly :( Anyone know who the white haired guy is that kills Quiet Bill in the prologue?

[frog]

The mail finally arrived - I got the Bachalo cover. Yay!

There's Mojo in my X-Men - ewwwww!

[Beast]

Sorry if I'm missing something that's obvious to everyone else here but I don't know, sadly :( Anyone know who the white haired guy is that kills Quiet Bill in the prologue?
It's Riptide. Hence the little waves like symbols visable on his costume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riptide_%28comics%29

[Brian M.]

For those who don't know what Requiem meant, it was the name of a girl who sacrificed herself in Cable's future. She blew up these teleportation records of every bodyslide Cable and his resistence had done so Apocalpyse wouldn't get the location of secret bases.

[SL's Wonder Woman]

It's Riptide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riptide_%28comics%29

That's why he looked so familiar. The new costume threw me off. Thanks Beast, I appreciate it!

[jarrod]

Heh, Mojo!? Who knew the bloat even had email?

Seriously Hank, we're scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we?

[Beast]

That's why he looked so familiar. The new costume threw me off. Thanks Beast, I appreciate it!
I like the new costume. More hardcore badass than Purple Goofball. :D

[Diablito]

Sunfire in his AoA costume makes no sense and he looks dumb! So I don't like it. Poor Cable, he's really getting beat up bad.

I think Sunfire looks super awesome in his AoA costume! I am so happy Sunfire has gotten so much attention! Bachalo, Ramos, Skottie Young, and Malin have all drawn him!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Cable is dead.

[Beast]

Heh, Mojo!? Who knew the bloat even had email?

Seriously Hank, we're scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we?
Considering Mojo has outright created beings with copies of the X-Men's abilities, such as the X-Babies, he's as much a potential route of hope as any of the other folks he's contacting.

[Brian M.]

I think Sunfire looks super awesome in his AoA costume! I am so happy Sunfire has gotten so much attention! Bachalo, Ramos, Skottie Young, and Brown have all drawn him!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Cable is dead.

Malin's sunfire looked good too, could actually tell that was a mask Shiro was wearing.

[The Lucky One]

Considering what Mike Carey said about her, she's always been evil. Just playing with the X-Men until she got her revenege on Pandemic, and then had no further loyalties to them.

I liken it to what Icicle, the second generation DC villain, did with the Justice Society. When the Ultra-Humanite took over the world and only like 5 heroes were left, he helped the makeshift JSA save the world out of necessity. But after it was over, when Sand asked him to reform and join the JSA, Icicle's response was classic (and I'm paraphrasing here):

"You don't get it, do you? I'm not a criminal because I'm trying to follow in my father's footsteps. Unlike you Justice Society idiots, I have no interest in living up to some legacy. I do it because I'm not a very nice person. So take your offer and shove it."

Same deal with Regan, except that she played along for a little while.

-D

[Beast]

Ok, those who have read the issue. Any word on the three other folks that Beast contacts?

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???

[Brian M.]

Ok, those who have read the issue. Any word on the three other folks that Beast contacts?

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???

One of the monitor's on the top looked like Dark Beast. Him and Mojo kind had the same face.

[Diablito]

Pandemic was there too, at the top-left screen, as was Kavita Rao who was beside MODOK.

[frog]

One minute before dawn = ????? Explain please.



It's sure to be explained eventually because it seemed to trigger some sort of recognition in Cable and he had the Professor run a search on the phrase. I wonder if Wade will find the information.

It reminds me a little of the Doomsday Clock (http://www.thebulletin.org/minutes-to-midnight/), which is supposed to indicate how close we are to "catastrophic destruction--the figurative midnight" (sleep well, kids). However, usually dawn connotates a positive new beginning so I'm not sure what to think.

[Beast]

Thanks Brian and Diablito. So it's...

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. Dark Beast
8. Pandemic
9. Kavita Rao

If someone wants to scan the page, I'd kiss you.

My LCS switched banks. No longer take Discover. So my brother can't get my comics til tommorow. :(

[Brian M.]

How could one of them be Pandemic though? I thought he was done...?

[Affinity]

I think Sunfire looks super awesome in his AoA costume! I am so happy Sunfire has gotten so much attention! Bachalo, Ramos, Skottie Young, and Malin have all drawn him!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Cable is dead.

Yeah, I figured Cable was dead. He was getting "beat up pretty bad" when I was up to wherever I was in my running commentary, lol.

And EHHHH I don't like the AoA costume. FLAMEWORTHY WHERE R U??

Ok, those who have read the issue. Any word on the three other folks that Beast contacts?

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???

Is that MOJO or is it SUGAR MAN??

It's sure to be explained eventually because it seemed to trigger some sort of recognition in Cable and he had the Professor run a search on the phrase. I wonder if Wade will find the information.

It reminds me a little of the Doomsday Clock (http://www.thebulletin.org/minutes-to-midnight/), which is supposed to indicate how close we are to "catastrophic destruction--the figurative midnight" (sleep well, kids). However, usually dawn connotates a positive new beginning so I'm not sure what to think.

Ah, that makes sense. THANKS FROG!

[The Lucky One]

If they just planned to kill Cable off, my big question would be why all this build up? Why re-add him to the team, change his powers around, destroy Providence, only to kill him? To me that seems unnecessary, especially the power change. I really hope they answer these questions, even if it takes until #207 to do it.

At a guess, I'd say because killing a character nobody cares about is pointless. Killing a fringe character who hasn't been popular in a while does nothing... Marvel could kill the Shroud tomorrow, no one would care. To get an emotional reaction from people, to get fans talking like we are here, it has to be someone who's high profile. True, Cable shared a book with Deadpool before Carey added him to the roster, but it's a fringe title with a devoted but relatively small fanbase. In comics, there's no surer way to push a character into the spotlight than adding them to the roster of the X-men, and there's not many surer ways of getting people talking than killing an X-Man.

-D

[frog]

One of the monitor's on the top looked like Dark Beast. Him and Mojo kind had the same face.

Actually, I think the lower leftmost screen is Dark Beast, looking insufferably pleased with himself.

Please, no mo' Mojo. If anything in the X-Universe evokes my gag reflex it's him.

I was a little surprised to see Dr. Rao even though I know Beast contacts her, I guess because I don't really think of her as a true villian like the others. I'm betting Beast is playing on her guilt about what Ord did to get her help.

[Beast]

How could one of them be Pandemic though? I thought he was done...?
Nope. Mike Carey said he'd be turning up again. And that the first place would be in the Endangered Species back-ups. So apperantly he gets out of the mind-fudge that Lady Mastermind puts him in.

[The Lucky One]

Is that MOJO or is it SUGAR MAN??

Sugar Man's dead (and lame), so probably Mojo.

-D

[Affinity]

How could one of them be Pandemic though? I thought he was done...?

I figured it was Pandemic on the first screen as well. It looks like him when Ramos drew him, with the fur around the neck.

[Beast]

Is that MOJO or is it SUGAR MAN??
Sugar Man is dead. Thank god. :D

[SL's Wonder Woman]

I like the new costume. More hardcore badass than Purple Goofball. :D

Yeah, now that I know it's him, I LOVE the new costume. The jacket and the gloves were soooo bad ass. To bad he wasn't wearing them in the fight at the end of the book :(

[Beast]

Sugar Man's dead (and lame), so probably Mojo.

-D
Word Sistah. One of the best parts of Excalibur Vol. 3 was Callisto killing him.

[Affinity]

Sugar Man's dead (and lame), so probably Mojo.

-D

Okay. It just looks like that same ugly Sugar Man grin that I've always known/seen rather than Mojo, who seems a bit of a stretch even despite X-Babies stuff. Didn't Sugar Man do genetic testing/experimenting in AoA, too?

[The Lucky One]

Heh, Mojo!? Who knew the bloat even had email?

Seriously Hank, we're scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we?

*shrugs* He's a more powerful sorceror than Doctor Strange, so I'd imagine he might have the power to reverse Wanda's actions. If Beast were willing to pay the inevitable price.

-D

[frog]

No one's mentioned the little gallery in back, which I thought was a nice little extra. I really liked the Mark Brooks pictures, though I wish they'd managed to include Deadpool in the composite one, it caught his attitude perfectly!

[Beast]

*shrugs* He's a more powerful sorceror than Doctor Strange, so I'd imagine he might have the power to reverse Wanda's actions. If Beast were willing to pay the inevitable price.

-D
Oh No! Hank's going to get X-Baby-ized!! :eek: :D

It kinda sucks that Arnim Zola and Dr. Doom turns him down immediatly, at least according to the picture of Hank's laptop in the next back-up. Would have loved to see Hank interact with them. But both are currently being used in other major stories. Arnim Zola in Captain America and Dr. Doom upcoming in Mighty Avengers.

[streator]

can anyone answer my gambit questions from earlier? is he himself or is he still mind controlled? what does he have to say in the issue?

bummer about cable biting up, too.

[Brian M.]

No one's mentioned the little gallery in back, which I thought was a nice little extra. I really liked the Mark Brooks pictures, though I wish they'd managed to include Deadpool in the composite one, it caught his attitude perfectly!

I wonder why they didn't mention Uncanny on the Brooks page. I love Finch's cover. I makes me happy to hold a cover w/ Scott/Jean front and center on it. So good.

[Brian M.]

can anyone answer my gambit questions from earlier? is he himself or is he still mind controlled? what does he have to say in the issue?

bummer about cable biting up, too.

Gambit seems to be himself. Sinister fixed his appearance. He was his usual playful, joking self. Except evil.

[Arrjay]

I just read this sucker and I freakin' loved it.

Very excited to read more.

Bummed about buying comics I don't generally read to get Endangered Species though.

[streator]

Gambit seems to be himself. Sinister fixed his appearance. He was his usual playful, joking self. Except evil.

thanks brian.

[Diablito]

How come I don't see Dark Beast on any of the screens? I see Mojo beside Kavita Rao, and Sugar Man beside Mister Sinister, but no Dark beast.

[Affinity]

I wonder why they didn't mention Uncanny on the Brooks page. I love Finch's cover. I makes me happy to hold a cover w/ Scott/Jean front and center on it. So good.

Well it didn't say Astonishing, either, so I think it just meant X-MEN TEAMS and then those two.

I've seen almost all of this art before (Sabretooth, Iceman, Shiro was new) on DeviantArt and the cover was dissected by Novaya pretty early (LOLOL HOOKER) but this was a good thing thrown in at the end. LOOK AT ME I AM NOT EVEN BITCHING ABOUT CESSILY'S HAIR AGAIN! So proud of myself!

And I'm an Emma fan and don't like Scott/Emma so seeing Jean/Scott together makes me HAPPY. Wish Emma wasn't scowling, though.

[Beast]

How come I don't see Dark Beast on any of the screens? I see Mojo beside Kavita Rao, and Sugar Man beside Mister Sinister, but no Dark beast.
Maybe you're confusing Dark Beast w/ Sugar Man?

I don't know, having not seen the issue yet. Stupid LCS' bank. *Mutter*

[drwho]

Already a continuity snafoo? Does one of those faces look like the dead sugar man on one of those tvs? I also find it completely out of character that Mystique shot Rogue so I think she is gonna turn out to be a double agent here.

[PatchMadripoor]

Can anyone post a scan of that page so we can address who is on this teleconference?

[frog]

How come I don't see Dark Beast on any of the screens? I see Mojo beside Kavita Rao, and Sugar Man beside Mister Sinister, but no Dark beast.

I think Dark Beast is the one in the lower left end, who you probably think is Sugar Man. Sugar Man is supposed to be dead now.

[Affinity]

I WISH I COULD
If no one does soon I will tomorrow!

Also GOD DAMNIT they cut off Regan and Husk on the cover. I'm kind of pissed because HEY I was looking forward to Regan drawn by Finch.

[Faded]

SOOOOO AMAAAZING.

The payoff of not reading spoilers was well worth it!

THOUGHTS:
Who TF is Quiet Bill?! Important in anyway possible? He doesn't even have a Wikipedia entry. :(

Emma, Lady M--both AMAZING. The differences Carey talked about between them was made apparent in this issue, and they were just so...I can't describe! HOT!

DEATH OF CABLE! Very cinematic. I never before felt for the guy until now. Awesome way to go out if it is his 'final' bow.

Young Rogue. Heartbreaking and cute.

Wolverine's a jerk!

Marauders! Its almost like I wasn't expecting them lol! The page where they appear is beautiful. Even though I knew Mystique was betraying the X-Men, I still didn't think she'd stab Rogue in the back this issue and not in this way. She seemed genuinely concerned so I thought she'd turn to Sinister in a more noble way. Still hot!

Bachalo and Ramos alternating really worked for me, especially since each artist was assigned a particular location/sequence of events. In fact, I think it enhanced the experience.

Amazing. Every issue should be this long.

A+++++

[Diablito]

I think Dark Beast is the one in the lower left end, who you probably think is Sugar Man. Sugar Man is supposed to be dead now.

IIRC, Sugar Man had a regenerative healing factor. He also had a lot of expertise in genetics. Plus that face is not blue, and the eyes are too reminiscent of Sugar Man to be Dark Beast.

[The Lucky One]

I also find it completely out of character that Mystique shot Rogue so I think she is gonna turn out to be a double agent here.

She stabbed her in the gut during Dreams' End, so it's not unprecedented.

-D

[Brian M.]

Apprently Quiet Bill is some guy who can travel in time or something. Might seem meaningless but considering they were after Cable too and his connection to time travel...seems to me that the Marauders are after time characters for a reason...

[streator]

quiet bill, for those interested:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=845

[streator]

I WISH I COULD
If no one does soon I will tomorrow!

Also GOD DAMNIT they cut off Regan and Husk on the cover. I'm kind of pissed because HEY I was looking forward to Regan drawn by Finch.

maybe they'll be included in the full poster-sized version.

[jarrod]

Considering Mojo has outright created beings with copies of the X-Men's abilities, such as the X-Babies, he's as much a potential route of hope as any of the other folks he's contacting.
Well sure... I'm probably just more surprised that Hank even has a means to contact Mojo. Hell, if he can do that, why not just give Roma a call? Or place one collect to the WHR? :D

[f4faith]

Gambit seems to be himself. Sinister fixed his appearance. He was his usual playful, joking self. Except evil.

Which is not his usual self. Actually this issue really tells us little to nothing about Gambit at all, but that's sort of been expected. We have no idea how much he's still influenced by what happened in the terrible BoA or not. He's just intro'd as looking like the way he looked prior to Death but no real insight to why or why he'd hook up with Sinister because heaven knows it was not clear at the end of B0A.

As stated though, this was to be expected. "Villians" always look tough at the beginning of an arc and since Marvel's been touting him that way and we know only minimal answers are coming until 207, I'm sort of just expecting him to show up in fights (and at least for a change look like he can fight again thankfully) and make vague statements for some time to come - ala this issue.

Little is known about the any of the "villains" motivation at this point and I'm still expecting Carey to "redeem" Mystique in some way. He says in his comments she's not acting at the end like she has before. She's only not acting like he's written her prior to this. At the end, she's very much acting like she has in past stories. I personally like the Mystique from her old series much better than the one we've had so far in X-Men. I hear rumors of her getting a series again which hopefully will be as good as the last one.

She stabbed her in the gut during Dreams' End, so it's not unprecedented.

-D

Exactly and all the way back in Claremont's day she ran simulations where she made it clear it was no problem for her to kill Rogue if she got in the way. Mystique only had an issue with killing Kurt. Actually Carey's Mystique up until now has been out of character to me.

[Boogie]

Now, this may have already been posted in another thread at some point, and if so, i am sorry, but i tried to stay out of all the #200 spoiler threads as much as possible. :)

I was just looking at my copy of the Chris Bachalo cover and just noticed that Mystique is the only character turned around, facing the same way as the Mauraders (when you match it up with Ramos' cover). She is also the only character not in a fighting stance, she looks like she is waiting. Her gun is also at eye level with Rogue. It was all there to begin with. Hindesight is always 20/20. Haha ;)

As for the back-up story... Still not a fan of Eaton's art, but it was a great start to Beast's quest to save them all. Very exciting.

[cgar]

OMG this issue was so good...i was listening to music while reading this and made it so MUCH better for some reason...anyways

cable going out like that was cool.and if you read cable/deadpool 42 and see that cable saves DP by doing the body slide and then DP saying it wasnt worth it...but he wouldnt let cable down...SO GOOD..mystique shooting rogue point blank was WOW...a wtf moment. i think mystique did something to bobby when he boinked her. and when the mauraders show up and Lady M snaps her finger that was awesome...REALLY GOOOD ISSUE..and i am glad i didnt read any spoilers

[Beast]

IIRC, Sugar Man had a regenerative healing factor. He also had a lot of expertise in genetics. Plus that face is not blue, and the eyes are too reminiscent of Sugar Man to be Dark Beast.
DarK Beast wasn't blue the last time he was shown either. He was back to grey.

Either way, I'm sure that Mike Carey will clear it up. :)

[Affinity]

Lol oh JEEZ I sound like such a SPAZ in that opening post! Why the new thread, Cronin?

[ProfeZZor X]

quiet bill, for those interested:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=845

So actually, Quiet Bill could have helped the situation... Like they did in Legion Quest.

Though I'm still bewildered what happened to Bobby's powers. Did Mystique give him a mutant "VD".... And why in the hell are they making out when the other characters are all in the same house? ... Looks like someone isn't affraid to get caught.

[Toboe]

I think I love Gambit now...

And if that experience with Mystique doesn't get Iceman out of the closet, I don't know what will.

Poor Rogue! Carey sure loves her a lot. :D

[The Lucky One]

And why in the hell are they making out when the other characters are all in the same house? ... Looks like someone isn't affraid to get caught.

Adds to the thrill of it. Just ask Warren and Paige.

-D

[Affinity]

Oh Quiet Bill is an existing character? I'll go read that again.

[Diablito]

Is it just me, or does it seem that Quiet Bill was depowered?

[cgar]

holy crap are they gonna go after bishop now...arent the Acolytes suppose to attack the mansion for some reason....im so hyped for this crossover

[drwho]

list of tv screen people

top row left to right
Pan Modok That doctor from astonishing dark beast
bottom row
looks like sugar man, mr sinister, high evolutionary. Dont know the last guy and then doom.

A little bizarre because high evolutionary can make mutants whenever he wants. Mr Sinister and Dark beast, and sugar man also work with genetics. Didnt mr sinister go against the High ev in the stupid neo mutant story. i don't really see why they would need beasts help. He should know full well they could develop mutants if they wanted to. Doom kind of doesnt fit in this group.

[Beast]

So actually, Quiet Bill could have helped the situation... Like they did in Legion Quest.

Though I'm still bewildered what happened to Bobby's powers. Did Mystique give him a mutant "VD".... And why in the hell are they making out when the other characters are all in the same house? ... Looks like someone isn't affraid to get caught.
Carey said that what Mystique did to Bobby would be answered in X-Men #201.

[The Lucky One]

And if that experience with Mystique doesn't get Iceman out of the closet, I don't know what will.

Poor Bobby... he will never, ever escape the gay accusations and suspicious looks. Carey could write him having an orgy with seven supermodels and people would say he was overcompensating. :rolleyes:

-D

[Karthak]

Meh. Mystique going traitor was predicted 189537 years before the actual issue. It would have been (in my opinion) a lot better if she hadn't deserted.

[frog]

:confused: Okay, I'm usually able to understand rules and follow them. However, I can't remember what got deleted from this thread so I don't know why it was deleted and I'd like to know so I don't do whatever shouldn't have been done.

Can anyone enlighten me? Was this thread started too early as well?

[Beast]

Mike Carey confirmed it's Sugar Man, not Dark Beast.
Yeah, he does that, Beast. And he could therefore be a useful ally, so long as you watched your back.

It's not Dark Beast on the screen, it's Sugarman. As to him being dead, there's a story behind the story that will be addressed somewhere else. All your other identifications are 100% correct.

As to why Dark Beast *isn't* there, read on...
So it's officially...

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. Sugar Man
8. Pandemic
9. Kavita Rao

[Nyssane]

Just read it. Loved it.

I loved the Rogue/Mystique bits, especially the cute flashback.

Sunfire was acting a bit weird, eh? I wonder why Sinister changed Gambit back to his normal look but kept Sunfire the way he is.

Poor Cable. :( And Poor Rogue!

Lady Mastermind's deception was absolutely delicious. I loved the panel where she reveals it was her who kept the Marauders hidden.

Riptide's opening was brutal and awesome.

I was sad that there was no Frenzy, but really, they wouldn't have fit well into it since it was already jam packed. Besides, I'm gonna love the battle at the school.

Prism has such a hot bod. There, I said it.

Malice is so utterly badass once again. I forgot how much I really liked her, she's such a trashy little cow.

[Diablito]

Mike Carey confirmed it's Sugar Man, not Dark Beast.

So it's officially...

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. Sugar Man
8. Pandemic
9. Kavita Rao

Haha, I was right! I win!

[Diablito]

Sunfire was acting a bit weird, eh? I wonder why Sinister changed Gambit back to his normal look but kept Sunfire the way he is.

Sinister has taste. He knows that Sunfire looks better with his AoA costume.

[Nyssane]

[QUOTE=Nyssane;5022183]Sunfire was acting a bit weird, eh? I wonder why Sinister changed Gambit back to his normal look but kept Sunfire the way he is.QUOTE]

Sinister has taste. He knows that Sunfire looks better with his AoA costume.

Don't let Flameworthy hear you say that. ;)

[The Lucky One]

Sinister has taste. He knows that Sunfire looks better with his AoA costume.

Heh. And all kidding aside, yeah- that actually IS the reason. Not Sinister, obviously, but Marvel clearly feels he looks cooler that way. :)

-D

[Toboe]

Sinister has taste. He knows that Sunfire looks better with his AoA costume.

And that Gambit kicks some serious a55 with his original look, instead of the lame Death one.

[Beast]

And that Gambit kicks some serious a55 with his original look, instead of the lame Death one.
The look wasn't bad. But combined with his new Fart Powers. Yeah, classic Gambit please. :D

[drwho]

Wait uh which one is mojo again? Cus none of them look like mojo to me. dark beast is there look again. Mojo isnt.

[Diablito]

Wait uh which one is mojo again? Cus none of them look like mojo to me. dark beast is there look again. Mojo isnt.

Hes to the top left of Dr. Doom.

[Toboe]

The look wasn't bad. But combined with his new Fart Powers. Yeah, classic Gambit please. :D

Well, yeah, it was mainly the Astonishing Fart Powers that annoyed me to hell. The look wasn't that bad as long as it was only temporary.

I love Carey for birnging his classic look back. :D

[drwho]

Hes to the top left of Dr. Doom.

That looks more like dark beast than mojo. Mojo isnt that color and has tubes sticking out of his head. So that is not mojo. No one there looks like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/Uncanny461.jpg/400px-Uncanny461.jpg

[Beast]

Wait uh which one is mojo again? Cus none of them look like mojo to me. dark beast is there look again. Mojo isnt.
Carey confirmed Dark Beast isn't on the screens. Sorry Dr. Who.

[Diablito]

That looks more like dark beast then mojo.

It's too fat to be Dark Beast. It also has a yellowish tone, with silver hair.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Wow avoiding spoilers for days on end really makes you enjoy an issue that much more :)

I was SOOO angry when it ended tho LOL I want MORE its like a drug I can't stop lol.

I got the Maurader Cover...and the Finch one was inside it anyway with a list of who's who. I just liked the idea of the badguys on a cover for once so i got that one.

I can't wait for next month this issue totally kicked ass. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the individual mauraders, but I LOVE LOVE LOVED Malice and Lady M.

What does everyone make of the "one minute before dawn" line?

Edit: I can NOT believe you people! This issue that we've been waiting for MONTHS to read is finally out and all you can do is talk about who's on the monitor or not instead of the actual story.

Flicking fanboys *tch*

[Diablito]

Wow avoiding spoilers for days on end really makes you enjoy an issue that much more :)

I was SOOO angry when it ended tho LOL I want MORE its like a drug I can't stop lol.

I got the Maurader Cover...and the Finch one was inside it anyway with a list of who's who. I just liked the idea of the badguys on a cover for once so i got that one.

I can't wait for next month this issue totally kicked ass. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the individual mauraders, but I LOVE LOVE LOVED Malice and Lady M.

What does everyone make of the "one minute before dawn" line?

Edit: I can NOT believe you people! This issue that we've been waiting for MONTHS to read is finally out and all you can do is talk about who's on the monitor or not instead of the actual story.

Flicking fanboys *tch*

ICEF, have you gotten CnD 42? It ties in with X-Men 200, and almost surpasses it in quality.

[Beast]

You know... with the Marauder's targetting temporal anomolies or individuals with some variation of temporal powers... makes me wonder if Mister Sinister's whole plan is that he's trying to harness a massive amount of temporal energy in order to alter reality once again. Hence why killing people like Quiet Bill, The Witness, or even the X-Men doesn't effect his intentions to save the mutant race. Hmmm, could be.

[drwho]

All it is is a close up of his face. He has hair. mojo doesnt have hair. it is a badly drawn picture of dark beast.

[Beast]

It depends on the artist. But it's not Dark Beast. It's Mojo. Carey already confirmed that Doc isn't there.

[The Lucky One]

All it is is a close up of his face. He has hair. mojo doesnt have hair. it is a badly drawn picture of dark beast.

I'm not arguing with you about the image -- I didn't take a close look and don't remember what it looked like -- but when the writer himself confirms that it isn't Dark Beast, shouldn't that settle it? What more do you need?

-D

[Hi-Fi]

Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Beast]

Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi-Fi's gonna burst! Run for your lives!! :D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

ICEF, have you gotten CnD 42? It ties in with X-Men 200, and almost surpasses it in quality.

No I didn't look at it and I didn't know it tied into Xmen 200

Hey a question about the Mauraders

After Lady M does her cool reveal there are two people I don't recognize.

Who's the git next to Vertigo in the green jacket and whose the bald guy in the blue/yellow shirt with the earing?

[frog]

Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone call an ambulance for HiFi!:eek:

[drwho]

Carey confirmed Dark Beast isn't on the screens. Sorry Dr. Who.

All I can say is he better get with his artist cus that is the worst rendition of mojo I have ever seen.

[The Lucky One]

Who's the git next to Vertigo in the green jacket and whose the bald guy in the blue/yellow shirt with the earing?

Scrambler and Blockbuster.

-D

[caney]

Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hehehe I just read it! I don't know where to start commenting. My favorite part was when Lady M reveals the Marauders. *snap* :D

Edit: Also, poor Bobby. He's been tainted by Mystique. At least she didn't shoot him. :eek:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

thanks luv.

So who else wants to march over to Marvel and demand we get WEEKLY x-men issues until this arc is over lol

[Hi-Fi]

Best Part Ever was Lady M revealing the Marauders. Amazing. They were RIGHT THERE!!!

Riptide in the elevator: AWESOME.

And God, month after month I'm seeing Rogue getting kicked while on the floor!! Mike keeps hurting her. I love her so much. :(

[ProfeZZor X]

Carey said that what Mystique did to Bobby would be answered in X-Men #201.

I hope so. Because having both of them in the same room together and not snicker or even make eye contact seemed kind of weird after just having sex. I know in the past he hid the fact that he was taking on his secondary mutation, but I think Carey has made him smarter than that to say something about any condition... Which he kind of did,when he mentioned it to Wolverine.

I think he'll eventually come clean and tell Scott/Emma/Rogue that he shared an intimate moment with Mystique.

[Brian M.]

Best Part Ever was Lady M revealing the Marauders. Amazing. They were RIGHT THERE!!!

Riptide in the elevator: AWESOME.

And God, month after month I'm seeing Rogue getting kicked while on the floor!! Mike keeps hurting her. I love her so much. :(

I'd have to say that Riptide in the elevator was one hell of a way to start off the issue, that was amazing looking and felt so damn intense too.

[Nyssane]

Best Part Ever was Lady M revealing the Marauders. Amazing. They were RIGHT THERE!!!

Riptide in the elevator: AWESOME.

And God, month after month I'm seeing Rogue getting kicked while on the floor!! Mike keeps hurting her. I love her so much. :(

With every shot, she gets stronger. :)

[Brian M.]

With every shot, she gets stronger. :)

I don't know, that shot looked like it put her right next to Jean Grey...

[Hi-Fi]

With every shot, she gets stronger. :)
LOL, yeah, I bet she'll look great in the coffin next issue. :p

I loved seeing Sam reaching out of her, but that wasn't her! Poor Rogue. :(

Also: Unuscione!!

[caney]

Best Part Ever was Lady M revealing the Marauders. Amazing. They were RIGHT THERE!!!


I just said that, LOL!!! :)

I think Rogue will end up OK at in the end. I can't wait to see how the next issue begins. Who will rush to Rogue's aid first? I'm betting on Sam. Did you like their little conversation?

[Hi-Fi]

I just said that, LOL!!! :)

I think Rogue will end up OK at in the end. I can't wait to see how the next issue begins. Who will rush to Rogue's aid first? I'm betting on Sam. Did you like their little conversation?
I loved it! I kept thinking: "kiss her" and then "Oh noes! She would kill you!".

[The Lucky One]

I think he'll eventually come clean and tell Scott/Emma/Rogue that he shared an intimate moment with Mystique.

You kidding? It's Bobby- he'll make fliers and distribute them all around the school.

"Hank, I have made it with Kurt's mother! Inform the students."

-D

[Beast]

You kidding? It's Bobby- he'll make fliers and distribute them all around the school.

"Hank, I have made it with Kurt's mother! Inform the students."

-D
Beast needs to thwap him in the back of the head for that. Bobby should know better, after Infectia. :p

[The Lucky One]

I loved it! I kept thinking: "kiss her" and then "Oh noes! She would kill you!".

No way- he's nigh-invulnerable when he's blastin'!

-D

[Brian M.]

No way- he's nigh-invulnerable when he's blastin'!

-D

Maybe they could do it while hovering over Mystique's home. Ala Husk/Angel.

[caney]

I wish Ramos did Cable art and Bachalo did the house art.

I kinda felt that way reading the issue as well. But it makes sense the way they did it because Ramos is going to do the rest of the story arc and I think we're done with Cable for now.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I dont think anyone's going to be rushing to anyone's aid.

Malice took out emma, Cyclops, wolverine (also fought riptide), iceman got shot, rogue go shot, karima, mystique, lady M switched sides.

The Mauraders out number them. This is kick ass

[Brian M.]

I kinda felt that way reading the issue as well. But it makes sense the way they did it because Ramos is going to do the rest of the story arc and I think we're done with Cable for now.

DON'T SAY THAT!!! HE'LL BE BACK!!! YOU JUST WATCH!!!

[Nyssane]

LOL, yeah, I bet she'll look great in the coffin next issue. :p

I loved seeing Sam reaching out of her, but that wasn't her! Poor Rogue. :(

Also: Unuscione!!

Well look on the bright side, if Rogue is a goner, then that means Iceman and Cannonball are there to stay! I'd love to see one of them rise up and lead the team.

I loved it! I kept thinking: "kiss her" and then "Oh noes! She would kill you!".

LOL! I'd love some RoguexSam romance.

[Beast]

DON'T SAY THAT!!! HE'LL BE BACK!!! YOU JUST WATCH!!!
He's dead, Jim.

[cgar]

so does anyone think that rogue and bobby are gonna be on the outs because of what he did with mystique. Carey said that only two of the main three were gonna be around after the crossover...im think rogue and sam stay...iceman leaves

and just another question for the hardcore fans...were magma, sunspot and empath not xmen.or xfactor folks..why were they not on the cover

[caney]

Well look on the bright side, if Rogue is a goner, then that means Iceman and Cannonball are there to stay! I'd love to see one of them rise up and lead the team.


I don't think you've read any posts by Hi-Fi before. :p

[Brian M.]

He's dead, Jim.

Maybe Cyclops and Jean can go on a Search for Cable mini...all I know is that if he is dead Cyclops better have a damn good reaction. I mean that is his flesh and blood right there. It's not cloned, it's not alternate universe crap, it's his son.

[Hi-Fi]

Only downside is that the art was HORRID in some parts. Bachalo would have been so much better drawing the entire issue.

[Beast]

Rogue's not going anywhere. Carey's teased future events with Rogue. So we'll see.

[Hi-Fi]

Well look on the bright side, if Rogue is a goner, .
What???? :evilangry

[Brian M.]

I thought I'd be more angry at Carey, but Fabian's issue really helped me not swim over to England and behead anyone. That's a plus.

[Beast]

I thought I'd be more angry at Carey, but Fabian's issue really helped me not swim over to England and behead anyone. That's a plus.
He's coming to the U.S. next month, it would have been easier for you. :p

But no joking about killing creators. :D

[Hi-Fi]

I thought I'd be more angry at Carey, but Fabian's issue really helped me not swim over to England and behead anyone. That's a plus.
Why do you assume Carey was the one who killed him? This screams editorial for me and I bet Fabian was asked about it before Mike. Why don't you PM Fabian about this subject?

[ProfeZZor X]

Mike Carey confirmed it's Sugar Man, not Dark Beast.


Yeah it looks like Sugar Man on the screen... But for the life of me, I can't possibly fathom why a character with his disposition as a second rate henchman, with the intelligence of a pomegrante seed - have to offer. Let alone being on a panel of far superior, super intelligent enigmas.

[Beast]

Yeah it looks like Sugar Man on the screen... But for the life of me, I can't possibly fathom why a character with his disposition as a second rate henchman, with the intelligence of a pomegrante seed - have to offer. Let alone being on a panel of far superior, super intelligent enigmas.
You realize that Sugar Man was a genetic mastermind also, right?

He was responsible for creating the mutate bonding proces that Genosha used to control it's Mutants.

[ProfeZZor X]

I dont think anyone's going to be rushing to anyone's aid.

Malice took out emma, Cyclops, wolverine (also fought riptide), iceman got shot, rogue go shot, karima, mystique, lady M switched sides.

The Mauraders out number them. This is kick ass

Don't forget the cover of #202, with Colossus and the New X-Men. That might be the Iceman/Cannonball/X-Men's back up plan.

[jarrod]

I loved it! I kept thinking: "kiss her" and then "Oh noes! She would kill you!".
Hell naws! Sam's tight little caboose belongs to Betsy! :mad:

[Elias Bogan]

Ramos's art is downright horrid and does not match up with the script in some places. First off, we can see Cannonball's arm when Karima fries Emma and are we supposed to believe that no one heard that or wondered where Emma had wondered off to? Second, Iceman is shown being totally iced up and then not and then his arm which doesn't match the script at all. Moreoever, he and Raven looking like teenagers was just ridiculous. And Mystique being a traitor at all just screams plot device. Moreover, when did she and Regan have time to plot w.o the other x-men noticing?

[ProfeZZor X]

You realize that Sugar Man was a genetic mastermind also, right?

Duh... I was invisioning the X-Men Legends II Sugar Man, with the thick New Yorker accent. :p

Kind of threw me off track for a moment.

[Faded]

I'm malfunctioning, guyz? Like Rogue only not as cute. This was too awesome.

Anyway, I think Sugar-Man is definitely on the screens during ES. Speaking of which, it was a great opening chapter. I can't describe! Loss of adjectives. Just beautiful. Flawless.

BUT---once again Scrambler doesn't get a good face shot. :mad:

[The Lucky One]

and just another question for the hardcore fans...were magma, sunspot and empath not xmen.or xfactor folks..why were they not on the cover

Magma and Sunspot were members of the New Mutants and Sunspot was on X-Force, but the only time they were ever X-Men was during UXM annual #10, which Marvel generally doesn't consider as making them "official" X-Men. They were quasi-X-Men, like the Muir Island and Eve of Destruction emergency teams.

Empath was only ever a member of the Hellions and assisted the X-Treme X-Men once, but was never an X-Man.

-D

[Nyssane]

Don't forget the cover of #202, with Colossus and the New X-Men. That might be the Iceman/Cannonball/X-Men's back up plan.

Well don't forget, they also have the Acolytes to contend with.

[Nyssane]

BUT---once again Scrambler doesn't get a good face shot. :mad:

I KNOW! Ugh, and I hate that outfit. I much prefer Scrambler to wear his tuxedo-ish pretty boy outfit.

[The Lucky One]

Hell naws! Sam's tight little caboose belongs to Betsy! :mad:

....you misspelled "Rahne."

Or "Lila."

-D

[jarrod]

Magma and Sunspot were members of the New Mutants and Sunspot was on X-Force, but the only time they were ever X-Men was during UXM annual #10, which Marvel generally doesn't consider as making them "official" X-Men. They were quasi-X-Men, like the Muir Island and Eve of Destruction emergency teams.

Empath was only ever a member of the Hellions and assisted the X-Treme X-Men once, but was never an X-Man.

-D
They were all also X-Corporation employees, making them all technical X-Men too.

[Faded]

Ramos's art is downright horrid and does not match up with the script in some places. First off, we can see Cannonball's arm when Karima fries Emma and are we supposed to believe that no one heard that or wondered where Emma had wondered off to? Second, Iceman is shown being totally iced up and then not and then his arm which doesn't match the script at all. Moreoever, he and Raven looking like teenagers was just ridiculous. And Mystique being a traitor at all just screams plot device. Moreover, when did she and Regan have time to plot w.o the other x-men noticing?

Its just beginning, give it time.

The mystery and intrigue is what made this exciting.

[ProfeZZor X]

Well don't forget, they also have the Acolytes to contend with.

As if their current situation isn't bad enough.... Geesh.:rolleyes:

But that's what we live for. :D

[Beast]

....you misspelled "Rahne."

Or "Lila."

-D
Speaking of Lila. Since she's supposed to appear, I wonder if she pops in and saves everyone by porting them to her Dyson Sphere before the Marauders can finish them off next issue. :)

[caney]

....you misspelled "Rahne."

Or "Lila."

-D

I think Sam's getting a little too old for both their tastes. :p

[Faded]

I KNOW! Ugh, and I hate that outfit. I much prefer Scrambler to wear his tuxedo-ish pretty boy outfit.

Me too! Who says a mutant criminal can't be stylish?!

P.S. And I wanted an avatar of Scrambler, Humberto Ramos. :mad:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Ramos's art is downright horrid and does not match up with the script in some places. First off, we can see Cannonball's arm when Karima fries Emma and are we supposed to believe that no one heard that or wondered where Emma had wondered off to? Second, Iceman is shown being totally iced up and then not and then his arm which doesn't match the script at all. Moreoever, he and Raven looking like teenagers was just ridiculous. And Mystique being a traitor at all just screams plot device. Moreover, when did she and Regan have time to plot w.o the other x-men noticing?

Maybe Sinister approached Raven about being able to help Rogue. Regan is more than an illusionist isn't she also a telepath?

And Carey did say that we wont be totally clear at first, or even after why the betrayl was made

[Beast]

They were all also X-Corporation employees, making them all technical X-Men too.
That doesn't count either. That wasn't an actual X-Men team.

[jarrod]

....you misspelled "Rahne."

Or "Lila."

-D
Nu-uh! Dani's got that furry covered.

Betsy, Sam and Bobby need to have a threeway. She'd totally have them make out w/each other, it'd be like X tu mamá también. :D

[Volk1]

WOW! Unbelievable. Great scenes.

Regan could never be held back by the X-Men. YOU GO GUUURL!

Bobby is a HORNY A$$HOLE! I hate him now. :evilangry

GAMBIT/SUNFIRE team up. Brilliant. That tag-team is UNSTOPPABLE.

The MARAUDERS were absolutely ACE. Riptide steals the show of course. Faded hates that I know...:p

Regan drinks Absolut. *swoons* She drives me so crazy in a hormonal way and I don't care that she's a comic book character. :o :)


Rogue will survive. But the X-Men just got bitch slapped. Who's going to save them now???

Not Cable LOL.

[Elias Bogan]

Maybe Sinister approached Raven about being able to help Rogue. Regan is more than an illusionist isn't she also a telepath?

And Carey did say that we wont be totally clear at first, or even after why the betrayl was made


Well I hope you are right because this issue by itself and in light of what came before does not make a lick of sense. Moreover, is the 'official' death via that top 10 list Rogue or Cable?

[Slant]

Well I hope you are right because this issue by itself and in light of what came before does not make a lick of sense. Moreover, is the 'official' death via that top 10 list Rogue or Cable?

Its Cable.

[The Lucky One]

They were all also X-Corporation employees, making them all technical X-Men too.

I don't think anyone considers X-Corporation employees X-Men, or that would make Feral an X-Man.

And we can't have that.

-D

[ProfeZZor X]

By the way, where the hell was Exodus and Random in all this? How can they make an appearance on the Ramos cover, and not be in the book?

I know... I know, just like all the other characters on the covers. But since this is specific to the Marauders as shown in a smaller group, their involvement seems eminent, seeing that Sinister employed Exodus' Acolytes and Mystique's Marauders all at the same time.

[jarrod]

That doesn't count either. That wasn't an actual X-Men team.
I dunno, Xaiver actually called them "X-Men"... I know fandom at large doesn't consider it so, but at least the X-men's founder does.

Plus Darkstar was buried at the Institute, something only done for X-Men and students.

[Lanowar]

The back up story was alright though I only regonized a few of the faces but the main story again the art is such a put off same with the Wolverine arc I know there not the same people but to me most of the Marauders seemed to just look the same to me.

[SnakeEater]

I thought this issue was pretty good. Ive been an xmen fan a long time and i was seriously tired of drama having to deal with love or space or something. this one had everything worth reading.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I thought she was buried in Paris?

lets not talk about who was/wasn't on the cover

[Slant]

So, anyone want to take stab in the dark at what Gambit meant by "One minute before Dawn"?

[Mitsaso]

Woot! Amazing issue, and I can't wait for the next one!!

I must admit I'm loving Bobby as a manipulated boy toy!:D But Mystique shooting Rogue by the end makes me think that she'll probably turn out to be a double agent, and her loyalties will be with Rogue and the X-Men. Then she'll run off with Bobby and have three kids and a poodle in a suburbian house with a white picket fence!!!!!:eek:

But for now, I can't wait for some exposition! I wanna see why Mystique (temporarily) sides with the Marauders, why Lady M decided to so as well and I wanna see Bobby kick some ass! And if it takes Rogue getting hospitalised till issue #300 for Bobby to steal the limelight, then so it be!!!


Sorry, Hi Fi.:p


The Endangered Species thing seems like something that would be better as a stand alone mini, but gets dragged out as smaller stories in 17 x-issues! Whatever, since I'm getting all those issues anyway, and this only seems to be something whose purpose is to lead in something else (Messiah Complex, anyone?), I'm not bothered.

I'm glad that Cable gets to be the one who dies. I wouldn't stand to have anybody else in this team offed. But I'm sorry for the Gambit fans... he has his sanity back, his old powers back, but he's evil and he gets Cable killed? I wonder how he will ever get out of this...:rolleyes:

[Nyssane]

By the way, where the hell was Exodus and Random in all this? How can they make an appearance on the Ramos cover, and not be in the book?

I know... I know, just like all the other characters on the covers. But since this is specific to the Marauders as shown in a smaller group, their involvement seems eminent, seeing that Sinister employed Exodus' Acolytes and Mystique's Marauders all at the same time.

I'm assuming they're going to be attacking the school while the Marauders are going at it with Rogue's team. Especially since #202 features the students on the cover and Unuscione is in it.

[talat77]

I wonder why they didn't mention Uncanny on the Brooks page. I love Finch's cover. I makes me happy to hold a cover w/ Scott/Jean front and center on it. So good.

I think they meant the X-Men as a whole. Like the astonishing team didn't get mentioned seperately either...

About the issue:
OMG OMG OMG!!!! So glad I didn't give in to any spoilers or previews this time, I was so exited to see what was on the next page every last panel of a page!!!
The first scene was amazing and really scary. It captured the ruthlesness of Riptide (though I thought it was Scalphunter first) and really set the tone. I loved it!!!
And off course Lady M. I just love her being bad!!!
Cyclops turning to Iceman as head of this team when Rogue is out!!!!

Mystique shooting Rogue point blank was really WTF???
I loved Sam's reaching out to Rogue!
And even though I knew it was coming, I really don't know what to think of Bobby boinking Mystique. (Maybe after #201)
Ramos' Emma is hot!!!!
And Cable blew the joint himself right?? Didn't look like Gambit and Sunfire killed him... I'm not sure if I got that part right, and I didn't get C&D...

Anywayz... Can't wait for the next one!!!!

[jarrod]

But I'm sorry for the Gambit fans... he has his sanity back, his old powers back, but he's evil and he gets Cable killed? I wonder how he will ever get out of this...:rolleyes:
I'm predicting Ray trips off a cliff and crushes him.

[Diablito]

Everyone who has read X-Men 200 and like it, has to get Cable and Deadpool 42! More Sunfire and Gambit goodness.

And my dream came true. A Bachalo drawn Sunfire in 616!

[jarrod]

I'm assuming they're going to be attacking the school while the Marauders are going at it with Rogue's team. Especially since #202 features the students on the cover and Unuscione is in it.
It's Kitty, Pete and the kids at the school, right? That should be sexcellent!! :D

[Hi-Fi]

Hell naws! Sam's tight little caboose belongs to Betsy! :mad:
Nah, Betsy is already tied up to Blink in Exiles.

But for now, I can't wait for some exposition! I wanna see why Mystique (temporarily) sides with the Marauders, why Lady M decided to so as well and I wanna see Bobby kick some ass! And if it takes Rogue getting hospitalised till issue #300 for Bobby to steal the limelight, then so it be!!!


Sorry, Hi Fi.:p
the fuck??


I wonder if Logan will try to give his healing factor to Rogue. But if he touches her, he dies!

Mystique is soooo a double agent. I say she's still working for the X-Men.

[JBKWaka]

Don't tell me that Mystique has aligned herself with the Mauraders again :eek: in fact I was kinda hoping for more interaction between Rogue and Mystique this issue oh well.
As For Gambit Hes back :) I can't until it is revealed that he was a mole inside the Mauraders all along. Also apparently Malice can now travel via E-Mail :confused:

[Pyro]

LOVED IT!!! YAY! I'm glad I didn't spoil myself. I was really surprised when Mystique shot Rogue. Poor Rogue. She's got a lot she needs to get through just to survive. :( Lol, she was so CRAZEE in the beginning of the issue.

OMG Did Bobby and Mystique have sex?!? They both looked hot this issue, so I can see why they couldn't keep their hands off each other. Emma looked cute too.

I bought the Bachalo cover. I just liked that one the most. I wish we had more of his stuff on the inside though, but Ramos did an acceptable job.

Gambit splash page!!! *LICK*

Can't wait for next issue! WHEEE!!!

[SnakeEater]

I!
And Cable blew the joint himself right?? Didn't look like Gambit and Sunfire killed him... I'm not sure if I got that part right, and I didn't get C&D...

Anywayz... Can't wait for the next one!!!!

Yeah Cable said Requim and the place blew up. Gambit and Sunfire ran like little girls

[Hi-Fi]

By the way, for the people who got the Ramos cover, was that woman still a blonde or was it Mystique?

[Nyssane]

By the way, for the people who got the Ramos cover, was that woman still a blonde or was it Mystique?

Still blonde. :o

[SnakeEater]

how many people actually got the Finch cover?

[caney]

But Mystique shooting Rogue by the end makes me think that she'll probably turn out to be a double agent, and her loyalties will be with Rogue and the X-Men.

You know, that thought never crossed my mind, but I bet you're right. :cool:

[Beast]

Called it pretty much on why Beast didn't include Dark Beast in his teleconfrence.
Beast - yeah, it's exactly that. Hank just isn't able to contemplate co-operating with a monster who's basically his own evil twin. But we don't always get what we want...
Can't wait for the ES back-up stories where they meet and have to work together. *Bounce* :D

[Diablito]

how many people actually got the Finch cover?

I got the Finch cover. Surprisingly, my comic store had more Finch covers than the Ramos and Bachalo covers combined.

[SnakeEater]

I got the Finch cover. Surprisingly, my comic store had the more Finch covers than the Ramos and Bachalo covers combined.

My comic store only had the Bachalo cover on the rack, maybe 50 or so copies. When the nice girl behind the counter handed me mine i almost fell to the floor because it was the finch cover :) I may not like finch's work over in Avengers, but my god this cover is smoking

[Beast]

I got the Finch cover. Surprisingly, my comic store had more Finch covers than the Ramos and Bachalo covers combined.
Not really surprising. They were a seperate order.

Where as the Bachalos and Ramos covers were a 50/50 variant order.

[Diablito]

Not really surprising. They were a seperate order.

Where as the Bachalos and Ramos covers were a 50/50 variant order.

I actually thought that the Finch covers were supposed to be rare, like 1/100. It kind of makes me want to get the other covers.

[Beast]

I actually thought that the Finch covers were supposed to be rare, like 1/100. It kind of makes me want to get the other covers.
Nope. The Finch cover was a completely seperate order number from the Bachalo/Ramos split.

That's why I ordered one of each from my LCS. :)

[Brian M.]

Yea I got the Finch cover...kinda wanna get the other two but...na. Not gonna. I love the Finch cover. Jean looks for purty.

[Faded]

The MARAUDERS were absolutely ACE. Riptide steals the show of course. Faded hates that I know...:p

I don't hate it or him! I just think he can look a little goofy. But this issue was a serious exception. He was one of the most formidable purple mini-tornadoes I ever sawed. :)

I'm assuming they're going to be attacking the school while the Marauders are going at it with Rogue's team. Especially since #202 features the students on the cover and Unuscione is in it.

You keep saying it, but I'm still having trouble believing it. :o

[SnakeEater]

just a few quick questions.
I noticed the astonishing crew was in this book. They are going to be here the rest of the arc correct. Also i dont really do the whole interview thing or read ahead about whats coming out - i like to keep my upcoming comic info the way i had in 94 and 95; being completely surprised by whatever was in the comic store. But yeah anyhow my other question is about Astonishing. Is that series ending or will it go on after this arc finishs? And if it finishs where is that team ending up?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I just had a sudden "duh" realization

Mystique didn't do anything to Bobby's powers....Scrambler is there

as far as when mystique interacted with the Mauraders....Xmen Annual

RE: astonishing....we don't know they've delayed the book so much that we don't know what's happening with it

Honestly Soulfire has better release dates

[Pyro]

So... The blond on the Ramos cover that looks like Emma is really Mystique?

That's such a weird word... blond. buh-lawned...

>.>

:o

[Red Lotus]

Great issue. Gambit and Sunfire really kicked Cable butt. This was the first time in years that Mauraders look like they could take the X-men down.

As For Gambit Hes back :) I can't until it is revealed that he was a mole inside the Mauraders all along. Also apparently Malice can now travel via E-Mail :confused:

He would be the perfect mole since Exodus wouldn't be able read his mind. I do see him turning back from the darkside and they did say that 2 would return to the x-men.

[Beast]

I just had a sudden "duh" realization

Mystique didn't do anything to Bobby's powers....Scrambler is there

as far as when mystique interacted with the Mauraders....Xmen Annual

RE: astonishing....we don't know they've delayed the book so much that we don't know what's happening with it

Honestly Soulfire has better release dates
It wasn't Scrambler. It was Mystique that did it. Scramber needs to make physical contact with the subject. Where as the tease we got about the 'Power Outage' would be heart-breaking at who was behind it. Mystique doing the deed with Bobby in order to fark up his powers fits the teases.

4. POWER OUTAGE. One of the X-men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!
CAREY: "Such a tragic beat, because of how it's done and who is responsible."

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

So... The blond on the Ramos cover that looks like Emma is really Mystique?

That's such a weird word... blond. buh-lawned...

>.>

:o

that'd make the most sense

either that or Ramos decided to actually give Malice a body to show "who was in the book" rather than any real indication of thier situation

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It wasn't Scrambler. It was Mystique that did it. Scramber needs to make physical contact with the subject. Where as the tease we got about the 'Power Outage' would be heart-breaking at who was behind it. Mystique doing the deed with Bobby in order to fark up his powers fits the teases.

really? where'd you read that? b/c from what I read Regan had them cloaked, Scrambler could've touched him while he was "cloaked"

Or do we have to start using spoilers in a spoiler thread for issues/plots that haven't been printed yet?

[Pro]

That's such a weird word... blond. buh-lawned...

No more pot for Pyro

[jarrod]

I do see him turning back from the darkside and they did say that 2 would return to the x-men.
Given the Bachalo cover, I figured the two returning X-Men in the arc would probably be Northstar and Archangel. Or was it stated specifically that two Marauders would be turning?

[Red Lotus]

Given the Bachalo cover, I figured the two returning X-Men in the arc would probably be Northstar and Archangel. Or was it stated specifically that two Marauders would be turning?

I think it was two Maruaders, but I'm to lazy to try to find it.

[Accroître]

I haven't been able to read the issue yet....but Cable dead?! No way! Did they leave it up to a possible comeback?

Cable is my fav....so I am having a hard time believing they killed him!:evilangry

[Slant]

I think it was two Maruaders, but I'm to lazy to try to find it.

Yeah, the article did say two Marauders. Not sure if it was official though.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I haven't been able to read the issue yet....but Cable dead?! No way! Did they leave it up to a possible comeback?

Cable is my fav....so I am having a hard time believing they killed him!:evilangry

Honest answer: it's being left ambiguious

[Pyro]

The only thing I didn't like about the Bachalo cover was how much space Whorverine took up. It would have been nice to have Rogue centerpieced.

[Beast]

really? where'd you read that? b/c from what I read Regan had them cloaked, Scrambler could've touched him while he was "cloaked"

Or do we have to start using spoilers in a spoiler thread for issues/plots that haven't been printed yet?
The tease was this..

4. POWER OUTAGE. One of the X-men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!
CAREY: "Such a tragic beat, because of how it's done and who is responsible."

Mike Carey said on his website that what caused Bobby's power outage would be revealed in X-Men #201.

[Hi-Fi]

The last scene in the issue is a doozy. Mystique revealed as a traitor after shooting Rogue point blank in the chest. How much fun was that one to write?

Mike Carey: Oh. [laughs] I thought we were being coy about the actual details. Is there going to be a spoiler warning on this?

No, it wasn't fun. It actually kind of hurt. It's weird. You get protective about certain characters, even while you're heaping all kinds of inconceivable misery on their heads. I know how the story ends, and I know both the causes and the outcomes of everything that happens, but still... you know...

I remember once reading a review of a Macbeth production. The reviewer said it was the best Macbeth he'd ever seen, and when the actor playing Macbeth said "We will proceed no further in this matter" he actually BELIEVED it - even though, obviously, the play is written a certain way and we know that he does proceed. He does kill Duncan.

In the same way, there are certain dramatic moments that still hurt you when you read them, even if you know that things won't stay that bleak, that dark. Phoenix's first death, say - the real one. Rogue leaving Gambit in the snow. That kind of thing.

But the rest of the issue... oh, that was fun.
Awwww, Mike.

[drwho]

The tease was this..

4. POWER OUTAGE. One of the X-men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!
CAREY: "Such a tragic beat, because of how it's done and who is responsible."

Mike Carey said on his website that what caused Bobby's power outage would be revealed in X-Men #201.

Meh I dont really see anything too tragic about it plus I really felt like there needed to be shown more development in earlier issues besides Iceman shacking up with MYstique. Mystique came off to me as a tease and a flirt. Maybe Bobby just wanted to hit and was hard up. Guess he will learn his lesson.

[Beast]

Meh I dont really see anything too tragic about it plus I really felt like there needed to be shown more development in earlier issues besides Iceman shacking up with MYstique. Mystique came off to me as a tease and a flirt. Maybe Bobby just wanted to hit and was hard up. Guess he will learn his lesson.
She had sex with him, as part of screwing up his powers... so he couldn't help defend against the Marauders. That's a pretty tragic beat if you ask me, especially cause Bobby actually cared for her.

[marvelboi77]

Anyone else tired of the good/evil Mystique thing. All I know is this better not come to be Mystique and Rogue had a plan, and Mystique really isn't evil... Bla, bla blah.. Just like the Emma Frost Helfire club is she evil is she not..... Mystique better be a bad guy and stay that way.

[marvelboi77]

I bought the awsome Finch cover. I hate Bachelo's art. The comic book store had double the Finch cover vs. the two other ones.

[Quicksilver1]

I liked Mystique being an X-Man, there has to be something more behind her shooting Rogue.

[Omega Alpha]

Just perfect, i knew Carey wouldn't let me down. And i didn't expected for Hank to go so dark so soon. And it sucks that Gambit and Sunfire were the ones to fight Cable. Unless they were mind-controlled, i don't think they're coming back to the team anytime soon.

By the way, for the people who got the Ramos cover, was that woman still a blonde or was it Mystique?

Still a blonde. Probably Ramos just wanted Malice to appear on the cover even if we don't see her that way, and Marvel used it to make people wonder if Emma was siding with the Marauders and keep fans guessing.

list of tv screen people

top row left to right
Pan Modok That doctor from astonishing dark beast
bottom row
looks like sugar man, mr sinister, high evolutionary. Dont know the last guy and then doom.

A little bizarre because high evolutionary can make mutants whenever he wants. Mr Sinister and Dark beast, and sugar man also work with genetics. Didnt mr sinister go against the High ev in the stupid neo mutant story. i don't really see why they would need beasts help. He should know full well they could develop mutants if they wanted to. Doom kind of doesnt fit in this group.

But Beast, Stark, Richards and Pym found things that were supposedly groundbreaking things no one knew about.

Poor Bobby... he will never, ever escape the gay accusations and suspicious looks. Carey could write him having an orgy with seven supermodels and people would say he was overcompensating. :rolleyes:


And Bobby could be on a orgy with guys only that people would still refuse to admit he's gay...

Anyone else tired of the good/evil Mystique thing. All I know is this better not come to be Mystique and Rogue had a plan, and Mystique really isn't evil... Bla, bla blah.. Just like the Emma Frost Helfire club is she evil is she not..... Mystique better be a bad guy and stay that way.

No, they should just keep Mystique a villain. Her reasons to join the X-men always seemed weak, and everyone knew she would backstab them eventually.

[ProfeZZor X]

It wasn't Scrambler. It was Mystique that did it. Scramber needs to make physical contact with the subject. Where as the tease we got about the 'Power Outage' would be heart-breaking at who was behind it. Mystique doing the deed with Bobby in order to fark up his powers fits the teases.

4. POWER OUTAGE. One of the X-men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!
CAREY: "Such a tragic beat, because of how it's done and who is responsible."

That's kind of weird: Give up the family jewels, and lose the Midas touch... :confused:

[Beast]

And i didn't expected for Hank to go so dark so soon.
I don't think he's gone dark just by talking to those people.

But he's been working on fixing things since M-Day. And every avenue has led to dead ends. He's exhausted all of his avenues and now is going with avenues who are more dangerous. I think he will be shown getting darker and more desperate as things go on. But I don't think he's quite there yet. :)

[Omega Alpha]

I don't think he's gone dark just by talking to those people.

But he's been working on fixing things since M-Day. And every avenue has led to dead ends. He's exhausted all of his avenues and now is going with avenues who are more dangerous. I think he will be shown getting darker and more desperate as things go on. But I don't think he's quite there yet. :)

By darker, i meant willing to go that far so soon. I knew he would, but i thought it would be somewhere down the road. And seems like Carey will get Beast. I didn't think there would be in character reasons for it, but now i think that his relationship with Scott will be strained and they will work on separate teams.

[Monty_Cristo]

how did Sugar Man come back to life?

[Beast]

how did Sugar Man come back to life?
Mike Carey said that it would be explained. I'll just blame House of M for now. :D

[ProfeZZor X]

She had sex with him, as part of screwing up his powers... so he couldn't help defend against the Marauders. That's a pretty tragic beat if you ask me, especially cause Bobby actually cared for her.

That whole "emotions dictate your power useage" thing was already done in Spider-Man 2, and shouldn't be carried over in comics. Having sex with someone shouldn't have that kind of effect on anyone. With or without powers. After all, he was with Opal and that never happened with her... So why would it be any different with Mystique?

[Hi-Fi]

That whole "emotions dictate your power useage" thing was already done in Spider-Man 2, and shouldn't be carried over in comics. Having sex with someone shouldn't have that kind of effect on anyone. With or without powers. After all, he was with Opal and that never happened with her... So why would it be any different with Mystique?
How about you wait for the answer in the next issue?

[Red Lotus]

By darker, i meant willing to go that far so soon. I knew he would, but i thought it would be somewhere down the road. And seems like Carey will get Beast. I didn't think there would be in character reasons for it, but now i think that his relationship with Scott will be strained and they will work on separate teams.

I like to know when this is set. Is this set before "Blinded by the Light".

[Beast]

I like to know when this is set. Is this set before "Blinded by the Light".
Carey said that all of Endangered Species wraps before X-Men #200.

I actually don't like that, as it means that we won't get any spectacular reveals. :(

[Mitsaso]

It wasn't Scrambler. It was Mystique that did it. Scramber needs to make physical contact with the subject. Where as the tease we got about the 'Power Outage' would be heart-breaking at who was behind it. Mystique doing the deed with Bobby in order to fark up his powers fits the teases.

4. POWER OUTAGE. One of the X-men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!
CAREY: "Such a tragic beat, because of how it's done and who is responsible."

This can always apply for Rogue, if all that Mystique did was shoot her with a power-dampener! Really, Bobby had a little trouble icing up when the fight started, but afterwards he managed to use his powers anyway and get into the fray! And he's supposed to kick ass along with Sam next issue, so how come everyone thinks that he lost his powers???:confused:

[jarrod]

That whole "emotions dictate your power useage" thing was already done in Spider-Man 2, and shouldn't be carried over in comics. Having sex with someone shouldn't have that kind of effect on anyone. With or without powers. After all, he was with Opal and that never happened with her... So why would it be any different with Mystique?
Who said it's emotional... maybe the, erm, intimate contact was just Raven's means of passing some sort of power blocking mechanism/virus/condition to Bobby?

Vagina dentata!

[Beast]

This can always apply for Rogue, if all that Mystique did was shoot her with a power-dampener! Really, Bobby had a little trouble icing up when the fight started, but afterwards he managed to use his powers anyway and get into the fray! And he's supposed to kick ass along with Sam next issue, so how come everyone thinks that he lost his powers???:confused:
No one said it was permanent. And no, she was shot with a normal gun. There's a bullet, a wound, and blood.

[Slant]

This can always apply for Rogue, if all that Mystique did was shoot her with a power-dampener! Really, Bobby had a little trouble icing up when the fight started, but afterwards he managed to use his powers anyway and get into the fray! And he's supposed to kick ass along with Sam next issue, so how come everyone thinks that he lost his powers???:confused:

Probably because he's the one shown having trouble with his powers.

I seriously doubt that was a power dampener Mystique shot Rogue with.

[Elias Bogan]

If Mystique did indeed kill or depower Rogue, and it is not part of a larger trick or scheme than at least I can see the rational. She would rather herself maim her daughter rather than let Greycow or someone else do it out of some twisted sense of love. In Mystique's mind she is being a good mother by preventing her daughter from being killed by Greycow, etc.

[Beast]

Who said it's emotional... maybe the, erm, intimate contact was just Raven's means of passing some sort of power blocking mechanism/virus/condition to Bobby?

Vagina dentata!
Perhaps she boinked Sabretooth and got his Nannites from him. And then she boinked Iceman to pass them along. And then Malice-Karima activated them, shorting out Bobby's powers. :)

[Beast]

If Mystique did indeed kill or depower Rogue, and it is not part of a larger trick or scheme than at least I can see the rational. She would rather herself maim her daughter rather than let Greycow or someone else do it out of some twisted sense of love. In Mystique's mind she is being a good mother by preventing her daughter from being killed by Greycow, etc.
Other than the fact she's outright tried to murder her in the past.

[jarrod]

OMG, Bobby's got nanocrabs!!!

[Elias Bogan]

Other than the fact she's outright tried to murder her in the past.

Exactly. During "Dreams End" she would rather she herself stab Rogue than let Sabretooth or Toad do it. It's the whole rationale of other people can't talk ish about your friends and family but you can.

[Beast]

OMG, Bobby's got nanocrabs!!!
Now I want to see someone sporting a shocked Iceman avatar with the custom title of "Oh No, Nanocrabs!!"

[jen]

Nah, Betsy is already tied up to Blink in Exiles.


the fuck??


I wonder if Logan will try to give his healing factor to Rogue. But if he touches her, he dies!

Mystique is soooo a double agent. I say she's still working for the X-Men.

I sooooo want to believe you, but after reading the issue and thinking back on MC's comments, I think Rogue is actually dead. He said her powers would be dealt with and that she would change and be completely different after the crossover. Well dead is definitely different. Also he said that she would be the heart of the crossover bit not in a way that we would understand. Think about it, the awesome amazing, bestest mutant of all...... DEAD!!! :( My heart has broken ( I guess that was the heart?). :( :(

[Beast]

I sooooo want to believe you, but after reading the issue and thinking back on MC's comments, I think Rogue is actually dead. He said her powers would be dealt with and that she would change and be completely different after the crossover. Well dead is definitely different. Also he said that she would be the heart of the crossover bit not in a way that we would understand. Think about it, the awesome amazing, bestest mutant of all...... DEAD!!! :( My heart has broken ( I guess that was the heart?). :( :(
It's not Rogue. You can sleep safely. She got shot in the chest, but it's Cable that's dead.

[ProfeZZor X]

Now I want to see someone sporting a shocked Iceman avatar with the custom title of "Oh No, Nanocrabs!!"

Give me that issue.... And you got someone to proudly use that avatar. ;)

[Mitsaso]

Now I want to see someone sporting a shocked Iceman avatar with the custom title of "Oh No, Nanocrabs!!"

...you were saying?:D

[Beast]

...you were saying?:D
Now I officially want to make wild passionate love to you. You rock. :D

[Toboe]

Now I officially want to make wild passionate love to you. You rock. :D

Hey, take a number.

[jen]

It's not Rogue. You can sleep safely. She got shot in the chest, but it's Cable that's dead.

Okay, I just read the interview MC did at Your Mom's Basement and yeah, it's Cable. Poor Cable... but...

YAY ROGUE!!!! :D

:o

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Ok, those who have read the issue. Any word on the three other folks that Beast contacts?

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???

I couldn't make out the other guys either. I couldn't even tell who Zola was to be honest. Thanks for giving me that much. It was good to see Beast resort to the last results. Apparently he's also gonna run into McCoy as the solicits has shown but it should be interesting to see him have to deal with Doom.

I'm very pleased I never have to see Cable again. Loved the Mystique betrayal. Let's face it...Rogue's been asking for it for a long time. After all the fights Cable has survived, he had to resort to blowing himself up to end a threat? He's a bigger idiot than I ever gave him credit for. Good riddance to Nathan Summers. Now bring back Nate Grey IMMEDIATELY!

[jarrod]

Nah, Betsy is already tied up to Blink in Exiles.
*weeps*

Just you wait, a year from now I bet Carey has Betsy leading this team! :evilsmile

[ProfeZZor X]

Guess now all we do is speculate for another whole month on what happens next.... just like always. :( Unless MC gives us more cryptic tidbits to go off of in the coming weeks... which kind of seems likely, since he loves doing those interviews.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

You realize that Sugar Man was a genetic mastermind also, right?

He was responsible for creating the mutate bonding proces that Genosha used to control it's Mutants.

Sugar Man was a moron. He was Prelate running those pits but he didn't have 1/4 of the genius of Dark Beast or Sinister. Unless there was a MAJOR retcon that happened in the anniversary of the AOA series that I never read, Sugar Man was just a halfwit that was usually confusing Cable and Nate Grey for being the same person during his run while he was alive.

how many people actually got the Finch cover?

Of course I got it. Did you think I pick a Marauders cover over Magneto and the rest of the 44 year history of characters? Yeah right.

Also, if anyone remembers what Nick Lowe said during one of the X-Posistions, didn't he say that Beast would run into Magneto in Uncanny?

[ProfeZZor X]

If anything, the one thing that made me REALLY proud, was the fact that Scott assigned Bobby as the next in command on Rogue's team. I almost completely forgot about it.

"Iceman, your team had better establish a perimeter"... Scott Summers :D

It's nice to see Scott giving him credit where credit is due, after all these years of service. Now that Bobby's matured more... Then again, he could very well lose that respect after everyone finds out he slept with Mystique. :(

[Mitsaso]

Now I officially want to make wild passionate love to you. You rock.
Hey, take a number.

Down, boys!!! Tee-hee!:D

Now let's clear up a little this power dampening situation with Bobby.

In order to make things clear, we'll examine our subject in whatever he does after his steamy encounter with Mystique (it will take me two posts because of the image limit).

Item 1:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby1.jpg
Bobby has just gotten some, but he looks really grumpy although he's eating his favourite chips! Also, a little glimpse on how Mystique could have administered the power dampener...

Item 2:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby2.jpg
Bobby is eager to comply to Logan's orders (must be something about the authority in his voice), but he can't ice up properly! This is when the trouble begins. (Sorry, Beast for having Hank covered up by that thought bubble...)

Item 3:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby3.jpg
The battle has just broken out and Bobby has no other choice but to jump into it while being incompletely iced up.


TO BE CONTINUED...

[Chiasm]

Best damn X-comic I've read in years. Even if the art sucked. I've never liked Ramos's art.

I especially loved because finally FINALLY finally we're seeing some realistic portrayals of all these so called "reformed" villians who became X-men. Seeing Regan and Raven go bad was awesome because they are both meant to be bad guys. The only way this could have been better is if Emma had joined them. The only bad guy to good guy move I've ever bought and not had a problem with, in the last 25+ years anyway, was Rogue since she was just a messed up kid when she was a bad guy and her coming to the X-men was understandable.

Crossing my fingers that Regan and Raven stay bad.

[jarrod]

Scott put Bobby in charge? Uh, hello, Sam's the one with any real experience, drive or potential for leadership... stupid O5 club. :P

[Mitsaso]

Item 4:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby4.jpg

Bobby gets shot!!! Oh noes!! But this time he seems to be fully iced up! Did he manage to overcome the dampener? Or is it a coloring snafu?

Item 5:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby5.jpg
The next caption proves that Bobby's head in the last panel was colored as if it was iced up by mistake. Unless the problem with his power makes him ice on anf off all the time.

Item 6:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby6.jpg
The final and most confusing panel of Bobby in #200!
He seems totally iced up and in action!!! WTF?
My guess is that Carey's instructions on the page was "big splash page with Rogue going into a full-fledged battle" and Ramos forgot that Bobby is supposed to be depowered and drew him like that.

That's all I can say. As for the rest of it, I guess we'll find out next issue. It's definitely nothing permanent though!:D

[Chiasm]

And I wonder if the "death" in this issue is Rogue but not in the way anyone expects. It was strongly hinted at in this issue that Rogue's personality might be dying under the attack of 8 billions minds. So her body may well live on under the control of 8 billion minds while Rogue's psyche dies.

[Beast]

Beast's looking a bit odd in that one panel also. He probably smells Mystique all over Bobby. ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/bobby2.jpg

...And since when does Logan start barking orders? Scott gave Bobby the command to lead his team into the battle.

I'm surprised neither Beast or Logan smell ol' Mystique all over Bobby. Even the smallest trace of her.

[Beast]

And I wonder if the "death" in this issue is Rogue but not in the way anyone expects. It was strongly hinted at in this issue that Rogue's personality might be dying under the attack of 8 billions minds. So her body may well live on under the control of 8 billion minds while Rogue's psyche dies.
It's Cable. But yes, the tease for Rogue was that someone's mind may be too far gone to salvage.

[Unkillable Cat]

Gambit and Sunfire ran like little girls

Gambit and Sunfire: The Fastest Little Girls in the World. They'd have to be, to outrun a blast like that.

My thoughts on this issue: Awesome. Carey is finally on a good roll and he's leaving the characters lying by the roadside like cops in a Smokey & The Bandit film.

# I do not think Cable is dead. No way, nohow. He'll be back.

# Mystique is turning to be quite the X-whore. Her bedpost must look like a worn scratchpost by now, just 'cause of the notches alone.

# I've always felt that Sugar Man was an underused character with some potential, but that potential should have been limited to the X-Man series. But that went belly-up, so he, like the other AoA refugees, went to Comic Limbo. I like that Claremont brought him back and tried to put him down, but some things just never stay down...

# How come all of the Marauders came back, when only some of them were reported to have "survived" M-Day? I know that Sinister has their DNA next to his Xerox machine, but S.H.I.E.L.D. intel should at least be aware of that fact.

[jarrod]

...And since when does Logan start barking orders?
Since Scott mistakenly put an ineffectual closeted manchild in charge. :D

Sam! Sam! Sam!

[Faded]

Carey said that all of Endangered Species wraps before X-Men #200.

I actually don't like that, as it means that we won't get any spectacular reveals.

That does suck.

Its hard to imagine how it will be significant at all, then.

I sooooo want to believe you, but after reading the issue and thinking back on MC's comments, I think Rogue is actually dead. He said her powers would be dealt with and that she would change and be completely different after the crossover. Well dead is definitely different. Also he said that she would be the heart of the crossover bit not in a way that we would understand. Think about it, the awesome amazing, bestest mutant of all...... DEAD!!! :( My heart has broken ( I guess that was the heart?). :( :(

Okay, I just read the interview MC did at Your Mom's Basement and yeah, it's Cable. Poor Cable... but...

YAY ROGUE!!!! :D

LOL!

[Sentou Ryoku]

Wolvie seems too agree too fast on that 'touch-him-and-die' plan of theirs waaay too fast. I mean, I know they're friends and all but, damn.

[Slant]

I know that Sinister has their DNA next to his Xerox machine, but S.H.I.E.L.D. intel should at least be aware of that fact.

Sinister is pretty much invisible to the rest of the world.

[Beast]

I assume that it will be signifigant in that the things Beast does in Endangered Species will get revealed during Messiah Complex. That's the only way I can really see it having any real impact.

[DDM]

# How come all of the Marauders came back, when only some of them were reported to have "survived" M-Day? I know that Sinister has their DNA next to his Xerox machine, but S.H.I.E.L.D. intel should at least be aware of that fact.

S.H.I.E.L.D. should not even be aware of Mister Sinister's existence. The same should apply to the Marauders.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Exactly. How the hell would Shield even know Sinister exists? Unless Beast and Tony have being off in tangents on the subject, it doesn't even add up.

[ProfeZZor X]

I assume that it will be signifigant in that the things Beast does in Endangered Species will get revealed during Messiah Complex. That's the only way I can really see it having any real impact.

I agree. It wouldn't make sense to blow your whole load before the end of the storyline. I'm going to assume it's safe to say that Hank, Reed, Pym, and Stark came up with some ground-breaking discovery, and that he's using that as a bargaining chip... But then again, it could be a bluff, and not be all that significant.

[Red Lotus]

Exactly. How the hell would Shield even know Sinister exists? Unless Beast and Tony have being off in tangents on the subject, it doesn't even add up.

Well wasn't one of the things the Illuminati was going to do is share info so maybe Xavier told Stark and Stark told SHIELD.

[Sentou Ryoku]

On another plot point, Professor seems to mess up on Providence's population count since it forgot to mention Senyaka (during C&D) and Sunfire being their to mess with Cable. Is it because Sunfire isn't ON the island as he's flying over it? **For Senyaka, I have no excuse**

[jarrod]

Uh, why wouldn't SHIELD have files on Sinister... the government certainly would, of only due to his encounters with X-Factor (a team which Xaiver helped in putting together, and likely shared intel with). Plus there's Bishop over in O*N*E.... really, I'm a bit surprised some would think SHIELD wouldn't know about such a major league, high profile threat.

[Hi-Fi]

I sooooo want to believe you, but after reading the issue and thinking back on MC's comments, I think Rogue is actually dead. He said her powers would be dealt with and that she would change and be completely different after the crossover. Well dead is definitely different. Also he said that she would be the heart of the crossover bit not in a way that we would understand. Think about it, the awesome amazing, bestest mutant of all...... DEAD!!! My heart has broken ( I guess that was the heart?).
LOL, she's safe. Mike wouldn't do that to us!!!


*weeps*

Just you wait, a year from now I bet Carey has Betsy leading this team! :evilsmile
No, dude, Betsy will be busy playing cards with Morph or whoever in crystal palace.;)

If anything, the one thing that made me REALLY proud, was the fact that Scott assigned Bobby as the next in command on Rogue's team. I almost completely forgot about it.

"Iceman, your team had better establish a perimeter"... Scott Summers

It's nice to see Scott giving him credit where credit is due, after all these years of service. Now that Bobby's matured more... Then again, he could very well lose that respect after everyone finds out he slept with Mystique. :(
Should be Sam, though.

Scott put Bobby in charge? Uh, hello, Sam's the one with any real experience, drive or potential for leadership... stupid O5 club. :P
Agreed. Scott probably asked Mystique to shoot Rogue.:p

...And since when does Logan start barking orders? Scott gave Bobby the command to lead his team into the battle.

Please! When Logan barks, everybody should jump. Dude has decades of experience.

[Hi-Fi]

How cute was Rogue trying to help out at the end: "X-Men!! Rally on me!! I'm f*ckin crazy now, though!"

:(

[marvelboi77]

I'm really getting tired of the core female X-Men dying.. First it was Jean, then Storm, then Psylocke, then Jean, and now Rogue.:mad:

[gorthon616]

I quite enjoyed the issue. I'm not exactly sure why they were in Rogues house, but I didn't fret to much on that. Not a fan on Ramos. The stuff in providence, I found to be much more interesting though.

[jarrod]

No, dude, Betsy will be busy playing cards with Morph or whoever in crystal palace.;)
*weeps more*

Maybe Claremont'll trade her out for Sage? C'mon, Betsy telekinetically sodomizing Sam and Bobby a-to-a... practically writes itself!


Agreed. Scott probably asked Mystique to shoot Rogue.:p
Lolz, Scott's totally a-holie enough to do it.


Please! When Logan barks, everybody should jump. Dude has decades of experience
Srsly. Xaiver, Ro, Scott and Jean are the only ones I can even imagine pulling rank over him. Maybe Emma too, but everyone else would just listen to Logan anyway. :D