Astonishing X-men/Breakworld

[Quicksilver1]

Ok isnt somone suppose to die?


It would be really lame if they say Cassandra Nova was successful in her body transfer, Hisanko is overwhelmed by her, and she takes over her body, and is soon defeated.

That would be lame, Hisanko is cool, Id like to see her stick around.

[Beast]

Heh. At the moment the answer is... yes, no, maybe. Warning... there be spoilers here.

The only real evidence of a death is what Blindfold said right as Torn ended. That not all of them would be coming back. Now, that doesn't outright say that someone is going to die... but it's possible. Much like the Uncanny team, some could simply be left in space. Or not return to the X-Men afterwards.

We've also been told that something big happens that Whedon's pushed for Marvel to agree not to retcon. That seems to fit a death. Now, the only people we haven't heard talked about for the upcoming Crossover from the Astonishing team is Emma Frost and Kitty Pryde. So it's possible that it's one of them, or even Armor who bites the bullet on Breakworld. Any three are likely, but with the Cassie factor... Hisako's likely dead either way.

However... there's another possibility. We're still not 100% sure where exactly Astonishing fits in. Mike Carey said he thinks it occurs right before the Crossover this November. However all the Editors have said is that it will be clear where it fits when it's over. Which is somewhat cryptic. That said... the so-called "Un-retconnable Event" might have been hinted at in the recently released Endangered Species One-Shot.

During the funeral scenes that show Scott and Emma, many readers have noted that Emma Frost seems to be wearing what appears to be a wedding ring. Now it's entirely possible that Astonishing actually slots in just before Endangered Species begins, and that the big un-retconnable event is the wedding of Scott Summers to Emma Frost in the Giant Size AXM/AXM Annual issue that will wrap Whedon's run up.

[Cam Man]

Cyke had control of his powers all along but was too wussy to admit it. Ugh.

And besides weddings are too easy to retcon. Divorce, cheating, death....

[Beast]

And besides weddings are too easy to retcon. Divorce, cheating, death....
Hence Whedon's insisitance that it not be retconned.

And the instances you mention wouldn't exactly count as a retcon. ;)

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Ok isnt somone suppose to die?


It would be really lame if they say Cassandra Nova was successful in her body transfer, Hisanko is overwhelmed by her, and she takes over her body, and is soon defeated.

That would be lame, Hisanko is cool, Id like to see her stick around.

Except Whedon has consistenly given us minimal dialouge/exposition with each storyline.....Nova taking over Hisako is a storyarc in and of its self there isn't time.

Face it she's in "stuff" the story moved on why can't you people?

[rwsmith]

Heh. At the moment the answer is... yes, no, maybe. Warning... there be spoilers here.

The only real evidence of a death is what Blindfold said right as Torn ended. That not all of them would be coming back. Now, that doesn't outright say that someone is going to die... but it's possible. Much like the Uncanny team, some could simply be left in space. Or not return to the X-Men afterwards.

We've also been told that something big happens that Whedon's pushed for Marvel to agree not to retcon. That seems to fit a death. Now, the only people we haven't heard talked about for the upcoming Crossover from the Astonishing team is Emma Frost and Kitty Pryde. So it's possible that it's one of them, or even Armor who bites the bullet on Breakworld. Any three are likely, but with the Cassie factor... Hisako's likely dead either way.

However... there's another possibility. We're still not 100% sure where exactly Astonishing fits in. Mike Carey said he thinks it occurs right before the Crossover this November. However all the Editors have said is that it will be clear where it fits when it's over. Which is somewhat cryptic. That said... the so-called "Un-retconnable Event" might have been hinted at in the recently released Endangered Species One-Shot.

During the funeral scenes that show Scott and Emma, many readers have noted that Emma Frost seems to be wearing what appears to be a wedding ring. Now it's entirely possible that Astonishing actually slots in just before Endangered Species begins, and that the big un-retconnable event is the wedding of Scott Summers to Emma Frost in the Giant Size AXM/AXM Annual issue that will wrap Whedon's run up.

Dude, if you're right, Brian will have a freakin' meltdown!:eek:

[GenerationNow]

What I found funny, and maybe that could be part of Emma Frost's style, was that the "wedding ring" was suspiciously on her middle finger.

That makes me doubt the whole wedding thing, however, since she, Cyclops, Wolverine, and the big blue guy are still intact, and as someone mentioned earlier that it probably would have taken too much time for Cassie to take over Hisako...then obviously curiosity killed the cat...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Heh. At the moment the answer is... yes, no, maybe. Warning... there be spoilers here.

The only real evidence of a death is what Blindfold said right as Torn ended. That not all of them would be coming back. Now, that doesn't outright say that someone is going to die... but it's possible. Much like the Uncanny team, some could simply be left in space. Or not return to the X-Men afterwards.

Meh, the only scenario I could think of would be about whoever killing that powerlord staying on Breakworld as king/queen.

Me say someone's croaking. :D


We've also been told that something big happens that Whedon's pushed for Marvel to agree not to retcon. That seems to fit a death. Now, the only people we haven't heard talked about for the upcoming Crossover from the Astonishing team is Emma Frost and Kitty Pryde. So it's possible that it's one of them, or even Armor who bites the bullet on Breakworld. Any three are likely, but with the Cassie factor... Hisako's likely dead either way.

I'm with ICEF on this one.

Considering how basically impossible to kill the old scow is, *any* scenario with would have fans rolling their eyes.

That, and, seriously, Emma's "Go to hell" line was a satisfying and about the most appropriate ending to Nova's arc.


However... there's another possibility. We're still not 100% sure where exactly Astonishing fits in. Mike Carey said he thinks it occurs right before the Crossover this November. However all the Editors have said is that it will be clear where it fits when it's over. Which is somewhat cryptic. That said... the so-called "Un-retconnable Event" might have been hinted at in the recently released Endangered Species One-Shot.
Well, the odds of Torn/Unstoppable happening after the crossover are about, what, 0,00001%? Right before the thing is pretty much the only viable option left.


During the funeral scenes that show Scott and Emma, many readers have noted that Emma Frost seems to be wearing what appears to be a wedding ring. Now it's entirely possible that Astonishing actually slots in just before Endangered Species begins, and that the big un-retconnable event is the wedding of Scott Summers to Emma Frost in the Giant Size AXM/AXM Annual issue that will wrap Whedon's run up.
Now *that* would be quite the surprise.

Didn't Whedon quit reading x-books when Scott first married someone that wasn't Jean?

[SnakeEater]

havent we seen covers to the first three parts of the maruadersstory and havent Kitty, Emma, and Colossus all shown up on the covers? Beast is the middle of the Endangered species story and Wolverine and Cyclops just talked in the One Shot so none of them die. I think Astonishing is just bad

[Beast]

havent we seen covers to the first three parts of the maruadersstory and havent Kitty, Emma, and Colossus all shown up on the covers? Beast is the middle of the Endangered species story and Wolverine and Cyclops just talked in the One Shot so none of them die. I think Astonishing is just bad
Unless Astonishing as Mike Carey said he thinks, takes place right before Messiah Complex.

[Pach!]

Unless Astonishing as Mike Carey said he thinks, takes place right before Messiah Complex.

Then the wedding thing wouldn't work either.

[Hi-Fi]

There's no wedding. It was just a normal ring. Seriously, people.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Unless Astonishing as Mike Carey said he thinks, takes place right before Messiah Complex.


I'll say it again. Where *else* would it fit in continuity?

No way they're pushing it after the crossover. Not a whole lot of options left.

[Beast]

I'll say it again. Where *else* would it fit in continuity?

No way they're pushing it after the crossover. Not a whole lot of options left.
Unless they squeeze it in before Endangered Species. ;)

[Quicksilver1]

Heh. At the moment the answer is... yes, no, maybe. Warning... there be spoilers here.

The only real evidence of a death is what Blindfold said right as Torn ended. That not all of them would be coming back. Now, that doesn't outright say that someone is going to die... but it's possible. Much like the Uncanny team, some could simply be left in space. Or not return to the X-Men afterwards.

We've also been told that something big happens that Whedon's pushed for Marvel to agree not to retcon. That seems to fit a death. Now, the only people we haven't heard talked about for the upcoming Crossover from the Astonishing team is Emma Frost and Kitty Pryde. So it's possible that it's one of them, or even Armor who bites the bullet on Breakworld. Any three are likely, but with the Cassie factor... Hisako's likely dead either way.

However... there's another possibility. We're still not 100% sure where exactly Astonishing fits in. Mike Carey said he thinks it occurs right before the Crossover this November. However all the Editors have said is that it will be clear where it fits when it's over. Which is somewhat cryptic. That said... the so-called "Un-retconnable Event" might have been hinted at in the recently released Endangered Species One-Shot.

During the funeral scenes that show Scott and Emma, many readers have noted that Emma Frost seems to be wearing what appears to be a wedding ring. Now it's entirely possible that Astonishing actually slots in just before Endangered Species begins, and that the big un-retconnable event is the wedding of Scott Summers to Emma Frost in the Giant Size AXM/AXM Annual issue that will wrap Whedon's run up.

Very interesting, But I could have sworn Emma was involved in this Marauders event am I wrong?

[Omega Alpha]

Very interesting, But I could have sworn Emma was involved in this Marauders event am I wrong?

Which Marauder event exactly?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Probably was referring to Blinded By The Light.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Unless they squeeze it in before Endangered Species. ;)

Nah. Mike most likely called it the exact way it will play out.

[GenerationNow]

I did see a picture of the new Marauders and a woman that looks suspiciously like Emma Frost is definitely on the cover. And according to Wizard #187, our old friend Malice is gonna possess one of the X-Men.

Hmm, wonder who that could be...?

[Pach!]

I did see a picture of the new Marauders and a woman that looks suspiciously like Emma Frost is definitely on the cover. And according to Wizard #187, our old friend Malice is gonna possess one of the X-Men.

Hmm, wonder who that could be...?

Probably not who you're thinking. If you want to spoil yourself, which I suggest you don't, then head on over to the preview X-men 200 thread.

[GenerationNow]

I peeked, and funnily enough that person was my first guess :-P Thanks for the heads up.

Maybe I should count on my intuitions more often, eh?

Which begs the question, curvy blond in the white. What's she up to?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I'm with ICEF on this one.

Considering how basically impossible to kill the old scow is, *any* scenario with would have fans rolling their eyes.

That, and, seriously, Emma's "Go to hell" line was a satisfying and about the most appropriate ending to Nova's arc.

I <3 U :D

I think the "wedding ring" was the artist not knowing that emma and Scott aren't married and it is her ring finger, go look again

[Omega Alpha]

I did see a picture of the new Marauders and a woman that looks suspiciously like Emma Frost is definitely on the cover. And according to Wizard #187, our old friend Malice is gonna possess one of the X-Men.

Hmm, wonder who that could be...?

We already know who it is, and also that at least one person is not on the side they will really be on the issue and the crossover.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think the "wedding ring" was the artist not knowing that emma and Scott aren't married and it is her ring finger, go look again

Not *knowing* they weren't... How the hell could this possibly have happened?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

he's locked in a closet somewhere chained to an artists desk being fed left over scraps from the bullpen?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dunno, he most likely would've left the premises when enraged Jott fans would've set the Marvel office on fire...

[jester1436]

Well, I'd rather the unretconable thing be Emma and Scott getting married than Kitty dying, or even Emma dying.

That said, if someone has to die, Whedon can blow that diamond encrusted trollop to bits, please. :) Or Hisako. Or Emma with a Hisako missile. Or maybe Emma's body is blown up and her mind gets trapped in Hisako's body. Hello Tween Psylocke!

[Beast]

Well, I'd rather the unretconable thing be Emma and Scott getting married than Kitty dying, or even Emma dying.

That said, if someone has to die, Whedon can blow that diamond encrusted trollop to bits, please. :) Or Hisako. Or Emma with a Hisako missile. Or maybe Emma's body is blown up and her mind gets trapped in Hisako's body. Hello Tween Psylocke!
I still say Danger kills Emma, which allows Scott to release the focused totallity of his optic blasts. Just because, as I said before, I want to see the Robotic Skank destroyed beyond any possibility of ever turning up in another comic again. Plus they still have to resolve the Hisako/Cassie thing.

[jester1436]

Robotic Skank

Emma or Danger? :)

[Beast]

Emma or Danger? :)
Danger. Hate that character. With the passion of a thousand blazing sons.

[jester1436]

Danger. Hate that character. With the passion of a thousand blazing sons.

I'm awaiting the inevitable time traveling monstrous robotic love child of Danger and Cerebro to come back from its apocalyptic future to attack the X-Men and eventually merge with Nimrod, Bastian, and Fury in one giant "OMG I CAN KILLZ UUUUUU" robot monster.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Danger. Hate that character. With the passion of a thousand blazing sons.

Funny typo. :D

Oh, and I like Danger's *I wanna beat the f**k out of you and just for kicks* attitude. Premise of a sentient Danger Room sucked, though, I'll give you that.

[Beast]

Funny typo. :D

Oh, and I like Danger's *I wanna beat the f**k out of you and just for kicks* attitude. Premise of a sentient Danger Room sucked, though, I'll give you that.
Ugh. Huge typo. :eek:

At least Whedon didn't get to use Vision in the Danger arc.

The idea of Vision walking in and kneeling before Danger just makes me gaggy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ugh. Huge typo. :eek:

Blazing sons. This one could go wrong real quick. :D


At least Whedon didn't get to use Vision in the Danger arc.

The idea of Vision walking in and kneeling before Danger just makes me gaggy.

Would second the gaggy part if it wasn't such an awful awful choice of word. Good God...

[jester1436]

Vision... what? :(

[Omega Alpha]

Ugh. Huge typo. :eek:

At least Whedon didn't get to use Vision in the Danger arc.

The idea of Vision walking in and kneeling before Danger just makes me gaggy.


:confused: I knew he intended to use Vision, but to have him on his knees for Danger? Why?

[Beast]

Vision... what? :(
Whedon said he originally wanted the Astonishing X-Men to call in Vision, to help them communicate with the Sentient Danger Room. But he would end up betraying them, and kneeling before Danger. Heralding her as some sort of cybernetic messiah. Thankfully Vision was dead, so they said no.

[jester1436]

Whedon said he originally wanted the Astonishing X-Men to call in Vision, to help them communicate with the Sentient Danger Room. But he would end up betraying them, and kneeling before Danger. Heralding her as some sort of cybernetic messiah. Thankfully Vision was dead, so they said no.

Looks like Bendis really did have the best intentions for Vision after all.

*shudder*

[Omega Alpha]

Looks like Bendis really did have the best intentions for Vision after all.

*shudder*

I never thought i would say that, but Bendis saved Vision from eternal suckiness.

[Beast]

Looks like Bendis really did have the best intentions for Vision after all.

*shudder*
Plus we got Vision 2.0 out of it. Who is much cooler than Vision 1.0.

[Toboe]

Just a thought, Blindfold says not all of them would come back, maybe it's Cassandra Nova the one that doesn't come back. Having her inside Hisako would count as one of them?

[Quicksilver1]

Kitty die? Isnt she going to be in the major crossover?

[Omega Alpha]

Kitty die? Isnt she going to be in the major crossover?

We don't know if she dies, or if she will be in the crossover.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just a thought, Blindfold says not all of them would come back, maybe it's Cassandra Nova the one that doesn't come back. Having her inside Hisako would count as one of them?

No.

Seriously, though, it would make a whole lot of sense that whoever dies is one of the people Hisako had the least interaction with during Torn.

That would be Wolvie, Emma and Kitty.

From this reasoning, you can guess why some of us have been saying since last year that Kitty & Ems should be the one worrying the most. ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Kitty die? Isnt she going to be in the major crossover?

So far, only Cyke and Wolvie have been mentioned as active player. Colossus was on a cover (or is it promo art?) so it's rather safe to assume he'll be there.

Beast is a big part of ES which leads right into MC. No mention of his part in MC, though.

As for Emma and Kitty, no mention whatsoever. :eek:

[Quicksilver1]

Killing Kitty would be like...Pointless.

Colossus already died why kill Kitty?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Killing Kitty would be like...Pointless.

Having her in a major book was, according to the editors... Pointless.

Colossus already died why kill Kitty?

Refer to previous comment.

[Omega Alpha]

Killing Kitty would be like...Pointless.

Colossus already died why kill Kitty?

Well, killing anyone there would be pointless, i think. Or at least i wouldn't want it to happen.

[Quicksilver1]

Well, killing anyone there would be pointless, i think. Or at least i wouldn't want it to happen.

I agree. If they are to kill any of them, who are all (Besides Hisanko) significantly major Mutants. They should do it in a bigger title.

[Beast]

I agree. If they are to kill any of them, who are all (Besides Hisanko) significantly major Mutants. They should do it in a bigger title.
Yeah, their top selling X-Book is such a small book. Much smaller than the others.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I agree. If they are to kill any of them, who are all (Besides Hisanko) significantly major Mutants. They should do it in a bigger title.

What Beast said.

It's not as if AXM was the best-selling x-book by far or anything...

[rZi]

I really can't think of anyone who should die and/or if they did would benefit the story. This line-up is the best ive seen for a long time in my opinion and i wouldn't like to loose any of them.

[Quicksilver1]

???

Um...I meant in something more major.

CRACK!

*Feels balls being broken*

[Beast]

???

Um...I meant in something more major.

CRACK!

*Feels balls being broken*
Something more major than the current top selling X-Men book?

As Kitty Pryde recently said: "Huhbuhwhat?"

[Quicksilver1]

Something more major than the current top selling X-Men book?

As Kitty Pryde recently said: "Huhbuhwhat?"

I mean something like a major arc or crossover.

[KOSLOX]

I just finished reading Mutant Massacre, why are people convinced that Malice is Emma? It's clearly Malice in the exact same costume she was depicted in in the beginning of that story.

[Beast]

I just finished reading Mutant Massacre, why are people convinced that Malice is Emma? It's clearly Malice in the exact same costume she was depicted in in the beginning of that story.
Because we've already been pretty much outright told where Malice is. And that's not her.

[KOSLOX]

Because we've already been pretty much outright told where Malice is. And that's not her.

Yea but that's just so that they can picture her on the cover. Otherwise it would just be the collar around Sentinel.

[Toboe]

Something more major than the current top selling X-Men book?

As Kitty Pryde recently said: "Huhbuhwhat?"

Yeahbuhwhat?

Anyway, it does seem kind of pontless and stupid to kill any of the characters. As rZi, it wouldn't benefit the story at all, and this is a great lineup. Besides it'd only damage whoever it is because we all know that they all come back eventually...

Meh, so tired of comic books deaths.

[Beast]

Yea but that's just so that they can picture her on the cover. Otherwise it would just be the collar around Sentinel.
Other than Mike Carey's been coy about the person. And Newsarama outright avoided asking him about the person, to keep the speculation going. So we'll see in another 2 days, when X-Men #200 comes out. :)

[KOSLOX]

Other than Mike Carey's been coy about the person. And Newsarama outright avoided asking him about the person, to keep the speculation going. So we'll see in another 2 days, when X-Men #200 comes out. :)

True Enough.

[Beast]

We've also seen a preview image of Emma inside Rogue's head, filled with the 8 billion minds. Easy enough for her to be overwhelmed, taken over, or go bonkers from it. Or there's always a chance that she sides with Sinister, as a means of helping mutantkind. Like Carey said, most of the X-Men are pretty desperate. :)

[Quicksilver1]

I read an interview saying Rogue is going to come out of this with new powers? Wonder whos

[KOSLOX]

I really just started getting into X-Men with Carey's run, i've been heading to my campus library to pick up some older stories, hence mutant massacre. What are some other really good stories, I've read MM and Inferno so far.

[Gene M.]

We've also seen a preview image of Emma inside Rogue's head, filled with the 8 billion minds. Easy enough for her to be overwhelmed, taken over, or go bonkers from it. Or there's always a chance that she sides with Sinister, as a means of helping mutantkind. Like Carey said, most of the X-Men are pretty desperate. :)
Or... Marvel could have recolored the cover to mislead fans. Let's not forget that Mystique looks to be joining the Marauders. ;)

[CykeBD]

Kitty is alive and well on the cover of X-Men #202. Course I'm still confused as to when the Astonishing arc matches up with the Marauders arc of X-Men.

[Hi-Fi]

Kitty is alive and well on the cover of X-Men #202. Course I'm still confused as to when the Astonishing arc matches up with the Marauders arc of X-Men.
The Astonishing arc happens after the Marauders arc. :)

[Beast]

Kitty is alive and well on the cover of X-Men #202. Course I'm still confused as to when the Astonishing arc matches up with the Marauders arc of X-Men.
X-Men #202 is supposedly before Astonishing X-Men.

Carey said that he thinks that AXM wraps up just before Messiah Complex.

[CykeBD]

Damn that Astonishing shipping schedule :) . So Astonishing wraps up after the Marauders, but before the Messiah Complex. Cool...thanks for getting me back on track guys.

[Omega Alpha]

Or... Marvel could have recolored the cover to mislead fans. Let's not forget that Mystique looks to be joining the Marauders. ;)

Mystique is joining the Marauders I thought that after the covers and Alonso's spoilers, everyone would have abanonded that idea already.