Human AND mutant decimation

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

During Morrison's run Beast found that Humans were going to die out in a few generations....Wanda then said "no more mutants"....but that doesn't necessarily change what Beast found out about humans.

So are they both going to die? or is HoM, Endangered Species Marvel's attempt to recont anything associated with Morrison?

[The Lucky One]

Beast didn't say they were going to die out exactly, he said they were going to be replaced. "Die out" in the sense that the species would evolve. But with the mutants gone, there's nothing to replace them, so that's no longer relevant.

-D

[Beast]

Best to just ignore the "Extinction Gene". We can assume it's no longer in play thanks to M-Day.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Why tho? Its "safe" to assume Wanda just reversed the extinction ....it'd actually make more sense for marvel to say "wanda didnt' actually damn her own race, she just switched/hexed what was already there"

But I think it'd be a MORE interesting dynamic if you had BOTH races facing extinction b/c it would heighten the tensions b/w the two races.

[Brian M.]

Why tho? Its "safe" to assume Wanda just reversed the extinction ....it'd actually make more sense for marvel to say "wanda didnt' actually damn her own race, she just switched/hexed what was already there"

But I think it'd be a MORE interesting dynamic if you had BOTH races facing extinction b/c it would heighten the tensions b/w the two races.

Weren't humans only gonna go extinct b/c mutants were gonna replace them, since new mutants aren't growing anymore...how would humans go extinct?

[The M.E.]

Why tho? Its "safe" to assume Wanda just reversed the extinction ....it'd actually make more sense for marvel to say "wanda didnt' actually damn her own race, she just switched/hexed what was already there"

But I think it'd be a MORE interesting dynamic if you had BOTH races facing extinction b/c it would heighten the tensions b/w the two races.

Eh, i don't think so, but that's just me :)

[Beast]

Why would it? The Extinction Gene was already public knowledge. That was Morrison's attempt to circle back to the beginning at the end of his run and give a reason along with Sublime for Humans to hate Mutants. But there doesn't need to be a Microscopic Entity or Extinction Gene to explain hate. There's still racism, homophobia, and hate crimes all the time. We don't need silly science reasons for them.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

According to Cassandra Nova mutants were going to replace Homo sapiens...just as humans replaced neanderthals...it's an evolutionary process.

That doesn't mean that it ended. Mutants are going extinct b/c of what Wanda did, but that just means that not only are humans going to go extinct but the species that's going to succeed them are dying out as well.

The way i understood it was that it isn't so much that the mutant population was going to outnumber humans and compete for resources...it was just that humans were at the end of the line.


I think it'd be more compelling if humans saw this and realized "hey if we dont help the mutants humans are screwed too".....in the end it'd progress the human/mutant dream further than anything Xavier could've ever dreamed up or hoped for

And it'd also actually deal with this books main message of fighting for acceptance rather than infighting.

[Beast]

Not really. Mutant births were replacing flatline births. That's all that plot point meant. Now with "No More Mutants", the births would all be flatlines. So-called extinction gene averted. It's not like since M-Day we're dealing with a "Children of Men" situation. There have been human births.

[Flâneur]

Not really. Mutant births were replacing flatline births. That's all that plot point meant. Now with "No More Mutants", the births would all be flatlines. So-called extinction gene averted. It's not like since M-Day we're dealing with a "Children of Men" situation. There have been human births.
They were being replaced with mutants because the E gene stopped them from having flatline offspring though, and there's no reason why that would stop humans from being born now since it was meant to happen gradually over the generations. So why would Wanda's woogie do a thing to stop that?

[The Lucky One]

Meh... we'll just file it under M for Mystery right next to "Why aren't the X-Men invisible to electronic sensors anymore?" and move on.

-D

[Pro]

They were being replaced with mutants because the E gene stopped them from having flatline offspring though, and there's no reason why that would stop humans from being born now since it was meant to happen gradually over the generations. So why would Wanda's woogie do a thing to stop that?

Indeed, 3 generations before humans would become extinct. We see 150 years in marvel time still at least one human character. So the extinction scenario would take about 200 years real world time before we'd even notice any major population shifts :p. For the most part it would just serve as a background for stories and give some humans more imperative to kill of mutants in order to avoid the human extinction gene being triggered. It would pose an interesting conundrum with regards to professor Xavier's dream because you can hardly champion the ideal of human-mutant co-existence if one of the races is always going to end up thriving at the expense of the other?

If mutants reach a certain population number human births stop. Scary stuff, intense moral issues. It's a great storyconcept which i had hoped would have been adressed rather than swept under the rug.

[Pro]

The x-gene is something different than the e-gene from how i understood it. The x-gene introduces mutation in humans resulting in homo superior. Once that new race grows large enough to support a population the e-gene switches off the ancestor race's births, extinguishing the bloodline of homo sapiens. No more human births, the human race grows infertile. Homo superior has taken over.

I wonder if the e-gene is also a Celestial addition to the human genome ..

[Brian M.]

Eh, that's what's happening in real life. It's called Global Warming, and I'd rather see the X-men fight Sinister and Beast than watch Al Gore and George Bush debate again anyday. Although the name Messiah Complex would probably be just as appropriate, on both parts :)

Aw please don't bring politics into this.

[The M.E.]

Aw please don't bring politics into this.

Sorry :). I was trying to do so in a funny equal opportunity way (insulting both sides), but seeing how heated things get in here over someone's costume or such, I retract my comment :).

[frog]

I'm afraid I can't find the original quotes, but Carey once said something about Wanda having not only exterminated the X-gene, but possibly humanity's ability to mutate at all. That would be just as bad for flatline humans as mutants, for once you lose the ability to change you can't adapt.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Which makes "The Children of the Vault" all the more interesting.

Personally I think it was a brilliant way to get around the "no more mutants" BS and say....well these aren't mutants they're just people with super powers that above mutants ;) ;)

Much like mother nature, creative writers will always find a way around the "rules"

[Frank]

During Morrison's run Beast found that Humans were going to die out in a few generations....Wanda then said "no more mutants"....but that doesn't necessarily change what Beast found out about humans.

So are they both going to die? or is HoM, Endangered Species Marvel's attempt to recont anything associated with Morrison?

That's an interesting thing to adress. What if even if mutants have been reduced and are clearly going to be instinct that humanity will be replaced anyway. Just not by mutants..? :evilsmile

[Frank]

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