WTF is going on with Wolverine right now?

[drunkinpublik]

Hi everyone. I have been a huge fan of the wild man for years but I stopped after the Civil War arc because I really wasn't please with the following arc. So I was just wondering if somebody could get me up to pace, tell me whats up and if I should start getting back in to that crazy son of a bitch.

[Brian M.]

He is a member of the Lupine Avengers hunting down Sabertooth.

[Citizen V]

The character has been written badly,and i dont think this will go away anytime soon.As a matter of fact,i think it will get worse...mostly due to the Wolverine movie.

[drunkinpublik]

damn you Marvel destroying characters I love for a quick buck.!

[Brian M.]

The character has been written badly,and i dont think this will go away anytime soon.As a matter of fact,i think it will get worse...mostly due to the Wolverine movie.

Don't listen to Debbie Downer, Wolverine's a lot of fun right now. It's a fun book, not a serious, heart wrenching intelligent book. It's fun, fighting and clawing.

[drunkinpublik]

I really hope he ties in very closely with the endangerd species story the all the X-Books are going with soon.

[Pach!]

The character has been written badly,and i dont think this will go away anytime soon.As a matter of fact,i think it will get worse...mostly due to the Wolverine movie.

Such insight from reading summaries since 1995.

His solo has been hit or miss, with the miss happening right now. Origins I don't read but I like him in Astonishing, I liked his whole thing with Beast about the cure, and whenever he guest stars in other X-men books he's quite good. New Avengers has a pretty good Logan.

[drunkinpublik]

TO Whomever reads origins: How does the book not make to sooooo sick with possibly the worste art work throughout the industry!

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TO Whomever reads origins: How does the book not make to sooooo sick with possibly the worste art work throughout the industry!

The bad art goes hand in hand with the bad writing.

[drunkinpublik]

AWESOME!!!! somebody else feels the same way as I!

[Brett P]

I don't think the art is THAT bad - I think Logan looks quite good without his mask on. The worst thing about it is being able to see his eyes with the mask on and overall the art doesn't suit a Wolverine book - it's too "clean". Hellion and Jubilee both looked pretty awful when they appeared too...but atleast characters look consistant from panel to panel which isn't a bad quality to have as an artist. He does some things right and some wrong, gets some characters dead-on, and others not at all. But it's definately not the worst in the business! I think I'd rather have this art on World War Hulk than JrJr's!

[Floyd The Barber]

I don't get it. What's so bad about the art? I've loved Steve Dillon's work since his Hellblazer run with Ennis in the early 90's. I also loved Preacher and his Punisher comics. What is it people find so offensive about it? Yeah it's a different style for Wolverine, but I find it refreshing. Please fill me in on why so many people don't like it beyond "It sucks, It's terrible....etc." I'm honestly asking here. I just don't get it.

[Brian M.]

I didn't like the art b/c it looked plain. Wolverine is a gritty character, that's why I think folks like Yu, Finch, Ramos draw him best. Silvestri is the man when it comes to Logan. Dillon is talented, I just don't think he fits Origins. It's be like Ramos illustrating a board room meeting.

[Floyd The Barber]

I think I'd rather have this art on World War Hulk than JrJr's!

ARRRRGHHHH! JRJR is my FAVORITE Marvel Artist right now! I don't get it. I guess I just have waaaaayyy different tastes in art from you guys. Just out of curiousity, Who do you'll like right now? I bet it's probably people I don't care for.

[drunkinpublik]

Everybody has such amazing posture and wait is that same face I saw on the last male figure! Man the guy should get out of comics. unless it is something like hellblazer, Why cause he fuckin walks around everywhere. Takes a lot skill to draw someone that does F'in move.

Steve Dillion (or whatever his name is) is a shame to Wolverine!

[Brian M.]

Artists I like:

Cassady, Tan, Finch, Yu, Cho, Ramos, Bachalo, Cruz, JRJR, Devito, Garney, Epting.

[drunkinpublik]

I pretty much like everything he just said BUT i like to add in Oliver Copiel and Tony Moore(lesser known but damn awesome)

[Brett P]

ARRRRGHHHH! JRJR is my FAVORITE Marvel Artist right now! I don't get it. I guess I just have waaaaayyy different tastes in art from you guys. Just out of curiousity, Who do you'll like right now? I bet it's probably people I don't care for.

No you're alright, as far as I can tell there is a LOT of love for JrJr across all the comic boards, but personally I can't stand his art...it just looks so amateur, old fashioned and lacklustre to me.

I can't BELIEVE they put him on their big summer blockbuster - it totally ruined the first issue of WWH for me. Everything is either flat or square, characters faces and proportions fluctuate from panel to panel, he can't draw noses or fingers... It's truly nasty. I see the odd good panel or image here or there, but even Christina Strains wonderful colors can't make it shine for me. That Hulkbuster Iron Man is a joke! What is it you like about him so much?

Truth be told I like most of the art in the books I read, there's not that many artists I dislike. I think JrJr is the only one I get vocal about 'cos I can't understand why he's such a fan favourite.

I like Skottie Young, Adrian Alphona, Cassady, Michael Ryan, Clayton Henry, Bachalo, Casseli...I LOVE the artists on New and Mighty Avengers, Thunderbolts and Daredevil (can't remember the guys names though!) Don't care much for Billy Tan or Salvador Larocca.

[drunkinpublik]

WOW! I like your selection in artists too but seriously look at the book again. Steve Dillion is an f*in tracer or his best friend is on the marvel concil becuase it looks like everyone of his characters had a stick up there as they stand so straight.

[Floyd The Barber]

Artists I like:

Cassady, Tan, Finch, Yu, Cho, Ramos, Bachalo, Cruz, JRJR, Devito, Garney, Epting.

Here's how I feel about :

Cassady : undeniably good, but not one of my favorites, also I don't have a helluva lot of respect for someone who almost NEVER puts a book out on time.

Tan : Meh.

Finch : OK I guess but I liked it better when it was actually Silvestri.

Yu : Don't like at all. Keeping me off of New Avengers actually. I feel he doesn't fit Avengers at all. Everyone looks Asian and ugly to me.

Cho : Damn fine artist

Ramos : Very unique style. One of my faves right now.

Bachalo : see Ramos

Cruz : Have liked him a lot ever since AoA.

JRJR : Has one of the most unique styles in comics. I can tell his art at a glance. It's just very stylized and detailed and fun to look at for me. And he's almost ALWAYS on time.

Devito : haven't seen enough to say.

Garney : Meh.

Epting : Meh.

[drunkinpublik]

I like this game of opinions going on right now.

What do you think of:(some of my favs)

Skottie Younge
Oliver Copiel
Joe Madd ( im give and take on him)
Hamner
and Tony Moore?

[Floyd The Barber]

Don't care much for Billy Tan or Salvador Larocca.

I actually have a MAJOR gripe with Larocca. I used to LOVE his art back during his Ghost Rider days in the 90's. Somewhere around X-Treme X-Men he majorly changed his style and I haven't liked him since.

[Brett P]

I actually have a MAJOR gripe with Larocca. I used to LOVE his art back during his Ghost Rider days in the 90's. Somewhere around X-Treme X-Men he majorly changed his style and I haven't liked him since.

I liked his early X-Treme stuff but by the time Milligans X-run came around it was always ugly and I got so bored of him. He's back on Uncanny to my horror, but last issue wasn't actually too bad...

You are right about JrJr having a unique style and atleast WWH will be on time. I actually quite liked his art on the Sentry mini series, it seemed to fit. But HATED his enemy of the state stuff in Wolverine and don't think he meshes well with Hulk at all.

[Floyd The Barber]

unless it is something like hellblazer, Why cause he fuckin walks around everywhere. Takes a lot skill to draw someone that does F'in move.

I gotta call you on this one. You obviously haven't read many Hellblazers. Constantine does a helluva lot more than walk around. You should try some of the new ones, you might like 'em.

I like this game of opinions going on right now.

What do you think of:(some of my favs)

Skottie Younge
Oliver Copiel
Joe Madd ( im give and take on him)
Hamner
and Tony Moore?

Skottie Young : Like Ramos on crack. Whether that's good or not I haven't quite figured out. He's definitely not "cookie-cutter" though which is good.

Copiel : Don't like. His Thor preview pics are enough to keep me away from that book.

Madd : Love him and miss him. Can't wait for his Ultimates.

Hamner : Good but not one of my favorites.

Moore : Better in Black in White ala Walking Dead.

[drunkinpublik]

Very good and thank you for creative critism I just want to call you on copiel (is thats cool) what it is about him that steers you away?

[Floyd The Barber]

I liked his early X-Treme stuff but by the time Milligans X-run came around it was always ugly and I got so bored of him. He's back on Uncanny to my horror, but last issue wasn't actually too bad...

Yep. Milligan's X-run was where I gave up on Larocca too. God that Apocalypse story was laid out bad, hard to follow and just plain ugly. I actually considered dropping Uncanny once I heard he was coming on but have decided to stick around at least through Messiah complex.

You are right about JrJr having a unique style and atleast WWH will be on time. I actually quite liked his art on the Sentry mini series, it seemed to fit. But HATED his enemy of the state stuff in Wolverine and don't think he meshes well with Hulk at all.

OH MAN. I absolutely LOVED his art on Hulk during the early Bruce Jones run. He is THEE reason I'm even picking up WWHulk. Uniqueness goes a long way with me. To me a lot of guys people love ( Finch, Copiel, Tan ) just all kinda seem like cookie cutter left over 90's art I got tired of 10 years ago.

[Brett P]

See I don't know how much nostalgia there is in liking stuff like JrJr...since I've only been on the comic scene 6 years or so...and JrJr is possibly my least favourite artist of current Marvel

[Floyd The Barber]

Very good and thank you for creative critism I just want to call you on copiel (is thats cool) what it is about him that steers you away?

I can't say Copiel's bad. He just doesn't do it for me. Nothing I've seen really makes it stand out as something I'd seek out. If he was to start on a book I was reading and I liked the writer I wouldn't drop it, but I wouldn't pick up a book just because he was doing it either. Mainly what I don't like is his design for the new Thor. Ugh, It's like a chain-mail Fabio!

[Floyd The Barber]

See I don't know how much nostalgia there is in liking stuff like JrJr...since I've only been on the comic scene 6 years or so...

That's probably a good thing. Reading comics through the late 90's made me really jaded towards a lot of things that are going on now.

[Omega Alpha]

His solos are both awful currently, but Whedon writes him really well on Astonishing.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

His solos are both awful currently, but Whedon writes him really well on Astonishing.

One word: thug. :D

Refreshing for him to not have an epiphany, angst or berserk episode every two issues, eh?

[Floyd The Barber]

One word: thug. :D

Refreshing for him to not have an epiphany, angst or berserk episode every two issues, eh?

Refreshing maybe if every two issues didn't take over six months! I guess even Wolverine had to learn some patience there, eh? ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What can I say, Cassaday can't be bullied by even Wolvie into working faster.

[The Horhey]

Such insight from reading summaries since 1995.

His solo has been hit or miss, with the miss happening right now. Origins I don't read but I like him in Astonishing, I liked his whole thing with Beast about the cure, and whenever he guest stars in other X-men books he's quite good. New Avengers has a pretty good Logan.

I think New Avengers has the best written Wolverine and that will probobly continue untill Guggennheim returns to the book.

[jarrod]

Origins is a redundant snore... it's the sort of senseless, cash driven drivel Joey Q would've condemned in the late 1990s, but somehow survives these days, despite the ever plunging sales figures and perpetual critical panning. Way must have some serious dirt on someone to keep this heap going.

Wolverine's solo series ranges from amazing (Millar!) to fun (Guggenhiem) to wtfbbq trash (Loeb). Unlike Origins though, it's almost always great to look at.

[rwsmith]

Well, I will say this about the latest issue of Origins, the story wasn't bad. Not crazy about the art, but it seemed like more happened in this issue than in past ones.

I liked the use of Wild Child here, as it means that Romulus (from the other Wolverine book) is the Big Bad behind all of the stuff in Origins that predates the Weapon X Project. Makes perfect sense and, quite frankly, I would have been pissed if Way and Loeb had not discussed their respective stories with one another because they basically touch on the same thing, which is: "Who has really been manipulating Logan for most of his adult life?"

I also liked the fact that all of Logan's women who have been killed over the years were part of a control process over him, designed to keep him complacent in being a savage killer.

Still don't think the art is a good fit for this book, but as of this issue, the writing is definitely starting to seem better. Hope it continues.

[Subotai]

Hudson sure has come a long way since the initial run of Alpha Flight. From a decent guy to basically Dr. Mengele.

[rZi]

The current loeb/bianchi arc is good in my opinion...the art is sensational and the writing isn't so bad but their are alot of explanations that need answering which i can't see them all be finishing in just one more issue..so expect it to come back sooner or later so it might be worth reading now

[rwsmith]

Hudson sure has come a long way since the initial run of Alpha Flight. From a decent guy to basically Dr. Mengele.

That's not James Hudson. It's his grandfather or great-grandfather or something. Otherwise he'd be like 100 years old (or at least would've been before he got killed by the Collective in New Avengers).

[Mikl C]

See I don't know how much nostalgia there is in liking stuff like JrJr...since I've only been on the comic scene 6 years or so...and JrJr is possibly my least favourite artist of current Marvel

I agree. I think his work is fricking horrendously ugly.

[Brett P]

I agree. I think his work is fricking horrendously ugly.

*Hands you a halo*

I just think it looks really amateur...the man can't even draw noses or fingers!

[Mikl C]

*Hands you a halo*

I just think it looks really amateur...the man can't even draw noses or fingers!

We're gonna get jumped on cuz loads of people like it, I just think he draws way too many straight lines :| ?
On things which are curvy.

[Brett P]

He actually replied to a post of mine at Newsarama once when I was bashing his flat fingers haha and he said he'd been told it before and that he'd put extra focus on them in the future!

He was actually a nice and really funny guy, taking a very active part in the discussion, responding to many posts, being modest about compliments and taking criticism in his stride and even making jokes about it.

Still don't like his art though :p

[Jota]

All Wolverine appearances suck this days!
Wolverine has such an idiotic story that I actually think the editor read the pitch for it and said:
"F*ck it! I'm not reading this crap! I'll just let it pass. Loeb's a big name anyway so he can do whatever the hell he wants!"
Managing, in one story to butcher Wolverine's origin, the Evolution Theory and Chuck Austen's "Dominant Species" story, is a feat in itself!
By the way, how bad do you have to be to rip off Chuck Austen?! If your gonna steal from someone, at least steal do it from someone who's good!

Wolverine Origins drags itself providing overlong arcs with no satisfying conclusions. By the looks of it, it will continue that way for the next years. And now, the untold story between Logan and Captain America! :rolleyes: Another five issues of boredom!

In Astonishing X-Men, he's written like a retarded monkey who's only personality traits are the love of beer and breaking things. I still wonder what the hell he's doing in that book, because having any part in the story is not. Oh, how I'll love to see Wolverine written in the X-Men by someone who has a clue on how to do it! I just hope I haven't died of old age when that happens.

In New Avengers he's... there. Not that he has any reason to be in that book, a decent part, or even remotly fits in it, but I guess none of that matters when he can appear in a cover to sell stories featuring other characters.

Wolverine is my favorite character and I want him to die! At least, that way, he can be brought back by someone who can write him in an half decent way sometime in the future.

[Affinity]

I like JRjr only in that he's JRjr. I don't know what his story is and it's not like I'm nostalgic for old days since I've only started for two years now. It's just fun and kinda dorky art that I like a lot. PLUS Christina Strain is coloring WWH which makes it gorrggeous.