Why can't some New Mutants, Gen Xer's be X-Men?

[Rolltideguy77]

So yeah I know most aren't even mutants any longer would be the main reason but cmon why not? I know we got Cannonball, Wolfsbane and M around but why not Sunspot, Penance, etc. I miss the New Mutants days I guess. Kinda wish they would form a team again with some Gen Xer's or X-Forcers mixed in. Warpath is ok I guess but I hope they do more with him.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I totally agree. I would much prefer to see some of the former youngsters progressing.

[Pach!]

They need to rescue Sunspot ASAP!

People need to acknowledge the fact that Karma is actually IN the mansion.

Magma I don't really care for. And Dani is in the initiative.

As for the GenXers. I think all the alive ones are in some book or will be soon...hopefully (husk!). I might be forgetting someone though.

[Brian M.]

Why can't they be X-Men? They become harder to kill.

[Rolltideguy77]

I had totally forgot Karma was there. Husk! I miss her! It's like you get all the old characters or you get kids. Where's the middle somethings love? There should at least be a limited series or something where New Mutants have to team up again to fight an old threat. They were some cool characters and I hate to see them languish in obscurity. Can someone post lists of all the former New Mutants/ X-Force/ Generation X members? I cannot recall them all to be able to discuss them.

[Dagger]

New Mutants still living:
Karma
Sunspot
Cannonball
Dani
Wolfsbane
Magma
Yana's back!!
Warlock
Rictor
Meltdown
Skids
Warpath
Shatterstar
Domino
Cable

Gen. Xer's still living:
Husk
M
Jubilee
Chamber
Penance--She's called Hollow now.
Gaia

[Rolltideguy77]

What happened to Douglock? Can someone post an X-Force list?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I still live in hope that Excalibur might pursue Chamber, and try to convince him to help his country out. Seriously, the guy's British but bar Poptopia we've never really seen him in the context of his homeland.

[Dagger]

What happened to Douglock?
Douglock is Warlock with Doug's memory's and speech patterns. And that is the list of the X-Forcers who had joined who are still living. Unless you meant the Milligan X-Force, which I never collected.

[Rolltideguy77]

Douglock is Warlock with Doug's memory's and speech patterns.

Yeah but what happened to him? Where's he at? Can someone post an X-Force roster of the living?

[Pach!]

New Mutants still living:


Karma ==> Mansion, apparently invisible
Sunspot ==> HFC, while Sage who was taking care of him has ditched him.
Cannonball ==> X-men
Dani ==> Avengers: The Initiative
Wolfsbane ==> X-factor
Magma ==> MIA
Yana's back!! ==> Limbo
Warlock ==> Hopefully in Annihilation Conquest
Rictor ==> X-factor
Meltdown ==> ?
Skids ==> ?
Warpath ==> Uncanny X-men
Shatterstar ==> ?
Domino ==> Cable and Deadpool
Cable ==> Cable and Deadpool

Gen. Xer's still living:
Husk ==> Soon on X-men, maybe :)
M ==> X-factor
Jubilee ==> maybe New Warriors
Chamber ==> ?
Penance--She's called Hollow now. ==> Loners!
Gaia ==> ?

[The Lucky One]

Yeah but what happened to him? Where's he at?

He regained his memories in the M-Tech crossover, then his attempts to eliminate the techno-organic virus on Earth were chronicled in his own title, Warlock, which ran for 9 issues. At the end of it he defeated the Magus again and he, Wolfsbane, Psimon and Hope took a brief vacation. That was around 2001 or so, he hasn't been seen or mentioned since. There's been some speculation that since Annihilation: Conquest apparently has the Phalanx as the main villains, he might pop up in that context, but it's purely speculation so far.

-D

[Diablito]

Weren't some of the New Mutants X-Men for like day? Oh, and Skids is with the Morlocks right now.

[jarrod]

Carey should revive Joe Kelly's idea of having a "junior" squad of X-Men being led by a seasoned vet. Maybe having Kurt, Hank or Logan in charge, with Sam, James, Rachel, Paige, Amara and some others on the team. Keep Kitty in Astonishing though, and add Shan to that book too.

[Rolltideguy77]

I know Feral and her sister Thorn were recently in Wolverine getting their entrails eaten out by Sabertooth.

[Brian M.]

I know Feral and her sister Thorn were recently in Wolverine getting their entrails eaten out by Sabertooth.

So Alabama folks can read...interesting...:cool:

[Rolltideguy77]

Only as good as Tennessee folks can :)

[streator]

some have been (moonstar, cannonball, husk, jubilee, chamber, warpath...) but most can't or won't because then it makes all of the other x-men look too old which can't ever really happen as long as they continue to be the central characters fans want to keep reading about.

both the new mutants and generation x were teenagers, students, when the x-men were around the same age as they are now. aging those characters means the x-men have to age some as well, which does happen, but can't really happen too much unless the core x-men eventually step out of the spotlight (which is unlikely).

there will always be students and there will always be x-men. some students will make the transition but the majority will not.

[The Lucky One]

Weren't some of the New Mutants X-Men for like day?

Yeah, in UXM annual #10 the X-Men were turned into X-Babies, so the New Mutants declared themselves the X-Men in their stead, put on their (atrocious) graduation costumes, and went off to rescue them. Whether they were ever "official" X-Men depends on who you ask, but anyone who considers associates like Sabretooth or Lady Mastermind X-Men would sort of have to include the New Mutants too.

-D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yeah, in UXM annual #10 the X-Men were turned into X-Babies, so the New Mutants declared themselves the X-Men in their stead, put on their (atrocious) graduation costumes, and went off to rescue them. Whether they were ever "official" X-Men depends on who you ask, but anyone who considers associates like Sabretooth or Lady Mastermind X-Men would sort of have to include the New Mutants too.

-D

Ha ha. I'd forgotten about those graduation costumes. They were bloody awful. Wasn't Sam's just a jumpsuit and a motorcycle helmet? :D

[The Lucky One]

Ha ha. I'd forgotten about those graduation costumes. They were bloody awful. Wasn't Sam's just a jumpsuit and a motorcycle helmet? :D

Yeah, he looked like the Grimace. Doug's was actually okay, if very, very blue, although the visor kept making me think of Cyclops. But Dani's outfit had this horrible 70s/quasi-western fringe, and Bobby's was this all-white number with an open chest, like Nightwing's old costume, and... ugh. Rahne's was pretty bad too.

As I recall, Illyana's was the best... I thought that crimson hood/cape number fit her well, actually.

-D

[Rolltideguy77]

Maybe someone can post a picture of them

[Arrjay]

I still live in hope that Excalibur might pursue Chamber, and try to convince him to help his country out. Seriously, the guy's British but bar Poptopia we've never really seen him in the context of his homeland.

Side note:

Is Poptopia worthy of purchase?

[rwsmith]

Carey should revive Joe Kelly's idea of having a "junior" squad of X-Men being led by a seasoned vet. Maybe having Kurt, Hank or Logan in charge, with Sam, James, Rachel, Paige, Amara and some others on the team. Keep Kitty in Astonishing though, and add Shan to that book too.

Yeah, this is what I'd like to see Brubaker's team become, with Xavier and Nightcrawler as the mentors. Then I'd have Cannonball, Warpath, Hepzibah, Husk, and Darwin.

The X-men team would become the strike team, but be government-sanctioned by the O.N.E. (to ensure that half the team doesn't go bad this time around): Bishop, Rogue, Iceman, Gambit, Karma and Northstar

And the Astonishing team is perfect as is.

[The Lucky One]

Side note:

Is Poptopia worthy of purchase?

Nay, nay, a thousand times nay.

Personal opinion, obviously.

-D

[Dagger]

here you go. Here's the cover at least.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5673/uncannyannual10xz5.jpg

[jarrod]

Yeah, this is what I'd like to see Brubaker's team become, with Xavier and Nightcrawler as the mentors. Then I'd have Cannonball, Warpath, Hepzibah, Husk, and Darwin.

The X-men team would become the strike team, but be government-sanctioned by the O.N.E. (to ensure that half the team doesn't go bad this time around): Bishop, Rogue, Iceman, Gambit, Karma and Northstar

And the Astonishing team is perfect as is.
Hep would be coolio, but hell naws to Darwin. Even Brubaker doesn't want to use him these days... Rachel and Amara are the way to go. Keep Caliban too actually! :D

I think Scott's going to be leading an active squad too, he'd be better for heading the O*N*E sanctioned group imo. Throw in Iceman, Rogue, Colossus, Wolverine, Psylocke, Archangel... killer team right there. Then make Astonishing the "teaching staff" round 2 with Xaiver and Emma heading things and Kitty, Hank, Shan, Jean-Paul and (gods willing) Cece rounding it out.

[DDM]

Side note:

Is Poptopia worthy of purchase?

No. It's one issue decompressed into 4 issues.

[DDM]

Yeah, in UXM annual #10 the X-Men were turned into X-Babies, so the New Mutants declared themselves the X-Men in their stead, put on their (atrocious) graduation costumes, and went off to rescue them. Whether they were ever "official" X-Men depends on who you ask, but anyone who considers associates like Sabretooth or Lady Mastermind X-Men would sort of have to include the New Mutants too.

-D

I liked the New Mutants graduation costumes from Uncanny X-Men Annual #10; in contrast, to the Brett Blevins new New Mutant costumes:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56757119524.61.GIF

[Rolltideguy77]

here you go. Here's the cover at least.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5673/uncannyannual10xz5.jpg

Wow those are bad! Esp Canonball ugh. I always hated it when he wore the goggles tho, they were just silly and pointless. Isn't he supposed to be an immortal?

[The Lucky One]

Isn't he supposed to be an immortal?

He was, briefly. It was part of a plotline involving something called Externals, mutants who would die once and then become immortal. Unconfirmed rumor is that the Highlander people threatened to sue, so Marvel dropped the plotline. Most of the Externals were killed by Selene in an issue of X-Force, and she told Cannonball and his teammates that he wasn't one, so that settles that. It's unlikely to ever be revisited. Fan theory to explain Sam's death in X-Force #2 (the impetus for branding him an External in the first place) is that Dani, who at the time was with the Valkyries in Asgard, noticed his soul and intervened, sending it back to Earth... this may be the mysterious reason she was booted out of the Valkyries, which she mentioned but never explained.

Or else Cable just faked it.

-D

[Faded]

Its my belief they aren't X-Men because there's so many of them!

I think Cannonball and Monet would be ideal representatives of their generations, the former has made it and the latter was arguably an X-Man during Austen's first couple of issues (but I'd really like to see her get a good stay in the big leagues). That's not to say I don't want to see Sunspot, Hollow, and Karma on the X-Men someday, but I think having one of each really make it enough.

As for a team with the Gen X-ers and New Mutants on it? X-Factor seems like the ideal place: where forgotten characters are interesting again (or interesting for the first time in some cases!)

[Blackcat]

Sunspot, Magma and Karma should finally get a change to be X-Men now, com on, they deserve it!

[DDM]

The New Mutants are originally formed to not be a strike force; their only goal is to learn to control their respective mutant powers. However, the kids did get in fights with the Hellfire Club's analogs of the New Mutants, the Hellions & did get involved with various members of the Lords Cardinal such as the White Queen Emma Frost, Black King Sebastian Shaw & eventual Black Queen Selene. Heck, Magneto became the Hellfire Club's White King while teaching the New Mutants.

I don't think The New Mutants were ever meant to graduate into X-Men. It was proven the kids were not ready, despite their training.

I think the same thing applies to Generation X, but it had more of feel of being a homage to the original The New Mutants.

[jawbreaker]

I still live in hope that Excalibur might pursue Chamber, and try to convince him to help his country out. Seriously, the guy's British but bar Poptopia we've never really seen him in the context of his homeland.
I think he might show up as an ally in the NW book but he will still be in the UK so its possible he may be around for Excalibur if it gets a new writer/lineup later on...


Is Poptopia worthy of purchase?
only if youre a Chamber fangirl who likes pretty Churchill pics of him in boxers & tight pants...:o

[witchboy]

I liked Poptopia , it was an interesting satire on the pop diva phenomenon . All the pretty art didn't hurt one bit either.

[Ms. M]

The lack of New Mutants/Generation X characters on the X-Men teams, or any teams for that matter, just points to a larger problem. Namely, that hardly any new mutant characters have broken out in the last 15-20 years.

By "breaking out", I would mean by such criteria as being popular enough to have their own mini-series or being so visible that they repeatedly show up in alternate dimensions series and X-Men-related cartoons or could appear in the movies. I can only think of Gambit, Bishop, Cable, Jubilee, and X-23, the only one of the five who debuted after 1991.

You could argue the Gen X/New Mutants characters didn't get the attention they deserved, but some characters have what it takes to be big and others don't. I do think that Marvel made a big mistake in getting rid of Illyana/Magik, who had breakout potential, but at least they are remedying that error.

[Alex A Sanchez]

They need to rescue Sunspot ASAP!


It was hinted by Shaw in teh X-Men: Endangered Species One Shot that Roberto might lose his seat. If this is the case, what is to stop him from leaving them altogether and returning to the X-men.

New Mutants still living:


Karma ==> Mansion, apparently invisible
Sunspot ==> HFC, while Sage who was taking care of him has ditched him.
Cannonball ==> X-men
Dani ==> Avengers: The Initiative
Wolfsbane ==> X-factor
Magma ==> MIA
Yana's back!! ==> Limbo
Warlock ==> Hopefully in Annihilation Conquest
Rictor ==> X-factor
Meltdown ==> ?
Skids ==> ?
Warpath ==> Uncanny X-men
Shatterstar ==> ?
Domino ==> Cable and Deadpool
Cable ==> Cable and Deadpool

Gen. Xer's still living:
Husk ==> Soon on X-men, maybe :)
M ==> X-factor
Jubilee ==> maybe New Warriors
Chamber ==> ?
Penance--She's called Hollow now. ==> Loners!
Gaia ==> ?

Meltdown/Boomer/Boom Boom was part of Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E. Since that series is over, I think she's a free agent again.

A fake Chamber was in Runnaways- couldn't tell you where the real one is.

I heard that Dani was depowered- is that true?

[The Lucky One]

A fake Chamber was in Runnaways- couldn't tell you where the real one is.

I heard that Dani was depowered- is that true?

Chamber was depowered on M-Day and kept alive only by being essentially put in stasis. Apocalypse eventually woke him and patched him up (since he'd a descendent of Poccy), but now he looks all Apocalypsy. He's rumored to be appearing in New Warriors, but we don't know yet.

And yes, Dani was depowered and then unceremoniously fired. I can't WAIT until she returns and kicks Emma's ass for it.

-D

[Dagger]

The New Mutants are originally formed to not be a strike force; their only goal is to learn to control their respective mutant powers. However, the kids did get in fights with the Hellfire Club's analogs of the New Mutants, the Hellions & did get involved with various members of the Lords Cardinal such as the White Queen Emma Frost, Black King Sebastian Shaw & eventual Black Queen Selene. Heck, Magneto became the Hellfire Club's White King while teaching the New Mutants.

I don't think The New Mutants were ever meant to graduate into X-Men. It was proven the kids were not ready, despite their training.

I think the same thing applies to Generation X, but it had more of feel of being a homage to the original The New Mutants.
Then why did they have 'graduation costumes' for when they would have eventually became X-Men?

[DDM]

Then why did they have 'graduation costumes' for when they would have eventually became X-Men?

Although they had graduation costumes, they never really graduated. That came later when the X-Men & New Mutants lived in the same house for some time until it was destroyed by Mister Sinister.

[Dagger]

Although they had graduation costumes, they never really graduated. That came later when the X-Men & New Mutants lived in the same house for some time until it was destroyed by Mister Sinister.
And the reason they all had graduation costumes is because they were meant to be the next generation of X-Men.

[The Lucky One]

You're both kind of right. Xavier originally was absolutely adamant that they were not going to become superheroes (because he thought the X-Men were dead at the time and didn't want to repeat his mistake). For that matter, most of the kids originally had no interest in being superheroes. (Rahne, Xi'an, and Dani for sure; only Bobby really seemed excited by it.) However, they did grow into it, and by the time the graduation costumes rolled around, they apparently had at least prepared for the eventuality that they might keep superheroing if they wanted to. It doesn't mean they definitely planned to, but they were clearly smart enough to realize it might happen whether they wanted it to or not.

-D

[samil87]

It would be enough for me if a writer actually acknowledged Karma's existence, getting her on an X-team would be great but I'm starting to think I just imagined her :confused:

[Pach!]

It would be enough for me if a writer actually acknowledged Karma's existence, getting her on an X-team would be great but I'm starting to think I just imagined her :confused:

I agreeeeee. In every single book! Astonishing ignores everyone else in the mansion so that's no biggie. New X-men shows the Astoshing X-men trapped in that blue thingie and all the other kids while our favorite lesbian librarian nowhere in sight! X-men...Cyke asks Peter and Kitty to take care of things while the REST are gone .... and I guess Karma is repairing books or something. And well I can't complain about Uncanny X-men but they could give at least give her a cameo. It's like every X-men has shunned her. :(

[Flâneur]

I want Karma to be a supporting character in Astonishing, she could be the Tara to Kitty's Willow and Colossus' Oz. :o

Plus it'd force her to appear in New Xmen sometimes.

And Magma needs to join an X-team stat.

[samil87]

It kind of makes you wonder why they bothered keeping her powered. She was probably killed by the Purifiers months ago but the X-men have just assumed she's still hidden away in the bell tower they gave her to live in. Eventually they'll notice that none of the administration duties, washing, ironing, phone answering, garderning, first aid, is being done any more and go looking for her. They won't find her though, nobody can anymore...:(

[Slung]

New Mutants still living:
Karma -- lost in the many halls of X-Mansion
Sunspot -- Hellfire Club
Cannonball -- X-Men
Dani -- Avengers Iniative
Wolfsbane -- X-Factor
Magma -- Hanging out with 198?
Yana's back!! -- Limbo
Warlock -- dead?
Rictor -- X-Factor
Meltdown -- NextWave
Skids -- Lackey of Masque in Uncanny (completely out of character)
Warpath -- Uncanny
Shatterstar -- Pining for Rictor somewhere with Domino
Domino -- Hanging out with Shatty
Cable -- spoilerDead?

Gen. Xer's still living:
Husk -- lost in a different part of the mansion from Karma
M -- X-Factor
Jubilee -- MIA or...spoilerNew Warriors
Chamber
Penance--She's called Hollow now in Loners (I hate that they took her name)
Gaia -- hanging out with other lame, over-powered characters in limbo

[Faded]

I never realized how universally loved Karma is! That's kinda awesome.

[Dagger]

I never realized how universally loved Karma is! That's kinda awesome.
I KNOW!!!! I'm so loving it! I hope it's something catchy!

[Rolltideguy77]

Catchy like herpes or catchy like an ABBA song,lol?

[Affinity]

I never realized how universally loved Karma is! That's kinda awesome.

I didn't realize either, but then I didn't even realize she was in the mansion! Since wheeensss? Decimation? I don't think ONE writer mentioned her, except maybe in Blood of Apocalypse.

[Volk1]

I didn't realize either, but then I didn't even realize she was in the mansion! Since wheeensss? Decimation? I don't think ONE writer mentioned her, except maybe in Blood of Apocalypse.

I think it's kinda like Pulse...I mean the last time we saw him too was at the mansion when he told Mystique to go fk herself so where the hell has he been?!

And where the heck are Shan's younger siblings too?

Maybe Pulse babysits them while Shan's re-files the X-men's files and catalogues the books in the X-Men library....:confused:

[Volk1]

It kind of makes you wonder why they bothered keeping her powered. She was probably killed by the Purifiers months ago but the X-men have just assumed she's still hidden away in the bell tower they gave her to live in. Eventually they'll notice that none of the administration duties, washing, ironing, phone answering, garderning, first aid, is being done any more and go looking for her. They won't find her though, nobody can anymore...:(


lol. Yeah, who actually does all that stuff? i can't see any of the Astonishing team doing it, they're too arrogant.

The Uncanny team just got back from space...

The X-Men team just got Maurader'ed...

That leave's the New X-Men kids! I guess that's how they get paid...:eek:

[samil87]

Catchy like herpes or catchy like an ABBA song,lol?

Herpes I hope, the lesser of the two evils ;)