Could someone please explain Xorn?

[Funkdmonkey]

Who or what is Xorn?

Whenever I look at some sort of biography or go on Wikipedia, I'm just overloaded with lots of unusual and seemingly irrelevant information.

From what I understand he was a mutant that could heal/destroy with his hands, but it turns out he was actually Magneto...but it turns out that was a fake/imposter...but in reality it was the real Magneto?

If someone could explain who Xorn is, what his relation to Magneto is, and what his general relevance is, even in simple point form, I'll be very grateful.

[Expletive Deleted]

It depends.

Xorn was initially an alias used by Magneto to infiltrate the X-Men. Then he was retroactively declared a separate being who was impersonaing Magneto. Then there were a few more gratuitous retcons, and now it's just a hopeless mess that we're better off ignoring.

Incidentally, Xorn is an X-Character, so I'll toss this over to the X-Forum.

[Beast]

It's really not that big of a mess. It's pretty clear at this point. Lemme find my old post.

[Beast]

Xorn was exactly what he originally appeared to be. A chinese mutant with a star for a brain. Thanks to the influence of Sublime, he began to believe himself to actually be Magneto. Sublime was trying to use the face of Magneto, to ensure a war that would exterminate mutant kind. He failed and Xorneto was decapitated. Xorn didn't die however, and when Decimation hit his essence became a part of the depowered mutant energy. Realizing that mutants needed the true Magneto more than ever, traveled to Genosha to repower Magneto.

[jarrod]

It's been implied that Wanda played a part shaping Xorn as facist Magneto too...

[Beast]

Here's from Joe Friday's way back in June of last year. The final word.
NRAMA: Gotcha. Moving to other topics - this week saw Brian Bendis (hopefully) explain or close the book on Xorn in New Avengers #20. Okay – honestly now – can you explain to us what he was/is? And Magneto has powers again? Depowered isn’t depowered, is it?

JQ: Kuan-Yen Xorn and Shen Xorn were twin brothers from China, both mutants, one with the power of a star in his head, one the power of a black hole. Kuan-Yen Xorn came under the influence of as-yet-to-be-revealed entity that forced him to assume the identity of Magneto, battle the X-Men and destroy Manhattan. He was subsequently killed by Wolverine near the end of that battle, in the Planet X storyline.

Soon thereafter, his twin brother Shen surfaced and briefly joined the X-Men. This Xorn brother was de-powered during M-Day.

Because Xorn's powers were psychokinetic, and his personality was so strong, it basically remained an almost disembodied sentient thing among the big ball of mutant energy. When that energy got sucked down to Earth by Michael and all absorbed by him, Xorn was the dominant personality in the mix, and that's what drove him towards Genosha and Magneto.

NRAMA: You make it all sound so…simple…

[Beast]

It's been implied that Wanda played a part shaping Xorn as facist Magneto too...
That was Dr. Strange's theory. But so far that's all it appears to have been.

[jarrod]

That was Dr. Strange's theory. But so far that's all it appears to have been.
Well, there's also questionable similarities between Sublime and That Which Endures... I could see someone connecting the dots eventually.

It's also possible Wanda may have revived her father on Genosha too... lots of possibilities in every direction.

[jmc247]

Xorneto was Xorn's twin brother pretending to be Xorn, who was pretending to be Magneto, and under the effect of the sentient mold Sublime and the mind altering drug Kick.

[Beast]

Well, there's also questionable similarities between Sublime and That Which Endures... I could see someone connecting the dots eventually.

It's also possible Wanda may have revived her father on Genosha too... lots of possibilities in every direction.
That's what I'm expecting also. Which is why Marvel won't name "Sublime" as the cause. I'm thinking when they finally want to salvage Scarlet Witch, they'll drag "That Which Endures" and "Sublime" out of the closet, connect them, and use them to explain why Wanda went crackers. Since the similarity of both not being able to exist in mutants without a infusion of them is there. Not to mention TWE/Scarlet Witch attacked Vision and made She-Hulk go crazy in both instances. I don't think she was responsible for his resurrection on Genosha though.

[jarrod]

Yeah, seems like the easy for salvaging Wanda. I'd agree with the Magento resurrection personally, though it'd make some sense as to how he survived undetected, walking and powers intact (boosted actually even).

[jmc247]

Yeah, seems like the easy for salvaging Wanda. I'd agree with the Magento resurrection personally, though it'd make some sense as to how he survived undetected, walking and powers intact (boosted actually even).

Magneto has said many times he has a healing factor, he has healed from injuries other humans would never walk away from.

According to Beast in New X-Men 97 his mutant powers somehow greatly enhance his healing abilities.

For some reason his body is also able to take full powered hits to the head without his helmet or shields from the likes of Hercules, Namor, and Colossus.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetostrong.jpg

[jarrod]

Sure, but at the time of Genosha's destruction, Magneto was physically weakened and his powers had atrophied greatly. Seems a tall order to expect such a miraculous recovery, especially in the face of the nation's complete destruction imo.

[DDM]

Magneto has said many times he has a healing factor, he has healed from injuries other humans would never walk away from.

According to Beast in New X-Men 97 his mutant powers somehow greatly enhance his healing abilities.

For some reason his body is also able to take full powered hits to the head without his helmet or shields from the likes of Hercules, Namor, and Colossus.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetostrong.jpg

Magneto does not have a healing factor. He was at the peak condition of mind, body & soul thanks to Eric the Red (Davaan Shakari) restoring him to his youthful 30-40 years old in Uncanny X-Men #104. Magneto stayed in this condition for years after not allowing his powers to be diluted again...until the early 90's post-Claremont when he was miswritten as a parody villain for every "event."

[jmc247]

Magneto does not have a healing factor.

There have been several X-Men comics over the years that have said differently, like when they are reduced to humans in New X-Men 99.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/magssuperior.jpg

[Funkdmonkey]

Thank you Beast, that cleared it up for me. :)

[dotdotdot]

no one will ever be able to clear up this nonsense.

[Monty_Cristo]

Magneto does not have a healing factor. He was at the peak condition of mind, body & soul thanks to Eric the Red (Davaan Shakari) restoring him to his youthful 30-40 years old in Uncanny X-Men #104. Magneto stayed in this condition for years after not allowing his powers to be diluted again...until the early 90's post-Claremont when he was miswritten as a parody villain for every "event."

he took Colossus' punch because his body is reinforced by a magnetic shield. it's like wearing armor. otherwise, blood would have been shooting from his mouth.

There have been several X-Men comics over the years that have said differently, like when they are reduced to humans in New X-Men 99.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/magssuperior.jpg

all mutants have this; as well as quicker reflexes.

[jmc247]

he took Colossus' punch because his body is reinforced by a magnetic shield.

Sorry, but no he had no shields up, when Magneto has his shields up even the Hulk or Phoenix haven't been able to touch him.

[Ungoliantschilde]

To talk about Xorn, you have to talk about NEW-X-MEN by Grant Morrison. Morrison basically wrote it so that the next generation of Mutant leaders could step up, because Xavier and Magneto are such obvious analogues for Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X. While in the real world, those two people are long since deceased, they have become more important as symbols now, to the point that if they were alive, they'd just be one more civil rights leader in a country that has largely moved on from those issues.

In other words, Xavier and Magneto were successful. They championed the causes of mutant-kind... but it's someone else's turn nao. Xavier was prepared for that, but Magneto couldn't accept the fact that he had become more important as a symbol than as an actual leader. Mutants had their own ideas, their own dreams, and Magneto was no longer relevant as anything but a symbol of defiance against oppression. Magneto faked his own death, and hid out among the X-Men, posing as a chinese mutant with a miniature star for a brain. He called himself Xorn, and slowly worked on destroying the team from within by manipulating the students and teaching ever more radical beliefs. In the end, Magneto went nuts. He started doing a drug called Kick - which was actually an aerosol form (Yeah. An aerosol super-villain... Morrison is the man.) of a real scumbag named John Sublime - and the drug basically enhanced mutant-powers to an extreme degree. Unfortunately, it was also extremely addictive, and it gave Sublime control of the users after continued exposure. Magneto destroyed NYC, killed Jean Grey, and set mutant-kind back 30 years. Wolverine lopped his head off after he killed Jean, and everyone thought Magneto was dead.

A couple of Months later, Magneto showed up in Claremont's 14 issue House of M preview run on Excalibur. They retconned Morrison's run on NEW-X-MEN by saying that the man Wolverine killed was actually the evil twin brother of a chinese mutant named Xorn - the real one, apparently - and that Magneto had been on Genosha all along.

Long story short? Marvel wanted Magneto for House of M, so they changed history to fit the story.

[jmc247]

Magneto faked his own death, and hid out among the X-Men, posing as a chinese mutant with a miniature star for a brain. He called himself Xorn, and slowly worked on destroying the team from within by manipulating the students and teaching ever more radical beliefs.

Morrison wrote a drug addicted idiot herding women and children into ovens not Magneto.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/MagnetoNazi.jpg

[Mikl C]

I think Magneto has auto-shields of a sort, a personal forecield he always has up which deflects the main force of punches.

[jmc247]

I think Magneto has auto-shields of a sort, a personal forecield he always has up which deflects the main force of punches.

All I know is he is one of the few people other then the Hulk, Jugs, and a few others to be able to stay on his feet for some time in a fist fight with the likes of Colossus and Hercules.

[Taskmaster]

Morrison wrote a drug addicted idiot herding women and children into ovens not Magneto.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/MagnetoNazi.jpg

Beyond the fact that he was written ENTIRELY out of character, it also couldn't have been Magneto considering he hid out and lived with the X-Men, including several telepaths (Jean, Emma, Charles, etc.) who all know his brainwaves and would have a psychic alarm go off the second he was near the mansion (and even if the mask shielded him, he took it off more than once during the story) and managed to hide his scent from Wolverine despite the fact that Wolvie's been shown to be able to detect things that even others with enhanced senses would miss (Daredevil in Infinity War) and there is no way that Magneto could've kept himself hidden in the mansion for long

[Brian M.]

Brian Bendis did a fine job explaining him in the Collective.

[Ungoliantschilde]

Morrison wrote a drug addicted idiot herding women and children into ovens not Magneto.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/MagnetoNazi.jpg

Well, I can see why you'd think that. I agree that it was out of character, but I still think that NEW-X-MEN was quite possibly the best X-Men arc since the original Claremont/Byrne run on Uncanny. You might not have agreed with everything that Morrison did, but he moved the team dynamic forward into the new millennium, and he revitalized a dying a book. I am a huge fan of his run, and I liked it. I disagreed with the way that Magneto acted at times, but it served the needs of the story, so it was a wash in my opinion.

By the way, he was wearing a telepathy-blocking helmet the entire time he was hiding out inside the mansion. That probably had something to do with the telepaths not being able to read him.

[Michael Sean]

Xorn was a disquise that Magneto used to infiltrate the mansion and create his new brotherhood with the special class. Magneto was upset about the mutant genocide in Genosha so he planned on reversing the magnetic poles and mutant domination and human enslavement/extermination.

He was also on kick (Sublime in gas form) that was making him more aggressive and somewhat controlled by Sublime.

Even though the super aggressive Kicked up Magneto put down his Xorn personna, Xorn represented his good side (his inner star, they say and show this in Planet X).

Xorn's history was fake and Xorn's stand alone issue was a deception-- it was a journal entry that Xorn/Magneto wrote for Xavier.

The Xorn subplot and Planet X were among Magneto's best stories.

Psycho Magneto is not out of character, thats how he originally was. Claremontian good Magneto was out of character and even Claremont eventually wrote that it was due to Moira's tampering.

However, good Magneto was in Morrisons run-- Xorn. And Morrison left ways to explain psycho Magneto-- Kick/Sublime and Genoshan genocide.

So both versions of Magneto were covered.

Magneto's plan was awesome and so was his destroying the city and his speeches. People didn't like him going Nazi or Morrison portraying his and Xavier's ideas as outdated.

I know people didn't like him being Hitler-like because he survived the Holocaust but that was part of the tragic irony.

Planet X was a shocking and ambitious story.

They imply Magneto got decapitated at the end but they could have brought him back in other ways. They could have said that it was his helmet that rolled not his head. They already said that he always returns like Jean. Maybe he could have mutated into a real Xorn or Jean could have brought him back.

Anyways they retconned Magento pretending to be Xorn into Xorn pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn because of Sublime and/or Wanda.

Well he wouldn't have been pretending because he actually believed he was Magneto pretending to be Xorn when he was really Xorn being manipulated.

Xorn was an innocent victim who was controlled and made to commit acts of genocide, murder Jean, and get murdered by Logan. And then they introduced his twin brother and sent him off to limbo.

I can't believe people actually prefered the Bert and Ernie version of Magneto and Xavier that Claremont wrote in Excalibur.

I would rather have a Magneto that attempts world domination and destroys cities anyday over a Magneto that cooks breakfast for and probably sodomizes Charles Xavier!

[dotdotdot]

Xorn was a disquise that Magneto used to infiltrate the mansion and create his new brotherhood with the special class. Magneto was upset about the mutant genocide in Genosha so he planned on reversing the magnetic poles and mutant domination and human enslavement/extermination.

He was also on kick (Sublime in gas form) that was making him more aggressive and somewhat controlled by Sublime.

Even though the super aggressive Kicked up Magneto put down his Xorn personna, Xorn represented his good side (his inner star, they say and show this in Planet X).

Xorn's history was fake and Xorn's stand alone issue was a deception-- it was a journal entry that Xorn/Magneto wrote for Xavier.

The Xorn subplot and Planet X were among Magneto's best stories.

Psycho Magneto is not out of character, thats how he originally was. Claremontian good Magneto was out of character and even Claremont eventually wrote that it was due to Moira's tampering.

However, good Magneto was in Morrisons run-- Xorn. And Morrison left ways to explain psycho Magneto-- Kick/Sublime and Genoshan genocide.

So both versions of Magneto were covered.

Magneto's plan was awesome and so was his destroying the city and his speeches. People didn't like him going Nazi or Morrison portraying his and Xavier's ideas as outdated.

I know people didn't like him being Hitler-like because he survived the Holocaust but that was part of the tragic irony.

Planet X was a shocking and ambitious story.

They imply Magneto got decapitated at the end but they could have brought him back in other ways. They could have said that it was his helmet that rolled not his head. They already said that he always returns like Jean. Maybe he could have mutated into a real Xorn or Jean could have brought him back.

Anyways they retconned Magento pretending to be Xorn into Xorn pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn because of Sublime and/or Wanda.

Well he wouldn't have been pretending because he actually believed he was Magneto pretending to be Xorn when he was really Xorn being manipulated.

Xorn was an innocent victim who was controlled and made to commit acts of genocide, murder Jean, and get murdered by Logan. And then they introduced his twin brother and sent him off to limbo.

I can't believe people actually prefered the Bert and Ernie version of Magneto and Xavier that Claremont wrote in Excalibur.

I would rather have a Magneto that attempts world domination and destroys cities anyday over a Magneto that cooks breakfast for and probably sodomizes Charles Xavier!

what this guy said

[dotdotdot]

i mean the entire arc had characters addressing this seemingly mischaracterization, and then it was explained for you on top of it.

[carabas]

Morrison wrote a mind-controlled former terrorist returning to his Stan Lee/Jack Kirby psychopath roots, who ironically was herding women and children into ovens.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/MagnetoNazi.jpg
There, fixed.

[Phil Hunn]

Morrison wrote a drug addicted idiot herding women and children into ovens not Magneto.

Oh, but it was all about the irony! The irony, I tell you!

And about Magneto looking like such a buffoon he had to take oratory advice from the freakin' Toad.

Surely you can see now why it was so awesome?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait... How come nobody posted the link to this vid yet??? :D

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160

[Phil Hunn]

Wait... How come nobody posted the link to this vid yet??? :D

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160

It's been too long since I watched that.

"Hold on, eh - didn't I just kill you four months ago?

:D

[Flight]

http://www.forumspile.com/Gay-PinkGuy.jpg

[jarrod]

I would rather have a Magneto that attempts world domination and destroys cities anyday over a Magneto that cooks breakfast for and probably sodomizes Charles Xavier!
Eh, to each their own... but man, just imagine the prezel positions he could twist Chuckie up in, plus with no feeling he could take it totally raw.... I, uh, think I need to date a paraplegic. :o

[jmc247]

I would rather have a Magneto that attempts world domination and destroys cities anyday over a Magneto that cooks breakfast for and probably sodomizes Charles Xavier!

There is a line inbetween wussified Magneto and Morrison's Nazi idiot Magneto and that is were he was in House of M and that is the Magneto I like.