-=The All-Purpose METAL Thread=-

[HectorP]

Well, I liked that they played the whole song. It's just that I think Michael Kamen didn't put as much effort as he should have in that song.

Yeah, some songs are more straightforward than others. Also cool that they put Call of Ktulu there, but Ride the Lightning wouldn't have hurt my ears. :wink:

[Deathstroke]

I went and saw Iron Maiden on Friday night.

Kickass concert! These guys are the best!

Of course, Lauren Harris was terrible, but all thoughts of that are washed away when Maiden hit the stage.

[DonC]

Lauren Harris looks good in tight pants, but I swear one of these days she's going to get booed off stage. And I don't want to be at the Maiden concert where that happens.

[Hellstorm]

Wow, I never heard Lauren Harris before, but I listened to the songs on her MySpace page, and I can imagine them not going over well with an Iron Maiden crowd.

I appreciate Steve Harris wanting to help his daughter out, but it's kind of like Ozzy having Kelly Osbourne open for Black Sabbath at Ozzfest.

[DonC]

She has a Britney Spears voice trying to do metal. It just doesn't work.

[ImpulseUCF]

Recent musical discoveries...by looking into the past!

Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Hand of Doom -

I've had Paranoid on cd for 10 years but never really gave it much beyond the cursory listen for the hits. I was listening to it in my car the other day by random chance and really "heard" Hand of Doom for the first time. Holy SHIT! What a fantastic song! I can't believe it took me so long to find it, and it really is a testament to the quality of music in general in that period. The breakdown/shuffle riff is incredible, and even though they are in standard 4/4 they are playing slightly off beat (I think they skip a beat and a half or so) and it is just mind blowing. One of their best crafted songs and just an excellently paced, built, and performed song all around. It's rare to get that level of primarl intensity in a delivery these days.

Bum BUM bum buh buh BAM buh buh BUH NUH

Testament - I have been listening to the last Testament album and I like it more and more the more I hear it. The sixth track is just freakin' brutal, and the rest of the album really picks up after that. If you want thrash album with the classic intensity and modern production technology, look no further.

[stealthwise]

Recent musical discoveries...by looking into the past!

Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Hand of Doom -

I've had Paranoid on cd for 10 years but never really gave it much beyond the cursory listen for the hits. I was listening to it in my car the other day by random chance and really "heard" Hand of Doom for the first time. Holy SHIT! What a fantastic song! I can't believe it took me so long to find it, and it really is a testament to the quality of music in general in that period. The breakdown/shuffle riff is incredible, and even though they are in standard 4/4 they are playing slightly off beat (I think they skip a beat and a half or so) and it is just mind blowing. One of their best crafted songs and just an excellently paced, built, and performed song all around. It's rare to get that level of primarl intensity in a delivery these days.

Bum BUM bum buh buh BAM buh buh BUH NUH

Testament - I have been listening to the last Testament album and I like it more and more the more I hear it. The sixth track is just freakin' brutal, and the rest of the album really picks up after that. If you want thrash album with the classic intensity and modern production technology, look no further.

Yeah, Hand of Doom is a great song, and Slayer's cover of it is pretty brutal as well.

And that new Testament is monstrously good. Well worth the wait, and I was uncertain at first if they'd be able to top The Gathering.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Yeah, some songs are more straightforward than others. Also cool that they put Call of Ktulu there, but Ride the Lightning wouldn't have hurt my ears. :wink:

Also, I would have loved to hear Orion in that CD.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I loved No Leaf Clover, and Michael Kamen's parts definitely added a lot to it. I've heard live versions of it without the symphony a few times, and it just sounds so naked.

I thought Minus Human was pretty good, too. Nothing epic or legendary, but a nice little jam.

I think I heard a no-symphony version of No Leaf Clover once. It sounded good, but not as good as the original.

[ImpulseUCF]

I saw No-Leaf Clover when I saw them live in...98? 99? I don't remember exactly, but it was a good show. Sevendust, Kid Rock, Creed, and Metallica. Kid Rock and Creed were shockingly good performers.

[Brad Barton]

Recent musical discoveries...by looking into the past!

Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Hand of Doom -

I've had Paranoid on cd for 10 years but never really gave it much beyond the cursory listen for the hits. I was listening to it in my car the other day by random chance and really "heard" Hand of Doom for the first time. Holy SHIT! What a fantastic song! I can't believe it took me so long to find it, and it really is a testament to the quality of music in general in that period. The breakdown/shuffle riff is incredible, and even though they are in standard 4/4 they are playing slightly off beat (I think they skip a beat and a half or so) and it is just mind blowing. One of their best crafted songs and just an excellently paced, built, and performed song all around. It's rare to get that level of primarl intensity in a delivery these days.Yeah, Hand of Doom is great, no doubt. Rat Salad, Hand of Doom, Electric Funeral, Fairies Wear Boots-- they're all amazing. Paranoid is one of those rare albums that doesn't really have a bad track, period.

Some of those early Sabbath albums were so strong, and some of those early songs so ridiculously good, that certain tracks amongst them tended to 'sink to the bottom', as it were. As I was telling you, go get Vol. 4, Master of Reality, Black Sabbath and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, intentionally skip the radio staples and you'll find that the "B-sides" alone would've been damn strong albums.

While we're on the subject, I have to ask (because there's always a few in any gathering of Sabbath fans): Who here prefers Sabbath with Dio?

[Brad Barton]

Also, I would have loved to hear Orion in that CD.A-fucking-men. I was so disappointed not to see Orion on that album. Same with To Live is To Die.

I know they had to pick and choose between fan favorites and more popular tracks, and as good as the symphonic version if The Call of Ktulu was, I'd have dropped as many songs as were needed to have had Orion and TLITD on there.

And on-subject, here's another small snippet of new stuff (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XHUDmRlN5hQ). James working out vocals on a little keyboard, which surprised me a little, even though I know it's a pretty standard practice among many vocalists.

[stealthwise]

While we're on the subject, I have to ask (because there's always a few in any gathering of Sabbath fans): Who here prefers Sabbath with Dio?

No One Sane

[jesse_custer]

Has anyone listened to Alchemist? Check out this video and their wiki page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZG-tKPBeY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemist_%28band%29

Not sure what I think yet but they are certainly interesting. They're from Australia and seem pretty avant guarde.

[Deathstroke]

No One Sane

I'll take insanity then. Dio Sabbath is better than Ozzy Sabbath.

[DWEarhart]

I'm cool with both Ozzy's and Ronnie's tenures in B.Sabbath. But I find myself listening more to Ronnie-Sabbath lately. He, you know, sings. :wink:

[DWEarhart]

Has anyone listened to Alchemist? Check out this video and their wiki page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZG-tKPBeY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemist_%28band%29

Not sure what I think yet but they are certainly interesting. They're from Australia and seem pretty avant guarde.

Very nice. And kudos to the singer for sticking with this band for over twenty years.

[cactusmaac]

Has anyone listened to Alchemist? Check out this video and their wiki page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZG-tKPBeY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemist_%28band%29

Not sure what I think yet but they are certainly interesting. They're from Australia and seem pretty avant guarde.

They're pretty good. Have some interesting prog influences. I'd recommend their albums Tripsis and Austral Alien, the latter of which is my current listening favourite.

I'll be off in a few hours to see Iron Maiden at Twickenham.

[ghostrider666]

I too am as crazy as a rat in a shithouse. Dio (with either Appice or Ward on drums) is part of THE Black Sabbath line-up.
I cant stand Ozzy. I'll also take the Gillan fronted Sabbath over anything with OO.

[ImpulseUCF]

Wow, I'm kind of surprised to see so many people preferring the Dio Sabbath lineup. Based on what I have heard, I don't care for their musical stylings at the time. Dio can sing his ass off, though.

[Brad Barton]

Dio-Sabbath wasn't bad. Heaven and Hell was good, but for my money, no Sabbath lineup comes close to matching Ozzy-Sabbath's sheer wealth of extraordinary, amazing, classic material.

The first five Sabbath albums were the genesis of the genre we've been talking about here for over a year, and most of it is timeless. I think early Sabbath might currently be the least dated bloc of music to have come out of the 70's. Every Metal band today, whether directly or indirectly, were built off Sabbath's framework.

[HectorP]

I always thought Dio was a better singer than Ozzy. Sounds like a no-brainer anyway, at least technically.

[DWEarhart]

I've been hooked on Anthrax's Volume 8 these past few days.

Love it. Just means that I'll be moving on to W.C.F.Y.A., which I love even more.

Also been going though Tiamat's catalouge (love A Deeper Kind of Slumber), plus getting prept for the new Melvins on Teusday. They may not exactly be metal, but they've crossed the boundary once or twice or a dozen times thrice.

Vive King Buzzo!

Tiamat - Cold Seed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hrW0YueJm0) What's with the elphant and the cheerleader? I don't get it either. Dream sequence, I guess.

[jesse_custer]

I've never understood the Dio-is-a-much-better-singer-than-Ozzy argument. To me Ozzy has a far more distinctive voice with far more feeling. No contest.


Heaven and Hell was good, but for my money, no Sabbath lineup comes close to matching Ozzy-Sabbath's sheer wealth of extraordinary, amazing, classic material.

Let me put it this way. If Sabbath had always been led by Dio, I would have never gotten into metal.

[HectorP]

It's all valid, of course. I don't need to think of another singer when listening to Master of Reality.

[Catman_3]

Dio may be the better singer for Black Sabbath but Ozzy is a better front man/entertainer.

I love the orginal Sabbath line up and albums and I love the Dio era too.

To me Sabbath with Dio is a totally different band than Sabbath with Ozzy and I'm glad they(Iommi, Butler, Dio & Appice) decided to call themselves Heaven & Hell instead.

[Deathstroke]

Dio may be the better singer for Black Sabbath but Ozzy is a better front man/entertainer.

I love the orginal Sabbath line up and albums and I love the Dio era too.

To me Sabbath with Dio is a totally different band than Sabbath with Ozzy and I'm glad they(Iommi, Butler, Dio & Appice) decided to call themselves Heaven & Hell instead.

They didn't decide to call themselves Heaven and Hell, legalities don't allow them to use Black Sabbath without the clown prince of stupidy as the frontman.

[Gene M.]

WOOHOO!

Carcass has announced three American dates!

Sep 5 2008 8:00P
Palladium - Worcester (USA) Worcester, Massachusetts

Sep 6 2008 8:00P
Nokia Theatre, New York City (USA) New York City

Sep 11 2008 8:00P

Sonar - Baltimore (USA) Baltimore, Maryland

[Brad Barton]

WOOHOO!

Carcass has announced three American dates!

Sep 5 2008 8:00P
Palladium - Worcester (USA) Worcester, Massachusetts

Sep 6 2008 8:00P
Nokia Theatre, New York City (USA) New York City

Sep 11 2008 8:00P

Sonar - Baltimore (USA) Baltimore, Maryland...and they're all a minimum of 1500 miles away from me. Boo.

This is a good sign, though. Seems like they may be thinking about this reunion a little more in the long term. Hopefully we get a new album.

[Gene M.]

...and they're all a minimum of 1500 miles away from me. Boo.

This is a good sign, though. Seems like they may be thinking about this reunion a little more in the long term. Hopefully we get a new album.
Yeah, I think Baltimore is the nearest date for me. Still, it's a huge step up, considering they originally claimed they wouldn't be playing any US dates. Necrophagist being the opening act is icing on the cake, too.

[Brad Barton]

Still, it's a huge step up, considering they originally claimed they wouldn't be playing any US dates.That's what I was thinking. I worship at the guitar altar of the Bill Steer/Michael Amott duo, and they haven't let me down yet.

Wait, is Michael Amott even a part of the reunion? I know he's in Arch Enemy now, but is he pulling double duty?

[Gene M.]

That's what I was thinking. I worship at the guitar altar of the Bill Steer/Michael Amott duo, and they haven't let me down yet.

Wait, is Michael Amott even a part of the reunion? I know he's in Arch Enemy now, but is he pulling double duty?
Amott and Arch Enemy drummer Daniel Erlandson are both pulling double duty for the reunion. Ken Owen couldn't tour because of his health problems, so they pegged Erlandson to fill in for him.

Also, Carcass's Myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=316856434) page has a bunch of photos online from recent reunion dates.

[Brad Barton]

Amott and Arch Enemy drummer Daniel Erlandson are both pulling double duty for the reunion. Ken Owen couldn't tour because of his health problems, so they pegged Erlandson to fill in for him.Too bad about Owen, I always thought he was great.

And yeah, I don't think anyone could realistically expect Amott to leave Arch Enemy to jump back into Carcass full-time, so I'd say the tour is probably all that'll happen. Too bad, though. Personally, I'd take new Carcass over AE any day of the week.

[Gene M.]

Too bad about Owen, I always thought he was great.

And yeah, I don't think anyone could realistically expect Amott to leave Arch Enemy to jump back into Carcass full-time, so I'd say the tour is probably all that'll happen. Too bad, though. Personally, I'd take new Carcass over AE any day of the week.
Originally they were hoping the two drummers would be able to share duties, with Erlandson playing the bulk of the show and Owen coming out at the end to close the show with some of the classics, but sadly he wasn't up to it. Erlandson is one hell of a replacement, though. He's easily my favorite drummer right now.

A new Carcass album would be great, but from the interviews they've been giving since the reunion was announced it's seemed like Walker and Steer (especially Steer) are adamant about keeping it a one-off thing.

[Brad Barton]

Originally they were hoping the two drummers would be able to share duties, with Erlandson playing the bulk of the show and Owen coming out at the end to close the show with some of the classics, but sadly he wasn't up to it. Erlandson is one hell of a replacement, though. He's easily my favorite drummer right now.Well, according to Owens' wiki page, he had a damn brain hemorrhage in '99 which put him into a coma, so I can definitely understand how he might not be up to it. If his skills have diminished to the point that he couldn't do the songs justice, I don't blame him for not wanting to do it.


A new Carcass album would be great, but from the interviews they've been giving since the reunion was announced it's seemed like Walker and Steer (especially Steer) are adamant about keeping it a one-off thing.That sucks, but we'll see how they feel after doing the shows. :wink: I see no reason why Walker and Steer couldn't get another two guys and start back up, it's not like they're doing anything else worthwhile musically, anyway.

Gene, did you get the new Opeth (Watershed)? If so, whatd'ja think?

[Gene M.]

My current bout with unemployment is keeping me from picking up a lot of CDs and going to a lot of shows right now. Watershed and Opeth's recent PIttsburgh show have both fallen victim to that. I heard the album and the show were both great, though.

[Brad Barton]

My current bout with unemployment is keeping me from picking up a lot of CDs and going to a lot of shows right now. Watershed and Opeth's recent PIttsburgh show have both fallen victim to that.*psssst, Limewire and Youtube, pass it on* :wink:

It's pretty good. Gets a little meandering at times. They still have a tendency to drag songs out, but definitely check out Hessian Peel (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3mkDQNo_aHg) and Heir Apparent (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3SSgvxp-8&feature=related) when you get the chance.

Opeth is slowly growing on me. Akerfeldt has a great clean singing voice, and though I'm still not a fan of death growling, if the music is strong enough (as with Carcass and some Opeth) I can tolerate it.

[Gene M.]

*psssst, Limewire and Youtube, pass it on* :wink:

It's pretty good. Gets a little meandering at times. They still have a tendency to drag songs out, but definitely check out Hessian Peel (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3mkDQNo_aHg) and Heir Apparent (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3SSgvxp-8&feature=related) when you get the chance.

Opeth is slowly growing on me. Akerfeldt has a great clean singing voice, and though I'm still not a fan of death growling, if the music is strong enough (as with Carcass and some Opeth) I can tolerate it.
I like to have the liner notes! :biggrin:

I think Fredrik Akesson is nowhere near as well known as he should be. He got a bum deal with Arch Enemy, so hopefully Opeth will get him the recogntion he deserves.

[Brad Barton]

I don't know who's heard about this, but the next issue of Kerrang! will include an Iron Maiden tribute disc, "Maiden Heaven", with studio covers of Maiden songs by Metallica, Machine Head, A7x, Devildriver, Coheed and Cambria, Trivium and Dream Theater, among others.

Here are the audio samples. (http://promo.kerrang.com/kerrang/maidenheaven/)

They're all sounding pretty damn good, especially Metallica's "Remember Tomorrow", Machine Heads "Hallowed Be Thy Name" and, believe it or not, Avenged Sevenfold's "Flash of the Blade". Trivium's "Iron Maiden" is alright, but the vocals don't quite fit. Dream Theater's track doesn't have a sample, which sucks, but I expect it'll kick ass.

Where in the U.S. can you even get Kerrang? Would Barnes and Nobles or Borders have it, I wonder?

[wolp]

I was wondering if anyone would recommend the new Judas Priest album Nostradamus? Thanks.

[DWEarhart]

I was wondering if anyone would recommend the new Judas Priest album Nostradamus? Thanks.

Personally, I cannot.

I do know some folks that think it's "okay" and know more folks that would not recommend it either.

If you have speakers, this'll let you hear more songs from the album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtpA54lYJF4); maybe help you decide if you want to get it or not.

[DWEarhart]

Finally took a listening to Grip Inc.'s last album Incorporated.

I liked more than I thought I would; definitely liked it more than Solidify.

It sucks that I must wait until December for Waldemar's new project to hit my ears. GAAAH!

[HectorP]

What do you think of Death's Symbolic album as a whole and compared to the band's other albums?

[Gene M.]

I don't know who's heard about this, but the next issue of Kerrang! will include an Iron Maiden tribute disc, "Maiden Heaven", with studio covers of Maiden songs by Metallica, Machine Head, A7x, Devildriver, Coheed and Cambria, Trivium and Dream Theater, among others.

Here are the audio samples. (http://promo.kerrang.com/kerrang/maidenheaven/)

They're all sounding pretty damn good, especially Metallica's "Remember Tomorrow", Machine Heads "Hallowed Be Thy Name" and, believe it or not, Avenged Sevenfold's "Flash of the Blade". Trivium's "Iron Maiden" is alright, but the vocals don't quite fit. Dream Theater's track doesn't have a sample, which sucks, but I expect it'll kick ass.

Where in the U.S. can you even get Kerrang? Would Barnes and Nobles or Borders have it, I wonder?
Badass. I'll have to track it down. I think most larger book stores (Borders, B&N, etc.) sell Kerrang.

[leonaozaki]

Y'all know a lot about metal. A lot.

So maybe someone can help me out. I am an old-school metalhead: Sabbath, Priest, Diamond Head, Metallica, Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax, Venom, Slayer....

I didn't listen to much metal in the 90's (I followed Metallica through the Black album and Megadeth through Countdown) and have recently started to get back into it, and I'm pretty much at a loss. I mean, I have the new Maiden albums, but that's pretty much a no-brainer.

Based on those bands I listed above, where should I go next? I tried the early Iced Earth material and I'm pretty ambivalent about it.

Many thanks in advance!

rob

[jesse_custer]

I wholeheartedly recommend the album Blood Mountain by Mastodon. They combine the thrash of Metallica, the progressive sentiment of Sabbath, the guitar work of Iron Maiden, and too much more stuff to name. Their lyrics are succint, sometimes laughable (in a good way), and memorable. Their drummer is the Mitch Mitchell of metal. Blood Moutain is their major label debut, but honestly I find it more daring than anything they've done before.

Here's a few videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-2alwdcmrs (Sleeping Giant - my personal favorite from the album)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQo9bwQ2rQc&feature=related (Colony of Birchmen)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKw2s_AxUIw (The Wolf Is Loose)

[leonaozaki]

I wholeheartedly recommend the album Blood Mountain by Mastodon. They combine the thrash of Metallica, the progressive sentiment of Sabbath, the guitar work of Iron Maiden, and too much more stuff to name. Their lyrics are succint, sometimes laughable (in a good way), and memorable. Their drummer is the Mitch Mitchell of metal. Blood Moutain is their major label debut, but honestly I find it more daring than anything they've done before.

Here's a few videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-2alwdcmrs (Sleeping Giant - my personal favorite from the album)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQo9bwQ2rQc&feature=related (Colony of Birchmen)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKw2s_AxUIw (The Wolf Is Loose)

OK, those are seriously effin' awesome. When I get the chance I'm going to get this album. Thanks a lot!

rob

[HectorP]

Finally got The Formation of Damnation. Like people said, it's pretty good. Great comeback. :)

[Deathstroke]

Finally got The Formation of Damnation. Like people said, it's pretty good. Great comeback. :)

With everyone raving about the album, I'm going to buy my first Testament album since Practice What You Preach.

[ImpulseUCF]

Y'all know a lot about metal. A lot.

So maybe someone can help me out. I am an old-school metalhead: Sabbath, Priest, Diamond Head, Metallica, Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax, Venom, Slayer....

I didn't listen to much metal in the 90's (I followed Metallica through the Black album and Megadeth through Countdown) and have recently started to get back into it, and I'm pretty much at a loss. I mean, I have the new Maiden albums, but that's pretty much a no-brainer.

Based on those bands I listed above, where should I go next? I tried the early Iced Earth material and I'm pretty ambivalent about it.

Many thanks in advance!

robWelcome back to the fold! The most natural progression from what you listed above and best of the 90s that you would have missed is Pantera. I recommend Cowboys from Hell and Vulgar Display of Power. These were their first two major label efforts and, IMO, best before their singer got too messed up on heroin and lost his way a bit.


Also, check out the last couple from Megadeth, The System has Failed and United Abominations. Both are updated strong returns to form with that classic guitar work and speed metal elements thrown back in.

I personally find System of a Down to be one of the best metal band of the 90s and easily one of the best to come from the nu-metal movement (though they are anything but). Ranging from zany nonsense on one end and almost-but-not-quite compositions at their best, I recommend their self-titled debut and most recent Hypnotize. You should probably also get Mezmerize as it and Hypnoytize are intended to be a double album released separately...I just prefer the latter.

I'm sure many others will be able to chime in with many other recommendations.

A short list to combine the thrashy, Maiden-esque and accessible elements by the bands you listed above...

Trivum - The Crusade
Avenged Sevenfold - City of Evil
Testament - The Formation of Damnation

[leonaozaki]

Welcome back to the fold! The most natural progression from what you listed above and best of the 90s that you would have missed is Pantera. I recommend Cowboys from Hell and Vulgar Display of Power. These were their first two major label efforts and, IMO, best before their singer got too messed up on heroin and lost his way a bit.

Thanks a lot for the tips! I've heard a lot about Pantera, of course, but never heard them. So they go on the list.



Also, check out the last couple from Megadeth, The System has Failed and United Abominations. Both are updated strong returns to form with that classic guitar work and speed metal elements thrown back in.


Are they better than Youthanasia? Because that album really didn't do anything for me and kind of soured me on Megadeth for a while.



Trivum - The Crusade
Avenged Sevenfold - City of Evil
Testament - The Formation of Damnation

Oh, I forgot to mention Testament. I do have New World Order but I'll check those albums and bands out. Thanks again!

rob

[jesse_custer]

Yeah, I second those Pantera albums.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I found The Great Southern Trendkill to be pretty damn enjoyable.

But that's just me.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Also, I'd recommend Low by Testament.

[ImpulseUCF]

Thanks a lot for the tips! I've heard a lot about Pantera, of course, but never heard them. So they go on the list.Ohhh, man! I had somehow missed them except for one or two songs until just over a year and a half ago. I didn't realize what I was missing out on! Incredible guitars and the energy is intense. Those albums pummel you.

Are they better than Youthanasia? Because that album really didn't do anything for me and kind of soured me on Megadeth for a while.Much better. Youthanasia is one of my least favorite Megadeth albums. All that sets it above Risk and The World Needs a Hero for me is Marty Friedman on lead guitar. His solos alone are worth the price....but really, just them alone. The rest kinda blows.

I also really loved Cryptic Writings, but if you are looking for classic Megadeth you might not like it. That was when they hit their stride and nailed the balance between being heavy and being commercially accessible. Exceptional heavy hard rock album. Not really a whole lot of metal on there. It sits somewhere between hard rock and metal but rocks. It has some brutal riffs, outstanding song structure and some of Friedman's best solos.

I found The Great Southern Trendkill to be pretty damn enjoyable.I like it okay. It was two things for me that started to turn me off Pantera after the first two major ones: Vocals and loss of creativity. While Dime's playing was still phenomonal, they seemed to be less focused on crafting good songs and more on being as heavy as possible. Rather than just being heavy, it would have been better to make the best heavy songs possible. Also, Phil got all torn down with his heroin addiction and seemed to lose all vocal range he used to have in favor of trying to shred his vocal chords for 70 minutes.

The System has Failed
Back in the Day - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTexMKOMUho

United Abominations - this one really channels the classic stuff.
Sleepwalker - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRGBi_ii3sk
Washington is Next - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U44XJeqHpAM
Burnt Ice - live - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hiItoUpuJE

From Cryptic Writings
Mastermind - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpjEGenVEf4
Use the Man - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Co_N938k0
The Disintegrators - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chcV6Wm5grg


I just can't stand those kind of balls-out screaming vocals. He walked the fine line very well and closely on CFH and VDoP, but it seems like he just said the hell with it after that. That's cool for some people, but I just can't get past those kinds of vocals.

[DWEarhart]

I could've lived without Reinventing the Steele from Pantera. I grew to like it slightly more over the years and there are some really good songs on there, but as a whole, I could've skipped it.

I absolutely loved GSTK when it first came out, but like most Pantera records, I'll only put it on every now and then.

I'm digging this album more every day. A sample from Grip Inc.'s Incorporated disc: Curse (of the Cloth) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfvHBeBSM24) and Built to Resist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-ehKw_xGo&feature=related). The rest of the album's faster. It may end up being my favorite from their catalogue.

Deathstroke gets credit for alerting me to this band:

Volbeat (http://www.myspace.com/volbeat). If Danzig took some uppers and stumbled into a Stray Cats reunion......

[DWEarhart]

What do you think of Death's Symbolic album as a whole and compared to the band's other albums?

Change is good. Whether the fans agree with the band is something else. This one and the follwow up The Sound of Perseverance elevated the progressive elements introduced in the album Human but still maintained an effective level of brutatlity.

I wouldn't call Symbolic my favorite Death album, but it's definitely top three.

[HectorP]

Change is good. Whether the fans agree with the band is something else. This one and the follwow up The Sound of Perseverance elevated the progressive elements introduced in the album Human but still maintained an effective level of brutatlity.

I wouldn't call Symbolic my favorite Death album, but it's definitely top three.

I've always seen Symbolic well rated overall, and the cover art is good.

I like Human, but the sound is ratty.

[DWEarhart]

I've always seen Symbolic well rated overall, and the cover art is good.

I like Human, but the sound is ratty.

It took me some time to figure it out, but Symbolic and Death overall felt like a big influence on Devin Townsend and Strapping Young Lad, but particularly Symbolic - of course, it may have been because Gene Hoglan was a part of both bands. But it seemed like Death had a 16-track recording unit while Strapping Young Lad had a 64-track recording unit and the legally documented insanity of Devin Townsend.

[stealthwise]

Great Southern Trendkill has some great slow songs, but not much else going for it overall, especially compared to the two albums prior to it.

And yes! VOLBEAT! God, that band rocks harshly in every way, shape and form.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, yes. From the slow songs, I especially like Floods. But I tend to agree with you. Far Beyond Driven is slightly better.

And what about Superjoint Ritual? Does anyone like that band? I listened to Use Once And Destroy, and I really liked it.

[stealthwise]

Superjoint Ritual would be better if it were of better quality, like DOWN, or if it didn't take itself so seriously, like the idiocy of HELLYEAH.

Good thing we have both DOWN and HELLYEAH instead. I found Anselmo's Superjoint voice is just terrible at times, and the songs themselves are reminiscient of Reinventing the Steel (which is not, in any way, shape, or form, a compliment).

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I see. Well, the only thing from Down I've listened so far is Nola, and I didn't find anything special in that album. Yes, Anselmo's voice isn't as good as his voice in the earlier Pantera albums, but isn't that bad either.

[DWEarhart]

And what about Superjoint Ritual? Does anyone like that band? I listened to Use Once And Destroy, and I really liked it.

I gave it chance after chance after chance; just couldn't get into it.

I do want to hear the album after it, though. From the sounds I've picked up from it, it seems like the production was more to my liking and the band was tighter.

[DWEarhart]

I see. Well, the only thing from Down I've listened so far is Nola, and I didn't find anything special in that album. Yes, Anselmo's voice isn't as good as his voice in the earlier Pantera albums, but isn't that bad either.

NOLA is still their best album, I think. I can put it on and hear it from start to finish any day. Their latest Over the Under is very good. Phil sings. Like, really sings. You can hear the damage done by the years of smokes and thrashing vocals, but it's nice to hear him croon again. A Bustle in Your Hedgerow was so-so. Some very good moments, but overall it's the one I've enjoyed the least.

There are songs on every album, however, that I can listen to all day long.

[DWEarhart]

And yes! VOLBEAT! God, that band rocks harshly in every way, shape and form.

After Deathstroke posted the cover for their upcoming album, I went and heard them, snatched up their first disc, and after listening and loving it; went out and snatched up their second album. Loved that one too.

I'm eagerly anticipating their newest one later this year. I dig the jams and the lyrics; everything, really.

[leonaozaki]

I don't know who's heard about this, but the next issue of Kerrang! will include an Iron Maiden tribute disc, "Maiden Heaven", with studio covers of Maiden songs by Metallica, Machine Head, A7x, Devildriver, Coheed and Cambria, Trivium and Dream Theater, among others.

They're all sounding pretty damn good, especially Metallica's "Remember Tomorrow", Machine Heads "Hallowed Be Thy Name" and, believe it or not, Avenged Sevenfold's "Flash of the Blade". Trivium's "Iron Maiden" is alright, but the vocals don't quite fit. Dream Theater's track doesn't have a sample, which sucks, but I expect it'll kick ass.



Cool. Thanks for the link. I dunno; I like the Trivium sample a lot. It reminds me a lot of the way Maiden used to sound, back in the day when Paul Di'Anno was singing. So I think the vocals work.

rob

[leonaozaki]

I just looked at the poll results and Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Metallica each have six votes.

Heh heh.

rob

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I just looked at the poll results and Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Metallica each have six votes.

Heh heh.

rob

I can't vote in that poll. I just can't.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I gave it chance after chance after chance; just couldn't get into it.

I do want to hear the album after it, though. From the sounds I've picked up from it, it seems like the production was more to my liking and the band was tighter.

Is that so? Is that album already out? I lost track of the band a while ago.


NOLA is still their best album, I think. I can put it on and hear it from start to finish any day. Their latest Over the Under is very good. Phil sings. Like, really sings. You can hear the damage done by the years of smokes and thrashing vocals, but it's nice to hear him croon again. A Bustle in Your Hedgerow was so-so. Some very good moments, but overall it's the one I've enjoyed the least.

There are songs on every album, however, that I can listen to all day long.

I dunno. Perhaps it's just that I haven't let the album grow on me. But like I said, I didn't find anything special. I'll give it another listen, to see if I change my mind.

Keeping it about side projects, what about Nailbomb?

[leonaozaki]

I can't vote in that poll. I just can't.

Well, what I meant was: the results for the three groups with the most votes can be arranged like this: 666.

Heh heh.

rob

[DWEarhart]

Keeping it about side projects, what about Nailbomb?

Nailbomb? Or the awesomeness that is Nailbomb? :cool:

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Glad you agree. Nailbomb kicks ass.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, what I meant was: the results for the three groups with the most votes can be arranged like this: 666.

Heh heh.

rob

HA! Good one.

... I think.:tongue:

[Brad Barton]

Here they be; "Maiden Heaven"

Black Tide - "Prowler" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7mvl3iRcL3M)

Metallica - "Remember Tomorrow" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZBnZexM6E)

Avenged Sevenfold - "Flash of the Blade" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8T92vXCGb34)

Glamour of the Kill - "2 Minutes to Midnight" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7wiVooa0oMU)

Coheed and Cambria - "The Trooper" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ADMr0sxuIU)

Devildriver - "Wasted Years" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p5pxu99jwzI)

Sign - "Run to the Hills" (sort of) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1OXD2vq9FAM)

Dream Theater - "To Tame A Land" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0eWjykvaoLo)

Fightstar - "Fear of the Dark" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-q4sd1HXdE)

Machine Head - "Hallowed Be Thy Name" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1hiIDrgUp9o)

Trivium - "Iron Maiden" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PNhjxV8G0-o)

Those are all that have surfaced so far, but the others will undoubtedly be up in time. At first listen, I'm really digging Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Dream Theater and Machine Head's covers. Coheed and Cambria and Trivium really delivered as well.

[Brad Barton]

As I commented on the video itself, I think Sign's "Run to the Hills" sound really good. it's unique and has some great production, but it barely resembles the source material. I actually like it, but I'm betting a lot of Maiden faithfuls will fucking loathe it.

Maiden heads, what do you think? Did they take it too far?

[DonC]

Listening to Metallica right now. "Remember Tomorrow" isn't the first Maiden song I would have picked for them, but it mostly works.

Black Tide - Not bad, but nothing special

Avenged Sevenfold - Very nice; good choice of song

Glamour of the Kill - What is this, Poison? Get the fuck out of here

Coheed and Cambria - Not bad and, hey, the Iron Maidens are looking for a new singer

Devildriver - Go get Numbers from the Beast: An All-Star Tribute to Iron Maiden; listen to Lemmy singing this song; (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMaJ6SPE1fY) learn from Lemmy

Sign - The first 45 seconds are great; the rest is kind of so-so. I can see myself turning it on when I'm in a mellow mood, but not when I want to rock out. I am kind of curious to hear their own stuff, though

Dream Theater - I would have been more surprised if this was bad; another good choice of song

Fightstar - Who the hell told that guy he could sing? Someone call Chuck Billy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zvHiI93jAgY)

Machine Head - Saw video of them doing it live at Rock in Rio, it's even better than this

Trivium - Not my thing

[DonC]

Oh, hey, if you're interested in Numbers from the Beast, here's the wiki page about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_from_the_Beast

It has a complete list of who did what on the CD. I recommend tracking a copy down if you can. Just skip "The Evil that Men Do." Trust me on that.

[DWEarhart]

Anthrax did an outstanding cover of Remeber Tomorrow. I've played it for friends and it takes them a while to tell the difference between the two.

As for covers, I'm okay if bands mix it up. I think it's healthy, just don't make it suck, like most bands do these days.

[DWEarhart]

Metal covering grunge. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9KqOEHPpI)

It's all marketing titles. Music is music. There's good and there's bad. Why did I bring it up? Because I can. And then there's the whole whiskey issue.

Metal covering soul/r&b/whatever you wanna call it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPXkJg3-xKI)

Two vocal generations of Anthrax covering one of my all-time favorite songs.

[Brad Barton]

"Death Magnetic" Cover art. (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?1=1&item=601021)

First impressions?

[Brad Barton]

Metal covering soul/r&b/whatever you wanna call it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPXkJg3-xKI)

Two vocal generations of Anthrax covering one of my all-time favorite songs.Yup, that sold it. I definitely like John Bush better as a singer.

[Ben Morgan]

"Death Magnetic" Cover art. (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?1=1&item=601021)

First impressions?

That looks awesome.

[HectorP]

Not half bad. Doesn't beat Shovel Headed Kill Machine, though. :p

[stealthwise]

That looks awesome.

Agreed. Phenomenally stylized, almost hypnotic use of negative space.

[DWEarhart]

Agreed. Phenomenally stylized, almost hypnotic use of negative space.

Cool. Cool.

But, for my taste, there's negative space (which I admire) and then there's crap on a stick.

Metallica, I'm glad you are healthy, I'm glad that you are aware - - - - but being the dick that I am; get back on the hootch.

[DWEarhart]

Agreed. Phenomenally stylized, almost hypnotic use of negative space.

Cool. Cool.

But, for my taste, there's negative space (which I admire) and then there's crap on a stick, which is there because they won't buy the coffin.

Metallica, I'm glad you are healthy, I'm glad that you are aware - - - - but being the dick that I am; get back on the hootch.

[DWEarhart]

double post

[Deathstroke]

Not half bad. Doesn't beat Shovel Headed Kill Machine, though. :p

I gave that Exodus CD a decent but not great review. Later I went back and listened again and loved it more than before.

[leonaozaki]

Okay, so I wanted to thank jesse custer and Impulse again for those great recommendations.

I am totally digging Blood Mountain, The Crusade, City of Evil, and Cowboys from Hell.

Here's another question. When I was looking up Mastodon, Trivium and Avenged Sevenfold I came across the word "metalcore" a lot. What does it mean? Does it mean something more than a combination of metal and hardcore? Thanks!

rob

[leonaozaki]

Cool. Cool.

But, for my taste, there's negative space (which I admire) and then there's crap on a stick.

Metallica, I'm glad you are healthy, I'm glad that you are aware - - - - but being the dick that I am; get back on the hootch.

Because they made better music when they were Alcoholica?

rob

[666MasterOfPuppets]

"Death Magnetic" Cover art. (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?1=1&item=601021)

First impressions?

Really digging it. It calls my attention that it's simpler than their previous studio album covers.

Has anyone pre-ordered the album already?

[DWEarhart]

Because they made better music when they were Alcoholica?

rob

At first, yes, but who knows? The same could be mentioned for plenty of artists in any field. Some folks' best music is made after they've sobered up as well. Maybe this album will be what the metal fans have been wanting. But their health should come first.

And I know what's bugging me about that cover. Too much white. I can't stand an overload of white.

[Brad Barton]

I think the cover is great. Nice, simple, relevant, aesthetically pleasing, and open to interpretation.

The lines indicating a Magnetic field are obviously lost on some people. I think it's pretty imaginative, personally, and the fact that it's primarily white doesn't bother me a bit. Anyone remember ...And Justice For All?

[DWEarhart]

Brutal Truth Are Back!!!

Woooohoooooo!!

[DWEarhart]

Okay, so I wanted to thank jesse custer and Impulse again for those great recommendations.

I am totally digging Blood Mountain, The Crusade, City of Evil, and Cowboys from Hell.

Here's another question. When I was looking up Mastodon, Trivium and Avenged Sevenfold I came across the word "metalcore" a lot. What does it mean? Does it mean something more than a combination of metal and hardcore? Thanks!

rob

It sounds like it would, and that's what I thought at first, but it's supposedly a mix of hardcore punk ( like Black Flag, Bad Brains) and heavy metal.

[leonaozaki]

At first, yes, but who knows? The same could be mentioned for plenty of artists in any field. Some folks' best music is made after they've sobered up as well. Maybe this album will be what the metal fans have been wanting. But their health should come first.

Oh, I agree that returning to hard drinking probably be good in the long run. It's like you say: who knows? On the one hand you have people like Eric Clapton, who has (arguably) gone steadily downhill since he got clean and sober. Then you have someone like Warren Zevon, who made much better music after he got out of rehab (again, arguably).

So, with Metallica, I just don't know. What I've heard of the new album interests me but we'll see.



And I know what's bugging me about that cover. Too much white. I can't stand an overload of white.

I don't know. It's just kind of...there. I like the magnetic effect but that's kind of it.

rob

[DWEarhart]

So, with Metallica, I just don't know. What I've heard of the new album interests me but we'll see.

I stopped liking Metallica after Master of Puppets. But that's me. I'll check this one out if a buddy's got a copy or something, I suppose.


I don't know. It's just kind of...there. I like the magnetic effect but that's kind of it.

rob

It reminds me of a Slave Labor Graphics cover. As for too much white, it's a near-psychosomatic issue with me.

[ImpulseUCF]

Okay, so I wanted to thank jesse custer and Impulse again for those great recommendations.

I am totally digging Blood Mountain, The Crusade, City of Evil, and Cowboys from Hell.Glad to hear that! I definitely still strongly recommend Pantera's next album, Vulgar Display of Power. The ones after that have varying reviews, but VDoP and CFH are pretty much universally considered classics.

Also, for me, City of Evil is the only Avenged Sevenfold album worth grabbing. Their songwriting and ability wasn't there for the first two albums and their latest is just..lazy and generic. It's like they didn't even try to write good music and let their fame go their head.

[Brad Barton]

The official (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601036) tracklisting to "Death Magnetic" (in running order):


1. That Was Just Your Life
2. The End Of The Line
3. Broken, Beat & Scarred
4. The Day That Never Comes
5. All Nightmare Long
6. Cyanide
7. The Unforgiven III
8. The Judas Kiss
9. Suicide & Redemption
10. My Apocalypse

I like some of them (Broken, Beat & Scarred, The Judas Kiss, Suicide & Redemption, My Apocalypse) and think the rest fall into varying shades of "meh".

Opinions?

[Deathstroke]

The official (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601036) tracklisting to "Death Magnetic" (in running order):



I like some of them (Broken, Beat & Scarred, The Judas Kiss, Suicide & Redemption, My Apocalypse) and think the rest fall into varying shades of "meh".

Opinions?

I don't judge a song by the title until after I've actually heard the song itself.

By the way, my Update thread had the tracklisting posted yesterday afternoon....

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The official (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601036) tracklisting to "Death Magnetic" (in running order):



I like some of them (Broken, Beat & Scarred, The Judas Kiss, Suicide & Redemption, My Apocalypse) and think the rest fall into varying shades of "meh".

Opinions?

I'm digging the names. We'll have to see if Unforgiven III is as good as the others.

[Brad Barton]

I don't judge a song by the title until after I've actually heard the song itself.Obviously, but I wasn't "judging the songs". I was throwing out which titles, at first glance, sound cool.

[HectorP]

My Apocalypse made me think of Arch Enemy right away. How's that?

I hope the album avoids bloat, production woes and uncatchiness. I'll be paying attention. :p


I gave that Exodus CD a decent but not great review. Later I went back and listened again and loved it more than before.

Same happened with me. I expected it to be more like the former album and got bummed, but on its own it's a fun, catchy thrash album, nothing more. I liked the artwork and title as well.

[stealthwise]

The official (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601036) tracklisting to "Death Magnetic" (in running order):



I like some of them (Broken, Beat & Scarred, The Judas Kiss, Suicide & Redemption, My Apocalypse) and think the rest fall into varying shades of "meh".

Opinions?


Eh, whatever. None of those get me pumped, although I'm intrigued as to what they think they'll be able to do with the Unforgiven III.

To be honest, I'd like the new album to just come out so I can hear it, but I'm way more pumped for the new Volbeat and Slipknot albums. Isn't there a new Mudvayne this year too?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm saying it now....and its not to be an ass towards Hetfield's alcohalism. But if the dude is drinking he can write kick ass fuckin songs. If he's all happy , peaceful and doing group therapy we could get another St.ANGER.

[stealthwise]

I'm saying it now....and its not to be an ass towards Hetfield's alcohalism. But if the dude is drinking he can write kick ass fuckin songs. If he's all happy , peaceful and doing group therapy we could get another St.ANGER.

Not really. The biggest problem with St. Anger was that they were only spending about 3-4 hours a day actually working, for months on end, with BOB ROCK.

Also, he let Hammett and Rock have input.

F all that shite, he needs to take control and write the way he can, and let the other guys focus on the stuff that they excel at (i.e. Lars at arrangements and drums, Hammett at leads and solos, and Trujillo at that funky crab walk he does, oh, and bass too).

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Not really. The biggest problem with St. Anger was that they were only spending about 3-4 hours a day actually working, for months on end, with BOB ROCK.

Also, he let Hammett and Rock have input.

F all that shite, he needs to take control and write the way he can, and let the other guys focus on the stuff that they excel at (i.e. Lars at arrangements and drums, Hammett at leads and solos, and Trujillo at that funky crab walk he does, oh, and bass too).

The group therapy sessions and Lars relationship stuff seemed to hurt the music last time. I can't help but wonder if all of Hetfield's issues impacted the song writing as well. He did have final call on some things I'm sure. But didn't stop it.

Please....please James Hetfield...be pissed and angry as you used to be.

[stealthwise]

The group therapy sessions and Lars relationship stuff seemed to hurt the music last time. I can't help but wonder if all of Hetfield's issues impacted the song writing as well. He did have final call on some things I'm sure. But didn't stop it.

Please....please James Hetfield...be pissed and angry as you used to be.

Seriously, I don't even think there was a "final call," it was that stupid "Guerrila recording" that consisted of Rock lazing around going, "listen to this crap, guys," them nodding along, and then suddenly the album needed to go out, so they slapped together what they had. Very unprofessional, uncohesive, and unorganized. This time around it seems like they've got their shit together.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Seriously, I don't even think there was a "final call," it was that stupid "Guerrila recording" that consisted of Rock lazing around going, "listen to this crap, guys," them nodding along, and then suddenly the album needed to go out, so they slapped together what they had. Very unprofessional, uncohesive, and unorganized. This time around it seems like they've got their shit together.

Its got Rick Rubin and its said he'll call artists out if their half assin it. So its gotta be good to have Rubin involved.

[stealthwise]

Its got Rick Rubin and its said he'll call artists out if their half assin it. So its gotta be good to have Rubin involved.

I agree. Rubin is a dream producer. People don't always agree with the results, but in my mind, he always manages to bring out the best from the bands he works with. SOAD, RHCP, Slayer (Diabolus especially)...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I agree. Rubin is a dream producer. People don't always agree with the results, but in my mind, he always manages to bring out the best from the bands he works with. SOAD, RHCP, Slayer (Diabolus especially)...

As well as Johnny Cash and Neil Diamond !

[HectorP]

Hey, Rubin was on board for Reign In Blood as well, right? That turned out all right as well. :p

I need to get Show No Mercy one of these days.

[awm]

And Seasons in the Abyss, amongst others that do not touch Seasons.

[Gene M.]

My Apocalypse made me think of Arch Enemy right away. How's that?
Probably reminded you of the AE sing My Apocalypse from a couple of years ago. One of the better tracks off of Doomsday Machine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZM-d2qD15E

[DWEarhart]

New Brutal Truth from the compilation This Comp Kills Fascists. (http://www.myspace.com/brutalfuckingtruth)

I'm not a big fan of grindcore, but I fricking love Brutal Truth. And the band holds one of the founders of Anthrax and S.O.D. - Dan Liker.

[awm]

What is your favorite Brutal Truth album?

[DWEarhart]

What is your favorite Brutal Truth album?

Gah!

I would saaaaayyyyy.......either Extreme Conditions.... and Sounds of the Animal Kingdom would be up there. I dig Need to Control and Kill Trend Suicide, but I guess those two really blew me away.

[DWEarhart]

Anyone else a fan of The Heavils? (http://www.myspace.com/theheavils)

Gah damn it's hard to find their albums. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwITdwdyQc)

[ZombieHavoc]

Here's another question. When I was looking up Mastodon, Trivium and Avenged Sevenfold I came across the word "metalcore" a lot. What does it mean? Does it mean something more than a combination of metal and hardcore? Thanks!

rob

Metalcore was initially a kind of offshoot of the hardcore sub-genre. It was kids that had grown up listening to hardcore AND metal, and were sort of just incorporation solos and blastbeats into chug-chug hardcore.

It eventually morphed into some kind of weird thing where you look at these guys and you wonder if they've ever heard a punk record in their lives. Metalcore developed into it's own thing, completely separate from hardcore.

I don't care for any of it, but that's the proberbial dilly-o.

Probably the only good metalcore band, IMO, was Scarlet.

[Lupek]

Heavy Metal Kids - Delirious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UmRVwfqtuA)

Tygers Of Pan Tang - Raised On Rock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-q6xIUMjg)

Motorhead - Shine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w77YfeGePOg)

[awm]

Yeah basically a bunch of bands with more and more metal influences started playing hardcore shows. Bands like Morning Again and Earth Crisis had the same sort of political messages as hardcore bands but sounded more like metal than like punk. Eventually you had bands like Poison the Well playing hardcore shows alongside hardcore bands with very little punk influence and mostly sang about personal issues. That's where bands like Atreyu and Killswitch Engage come from. Before signing to Roadrunner Records or whoever and making the big bucks from kids who dress like Davey Havok, they played alongside hardcore bands like Bane and Reach the Sky.

Anyway, the band that did this the best is Integrity.
Integrity's Those Who Fear Tomorrow and Hatebreed's Satisfaction is the Death of Desire are probably the beginning and end of what I would recommend from this genre even though I am sure I owned well over a hundred albums from bands like these at one point.

[Lupek]

Wasted Youth - Good Day For A Hanging (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxelZ4JR0L8)

[Lupek]

Adrenalin OD - Rock n' Roll Gas Station (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0JD4iafD6U)

[DWEarhart]

Heavy Metal Kids - Delirious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UmRVwfqtuA)

:biggrin: ...tee hee...:biggrin:


Tygers Of Pan Tang - Raised On Rock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-q6xIUMjg)

These guys, Hawkwind, and Ciruth Ungoul I know because of Michael Moorcock, and I am thankful.


Wasted Youth - Good Day For A Hanging (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxelZ4JR0L8)

I looooved these guys in their punk days.

[Brad Barton]

Metallica dropped a new song at Ozzfest last night - "Cyanide" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb__MEJzXZg)

To my knowledge this is not the first single, if anything it's probably something of a deep cut. Not sure whether I like it or I'm "meh" on it, but I;m definitely not hating it.

First impressions?

[jesse_custer]

I cannot evaluate the song given the sound quality. It does not sound like St. Anger, so that's a start.

[Super Sonic]

Hey guys, been a while since I got some new music and when I have, I've really only gotten classic stuff that was recommended here and have fallen behind on current music.

The only 2008 album I think I have is Cavallera Conspiracy, so what would youg guys say are the best albums of 2008 so far?
Any help would be appreciated.

[ImpulseUCF]

Hmmm...Lack of hatred is pretty high praise for Metallica from some people. :) It's about as high praise as the band could hope to get from some.

I like it okay, but as Jesse Custer said, sound quality is shite. I like it. I think it'll flow better on the album. Good groove on it. If you remove the Black album from the equation, this song is remniscent of an actual missing link between Justice and Black. I really like the riff and groove on the "suicide" verse. Also, nice to hear Lars actually beat those drums for more than keeping time for the fist time in almost 20 years.

I'm listening and reacting to it live now. Lots of unexpected beats and changes, so it's at least sonically dynamic and more interesting than slow plodding 4x4. And whoa, there's Kirk! I can hear him! That's a nice improvement.

You know, I think if they sped up the tempo a bit except for the groovin' verse it would feel a lot heavier.

Do I like it? Tentative yes!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

From what I heard, I can say that I kinda like it. And "kinda", because the quality didn't let me appreciate the thing as it should have been.

It does sound much better than St. Anger, like jesse_custer said. Which is good.

[awm]

Metallica should stick to Mercyful Fate medleys.

[Hellstorm]

Metallica dropped a new song at Ozzfest last night - "Cyanide" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb__MEJzXZg)

To my knowledge this is not the first single, if anything it's probably something of a deep cut. Not sure whether I like it or I'm "meh" on it, but I;m definitely not hating it.

First impressions?

I just listened to it twice, not because I had strong feelings for it one way or the other, just because I wanted to try and give it a fair shake, and the sound quality is "less than great". :cool:

I'm not hating it, but I'm far from loving it, and I don't think that sound quality is the issue.

Consider the jury still out on Death Magnetic.

[Hellstorm]

If you remove the Black album from the equation, this song is remniscent of an actual missing link between Justice and Black.


It reminds me of something a little older...



I really like the riff and groove on the "suicide" verse.


... like Seek and Destroy.

[HectorP]

I'll have the perfect excuse to get Swansong soon. :smile:


Metallica should stick to Mercyful Fate medleys.

No, they should dabble in Hair Metal like Celtic Frost did in the 80s.

[Brad Barton]

I cannot evaluate the song given the sound quality. It does not sound like St. Anger, so that's a start.True. As I've said a few times, after St. Anger the benchmark is set pretty low. If anything better than St. Anger is going to be considered a success, I'll go ahead and call DM a success now.


I like it okay, but as Jesse Custer said, sound quality is shite. I like it. I think it'll flow better on the album. Good groove on it. If you remove the Black album from the equation, this song is remniscent of an actual missing link between Justice and Black. I could see that, but the Load's are definitely present to my ears. I really think that Death Magnetic is going to end up sounding like nothing but Death Magnetic.


From what I heard, I can say that I kinda like it. And "kinda", because the quality didn't let me appreciate the thing as it should have been.Agreed. If I can dig a live version with shitty sound, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to dig the studio cut a lot more.


I'm not hating it, but I'm far from loving it, and I don't think that sound quality is the issue.

Consider the jury still out on Death Magnetic.I'm pretty close to you on this with a slight difference. I don't quite love it, but I'm far from hating it.

I think the album could go either way from this track. If this is one of the weaker songs, I'd say we're in for a damn good album. If this is one of the better songs, well....at least it'll be better than St. Anger.

[cactusmaac]

Hey guys, been a while since I got some new music and when I have, I've really only gotten classic stuff that was recommended here and have fallen behind on current music.

The only 2008 album I think I have is Cavallera Conspiracy, so what would youg guys say are the best albums of 2008 so far?
Any help would be appreciated.

Check out the Black Tide's album.

[Deathstroke]

True. As I've said a few times, after St. Anger the benchmark is set pretty low. If anything better than St. Anger is going to be considered a success, I'll go ahead and call DM a success now.


Metallica doesn't get the benefit of the doubt with me anymore, so I'm not going to join you in premature congratulations yet.

I want to actually hear the CD first, then I'll decide whether to cheer or vomit.

[Brad Barton]

Metallica doesn't get the benefit of the doubt with me anymore, so I'm not going to join you in premature congratulations yet.You missed my point completely, I was being facetious. "St. Anger's so bad that no matter how DM sounds it'll be considered a comparative success".

Make sense now?

[Deathstroke]

You missed my point completely, I was being facetious. "St. Anger's so bad that no matter how DM sounds it'll be considered a comparative success".

Make sense now?

Ahhh see now when you say so a two year old can understand it, I get it.

Sometimes I'm just thick in the head.

[twilight]

Metallica tour dates:

10/21/2008 Glendale, AZ Jobing Arena
10/23/2008 Albuquerque, NM Tingley Coliseum
10/25/2008 Kansas City, MO Sprint Center
10/26/2008 Des Moines, IA Wells Fargo Arena
11/1/2008 Portland, OR Rose Quarter
11/3/2008 Salt Lake City, UT Energy Solutions Arena
11/4/2008 Denver, CO Pepsi Center
11/6/2008 Omaha, NE Qwest Center
11/8/2008 Moline, IL iWireless Center
11/9/2008 Columbus, OH Schottenstein Center
11/17/2008 St. Louis, MO Scottrade Center
11/18/2008 Tulsa, OK BOK Center
11/20/2008 Houston, TX Toyota Center
11/22/2008 Little Rock, AR Alltel Arena
11/23/2008 New Orleans, LA New Orleans Arena
12/1/2008 Seattle, WA Key Arena
12/2/2008 Vancouver, BC GM Place
12/4/2008 Calgary, Canada Pengrowth Saddledome
12/7/2008 Edmonton, Canada Rexall Place
12/12/2008 Ontario, CA Citizens Bank Arena
12/13/2008 Fresno, CA Save Mart Center
12/15/2008 San Diego, CA Cox Arena
12/17/2008 Los Angeles, CA The Forum
12/20/2008 Oakland, CA Oracle Arena
1/12/2009 Milwaukee, WI Bradley Center
1/13/2009 Detroit, MI Joe Louis Arena
1/15/2009 Washington, DC Verizon Center
1/17/2009 Philadelphia, PA Wachovia Center
1/18/2009 Boston, MA TD Banknorth Center
1/26/2009 Chicago, IL Allstate Arena
1/29/2009 Uniondale, NY Nassau Coliseum
1/31/2009 Newark, NJ Prudential Center

-Twi

[stealthwise]

I have THREE opportunities to see Metallica in Canada and I'll likely be able to see one at best. Wife's pregnant, hard to get time off of work, and no money...

[4thHorseman]

Metallica tour dates:

10/21/2008 Glendale, AZ Jobing Arena
10/23/2008 Albuquerque, NM Tingley Coliseum
10/25/2008 Kansas City, MO Sprint Center
10/26/2008 Des Moines, IA Wells Fargo Arena
11/1/2008 Portland, OR Rose Quarter
11/3/2008 Salt Lake City, UT Energy Solutions Arena
11/4/2008 Denver, CO Pepsi Center
11/6/2008 Omaha, NE Qwest Center
11/8/2008 Moline, IL iWireless Center
11/9/2008 Columbus, OH Schottenstein Center
11/17/2008 St. Louis, MO Scottrade Center
11/18/2008 Tulsa, OK BOK Center
11/20/2008 Houston, TX Toyota Center
11/22/2008 Little Rock, AR Alltel Arena
11/23/2008 New Orleans, LA New Orleans Arena
12/1/2008 Seattle, WA Key Arena
12/2/2008 Vancouver, BC GM Place
12/4/2008 Calgary, Canada Pengrowth Saddledome
12/7/2008 Edmonton, Canada Rexall Place
12/12/2008 Ontario, CA Citizens Bank Arena
12/13/2008 Fresno, CA Save Mart Center
12/15/2008 San Diego, CA Cox Arena
12/17/2008 Los Angeles, CA The Forum
12/20/2008 Oakland, CA Oracle Arena
1/12/2009 Milwaukee, WI Bradley Center
1/13/2009 Detroit, MI Joe Louis Arena
1/15/2009 Washington, DC Verizon Center
1/17/2009 Philadelphia, PA Wachovia Center
1/18/2009 Boston, MA TD Banknorth Center
1/26/2009 Chicago, IL Allstate Arena
1/29/2009 Uniondale, NY Nassau Coliseum
1/31/2009 Newark, NJ Prudential Center

-Twi

That's the date I'm going to. I just hope to god that the prices aren't too pricy. But I'm kinda worried that they will be.

[Lupek]

Melvins - Hooch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqrsShcHc_E)

Prong - Whose Fist Is This Anyway? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvubOwHRLw4)

[leonaozaki]

Metallica dropped a new song at Ozzfest last night - "Cyanide" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb__MEJzXZg)

To my knowledge this is not the first single, if anything it's probably something of a deep cut. Not sure whether I like it or I'm "meh" on it, but I;m definitely not hating it.

First impressions?

It wasn't terrible but they're going to have to do a lot better than "not sucking."

rob

[HectorP]

Carcass is baaaaaaack.

[Brad Barton]

Carcass is baaaaaaack.Video, or it isn't true!

[mofo]

slipknots new album (all hope is gone) comes out in a day or 2
i hear its pretty durn sweet
who else is psyched for it???

also...their video psychosocial is nominated for best rock video at the VMA's
make sure you check it out

[Deathstroke]

Video, or it isn't true!

Ummmm haven't we been talking about their return for a while now.

[Brad Barton]

Ummmm haven't we been talking about their return for a while now.And another one flies over Deathstroke's head. :wink:

[Deathstroke]

And another one flies over Deathstroke's head. :wink:

I give up...I'm way to slow on the pickup lately.

[DWEarhart]

slipknots new album (all hope is gone) comes out in a day or 2
i hear its pretty durn sweet
who else is psyched for it???

also...their video psychosocial is nominated for best rock video at the VMA's
make sure you check it out

I'll probably borrow it from a friend. The video for Psychosocial, I thought, wasn't all that, nor was the song, but I liked Vol. 3 way more than Iowa, so I'll give All Hope is Gone a proper listening.

Corey Taylor sure loves wanting to be a martyr.

[DWEarhart]

Metallica dropped a new song at Ozzfest last night - "Cyanide" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb__MEJzXZg)

To my knowledge this is not the first single, if anything it's probably something of a deep cut. Not sure whether I like it or I'm "meh" on it, but I;m definitely not hating it.

First impressions?

Finally heard it as it played at the gym; reminded me of one particular Megadeth era. Now I'm just trying to figure out which one.

[Hellstorm]

I'll probably borrow it from a friend. The video for Psychosocial, I thought, wasn't all that, nor was the song, but I liked Vol. 3 way more than Iowa, so I'll give All Hope is Gone a proper listening.

Corey Taylor sure loves wanting to be a martyr.

It's ok, but I wish Corey would stop trying to make Slipknot sound like Stone Sour.

I love the first 2 Slipknot CDs, and feel they really fell off after that.

[DWEarhart]

It's ok, but I wish Corey would stop trying to make Slipknot sound like Stone Sour.

I love the first 2 Slipknot CDs, and feel they really fell off after that.

I don't know. I got tired of the first Stone Sour album real quick and never heard the second one. Is it Corey? Isn't one of Slipknot's guitarists in Stone Sour as well? Could it be Roadrunner intervening?

I tried hearing Iowa again the other day. I think, three songs I liked, and that was it. Their first album still kicks fooking arse.

[Hellstorm]

I don't know. I got tired of the first Stone Sour album real quick and never heard the second one. Is it Corey? Isn't one of Slipknot's guitarists in Stone Sour as well? Could it be Roadrunner intervening?

I tried hearing Iowa again the other day. I think, three songs I liked, and that was it. Their first album still kicks fooking arse.

I liked the first Stone Sour CD a lot - as a Stone Sour CD. I generally didn't care for Slipknot Vol 3, which mostly sounded like Stone Sour Vol 2 (to me).

[ImpulseUCF]

I like it okay, but as Jesse Custer said, sound quality is shite. I like it. I think it'll flow better on the album. Good groove on it. If you remove the Black album from the equation, this song is remniscent of an actual missing link between Justice and Black.
I could see that, but the Load's are definitely present to my ears.D'oh! Typo. I meant if you take away the Black album, it sounds like the link between Justice and Load, not Black. I guess I mean it sounds like a more natural progression between Justice and Load than Black was.

I really think that Death Magnetic is going to end up sounding like nothing but Death Magnetic.Yep. Let's just how that Death Magnetic sounds good. ;) Just based on the clips and and this song, the album is bound to have at least a few solid songs and riffs.

I'll probably borrow it from a friend. The video for Psychosocial, I thought, wasn't all that, nor was the song, but I liked Vol. 3 way more than Iowa, so I'll give All Hope is Gone a proper listening.

Corey Taylor sure loves wanting to be a martyr.

I don't know, it sounds pretty Slipknotty to me, except for the wussed out chorus. However, I've hated a lot of choruses in modern rock and metal for about 10 years, so that's nothing new.

It sounds a little too slow. The tempo should be a little bit faster and the guitars should be just a bit more aggressive and thrashier on the verse...instead of the slow chug, throw in a couple galloping triplets. So, speed it up and add some flash and you have a rippin song. Even as it is, it's pretty good. Definitely the mellowest I've heard from them, but far harder than Stonesour.

EDIT - Yeah, I sped up the tempo with Audacity of the song by 20%, and it is a LOT more rockin'. Check it out.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8sUWV8DMrdw - might not be done processing yet, but should be up soon

[ImpulseUCF]

:eek: Wow! has anyone else checked out the latest Fly on the Wall videos at Mission Metallica?? That shit sounds GOOD! I really don't want to get excited, but it sounds like a METALLICA album is coming out on September 12. I'm getting a little excited....

Especially check out August 18th,

[Deathstroke]

I am really digging the Disturbed single "Into The Fire".

Now if only I can get my hands on the album.

[ImpulseUCF]

itunes, torrents, amazon, your local record store.... :) Many options for you.

[jesse_custer]

The singer from Disturbed strikes me as someone who sings unnaturally.

[ImpulseUCF]

Would you mind clarifying? I don't understand what you mean by singing unnaturally.

[jesse_custer]

His singing is forced. Like he is consciously manipulating his voice.

[Deathstroke]

itunes, torrents, amazon, your local record store.... :) Many options for you.

I know that, I just have to have the spare cash is what I meant.

[Gene M.]

MTV.com posted a new interview with Jeff Walker today concerning the reasons behind the Carcass reunion.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1592863/20080814/carcass.jhtml

[ImpulseUCF]

His singing is forced. Like he is consciously manipulating his voice.As opposed to...? I guess I still don't get it. Manipulating as in fake singing?

[Brad Barton]

:eek: Wow! has anyone else checked out the latest Fly on the Wall videos at Mission Metallica?? That shit sounds GOOD! I really don't want to get excited, but it sounds like a METALLICA album is coming out on September 12. I'm getting a little excited....

Especially check out August 18th,Yeah, I heard that FotW and felt like I'd been reintroduced to an old friend. I don't think I've heard Metallica sound like that since The Black Album, if not earlier.


His singing is forced. Like he is consciously manipulating his voice.I think I understand what you mean. He's raising his natural voice dramatically, and the way he fluctuates between clean singing and growling can seem a little forced at times.

However, don't all singers do this to a certain extent? Isn't Hetfield consciously manipulating his growl? Isn't, say, Sebastian Bach very consciously manipulating his voice when he goes shatter-the-windows falsetto? I don't think it's the manipulation so much as the execution with Draiman.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I am really digging the Disturbed single "Into The Fire".

Now if only I can get my hands on the album.

Is that right? I've been able to listen to more than a few Disturbed songs on LaunchCAST, and I really haven't cared about any of them.

[Deathstroke]

Is that right? I've been able to listen to more than a few Disturbed songs on LaunchCAST, and I really haven't cared about any of them.

Do you like the band in the first place?

I'm a big fan, so if you don't like them, that could play a factor in why you don't like the new stuff.

To each their own of course.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Do you like the band in the first place?

I'm a big fan, so if you don't like them, that could play a factor in why you don't like the new stuff.

To each their own of course.

I haven't liked any of what I've heard so far. But I could give this new song a listen, nonetheless. Could you post a link?

[jesse_custer]

As opposed to...? I guess I still don't get it. Manipulating as in fake singing?

A good singer should be able to sing without sounding like he's going to pass out from trying too hard. I also wonder whether the guy's voice is really his voice. Like when you listen to Louis Armstrong, that's obviously his voice, no bullshit. He knows how to control it, but he's not trying to sound like something other than himself.

Then you have Kurt Cobain, who would sometimes drift into screaming territory, but he was able to convince me there was a good reason for doing that, thematically. Draiman strikes me as someone trying to impress the crowd with what he attempts to do, but that's it. Very empty singing even though he's trying hard.


However, don't all singers do this to a certain extent? Isn't Hetfield consciously manipulating his growl? Isn't, say, Sebastian Bach very consciously manipulating his voice when he goes shatter-the-windows falsetto? I don't think it's the manipulation so much as the execution with Draiman.

Only the best singers are really able to pull it off, and they always have a good reason to do so. Hetfield's singing as of late has been too forced and shallow. I've never thought Bach was a notable singer.

[ImpulseUCF]

Gotcha, he sounds douchey. That's all I needed. :)

[Deathstroke]

I haven't liked any of what I've heard so far. But I could give this new song a listen, nonetheless. Could you post a link?


I don't have one to provide unfortunately. I'll have to look around on the Net unless someone here beats me to the punch.

[Deathstroke]

I heard the new Metallica single today.

It's not bad. The opening is really soft and Hetfield tries to sound like he's "really" singing in the opening lyrics, but the song does kick it up a notch after that.

Not the greatest but I can report that the band included REAL drums on at least this track.

[Brad Barton]

Yeah, it's up on their website - "The Day That Never Comes" (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601119)

I like it. The first half of the song is nice and ballad-y, great chorus. The second half of the song, while a bit meandering, is nice and heavy and riffy. Good stuff. It's not the greatest thing they've ever done, but it's definitely got more energy and enthusiasm than anything they've done in over a decade.

Oh, and this song won't last five minutes on Rock radio. Too complicated and choppy and-- dare I say it-- Progressive. It's not a Verse-chorus-verse-chorus-breakdown-verse-chorus cookie-cutter radio track.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yeah, it's up on their website - "The Day That Never Comes" (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601119)

I like it. The first half of the song is nice and ballad-y, great chorus. The second half of the song, while a bit meandering, is nice and heavy and riffy. Good stuff. It's not the greatest thing they've ever done, but it's definitely got more energy and enthusiasm than anything they've done in over a decade.

Oh, and this song won't last five minutes on Rock radio. Too complicated and choppy and-- dare I say it-- Progressive. It's not a Verse-chorus-verse-chorus-breakdown-verse-chorus cookie-cutter radio track.

Its Metallica...they are a band that sells 1 million albums each release. I see Rock Radio playing it a lot like they did "St.Anger".

[DWEarhart]

I liked the first Stone Sour CD a lot - as a Stone Sour CD. I generally didn't care for Slipknot Vol 3, which mostly sounded like Stone Sour Vol 2 (to me).

I've been hearing All Hope is Gone these past couple of days. It's not a great album. It's not a bad album. It's just blah, and perhaps even boring. But that's my take on it. The kids will probably like it.

[Brad Barton]

Its Metallica...they are a band that sells 1 million albums each release. I see Rock Radio playing it a lot like they did "St.Anger".St. Anger got a little play, as The Day That Never Comes will, but as compared to previous singles it went out of regular circulation almost immediately.

I think this single will get more play than anything from St. Anger did, simply because the production is less offensive to the ears. If they can cut the slightly rambling second half of the song down some, I think it'll get good play. I'm anxious to hear the radio edit, and wondering if it might not be superior to the full cut.

[Deathstroke]

St. Anger got a little play, as The Day That Never Comes will, but as compared to previous singles it went out of regular circulation almost immediately.

I think this single will get more play than anything from St. Anger did, simply because the production is less offensive to the ears. If they can cut the slightly rambling second half of the song down some, I think it'll get good play. I'm anxious to hear the radio edit, and wondering if it might not be superior to the full cut.


When I heard it on the radio yesterday it was the 8 minute version I think. That's what the DJ said after the song.

[Hellstorm]

I've been hearing All Hope is Gone these past couple of days. It's not a great album. It's not a bad album. It's just blah, and perhaps even boring. But that's my take on it. The kids will probably like it.

That's my take on "The Day That Never Comes." It's not bad. It's just blah, and perhaps even boring.

I can't believe he said, "Love is a 4-letter word." http://ide.li/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[4thHorseman]

I can't believe he said, "Love is a 4-letter word." http://ide.li/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

I actually liked those two lines of lyrics. Very poetic in a way.

[ImpulseUCF]

:eek: Are you fucking kidding me? This is Metallica in 2008??

Come on guys, I know we're all supposed to hate Metallica after Napster and St. Anger, but I was grinning like an idiot while blasting that song in my car on the way to the gym. Fuckin' floored me. Not the lyrics, but the guitars - Beetheb is right...very progressive, most progressive thing they've done since Justice, if not even more so. Tight, clean playing, crisp production, blistering, actually dynamic and interesting to listen to. There were a few times they had almost convinced me it wasn't in 4/4.

Great song - very different from what I'm used to hearing period, so interesting to listen to. The weak point for me was Lars - man, that dude just cannot drum. Sure, he can keep time, but he has absolutely no style or flair at all. The music was begging and screaming for fills and more aggression, just....more, but no, Mr. Lars "keeping the beat" Ulrich brought basically nothing to the table. After the midway point, the rest of the guys were ready to fuckin' GO, but he just plodded along. He saved it all for the 3 second outtro. He's like the Michael Bay of drummers - he'll do just enough to scrape by and get the job done, but not one ounce more.

Also, a friend of mine in the music industry pointed out how much better it would have been with some better musical harmonies, arrangements, etc. This idea that just one dude in the band has to be the one doing all the vocals potentially lets down the final product. Interesting thought.

Still, I was blown away by the song and if the other songs on Death Magnetic are at least this good, I'm sold.

[jesse_custer]

I also thought Ulrich was off, especially during the first half. His slow beats are fucking embarrassing.

The song was a good start. Hetfield's vocals hold up for the most part. The guitars were definitely great, but I wish I could hear the bass more. That was also a big problem on ... And Justice For All. Thankfully, the song doesn't share Justice's fatal flaw of wearing out its welcome.

"The Day That Never Comes" is a hybrid of "No Leaf Clover" and "One." Seeing as how that's two of their best songs, I was pleased. Let's see where they go next.

[ImpulseUCF]

I also thought Ulrich was off, especially during the first half. His slow beats are fucking embarrassing.

The song was a good start. Hetfield's vocals hold up for the most part. The guitars were definitely great, but I wish I could hear the bass more. That was also a big problem on ... And Justice For All. Thankfully, the song doesn't share Justice's fatal flaw of wearing out its welcome.

"The Day That Never Comes" is a hybrid of "No Leaf Clover" and "One." Seeing as how that's two of their best songs, I was pleased. Let's see where they go next.Jesse, as I know you are also a fan of great drummers (Mitch Mitchell) I'm not surprised we agree on this. The lack of...well, anything brought to the table percussively holds the song back a bit. In my head, I could hear all the fills, breakdowns, flourishes and flairs that he should have plaid. Alas, my poor steering wheel took some abuse. :)

I really need to learn how to play the fucking drums.

I also thought Hetfield did a good job with the vocals, as good as to be expected from him. I don't think the bass situation was bad. I bought the song on iTunes and burned it to CD for my car, and it sounds great. The mixing is fine...perhaps it is the speakers you were listening on? I will say that I wish the song showcased Trujillo a little more, but I hope we'll get more of his personality on the rest of the record. It'd be a shame to waste such a phenomonal player.

There was definitely some Fade to Black influence in the opening solos.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I don't have one to provide unfortunately. I'll have to look around on the Net unless someone here beats me to the punch.

OK, thanx.


I heard the new Metallica single today.

It's not bad. The opening is really soft and Hetfield tries to sound like he's "really" singing in the opening lyrics, but the song does kick it up a notch after that.

Not the greatest but I can report that the band included REAL drums on at least this track.


Yeah, it's up on their website - "The Day That Never Comes" (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601119)

I like it. The first half of the song is nice and ballad-y, great chorus. The second half of the song, while a bit meandering, is nice and heavy and riffy. Good stuff. It's not the greatest thing they've ever done, but it's definitely got more energy and enthusiasm than anything they've done in over a decade.

Oh, and this song won't last five minutes on Rock radio. Too complicated and choppy and-- dare I say it-- Progressive. It's not a Verse-chorus-verse-chorus-breakdown-verse-chorus cookie-cutter radio track.

Listened to it a few instants ago. The way the song's built reminds me of their old "ballad-y-then-heavy" songs, which is good.

Yeah, it may be a bit meandering, but at least it doesn't stick to the same damn riffs over and over again. There's change, and I like that. And yeah, they put more effort into crafting this song than they did when composing the entirety of songs in St. Anger.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

:eek: Are you fucking kidding me? This is Metallica in 2008??

Come on guys, I know we're all supposed to hate Metallica after Napster and St. Anger, but I was grinning like an idiot while blasting that song in my car on the way to the gym. Fuckin' floored me. Not the lyrics, but the guitars - Beetheb is right...very progressive, most progressive thing they've done since Justice, if not even more so. Tight, clean playing, crisp production, blistering, actually dynamic and interesting to listen to. There were a few times they had almost convinced me it wasn't in 4/4.

Great song - very different from what I'm used to hearing period, so interesting to listen to. The weak point for me was Lars - man, that dude just cannot drum. Sure, he can keep time, but he has absolutely no style or flair at all. The music was begging and screaming for fills and more aggression, just....more, but no, Mr. Lars "keeping the beat" Ulrich brought basically nothing to the table. After the midway point, the rest of the guys were ready to fuckin' GO, but he just plodded along. He saved it all for the 3 second outtro. He's like the Michael Bay of drummers - he'll do just enough to scrape by and get the job done, but not one ounce more.

Also, a friend of mine in the music industry pointed out how much better it would have been with some better musical harmonies, arrangements, etc. This idea that just one dude in the band has to be the one doing all the vocals potentially lets down the final product. Interesting thought.

Still, I was blown away by the song and if the other songs on Death Magnetic are at least this good, I'm sold.

Damn you, you can go to the gym.:biggrin: It's been two damn months since I last worked out. I have a shoulder injury.

And I agree. this song is surprisingly good, if we take St. Crapper into account.

[jesse_custer]

Jesse, as I know you are also a fan of great drummers (Mitch Mitchell) I'm not surprised we agree on this. The lack of...well, anything brought to the table percussively holds the song back a bit. In my head, I could hear all the fills, breakdowns, flourishes and flairs that he should have plaid. Alas, my poor steering wheel took some abuse. :)

I really need to learn how to play the fucking drums.

I also thought Hetfield did a good job with the vocals, as good as to be expected from him. I don't think the bass situation was bad. I bought the song on iTunes and burned it to CD for my car, and it sounds great. The mixing is fine...perhaps it is the speakers you were listening on? I will say that I wish the song showcased Trujillo a little more, but I hope we'll get more of his personality on the rest of the record. It'd be a shame to waste such a phenomonal player.

There was definitely some Fade to Black influence in the opening solos.

I wasn't exactly disappointed with the lack of fills. They just sounded bad on certain parts, timing was off on others.

Maybe I'll give it another listen for the bass ...

[Brad Barton]

Funny you guys mention Lars' playing, as the first thing I thought when I'd heard the song a few times was "Damn, those drums sound sloppy for being studio recordings." He keeps doing those snare fills over that soaring, really cool chorus in the first half of the song, and there are a few points where I just want to reach through the speakers and slap him. The snare is way too high in the mix, and when he does those rolls it just completely overpowers everything.

I thought his drumming in the second half was pretty good. Y'all are right in that he doesn't go crazy with complicated fills and patterns, but lets be honest: outside of Justice, Lars has never done a whole lot of that.

Still, vast improvement over the last album. I'm not ready to say the new stuff "blows everything since Justice away!" or anything as rash as that, but it's nice to have new Metallica that I can enjoy without having to grit my teeth.

[ImpulseUCF]

From a production standpoint, the drums sounded so much better than St. Anger that I didn't even realize their level in the mix.

Ehh... not saying he ever did a whole lot of that which is part of the problem. He just has no style and adds nothing to the whole. I don't want him to go crazy with fills for the sake of doing so, but the utter lack of any of that kind of flare stuck out to me as much, if not more, as when other bands way overdo it.

Agreed on a massive improvement. I never said it blows everything away since Justice - I just said it was the most progressive since Justice.:tongue:

[jesse_custer]

In my mind, it is not an overstatement to say this song is better than most of Justice. Too much of that album was ... too fucking much!

[ImpulseUCF]

I'd love to see them do a comprehensive remaster and overhaul of Justice a la Megadeth's entire catalog. I'd love to hear that album with some production. Some of the songs did seem to meander on for a bit....

But it had Blackened and One, so it's all good. :)

[Brad Barton]

From a production standpoint, the drums sounded so much better than St. Anger that I didn't even realize their level in the mix.Oh, definitely agree there. I sensed room for improvement, but between St. Anger and what I've heard of DM, the drums sound worlds better.


Agreed on a massive improvement. I never said it blows everything away since Justice - I just said it was the most progressive since Justice.:tongue:No, I know man. My previous comment wasn't aimed at you, I'd seen a few people earlier in the day exclaiming "this is without a doubt the best thing since Justice!", and it just made me chuckle. As I said, it's certainly a vast improvement over St. Anger, but I'm not convinced (from hearing "The Day That Never Comes" and "Cyanide" alone) that DM is going to blow the Loads or The Black Album out of the water.

[Deathstroke]

Oh, definitely agree there. I sensed room for improvement, but between St. Anger and what I've heard of DM, the drums sound worlds better.

No, I know man. My previous comment wasn't aimed at you, I'd seen a few people earlier in the day exclaiming "this is without a doubt the best thing since Justice!", and it just made me chuckle. As I said, it's certainly a vast improvement over St. Anger, but I'm not convinced (from hearing "The Day That Never Comes" and "Cyanide" alone) that DM is going to blow the Loads or The Black Album out of the water.

If the rest of the songs are the same in quality as TDTNC, it won't beat out The Black Album.

Of course, an audio recording of me taking a dump would still be better than anything on St. Anger.

[DWEarhart]

Speaking of boring albums: Iced Earth's latest, The Crucible of Man: Something Wicked part 2 is duller than your grandmother's leg razor.

No excitement at all on this thing, and I realise it's a concept album, but the pacing of the album from track to track eliminates any flashes of positive momentum that happen to sneak through.

[DonC]

It's worse than Part 1? That takes some doing.

[DWEarhart]

It's worse than Part 1? That takes some doing.

My exact thoughts after first hearing it. Actually, the song writing sounded like no one put any effort into it.

It's great having Barlow back on vocals, but his return is indeed sullied by it being on such a weak record.

But that's me.

[DWEarhart]

It's worse than Part 1? That takes some doing.

Mr. DonC, you'll be happy (or disgusted) to know I met a former groupie the other day who got to do the slap and tickle with members of Iron Maiden during the Somewhere in Time tour. She had pictures and autographs, of course.

She came across many other bands as well, and you can interpret that last statement any way you want.

[stealthwise]

If the rest of the songs are the same in quality as TDTNC, it won't beat out The Black Album.

Of course, an audio recording of me taking a dump would still be better than anything on St. Anger.

Eh, St. Anger had Unnamed Feeling, which is a phenomenal song. Some of the other tracks were decent too, they just had terrible production.

The Day that Never Comes is a good track. Not great, but pretty good overall, and Cyanide is just killer. It's the latter that makes me excited to hear the whole album.

[IamBATFAN]

Yeah, it's up on their website - "The Day That Never Comes" (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601119)

I like it. The first half of the song is nice and ballad-y, great chorus. The second half of the song, while a bit meandering, is nice and heavy and riffy. Good stuff. It's not the greatest thing they've ever done, but it's definitely got more energy and enthusiasm than anything they've done in over a decade.

Oh, and this song won't last five minutes on Rock radio. Too complicated and choppy and-- dare I say it-- Progressive. It's not a Verse-chorus-verse-chorus-breakdown-verse-chorus cookie-cutter radio track.

what part of the country (or the world) are you in? Your local rock station must suck @$$ if they wont play 7-8-9 minute songs with regularity.
Here in Tj i get to listen to the San Diego rock station and they play those long @$$ songs ALL THE TIME.

[Brad Barton]

what part of the country (or the world) are you in? Your local rock station must suck @$$ if they wont play 7-8-9 minute songs with regularity.
Here in Tj i get to listen to the San Diego rock station and they play those long @$$ songs ALL THE TIME.I'm from Ft. Worth, and since I posted that, the rock station out here (97.1 The Eagle) has apparently been playing it every 90 minutes religiously.

I really don't listen to the radio that often, so that's a bit of hearsay, but I may stand corrected. Time will tell. I know reaction to the song has been largely positive, so maybe the radio stations will play ball.

[stealthwise]

Holy crap is the new Slipknot ferocious.

With this, the new Testament, Sevendust, and hopefully the new Volbeat and Metallica, we've got a kickass year for metal.

[Brad Barton]

Hey guys, My Apocalypse (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601136) is fucking badass.

Just thought you should know.

Death Magnetic, I'm starting to believe, is going to kick a lot of ass.

[Hellstorm]

Holy crap is the new Slipknot ferocious.

With this, the new Testament, Sevendust, and hopefully the new Volbeat and Metallica, we've got a kickass year for metal.

IMO, the new Slipknot alternates between ferocious and emo, though I think it's better than Vol 3.


Hey guys, My Apocalypse (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601136) is fucking badass.

Just thought you should know.

Death Magnetic, I'm starting to believe, is going to kick a lot of ass.

It definitely reminds me of Kill 'Em All-era Metallica. I kind of feel like, similar to the new Testament, it sounds more like a band trying to "ape" their old sound than it does a progression from their old sound.

Cool if other people are enjoying it, but I'd probably recommend the new Slipknot before the new Metallica.

[DonC]

As I was listening to "My Apocalypse," one thought kept coming over and over -- this would make a killer Slayer song.

[jesse_custer]

Listened to My Apocalypse. A really fun thrash song that's not too long. I agree they are in the early 1980s sound on this one, but it's a great song.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Hey guys, My Apocalypse (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601136) is fucking badass.

Just thought you should know.

Death Magnetic, I'm starting to believe, is going to kick a lot of ass.

Listening to it right now. And I concur: This song is fucking badass. We might be about to have the best 'tallica album in well over a decade.

[ImpulseUCF]

Now to nitpick - I wish the production was a liiiiittle bit rougher, and the settings on their guitars are just a tiny bit too clean for my taste. I wish we got some more of that 80s guitar tone. Also, not Jame's absolute beste vocals ever.

Having said that... FUCK, YES!!! Metallica is back, gents. Ironic and great that while they were once afraid of the digital movement (and bungled accordingly), they now seem to understand and have fully embraced it better than many other bands.

I think the marketing and promotion around this album has been nothing short of brilliant. Showing snippets all along the way to garner interest via missionmetallica, release songs as they lead up to the date so people can get a taste, etc. Just brilliant, especially considering everyone has been second-guessing their credibility and quality lately...is this going to be heavy enough to be Metallica? Is it going to be fast enough? Thrashy enough? Does it suck? etc. Now people can sample it risk-free and get excited. Very well done. They seem to have learned their lesson.

And whoever said this was right - this sounds so much like a Slayer song that it's scary.. It's Slayer with better lead guitar playing.

[Brad Barton]

And whoever said this was right - this sounds so much like a Slayer song that it's scary.. It's Slayer with better lead guitar playing.Actually, I think MA is much hookier than anything Slayer normally puts out. Which is funny, considering MA really doesn't have a super strong hook. Its hook is more or less its power (and that awesome dual guitar line in the middle of the song).

I agree on the vocals and drums to a certain degree. It doesn't sound bad, it's just a bit too dry. Like they intentionally turned the reverb on the guitars and vocals down to 0, and forbade James to do vocal layering/overdubs.

All in all, I like the shit out of it. It's far from perfection, but I was still grinning like an idiot when I heard it. It's Metallica as we haven't seen them since the Fate Medley.

[ImpulseUCF]

Yep. It's shaping up to be one hell of a Metallica album. I just like my guitars a little thrashier (in tone, that is. The song coudln't get much thrashier). :)

Still, these are nitpicks. I am pretty damn impressed with the album so far, and I am pretty stoked to see what songs they relase leading up to the 9/12 date. I would guess the real studio versions of The New Song and Cyanide so they don't give the whole damn thing away.

[ghostrider666]

Im surprised by that M A song. Ive heard Cyanide, Th eDay That Never Comes, & another 1 who's name I cant remember. I think nothin of those 3. Cyanide does have a really cool little bridgepart later in the song though.
MA is clearly the best song, but I cant stand the mix. Horrible.

I will check them out live in Jan, if for no other reason than to see Machine Head again.

[Hellstorm]

And whoever said this was right - this sounds so much like a Slayer song that it's scary.. It's Slayer with better lead guitar playing.

Whoever said this sounds like Slayer hasn't listened to Slayer in a long time.

If they didn't cut to half-time on the chorus it'd be vintage Metallica, but still not Slayer.

I just listened to it 2 more times. It's definitely the chorus that put me off the first time, but like the new Slipknot, I'm getting used to it.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Now to nitpick - I wish the production was a liiiiittle bit rougher, and the settings on their guitars are just a tiny bit too clean for my taste. I wish we got some more of that 80s guitar tone. Also, not Jame's absolute beste vocals ever.

Having said that... FUCK, YES!!! Metallica is back, gents. Ironic and great that while they were once afraid of the digital movement (and bungled accordingly), they now seem to understand and have fully embraced it better than many other bands.

I think the marketing and promotion around this album has been nothing short of brilliant. Showing snippets all along the way to garner interest via missionmetallica, release songs as they lead up to the date so people can get a taste, etc. Just brilliant, especially considering everyone has been second-guessing their credibility and quality lately...is this going to be heavy enough to be Metallica? Is it going to be fast enough? Thrashy enough? Does it suck? etc. Now people can sample it risk-free and get excited. Very well done. They seem to have learned their lesson.

And whoever said this was right - this sounds so much like a Slayer song that it's scary.. It's Slayer with better lead guitar playing.

Indeed. They needed to give people a sample of the finished work, given the general consensus about St. Anger, and the opinion regarding Metallica since, hell, The Black Album itself.

[awm]

There is a part of it at the beginning that sounds a bit like Slayer. If Lombardo was drumming on the song would be 10x better. Araya on vocals, another 10. And on and on.

[ImpulseUCF]

I think it's the part at 2:10. Hetfield is barking out in a very Araya'esque way. That's what made me think Slayer. Then Kirk starts playing guitar, though, and you realize it is FAR too good a solo to be Slayer. :wink:

Again at 3:07 - kinda Slayeresque if you speed it up a tad. Still, though, what it IS is a KICKASS Metallica song. I can't stop listening to it.

[DWEarhart]

Had a much better experience with the new Slipknot today. It took an anger spark to make it click. It's still not gee-golly-wowzerz-great, but it was much more to my liking.

If you ain't heard the new Motorhead - it's awesome.

What does it sound like? Awesome Motorhead. This is probably the best album from them, in my dinky opinion, since Sacrifice. I love Sacrifice. Motorizer is right up there.

[Deathstroke]

I heard the new AC/DC song "Rock N' Roll Train" this morning. It sounded pretty darn good.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Good to know that after all these years AC/DC is still kicking ass. I'll see if I can find that song later.

[4thHorseman]

I'm actually pretty disappointed with the new ACDC

[Brad Barton]

I'm actually pretty disappointed with the new ACDCI'm not so much disappointed as "not impressed". Pretty bland overall, I'd say, though it's unmistakably an AC/DC song.

Sounds a little a modern day Highway To Hell...only nowhere near as good.

[jesse_custer]

Did anyone listen to Stiff Upper Lip by AC/DC?

I saw a fairly positive review for it once.

[ImpulseUCF]

Heard new AC/DC today, too. Also not terribly impressed, but unmistakably them. The production was way too light and clean, and the song just generally seemed to lack their former energy.

I have Stiff Upper Lip. It's okay...the best way I can put it is if I didn't already know it was AC/DC, I wouldn't like it too much. Does that make sense? If that was the first thing I heard by them, I wouldn't be very impressed. Not bad by any means, and there were some great songs, but unfortunately a lot of filler. Also the guitar tones, riffs and production were a LOT mellower and softer than anything else I've heard from them. I believe I even read an interview where Angus admitted he didn't write heavy riffs for that album.

Still, I will probably check out Black Ice. If nothing else, it should be a consistently dependable, if predictable, AC/DC record.

[Hellstorm]

Still, I will probably check out Black Ice. If nothing else, it should be a consistently dependable, if predictable) AC/DC record.

If Rock N Roll Train is any indication of what the rest of the CD will sound like, I agree.

[stealthwise]

and I am pretty stoked to see what songs they relase leading up to the 9/12 date. I would guess the real studio versions of The New Song and Cyanide so they don't give the whole damn thing away.

From my understanding, there's no New Song on the album.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

From my understanding, there's no New Song on the album.

Is that so? Then why would they play it live in the first place?

[ImpulseUCF]

They've shown lots of clips of them playing the one released as "The New Song" on Mission Metallica, although very much cleaned up for studio. I would be surprised if it wasn't included based on that, but I certainly don't know for sure. I'm looking forward to it regardless.

[DWEarhart]

Volbeat: Now with 20% more metal.

Gawd bless the Danish. And the Danish that cover Hank Williams III.

[Brad Barton]

Is that so? Then why would they play it live in the first place?Audience/fan reaction. Get a feel for how they went over live and what people were saying about the direction they were taking the album, I'd guess.


They've shown lots of clips of them playing the one released as "The New Song" on Mission Metallica, although very much cleaned up for studio. I would be surprised if it wasn't included based on that, but I certainly don't know for sure. I'm looking forward to it regardless.I'm not certain either, but from what I've gathered the studio bits of "The New Song" we've been hearing will be part of "The End Of The Line", and it is *not* the same song they played in 2006.

Apparently, they butchered "The New Song" for parts and left the refuse on the cutting room floor.

[DWEarhart]

Anybody like/heard F5?

I heard an interview with David Ellefson on the radio, at the gym; talking about when Degrasso was asked to come on board for the second album, and Degrasso was, like, wy didn't you ask me for the first album?......and stuff.

Ellefson has the same accent as Mustaine; same speach pitch, too. They sound alike.

I thought F5 was okay, and did have some Megadeth flavor, because it's Dave Ellefson and Jimmy Degrasso; c'maaaaaaahn; modern even.

- From Zero no more. Dicked.

[verslibre]

I'm not so much disappointed as "not impressed". Pretty bland overall, I'd say, though it's unmistakably an AC/DC song.

Sounds a little a modern day Highway To Hell...only nowhere near as good.


Word. Same ol' same ol'...

[stealthwise]

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103780

Clips of ALL ten songs.

And...

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/metallicas-death-magnetic-the-track-by-track-guide-171254

You are welcome. The review seems to confirm that the New Song was left in the dust, which is fine by me, as it sounded all right for the most part, but had horrendous lyrics throughout, and likely would have fit in well on St. Anger. I don't say that in a derogatory way, but it felt very... unfinished, much like the rest of that album.

I'll go out on a limb and say it: It sounds like MetallicA is back.

[Hellstorm]

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103780

Clips of ALL ten songs.

And...

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/metallicas-death-magnetic-the-track-by-track-guide-171254

You are welcome. The review seems to confirm that the New Song was left in the dust, which is fine by me, as it sounded all right for the most part, but had horrendous lyrics throughout, and likely would have fit in well on St. Anger. I don't say that in a derogatory way, but it felt very... unfinished, much like the rest of that album.

I'll go out on a limb and say it: It sounds like MetallicA is back.

The more I listen, the more it sounds closer to The Black Album than Justice, which is better than what they've put out post-Black Album, but I keep reading comparisons to Justice that I'm not hearing.

It's funny that you used the phrase, "sounded all right for the most part, but had horrendous lyrics throughout," seeing as how there aren't any lyrics in those samples except for songs that have already been "leaked," and I'm cringing at the thought of more lyrics like, "Love is a 4-letter word."

Still, those riffs sound promising...

[Deathstroke]

Anybody like/heard F5?

I heard an interview with David Ellefson on the radio, at the gym; talking about when Degrasso was asked to come on board for the second album, and Degrasso was, like, wy didn't you ask me for the first album?......and stuff.

Ellefson has the same accent as Mustaine; same speach pitch, too. They sound alike.

I thought F5 was okay, and did have some Megadeth flavor, because it's Dave Ellefson and Jimmy Degrasso; c'maaaaaaahn; modern even.

- From Zero no more. Dicked.

I listened to the first album but didn't like it much at all.

[Brad Barton]

Anybody like/heard F5?I've heard of them and seen a few interviews with Ellefson on them. Checked out a few of their songs (on their Myspace page, IIRC) and they weren't bad. Hard Rock with very decent vocals, I liked it.

Good to see Degrasso get a gig again, though. Very talented dude.


You are welcome. The review seems to confirm that the New Song was left in the dust, which is fine by me, as it sounded all right for the most part, but had horrendous lyrics throughout, and likely would have fit in well on St. Anger. I don't say that in a derogatory way, but it felt very... unfinished, much like the rest of that album.

I'll go out on a limb and say it: It sounds like MetallicA is back.Yeah, I think they were fucking with song arrangement and delivery, and while I thought The News Song was far better than just about anything on St. Anger, it still wasb't up to snuff.

This new stuff sounds a LOT stronger.


and I'm cringing at the thought of more lyrics like, "Love is a 4-letter word."

Still, those riffs sound promising...Coincidentally, that is the one part of the song I haven't bee able to get out of my head. I don't think the lyric is that bad in the context of the song (not great, but not bad) but I love the vocal hook he puts over it.

Question: Does it seem to anyone else like the new stuff A.) Lacks meaty, low-end power on the guitars, and B.) The drums (especially snare) are way too high in the mix?

[HectorP]

Sooo, finally I listen to My Apocalypse (and no more). Great song, minimalist Lars but hey, look at what came before. If the rest of the album is like this or better, they're making a good case for me to buy it.

But Metallica was overshadowed by me getting Metal Church's The Human Factor. Man, does that thing groove.

[ImpulseUCF]

The more I listen, the more it sounds closer to The Black Album than Justice, which is better than what they've put out post-Black Album, but I keep reading comparisons to Justice that I'm not hearing.You know, I disagree, because what I've heard of Death Magnetic is a lot more complicated than the fairly standard basebones pop-metal/hard rock songs of the Black Album (not to say that the Black is bad or anything, but it was pretty standard forumalaic popular rock).

The Day That Never Comes is pretty damn progressive, which is the sense in which DM has been compared to Justice (at least in my opinion). DM sounds fairly progressive, and to be honest, the 3 songs that we've heard have been pretty different. TDTNC is a progressive metal song that could have easily been on Justice; My Apocalypse sounds like Damage Incorporated if it had been written during the Kill em All days; Cyanide is pretty unique, with flavors from the Loads, Seek and Destroy, and even some fully realized flavor of what they tried on St. Anger with its own unique flavor thrown in.

The clips I've heard of the other songs suggest something MUCH heavier and more metallic than the Black album. To me, it sounds like DM is going to have flavors of ALL of Metallica's albums but with its own unique flavor. As Beetheb said a while back, Death Magnetic is going to sound like nothing but Death Magnetic. And I'd like to add that what that will sound like is a badass METALLICA album.

I have to reiterate...Metallica is back, and I couldn't be happier about it.
Yeah, I think they were fucking with song arrangement and delivery, and while I thought The News Song was far better than just about anything on St. Anger, it still wasb't up to snuff.I wasn't in love with it..it just had some catchy riffs on the intro. I have no problem with them pillaging it for raw material.

Question: Does it seem to anyone else like the new stuff A.) Lacks meaty, low-end power on the guitars, and B.) The drums (especially snare) are way too high in the mix?I don't know if its' low end the guitars are missing, but something is off about the tone. I love the metallic, crunchy, sustaining tone of the 80s stuff and when I jam out on my guitar. The guitars are a little too clean for what they are playing. The drums are a bit high in the mix, but I'm more concerned with Lars' lack of flair. His playing is pretty pedestrian on this album. I mean, it's adequate for the songs, but he isn't adding anything.

[ImpulseUCF]

And by the way, this week's Monday "full taste" was indeed Cyanide. My thoughts..slower, cleaner, and heavier on the studio cut than the live debut at Ozzfest, which I'm sure shocks nobody. I think Kirk played slightly better live. I think I prefer the studio version.

I can't wait for this album.

[jesse_custer]

I never thought I would buy a new Metallica album, but it's looking like that will happen.

[ImpulseUCF]

Changed my mind...solo is much better on studio.

Jesse - I think that is the general consensus of a lot of old fans who felt abandoned, betrayed, or just let down by more recent stuff. Based on the 3 songs and clips I've heard, this album is more than a return to form...it kicks ASS.

Has anyone seen the video for The Day That Never Comes? Very good stuff. Intense and more emotional than a typical video.

[4thHorseman]

I refuse to listen to any of the leaks that are popping up all over YouTube.

Watching a live stream of Lars:

http://www.justin.tv/thewoodyshow

so far, I've heard some pretty good reviews of what is being heard. People are putting it on par with the 80's albums...

[ImpulseUCF]

Really? I am going to try to download the leak tonight, and if the quality is as good as the singles suggest, I'm still going to buy it the day it comes out.:biggrin:

[4thHorseman]

Really? I am going to try to download the leak tonight, and if the quality is as good as the singles suggest, I'm still going to buy it the day it comes out.:biggrin:

If you need the leak, I've downloaded it. I can pm you it

Quality is quite good.

and for those wondering about the New Song: It's on there, just reworked. Called The End of the Line. I haven't listened to the entire thing yet, just clicked here and there in parts to confirm its validity. Sounds pretty damn good from the short 10 seconds of where I'm clicking. Want to have a lot of the surprise left when i pick it up next week

[Brad Barton]

Okay, I've heard most of the tracks now, albeit in not great quality, so all I can really comment on is the music itself and not production...

It's fucking killer.

Really, really the album I wanted St. Anger to be. Still taking it in and getting my brain wrapped around the songs, but my initial reaction is: Success.

Oh, and "The Judas Kiss" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoaToQgNK7g) is a fucking monster. Instant classic.

Edit: "Broken, Beat & Scarred" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQnDU0rDt0) is even better, it really should've been the first single.

[ImpulseUCF]

:eek:

............

Wow. I just.... I mean, I just... wow. This is a metal album. Still taking it in on first listen, but damn, this is rockin'. Really progressive and dynamic. Very unique, and very hard. Best Metallica album in some time. I am very pleased. :)

I just wish the guitars were grittier. I miss that swimming in metallic sustain presence the guitars had on the older albums, but the music is excellent. I got ahold of some great quality stuff, too, so it's definitely out there.... 320 kbps rips.

EDIT:
Standout tracks for me....

All Nightmare Long
Broken, Beat and Scarred - second half. That solo is just ridiculous.
The Judas Kiss - DAMN. just brutal! This is where the Maidenesque riffing is coming in.

[IamBATFAN]

Funny how Metallica albums represent how they're feeling at that time. Take St Anger for example, it was a time in the bands history where they were most not a "band" and the end result is an album that is the least Metallica. DM is the result of a stronger united Metallica. The comparisons to the "old stuff" (Kill,Ride, Master, Justice) and their influence on DM is without question obvious, maybe because of their renewed passion, the kind of passion and raw energy they had at that time, the end result was music that they loved playing, not music to compete with what was out there (see St Anger)

Having said that, i guess it's unanimous in saying they are back!

I've loved all 3 songs that have come out. The only thing im not feeling is the video to Day that never comes, maybe because i havent found a correlation of the lyrics to the images yet but i thought the video went no where. I guess the moment i saw it was war related thoughts of One came to mind and how the band kept saying how it was like a movie, i guess i had higher hopes, which is all on me for being disappointed.

What would be the proper assessment: the missing link between Justice and the Black Album or what should have been their progression after the Black album?

[jesse_custer]

So far it sounds like a not boring ...And Justice For All to me.

[Brad Barton]

So far it sounds like a not boring ...And Justice For All to me.I see what you mean. It's like Justice with more flair and soul.

I really can't say "This album sounds just like <insert past metallica album>." It is a complete amalgamation of everything they've ever done, with new ingredients mixed in (dash of Opeth, pinch of Down and just a smidge of Maiden).

Totally unique Metallica album. And unlike its predecessor, it's unique in a good way.

[ImpulseUCF]

I second Broken, Beat and Scarred being completely badass. And shit, did Kirk Hammett bring the freakin' A-game for this album! He's been saving this shit up for over 5 years! He must have been bursting at the seams to play some new metal solos, and man, does he deliver.

[4thHorseman]

Just bought my tickets to see them on Oct. 25 here in KC. Too bad it set me back $175 after ticketmaster raped me. Stupid damn ticketmaster

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I see what you mean. It's like Justice with more flair and soul.

I really can't say "This album sounds just like <insert past metallica album>." It is a complete amalgamation of everything they've ever done, with new ingredients mixed in (dash of Opeth, pinch of Down and just a smidge of Maiden).

Totally unique Metallica album. And unlike its predecessor, it's unique in a good way.

Here's the link to the video of The Day That Never Comes (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601171). I like it. I agree with Impulse on this one.

While this seems to be a much better album than St. Anger, I still wouldn't put it next to their '80s stuff.

I'm about to listen to a few other songs.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Okay, I've heard most of the tracks now, albeit in not great quality, so all I can really comment on is the music itself and not production...

It's fucking killer.

Really, really the album I wanted St. Anger to be. Still taking it in and getting my brain wrapped around the songs, but my initial reaction is: Success.

Oh, and "The Judas Kiss" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoaToQgNK7g) is a fucking monster. Instant classic.

Edit: "Broken, Beat & Scarred" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQnDU0rDt0) is even better, it really should've been the first single.

I got late to the party, as the videos were shut down.:mad:

Dammit.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Cyanide (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601167). Studio version. Kick-ass.