X-Men #200 Review and Spoilers

[ProfeZZor X]

How cute was Rogue trying to help out at the end: "X-Men!! Rally on me!! I'm f*ckin crazy now, though!"

:(

Meh... Rogue already put herself on the line with Hectacomb. She should have stayed on the sidelines and let Emma do her thing to her while everyone took on the Marauders. That would have been a better time if any for Mystique to take advantage of the situation... While everyone else is distracted.

[Hi-Fi]

I keep rereading the scene where the Marauders appear. Lady Mastermind is such a beatch. "Oh, that would be me".

I love her 1000 times more after this issue.

[CmX]

This book really pissed me off! Not cause it was bad it was so kickass that I displayed emotions towards Mystique and the rest of the Mauraders. I thought this issue was so kickass my favorite scenes were the Gambit scenes. I barely like the guy but Carey of course worked his magic and Gambit was COOL.. it's been years since we've seen a kickass Gambit (c'mon guys seriously admit it)

I can't wait to see where this all goes and what Carey finally decides to do about Rogue's condition/powers and why the hell Mystique betrayed the X-Men yet again, I'm assuming because Anna was so cold and distant wouldn't open up so she decided to pull the trigger in more ways that one.

I'm sad to see Regan revert to her badside, I was loving her as an X-man, oh well we'll see what happens!

This is the X-Men that I missed.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Well wasn't one of the things the Illuminati was going to do is share info so maybe Xavier told Stark and Stark told SHIELD.

Well..that's a problem. That needs to be shown in a book where it can be canon instead of us all speculating about Shield knowing that a 150 year old Geneticist is alive running experiments on whoever he damn well pleases.

[Hi-Fi]

Meh... Rogue already put herself on the line with Hectacomb. She should have stayed on the sidelines and let Emma do her thing to her while everyone took on the Marauders.
Yeah, you're right, she should have dragged Emma's unconscious body to the room and waited her to get up while the Marauders were killing the X-Men...

[caney]

In order to make things clear, we'll examine our subject in whatever he does after his steamy encounter with Mystique (it will take me two posts because of the image limit).


LOL!!! You totally rock!

[ProfeZZor X]

Yeah, you're right, she should have dragged Emma's unconscious body to the room and waited her to get up while the Marauders were killing the X-Men...

Well what good would Rogue be to the situation, other than using her fire powers? It's not like she'd go on a tangent and touch all of the Marauders to end the conflict right then and there. She's already crazy, so how could she really gauge how functional and effective she would be in that situation. Bad call on her, and bad call on those that allowed her to fight.

Mystique has lots of skills, and stealth and deception are two of them. She had already convinced Scott to give the alarm, so she could have come up with an effective plan to get rid of Emma, so that she could get Rogue alone. She could have done the deed, and vanished without a trace, all the same.

[Hi-Fi]

Well what good would Rogue be to the situation, other than using her fire powers?
How about... using her fire powers?? It's just like Iceman's! Only the opposite.

It's not like she'd go on a tangent and touch all of the Marauders to end the conflict right then and there. She's already crazy, so how could she really gauge how functional and effective she would be in that situation. Bad call on her, and bad call on those that allowed her to fight
Of course it was a bad call, she's insane. But I doubt any X-Man would just stand there while their friends are being killed. And there was no one there to allow her to fight or not, they were all busy with the Marauders. Sorry, dude, you're making less sense than Rogue in this issue.

[caney]

Do you think "Pentangle Formation" is an actual move for the X-Men or was that all Rogue crazy-talk? I'm going with crazy-talk. So cute! :)

[Faded]

This book really pissed me off! Not cause it was bad it was so kickass that I displayed emotions towards Mystique and the rest of the Mauraders. I thought this issue was so kickass my favorite scenes were the Gambit scenes. I barely like the guy but Carey of course worked his magic and Gambit was COOL.. it's been years since we've seen a kickass Gambit (c'mon guys seriously admit it)

I can't wait to see where this all goes and what Carey finally decides to do about Rogue's condition/powers and why the hell Mystique betrayed the X-Men yet again, I'm assuming because Anna was so cold and distant wouldn't open up so she decided to pull the trigger in more ways that one.

I'm sad to see Regan revert to her badside, I was loving her as an X-man, oh well we'll see what happens!

This is the X-Men that I missed.

There's still like a .02% chance she'll be one of the two Marauders reverting back to the X-Men!

Honestly, I'm taking the betrayals a lot better than I thought I would. I don't think I want to see any of the Marauders switch sides back to the X-Men again...even Sunfire. It was awesome seeing them on the opposition and I think other than Lady Mastermind (biasbiasbias) they fullfill a much more significant role as Marauders than they ever would as X-Men again.

A part of me still wants to see Regan back with Rogue's squad, being the vodka drinking, trash talking, hit list making, Rockslide hard making bitch I've grown to love. :)

Oh, Carey. :o

[Hi-Fi]

Do you think "Pentangle Formation" is an actual move for the X-Men or was that all Rogue crazy-talk? I'm going with crazy-talk. So cute! :)
Crazy talk!

[ProfeZZor X]

How about... using her fire powers?? It's just like Iceman's! Only the opposite..

Except Iceman isn't crazy, and can't kill any of his own team mates if he touches them by accident.

Of course it was a bad call, she's insane. But I doubt any X-Man would just stand there while their friends are being killed. And there was no one there to allow her to fight or not, they were all busy with the Marauders. Sorry, dude, you're making less sense than Rogue in this issue.

Again, her team had just as high a probability to be accidentally killed by her, than with the Marauders. Scott/Emma should have ordered her to the infirmary or bed rest. Or the very least, as a last resort.

[Cthulhudrew]

You know... with the Marauder's targetting temporal anomolies or individuals with some variation of temporal powers... makes me wonder if Mister Sinister's whole plan is that he's trying to harness a massive amount of temporal energy in order to alter reality once again.

At this point, I'm thinking he might be trying to remove anyone with knowledge of how the future is/is supposed to be, in order that he can have a clean slate to mold it the way he wants it to be.

[Hi-Fi]

Except Iceman isn't crazy, and can't kill any of his own team mates if he touches them by accident.
Well, he lost his powers, so he's as useless as her. I don't see him running to the infirmary either.

Again, her team had just a high probability to be accidentally killed by her, than with the Marauders. Scott/Emma should have ordered her to the infirmary or bed rest.
And again, she's crazy. :)

She's not thinking. She wakes up to a gunshot and expects the worst. She gets out there for her friends.

Emma was unconscious. Cyclops is trying not to get killed.

[Faded]

Well what good would Rogue be to the situation, other than using her fire powers? It's not like she'd go on a tangent and touch all of the Marauders to end the conflict right then and there. She's already crazy, so how could she really gauge how functional and effective she would be in that situation. Bad call on her, and bad call on those that allowed her to fight.

Mystique has lots of skills, and stealth and deception are two of them. She had already convinced Scott to give the alarm, so she could have come up with an effective plan to get rid of Emma, so that she could get Rogue alone. She could have done the deed, and vanished without a trace, all the same.

Allowed her? I can't really tell because of the art in the scene, but I think Rogue entered the fight on her own instinct.

Plus...she's Rogue. Like she was going to listen. :cool:

Do you think "Pentangle Formation" is an actual move for the X-Men or was that all Rogue crazy-talk? I'm going with crazy-talk. So cute! :)

LOL! What is it with Hi-Fi and his characters who love their crazy-talk? ;)

[Hi-Fi]

LOL! What is it with Hi-Fi and his characters who love their crazy-talk? ;)
Crazy Rogue is sad. Makes me wanna hug her. :(

I'm kinda sad for Bobby as well. He trusted Mystique and now she just "killed" one of his best friends.

[ProfeZZor X]

Well, he lost his powers, so he's as useless as her. I don't see him running to the infirmary either.


And again, she's crazy. :)

She's not thinking. She wakes up to a gunshot and expects the worst. She gets out there for her friends.

Emma was unconscious. Cyclops is trying not to get killed.

He very well may be just as useless to them as she was, but he didn't have random episodes of psychosis... with the itchy ant fingers and everything. ;)

[Hi-Fi]

He very well may be just as useless to them as she was, but he didn't have random episodes of psychosis... with the itchy ant fingers and everything. ;)
Yeah, how lovely was that???:cool:

[Pach!]

Lady M should get some type of award for breakthrough character of the year.

"Oh, that would be me " SNAP ...room full of Marauders.

I love Lady Mastermind as an X-man, I love her as a Marauder.

[ProfeZZor X]

Yeah, how lovely was that???:cool:

She could get a job with the SPCA... and instead of injecting the poor animals, she could touch them. No pain.. quick, easy, and painless.

Death row inmates might be too risky for her psyche.

... But at least it would get rid of her "itchy ants" feeling.

[Omega Alpha]

Well..that's a problem. That needs to be shown in a book where it can be canon instead of us all speculating about Shield knowing that a 150 year old Geneticist is alive running experiments on whoever he damn well pleases.

No, it doesn't. Their director was a part of a superhero group who was created to share information, and one of the members was Xavier. It doesn't need to be said in canon they know.


Again, her team had just as high a probability to be accidentally killed by her, than with the Marauders. Scott/Emma should have ordered her to the infirmary or bed rest. Or the very least, as a last resort.

Emma was too busy unconscious and Scott was too busy not trying to get himself and the other X-men killed.

And i want to see Cyke, Wade and Domino kicking Gambit and Sunfire's ass.

[Hi-Fi]

Now imagine how would be reading this issue if we didn't know about Mystique, Regan and Karima (all spoiled in promo articles and pictures).

It would be fricking amazing and I would have had a heart attack!

[djm]

I started collecting comics again about about 9 months ago and this kind of story is why i started reading again. I love Mike Carey's work with this book. I never liked cable but if he is dead i'm actually upset to see him dead because i was actually really digging him in this book.

I really liked teh interaction between Sam and Rogue. Plus iceman being used (presumably) by Mystique to dull his powers must be gut wrenching for Bobby. can't wait to see how that plays out.

So much stuff happened it was awesome. When i got to the last page and realized the rest of the book was the Endangered Species portion of it i was so upset..... It was agonizing but such a good feeling that finished and wished it was next month already!

This Arc is going to be great :D

[Cam Man]

Its a good thing Rachael is off in Shiar space. That being said Bishop better watch his back.

[jarrod]

Its a good thing Rachael is off in Shiar space. That being said Bishop better watch his back.
Nocturne too... actually, how manay "future people" are walking around 616?

[Daydreamer]

My Favorite X-Men Issue So Far! It had unexpected twists, turns, action, all the factors that lead up to a devastating last page. I can not wait for #201 and so on! Keep on going muties! You may be on the verge of extinction, but your pulling through!!

X-Men #200 = Two Thumbs Way Up! The must have comic of the Month.

[Omega Alpha]

Nocturne too... actually, how manay "future people" are walking around 616?

Nocturne will go back to Exiles.

[Faded]

Now imagine how would be reading this issue if we didn't know about Mystique, Regan and Karima (all spoiled in promo articles and pictures).

It would be fricking amazing and I would have had a heart attack!

I'd sob irrationally at the thought of my dear Regan switching sides.

Then again, I would've seen Ramos' variant cover at the LCS beforehand. I would've had enough time to cry from the shop to the drive back home. :o

[The Lucky One]

And Bobby could be on a orgy with guys only that people would still refuse to admit he's gay...

I suppose the main difference is, if he was shown sleeping with guys, I'd say "Yep, he's gay." Whereas he's actually depicted sleeping with girls, causing people to conclude, "Yep, he's gay."

It all makes sense, though. Honest.

-D

[rilokyle]

I got the FINCH COVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

It was the LAST copy left at this store in Boston. It was next to two big stacks of the Bachalo and the Ramos covers. My life is COMPLETE. It's soooooo gorgeous in person. Polaris in particular is very pretty. Too bad Husk and Lady M got cut off though!

Okay, I've skimmed the issue, but I'm about to read it thoroughly now that I'm finally home. Here we go.........

[Deus ex Chris]

I suppose the main difference is, if he was shown sleeping with guys, I'd say "Yep, he's gay." Whereas he's actually depicted sleeping with girls, causing people to conclude, "Yep, he's gay."

It all makes sense, though. Honest.

-D
Actually, it does make sense. Closeted guys sleep with women all the time. Many of them even get married and have children. Just sayin'...

Anyway, this issue was decent enough. I wouldn't say it was great, but it was good. Malice/Karima and Lady Mastermind did rock my socks a little bit.

[The Lucky One]

Actually, it does make sense. Closeted guys sleep with women all the time. Many of them even get married and have children. Just sayin'...

No doubt, but what you're "just sayin'" is that there's no way for Bobby to be straight. Sleep with men? Gay. Sleep with women? Gay. Sleep with women while showing no signs of being gay or interest in men? Really, really closeted gay. Sneak around with women behind his friends' backs and initiate liasons no one is supposed to know about? 100% flamingly gay.

Just gets a bit :rolleyes: , is all. But this isn't the thread for that, so never mind. Carry on.

-D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

No, it doesn't. Their director was a part of a superhero group who was created to share information, and one of the members was Xavier. It doesn't need to be said in canon they know.



Xavier isn't particularly close with any of the Illiuminati. So I doubt they've been having open discussions about Nathan Essex.

[jarrod]

Xavier isn't particularly close with any of the Illiuminati. So I doubt they've been having open discussions about Nathan Essex.
Sure. I bet Stark or Fury never had open discussions with Val either. ;)

[Deus ex Chris]

No doubt, but what you're "just sayin'" is that there's no way for Bobby to be straight. Sleep with men? Gay. Sleep with women? Gay. Sleep with women while showing no signs of being gay or interest in men? Really, really closeted gay. Sneak around with women behind his friends' backs and initiate liasons no one is supposed to know about? 100% flamingly gay.

Just gets a bit :rolleyes: , is all. But this isn't the thread for that, so never mind. Carry on.

-D
This absolutely isn't the thread for this, but you don't have to be so dismissive of an opinion simply because you don't subscribe to it. Seriously, you people who get yourselves all worked up because some fans would like to see that development happen with the character really need to step back. It's fine that you don't agree, but this dismissive bullshit needs to go.

[Beast]

No doubt, but what you're "just sayin'" is that there's no way for Bobby to be straight. Sleep with men? Gay. Sleep with women? Gay. Sleep with women while showing no signs of being gay or interest in men? Really, really closeted gay. Sneak around with women behind his friends' backs and initiate liasons no one is supposed to know about? 100% flamingly gay.

Just gets a bit :rolleyes: , is all. But this isn't the thread for that, so never mind. Carry on.

-D
Well, even Carey has pretty much tossed his two bits in on the 'Bobby likes the Guys' debate. ;)

Besides, it was on Family Guy. So it has to be true. :D

[CmX]

I got the FINCH COVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

It was the LAST copy left at this store in Boston. It was next to two big stacks of the Bachalo and the Ramos covers. My life is COMPLETE. It's soooooo gorgeous in person. Polaris in particular is very pretty. Too bad Husk and Lady M got cut off though!

I got the Finch cover too! *plus the Ramos' cover* I practically had to beg and plead my comic shop guy to save me a copy and this was about a month ago haha I can't believe he held it for me. ;)

[SnakeEater]

i really hope both Gambit and Mystique stay bad.
Honestly mystique being on the Xmen is like Spiderman being in the Thunderbolts. There is no way in hell to make it fit and no matter what everyone will assume there is a hitch.
Gambit staying on the Xmen was always because he loved Rogue. They did things a few times but time and time again something always came up. I know he has saved people a few times but honerstly what good is he if somehow every time there is a major fight he is useless? Explain to me when in the last 5 years he has actually been useful in a fight. And 5 years is how long ive been collecting to what about before i fully came on?

question. who did riptide kill in the elevator and who was the old guy? Or is that something new and has nothing to do with continuity?

[Beast]

question. who did riptide kill in the elevator and who was the old guy? Or is that something new and has nothing to do with continuity?
Check back in the thread. But it's Quiet Bill and The Witness.

Former associates of Gambit who are also weird temporal variances and/or powers.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=845

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1269

[The Lucky One]

This absolutely isn't the thread for this, but you don't have to be so dismissive of an opinion simply because you don't subscribe to it. Seriously, you people who get yourselves all worked up because some fans would like to see that development happen with the character really need to step back. It's fine that you don't agree, but this dismissive bullshit needs to go.

Settle down, Chris. I'm not being dismissive, you are. Reread what I said and reevaluate your opinion, because I do agree that ONE of us is getting all worked up. It's just not me. Take it somewhere else.

-D

[The Lucky One]

Besides, it was on Family Guy. So it has to be true. :D

Balls. Because if you tell me Ms. Pac-Man really left Pac-Man, you're a damn dirty liar and that's all there is to that.

Not even everything on The Simpsons is true, for crying out loud. And that hurts to say.

-D

[Omega Alpha]

Xavier isn't particularly close with any of the Illiuminati. So I doubt they've been having open discussions about Nathan Essex.

The Illuminati was created to share information, specially about villains. And if you're a part of a group created to share information about villains, you share information about a guy who your team has fought several times, specially considering you were never able to beat him really, he's smarter than you, you have no idea where he is possibly hidden, and on this group you have the smartest man on Earth, another one who's as smart as this enemy of yours, Earth's Scorcerer Supreme, the mutant (the guy's main area of interest) who happens to rule 75% of the world, and a guy who can kill him with one scream.

[Deus ex Chris]

Settle down, Chris. I'm not being dismissive, you are. Reread what I said and reevaluate your opinion, because I do agree that ONE of us is getting all worked up. It's just not me. Take it somewhere else.

-D
I wasn't the least bit dismissive, and I am settled. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call you out.

[rilokyle]

OMG it was such a good issue! I especially loved the part where Regan was like "Oops, that'd be me", and then all the Marauders appear. Bitchin'!

I'm pissed about Mystique- was this her plan from the very get-go? I hope her feelings for Bobby were true though- maybe the romance was an unexpected part in her gameplan? I'm interested to see how Carey explains this.

Poor poor Rogue- girlfriend can NOT catch a break ever!

Emma was super FABULOUS in this issue. I loved her gear, and I loved how Carey wrote her. Definitely one of my favorite Emma Frost issues.

I'm suprisingly bummed out about Cable. I really liked him this issue, for the first time EVER, and what happens to him? He goes and dies on me! Hopefully there's a catch with that though.....

But wow, what an amazing issue! At least Bobby got some ass before he got mutant VD from Raven.

[SnakeEater]

Check back in the thread. But it's Quiet Bill and The Witness.

Former associates of Gambit who are also weird temporal variances and/or powers.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=845

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1269

thanks beast. always a pleasure to hear from your on these xmen problems i suffer :)

[Starbrand]

I have to say that I enjoyed this issue very much. Cable has and will always be one of my favorite characters and seeing him go out like that was terrific. The issue had many great moments but my favorite by far was the return of Gambit. This is the Gambit I wish was around for the last few years. There he was arrogant, annoying, confident, graceful, and slimy as ever. Man I hope he stays like that since that is when he's at his best, not as some love sick clown chasing after Rogue. He reminds me of how he was when he was first introduced and the following year or two. The Marauders are back and it looks like the X-Men might be in for the fight of their lives.....good times are coming :)

[dotdotdot]

since when is the witness not gambit and hanging around in present day?

and enough of the retarded comments about iceman's sexuality...and who looked cute in this issue, and other asinine comments. good issue.
i assume emma is going to wake up, and kitty and peter show up (they might need colossus to carry rogue to ensure no skin or blood contact).........otherwise i have no idea how they're going to get out of this.

[SnakeEater]

I have to say that I enjoyed this issue very much. Cable has and will always be one of my favorite characters and seeing him go out like that was terrific. The issue had many great moments but my favorite by far was the return of Gambit. This is the Gambit I wish was around for the last few years. There he was arrogant, annoying, confident, graceful, and slimy as ever. Man I hope he stays like that since that is when he's at his best, not as some love sick clown chasing after Rogue. He reminds me of how he was when he was first introduced and the following year or two. The Marauders are back and it looks like the X-Men might be in for the fight of their lives.....good times are coming :)

agreed 100%

[Carnival of Chaos]

ok so i have not read x-men since like 170 ish "Love Triangle" story and I saw that they were saying this was a good jumping back on point and it is totally b.s. I did not understand a single freaking that that was going on. Thats kind of lame. Art was good though... wish i could of understood what the hell was going on.

[Harding Prime]

I got the Finch Cover!

It has the perfect specimen of life as it is known, the Pheonix!

Bring her back NOW!

[f4faith]

Gambit staying on the Xmen was always because he loved Rogue.

Gambit originally stayed with the X-Men because he was trying to redeem his mistakes and his original connection to the Morlock Massacre - not necesarily as their most orthodox member. All that was pretty clearly established in the issues between XM #45 and UXM #350 and his first series. That it was reduced to being about him and Rogue in the last several years is one of the big failings of how Marvel has perceived both characters since then. Rogue's generally been all about her inablity to touch (which included the time Gambit was gone after 350) and Gambit's been as you noted pretty useless for a guy that has the skills he was originally written with - ie thief and skilled fighter.

Explain to me when in the last 5 years he has actually been useful in a fight.

Explain to me when Iceman was before Carey got ahold of him. Bobby's best stories date back to Lobdell really. I agree that Gambit needs to be used better but his motivations still need to be reconciled with the history of the character. Much like Mystique's do as well.

since when is the witness not gambit and hanging around in present day?

Since the really bad Gambit/Bishop series way back when

[dotdotdot]

Explain to me when Iceman was before Carey got ahold of him. Bobby's best stories date back to Lobdell really. I agree that Gambit needs to be used better but his motivations still need to be reconciled with the history of the character. Much like Mystique's do as well.



Since the really bad Gambit/Bishop series way back when

hey at least he's dead and that fixes that.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

The Illuminati was created to share information, specially about villains. And if you're a part of a group created to share information about villains, you share information about a guy who your team has fought several times, specially considering you were never able to beat him really, he's smarter than you, you have no idea where he is possibly hidden, and on this group you have the smartest man on Earth, another one who's as smart as this enemy of yours, Earth's Scorcerer Supreme, the mutant (the guy's main area of interest) who happens to rule 75% of the world, and a guy who can kill him with one scream.

Until it's shown in a book, I'll hold reservations. Tony Stark, Captain America, and others have never mentioned Sinister over the years. If they knew of his crimes in the Mutant Masscre, he would be a top target for them to capture. I think Thor knows of him because of his involvement in MM but since Sinister pretty much walked away unscathed without having to face Thor, I doubt it was pursued.

[Karthak]

So Cable is dead and Sugar Man is alive? I have this strange urge to shout "WHAT THE @¤%# WERE YOU THINKING?!" to someone at Marvel.:(

[UniqueFrequency]

So Cable is dead and Sugar Man is alive? I have this strange urge to shout "WHAT THE @¤%# WERE YOU THINKING?!" to someone at Marvel.:(


so does that mean Cable and Deadpool is now just Deadpool?

[Euks]

so does that mean Cable and Deadpool is now just Deadpool?

There are rumors it will be soon, but as of yet nothing has been announced for changing the actual title of the comic. For the next two issues it'll be Deadpool and Wolverine though.

[CmX]

I got the Finch Cover!

It has the perfect specimen of life as it is known, the Pheonix!

Bring her back NOW!

Let's not lol

I was confused by the prelude I'm not familiar with those characters, other than the links provided characters from Remy's past.

[Unkillable Cat]

To those of you thinking that no-one except the X-Men could/should know about Mr. Sinister:

Mr. Sinister has been around for long enough that non-mutant individuals in the Marvel Universe could have learned about him. In the case of S.H.I.E.L.D. it is not a case of whether they know about him, but for how long they have known about him. They employ telepaths of their own, and do not hesitate to use them against super-powered individuals who just happen to be visiting the Helicarrier. No-one should know about House of M, but S.H.I.E.L.D. does.

Another thing, how often has the X-Mansion's computer been "compromised"? Didn't Bastion just lug the whole thing off once? That would have given him access to...all the data contained in the computer, wouldn't it? What happened to that data? S.H.I.E.L.D. shut Operation: Zero Tolerance down, and if S.H.I.E.L.D didn't take all the data from the X-computer in the process, they'd have to be the worst "intelligence" organization on the planet.

The only question that is debatable, is how much S.H.I.E.L.D. knows about Mr. Sinister. Do they know his origins? Do they know what resources Sinister has available? Do they know if he's left- or right-handed? Do they know how he likes his coffee? Do they know that Sinister orchestrated Cable's birth?

[blinkinrogue]

Nope. Mike Carey said he'd be turning up again. And that the first place would be in the Endangered Species back-ups. So apperantly he gets out of the mind-fudge that Lady Mastermind puts him in.

why is pan in that screen? has it been explained? ddint he lose his powers?? i loved this issue, what a twist at the end. almost as action packed as transformers.

[Pach!]

why is pan in that screen? has it been explained? ddint he lose his powers?? i loved this issue, what a twist at the end. almost as action packed as transformers.

Even if he did lose his powers, he must have been a hell of a geneticist to create strain 88 in the first place.

[We R. Venom]

Well I absolutely loved this issue. It was a great read, and very crazy for me.
I mean i was on edge. Especially when Gambit and Sunfire jumped Cable. That was rediculous. All this stuff happened and it has got me wanting to read so much more.

Emma got ambushed. Omega Sentinel got ambushed, and in a unique way. Pretty much everyone got just jumped and im pretty sure the Marauders are comign for the mansion next. Rogue is....in bad shape. Cable might be gone, its just all bad, but in a good way.

The absolute only gripe I had with the comic, is Bachalo not drawing the scene with Bobby and Raven. It was still good though, I felt it, and so did Mystique.:D Honestly though, the woman is rediculous. Is she the Mauraders feild leader? And where is Exodus? Is he coming in for the next stage of battle? Just a great story!

I can't wait to meet Mike Carey!!!!

[CmX]

Well I absolutely loved this issue. It was a great read, and very crazy for me.
I mean i was on edge. Especially when Gambit and Sunfire jumped Cable. That was rediculous. All this stuff happened and it has got me wanting to read so much more.

Emma got ambushed. Omega Sentinel got ambushed, and in a unique way. Pretty much everyone got just jumped and im pretty sure the Marauders are comign for the mansion next. Rogue is....in bad shape. Cable might be gone, its just all bad, but in a good way.

The absolute only gripe I had with the comic, is Bachalo not drawing the scene with Bobby and Raven. It was still good though, I felt it, and so did Mystique.:D Honestly though, the woman is rediculous. Is she the Mauraders feild leader? And where is Exodus? Is he coming in for the next stage of battle? Just a great story!

I can't wait to meet Mike Carey!!!!

Tell me about it! I wanna do explicit things to Mr Carey for his kickass X-Men run so far! :p

My only gripe is Ramos art.. why can't Bachalo do it all! Or find a decent fill-in penciller.. argh! Oh well his art seemed to have "improved" well not so much it just seemed a tad tolerable, but still can't stand the guys style whatsoever.

[We R. Venom]

Tell me about it! I wanna do explicit things to Mr Carey for his kickass X-Men run so far! :p

My only gripe is Ramos art.. why can't Bachalo do it all! Or find a decent fill-in penciller.. argh! Oh well his art seemed to have "improved" well not so much it just seemed a tad tolerable, but still can't stand the guys style whatsoever.

I will tell you about it. I probably wont wash my hand for like a week after I shake his. Maybe his talent will rub off. Oh, and get used to me saying I'm going to meet and have Mike sign my comic on the 12th because I probably wont stop untill then, and even after i will be talking about it lol.

Anyway, some of the ramos pages were really good, but i just could not hope too much about Bachalo drawing the Icy scene with Mystique n' Bobby. I got my hopes up too much.

[rwsmith]

Check back in the thread. But it's Quiet Bill and The Witness.

Former associates of Gambit who are also weird temporal variances and/or powers.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=845

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1269

Dear Lord! Both of those characters' powers sound so ridiculously stupid. I'm pretty glad that the Marauders are on a killing spree and ridding the Marvel Universe of temporal anomalies.

Bishop had better watch his back. And if Rachel ever returns to Earth, she should too.:)

[We R. Venom]

Dear Lord! Both of those characters' powers sound so ridiculously stupid. I'm pretty glad that the Marauders are on a killing spree and ridding the Marvel Universe of temporal anomalies.

Bishop had better watch his back. And if Rachel ever returns to Earth, she should too.:)

Alternate reality and time line junk? lol I can see why Marvel would off, Quiet Bill.

I wonder when Bobby and Mystique are gonna talk next. Probably next issue?

[rwsmith]

Ha. I can't stop thinking about Quiet Bill. Even his friggin' name is lame. Who the hell created such an abomination? I mean, how did this character ever seem like a good idea to anyone!?

[jarrod]

Ray'll be fine, she's died a few times already. Those Phoenix are like cockroaches. :P

Hopefully we get to see her go after the Marauders/Gambit/Sunfire/Sinister for what they did to her "baby brother"... and hopefully it's more fulfilling than her going after the Shi'ar's been. :/

[rwsmith]

Ray'll be fine, she's died a few times already. Those Phoenix are like cockroaches. :P

Too true, unfortunately. Wolverine tried his best to get rid of her. Too bad it didn't take.;)

Hopefully we get to see her go after the Marauders/Gambit/Sunfire/Sinister for what they did to her "baby brother"... and hopefully it's more fulfilling than her going after the Shi'ar's been. :/

Hopefully she'll stay in space. Forever. Just my opinion.

[jarrod]

Naw, I'm going my original prediction... Ray trips backwards off a cliff and crushes Gambit (VENGEANCE!!).

[rwsmith]

Hmm...you might be onto something. If nothing else, it would definitely be a different kind of death than we're used to in the X-books.

[jarrod]

And on the way down she accidentally turns herself into a dinosaur. Also, Betsy pushed her.

[Elias Bogan]

Carey said that Rogue and Gambit do eventually come face to face but not for a few more months. And he also talked about Uncanny 350 where Rogue left Gambit in the snow after learning of his crimes during the Mutant Massacre. Given that, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a repeat of that moment at the end of the crossover. Thus freeing up Rogue for some kentucky fried lovin!

[jarrod]

Pulse is from Kentucky?

[steve2275]

time for COLOSSUS to step up and start being badass
since logan cant

[DDM]

To those of you thinking that no-one except the X-Men could/should know about Mr. Sinister:

Mr. Sinister has been around for long enough that non-mutant individuals in the Marvel Universe could have learned about him. In the case of S.H.I.E.L.D. it is not a case of whether they know about him, but for how long they have known about him. They employ telepaths of their own, and do not hesitate to use them against super-powered individuals who just happen to be visiting the Helicarrier. No-one should know about House of M, but S.H.I.E.L.D. does.

Another thing, how often has the X-Mansion's computer been "compromised"? Didn't Bastion just lug the whole thing off once? That would have given him access to...all the data contained in the computer, wouldn't it? What happened to that data? S.H.I.E.L.D. shut Operation: Zero Tolerance down, and if S.H.I.E.L.D didn't take all the data from the X-computer in the process, they'd have to be the worst "intelligence" organization on the planet.

The only question that is debatable, is how much S.H.I.E.L.D. knows about Mr. Sinister. Do they know his origins? Do they know what resources Sinister has available? Do they know if he's left- or right-handed? Do they know how he likes his coffee? Do they know that Sinister orchestrated Cable's birth?

Mister Sinister knows how to cover his tracks. Even if S.H.I.E.L.D. found out from Xavier's computers, they would not believe him because the organization has zero evidence to back it up. For all intents & purposes, on paper, Mister Sinister does not exist. S.H.I.E.L.D. should have doubts about Sinister, Apocalypse, the Shadow King all because they can find no proof of these villains have ever existed.

[rwsmith]

time for COLOSSUS to step up and start being badass
since logan cant

Um...I agree that it's time for Colossus to step up, but why can't Logan? I don't think he got taken out this issue. He's still standing in the last panel he appears in.

Or are you referring to the fact that Marvel's writers don't seem to want to allow the character to be badass anymore?:confused:

[Pach!]

Mister Sinister knows how to cover his tracks. Even if S.H.I.E.L.D. found out from Xavier's computers, they would not believe him because the organization has zero evidence to back it up. For all intents & purposes, on paper, Mister Sinister does not exist. S.H.I.E.L.D. should have doubts about Sinister, Apocalypse, the Shadow King all because they can find no proof of these villains have ever existed.

In the blood of Apocalypse storyline the O*N*E helped the X-men, so I would assume Apocalypse is public knowledge to the government and S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Slant]

Even if they know about him, its very little if anything at all. Its not like Xavier was even there for Sinister's early appearances, so he wouldn't even know everything. You can recall Xavier not knowing much about Sinister around the time he warned Scott about the Legacy virus.

Plus, Sinister has rarely confronted the X Men as a whole since. He's only confronted individuals like Cyclops and Gambit. He's not like Apocalypse in that regard.

[DDM]

In the blood of Apocalypse storyline the O*N*E helped the X-men, so I would assume Apocalypse is public knowledge to the government and S.H.I.E.L.D.

Again, the government has nothing on Apocalypse from their own network of agents. Trusting second hand information without their own intelligence is just sloppy.

[blinkinrogue]

akkkk ddm your avatar is probably the best ive seen u use so far. what did you think about 200? do u think rogue's powers will change after being shot?

[steve2275]

Um...I agree that it's time for Colossus to step up, but why can't Logan? I don't think he got taken out this issue. He's still standing in the last panel he appears in.

Or are you referring to the fact that Marvel's writers don't seem to want to allow the character to be badass anymore?:confused:
havent been to the comic shop yet
i lost my thought on big C

[DDM]

akkkk ddm your avatar is probably the best ive seen u use so far. what did you think about 200? do u think rogue's powers will change after being shot?

I haven't bought my books yet. I'll buy them today.

[rwsmith]

Well, you'll be happy to know that Colossus and Shadowcat are the only ones at the mansion to protect the students. So, assuming the Marauders succeed in taking out the other X-men in New Orleans, it will be down to Piotr and Katya to stop them from ripping through the kids.

Honestly, I'm hoping to see a repeat of Colossus snapping Riptide's neck. Something like:

"Didn't I do this once before, comrade?" Followed by a sickening *SNAP*.

That would be tight as hell IMO.

[steve2275]

da comrade:cool:

[Charybdis4]

Good issue all in all - loved the Riptide scene & bonus points for him taking out a clown....

I suppose my only gripe was that there wasn't enough of the fight scene between the teams. Hopefully that will continue next issue.

Still not sure about Ramos's art. That full page of the fight was a bit confusing. It took me a while to work out that it's Sam who is punching Harpoon, though where is the rest of his body????? And Arclight looks a bit odd fighting Beast.

Love Lady M's "That would be me!" line - She has to come back to the good side!! They can keep Sunfire & Gambit.

The ONE scene I want to see in this story is Rogue somehow getting her Ms Marvel powers back & going one-on-one with Arclight & punching her head off!

Oh & maybe a bit of "Scrambler bashing" that's always hugely entertaining!

[jarrod]

Mister Sinister knows how to cover his tracks. Even if S.H.I.E.L.D. found out from Xavier's computers, they would not believe him because the organization has zero evidence to back it up. For all intents & purposes, on paper, Mister Sinister does not exist. S.H.I.E.L.D. should have doubts about Sinister, Apocalypse, the Shadow King all because they can find no proof of these villains have ever existed.
Well... except another government division (Valerie Cooper's X-Factor) have also encountered Sinister on record and even imprisioned one of his henchmen.

And Apocalypse is a pretty public mutant figure, hell he crashed the US Senate and made threats on national television in Milligan's run. Farouk I'd agree with actually, though again, there's a Val Cooper/Freedom Force connection there too (though likely significantly less in the way of real "proof").


Well, you'll be happy to know that Colossus and Shadowcat are the only ones at the mansion to protect the students. So, assuming the Marauders succeed in taking out the other X-men in New Orleans, it will be down to Piotr and Katya to stop them from ripping through the kids.
Should be awesome... though I've still got my fingers crossed that Northstar will pop up too! :D

[rwsmith]

da comrade:cool:

Hey, Steve, you need a Colossus avatar, man. I took the liberty of making one for you:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/Colossusavatar.jpg

Slow day at work.

[ProfeZZor X]

Alternate reality and time line junk? lol I can see why Marvel would off, Quiet Bill.

I wonder when Bobby and Mystique are gonna talk next. Probably next issue?

I would think that it's safe to say that Bobby now knows Mystique is behind the whole attack, and his power fluctuations. But it's unclear, based on what we see in the panels, that he is hiding something from the others. Meaning that something went wrong or was awkward during his encounter with Mystique. Some people might come up with their own speculation, but I try to call it how I see it in print.

[Keith_Martineau]

Again, the government has nothing on Apocalypse from their own network of agents. Trusting second hand information without their own intelligence is just sloppy.

Yeah, but he appeared in the flesh before the United Nations in that same storyline, so I'm pretty sure THAT would qualify.

In any case, I find it unlikely that SHIELD does not know about all of these villains. There have just been far too many things that have happened that involve characters with ties to SHIELD. X-Factors base for a long time was a ship that belonged to Apocalypse. It is unlikely SHIELD didn't have info and intel on that.
Even if all they had WAS rumors from data taken from Xaviers files, it's SHIELDS job to take these rumors seriously rather than discard them. This isn't the FBI and the X Files where they have unexplained phenomena that they generally ignore or brush off as unclassifiable.

SHIELD knows. It truly is a question of WHAT they know.

[ProfeZZor X]

Ha. I can't stop thinking about Quiet Bill. Even his friggin' name is lame. Who the hell created such an abomination? I mean, how did this character ever seem like a good idea to anyone!?

Yeah, just like that time travelling Gateway character... He doesn't even talk... What a useless piece of crap he is. :rolleyes:

[TinMan]

Yeah, just like that time travelling Gateway character... What a useless piece of crap he is. :rolleyes:

Uhhh, Gateway doesn't time travel?

[ProfeZZor X]

Uhhh, Gateway doesn't time travel?

So how did Storm's team go back in time to stop Legion, in Legion Quest?

With the help of someone increasing his power, didn't he do something to that extent? ... Or am I thinking of when they went up against Onslaughts herald, Post, and tried getting back to themansion.

Maybe you're right... It might be my old age.

[The Lucky One]

Val knows about Sinister... he once impersonated her ex-husband and then X-Factor fought he and the Nasty Boys, so she at least know he exists. And Havok was on the X-Men immediately after the Mutant Massacre and during Inferno, so I'd imagine she knows about Sinister's involvement in those. Whether she knows any details of his actual origin, though, is questionable.

-D

[Red Lotus]

Gambit powers here came pretty close to the time-delay charges that Fabian gave him in his first ongoing.

[rwsmith]

So how did Storm's team go back in time to stop Legion, in Legion Quest?

With the help of someone increasing his power, didn't he do something to that extent? ... Or am I thinking of when they went up against Onslaughts herald, Post, and tried getting back to themansion.

Maybe you're right... It might be my old age.

Must be, 'cause Gateway's powers have nothing to do with time travel. Just teleportation.

Not that I think he's a particularly great character anyway, but, again, that's just my opinion.

Nice try, though.;)

[Vegetarian Goat]

This issue was fantastic. But, i really hope that Carey does something to explain Gambit's motivation here- i just can't reconcile his current behavior with any other version of the character. He's usually been shown as the hero despite how others perceive him. Either way, it's fun to see him as a bad dude.

[streator]

what happened with iceman's powers?

were northstar, bishop and angel in this issue at all?

[Volk1]

Are the Witness and Quiet Bill mutants?

And did they still have their powers before being killed?

[Omega Alpha]

Until it's shown in a book, I'll hold reservations. Tony Stark, Captain America, and others have never mentioned Sinister over the years. If they knew of his crimes in the Mutant Masscre, he would be a top target for them to capture. I think Thor knows of him because of his involvement in MM but since Sinister pretty much walked away unscathed without having to face Thor, I doubt it was pursued.

Again, why would Xavier not mention Sinister? And the Avengers and Fantastic Four have Doom, Galactus, Kang, Ultron, Nefaria, Mole Man, Puppet Master, Mad Thinker, Red Skull, Loki, the Skrulls and the Kree, the Mandarin, etc, to worry about, not to mention even Magneto and Apocalypse are easier targets to find and have more reasons to make them concerned then Sinister. And, let's face it, the other teams didn't do anything to help after Genosha was destroyed, so avenge the genocide of the Morlocks wasn't their first priority.

Mister Sinister knows how to cover his tracks. Even if S.H.I.E.L.D. found out from Xavier's computers, they would not believe him because the organization has zero evidence to back it up. For all intents & purposes, on paper, Mister Sinister does not exist. S.H.I.E.L.D. should have doubts about Sinister, Apocalypse, the Shadow King all because they can find no proof of these villains have ever existed.

They knew Apocalypse exist. The fact his giant ship appeared in the middle of New York and he fought X-factor a few times right in the middle of the city is evidence enough. But because of Stark, SHIELD now knows about both the Shadow King and Sinister.

Even if they know about him, its very little if anything at all. Its not like Xavier was even there for Sinister's early appearances, so he wouldn't even know everything. You can recall Xavier not knowing much about Sinister around the time he warned Scott about the Legacy virus.

Plus, Sinister has rarely confronted the X Men as a whole since. He's only confronted individuals like Cyclops and Gambit. He's not like Apocalypse in that regard.

Xavier knows everything the X-men know, and i'm sure they updated him about Sinister.

[streator]

Are the Witness and Quiet Bill mutants?

And did they still have their powers before being killed?

they were mutants. i think they were both still powered too.

edit: according to wikipedia, though, neither witness or quiet bill is on the 198 list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_198

so maybe they were depowered.

[ProfeZZor X]

what happened with iceman's powers?

were northstar, bishop and angel in this issue at all?

Bobby's powers went haywire after he slept with Mystique... We'll get an explanation on exactly what happened to him in the next issue.

I have a feeling the Wonder Twins will make an entrance sometime before the end of this arc. Only because they've been gone far too long. And why else would Carey go through the trouble of creating that story in the annual specifically about them, unless he had a plan for them in the near future... which is right about now.

[Red Lotus]

why is pan in that screen? has it been explained? ddint he lose his powers?? i loved this issue, what a twist at the end. almost as action packed as transformers.

I was wondering if that part happen before Pan lost his powers.

[Omega Alpha]

I was wondering if that part happen before Pan lost his powers.

Yes, all ES will be set before X-men #200, i believe.

[Anna]

they were mutants. i think they were both still powered too.

edit: according to wikipedia, though, neither witness or quiet bill is on the 198 list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_198

so maybe they were depowered.



Bill said that he "used to be called Quiet Bill" so I'm guessing he was depowered.


Don't take Wiki as set in stone. It includes some people who are not 100% confirmed as powered.

[Nyssane]

Pssh, I doubt any of the writers pay attention to who's depowered anymore.

[Anna]

Pssh, I doubt any of the writers pay attention to who's depowered anymore.



If you see them using their powers, they're powered. If you see them saying they're depowered, they're depowered. If you see them using technology, they're depowered.

[Nyssane]

If you see them using their powers, they're powered. If you see them saying they're depowered, they're depowered. If you see them using technology, they're depowered.

Yeah, but if a writer wants to use a character and have them powered, I doubt anyone's going to be like "HEY WAITAMINUTE." Besides, mutants are showing up powered all the time. Senyaka was just shown powered in Cable & Deadpool.

Mutants in the minority my ahss.

[jarrod]

Pssh, I doubt any of the writers pay attention to who's depowered anymore.
Can't remember where, but I think I read editorial keeps a master list of confirmed powered/decimated for the writers to refer to. Obviously there's some wiggle room as not everyone's confirmed on either list though.

[Faded]

Did anyone else think Emma's outfit was pretty fug? I mentioned this one MC's board, but a lavendar latex coat with fur?!?!? Did Kitty Pryde make that outfit?!

Pssh, I doubt any of the writers pay attention to who's depowered anymore.

Hopefully not.

I don't want to see Unuscione show up in #202 with a backpack that recreates her exoskeleton or something. Ewano!

Pulse is from Kentucky?

LOL I looooove you. :D

[Red Lotus]

Yes, all ES will be set before X-men #200, i believe.

That pretty much make Beast look bad. Beast knew about Pan and didn't warn the other X-men.

[Elias Bogan]

Bobby's powers went haywire after he slept with Mystique... We'll get an explanation on exactly what happened to him in the next issue.

I have a feeling the Wonder Twins will make an entrance sometime before the end of this arc. Only because they've been gone far too long. And why else would Carey go through the trouble of creating that story in the annual specifically about them, unless he had a plan for them in the near future... which is right about now.

How awesome would it be for the remainder of the arc to see Cannonball and Iceman leading an emergency team of Husk, Northstar, Aurora, Angel and Bishop?

[Faded]

Northstar (and Anole, too! It'd be cute to see him take orders from JP, "yes, Mr. Beaubier" while constantly flinching.)! I definitely think Bishop's gonna need some protection. Ooooh...the ES oneshot ties in again!

[DDM]

Yeah, but he appeared in the flesh before the United Nations in that same storyline, so I'm pretty sure THAT would qualify.

In any case, I find it unlikely that SHIELD does not know about all of these villains. There have just been far too many things that have happened that involve characters with ties to SHIELD. X-Factors base for a long time was a ship that belonged to Apocalypse. It is unlikely SHIELD didn't have info and intel on that.
Even if all they had WAS rumors from data taken from Xaviers files, it's SHIELDS job to take these rumors seriously rather than discard them. This isn't the FBI and the X Files where they have unexplained phenomena that they generally ignore or brush off as unclassifiable.

SHIELD knows. It truly is a question of WHAT they know.

S.H.I.E.L.D. knew nothing of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle & that the Hellfire Club had double agents working as S.H.I.E.L.D. agents (see Uncanny X-Men #182 when the Hellfire double agents frame Rogue for a man's death). Therefore, I seriously doubt S.H.I.E.L.D. really knows anything substantive of Mister Sinister, Apocalypse, & especially the Shadow King.

[Nyssane]

Did anyone else think Emma's outfit was pretty fug? I mentioned this one MC's board, but a lavendar latex coat with fur?!?!? Did Kitty Pryde make that outfit?!

God yes, that was AWFUL. But really, anything Emma puts on isn't exactly couture.

[ProfeZZor X]

How awesome would it be for the remainder of the arc to see Cannonball and Iceman leading an emergency team of Husk, Northstar, Aurora, Angel and Bishop?

As far as we know, they will be recruiting the aid of other X-Men to defeat the Marauders. After all, they couldn't possibly defeat them on their own, especially when Bobby's powers are unreliable.

[We R. Venom]

How awesome would it be for the remainder of the arc to see Cannonball and Iceman leading an emergency team of Husk, Northstar, Aurora, Angel and Bishop?

It would be one of my favorite comics ever.

[Pach!]

S.H.I.E.L.D. knew nothing of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle & that the Hellfire Club had double agents working as S.H.I.E.L.D. agents (see Uncanny X-Men #182 when the Hellfire double agents frame Rogue for a man's death). Therefore, I seriously doubt S.H.I.E.L.D. really knows anything substantive of Mister Sinister, Apocalypse, & especially the Shadow King.

But they all saw Apocalypse!

[jarrod]

How awesome would it be for the remainder of the arc to see Cannonball and Iceman leading an emergency team of Husk, Northstar, Aurora, Angel and Bishop?
So, so hot. The only way it get any better would be to add Karma on top!

[Pach!]

So, so hot. The only way it get any better would be to add Karma on top!

That sounds soooo perfect. The only way it would improve is if Bishop gets shot or something.

[jarrod]

That sounds soooo perfect. The only way it would be improve is if Bishop gets shot or something.
Yep... offing Cable & Bishop, send Nocturne to Exiles and leave us with Rachel (Summers, not Grey!) as the only time traveling X-Man again. :D

[Alex A Sanchez]

For everyone's information, That's not Mr. Sinister on the monitors, that's Colossus with a diamond on his forehead.



My LCS switched banks. No longer take Discover. So my brother can't get my comics til tommorow. :(

How old are you? Why can't you buy your own comics?


Adds to the thrill of it. Just ask Warren and Paige.

-D

Awesome! I love it.

Meh. Mystique going traitor was predicted 189537 years before the actual issue. It would have been (in my opinion) a lot better if she hadn't deserted.

Yeah, but in this issue it made it seem as if she was masterminding the attack. Is she in charage of the Mauraders this time around or is it Sinister? And just think: her and Lady Mastermind were in cahoots the whole time. Right? Or did Mystique get to her during their time together as X-men? I need to reread these issues to see exactly who influenced the creation of this team.


All I can say is he better get with his artist cus that is the worst rendition of mojo I have ever seen.

Back in the day, Mojo's wires were drawn very thin, to look like hair. Its just a more classic rendition of the character.

[samil87]

Okay ICEF you totally owe me an "I told you so" about the Emma Frost thing, and I'm happy that you were right (Emma akes an excellent good 'guy'). I'm guessing the idea behind the Marauders cover is that Regan is hiding the other Marauders and Emma is unaware of them being there?
Anyway this issue rocked, Mike Carey's best issue so far and that's saying something, if Marvel are smart they'll kleep him on the X-books for as long as he's willing to stay.
Finally Emma dressed like a normal person, so glad the Morrison version of her didn't last (with three pieces of material (not) protecting her modesty :rolleyes: ). The Rogue flashback was great. Still can't believe Mystique shot Rogue, she's going to be okay right?
I love the fact that Regan can be a villain and a total cow and I still love her, she is one of the best parts of Carey's run for me.
So we still don't know who was killed in this issue yet, could be Rogue or Cable really. *crosses fingers* please let it be Cable ;) Given where Mystique shot her it has to be Rogue, I know that I'm just finding it really hard to accept ;)

[Alex A Sanchez]

How awesome would it be for the remainder of the arc to see Cannonball and Iceman leading an emergency team of Husk, Northstar, Aurora, Angel and Bishop?
Warren and Paige on a team together again? Could be interesting.


Did anyone else think Emma's outfit was pretty fug? I mentioned this one MC's board, but a lavendar latex coat with fur?!?!? Did Kitty Pryde make that outfit?!



I actually liked her outfit. It was more "cute" than "sexy", but I liked it.

[Hi-Fi]

I keep rereading the last pages of the issue. Emma being ambushed and Lady Mastermind's trick... just perfect. Rogue...so sad.

[samil87]

I just read it about 10mins ago and still have the last page open (still haven't even read Endagered species yet lol), I really can't believe it. I don't <3 Mystique any more :(

[Pach!]

Is it wrong that in my deluded mind Mystique is still playing double agent and is actually pretending to be with Sinister just to get information on what's happening and at the end of the day she will be "Judas" to Sinister "Messiah Complex".

And Lady M needs to stay in the spotlight, as a villain,as an x-man, it doesn't matter.

[Flight]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but am I missing something with the Emma Frost thing?
Why is she on the Marauders cover? Has Carey explained this?

[Hi-Fi]

Is it wrong that in my deluded mind Mystique is still playing double agent and is actually pretending to be with Sinister just to get information on what's happening and at the end of the day she will be "Judas" to Sinister "Messiah Complex".

And Lady M needs to stay in the spotlight, as a villain,as an x-man, it doesn't matter.
Nah, I'm still on the fence about Mystique's intentions.

And I agree, though I prefer Lady M as a villain. I love her 1000 times better after this issue.

Sorry if this has been discussed, but am I missing something with the Emma Frost thing?
Why is she on the Marauders cover? Has Carey explained this?
No explanation was given.

FLIGHT!!! Did you like it??

[Flight]

How old are you? Why can't you buy your own comics? How dare you ask such a personal question.
Beast is unable to get to a comic book store and thats all you need to goddamn know.

[Elias Bogan]

The more I think about it and the more I read the final pages of 200, the closer I come to the same conclusion: Rogue was indeed killed and died but it's only to do what Claremont intended for Psylocke in XXM.

And I keep thinking about what this team might consist of post-crossover. Axel Alonso confirmed that some books were ending but I highly doubt that they would cancel with Uncanny or Adjectiveless. Moreover, it doesn't seem like Brubaker is very long for his book. So given all the hints and sort I think it's safe to say that Cannonball, Husk, Northstar and Aurora will all be the team post-crossover.

[MartinRedmond]

God yes, that was AWFUL. But really, anything Emma puts on isn't exactly couture.

That's probably the colorists choice. Comic colorists still have trouble rendering cool clothes or non shiny looking ones for the most part.

[samil87]

The only thing I can think of is that she's not supposed to know they're there, Regan looks like she's using her powers, so maybe it's to do with the ambush, i.e. like in the actual issue Emma is amongst them (not with them though) but even as a telepath can't tell that they are there. Possibly it's to give the idea that it's difficult to tell who and even where the villains actually are.

[Keith_Martineau]

S.H.I.E.L.D. knew nothing of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle & that the Hellfire Club had double agents working as S.H.I.E.L.D. agents (see Uncanny X-Men #182 when the Hellfire double agents frame Rogue for a man's death). Therefore, I seriously doubt S.H.I.E.L.D. really knows anything substantive of Mister Sinister, Apocalypse, & especially the Shadow King.

That was then, this is now, and being infiltrated by an organization is not the same thing as not knowing things about the organization. It's their job to know, and to find out. Obviously doesn't mean they know everything.

I am in no way saying that SHIELD knows all and sees all. I'm saying it's highly unlikely that they don't know SOME things about these groups. Many people have brought up numerous points about Val Cooper, Xaviers files from Operation Zero Tolerance and the like. Info-gathering government organizations are supposed to share information, so while they certainly may not take O.N.E. or the FBI's information as gospel, it is also wrong to say that they would utterly discounting it simply because THEY didn't find it or don't immediately have more evidence.

And on the Shadow King front, Nick Fury certainly knows he exists, and he was head of SHIELD, purely from even his limited involvement with Mystique, Val Cooper and that russian Colonel during the Muir Island Saga.

For someone as text book knowledgable as yourself, I'm surprised you are fighting this so much.

[Flight]

FLIGHT!!! Did you like it?? It was just shining it me in the comic book store...
I ran home and read it and my heart kept sinking at how f**ked Mike Carey wants these characters to get.
Why didn't Frost know that Mystique & Lady M were traitors? What a rubbish telepath!

Nice full page Gambit. Sunfire acted a bit odd.
Sinister must be offering certain people certain things.

Can't work out why Mystique would tell the X-Men they were being ambushed if she was one of them. What is she playing at?
Rogue will have to absorb Wolverine now.
Anyone got those 10 Wizard clues again?

[samil87]

Actually I've had another thought on the cover (2 thought in a few minutes that's very dangerous for me ;) ) maybe it's because Emma inadvertently helped the Marauders get the jump on the X-Men by making Rogue sleep, in a way she seperated Rogue from the rest of the team and made her an easier target. She helped with the suprise part of their attack without even meaning to.
In answer to Flight maybe Mystique was trying to divide the team by telling them that a sensor was tripped outside when she knew they were already in the house or maybe she's still with the good guys, who knows lol.

[Affinity]

MY COVER FELL OFF!!!! I was admiring it and WHOOSH the book just flopped off the cover!

Any ideas how I can reattach it??

ALSO here Flight:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004251133.cfm

[Omega Alpha]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but am I missing something with the Emma Frost thing?
Why is she on the Marauders cover? Has Carey explained this?

He haven't, but from what we have seen, it's not Emma, it's Malice who was shown to be on the cover (and is with the Marauders) despite the fact she doesn't appear on that form in the issue.

Is it wrong that in my deluded mind Mystique is still playing double agent and is actually pretending to be with Sinister just to get information on what's happening and at the end of the day she will be "Judas" to Sinister "Messiah Complex".


I think it is. First of all, who ever was known to be a traitor when be betrayed the bad guys? Judas and Brutus are the most known traitors of all time, and who they betrayed? If they betrayed the bad guys, they would have been known as heroes. And second, it seems that Mystique just joined the X-men to do exactly this. Her motivations to join, or how Milligan presented them, were completely OOC, now we know they are false.

[Nyssane]

MY COVER FELL OFF!!!! I was admiring it and WHOOSH the book just flopped off the cover!

Any ideas how I can reattach it??

ALSO here Flight:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004251133.cfm

LMAO. That's all I have to say.

[Pach!]

MY COVER FELL OFF!!!! I was admiring it and WHOOSH the book just flopped off the cover!

Any ideas how I can reattach it??

ALSO here Flight:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004251133.cfm

My middle page came off it's lower staple! :( I'm guessing it's because of the quantity of pages.

[Affinity]

Can someone who frequents Mike's message board ask about the blonde on the Ramos cover? Maybe not looking for "IS IT EMMA?" but rather "Can we decipher who it is after reading issue 200?". I really don't want to believe its Malice, that's a dumb red herring.

[Flight]

MY COVER FELL OFF!!!! I was admiring it and WHOOSH the book just flopped off the cover!
Any ideas how I can reattach it??

ALSO here Flight:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004251133.cfm Thanks my little snugglebunnie!!
My middle page came out of the staples too. I was gutted.

[Cayman]

Stop admiring so hard!

[Affinity]

LOL! That sucks, I guess the two staples aren't enough for all the pages, then.

And I wasn't even admiring that heard! Just unfolding the pages and BRRRKKKOOOOOOOM it falls on the dining room table.

[Flight]

And second, it seems that Mystique just joined the X-men to do exactly this. Her motivations to join, or how Milligan presented them, were completely OOC, now we know they are false. Yes, I agree
And remember in the Children of the Vault arc, Cable did say to her that in his timeline, the word "Mystique" meant traitor...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, well. Finally got the thing.

Good read. Impossible to rate the book's content/plot yet, but I really liked how the scenes played out.

Too bad Emma seems to get owned awfully easily these days, but oh well, it's the guest-starring good guys' lot, I suppose.

Just a question...

What the hell is up with the pin-ups of Sabes and Ems??? Of all people??? Whatever happened to picking people who get to do stuff in an issue and/or haven't, ya know, disappeared? :D

[Beast]

That pretty much make Beast look bad. Beast knew about Pan and didn't warn the other X-men.
No. Carey said that this is after the X-Men's encounter with Pandemic.

But that Pandemic got out of the fugue state created by Lady M and repowered himself.

[Beast]

How old are you? Why can't you buy your own comics?
Well, no need to be rude. Not that it's any of your business. But the comic shop is on the way over to my house. It saves a trip this way, if he picks it up when he's on his way over.

[The Lucky One]

Regarding Emma- it's entirely possible Malice will switch from Karima to Emma sometime before the storyline is over. With Karima, it might be fairly easy for Scalphunter (with his technoforming ability) or Sinister to rewire her to gain her loyalty, allowing Malice to transfer to Emma. Remember, that cover also showed some X-Men who haven't entered the fray yet.

-D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Honestly, I'd rather she goes down than Nova redux...

[Kalen O.]

As to Mystique's intentions and the whole 'who gets known for being a traitor by betraying the bad guys'....remember that Cable's Judas reference came from 2000 years in the future, and he made a point to say it was just a vague reference, and he didnt know any details. The phrase 'history is written by the victors' comes to mind here. I mean, Cable's future wasn't exactly a pleasant one. Its entirely possible that in his future, Sinister and the bad guys DID win the Messiah Complex race or whatever. In that case, its entirely possible that the winning 'regime' or however you want to call it did in fact, refer to Mystique as a Judas.

Also remember...Sinister, like most villains, doesn't consider himself evil. He considers himself outside such moral boundaries, and as such, those labels don't apply to him and his actions. His only concerns are his science and his end goals, they're his religion so to speak, and the only thing worth pursuing, in his mind. So if Mystique were to endanger his pursuit of his 'religion' by betraying him and rejoining the X-Men, a Judas is exactly what he'd call her, IMO.

[sifon]

Considering his name is Sinister you would think he would know hes bad.

[ProfeZZor X]

No. Carey said that this is after the X-Men's encounter with Pandemic.

But that Pandemic got out of the fugue state created by Lady M and repowered himself.

I wonder how he could have repowered himself if Bobby destroyed his life's work.

[Slant]

Sinister isn't stupid though. Mystique isn't just a Marauder, she's actually leading them. Plus, he wouldn't have Mystique join the X Men unless there was some certainty on his part. Considering those two points, if anything, I'd say she's getting something out of this.

I'd hate to see Mystique be some sort of double agent, as it wouldn't make since on Sinister's part. He's much smarter than that.

[Hi-Fi]

Maybe Sinister promised Mystique he would cure Rogue or something silly like that?

And the she shot her? Oops.

[Omega Alpha]

Regarding Emma- it's entirely possible Malice will switch from Karima to Emma sometime before the storyline is over. With Karima, it might be fairly easy for Scalphunter (with his technoforming ability) or Sinister to rewire her to gain her loyalty, allowing Malice to transfer to Emma. Remember, that cover also showed some X-Men who haven't entered the fray yet.


Not necessarily all of them will enter the fray at all. And since this new Malice is a computer program, it can't dominate people, at least not theorically. Plus, the ES one-shot takes place after this story, and doesn't indicate anything wrong with Emma, so it's even more unlikely.

Considering his name is Sinister you would think he would know hes bad.

Yeah, next thing people will say no one can know for sure if the Masters of Evil are the bad guys...

And if Cable came from a future ruled by Apocalypse, then Sinister clearly didn't won.

[Monty_Cristo]

Sinister isn't stupid though. Mystique isn't just a Marauder, she's actually leading them. Plus, he wouldn't have Mystique join the X Men unless there was some certainty on his part. Considering those two points, if anything, I'd say she's getting something out of this.

I'd hate to see Mystique be some sort of double agent, as it wouldn't make since on Sinister's part. He's much smarter than that.

if he's so smart, why did he unleash the legacy virus?

[ProfeZZor X]

Maybe Sinister promised Mystique he would cure Rogue or something silly like that?

And the she shot her? Oops.

But that defies all logic. Mystique was already with the X-Men before Rogue took on Strain 88. And Rogue was supposedly keeping a tight watch on Mystique for any diviation from her new "girl scout" character. So even if Sinister promised Mystique a cure for Rogue, then why would she shoot her and make matters worse?

But what really gets me, is that Mystique is exceedingly crafty, and a bit of a loose cannon. So why would Sinister employ her in the first place? Not only that, but why would he send in the Marauders to kill the X-Men, when at the very same time, barter with Beast to gain top secret information?... It make no sense whatsoever. But I guess MC knows what he's doing.

[Kalen O.]

And if Cable came from a future ruled by Apocalypse, then Sinister clearly didn't won.

Sinister didn't win the war, but again, that's two thousand years into the future. There's room for him to win a battle or two in there. And yeah, he calls himself Mr. Sinister, but that's the whole point. He thinks he's above such distinctions, and laughs at them. The only thing that matters to him is his science. Murder an entire subspecies of people, and he won't blink an eye. But betray HIM and his cause, and that's a sin in his book.

[Hi-Fi]

I wanna know how and when thery recruited Lady Mastermind, since Mike said she joined the Marauders later at the game.

I'm guessing:

Rogue's house.

Mystique: "So, wanna join my group and kill the X-Men? It's happening in five minutes".
Regan (puts Absolut bottle down): "Meh, sure, why not?"

[Slant]

There was also the time when Lady M/Karima were together after Malice took her over.

[Flight]

There was also the time when Lady M/Karima were together after Malice took her over. Yes, I think it was Malice who recruited Lady M in the house about 5 mins before the throwdown took place.
Check the page where Mystique shouts at Ema Frost "You mean she's going insane?!"
Malice/Sentinel & Lady M walk in together, faces shadowed out. Next panel they're huddled together staring at the group and then the next shot they are close walkingaway together.

Oh, and the whole thing about Mystique making Iceman lose his powers...
I presumed it was that Marauder with the gun who did something to him when he shot him 3rd panel into the big fight. He ices up and then after that he can't manage too.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Not necessarily all of them will enter the fray at all. And since this new Malice is a computer program, it can't dominate people, at least not theorically. Plus, the ES one-shot takes place after this story, and doesn't indicate anything wrong with Emma, so it's even more unlikely.

I tought ES took place before BBTL.

Surely, the one-shot wouldn't take place everything else ES-related.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

if he's so smart, why did he unleash the legacy virus?

He was tricked. Stryfe was behind it though.

Considering his name is Sinister you would think he would know hes bad.

His name is Sinister because his wife called him that when she was condemning the kind of man he had become at the end of the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix.

[Pach!]

Yes, I think it was Malice who recruited Lady M in the house about 5 mins before the throwdown took place.
Check the page where Mystique shouts at Ema Frost "You mean she's going insane?!"
Malice/Sentinel & Lady M walk in together, faces shadowed out. Next panel they're huddled together staring at the group and then the next shot they are close walkingaway together.

Oh, and the whole thing about Mystique making Iceman lose his powers...
I presumed it was that Marauder with the gun who did something to him when he shot him 3rd panel into the big fight. He ices up and then after that he can't manage too.

I agree with the Malice thing, but I think Iceman's depowering was before that. When Logan is all "Ice up, Drake"I think Iceman was already having trouble.

[samil87]

I thought that was just a "way to over act it Mystique" look, or who cares if she's nuts we're going to kill her in a couple of minutes anyway ;)
Lady M masking the Marauders seemed like part of the ambush plan so I don't think she was recruited by Malice. Since Mystique is the Marauders leader maybe she recruited her at some point.

[Hi-Fi]

Mystique is such a b*tch. The whole "Cyclops, sorry to intrrupt, but my alarms got something..."

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Where's all this comedy of Mystique leading the Marauders? The Marauders work for one man and one man alone...Nathaniel Essex. Raven knows better than to get out of line with him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mystique is such a b*tch. The whole "Cyclops, sorry to intrrupt, but my alarms got something..."

*Happy visions of Cyke offing Mystique during the crossover...*

Essex is a big no-no and, seriously, having Rogue do it would just take the melodrama to mind-numbing (pun intended) heights...

[Monty_Cristo]

Where's all this comedy of Mystique leading the Marauders? The Marauders work for one man and one man alone...Nathaniel Essex. Raven knows better than to get out of line with him.

Sinister is not a field-leader.

[Affinity]

I wonder how he could have repowered himself if Bobby destroyed his life's work.

He doesn't need to be repowered; he's still got his mind, right? Damaged as it may be he's knowledgeable in genetics and all that so it can't hurt asking him.

Maybe Sinister promised Mystique he would cure Rogue or something silly like that?

And the she shot her? Oops.

I could see Mystique totally doing that (what's it called? Quid pro quos? Lols Genie in Aladdin). Hm, you know how the Marauders always come back after dying, with the cloned bodies? Maybe Sinister will give Rogue a new, cloned body made from her cells before Strain 88 and maybe before Sunfire powers! I don't know, just spouting ideas.

Not necessarily all of them will enter the fray at all. And since this new Malice is a computer program, it can't dominate people, at least not theorically. Plus, the ES one-shot takes place after this story, and doesn't indicate anything wrong with Emma, so it's even more unlikely.

I believe the ENTIRETY of Endangered Species (including the back up stories?) takes place before X-Men #200.

<SNIP>

But what really gets me, is that Mystique is exceedingly crafty, and a bit of a loose cannon. So why would Sinister employ her in the first place? Not only that, but why would he send in the Marauders to kill the X-Men, when at the very same time, barter with Beast to gain top secret information?... It make no sense whatsoever. But I guess MC knows what he's doing.

Maybe we can guess that Beast refused to cooperate with Sinister and so the Marauders are there to kill the X-Men afterwards.

I wanna know how and when thery recruited Lady Mastermind, since Mike said she joined the Marauders later at the game.

I'm guessing:

Rogue's house.

Mystique: "So, wanna join my group and kill the X-Men? It's happening in five minutes".
Regan (puts Absolut bottle down): "Meh, sure, why not?"

LOLOL IT WAS SOOOOO ABSOLUT I saw that too! That line is so Regan, btw. Not like she has anything better to do!

Yes, I think it was Malice who recruited Lady M in the house about 5 mins before the throwdown took place.
Check the page where Mystique shouts at Ema Frost "You mean she's going insane?!"
Malice/Sentinel & Lady M walk in together, faces shadowed out. Next panel they're huddled together staring at the group and then the next shot they are close walkingaway together.

Oh! Right, totally. Ramos has tht that whole page filled with those two where you don't really need them at all. Ie. Scott and Emma talking ("Can you do it here and now?") did NOT need to be seen through the gap behind Regan and Malice. They totally steal that scene randomly,lolol.

I tought ES took place before BBTL.

Surely, the one-shot wouldn't take place everything else ES-related.

Yup! The one-shot AND all the back up stories, too.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sinister is not a field-leader.

I know that but the head honchos in this thing is Sinister and Exodus. Confirmed by Carey himself. I just thought it was a little amusing how a few were thinking that Mystique was in charge of Sinister's mercenaries without his go ahead.

[streator]

did sabretooth appear in this issue at all?

[Affinity]

did sabretooth appear in this issue at all?

Nope. I think they established that he escaped from the Conquistador last issue before Cable destroyed it, and its being followed up on in Wolverine I believe.

[samil87]

Why would it be important to Mystique for her to shoot Rogue? I'm thinking Cable is dead and Rogue is alive (I don't know I'm sure Mystique has lots of special bullets-work with me here ;) ). I'm not saying Mystique is about to double cross Sinister or is a double agent or anything, I think she wanted to make it appear that she had taken Rogue out so none of the Marauders attempted to kill her as they would assume she was already dead.
I think her feelings for Rogue are genuine, she wouldn't murder her.
Probably completely wrong but it'll help me to sleep until 201 ;)

[Joe Franklin]

Nope. I think they established that he escaped from the Conquistador last issue before Cable destroyed it, and its being followed up on in Wolverine I believe.

This makes me afraid that my favorite mutant character Sabretooth is not going to make it out of the pages of Wolverine alive.:(

I sure hope that Claremont keeps Sabretooth around in Exiles, or I am really going to be sad.:(

[Sentou Ryoku]

Mystique shooting Rogue leaves the possibility open that her shot was meant to be non-fatal whereas if Scalphunter were to be one to shoot her, she'd be dead.

[Hi-Fi]

Mystique shooting Rogue leaves the possibility open that her shot was meant to be non-fatal whereas if Scalphunter were to be one to shoot her, she'd be dead.
That's what I'm thinking. She took Rogue down "safely". But c'mon, she shot her in the chest!

[Syzygy]

Why would it be important to Mystique for her to shoot Rogue? I'm thinking Cable is dead and Rogue is alive (I don't know I'm sure Mystique has lots of special bullets-work with me here ;) ). I'm not saying Mystique is about to double cross Sinister or is a double agent or anything, I think she wanted to make it appear that she had taken Rogue out so none of the Marauders attempted to kill her as they would assume she was already dead.
I think her feelings for Rogue are genuine, she wouldn't murder her.
Probably completely wrong but it'll help me to sleep until 201 ;)

Sinister could have "made her an offer she couldn't refuse" and forced her to work for him. Possibly, she's been furiously scheming to come up with a special plan to save the X-Men and triple cross Sinister.

No evidence, just pure speculation. Also don't think Mysty would have any problems killing either Rogue or the X-Men, but she'd do it for her reasons, not Sinisters.

[caney]

That's what I'm thinking. She took Rogue down "safely". But c'mon, she shot her in the chest!

You always hurt the ones you love the most? :p

[samil87]

Maybe she has a gun that fires tranquilisers and paint balls all at the same time? Nope? Even I think I'm reaching now ;)

[streator]

Nope. I think they established that he escaped from the Conquistador last issue before Cable destroyed it, and its being followed up on in Wolverine I believe.

oh.

i hope he appears in x-men again at some point.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Do you think what Mystique did was for the best?

I mean if you think about it, Rogue is crazy, if she touches ANYONE she'll kill them, knocking her unconscious (she isn't dead, danger slammed a giant lawn dart through kitty and piotor and they're both alive....for now) may have been the best way to keep her out of it.

[Beast]

You always hurt the ones you love the most? :p
No, that's Mike Carey's excuse for hurting Rogue and Beast. :D

[Beast]

Do you think what Mystique did was for the best?

I mean if you think about it, Rogue is crazy, if she touches ANYONE she'll kill them, knocking her unconscious (she isn't dead, danger slammed a giant lawn dart through kitty and piotor and they're both alive....for now) may have been the best way to keep her out of it.
Yeah, shooting someone square in the chest is often the best way of knocking someone out.

[Slant]

Do you think what Mystique did was for the best?


She shot her in the chest.

[caney]

No, that's Mike Carey's excuse for hurting Rogue and Beast. :D

And Bobby!!! You know he loves him (even if he doesn't admit it). :)

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

exactly Xwomen have extra padding in their chests...so its like shooting a pillow or some kind of space vacuum

[Beast]

And Bobby!!! You know he loves him (even if he doesn't admit it). :)
Mike Carey's gay for him. That's why he also feels that Bobby's gay. :D

[DDM]

Sinister could have "made her an offer she couldn't refuse" and forced her to work for him. Possibly, she's been furiously scheming to come up with a special plan to save the X-Men and triple cross Sinister.

No evidence, just pure speculation. Also don't think Mysty would have any problems killing either Rogue or the X-Men, but she'd do it for her reasons, not Sinisters.

Exactly. Mystique does not follow anyone; she leads. Her alligence to Sinister is suspect.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Exactly how many women does he have to sleep with to get you to "ungay" him?

Iceman isn't gay, Human Torch is the one that says "flame on"...not that you can turn it off

Anyway I think Ramos' art was actually good for a change and the preview pages for next issue look even better

[Pach!]

Mike Carey's gay for him. That's why he also feels that Bobby's gay. :D

Mike feels Bobby is gay? But didn't he just write him having sex with a woman?

[Beast]

Mike feels Bobby is gay? But didn't he just write him having sex with a woman?
He's chimed in on the whole gay thing in the past. At least supportive of bisexual and/or closeted.

And please, a 100 year old woman who can change into a guy isn't evidence to the contrary.

[Joe Zool]

Somebody (I don't know who, this thread is way too damn long for me to look up who) mentioned the possibility of Mystique being a clone or not being the real Mystique because of her "series."

Admittedly, this is a retcon, but hell, Mike Carey can retcon anything he likes. Here's my theory: The Mystique in her own series was really lying when she said "That was somebody else." I think Mike Carey retconned Mystique into being this double-agent all along, biding her time and aligning herself with the side of the "angels", in this case, the X-Men to gain their trust. She does nothing and nothing for a good, long while, laying all of her plans and then...

The result is X-200.

[Joe Zool]

Oh, and did I so call it on Cable or what? :cool:

[samil87]

Is it just me or does Cable's reluctant sacrifice kind of paralel a certain Messiah...?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

its just you Mohammed didnt have a glowing eye

[samil87]

As far as I know Mohammed didn't sacrifice himself either.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Cable didn't exactly walk on water or turn water into wine, heal the sick or anything.

He was more like a Captain that wouldn't abandon ship.

[SnakeEater]

He's chimed in on the whole gay thing in the past. At least supportive of bisexual and/or closeted.

And please, a 100 year old woman who can change into a guy isn't evidence to the contrary.

ive heard this mystique being old thing before. ive been around for a while but im more of a spiderman guy. is she really "old" and if so does she only look young because she can morph and look it or is there a specific reason?

[Jellobay]

I think the more people keep up with the Bobby/gay thing the more action he will get.
I really like the whole Mystique/Iceman relationship. It just sort of works for me. :)

[Beast]

ive heard this mystique being old thing before. ive been around for a while but im more of a spiderman guy. is she really "old" and if so does she only look young because she can morph and look it or is there a specific reason?
Yeah. She's really old. But an aspect of her shapeshifting pretty much keeps her from aging.

[DDM]

ive heard this mystique being old thing before. ive been around for a while but im more of a spiderman guy. is she really "old" and if so does she only look young because she can morph and look it or is there a specific reason?

Mystique is at least 150 years old. Her mutant power keeps her young since she has absolute control over her molecules.

[samil87]

Cable didn't exactly walk on water or turn water into wine, heal the sick or anything.

He was more like a Captain that wouldn't abandon ship.

Well he's an Omega level telekinetic so he could probably manage both ;) I meant more along the lines of sacrificing himself to save others and was kind of refernceing it in connection to the crossover. You're right though it probably is just me, what can I say I love to form crackpot theories which the writers inevitiably prove wrong ;)
Also, isn't the Iceman is gay discussion kind of controversial and usually avoided, we all know where it tends to lead...

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

ive heard this mystique being old thing before. ive been around for a while but im more of a spiderman guy. is she really "old" and if so does she only look young because she can morph and look it or is there a specific reason?

B/c she's a shape shifter she has a natural healing factor she was shown at the end of the 19th century in the old west.

As far as age goes she's older than Xavier, but as far as her body she can physically be a 20-30some old woman b/c her cells regenerate that fast

that was also the basis for the "that wasn't me" story in her solo series...some cosmetic company got ahold of her cells and since she's able to look flawless they tried to replicate that ability into a cream or something, but they were testing it on mutants. Raven shut them down, but it was suspected that a piece of her got away.

[SnakeEater]

B/c she's a shape shifter she has a natural healing factor she was shown at the end of the 19th century in the old west.

As far as age goes she's older than Xavier, but as far as her body she can physically be a 20-30some old woman b/c her cells regenerate that fast

that was also the basis for the "that wasn't me" story in her solo series...some cosmetic company got ahold of her cells and since she's able to look flawless they tried to replicate that ability into a cream or something, but they were testing it on mutants. Raven shut them down, but it was suspected that a piece of her got away.

when you said 19th century i was a little scared because i read Origin and wasnt wolverine a young lad there. jeez im glad they steered away having her in that series.

[Brian M.]

I think Cable dieing is fine now. After rereading over and over CnD#42 it would be kinda cheap I think if he didn't. He saved the ones he loved, no civilians died, he saved Wade and went out like hero.

[ProfeZZor X]

He's chimed in on the whole gay thing in the past. At least supportive of bisexual and/or closeted.

And please, a 100 year old woman who can change into a guy isn't evidence to the contrary.

In Mike's own typical cryptic fashion, he didn't specifically say that he thought Iceman was gay. Some time ago, he did mention that Bobby would go "Psychosexual", but from the looks of the prieview of #201, he doesn't look too distrought over his sexual encounter with Mystique.

[Hi-Fi]

Mike never said he thought Iceman was gay. He said he *could* see Bobby as bisexual.

By the way, I love Mike's Emma. Her lines when she's trying to help Rogue were great!

"Can I add a few stipulations about her accent and her choice in men?"

LOL!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Mike never said he thought Iceman was gay. He said he *could* see Bobby as bisexual.

By the way, I love Mike's Emma. Her lines when she's trying to help Rogue were great!

"Can I add a few stipulations about her accent and her choice in men?"

LOL!

lol that part was great everything his characters say is amazing he really 'gets' the characters and their voices

[Pach!]

lol that part was great everything his characters say is amazing he really 'gets' the characters and their voices

I actually think Emma is one of the only characters that is consistently written well which is probably what made her one of my favorite characters.

[Brian M.]

I still can't believe I'm ok w/ Cable dieing...

[Pach!]

I still can't believe I'm ok w/ Cable dieing...

That's because reading Cable and Deadpool 42 was quite cathartic*.

* Yes, I used that word.

[Beast]

I still can't believe I'm ok w/ Cable dieing...
I'm surprised you weren't crying that it should have been Emma. :D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Is he really dead or is it speculation?

And if he is? can we also hope that other time tripers like Bishop and Raquel will be dying off soon too?

Coming soon from Marvel comics and Brubaker in 2008....Mauraders...IN SPACE

lol

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, to be fair, there's something ironic about Emma lecturing anyone on their choice in men. ;)

[Hi-Fi]

I still can't believe I'm ok w/ Cable dieing...
I thought it was a nice send-off. He went out like a hero. He prevented Sunfire and Gambit from getting what they wanted. He got to say goodbye to Irene and Domino. And I loved his goodbye to Deadpool. So yeah, I enjoyed the way he went out.

By the way, it was really nice to see Cyclops trying to help Rogue by any means possible and asking Hank to keep trying. Dude's a natural leader indeed. Also liked how he automatically put Bobby as leader when they sensed danger (although I still think Sam has more experience).

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

LOL oh irony also the bit about her accent...if scott said "ok" Rogue might start saying things like "git" and "bloody"

[Pach!]

Well, to be fair, there's something ironic about Emma lecturing anyone on their choice in men. ;)

Really? She went straight for the boss. If anything she could probably give lectures about choosing men.

[Brian M.]

I thought it was a nice send-off. He went out like a hero. He prevented Sunfire and Gambit from getting what they wanted. He got to say goodbye to Irene and Domino. And I loved his goodbye to Deadpool. So yeah, I enjoyed the way he went out.

By the way, it was really nice to see Cyclops trying to help Rogue by any means possible and asking Hank to keep trying. Dude's a natural leader indeed. Also liked how he automatically put Bobby as leader when they sensed danger (although I still think Sam has more experience).

I was angry at first when I read #200, but after CnD it was just too good for me to be angry about.

Yea, I'm kinda hoping Scott put Bobby as leader b/c of his relationship w/ Bobby.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Really? She went straight for the boss. If anything she could probably give lectures about choosing men.

Well, we'll have to wait on this one, but it seems that she's with Cyke because she *likes* him rather than the betrayal/power trip thingy that was hinted at.

And, really, Cyke just isn't the poster boy for perfect boyfriend. :D

[ProfeZZor X]

I still can't believe I'm ok w/ Cable dieing...

Same here... No sweat off my back... Or sleepless nights.

As a matter of fact, I never liked him in the first place. It's just one less Summers to keep track of... In addition to Corsair. :D

Good riddance to the Summers lineage...

[SincereAgape]

"Pick a card, any card. For old 'times sake."

Gambit is officially cool again for at least one issue. Merci beaucoup M'sieur Mike Carey.

[Brian M.]

Same here... No sweat off my back... Or sleepless nights.

As a matter of fact, I never liked him in the first place. It's just one less Summers to keep track of... In addition to Corsair. :D


Well I was a huge fan of him and loved the book so maybe my prespective is a little different don't ya think?

[Pach!]

Well, we'll have to wait on this one, but it seems that she's with Cyke because she *likes* him rather than the betrayal/power trip thingy that was hinted at.

And, really, Cyke just isn't the poster boy for perfect boyfriend. :D
Oh I'm not saying she's a golddigger but she ain't messing .....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh I'm not saying she's a golddigger but she ain't messing .....

And I'm saying one would have to be a nutcase to date either Scott or Emma. :D

[ProfeZZor X]

Well I was a huge fan of him and loved the book so maybe my prespective is a little different don't ya think?

In that case, I'm sorry for your loss... :o

[Nyssane]

Random, but I love how in the big page battle between the Marauders, Vertigo is just staring at the reader all "yeah I'm not fighting anyone, what then?!"

[The Lucky One]

Not necessarily all of them will enter the fray at all. And since this new Malice is a computer program, it can't dominate people, at least not theorically. Plus, the ES one-shot takes place after this story, and doesn't indicate anything wrong with Emma, so it's even more unlikely.

....what?

Malice is not an "it," she's a her. She's a psychic entity who possesses people. In this particular case she did so via computer program, but she can still possess regular people; that's why Karima is shown with the standard Malice choker. Have you read any of her other appearances?

Also, as everyone has pointed out, the ES one-shot could easily take place before this, not after.

Also also, why would that matter? If she gets possessed by Malice in this arc, then freed by the end of it, why wouldn't she appear in ES hale and hearty anyway?

-D

[Hi-Fi]

Drew, did you enjoy this issue?

[The Lucky One]

Same here... No sweat off my back... Or sleepless nights.

As a matter of fact, I never liked him in the first place. It's just one less Summers to keep track of... In addition to Corsair. :D

Good riddance to the Summers lineage...

Whoa, whoa. Cable being gone is fine, but a plague on your house for speaking ill of Corsair and his boy. Corsair is the pimp daddy and Scott is his chosen successor; don't ever malign their names again, knave.

So I reread the issue just now and I couldn't help thinking two things:

1) Bachalo made it look cool anyway, but how much cooler it would have been if Gambit had reverted to his X-Treme X-Men costume instead of his original; and

2) What was Bobby talking about, with the "Remember how Rogue was when she first came to us" stuff? That's an untold story waiting to happen. When was the first time they met on panel? Sometime around Inferno, right? Because the X-Men only learned about X-Factor's true identities in the Mutant Massacre, and they didn't actually connect with each other until Inferno, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, though... anyone?

-D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Whoa, whoa. Cable being gone is fine, but a plague on your house for speaking ill of Corsair and his boy. Corsair is the pimp daddy and Scott is his chosen successor; don't ever malign their names again, knave.

So I reread the issue just now and I couldn't help thinking two things:

1) Bachalo made it look cool anyway, but how much cooler it would have been if Gambit had reverted to his X-Treme X-Men costume instead of his original; and

2) What was Bobby talking about, with the "Remember how Rogue was when she first came to us" stuff? That's an untold story waiting to happen. When was the first time they met on panel? Sometime around Inferno, right? Because the X-Men only learned about X-Factor's true identities in the Mutant Massacre, and they didn't actually connect with each other until Inferno, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, though... anyone?

-D

#1 no the xtreme xmen should be forgotten

#2 Rogue coming to the mansion happened long before the mutant massacre...someone needs to relearn his x history

[Hi-Fi]

2) What was Bobby talking about, with the "Remember how Rogue was when she first came to us" stuff? That's an untold story waiting to happen. When was the first time they met on panel? Sometime around Inferno, right? Because the X-Men only learned about X-Factor's true identities in the Mutant Massacre, and they didn't actually connect with each other until Inferno, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, though... anyone?

-D
Well, Iceman probably heard stories and read relatories about Rogue's first years with the X-Men. And Cyclops (kinda) was with the team when she joined. So that was more a message to Cyke, I think.

[Kalen O.]

2) What was Bobby talking about, with the "Remember how Rogue was when she first came to us" stuff? That's an untold story waiting to happen. When was the first time they met on panel? Sometime around Inferno, right? Because the X-Men only learned about X-Factor's true identities in the Mutant Massacre, and they didn't actually connect with each other until Inferno, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, though... anyone?

-D

Rogue showed up before X-Factor was formed, didn't she? Bobby hadn't been part of the team for awhile, being off at college, but I always figured he kept in touch, given that Scott and Jean had stayed with the team. I just assumed he knew Rogue back then, even if they didnt really interact til Inferno and the team mergings after that.

[Brian M.]

Well, Iceman probably heard stories and read relatories about Rogue's first years with the X-Men. And Cyclops (kinda) was with the team when she joined. So that was more a message to Cyke, I think.

If Bobby wasn't there when she joined, niether was Cyke. I think both were w/ X-Factor.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Regardless if they were in the actually Issue....Iceman has been around Rogue enough to know what she was going through...even if he wasn't there to experience the ms. marvel lunacy he was certainly there post-Legion Quest with her on that road trip

[The Lucky One]

Drew, did you enjoy this issue?

I did, absolutely. Scalphunter's taunt was great, the Marauders were a threat for the first time in... what, 20 years? And I really enjoyed the Gambit/Sunfire vs. Cable encounter. THAT'S the Gambit I'd like to see more of. And there's an element of mystery to it and the Marauders' targets, which I like.

It also convinced me more than ever that we need a Marvel Legends box set of the Marauders, but that's another issue.

-D

[Hi-Fi]

If Bobby wasn't there when she joined, niether was Cyke. I think both were w/ X-Factor.
Cyclops was there. Rogue was even in his wedding with Madelyne, remember? When they fought Maddy/Dark Phoenix/Mastermind, Rogue was there as well.

[caney]

Cyclops was there. Rogue was even in his wedding with Madelyne, remember? When they fought Maddy/Dark Phoenix/Mastermind, Rogue was there as well.

I think Bobby was in the background at the wedding too with Hank and Warren. Maybe that would be where he first met Rogue?

[The Lucky One]

#1 no the xtreme xmen should be forgotten

1) No, they shouldn't... sounds like someone needs to actually read the book. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet.

2) Even if they should, those who had superior costumes should keep them. Gambit's definitely qualifies.

#2 Rogue coming to the mansion happened long before the mutant massacre...someone needs to relearn his x history

Heh. Don't make me out-geek you, son. It's not pretty. ;)

-D

[Tazirai]

I don't know, that shot looked like it put her right next to Jean Grey...

This made me LOL in Real life.

[The Lucky One]

Cyclops was there. Rogue was even in his wedding with Madelyne, remember? When they fought Maddy/Dark Phoenix/Mastermind, Rogue was there as well.

Good point, I forgot about the wedding. Yeah, they would have met there. Well, THAT'S an untold story. The tale of how Rogue threw a wedding cake into orbit and defiled 3 groomsmen.

-D

[Beast]

1) No, they shouldn't... sounds like someone needs to actually read the book. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet.

2) Even if they should, those who had superior costumes should keep them. Gambit's definitely qualifies.

-D
Agreed. But Gambit's related to Mr. Sinister. Of course they share flamboyant taste in clothes. ;)

[Brian M.]

Cyclops was there. Rogue was even in his wedding with Madelyne, remember? When they fought Maddy/Dark Phoenix/Mastermind, Rogue was there as well.

Aw yes...I remember now

I think Bobby was in the background at the wedding too with Hank and Warren. Maybe that would be where he first met Rogue?

They probably were, no way they'd miss that

This made me LOL in Real life.

I'm glad I could entertain.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

1) No, they shouldn't... sounds like someone needs to actually read the book. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet.

2) Even if they should, those who had superior costumes should keep them. Gambit's definitely qualifies.



Heh. Don't make me out-geek you, son. It's not pretty. ;)

-D

I'm not a 'son' and of course you'd out-geek me, but much like Monet "there's v. little I don't know" ;)

[The Lucky One]

I'm not a 'son' and of course you'd out-geek me, but much like Monet "there's v. little I don't know" ;)

..."daughter"? Doesn't have the same ring to it.

But do you know "stuff"... that is the question.

-D

[rilokyle]

I thought it was a nice send-off. He went out like a hero. He prevented Sunfire and Gambit from getting what they wanted. He got to say goodbye to Irene and Domino. And I loved his goodbye to Deadpool. So yeah, I enjoyed the way he went out.

By the way, it was really nice to see Cyclops trying to help Rogue by any means possible and asking Hank to keep trying. Dude's a natural leader indeed. Also liked how he automatically put Bobby as leader when they sensed danger (although I still think Sam has more experience).

Wuh wuh wuh?!!?!?! I need to read the C&D #42 summary, don't I. Geeez I'm so out of the loop! I thought we were just assuming Cable died in X-Men #200. I didn't realize it was emphasized in C&D. That's sad! I was hoping he was still alive. :(

[CaptainCanada]

Imagine how difficult it must have been for Beast to arrange that conference call.

"The time was set at 8 PM."
"Yes, but Zola and Sugar Man aren't on screen yet, and I'm only giving this mournful speech once, so..."
"Doom waits for no man!"

[EmmaFrost]

Hahahaha, it sure is Canemacar's day. He's been waiting this for I don't know how long...LOL!!

I liked X-Men #200 too, but I sort of knew what was to be expected from my predictions. I did not read any spoilers beforehand!

And I just realized I haven't read the 8 page back up story yet. I can't believe I forgot about that! LOL!

[Fatguy]

I just got done reading, and I've been stearing clear of most spoilers, so Mystique's turn at the end definetly suprised me :eek: So, Sabertooth is evil, of course, and now Mystique and Lady Mastermind have turned on the team, and Omega Sentinel has been commandeered. Pretty much all of Carey's previous issues were villain set up issues it seems ;)

Awesome stuff, and dammit, Cable had better not be dead...

[EmmaFrost]

Yeah, I know!! I'll be really sad if Cable dies, and then I'd feel even more horrible for Scotty. First his father, now his son...err...future...son. :( Man, that's just bad.

I at first thought Mystique, Lady M, and Omega Sentinel were the 3 traitors...but then a few hours after reading it, I realized that OS got that computer possession or w/e. LOL.