X-Men #200 Review and Spoilers

[Alex A Sanchez]

How dare you ask such a personal question.
Beast is unable to get to a comic book store and thats all you need to goddamn know.

Well, no need to be rude. Not that it's any of your business. But the comic shop is on the way over to my house. It saves a trip this way, if he picks it up when he's on his way over.

Wow. Sorry. I honestly did not mean for that to be a rude question. I was thinking that maybe you were an 8th grader or something (and maybe your older brother was picking up your comics), and my next comment was going to be about what a well-spoken, intelligent 8th grader you were.
Info was placed into the public domain about your brother, etc. so I figured it was safe to ask. Otherwise I would not have.


I wanna know how and when thery recruited Lady Mastermind, since Mike said she joined the Marauders later at the game.

I'm guessing:

Rogue's house.

Mystique: "So, wanna join my group and kill the X-Men? It's happening in five minutes".
Regan (puts Absolut bottle down): "Meh, sure, why not?"

Ha ha! Hilarious.

Personally, I was suspecting that she was recruited earlier- does anyone feel like rereading for clues?

His name is Sinister because his wife called him that when she was condemning the kind of man he had become at the end of the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix.

Is this a good time to further discuss how fantastic Claremont's original origin for Sinister is, and how Bob Harris ruined it all?

Guys?

...?

I'm thinking Cable is dead and Rogue is alive

I missed the memo that said an X-man was going to die in this issue. I was under the impression that both Cable and Rogue were still alive. Gambit's not that fast- how much slower would Nathan be trying to outrun that blast? Couldn't Professor put up a force shield for him maybe?


That's what I'm thinking. She took Rogue down "safely". But c'mon, she shot her in the chest!

Kinda like how Snape "killed" Dumbledore? It had to be convincing if it was to fool the other team.

[North-Star]

Kinda like how Snape "killed" Dumbledore? It had to be convincing if it was to fool the other team.

Noooooo!!! Don't even begin to compare Mystique, with one of literatures most intriguing characters!! (and yeah Snape still is a good guy....)
Mystique is a downright Bee-#tch!! I don't care what u people say, that's she's still with the x-men and tripple crossing who knows who!! She's evil... which is perfect, 'cos now she truly is back to being a real villain...

It's what Carey said, with all the personalities she's been over the years, she doesn't know who she is anymore. What good or what evil is, the only thing she knows is what's familliar to her i.o.w being evil.

She is interesting I'll admit that (I'm devoting a hell lot of time with hatin' her on this board), but she's not even close to "Snape-Level" Mystique the mutantpowerpiemelsucking-"lady" has got to get what's coming for her...

Still think she's gonna end up pregnant..
This will be my last "Kill Mystique tantrum" I'd open up a thread, just don't know how!!


So kill off Mystique!!!! (In decimation no A-list charachters ended up powerless forever... I want deaths that stick... how much I love/hate a character... Bye bye Cable, Mystique....:evilsmile Okay I'm gruesome...)

[Canemacar]

I read both X-men 200 and CDP 42 and i was surprised by how much better Carey wrote Gambit than Nicieza did. While he did fall back on some cliche one-liners and card puns, Carey's version of the character used his power in creative ways, showed a bit of guile, hinted at some character devbelopment, and the dialogue was spot on in that doll scene. Nicieza's on the other hand was pretty lame and two dimensional(even for a guest appearance). He also rewrote a few things from X-men to make Cable seem cooler than everyone else (but then it was supposedly his death issue so I guess he was entitled).

I'm interested in seeing where Carey goes with this.

[sephirothskiller]

I thought it felt weirdly mashed up. Like there weren't any segues... And exposition was left out just for the sake of making stuff feel "mysterious". So for that: 7/10.

[jarrod]

Honestly, the less Gambit says "mon ami" the better. "my friend" was just fine Mr. Carey, keep it up! :D

[The Real Rogue]

Well, I think you were as suprised to find out the fact Courtney Ross is the blond babe we all thought was Emma, but I do not see any coments about that anywhere yet.

[Canemacar]

Honestly, the less Gambit says "mon ami" the better. "my friend" was just fine Mr. Carey, keep it up! :D

I liked that as well. A clever but obvious way to subvert that particular cliche.

[jarrod]

Naw, it's the new new White Queen Meggan!! :D

[Hi-Fi]

I read both X-men 200 and CDP 42 and i was surprised by how much better Carey wrote Gambit than Nicieza did. While he did fall back on some cliche one-liners and card puns, Carey's version of the character used his power in creative ways, showed a bit of guile, hinted at some character devbelopment, and the dialogue was spot on in that doll scene. Nicieza's on the other hand was pretty lame and two dimensional(even for a guest appearance). He also rewrote a few things from X-men to make Cable seem cooler than everyone else (but then it was supposedly his death issue so I guess he was entitled).

I'm interested in seeing where Carey goes with this.
What I found weird is that in C&D it seemed like Gambit was actually trying to kill Cable while in XM it seemed like he was trying to prevent Sunfire from offing him.

[Canemacar]

What I found weird is that in C&D it seemed like Gambit was actually trying to kill Cable while in XM it seemed like he was trying to prevent Sunfire from offing him.

Nicieza twisted things around a bit in CDP but I don't think that was one of them. From the looks of things, Gambit deliberately dropped that "one minute" phrase to spook Cable so they could let him get away and follow him to the command center rather than not wanting to fight him(that trick with the doll isn't exactly how you wave a white flag).

[Pach!]

What I found weird is that in C&D it seemed like Gambit was actually trying to kill Cable while in XM it seemed like he was trying to prevent Sunfire from offing him.

I thought it seemed like Gambit and Sunfire were going to kill Cable in both. I know at least in XM 200 there was the Sunfire speech about why Cable was going to die that seemed to imply that they were going to kill Cable anyways.

[Brian M.]

I hope when Cyclops find out they are responsible for Cable's death he gives both of them the ass whooping of a lifestyle.

[jarrod]

I hope when Cyclops find out they are responsible for Cable's death he gives both of them the ass whooping of a lifestyle.
I hope Yost shows Rachel's psychic backlash on panel in EV, given their permanent mindlink. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Carey's team post MC becoming something of an anti-Marauder focused group (Scott, Rogue, Bobby, Rachel, Kurt, Sam, etc) fixated on hunting them down.

[DDM]

2) What was Bobby talking about, with the "Remember how Rogue was when she first came to us" stuff? That's an untold story waiting to happen. When was the first time they met on panel? Sometime around Inferno, right? Because the X-Men only learned about X-Factor's true identities in the Mutant Massacre, and they didn't actually connect with each other until Inferno, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, though... anyone?

-D

It's one big continuity error. Rogue came to the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #171 when Storm, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Wolverine & Binary were part of the team. Iceman was inbetween teams being neither a member of The Champions & had yet to join Defenders in The New Defenders #125 (with Angel). Essentially, Bobby was a retired hero, hanging out with Warren Worthington III & get his CPA to become an accountant.

The only time Iceman met Rogue was at the height of Inferno in Uncanny X-Men #242-243 & X-Factor #38-39.

Iceman did not formally get to know Rogue until the original X-Factor rejoined the X-Men in X-Men #1-3 (1991).

[jen]

Nicieza twisted things around a bit in CDP but I don't think that was one of them. From the looks of things, Gambit deliberately dropped that "one minute" phrase to spook Cable so they could let him get away and follow him to the command center rather than not wanting to fight him(that trick with the doll isn't exactly how you wave a white flag).

Ah, no. Gambit wasn't there to help Cable or soften Sunfire's evil. He was EVIL. There is no way Gambit & Sunfire were not responsible for Nathan's ultimate descision.

[Hi-Fi]

Jen, I love the "Pentagle Formation" thing you have going on. She was so cute in that part (except for... you know, the art).

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It's one big continuity error. Rogue came to the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #171 when Storm, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Wolverine & Binary were part of the team. Iceman was inbetween teams being neither a member of The Champions & had yet to join Defenders in The New Defenders #125 (with Angel). Essentially, Bobby was a retired hero, hanging out with Warren Worthington III & get his CPA to become an accountant.

The only time Iceman met Rogue was at the height of Inferno in Uncanny X-Men #242-243 & X-Factor #38-39.

Iceman did not formally get to know Rogue until the original X-Factor rejoined the X-Men in X-Men #1-3 (1991).

ummm...what?

regardless if Iceman was actually there they've been teammates for YEARS iceman is familiar with her history and her mental state.

Stop focusing on the continuity and focus on the message. Someone needed to be the voice of the past and Carey chose Iceman. Is it really that important who said the line rather than what was said?

[jen]

Jen, I love the "Pentagle Formation" thing you have going on. She was so cute in that part (except for... you know, the art).

I know right! I can't believe Ramos got to draw the Rogue scenes. Can you imagine the awesomeness if Bachalo had drawn the Rogue & Sam scene?

[Hi-Fi]

It's one big continuity error. Rogue came to the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #171 when Storm, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Wolverine & Binary were part of the team. Iceman was inbetween teams being neither a member of The Champions & had yet to join Defenders in The New Defenders #125 (with Angel). Essentially, Bobby was a retired hero, hanging out with Warren Worthington III & get his CPA to become an accountant.

The only time Iceman met Rogue was at the height of Inferno in Uncanny X-Men #242-243 & X-Factor #38-39.

Iceman did not formally get to know Rogue until the original X-Factor rejoined the X-Men in X-Men #1-3 (1991).
Actually, Iceman and Rogue met at Cyclops/Madelyne wedding. Oh, Dee Dee!

I know right! I can't believe Ramos got to draw the Rogue scenes. Can you imagine the awesomeness if Bachalo had drawn the Rogue & Sam scene?
I know!!! Plus, we'd have actually got some good face expressions. It's a shame. :(

[Red Lotus]

Ah, no. Gambit wasn't there to help Cable or soften Sunfire's evil. He was EVIL. There is no way Gambit & Sunfire were not responsible for Nathan's ultimate descision.

Well Carey did say that

we’re going to see Gambit in #200 and that we do see him in disreputable company and with an indefensible agenda. But Remy is Remy, by which I mean what you see is never exactly what you get: and this story runs all the way through (ultimately, by many twists and turns) to #207. In that time we’ll see a lot of very significant things being done, some of them to Gambit, some of them by Gambit. Wait and see.

[Canemacar]

Ah, no. Gambit wasn't there to help Cable or soften Sunfire's evil. He was EVIL. There is no way Gambit & Sunfire were not responsible for Nathan's ultimate descision.

Ummm, yes I know. Thats what I'm saying: Nicieza didn't twist it so that Gambit was coming off as more bloodthirsty than he should. Gambit stopped Sunfire from offing Cable because he wanted Cable to lead them to his control center, not out of compassion.

[jen]

Well Carey did say that

Yeah, but I still think he is brainwashed. And the Gambit stuff, will likely be him coming to his senses and making it all better. Thus he will betray the Marauders cause well in his right mind there is no way he could be one. It's too much to think Gambit just went evil or sided with Sinny for any reason aside from the Apoccy mess.

[DDM]

ummm...what?

regardless if Iceman was actually there they've been teammates for YEARS iceman is familiar with her history and her mental state.

Stop focusing on the continuity and focus on the message. Someone needed to be the voice of the past and Carey chose Iceman. Is it really that important who said the line rather than what was said?

Bobby stopped associating with the X-Men once he left the team in X-Men #94; at best, even the new X-Men--from Giant Size X-Men #1--are acquaintances. Rogue is less of an acquaintance since she joined much later.

He was at Scott's wedding in Uncanny X-Men #175 because Scott is a friend. Rogue is another story altogether. And he did not get to know her until X-Men #1-3 in 1991.

[Joe Zool]

As a Gambit fan, I'm torn. On one hand, in just one ISSUE, Mike Carey gets his character down cold and managed to undo all the damage that Austen/Milligan did to him. Gambit has always had an agenda, even waaay back in his first appearance. Remember? He only joined the X-Men because of Storm. On the other hand, he's completely ruthless in this issue.

He's a multi-faceted character and I'm not rushing to judgment by saying that he's all eeevvvill now. Like Mike Carey said, there's more to this and I have faith in him. So, I don't think he's evil at all--that's the only thing that's saving him from being completely unredeemable as a murderer. I think there's some secret, hidden agenda behind all of this and we have yet to find out what. (edit--just saw Lotus' post, until #207, at least, lol)

[Canemacar]

Yeah, but I still think he is brainwashed. And the Gambit stuff, will likely be him coming to his senses and making it all better. Thus he will betray the Marauders cause well in his right mind there is no way he could be one. It's too much to think Gambit just went evil or sided with Sinny for any reason aside from the Apoccy mess.

That pretty much goes without saying. Theres no way he'd work for the Marauders and Sinister again of his free will. Especially since Mystique is working for them as well and apparently helped ruin his life because of that alliance.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Bobby stopped associating with the X-Men once he left the team in X-Men #94; at best, even the new X-Men--from Giant Size X-Men #1--are acquaintances. Rogue is less of an acquaintance since she joined much later.

He was at Scott's wedding in Uncanny X-Men #175 because Scott is a friend. Rogue is another story altogether. And he did not get to know her until X-Men #1-3 in 1991.

What are you talking about?

Rogue and Iceman went on a roadtrip together after Legion Quest they're more than just acquaintances.

[jen]

What are you talking about?

Rogue and Iceman went on a roadtrip together after Legion Quest they're more than just acquaintances.

Yeah, but those road trips happend in Uncanny 319 & 323. That would be around X-Men 40-45.

[ProfeZZor X]

Yeah, but those road trips happend in Uncanny 319 & 323. That would be around X-Men 40-45.

So what's your point? ... Bobby also tried to help her out when Gambit turned into a horseman at the end of Milligan's run recently... And even more recent than that, is when he killed Fuego for her. The loyalty is there, it just needs to be brought out more.

[MartinRedmond]

He was at Scott's wedding in Uncanny X-Men #175 because Scott is a friend. Rogue is another story altogether. And he did not get to know her until X-Men #1-3 in 1991.
Which was 16 years ago...

[Brian M.]

DDM isn't saying irrelevant stuff here. We're talking about when Rogue first came, Bobby wasn't there. Now i'm sure there is an easy story that will fix the little glitch but he's right, Bobby really wouldn't have known of Rogue until after her crazy issues were fixed.

[The Lucky One]

I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but... do you guys understand what it is we're discussing? :confused: Neither DDM nor I claimed Bobby hasn't gotten to know Rogue over the years, or that they aren't friends now. What I initially questioned was Bobby saying "Remember what Rogue was like when she first joined us..." Road trips taken a decade later really don't have much bearing on that. I'm not crucifying the issue, don't get defensive... I greatly enjoyed it, as I mentioned before. I was simply asking when they might have met, since Bobby wasn't with the X-Men at that time and wouldn't rejoin for years. And it's true- Scott's wedding to Maddie is really the only time they were in the same place (barring untold tales) until Inferno, years later. That's all.

-D

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but... do you guys understand what it is we're discussing? :confused: Neither DDM nor I claimed Bobby hasn't gotten to know Rogue over the years, or that they aren't friends now. What I initially questioned was Bobby saying "Remember what Rogue was like when she first joined us..." Road trips taken a decade later really don't have much bearing on that. I'm not crucifying the issue, don't get defensive... I greatly enjoyed it, as I mentioned before. I was simply asking when they might have met, since Bobby wasn't with the X-Men at that time and wouldn't rejoin for years. And it's true- Scott's wedding to Maddie is really the only time they were in the same place (barring untold tales) until Inferno, years later. That's all.

-D

What you're also forgetting it that these events aren't "real time", and could very well have happened within 3 to 5 years - X-Men time. Remember, these characters don't age like we do. As far as meeting, wasn't that during the Claremont/Lee run?

[Toboe]

I still wonder, if Wolverine, like, totally smelled on Colossus and Kitty that they had some recration time, wouldn't he smell it on Iceman as well? And Beast was also there, so one of them must've caught something.

[Boogie]

I still wonder, if Wolverine, like, totally smelled on Colossus and Kitty that they had some recration time, wouldn't he smell it on Iceman as well? And Beast was also there, so one of them must've caught something.

I dont think that Wolverine knew that Pete and Kitty and some fun because of smell.. more of becuase of the look on thier faces and the "vibe" in the air.

[Strike_anywhere]

So the X-men are in deep s***. So who is gonna save them now? # of them Mystique,Lady MasterMind and Omega Sentinel have gone bad.
PLus Rogue is down and so is Emma. Outnumbered and having to worry about their injured teammates is means there in trouble.
Who will save them ? Any predictions? I'm going with Magneto and DeadPool showing up to lend a hand.

[Omega Alpha]

So the X-men are in deep s***. So who is gonna save them now? # of them Mystique,Lady MasterMind and Omega Sentinel have gone bad.
PLus Rogue is down and so is Emma. Outnumbered and having to worry about their injured teammates is means there in trouble.
Who will save them ? Any predictions? I'm going with Magneto and DeadPool showing up to lend a hand.

No one will save them.

[Toboe]

I dont think that Wolverine knew that Pete and Kitty and some fun because of smell.. more of becuase of the look on thier faces and the "vibe" in the air.

Well, Whedon said it was open to interpretation. :D

[Brian M.]

Well, Whedon said it was open to interpretation. :D

Kitty's face may have had some "love smell" still on it.

[The Lucky One]

What you're also forgetting it that these events aren't "real time", and could very well have happened within 3 to 5 years - X-Men time. Remember, these characters don't age like we do. As far as meeting, wasn't that during the Claremont/Lee run?

Heh. I never, ever, ever forget that events aren't "real time"... I'm one of the biggest Marvel timeline geeks you'll ever meet. It's a 4:1 sliding timescale, so for every four years that pass in our world, they experience one.

Which has no bearing, of course, on Iceman not being around when Rogue joined. Or anytime afterward. Or the fact that by the time he rejoined the X-Men (X-Men #1-3, taking place ~1.5 years after Rogue joined the team) she was no longer crazy, having already ditched Carol Danvers' personality by then.

-D

[Mikl C]

AMAAAZING ISSUE!
[unpopular opinion] Ramos! > Bachalo! [/u.p]

[Strike_anywhere]

I believe Deadpool will show up. Being Cable did everything he could to save DeadPool. Deapool owes Cable and he is well aware of that.
Also there not gonna kill off the entire X-men. Espically the main members Wolverine, Cyclops,Beast,Emma etc.
So they will need help to fight off all these Mauraders. So unless Nightcrawlers team showsup or something I just picture Magneto or DeadPool showing up espically if the fight gets gets all the way to the mansion.

[rilokyle]

AMAAAZING ISSUE!
[unpopular opinion] Ramos! > Bachalo! [/u.p]

I know! It was kinda true this time though. I was much more impressed with Ramos in this issue- he's perfect for this arc.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

DDM isn't saying irrelevant stuff here. We're talking about when Rogue first came, Bobby wasn't there. Now i'm sure there is an easy story that will fix the little glitch but he's right, Bobby really wouldn't have known of Rogue until after her crazy issues were fixed.

It isn't so much "irrelevant" as the fact that Iceman and Rogue aren't exactly strangers. Rogue wasn't cured of her crazy over the course of a few issues. Even if he wasn't physically there they've been in the xmen together for a really long time he would've either heard about it from someone else or from Rogue herself.

Or even having been around her for so long just seen the way she's changed over the years to speculate how she would've been when she arrived.


This is definately "dont kill the messanger for the message" because people are focusing on Iceman instead of what he said. Rogue is more messed up now than she was when she arrived at the school.

[djm]

What I initially questioned was Bobby saying "Remember what Rogue was like when she first joined us..." -D

When i was reading the issue and bobby said this i thought it was kind of funny too since he was not there when she orginally joined.

No big deal, but it did read funny to me as well

[ScottySummers]

I was as excited like it was Christmas Eve last night in anticipation for getting this issue today. I wanted the Ramos cover and that was the one that had been saved for me. The guy in the shop pointed out that there were two other covers (as if I wouldn't know!) but I was more than happy with what I got.

In regards to 'Emma' being on the cover with The Marauders. I'm going with it being Mystique posing as Emma.

I love the page with Karima repairing herself and Lady M going for the booze. And the close up of Karima's eyes next page - so tragic. I think it's great how Malice posessed her but I really hope that at the end of all this, Karima gets purged and is in a position to be a hero again.

I thought Gambit's entrance was great, deserved that page. I appreciated the moment between Rogue and Sam too.

Emma's face just before she got technowhacked by Kalice made me LOL and although many have said it I also loved Lady M's "Oh, sorry. That'd be me." Quality moment and the break for the next page made it perfectly placed.

In regards to Mystique betraying the X-Men/potentially really actually betraying The Marauders...has there been any chance for Mystique to have made a deal with Sinister since Rogue became infected? Perhaps she allied herself with him in exchange for a cure which is in the bullet. Goes along with, you hurt the ones you love the most and adds a hefty dose of whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger! So Mystique shoots Rogue, looks all lethal and evil to The Marauders while really she's taken Rogue out of the fight and I'm stretching, I know!

[Brian M.]

It isn't so much "irrelevant" as the fact that Iceman and Rogue aren't exactly strangers. Rogue wasn't cured of her crazy over the course of a few issues. Even if he wasn't physically there they've been in the xmen together for a really long time he would've either heard about it from someone else or from Rogue herself.

Or even having been around her for so long just seen the way she's changed over the years to speculate how she would've been when she arrived.


This is definately "dont kill the messanger for the message" because people are focusing on Iceman instead of what he said. Rogue is more messed up now than she was when she arrived at the school.

It's an easy fix anyway, I mean all Bobby has to say is, from what I heard she's just like she was when she came to the mansion. I'm sure he's read up on her history and such, Carey really doesn't need to explain the line.

[Canemacar]

Perhaps she allied herself with him in exchange for a cure which is in the bullet.

I love it!

"Stop moving, I'm trying to give you your medicine!"

BLAM!!!

*thud*

[Mikl C]

Ha. I can't stop thinking about Quiet Bill. Even his friggin' name is lame. Who the hell created such an abomination? I mean, how did this character ever seem like a good idea to anyone!?

:(
I liked QB.
I had no idea that was riptide lolz, I thought it was Bloodscream.

[rilokyle]

Geeeez, people get so worked up over the dialogue these days!

Bobby was probs referring to the X-Men in general, when he said "us."

This is just like that line from Uncanny X-Men a few months ago when Havok talked about the Shi'ar killing Jean. WAAAAAY blown out of porportion.

[Hi-Fi]

Emma's face just before she got technowhacked by Kalice made me LOL
I know! I loved that moment.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/208/emmamalicedfy6.jpg

[Mikl C]

MY COVER FELL OFF!!!! I was admiring it and WHOOSH the book just flopped off the cover!

Any ideas how I can reattach it??




MINE DID TOO!
wtFFF!
It was the glorious Ramos cover. Ramosfabulouzzz.

[Omega Alpha]

In regards to Mystique betraying the X-Men/potentially really actually betraying The Marauders...has there been any chance for Mystique to have made a deal with Sinister since Rogue became infected? Perhaps she allied herself with him in exchange for a cure which is in the bullet. Goes along with, you hurt the ones you love the most and adds a hefty dose of whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger! So Mystique shoots Rogue, looks all lethal and evil to The Marauders while really she's taken Rogue out of the fight and I'm stretching, I know!

Sinister wouldn't have given Mystique the leadership of the Marauders 5 minutes after she looked for him, she must have been working for him for quite a while, and most likely ever since before she joined the X-men.

[ScottySummers]

My Ramostastic issue is still intact. But I haven't pawed it too much yet!

[Mikl C]

Is anyone else finding ES a tad SNOOZEWORTHY?

Also: best bit- Regan going looking for booze and then pouring vod. LOVE.

Imagine how difficult it must have been for Beast to arrange that conference call.

"The time was set at 8 PM."
"Yes, but Zola and Sugar Man aren't on screen yet, and I'm only giving this mournful speech once, so..."
"Doom waits for no man!"

LMAOOOO!!!

[jen]

So what's your point? ... Bobby also tried to help her out when Gambit turned into a horseman at the end of Milligan's run recently... And even more recent than that, is when he killed Fuego for her. The loyalty is there, it just needs to be brought out more.

Daaaaamn, brotha!!! I was just going by the point Lucky One and DDM are making that their moments together were way after she joined. No one is questioning their closeness. Icey and Rogue are toight! Oi Vey! :D

[The Lucky One]

Geeeez, people get so worked up over the dialogue these days!

But that's kind of the thing... nobody is getting worked up over it. We just mentioned it in passing as something that was a little curious. It's not like people are up in arms about Holy God this is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to the X-Men bring me Mike Carey's head on a stick!!!!!!

Or anything.

-D

[DDM]

I am not surprised by Mystique's betrayal to seemingly kill her own foster daughter, Rogue with Scalphunter's gun, but, always with Raven Darkholme, there's more than meets the eye. Lady Mastermind's betrayal is not unexpected either. I hope Malice returns to her original psychic state of being since her electronic capacity has limitations, although I am not shocked to see Omega Sentinel taken over by Malice...

Basically, with Lady Mastermind, Mystique, & Malice, the Marauders ambushed the X-Men. As with The Mutant Massacre, the X-Men are completely caught off-guard; however, the X-Men really don't suffer the causalities as they did before.

Still, what's the Marauders prupose besides kill the X-Men? Why would Mystique work for Sinister?

I did notice Scrambler is present in the book, but he did not get any time by himself.

9/10

[brundlefly]

Running late to the "OMG X-MEN #200 WAS SO AWESOME" fest so I'll stay brief, since I'm just echoing a lot of what's been posted already. I've been looking forward to the return of Sinister and the Marauders for a long time and loved seeing them back to being an A-level threat instead of just jobbing to X-Man or whatever. I thought their early "hits" in this issue were a nice homage to their introduction back in UXM #210, with the Marauders slowly picking off individual targets before finally going head-to-head against the X-Men. The backup was great, too, since I'm a huge supervillain fanboy so McCoy's Mad Scientist Conference Call was quite an entertaining finish to this issue for me. Loved the additions to the Marauders (Gambit, Sunfire, Mystique, Regan, Karima); I'm just concerned that it will turn into a mass-mutiny, with all of those characters turning on Sinister or having just been "double-agents" all along. Frankly I'd prefer that Sunfire and Gambit stay Marauders, since I loved their team-up against Cable here and over in Cable/Deadpool. I thought Gambit was great as the cocky villain (and thankfully having ditched the "Blood of Apocalypse" makeover). And I haven't associated the words "Gambit" and "great" in years. Sunfire showing up in his AOA look and smacking Cable around was a big markout moment, too.

So much for staying brief. Again, loved this issue more than any X-book I've picked up in a really long time and am totally enthused about this storyarc. Two thumbs way up to Carey/Bachalo/Ramos for this.

[Pro]

In regards to Mystique betraying the X-Men/potentially really actually betraying The Marauders...has there been any chance for Mystique to have made a deal with Sinister since Rogue became infected?

I think it's more that Mystique has known about this prophesy mentioned:
"One minute before dawn". To get done what needs to be done Rogue needs to be shot .. hrm .. somehow i doubt it will permanently kill her but it might somehow change her, in some way that is part of a grander scheme?

Anyway i liked this issue and can't wait to see how ES will continue. Overall i was pretty disappointed with post-Decimation stories (x-factor excepted) but this got my attention again.

The back story with Beast was creepy. "Hello Hitler, Stalin, dr.Mengele, i have this problem .."

[Faded]

Can someone who frequents Mike's message board ask about the blonde on the Ramos cover? Maybe not looking for "IS IT EMMA?" but rather "Can we decipher who it is after reading issue 200?". I really don't want to believe its Malice, that's a dumb red herring.

I asked like two days ago, but I don't think he's answered any questions since then.

I know right! I can't believe Ramos got to draw the Rogue scenes. Can you imagine the awesomeness if Bachalo had drawn the Rogue & Sam scene?

I know! It was kinda true this time though. I was much more impressed with Ramos in this issue- he's perfect for this arc.

I was actually impressed with Ramos as well. I love his Marauders (that includes the recent additions) and I like his Iceman more than Bachalo's. His Rogue ain't too shabby (look at us, Jen!), but his version doesn't touch CB's.

Is anyone else finding ES a tad SNOOZEWORTHY?

Yes. Its well written and I want to see where its going, but its not anything to get worked up over.

[Canemacar]

Still, what's the Marauders prupose besides kill the X-Men?

Probably the same reason they're killing temporal characters: to prevent interruptions and meddling.

Why would Mystique work for Sinister?

To save mutant-kind. What else?

[samil87]

I missed the memo that said an X-man was going to die in this issue. I was under the impression that both Cable and Rogue were still alive. Gambit's not that fast- how much slower would Nathan be trying to outrun that blast? Couldn't Professor put up a force shield for him maybe?

Wasn't it one of Carey's 12 spoilers for this issue? I'm not sure I could be wrong.
Nathan probably could outrun the blasts normally, if he were physically able and not too injured I'm guessing he probably would have gotten up off the floor and put up some kind of fight. It actually looks like he's unconscious in the last panel we see him and I don't think he'd get a forcefield unlesds he asked for one so it isn't looking too good for him.
Then again Rogue's been shot in the chest so things ain't looking too good for her either, I just highly doubt he'd properly kill off two major characters in one issue and of the two, Cable is the one I'm most certain of being dead.

edit: also he's related to Scott Summers, so yup I think he's a goner ;)

[Elias Bogan]

Didn't Milligan establish that Raven had some kind of physic implant that prevented anyone from reading her mind?

So really it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that she has been working for Sinny for a while now.

[SnakeEater]

two questions.
It just hit me that Mystique has the darn skull on her head. I forgot she had that because the movie version didnt have it but what the hell is the purpose of that skull?
Also does anyone have a scan or higher resolution pic of Emma from the very end of the book. This is the pic im referring to
http://www.motoko.it/images/morpheus/emma_frost.jpg The one by Mark brookes.
Im asking because i have a Toshiba Gigabeat and if i want it to fit well as a wallpaper it has to be a higher res otherwise it will look small and crappy

[TwitchdoctorP]

Hey all, I'm new to these boards, but I had a thought I wanted to share.

I dunno about you guys, but I have a feeling that this latest betrayal by lil' ol' Mysty was her way of actually keeping Rogue alive. Kind of like "Hey, Don't YOU shoot her (and actually kill her)...Let ME shoot her (and hence, keep her out of the loop in critical condition for a while)."

Although, I'd have to say that killing off Rogue (or even putting her in the hospital for a while) would be kind of a let down after she supposedly absorbed 8 billion minds ... I was hoping they'd turn her insane and she could be a villain for a while, kind of like the brain-washed Wolverine from a while back.

Any thoughts?

[Slant]

I dunno about you guys, but I have a feeling that this latest betrayal by lil' ol' Mysty was her way of actually keeping Rogue alive. Kind of like "Hey, Don't YOU shoot her (and actually kill her)...Let ME shoot her (and hence, keep her out of the loop in critical condition for a while)."


I guess so, but if you think about it, she's still on the ground with a bullet in her chest in the middle of the battlefield. The Marauders are nasty fellas, they could still get a shot in, unless she's carried off the battlefield immediately. Its a big risk.

[TwitchdoctorP]

I guess so, but if you think about it, she's still on the ground with a bullet in her chest in the middle of the battlefield. The Marauders are nasty fellas, they could still get a shot in, unless she's carried off the battlefield immediately. Its a big risk.

Very true. But I've seen Marvel pull some crazy stuff in these X-books...I don't put anything past them!

[Omega Alpha]

Another interview by Mike Carey. (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800732p1.html)



This part made me curious:

IGN Comics: Can you comment on some of the major players in Messiah? We know the following play an important role: Sinister, Mystique, Xavier, Gambit and Madrox (to name a few). Can you offer clues as to who this Messiah might be?

Carey: Yeah, those are certainly some of the big players - although arguably they leave out the two biggest. Mystique is worth watching closely, especially in view of the events of #200. Readers are going to be left with some big questions in their minds with regard to her state of mind and her agenda.

Who is the Messiah? Doesn't that beg the question of whether or not there is a Messiah? All we know, or maybe all we can infer, is that somebody sees himself or herself in that role. Somebody has that kind of an agenda. I wouldn't for a million dollars say anything that would close down the possible associations you might have to that phrase.

Well, maybe for a million dollars I would. But not for twenty.



If the two big players won't be any of those, seems to me they will be Cyclops and Beast. Which would confirm my idea Hank won't be with the AXM team after the crossover. And it would have of course a very Xavier/Magneto feel.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

thanks for the link OA loved the preview pages, whos that in the middle tho?

[blinkinrogue]

i heard both xmen #200 and the endangered species one shot got sold out, CONGRATS MIKE!!

anyway, just wondering, no way should wolvie lend his powers to rogue. cant they just use angel's blood or something or does he still have that power? anyway, not only has wolvie have to contend with rogue's lethal touch, but if she absorbs his healing powers, shouldnt he die of adamantium poisoning?

speaking of adamantium poisoning, was it explained how wolvie survived after rogue absorbed his powers several years back?

[Mikl C]

Jeez most of the pages are online but the ones that arent:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/scan0038.jpg

VOD! WHAT A BABE

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/scan0039.jpg

She totally should've said O SNAP!
lol

[Hi-Fi]

Pentangle formation!!

[Mikl C]

Ok!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/scan0040-1.jpg

[The Lucky One]

speaking of adamantium poisoning, was it explained how wolvie survived after rogue absorbed his powers several years back?

Adamantium poisoning kills you over a matter of weeks, not instantly. Wolverine has survived being depowered before -- in Genosha, after the High Evolutionary's wave, when Rogue has borrowed his powers, and once when Lady Deathstrike and the Reavers messed him up so bad that his healing factor essentially stopped working for a while.

-D

[ProfeZZor X]

I was actually impressed with Ramos as well. I love his Marauders (that includes the recent additions) and I like his Iceman more than Bachalo's. His Rogue ain't too shabby (look at us, Jen!), but his version doesn't touch CB's.

Although there isn't much choice, I'd also have to go with Ramos' Iceman. His Bobby is also kind of cool-looking too. Especially in this last issue. In the preview page from #201, when he's fighting Mystique, he looks a little dark sided. :D ...I hope that part of his personality comes out more as this arc progresses.

[cable guy]

Late to joining this thread. just read it. wow, wow, wow.

Well, I had to leave the X-boards for a couple of days, because I couldn't read it til today. I wanted no spoilers, and it was hard enough to wait anyhow.

OMG!!!! A++. Carey is a X legend in the making. X-Men #200 is a classic. It was so hard to wait a month for it to come out. I was drooling when I read the solicit and interview. I was drooling when I read it. Talk about living up to the hype amnd then some.

I don't know the overall opinion of the art; but I loved it. Absolutely incredible. Ramos was a perfect compliment to Bachalo.

[Faded]

Pentangle formation!!

LMAO! Does Carey know what kind of foul phenomenon he's unleashed?!?!

What does it even mean?!?!

Although there isn't much choice, I'd also have to go with Ramos' Iceman. His Bobby is also kind of cool-looking too. Especially in this last issue. In the preview page from #201, when he's fighting Mystique, he looks a little dark sided. :D ...I hope that part of his personality comes out more as this arc progresses.

Totally! I love the spike hair--he overall just looks more fun under Ramos.

[Karl H]

LMAO! Does Carey know what kind of foul phenomenon he's unleashed?!?!

What does it even mean?!?!



Totally! I love the spike hair--he overall just looks more fun under Ramos.

It's like the Go-Team's Huddle formation but all mystical and stuff.

I was underwealmed by the main issue but loved the ES backup feature. Is that odd?

[Flight]

Late to joining this thread. just read it. wow, wow, wow.

Well, I had to leave the X-boards for a couple of days, because I couldn't read it til today. I wanted no spoilers, and it was hard enough to wait anyhow.

OMG!!!! A++. Carey is a X legend in the making. X-Men #200 is a classic. It was so hard to wait a month for it to come out. I was drooling when I read the solicit and interview. I was drooling when I read it. Talk about living up to the hype amnd then some.

I don't know the overall opinion of the art; but I loved it. Absolutely incredible. Ramos was a perfect compliment to Bachalo. Excellent post!! EXCELLENT!!!
We LOVE you Cable guy!!!

[Red Lotus]

[URL="http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800732p1.html"]
If the two big players won't be any of those, seems to me they will be Cyclops and Beast. Which would confirm my idea Hank won't be with the AXM team after the crossover. And it would have of course a very Xavier/Magneto feel.


They said that Cyclops will be a big player so I'm not sure if he is one the two they left out. I agree with the Hank thing. I pretty much think once this is over he wont be an X-men.

[cable guy]

Excellent post!! EXCELLENT!!!
We LOVE you Cable guy!!!

Thankyou!

Thankyou very much.

[Beast]

They said that Cyclops will be a big player so I'm not sure if he is one the two they left out. I agree with the Hank thing. I pretty much think once this is over he wont be an X-men.
Oh, I think he'll still be an X-Man. Just that the teams will actually be distinct and seperate now. I have a feeling that when all is said and done, one group will be out of the mansion and seperated from the main. Much like the X-Treme X-Men group was. I have a feeling that will be Carey's book of more grey characters, including Beast.

[rwsmith]

They said that Cyclops will be a big player so I'm not sure if he is one of the two they left out. I agree with the Hank thing. I pretty much think once this is over he wont be an X-men.

I don't think Cyke is one of the two they left out. Yes, he will be stepping up to lead in a big way,but I don't think Cyclops is the other "big player" they were talking about. A guy who posts regularly over at Mark Millar's website and who usually has pretty accurate information says that Cable is not dead, and that he will return during Messiah Complex and be a major component to that event. Which is pretty much what I assumed would happen anyway. Probably leading into a new X-Force book after the crossover.

[Slung]

I don't think Cyke is one of the two they left out. Yes, he will be stepping up to lead in a big way,but I don't think Cyclops is the other "big player" they were talking about. A guy who posts regularly over at Mark Millar's website and who usually has pretty accurate information says that Cable is not dead, and that he will return during Messiah Complex and be a major component to that event. Which is pretty much what I assumed would happen anyway. Probably leading into a new X-Force book after the crossover.

We can hope not, though, right?

[cable guy]

I don't think Cyke is one of the two they left out. Yes, he will be stepping up to lead in a big way,but I don't think Cyclops is the other "big player" they were talking about. A guy who posts regularly over at Mark Millar's website and who usually has pretty accurate information says that Cable is not dead, and that he will return during Messiah Complex and be a major component to that event. Which is pretty much what I assumed would happen anyway. Probably leading into a new X-Force book after the crossover.

That makes more sense about Cable.

I thought he was 'playing a big part' in Endangered Species.

I TRY not to read many solicits, interviews or spoilers.

[cable guy]

We can hope not, though, right?

No. You have to hope for that.:D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Jean Grey is the Messiah

[Slung]

Jean Grey is the Messiah
Quoted for truth.

As for Cable - I'm fine with him being alive, I'm just not okay with him starting a new X-Force.

In Scarlet Witch voice: "No. More. X-Books."

[rwsmith]

We can hope not, though, right?

Well, it's always possible that he returns as the baby he was when he left this timeline, and thus is the mutant messiah. So just because he returns and plays a very integral role to the crossover doesn't mean that he'll be the silver-haired old cyborg version that he was when he (apparently) left. The poster did say that "Nathan" would play an integral role in the crossover, and thus it's not necessarily "Cable" who comes back. Just a thought.

Having said that, Cable used to be one of the more popular X-men characters (he actually had the second longest running solo title of any of them), and so I seriously doubt Marvel would just off him and bring him back as a baby. Even if he does return as a baby (which probably isn't what happens anyway), I'd expect him to be re-aged into the older version by crossover's end (perhaps just without his techno-organic parts?).

At any rate, I'm not sure how much stock to put into this guy's reliable info, but he's posted some spoilers for big events before that panned out.

[Flight]

Cable Guy is the Messiah!!!
But he doesn't have a complex!!!!

[rwsmith]

In Scarlet Witch voice: "No. More. X-Books."

Well, I'd imagine that one or two of the existing books would get cancelled to make room for it. Probably C/D and NEX if we're going by sales. Possibly Exiles too.

[Affinity]

Oh, I think he'll still be an X-Man. Just that the teams will actually be distinct and seperate now. I have a feeling that when all is said and done, one group will be out of the mansion and seperated from the main. Much like the X-Treme X-Men group was. I have a feeling that will be Carey's book of more grey characters, including Beast.

Carey's gonna need some new players though, with only Sam/Rogue/Bobby on the team as of this issue. That's cool! I can't wait to fall in love with more characters lol.

...I, uh, like Cable now. :3

[cable guy]

As for Cable - I'm fine with him being alive, I'm just not okay with him starting a new X-Force.

In Scarlet Witch voice: "No. More. X-Books."

In all honesty, I'm not crazy about another X-Force.

And as you say, not another X-Book. I only get 2 now. I would be forced to buy it though, being a Cable fan. Assuming he's in it.

[cable guy]

Cable Guy is the Messiah!!!
But he doesn't have a complex!!!!

LOL. That's right.

I'm complex.

But I don't have a complex.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

maybe complex isn't a reference to a mental state, but rather there being a Messiah and the issue is complex/confusing

btw about the woman in white:

Emma being a traitor… if she is, I’m not in on that secret.

[rwsmith]

I think we all knew that she wasn't, ICEF. Seems to me there were a few posters who were pretending to genuinely think that it was her just to tick you off. But everyone knows that if something major is going to happen to Emma that it will be in Whedon's book, so I think you can relax...for now.

[Flight]

LOL. That's right.

I'm complex.

But I don't have a complex. Oh, tehheehhee, you are a TEASE tootzie!

As for Emma Frost, well she pretty much skanked out in #200.
If you were a female cyborg with giant breasts and a PLASMA GUN, which X-Men would you take out first?!

[cable guy]

If you were a female cyborg with giant breasts and a PLASMA GUN, which X-Men would you take out first?!

Emma Frost:D

[Flight]

Emma Frost:D Well, of course!!

[Omega Alpha]

They said that Cyclops will be a big player so I'm not sure if he is one the two they left out. I agree with the Hank thing. I pretty much think once this is over he wont be an X-men.

I'll repeat the question:


IGN Comics: Can you comment on some of the major players in Messiah? We know the following play an important role: Sinister, Mystique, Xavier, Gambit and Madrox (to name a few). Can you offer clues as to who this Messiah might be?

Carey: Yeah, those are certainly some of the big players - although arguably they leave out the two biggest. Mystique is worth watching closely, especially in view of the events of #200. Readers are going to be left with some big questions in their minds with regard to her state of mind and her agenda.

Who is the Messiah? Doesn't that beg the question of whether or not there is a Messiah? All we know, or maybe all we can infer, is that somebody sees himself or herself in that role. Somebody has that kind of an agenda. I wouldn't for a million dollars say anything that would close down the possible associations you might have to that phrase.

Well, maybe for a million dollars I would. But not for twenty.



So, the two most important characters weren't mentioned by the person who asked. If Cyke was already confirmed to play one of the main roles and be the star of the crossover, and the other one is not one of them, i assume it's Beast because of his role in ES.

And i think Beast will be on the X-men. Just not on the mansion anymore.

[Harding Prime]

Jean Grey is the Messiah

Double-Quoted for truth!!!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I'll repeat the question:



So, the two most important characters weren't mentioned by the person who asked. If Cyke was already confirmed to play one of the main roles and be the star of the crossover, and the other one is not one of them, i assume it's Beast because of his role in ES.

And i think Beast will be on the X-men. Just not on the mansion anymore.

But don't forget that Carey went out of his way to make sure we knew that Messiah or the leading character(s) could be a male or female and he paid special attention to Mystique.

I think Raven and someone else will think that they're the messiah for mutants, but I'd really like it to be Jean and have her come back in FF.


I think we all knew that she wasn't, ICEF. Seems to me there were a few posters who were pretending to genuinely think that it was her just to tick you off. But everyone knows that if something major is going to happen to Emma that it will be in Whedon's book, so I think you can relax...for now.

Which is extremely sad that someone would fake their own opinions to get a rise out of someone they've never met:rolleyes:

[pc999]

Just read it, personaly I expected more but overall I liked and I loved the return of Gambit.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I was expecting more pages for $4...are we paying $4 for that BS Endangered species backup? b/c I thought they said they WERENT jacking up the price

b/c I can see them saying "well we've been selling them at $4 a pop for 17 issues/chapters we might as well keep it that price"

[Slung]

I was expecting more pages for $4...are we paying $4 for that BS Endangered species backup? b/c I thought they said they WERENT jacking up the price

b/c I can see them saying "well we've been selling them at $4 a pop for 17 issues/chapters we might as well keep it that price"

I was charged $8 for the frickin' Finch cover at my shop. I almost put it back and picked up the Bachalo one...but I just couldn't do it.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Are you serious? screw that....if you want the image copy/paste it from online

im telling you more people bought the finch cover than the bachalo and the ramos cover is going to become the "collectors item"

[Beast]

I was expecting more pages for $4...are we paying $4 for that BS Endangered species backup? b/c I thought they said they WERENT jacking up the price

b/c I can see them saying "well we've been selling them at $4 a pop for 17 issues/chapters we might as well keep it that price"
X-Men #200 was 36 pages of story. Where as a regular issue is 22 pages of story. So they weren't charging extra for the ES back-up story. It was for the fact the entire issue was double sized. As with the back-up story it was 44 full pages of story. The other chapters will be 8 pages of extra story in addition to the normal 22 pages of story for no extra charge.

[Beast]

I was charged $8 for the frickin' Finch cover at my shop. I almost put it back and picked up the Bachalo one...but I just couldn't do it.
You have a shady comic store then. The Finch cover was a seperate order item. It should have been $3.99.

[Affinity]

Did you actually even bother to count the number of pages? X-Men #200 was 36 pages of story. Where as a regular issue is 22 pages of story. So they weren't charging extra for the ES back-up story. It was for the fact the entire issue was double sized. As with the back-up story it was 44 full pages of story. The other chapters will be 8 pages of extra story in addition to the normal 22 pages of story for no extra charge.

Also, They might have had to pay Finch more than usual for the cover, right? Plus the inker and colorist, since this was a big order I'd imagine.

I was charged $8 for the frickin' Finch cover at my shop. I almost put it back and picked up the Bachalo one...but I just couldn't do it.
You have a shady comic store then. The Finch cover was a seperate order item. It should have been $3.99.

YEAH, seriously shady. It's the normal cover for the issue, not a variant.

I hate to see comic book shops screw fans over, because in the end of the day we're paying your bills, you know?

[Mikl C]

Mine was £2.85. But that was RRRRRRRamos.

[Beast]

Also, They might have had to pay Finch more than usual for the cover, right? Plus the inker and colorist, since this was a big order I'd imagine.
Aye. Plus even the construction of the cover probably added to the cost.

YEAH, seriously shady. It's the normal cover for the issue, not a variant.

I hate to see comic book shops screw fans over, because in the end of the day we're paying your bills, you know?
Exactly. A store could order as many as they wanted of the Finch cover. The only actual "variant" for X-Men #200 was the Bachalo and Ramos covers. They were a 50/50 variant that was available as a seperate order number from the Finch cover. So frankly, the Finch cover is probably the most common.

[Flight]

My copy cost £1, 000 000!!!!!!

[Harding Prime]

I was charged $8 for the frickin' Finch cover at my shop. I almost put it back and picked up the Bachalo one...but I just couldn't do it.

Because it had Jean! Jean is worth 8 bucks right? I still only paid for, but you know...:D

[Harding Prime]

YEAH, seriously shady. It's the normal cover for the issue, not a variant.

I hate to see comic book shops screw fans over, because in the end of the day we're paying your bills, you know?

But I am pretty sure that the Finch cover is the hardest one to purchase. The two others, normal and variant, were 50/50 splits. This splash cover is the special cover of the three.

[Beast]

But I am pretty sure that the Finch cover is the hardest one to purchase. The two others, normal and variant, were 50/50 splits. This splash cover is the special cover of the three.
No it's not. It was available as a seperate order from the Bachalo/Ramos covers.

A comic store could order as many of the Finch cover as they wanted.

[DDM]

I was charged $8 for the frickin' Finch cover at my shop. I almost put it back and picked up the Bachalo one...but I just couldn't do it.

I got plenty of snake oil for you. In other words, your store pretty much ripped you off.

[Harding Prime]

No it's not. It was available as a seperate order from the Bachalo/Ramos covers.

A comic store could order as many of the Finch cover as they wanted.

And yet it sold out before all the other ones.:rolleyes:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

From Diamond's Shipping list:

APR072344 X-MEN 50/50 WRAPAROUND #200 $3.99
APR072343 X-MEN FINCH GATEFOLD VAR #200 $3.99

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_062707.txt

I'd print it out and take it to your shop and tell them you want $4 back they can't jack up a price of a book that just came out b/c they want to,...there are laws against that.

Or even go so far as to demand your entire $8 back

[Beast]

And yet it sold out before all the other ones.:rolleyes:
Because more people wanted that particular cover. Or stores under-ordered.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Was the exact same price at my shop and they had the exact same number of copies of each variant. There's no reason why they'd... bah.

You getting screwed would be the punchline here. Sorry.

[Beast]

From Diamond's Shipping list:

APR072344 X-MEN 50/50 WRAPAROUND #200 $3.99
APR072343 X-MEN FINCH GATEFOLD VAR #200 $3.99

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_062707.txt

I'd print it out and take it to your shop and tell them you want $4 back they can't jack up a price of a book that just came out b/c they want to,...there are laws against that.

Or even go so far as to demand your entire $8 back
Sadly there's not much that can be done now.

There's no real laws that can force a store to sell a comic at cover price. It's supply and demand.

Same thing happened with stores marking up copies of Captain America #25 when they ran low.

Much like how comic stores can sell actual variants for massive mark-ups.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It isn't unusual for a comic store to increase the price of a variant comic two or more months after the issue comes out...but NEVER the WEEK OF release

The market price according to the shipping/dist. list is $3.99 they charged someone $8 when the price on the bar code says $3.99,...unless they had it wrapped in mylar and boarded with a sticker saying "$8" that doesn't change the fact that it should be only $3.99.


They can go back and demand their money, I'm sure that particular store could also be reported to the Better Business Buearu or even Diamond comics for false advertising.

[Beast]

It isn't unusual for a comic store to increase the price of a variant comic two or more months after the issue comes out...but NEVER the WEEK OF release

The market price according to the shipping/dist. list is $3.99 they charged someone $8 when the price on the bar code says $3.99,...unless they had it wrapped in mylar and boarded with a sticker saying "$8" that doesn't change the fact that it should be only $3.99.

They can go back and demand their money
Actually most stores sell the actual variants for large mark-ups on the release date.

Midtown Comics for example, charges $10.00 for every 10 copies required to get the variant. So the 1 in 40 variant copies goes for $40.00 and so on and so on. It doesn't matter what the bar code says. For hot or variant books, they will jack the price up. It's just in this case, it wasn't warrented.

BTW, Most comic stores much like book stores have a no-return policy.

[DDM]

It isn't unusual for a comic store to increase the price of a variant comic two or more months after the issue comes out...but NEVER the WEEK OF release

The market price according to the shipping/dist. list is $3.99 they charged someone $8 when the price on the bar code says $3.99,...unless they had it wrapped in mylar and boarded with a sticker saying "$8" that doesn't change the fact that it should be only $3.99.


They can go back and demand their money, I'm sure that particular store could also be reported to the Better Business Buearu or even Diamond comics for false advertising.

Slung just needs to find another comic book shop to do business. His comic shop had no business marking up the varient on the day it came out to double the price!

Furthermore, he needs more than one incident to report to BBB. He needs to show them that they have a pattern of abuse; otherwise, they won't take it for this one incident.

[Beast]

Slung just needs to find another comic book shop to do business. His comic shop had no business marking up the varient on the day it came out to double the price!

Furthermore, he needs more than one incident to report to BBB. He needs to show them that they have a pattern of abuse; otherwise, they won't take it for this one incident.
Most assuredly. I'm betting that Slung's problem is that there's only one comic shop in the area. So they can basically do whatever the hell they want without risk of losing too many customers. I've seen it enough times. Most shops like that don't even offer a discount for those who run a pull list.

[Mikl C]

Slung's PROBLEM is that he is wearing too damn many clothes!
*TEHEHEHEHEH*
lmao.

[Beast]

Slung's PROBLEM is that he is wearing too damn many clothes!
*TEHEHEHEHEH*
lmao.
Stripping or flirting for a better discount is advisable in more problematic cases. ;)

[Slung]

Slung's PROBLEM is that he is wearing too damn many clothes!
*TEHEHEHEHEH*
lmao.

Wow. So much love and support. It is the only comic store in the area. I mean, I could travel 45 minutes for another, but that would be silly. And I'd take off my clothes but I don't think it would do me ANY good. Now, if Mikl ran the comic store...

The guys who run the store are really cool people, I don't think they'd purposely screwed me.

[Beast]

Wow. So much love and support. It is the only comic store in the area. I mean, I could travel 45 minutes for another, but that would be silly. And I'd take off my clothes but I don't think it would do me ANY good. Now, if Mikl ran the comic store...

The guys who run the store are really cool people, I don't think they'd purposely screwed me.
I figured it was a case of being the only store in the area.

Maybe you might want to say something. Maybe they mischarged you?

[Slung]

I figured it was a case of being the only store in the area.

Maybe you might want to say something. Maybe they mischarged you?

No, I even asked about it. He said it was limited printing (obviously wrong). So, I believed him. I'm a "mark". :(

[Beast]

No, I even asked about it. He said it was limited printing (obviously wrong). So, I believed him. I'm a "mark". :(
Sorry Slung. :(

[The Lucky One]

Comic store employees are an unwashed, cowardly lot. Threaten him with a can of deoderant and mention that you've decided to start mail-ordering your comics.

-D

[Slung]

Thanks Beast!

Comic store employees are an unwashed, cowardly lot. Threaten him with a can of deoderant and mention that you've decided to start mail-ordering your comics.

-D
For a Rachel fan - you're awesome!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Comic store employees are an unwashed, cowardly lot. Threaten him with a can of deoderant and mention that you've decided to start mail-ordering your comics.

-D

Oh thank god it isn't just my comic stores.

We have 4 in our area the one that's closest to my house there are these two really disgusting men that also sell porn and the place smells like rotting paper. There's a nicer one but they have a v. minimal selection.

So the one i go to has a large selection but this terrible little troll of a man that attempts conversation. I keep my sunglasses on and just say 'thank you':cool:

[Harding Prime]

From Diamond's Shipping list:

APR072344 X-MEN 50/50 WRAPAROUND #200 $3.99
APR072343 X-MEN FINCH GATEFOLD VAR #200 $3.99

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_062707.txt

I'd print it out and take it to your shop and tell them you want $4 back they can't jack up a price of a book that just came out b/c they want to,...there are laws against that.

Or even go so far as to demand your entire $8 back

Beast, did you miss the part where it says its a Gatefold VARIANT!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Beast, did you miss the part where it says its a Gatefold VARIANT!

Beast?

btw my Ramos has "variant" printed on it in the upper left hand corner

[Beast]

Beast, did you miss the part where it says its a Gatefold VARIANT!
It's a variant in name only. Stores were allowed to order as many of the Finch version as they wanted. It was a seperate item number with no limit on order quanities. It's produced in mass, equal to however many was ordered with a small overage for damages. Just like every other comic. There was no requirements to order X number of copies to recieve one, like is true of the majority of actual varients.

[Harding Prime]

It's a variant in name only. Stores were allowed to order as many of the Finch version as they wanted. It was a seperate item number with no limit on order quanities. It's produced in mass, equal to however many was ordered with a small overage for damages. Just like every other comic. There was no requirements to order X number of copies to recieve one, like is true of the majority of actual varients.

But all I ever said was that it was a variant and not the regular cover. All three of them are not variants in the way of i.e. - 1:15, never said they were. It's like the Jim Lee Gatefold Cover of X-Men #1. But I promise it will be worth more then the other two covers.

[Beast]

But all I ever said was that it was a variant and not the regular cover. All three of them are not variants in the way of i.e. - 1:15, never said they were. It's like the Jim Lee Gatefold Cover of X-Men #1. But I promise it will be worth more then the other two covers.
Honestly, noone can make that promise. Considering it was available as a seprate order number, more Finch covers were likely ordered than the others. Especially by people planning to horde mass numbers of the issue hoping that it will actually be worth something. In fact, the 50/50 split could end up being more valuable... simply due to the large orders for the Finch cover over the standard issue.

[Harding Prime]

Honestly, noone can make that promise. Considering it was available as a seprate order number, more Finch covers were likely ordered than the others. Especially by people planning to horde mass numbers of the issue hoping that it will actually be worth something. In fact, the 50/50 split could end up being more valuable... simply due to the large orders for the Finch cover over the standard issue.

I'm just basing it on looking at the racks and 2 different comic book stores and seeing no Finch covers left and plenty of the 50/50 covers.

I don't know what is wrong with someone sticking by there point and being right about it. I'm not even arguing with you guys, just speaking my own opinion.

[Faded]

I bought the Finch cover because I thought it would be more rarer if I ever wanted to eBay it in a couple years. Plus, I could hi-res scan it and photoshop Rogue's face to make her pretty.

I wish I got Ramos or even Bachalo's version though. They're more fun.

[Dagger]

They didn't have the Finch cover available at my lcs, but I was weak and bought both the Ramos and Bachy cover:)

[samil87]

btw my Ramos has "variant" printed on it in the upper left hand corner

Mine too, the Bachallo one was the same if I remember correctly.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

What i didn't like about the Finch cover is that the actual cover was shortened on both sides and then "front" didnt have anyone that was on the actual Xmen adj.less team...I know its a representation of the Xmen enmass, but you'd figure Finch would've put Rogue, Cannonball, Iceman etc. on the part that shows.

[Affinity]

I don't think its shortened on Magneto and Xorn's side, but I was really pissed that it cut off Regan (and Husk but who cares about Paige lol) on Mystique's side.

Cable is on the main cover! Which he at least deserves.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

He does...but still he was a "guest star" in the book

did we really need to see jean's carcass on the front?

[Harding Prime]

He does...but still he was a "guest star" in the book

did we really need to see jean's carcass on the front?

The Pheonix has no carcas, just the essence of life, and that is the main reason I bought. Probably was for a lot of people.;)

[Beast]

Yeah, having Scott and Jean together where they belong was great.

[Faded]

They didn't have the Finch cover available at my lcs, but I was weak and bought both the Ramos and Bachy cover:)

I would've too, but I was po'. ;)

What i didn't like about the Finch cover is that the actual cover was shortened on both sides and then "front" didnt have anyone that was on the actual Xmen adj.less team...I know its a representation of the Xmen enmass, but you'd figure Finch would've put Rogue, Cannonball, Iceman etc. on the part that shows.

I don't think its shortened on Magneto and Xorn's side, but I was really pissed that it cut off Regan (and Husk but who cares about Paige lol) on Mystique's side.

Cable is on the main cover! Which he at least deserves.

I agree completely! I don't care about Paige either, but Finch actually drew her well! And I actually liked his Regan as well.

Cable did deserve the cover, but Rogue totally could've fitted in front of Cable but behind Wolverine and Icey and Cballz could've been in the background somewhere, slidin' and blastin' like they always do.

[Omega Alpha]

But don't forget that Carey went out of his way to make sure we knew that Messiah or the leading character(s) could be a male or female and he paid special attention to Mystique.

I think Raven and someone else will think that they're the messiah for mutants, but I'd really like it to be Jean and have her come back in FF.


Mystique will be Sinister's second in command, that's already confirmed. And she was already mentioned in the question.

[david r]

Through a contact, I have learned Mike Carey's future plans for X-Men.

First, the Marauders will actually stand revealed as the Hellfire Club, turned into the Marauders by Mr. Sinister to be his clones in destroying the X-Men. However, it is not really Sinister, but Apocalypse, who is pulling the strings. Apocalypse made the Marauders by resurrecting the Reavers and replacing them with Alpha Flight clones to be used as the First Forsaken and the Bi-Sexual Opposites of the Phoenix Force.

This battle with then lead to the wedding of Gambit and Rogue. However, Sabretooth will leap out at the altar and slash Gambit into a bloody mess, declaring his true love for the cajun and heartfelt despair at the union. Rogue will then join Magneto's Acolytes in a stunning betrayal of Charles Xavier and his Dream. Rogue will then flee into outer space and be pursued by a ragtag team of X-Men, lead by Havok, who will betray the team in a stunning betryal and join the Sh'iar in their quest to find the FOURTH and FIFTH Summers Brother.

Havok and the X-Men's quest for the SIXTH and SEVENTH Summers Brother will send them to the Morlock tunnels where they will encounter the unholy union of the Shadow King and Juggernaut. The Shadow King will be revealed as the EIGTH Summers Brother, who was sent into the Hellfire Club to spy on them for Charles Xavier. Mike Carey then shall reveal that Charles Xavier is actually the NINTH Summers Brother. And Magneto is the TENTH Summers Brother. Thus, all X-Men will hold hands and storm on the British Embassy, declaring their love for humanity.

[Syzygy]

Through a contact, I have learned Mike Carey's future plans for X-Men.

First, the Marauders will actually stand revealed as the Hellfire Club, turned into the Marauders by Mr. Sinister to be his clones in destroying the X-Men. However, it is not really Sinister, but Apocalypse, who is pulling the strings. Apocalypse made the Marauders by resurrecting the Reavers and replacing them with Alpha Flight clones to be used as the First Forsaken and the Bi-Sexual Opposites of the Phoenix Force.

This battle with then lead to the wedding of Gambit and Rogue. However, Sabretooth will leap out at the altar and slash Gambit into a bloody mess, declaring his true love for the cajun and heartfelt despair at the union. Rogue will then join Magneto's Acolytes in a stunning betrayal of Charles Xavier and his Dream. Rogue will then flee into outer space and be pursued by a ragtag team of X-Men, lead by Havok, who will betray the team in a stunning betryal and join the Sh'iar in their quest to find the FOURTH and FIFTH Summers Brother.

Havok and the X-Men's quest for the SIXTH and SEVENTH Summers Brother will send them to the Morlock tunnels where they will encounter the unholy union of the Shadow King and Juggernaut. The Shadow King will be revealed as the EIGTH Summers Brother, who was sent into the Hellfire Club to spy on them for Charles Xavier. Mike Carey then shall reveal that Charles Xavier is actually the NINTH Summers Brother. And Magneto is the TENTH Summers Brother. Thus, all X-Men will hold hands and storm on the British Embassy, declaring their love for humanity.

What, no Sage? Can't she, you know, be a Summers sister?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I would've too, but I was po'. ;)





I agree completely! I don't care about Paige either, but Finch actually drew her well! And I actually liked his Regan as well.

Cable did deserve the cover, but Rogue totally could've fitted in front of Cable but behind Wolverine and Icey and Cballz could've been in the background somewhere, slidin' and blastin' like they always do.

It would've been better if Finch grouped them into teams like the bonus artist near the end of the issue.

I mean honestly we have jean AND The phoenix burning in the background...talk about over kill

[Slung]

He does...but still he was a "guest star" in the book

did we really need to see jean's carcass on the front?
Et tu, Brute?

[samil87]

What, no Sage? Can't she, you know, be a Summers sister?

I could buy 'her' as a Summers brother to be perfectly honest, she has a very masculine energy :D

[david r]

Mike Carey plans to reveal Sage as a Summers sister, in a shocking betrayal of Charles Xavier's Dream. On the wedding day for Sage and Bishop, Carey will reveal the scandalous truth that Bishop is the illegitimate child of Charles Xavier and Storm------from the future!!

Sent from the future to stop Sage----Sage who is actually the Goblin Queen. Sage will stand revealed as the Master Assassin for the Manos. Under the evil clutches of the Manos, Sage is the bizarre byproduct of Cerebro and an IBM Master-computer. At this point in the tale, the evil editors nix Mike Carey's plans for X-Men, sending poster DDM into an enraged tail-spin of debauchery and drunkenness. Film at 11.

[rwsmith]

You stole that idea from Claremont, didn't you?;)

[Volk1]

Mike Carey plans to reveal Sage as a Summers sister, in a shocking betrayal of Charles Xavier's Dream. On the wedding day for Sage and Bishop, Carey will reveal the scandalous truth that Bishop is the illegitimate child of Charles Xavier and Storm------from the future!!

Sent from the future to stop Sage----Sage who is actually the Goblin Queen. Sage will stand revealed as the Master Assassin for the Manos. Under the evil clutches of the Manos, Sage is the bizarre byproduct of Cerebro and an IBM Master-computer. At this point in the tale, the evil editors nix Mike Carey's plans for X-Men, sending poster DDM into an enraged tail-spin of debauchery and drunkenness. Film at 11.

LO fkn L! ..........

[Red Lotus]

What, no Sage? Can't she, you know, be a Summers sister?

The funny thing is Marvel at one time did have plans to have a Summers sister.

[Mikl C]

Mike Carey plans to reveal Sage as a Summers sister, in a shocking betrayal of Charles Xavier's Dream. On the wedding day for Sage and Bishop, Carey will reveal the scandalous truth that Bishop is the illegitimate child of Charles Xavier and Storm------from the future!!

Sent from the future to stop Sage----Sage who is actually the Goblin Queen. Sage will stand revealed as the Master Assassin for the Manos. Under the evil clutches of the Manos, Sage is the bizarre byproduct of Cerebro and an IBM Master-computer. At this point in the tale, the evil editors nix Mike Carey's plans for X-Men, sending poster DDM into an enraged tail-spin of debauchery and drunkenness. Film at 11.

LMAO
BEST POST EVER!
for reals! Cerebro + IBM = sage LOL

[Tobias March]

The funny thing is Marvel at one time did have plans to have a Summers sister.

Nothing surprises me.

Though at one time I did idly think of an X-Men parody casting them all in friends. Chandler, easy - Bobby. Rachel was Jean Grey, again easy leading to Ross as Scott Summers. But then I was stuck on Monica....

A Summers sister would've sorted that right out.

#200 by the by, strange issue. I'm reading some negative reviews, but it did its job of setting up a cliffhanger.

Just with this enlarged Marauders team, does anyone think its purpose is mostly to be a corrective to the fallout from Milligan's Apocalypse run? Gambit's back to normal, Sunfire stays in his AoA persona (bizarrely) and all the other mutant villain c-listers get lumped into Sinister's group, because there is no other team still standing really.

The X-Office are basically trying to apply a massive band-aid to the X-Books after MDay a year or two afterwards. Course PAD's been working on this all along..

[jen]

I'm reading some negative reviews, but it did its job of setting up a cliffhanger.


That's really surprising considering Newsrama, X-Fan, CBR, Broken Frontier, SilverBullets, IGN and pretty much everywhere has been raving about the sold out issue. I wonder what the negative feedback was focused on, the art or the they way the issue is kinda a build up from previous arcs so you would have to have read #188 and up to really get the payoff.

[Tobias March]

That's really surprising considering Newsrama, X-Fan, CBR, Broken Frontier, SilverBullets, IGN and pretty much everywhere has been raving about the sold out issue. I wonder what the negative feedback was focused on, the art or the they way the issue is kinda a build up from previous arcs so you would have to have read #188 and up to really get the payoff.

This was popcultureshocks. The fellahs seemed a bit put out by it.

Also Paul O'Brien is being his usual dismissive self.

It's more a case that I think there's a lot of fatigue over the direction of the X-storylines in general and this plotline with the New Marauders is more digging a deeper hole than breaking any new ground narrative wise.

[jen]

Oh well sounds like more folks liked it than not. The major reviews are strong and the issue sold out so X-Men 200 seemed to successfully convey its story.

[Pyro]

I liked it. That's all that matters. LOL! :)

[Affinity]

I haven't seen any negative reviews!

[eggie]

Carey is 'da man if for no other reason than the fact that he fixed Gambit after Milligan broke him...Thank you Mike, I've never been so happy to see my favorite X-Men...and even though he's with the Maruaders he still seems like Remy and I kind of like the idea of him be a bad guy for awhile...he definitely needed something to change after Milligan gave him farting powers.

Great issue...great writing with two great artists...what more can an X-Fan ask for!! :D

Oh yeah, GAMBIT's BACK!!!

[CmX]

So it got a bad review (which I haven't seen anywhere) who cares Carey rocks and we know it!

[eggie]

So it got a bad review (which I haven't seen anywhere) who cares Carey rocks and we know it!

You said it!! I hope he never leaves the X-universe!!

[blinkinrogue]

Marvel is pleased to announce that X-Men #200 and X-Men: Endangered Species One-Shot have sold out at Diamond (though copies may be available at the retail level).

will there be a second printing of xmen 200 especially with the finch cover? i wanted to get that one but i only had the ramos and bachalo to choose from, so i took bachalo.

[Faded]

Marvel is pleased to announce that X-Men #200 and X-Men: Endangered Species One-Shot have sold out at Diamond (though copies may be available at the retail level).

will there be a second printing of xmen 200 especially with the finch cover? i wanted to get that one but i only had the ramos and bachalo to choose from, so i took bachalo.

I'd imagine since there was already three covers (and they probably took a long time), we'll probably get a sketch variant of Finch's or something. It'd be really cool to see someone else try something as large and ambitious as Finch's, though. COIPEL! BACHALO! SKOTTIE!

[CmX]

I'd imagine since there was already three covers (and they probably took a long time), we'll probably get a sketch variant of Finch's or something. It'd be really cool to see someone else try something as large and ambitious as Finch's, though. COIPEL! BACHALO! SKOTTIE!

Hell yeah!!! Bachalo would be so interesting! As it is his covers are so hard to see the whole picture at just one glance, imagine a four page cover? That'd be insane.. I'd love it.

Coipel would do an amazing cover his renditions of the X-Men are spot-on.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Hell yeah!!! Bachalo would be so interesting! As it is his covers are so hard to see the whole picture at just one glance, imagine a four page cover? That'd be insane.. I'd love it.

Coipel would do an amazing cover his renditions of the X-Men are spot-on.

*hugs CMx*


Did Bachalo 'hide' the 200 on his cover? I didnt get that one I got the Ramos

[The Lucky One]

I'd imagine since there was already three covers (and they probably took a long time), we'll probably get a sketch variant of Finch's or something. It'd be really cool to see someone else try something as large and ambitious as Finch's, though. COIPEL! BACHALO! SKOTTIE!

Art Adams. And only Art Adams.

It would take him roughly 80 jillion years, but it would be worth it.

-D

[SnakeEater]

the only bad reviews i heard were fans complaining about the art. i dont have a major problem with ramos...i could pick at most 3 little things that nag me but otherwise i think this is great. Carey got me to like xmen again.

[Peeps]

i didnt get to the local comic shop untill today, and WWH and 200 were both sold out when i went to a different one on thursday, so i just assumed i was SOL

the one i went to today only had the WWH. i caught the one guy singing as he was stocking the shelves and noticed there was no 200. so i just said flippantly so 200 is all sold out huh?

he said wed they were all gone, i was a little bummed but my life would still go on, i am at best a very casual collector now, and only pick up books that really catch my eye, and since i enjoyed the marauders the first two times around, i wanted to pick this one up.

the kid looks up and says hold on, and comes back with the finch cover. he says it was his personal pull, but he only got it cause it was 200, and not a huge fan of the xmen anyway.

talk about being nice, thanks diamond comics in cranberry pa

[1WEBHEAD]

All set up and not enough pay off.

Yet. . .

I really wish that Bachelo did the entire issue instead of tag teaming with
Ramos. He cramped his style IMO.

Cable getting his @$$ kicked by Gambit and Sunfire was pretty cool though.

As for the ES, I thought it was pretty good. Good art and a nice start of upcoming X-Event.

4/5

[1WEBHEAD]

I'm starting to think that Beast might become the new "Iron Man" of the X-Men/mutant community.

[mastaflan]

Once again one of my favorite titles gets screwed by other books and events...

First the Thunderbolts now this......

I really Enjoy Deadpool and Cable....But this whole X-men thing got in the way of all that. If Cable is Dead than F U Carey and everyone in Marvel who was involved in this pant load situation....I don't care how good this story is for the X-men cuzz to be honest I don't really care. I wish they would leave cable and deadpool out of the X-books. Cable should have kept away from these losers (X-men). I wonder if Fabian is pissed at all this nonsense.

[mastaflan]

Once again one of my favorite titles gets screwed by other books and events...

First the Thunderbolts now this......

I really Enjoy Deadpool and Cable....But this whole X-men thing got in the way of all that. If Cable is Dead than F U Carey and everyone in Marvel who was involved in this pant load situation....I don't care how good this story is for the X-men cuzz to be honest I don't really care. I wish they would leave cable and deadpool out of the X-books. Cable should have kept away from these losers (X-men). I wonder if Fabian is pissed at all this nonsense.

[mastaflan]

Once again one of my favorite titles gets screwed by other books and events...

First the Thunderbolts now this......

I really Enjoy Deadpool and Cable....But this whole X-men thing got in the way of all that. If Cable is Dead than F U Carey and everyone in Marvel who was involved in this pant load situation....I don't care how good this story is for the X-men cuzz to be honest I don't really care. I wish they would leave cable and deadpool out of the X-books. Cable should have kept away from these losers (X-men). I wonder if Fabian is pissed at all this nonsense.

[Alex A Sanchez]

That's really surprising considering Newsrama, X-Fan, CBR, Broken Frontier, SilverBullets, IGN and pretty much everywhere has been raving about the sold out issue. I wonder what the negative feedback was focused on, the art or the they way the issue is kinda a build up from previous arcs so you would have to have read #188 and up to really get the payoff.

I know that here on CBR, X-Men #200 did not make the Buy Pile.
Besides, most of us here don't care if every single reviewer on the Internet did not like this thing- we loved it and that's all we care about.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

This board had alot of whiners about the House of M but it change the fact that it sold well and carried the X-Men's direction for the next two years.

[Sparta]

I haven't read a bad review nor negative comments in the forums either. I mean, I'm sure there will be some negative comments on some boards, but it's been overall a very highly praised issue.

I just read the ish last night. It was the best milestone X-Men issue I've read in a long time! Especially after the X-Men #100 and Uncanny #400 disasters from the past. I wasn't a fan of Uncanny #300 either when it came out. So it's certainly been a while.

Speaking of things I haven't seen in a while was a well written Gambit. Carey did an amazing job! From seeing him charge up a card again to his trademark wily grin. It was a smart move to have him back and share a subplot with someone different like Cable rather than going the predictable route with Rogue which from what I understand will be saved up for next year. I'm sure it'll be handled well this time round. As usual Rogue, Lady M, Karima and everyone else have been superbly written.

I love the Bachalo/Ramos tag team. I'm more of a fan of lively art ...I've been seeing too much photographic-like art lately.

[Alex A Sanchez]

tag team. I'm more of a fan of lively art ...I've been seeing too much photographic-like art lately.

AMEN!!!

Bring me McFarlane's impossible anatomy or Larson's stiff muscles any day!

[steve2275]

i read the finch cover
the others r for show

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This board had alot of whiners about the House of M but it change the fact that it sold well and carried the X-Men's direction for the next two years.

Until it's quietly retconned out of existence...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm starting to think that Beast might become the new "Iron Man" of the X-Men/mutant community.

The original title of the crossover was: Civil War - But with Mutants this Time.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Until it's quietly retconned out of existence...

Not yet though. Wanda's actions are still the epicenter of the X-universe.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Thus the 'quietly' ;)

[blinkinrogue]

i cant wait for the top 300 comics list for june. I hope #200 sold more than 300k copies. :o

[Joey]

I got the Bachalo

I really liked the issue and am LOVING the art

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hopefully it'll at least top UXM...

[rZi]

Although i have no complaints what so ever about the writing (carey owns) im a little annoyed that bachalo didn't complete the whole book to himself..i mean he's considered a fan faviroute and his work on the supernovas arc was incredible. Now i had to put up with ugly humberto ramos art which looks like a cheap variation....other than that it was a great issue.

[jarrod]

Also Paul O'Brien is being his usual dismissive self.
Are we talking about XM200? He gave the issue and "A" and lauded Carey for writing a great X-Men book in their own spirit (rather than imposing his own stamp over things, a la Morrison).

[Faded]

Are we talking about XM200? He gave the issue and "A" and lauded Carey for writing a great X-Men book in their own spirit (rather than imposing his own stamp over things, a la Morrison).

Yeah, I just read that! He seemed more irritated about there being seven X-Books last week than anything else.

[Affinity]

HEY! I just realized Jean died fifty issues ago! That's like FOREVS.

[Beast]

HEY! I just realized Jean died fifty issues ago! That's like FOREVS.
Jean died? Why doesn't anyone tell me these things!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Come to think of it, how the hell did it add up to 50??

She died in early 2k4. Shouldn't we be around 195 tops?

Oh well.

[jen]

i cant wait for the top 300 comics list for june. I hope #200 sold more than 300k copies. :o

It's just way cool that folks bought it and now hopefully that will carry over into a continued boost. I would hate to lose Mike on the title. :) But, I can't see that they would have printed too many to start with considering the book sells at aroung 75,000/month. I think perhaps they ran maybe 150K? Still, it's very very good news.

[Beast]

It's just way cool that folks bought it and now hopefully that will carry over into a continued boost. I would hate to lose Mike on the title. :) But, I can't see that they would have printed too many to start with considering the book sells at aroung 75,000/month. I think perhaps they ran maybe 150K? Still, it's very very good news.
Well, they print to order. And milestone issues usually cause a massive purchase boost.

Add in the 3 (now 4) variant covers, and you're looking at a big boost in sales. Hopefully.

[Anna]

HEY! I just realized Jean died fifty issues ago! That's like FOREVS.

Not long enough for me.

[Slung]

Not long enough for me.

Which is why we don't talk to you.

*la la la lala...I don't hear the horrible things you're saying...la lala*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

On a totally unrelated note, Marvel will be releasing next month special collector's edition of Planet X and TDPS tpb's with a huge 'ah ha!!!!!!!' printed on the cover.

[The Shadow]

Quick question... well hopefully anyway...

Who were the Marauders??? I know a few of them... but does anyone know exactly who appeared??

Thanks

[SYBERNYMPH]

So After Everything Blows Over Who Are Gonna Be On The New X-teams ?

I Would Love It Lifeguard And Northstar Came Back

[Erik Lehnsherr]

The original line up plus Lady Mastermind and Mystique.

[MartinRedmond]

Why would they be back? They just backstabbed everyone.

[Omega Alpha]

So After Everything Blows Over Who Are Gonna Be On The New X-teams ?


On Carey's? For sure:

Rogue
Northstar
Husk

Rogue is of course the character who was most focused, and Carey already said he'll bring Husk and Northstar.

Possibly or probably:
Cannonball
Iceman
Aurora
Beast

And maybe one or another member we're expecting or he hasn't talked about much, like Wolverine. Or he gets Psylocke finally.

Sam might go the new X-force, but i think he'll stay and be with Husk. Aurora might be brought to be with Northstar too. Beast i think will be the character Carey didn't expected he was going to get, but he ended up getting. And if Iceman doesn't go to one of the other books (i don't see Brubaker interested, but maybe the new AXM writer is, and he gives Hank to take Bobby) he will be there too.

Brubaker's:
Nightcrawler
Warpath

And then i'm not sure about everyone else. I just hope is more interesting than the current roster of Uncanny, which is in my opinion by far the less interesting one in the history of the X-men. I don't know if Xavier stays post-crossover, or if editorial will allow Storm to continue (i hope not).

Astonishing:
Cyclops
Emma
Colossus

I think those three stay for sure. Scott and Emma as headmasters and Colossus because no one else seems interested. I don't think Beast will stay, and i don't know about Kitty if she survives or Logan (which might go to another book to boost sales of them, or because the current ).

[Cnh-]

Sigh. I don't care if Mystique is a "good guy" or "bad guy", all I know is she would never in her right mind hurt her daughter. They better fix this and not fuck up my favorite character :mad:

[Hi-Fi]

Sigh. I don't care if Mystique is a "good guy" or "bad guy", all I know is she would never in her right mind hurt her daughter. They better fix this and not fuck up my favorite character :mad:
As THE Rogue/Mystique uberfan, trust me when I say she's doing that for her daughter's benefit.;)

[Cnh-]

As THE Rogue/Mystique uberfan, trust me when I say she's doing that for her daughter's benefit.;)

Thanks, that makes me feel a little better. Do you know a spoiler of some type or are you speculating? I would certainly think that anything she does for Rogue is for her benefit, however, getting shot in the chest isn't usually very... beneficial :D

It's nice to meet a fellow Rogue/Mystique uberfan, hi ;)

[Tobias March]

As THE Rogue/Mystique uberfan, trust me when I say she's doing that for her daughter's benefit.;)

Yeah she's probably arranged for Sinister to 'cure' her in exchange for this betrayal. We'll have to wait and see.

Mystique is the 'badmother', figure, her love is pretty twisted. But it is love, of a sort.

[Hi-Fi]

Thanks, that makes me feel a little better. Do you know a spoiler of some type or are you speculating? I would certainly think that anything she does for Rogue is for her benefit, however, getting shot in the chest isn't usually very... beneficial :D

It's nice to meet a fellow Rogue/Mystique uberfan, hi ;)
It's speculation, but I truly believe I'm right. Something tells me that she's taking Rogue out of the fight in order to spare her from being killed by the Marauders.

I also believe she may have made a deal with Sinister to save her daughter's life in exchange of her services.

Let's hope!

[The Shadow]

No one happens to know who consisted of the Marauders that attacked the X-Men at the end??

[Faded]

Marauders of X-Men #200:
Scalphunter
Arclight
Scrambler
Blockbuster
Prism
Vertigo
Riptide
Harpoon

Malice/Omega Sentinel
Lady Mastermind
Mystique

[Elias Bogan]

I think the new teams after the crossover should be...

X-MEN
Rogue
Iceman
Cannonball
Northstar
Aurora
Husk
Beast
Ms. Marvel (new codename for Jean)

UNCANNY
Cyclops
White Queen
Shadowcat
Colossus
Archangle
Nightcrawler
Warpath
Hepzibah

[Sentinel K]

I think the new teams after the crossover should be...

X-MEN
Rogue
Iceman
Cannonball
Northstar
Aurora
Husk
Beast
Ms. Marvel (new codename for Jean)

UNCANNY
Cyclops
White Queen
Shadowcat
Colossus
Archangle
Nightcrawler
Warpath
Hepzibah

I think Caral Danvers might have something to say about this.

[JBKWaka]

I have a feeling the team is going change traumatically after this like a team we never seen before a team we'd never think would be possible :eek:

[Flight]

I think Caral Danvers might have something to say about this. Yes like, "hi Archangle!!!!!"

[Slung]

I think Caral Danvers might have something to say about this.

I think I would have something to say about it...Ms. Marvel? I was glad when she finally got rid of Marvel Girl. Now we have to go and make her a school marm.

[The Shadow]

Marauders of X-Men #200:
Scalphunter
Arclight
Scrambler
Blockbuster
Prism
Vertigo
Riptide
Harpoon

Malice/Omega Sentinel
Lady Mastermind
Mystique

Awesome... thanks a lot!!! :D

[Carnival of Chaos]

I just jumped on at issue 194 and I am confused about something... Are Lady Mastermind and Omega Sentinal part of the Marauders? I looked up the Marauders on the Marvel.com website and it showed LM and OS on the Marauders roster... so why were they working with the x men. And also why did Mystique shoot rogue?

[jen]

I just jumped on at issue 194 and I am confused about something... Are Lady Mastermind and Omega Sentinal part of the Marauders? I looked up the Marauders on the Marvel.com website and it showed LM and OS on the Marauders roster... so why were they working with the x men. And also why did Mystique shoot rogue?

You want to go back to XM #188 and start from there. You will be completely caught up and thank yourself for getting the complete story. They are fantabulous! :D

[Faded]

Awesome... thanks a lot!!! :D

No probum!

You want to go back to XM #188 and start from there. You will be completely caught up and thank yourself for getting the complete story. They are fantabulous! :D

Totally. You've missed some of the best issues if you missed "Supernovas".

[Elias Bogan]

I am pretty sure Carol Danvers has used the name Warbird for years now. And if not Ms. Marvel then what? She is certainly too old to use Marvel Girl, Jean Grey is just too boring and Phoenix brings too much continuity baggage.

As for really shaking up the team, if Callisto and Marrow don't join up with X-Factor then I think it'd be logical and really interesting to see them under Carey's pen. Maybe he'd be able to pick up some old plot threads involving Cannonball and Marrow?

[CmX]

No probum!



Totally. You've missed some of the best issues if you missed "Supernovas".

I always love your avatars! I'm so jealous I wish I knew how to make them so nice like you do.. hehe

Did you re-color that pic? Or did the colorists finally get her tone and eye color correct?

[The Lucky One]

Yes like, "hi Archangle!!!!!"

Isoceles or equilateral?

-D

[Faded]

I always love your avatars! I'm so jealous I wish I knew how to make them so nice like you do.. hehe

Did you re-color that pic? Or did the colorists finally get her tone and eye color correct?

Aw, thanks!

Yeah, they finally got the colors right!!! This one I did no alterations on.

[The Lucky One]

I am pretty sure Carol Danvers has used the name Warbird for years now.

Yeah, from the mid-90s to about 2 years ago. At which point she reclaimed the name "Ms. Marvel."

Seriously, you haven't seen her series on the shelves at your LCS? :confused: It's called exactly that: "Ms. Marvel."

-D

[jester1436]

I am pretty sure Carol Danvers has used the name Warbird for years now. And if not Ms. Marvel then what? She is certainly too old to use Marvel Girl, Jean Grey is just too boring and Phoenix brings too much continuity baggage.

As for really shaking up the team, if Callisto and Marrow don't join up with X-Factor then I think it'd be logical and really interesting to see them under Carey's pen. Maybe he'd be able to pick up some old plot threads involving Cannonball and Marrow?

Carol reclaimed Ms. Marvel at the beginning of House of M and has a solo series in addition to a couple one shots and the leadership position of Mighty Avengers under that name since then. There's absolutely no way she'd give up her original alias and go back to Warbird for Jean Grey. Especially since Ms. Marvel is her big ticket name. Warbird is a name freighted with 90s cliches and alcoholism.

Just call her Jean or Pheonix, it's not like Emma has a codename and Kitty Pryde is more likely than Shadowcat at this point. And there's Dani Moonstar and Cecilia Reyes.

Which begs the question, why do female X-Men end up abandoning code-names or not having them at all?

[CmX]

Yeah, from the mid-90s to about 2 years ago. At which point she reclaimed the name "Ms. Marvel."

Seriously, you haven't seen her series on the shelves at your LCS? :confused: It's called exactly that: "Ms. Marvel."

-D

lol I was about to say the same thing myself...

Ms. Marvel has been making a huge comeback in more ways than one.

[CmX]

Aw, thanks!

Yeah, they finally got the colors right!!! This one I did no alterations on.

Awesome! I'm really happy that they brought back her blue eyes!

For a min there she was looking a little too much like Blink.

[Faded]

Awesome! I'm really happy that they brought back her blue eyes!

For a min there she was looking a little too much like Blink.

I just really hated that shade of red! It was like...swollen balls color. And since her eyes didn't contrast, she was looking a little on the blah side.

Now she can look cute to match the inner supercute Edward Scissorhands babydoll.

[Omega Alpha]

Sigh. I don't care if Mystique is a "good guy" or "bad guy", all I know is she would never in her right mind hurt her daughter. They better fix this and not fuck up my favorite character :mad:

She tried to kill Rogue before, it's perfectly in character.

[Dagger]

She tried to kill Rogue before, it's perfectly in character.
Oh GAWD! You reminded me of that horrible story! Dream's End should never be talked about EVER!;)

[Cnh-]

She tried to kill Rogue before, it's perfectly in character.

That's why I bolded in her "right" mind. She was crazy and I hated that story so don't bring it up (j/k ;) ) In her normal, well normal for Raven, state of mind, I truly don't think she could purposely hurt Rogue or Nightcrawler unless she thought it would somehow benefit them (or at least in her twisted way of thinking).

[Omega Alpha]

That's why I bolded in her "right" mind. She was crazy and I hated that story so don't bring it up (j/k ;) ) In her normal, well normal for Raven, state of mind, I truly don't think she could purposely hurt Rogue or Nightcrawler unless she thought it would somehow benefit them (or at least in her twisted way of thinking).

I don't believe Mystique was crazy when she did all those things, and i specially won't believe just because she said so. And she cares, she always cared, about herself first and above everything. She abandoned Kurt when he was a kid and never looked back. And on training at least, she never hestiated in killing Rogue (although she did with Kurt). If it's suits her interests, she would kill her, i don't doubt it. She's not Sabretooth, but she's not a hero or a Magneto either.

[jen]

I dunno, Mystique is like psycho mommy dearest. I do think she would kill Rogue but she would in her twisted way do if for some better purpose. Like she would do it to teach her a lesson, get even if she felt Rogue hurt or betrayed her or if she thought that killing her was for Rogue's good. It's her way. It's sick and demented, but there you have it.

Mystique doesn't necessarily love Kurt. That one issue where she couldn't shoot him was OOC. She may have given birth to him, but she didn't want him, Rogue on the other hand she took into her home. She chose Rogue, trained her and molded her. She is Raven's creation, so Raven feels sort of betrayed that Rogue left her. Maybe she shot her to bring her back to the darkside?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

BTW, has Rogue ever used her powers on Sinister before? I can't recall anything of the sort in the last 15 years.

[Sentou Ryoku]

She did during Inferno...His personality took over though.

[Sentou Ryoku]

She did during Inferno...His personality took over though.

[Sentou Ryoku]

*damned triple post*

[creaky]

Mystique doesn't necessarily love Kurt. That one issue where she couldn't shoot him was OOC.

How was that scene OOC? She has never been shown to outright hate Kurt. In X-men Unlimited #4, she even risked her own life to save his and in that one Milligan X-men issue I can't remember the number of, he asked her to leave for a while so he could get his head around the fact that she would be joining and lo and behold - she did.
I would guess the biological bond, knowing that he's her own flesh and blood plays a big part. He would have complicated her life a lot, so she threw him away, but he's still her real son, a part of her. A mother's attachment to her child can be a pretty powerful thing.
With Rogue, there is a different kind of attachment. Rogue didn't complicate her life, she added to it. Rogue was a choice she made while Kurt was, for lack of a better term, forced upon her. But Rogue is not her flesh and blood.

[The Shadow]

She tried to kill Rogue before, it's perfectly in character.

Any instances when?

[jen]

How was that scene OOC? She has never been shown to outright hate Kurt. In X-men Unlimited #4, she even risked her own life to save his and in that one Milligan X-men issue I can't remember the number of, he asked her to leave for a while so he could get his head around the fact that she would be joining and lo and behold - she did.
I would guess the biological bond, knowing that he's her own flesh and blood plays a big part. He would have complicated her life a lot, so she threw him away, but he's still her real son, a part of her. A mother's attachment to her child can be a pretty powerful thing.
With Rogue, there is a different kind of attachment. Rogue didn't complicate her life, she added to it. Rogue was a choice she made while Kurt was, for lack of a better term, forced upon her. But Rogue is not her flesh and blood.

I said she didn't necessarily love him, I never said she hated him. That's kinda leaping. ;)

I don't recall the Milligan issue where she risked her life to save Kurt. That surprises me. However, I wouldn't go by Unlimited #4 as it had Rogue with Mystique after she had her powers and she was with Raven before her powers manifested. That issue was completely way off base from canon. BTW that was the only issues I was referring to. She has never really shown any interest in him since. Flesh and blood only means something to sane compassionate people, Raven is more in attached to Rogue as her real creation. And she didn't really leave the X-Men when Kurt asked her to as you can see. Kurt's feelings don't really have a part in Mystique's overall plan, which only MC knows right now.

[jen]

Any instances when?

She gutted Rogue in an issue of Cable, I believe. I have the issue, but it's packed away. The image is Mystique lifting Rogue off of the ground with a giant knife through the gut! Ah, motherly love! :)

[Daithi]

She has never really shown any interest in him since. Flesh and blood only means something to sane compassionate people, Raven is more in attached to Rogue as her real creation.

Yet as pointed out Mystique couldn't hurt Kurt and she knew it was only a robot that time. She's more attached to Rogue but she still has shown that Kurt means something to her.

[cable guy]

That's why I bolded in her "right" mind. She was crazy and I hated that story so don't bring it up (j/k ;) ) In her normal, well normal for Raven, state of mind, I truly don't think she could purposely hurt Rogue or Nightcrawler unless she thought it would somehow benefit them (or at least in her twisted way of thinking).

Right mind, wrong mind, I wouldn't trust Mystique as far as I could throw her.

[Hi-Fi]

Double post.