X-Men: Endangered Species - Reviewed & Spolied for the lot of you

[Boogie]

Hey, Long time lurker, first time poster, and i figured since no one else posted one, and i just happen to finish reading it, i would give it a little review.

Starts off at a funeral for an unknown mutant child. Countless members of various X-men teams are sitting around looking all clean and snazzy. How a lot of them got a seat in the front pew at a funeral of someone they didnt even really know is beyond me, but i dont think thats the point here.

The Priest is stalking about How everything has meaning. Everything is connected. Whatever happens in life, happens for a purpose. Without one, you cant have the other. You get the idea.

Mercury and X-23 talk about how the kid's life might have work out different if he would have went to school at Xaiver's. Then, realizing the death toll of the student body over in the NXM book, they change thier minds, commenting on how many funerals they have been to and they arent even sophmores yet. (though, i thought they were sophomores... Oh well. :)

They have three minutes of Silent prayer over the casket. Professor X, testing out his newly retrieved telepahtic powers, decides to listen in on the thoughts/prayers of the others. Bet you cant pick out which thought bubble was Kurt's.

Emma, who apparently also does not know what three minutes of silent prayer is, decides to talk to Charles in his mind. Saying that he thought he had all the answers, that they all did. But they really didn't, and probably got what they all deserved for it. Oh Emma, always the optimistic one.

Wolverine, looking down at the coffin, sees, instead of the boy, his wife (sorry, i cannot think of her name right now), then she changes into Jean crying (in morrison team outfit), then into.. sabertooth? All the people he ever loved? His claws snikt out and Kurt points it out to him. Logan apologizes and says he's sorry, he was miles away. It flashes into the future with Logon in a cemetary , looking old, and sad, surrounded by the graves of all the X-men. He knows deep down, no matter what, they are all going to die and he wont be able to stop it from happening. It's life... Oh! A Theme!

Charles, forever bored and nosey it seems, focuses in on a old and reads his thoughts. Old man notices, points out the rudness of it all, and turns on a psi-shield. More on him later. I promise.

Funeral ends and Scott walks up to the grieving family and thanks them for allowing himself and the x-men to pay their respects. Scott Summers, super nice guy. Or, according to the Father, not so much. The father says his son wasnt just another number, one of their 190 something mutants left. He was a boy. Emma, who as we know, always like a good debate, jumps in. She agrees with the man and says that most of them are here because of recent events have shown them how important each life is. The Father points out that she still means a mutant and that they are here to cross another name off thier list and mourn their own hard times. Ouch. Emma wants to incflict pain on him. Scott wants he to let it go. She tells him that she has been through a lot of loss in her life and doesnt need a lecture of the macanics of grief. They decided to part ways and leave the family alone.

Rahne and Julio are walking in the cemetary, with Rahne trying to convince Rictor that it is all apart of the Lord's plan. She asks him if staring into another mutant's grave made him afraid for the future. Rictor replies that at least the kid died with his powers intact and he should consider himself lucky. I think someone is still a little bitter about losing his powers. But Julio, your powers of sexiness are still strong!

Next we come to Cannonball, Iceman and Bishop. Bobby asks bishop if he is still on duty, becuase he works for O.N.E. now or something if i remember correctly. Bishop says he is almost done and then is going to go pay his respects. Sam asks Bishop why he didnt want them about all this happening,and, i might add, looking rather pissed about it as well. Bishop replies that in his time, a lot fo the records have been destroyed and that most of the info survived only in legends and stories. Sam points out that there were lots of mutants in Bishop's time to be put into all those camps, so what happened? Bishop says maybe his future is now on a different timeline. Sam disagrees. Maybe, maybe not. (Everything has a purpose...)

Nightcrawler tells Laura and Cess that the car will bring them back to the Academy in a few minutes. Cess asks how the kid died. Kurt tells her that he was run down in the street, an "ordinary death". I guess when you live their lives, being rundown in the streets is a good way to go. Cess freaks out about how the kid was stupid and should have taken better care of himself because they are an "endangered species". Makes you think. Hmmm..

Charles confronts the old man in the parking lot, who then turns off his image inducer to reviel that he is... Sebastian Shaw. Mr. Shaw it seems, has also seen the implications of yet another mutant death and came to pay his repects as well. Awwe, so nice. Charlie doesnt believe that is his only reason for being there and takes down his goons. Shaw says he can believe what he wants, and if he wants he can turn it into a fight because that is the way it always goes with them. Sahw says how Himself, Charles and Eric were supposed to be the clever ones. The Visionaries. But in the end, they just ended up beating the snot out of eachother instead. Kinda puts things into prospective. Hopes in the car with a "give my regards to Emma" and takes off. Take that Chuck!

Now onto my favortie scene in the whole book. Madrox and Beast are talking about how to save the mutant species. Jamie feels that they are missing the solution. Hanks says he is out of ideas. He says that he see mutant extinction as a fact now and he doesnt know what to do to stop it. Jamie brings up breeding programs and beast informs him that there aren't enough of them left for it. Then Jamie starts snapping his fingers with an "no?" and next thing you know, we have 12 dupes. Down ladies. keep it together, beast is about to kill that buzz. Hank aprreciates Jamie's dedication to the cause (haha) but says it wont work. There isnt enough genetic diversity left in mutant population to re-create the template. I still think they would have fun trying it Jamie's way, but maybe that's just me. Madrox asks if they should just lay down and die then? Beast: "Good lord, no. I'm not recomending that. For my part, i intend to die standing up. And singing the marseillaise." Mike Carey should always right beast. awesome.

Cyclops has a hissy and blasts the sky, making it get all lightingish up in there. Logan walks over and asks if he feels better. Scott says no. They talk about the kid and how Cyclops doesnt even really remember him that well, becuase when he interview him for Xaiver's, there were so many kids at the time, he just moved on and forgot about him when the kid turned down the offer. Logona says it always takes a situation like this to make them look death in the face and that is the only way you know what life is worth. That they are all fighting the same fight against death and that is what life is and how easy it is to forget that. Scott says the fight is rigged. Logona says they cant stop fighting, because they dont know how not too. Deep Wolvie.. Deep.

Light crackles, clouds open up, sun bursts through.. a new begining? :)

Overall, i really enjoyed it. If he had the time, i would have Mike Carey write all the x-books. Well, maybe not x-factor because PAD rules that book. It was a great opening shot to the endangered species arc. Eaton's art really isnt a favortie of mine, but it wasnt horrible either.

The backpage, with the checklist seems to reveal who exactly is going to have the Messiah Complex...

Ladies and gentlemen, the new lord and savior.. Beast. :)

[Hi-Fi]

Welcome to the boards, Boogie. Glad you've enjoyed the book. I still haven't read it yet. But I like Carey and I like wordy stories, so I'm sure I'll be all over this.

Thanks for the summary. :)

[Beast]

Carey was certainly right in warning people that this would be more or less a complete cerebral issue. A lot of talking and a lot of plot points dropped for Endangered Species and Messiah Complex. The talks between Madrox/Beast and Cyclops/Wolverine were two of the outstanding moments in the issue.

Xavier's confrontation with Sebastian Shaw was another good scene. Especially how Shaw throws the numerous battles the X-Men have had with the HFC in Xavier's face. Twisting those encounters as being Xavier's fault.

And yeah, while I thought there was strong signs the "Messiah Complex" referred to Beast... the checklist page dropped another strong sign in the write-up for Endangered Species. We'll see. :)

[The M.E.]

welcome to the boards and thanks for the summary! i cant grab it til tomorrow and i couldnt wait :)

[Hi-Fi]

Just finished it.

I thought it was a great read. Yeah, I know, I know, I'm a big fan of Carey's, and therefore I don't know if you guys will ever see this as a non-biased review. Anyway...

I felt that all the character interactions was right on. My favorite scene was the one between Xavier and Shaw. I've forgot how inteligent and scary Sebastian can be, and that conversation showed me again that he'll always be an important piece in the game, especially when he mentions his name in the same sentence of Erik and Charles. As usual, good attention to continuity, as Roberto is mentioned (hope he shows up soon).

Another one of my favorite parts was Emma replying to Xavier in that lovely rude tone of her, saying that they used to walk like Gods and that he thought he had all the answers. It makes things so clear: they're facing extinction now and that's so depressing. Loved the way she said to Scott that no one would teach her how to grief, after all she has been through.

Mercury's reaction left me a little torn: it was great to see her anger as she learned how the mutant died, but I don't think Cessily would be that explicit about her feelings. I mean, she was sort of a b*tch in the past, and I like that this wasn't forgotten, but she got soft and sensible since that. Well, despair usually make us go over the edge. Loved how bored Laura was. Wish we have seen more of her, Rahne and Rictor.

Another good scene was the Beast/Madrox one. Jamie's suggestion was great and made me smile and Beast felt natural as he usually does under Carey's.

The end was also pretty great. I always like when Logan and Scott interact. Wolverine was handled perfectly this issue, in my opinion. The way he freaked out when he faced the casket and saw Mariko, Jean and Creed and the fact that he probably will indeed bury all of his friends... I though that was genious, because I sincerely never realized that.

Anyway, great stuff.

[Beast]

Another good scene was the Beast/Madrox one. Jamie's suggestion was great and made me smile and Beast felt natural as he usually does under Carey's.
Exactly. Something that he hasn't been written as being in quite a while. Natural. Not being the lab monkey or offering the snappy one-liner to lighten the tension. Yes, he is those things... but most writers miss the point that he's other things as well. Like an actual 3-Dimensional character. ;)

[Hi-Fi]

I loved how Jean was crying in the coffin. That panel really got me.

[Faded]

Thanks, Boogie! Great way to start off your membership! POST MORE!

I thought the funeral itself wasn't really touching. I don't know if I'm a heartless FIEND, but I don't think the issue started off as strongly as it should.

However, I think the way Carey used most of the characters was the best I've seen them in a looooong time. It was nice seeing Logan have an emotional moment without it being overly melodramatic, while Emma's self-reflection/Xavier confrontation was done beautifully--I've regained a little bit of the love I lost for her. I'm not saying she's right, but I thought it was an appropriate emotion for her to have.

The Rictor/Rahne scene was nice, but I really felt like it should've continued further. It seemed like it was cut from a longer conversation.

Shaw was actually interesting, and his conversation with Xavier was really nice. I definitely want to see where he and the Hellfire Club are headed, despite disliking the state it was left in during "Chasing Hellfire".

McCoy was pure class and I loved his conversation with Jamie. Beast in X-Factor!

The conversation between Cyclops and Logan at the conclusion of the issue was priceless. It definitely felt like a friend talking to friend, and it definitely felt real.

Unfortunately, like I said in the other thread, this story full of awesome moments doesn't come together as an awesome issue. I don't know if disjointed is the right word, but I disliked the lack of transitions between the different scenes. The writing was superb (despite the art being a little bland) but it wasn't smooth enough from awesome scene to awesome scene to maintain the level of engagement(?) from start to finish.

[Nyssane]

OMG SO MUCH SPOLIERS. ;) But I love your in-depth synopsis, Boogie. You must make more!

I'm not going to get ES this week :( I'm too lazay to go to the shop, so I'll get it next week.

[Beast]

McCoy was pure class and I loved his conversation with Jamie. Beast in X-Factor!
Yeah, but then he wouldn't be written by someone who writes him like that.

[Kalen O.]

Oddly enough, the thing I liked best about the issue was Wolverine. If he were written that well all the time, I wouldn't make fun of rwsmith nearly as much. I'd almost be interested in Wolverine on Carey's team after this.

Only thing I didn't like about the issue was Cannonball and Bishop's conversation. It felt forced, like it was just there to give Bishop some relevance, particularly since Cable was already used to explore similar lines of thought in Supernovas. I just couldn't help thinking, well why the hell wouldn't someone have asked Bishop all this stuff before now, you know? Like, it was an interesting idea, it just seemed out of place, like its something that would have been addressed already. To be honest, Sam's anger made it feel like it was more his issues over his brother's death post-Decimation that led to the conversation, and I kinda wonder if Carey shoehorned it in because he never found room for Sam's reaction to Jay's death in Supernovas, but he still wanted to use it somewhere in someway.

[frog]

Sounds great! I probably won't be able to get my copy until later in the week. :(

Both Emma and Charles do not get high marks for funeral etiquette. Especially Charles, I'd have hated to think someone was eavesdropping on my thoughts at my mother's funeral. :mad:

[Big Red Spider]

I really didnt like it at all. I usally love Carey but the art was so horrible. The chit-chat went nowhere. I have now lost all interest in Endangered Species.

[jmc247]

Especially Charles, I'd have hated to think someone was eavesdropping on my thoughts at my mother's funeral. :mad:

Charles is a firm believer that the ends justify the means, he just isn't upfront that is what he believes unlike Magneto.

[frog]

And yeah, while I thought there was strong signs the "Messiah Complex" referred to Beast... the checklist page dropped another strong sign in the write-up for Endangered Species. We'll see. :)

Do you mean there was another strong sign for Beast as the one with the complex, or for someone else to have it?

[Christopher O]

I was utterly underwhelmed by this issue. Nothing happened. There was no movement of plot or character, and there was no reason to be invested in the story. This plot line has been running for two years and the use of some nameless, faceless mutant's death as a catalyst now after so long just doesn't cut it. It fell flat. Mike Carey may have worked for a cerebral story packed with emotion and urgency, but what he gave us was something forced, impotent, and tedious. I was very disappointed.

[Greg Anderson]

Hmm... I dunno if it's bias talking, but I liked the Bishop/Sam conversation. I think this was to set-up for Bishop to become a main player in the Messiah Complex story which an interview stated before that he'll play a big part, so.. yeah.

Awesome issue, I loved every page of it, I have no complaints. My favorite part like everyone else were the scenes of Cyclops and Logan and the conversation with Jamie and Beast. Great stuff, Carey, and the art was really nice, better than in paper than seeing it on the computer. And the artist gave Bishop a nice subtle look. :D (Sorry, I had to.)

[Beast]

Another strong sign for him to be the one. Just a sec, I'll retype the page.

Witness the death of a species...

Following the X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES one-shot, Dr. Hank McCoy searches for a way to reverse the disastrous effects of M-Day, the tragic day that 99% of the mutants on Earth lost their mutant gene. But as he draws closer to an answer, what price will he pay for the chance to be a savior?

[Boogie]

Yeah, but then he wouldn't be written by someone who writes him like that.

But if he was in X-Factor, he would be written by PAD! And as we saw in the Wonder Man mini, PAD writes an awesome Beast.

and thanks for the warm welcome all. I will try not to make the next one so in depth, but i warned you, i didnt say spoilers.. i said spoiled. :)

[Beast]

True, he does. But Beast's appearance as a guest star in X-Factor during Civil War wasn't as kind.

[NevamindU]

I like this issue, It was just a funeral and then talking nothing much really....I think the tie-in around the one shot will tell more.....chapter one is down 16 more to go!!!

[Michael P]

Not what I expected, but a pleasant surprise.

What I liked best (and I don't know if this is intentional or not) is how Carey, throughout the story, drew in my mind a parallel with John Donne's 27th Meditation (http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/meditation17.php). While he never explicity references it, by the end of the story, I was thinking about it quite a bit. We all spent quite a bit of mental effort wondering whose death the X-Men would be mourning this issue, and it turned out to be a kid we'd never even heard of, who died, not in battle with Magneto or at the hands of William Stryker, but by not looking both ways and getting hit by a truck. Such a simple occurrence, turned by the X-Men and by Carey into a metaphor for the death of every individual, and of the species.

"Every mutant's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mutantkind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

Good comic.

[chickrockguitar]

Hm. Anyone have any idea why Nori was on the Cover, but not in it? lol.

[Brian M.]

Hm. Anyone have any idea why Nori was on the Cover, but not in it? lol.

The way I figure it:

Cyclops: Leader of X-Men
Nightcrawler: Leader of Uncanny
Rogue: Leader of Adjectiveless
Wolverine: Whore
Surge: Leader of New X-Men
Madrox: Leader of X-Factor

[Pach!]

Hm. Anyone have any idea why Nori was on the Cover, but not in it? lol.

Nori was on the cover because it was the leaders of each squad (plus Wolveine who is the leader of capitalism), she wasn't in it because Mike Carey probably preferred Cess' voice to say what he wrote. Surge is much more angry about everything.

[Deadpooligan]

A surprisingly good read. I'm just peeved that the rest of this story is being issued as back-ups. What a jerk move to try and make me have to buy 3 more books a month.

[Beast]

The way I figure it:

Cyclops: Leader of X-Men
Nightcrawler: Leader of Uncanny
Rogue: Leader of Adjectiveless
Wolverine: Whore
Surge: Leader of New X-Men
Madrox: Leader of X-Factor
Cyclops - Leader of Astonishing, you mean. But right on about the whore thing. ;)

[Beast]

A surprisingly good read. I'm just peeved that the rest of this story is being issued as back-ups. What a jerk move to try and make me have to buy 4 more books a month.
So you don't buy any of the actual X-Books? Why bother with the storyline at all.

[Deadpooligan]

So you don't buy any of the actual X-Books? Why bother with the storyline at all.

No no, I do. I buy Astonishing and Adjectiveless and Cable & Deadpool but I know you don't care 'bout that one. I would however, buy New X-Men, X-Factor, and Uncanny if it they had a full story about this.

I just feel that something like 8 page backups in an issue don't merit me spending money on all those books. *shrugs*

For something like Messiah Complex, though, they're throwing out full stories in each issue, which is something I'd go for.

[ProfeZZor X]

I hate to talk negative about MC, but I actually DID NOT like Mike Carey's Beast in this story. Usually I can clique with his personality and character after the first few lines, but this situation just didn't seem right.

The story itself kind of went on and on from different people's perspectives on the subject matter, so I would have to agree with someone's earlier post that this issue seemed forced upon us. Maybe after reading it a couple of times, I might have a different view point, but from my first impression, I would have to say that I was not impressed... At least deeply.

EDIT: Deadpooligan raised a good point there.... So how the hell did Xavier get his powers back anyway? Last time I checked, he was only able to walk around and "F" up things more than what he has already, with his philosophical ramblings.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No no, I do. I buy Astonishing and Adjectiveless and Cable & Deadpool but I know you don't care 'bout that one. I would however, buy New X-Men, X-Factor, and Uncanny if it they had a full story about this.

I just feel that something like 8 page backups in an issue don't merit me spending money on all those books. *shrugs*

For something like Messiah Complex, though, they're throwing out full stories in each issue, which is something I'd go for.

Same thing here.

Only buy Astonishing, but I'll buy the 13 chapters and the ES one-shot. To hell with those 8 pages back-up story. :rolleyes:

[Boogie]

EDIT: Deadpooligan raised a good point there.... So how the hell did Xavier get his powers back anyway? Last time I checked, he was only able to walk around and "F" up things more than what he has already, with his philosophical ramblings.

You should read Uncanny. Not the best of the line, but still, gotta have it. If you are at all interested in the Endangered Species story lines, you should probably pick up all 4 titles soon anyway, to get a feel of what the characters are up to.

[Big Red Spider]

Deadpooligan raised a good point there.... So how the hell did Xavier get his powers back anyway? Last time I checked, he was only able to walk around and "F" up things more than what he has already, with his philosophical ramblings.

In uncanny Vulcan tried to kill him but instead he got his powers back. Something to do with mkraan crystal.

[Deadpooligan]

You should read Uncanny. Not the best of the line, but still, gotta have it. If you are at all interested in the Endangered Species story lines, you should probably pick up all 4 titles soon anyway, to get a feel of what the characters are up to.

I don't know, I wasn't to enthralled with Deadly Genesis. And thus, I don't find an X-Men space epic too exciting. (I mean, I grew up with all that confusing Shi'Ar crap in the 90's, I don't need to relive that.)

In uncanny Vulcan tried to kill him but instead he got his powers back. Something to do with mkraan crystal.

That's just the kind of crap I'm not gonna buy. He's got his powers and walking? It should be one or the other.

Oh, and, is it "Em-Krahn" or "Muh-Kran"?

[Boogie]

I don't know, I wasn't to enthralled with Deadly Genesis. And thus, I don't find an X-Men space epic too exciting. (I mean, I grew up with all that confusing Shi'Ar crap in the 90's, I don't need to relive that.)



That's just the kind of crap I'm not gonna buy. He's got his powers and walking? It should be one or the other.

Oh, and, is it "Em-Krahn" or "Muh-Kran"?

They are back from space now, well, some of them. New arc started, last week i think. Dealing with the Morlocks now. Plus, the return of Storm. Dont know if she is sticking around for long though. She may or may not be involved with the X-over this fall.

Chuck wont be walking for long... it's only a matter of time.

and i think it might be "em-krahn".

[Big Red Spider]

That's just the kind of crap I'm not gonna buy. He's got his powers and walking? It should be one or the other.



I wish I hadnt bought it. The first couple of issues looked pretty good and the art downgraded to look just this ES one shot.

[Faded]

Yeah, but then he wouldn't be written by someone who writes him like that.

Has PAD written Beast before? I just get the inkling he'd do a really good job with him.

Oddly enough, the thing I liked best about the issue was Wolverine. If he were written that well all the time, I wouldn't make fun of rwsmith nearly as much. I'd almost be interested in Wolverine on Carey's team after this.

Only thing I didn't like about the issue was Cannonball and Bishop's conversation. It felt forced, like it was just there to give Bishop some relevance, particularly since Cable was already used to explore similar lines of thought in Supernovas. I just couldn't help thinking, well why the hell wouldn't someone have asked Bishop all this stuff before now, you know? Like, it was an interesting idea, it just seemed out of place, like its something that would have been addressed already. To be honest, Sam's anger made it feel like it was more his issues over his brother's death post-Decimation that led to the conversation, and I kinda wonder if Carey shoehorned it in because he never found room for Sam's reaction to Jay's death in Supernovas, but he still wanted to use it somewhere in someway.

Agreed on everything!

Wolverine was pretty awesome. I'd like to see how Carey would use Wolverine in a less somber environment.

The Sam/Bishop conversation definitely felt like it was trying to convey a point rather than showcase an organic exchange. It really wasn't subtle enough to convince me it was the latter. Plus, I don't know if it was just me but I thought it was a dumb question for Sam to ask. This kind of conversation seems like it would've been better suited in one of the New X-Men's funerals or...just someone we knew that already died to justify some of the really strong emotions from the funeral. Sure I know, Endangered Species yeah yeah, but still...as Cessily said, they've been to plenty of funerals already.

[Faded]

Just so I'll be on the same page as everyone else: Professor X still can't control his powers right?

Because it was really cunty of him to be eavesdropping like that.

No no, I do. I buy Astonishing and Adjectiveless and Cable & Deadpool but I know you don't care 'bout that one. I would however, buy New X-Men, X-Factor, and Uncanny if it they had a full story about this.

I just feel that something like 8 page backups in an issue don't merit me spending money on all those books. *shrugs*

Regardless, you should be picking up X-Factor. ;)

True, he does. But Beast's appearance as a guest star in X-Factor during Civil War wasn't as kind.

What was bad? I kinda forget what the Astonishing team did during that arc.

[Michael P]

What was bad? I kinda forget what the Astonishing team did during that arc.

Show up, pose menacingly, leave.

[caney]

The Sam/Bishop conversation definitely felt like it was trying to convey a point rather than showcase an organic exchange. It really wasn't subtle enough to convince me it was the latter. Plus, I don't know if it was just me but I thought it was a dumb question for Sam to ask. This kind of conversation seems like it would've been better suited in one of the New X-Men's funerals or...just someone we knew that already died to justify some of the really strong emotions from the funeral. Sure I know, Endangered Species yeah yeah, but still...as Cessily said, they've been to plenty of funerals already.

I kinda liked the whole Sam/Bishop conversation. I agree that it may have been a bit forced, but I like the point it made. Sam arguing that maybe Bishop's future is the one that will happen and Bishop coldly agreeing with that sad look on his face was a cool moment.

Plus, Sam's not too far removed from burying his little brother, so I imagine this funeral brought back a lot of recent unpleasent memories. I think he was just misdirecting his anger towards Bishop in that scene. The poor guy needs an outlet for that.

[UniqueFrequency]

i'm actually torn about getting this. I'm semi-interested, but at the same time it's a good opportunity to switch to trades for the books (i already pick up New X-Men and Uncanny in trades)... maybe i'll flip it at the store before i decide.

[Brian M.]

No, Xavier can control his powers. In fact it was stated he might be more powerful then ever.

Also I kinda get the M'Krann repowering him. Isn't the crystal the nexus of all reality? So Xavier is swimming in the center of it...couldn't it be said that b/c of his interaction w/ it, it kinda merged on to him a reality where he got his powers back and his legs...I'm just slinging bull here, but it kinda makes sense.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

17 part "series".....screw that! I can read the solic's month to month and figure out what's going on...or just flip through the books in the store and see what Beast HASNT discovered this week. Marvel's trying kill time and do their own "Countdown/52" you know Beast isn't going to find something until the end of it and even then it'll wait until the end of the year to actually be revealed.

I think Endangered Species one shot had a great message about Pain and acceptence of loss, but as a whole it had NO impact in the Xmen. Some "red shirt" did die...in fact we didnt' even see the corpse or know what his powers were. I'm sorry but it was over priced. Yes it had some good moments. But there's no quality its just hype to buy into marvel's big cross over.

Anyone else notice Emma was wearing a wedding ring? LOL now THAT will crack the internet in half *mwuahahaha

[Red Lotus]

Just so I'll be on the same page as everyone else: Professor X still can't control his powers right?

Because it was really cunty of him to be eavesdropping like that.


I thought he was just being a prick. But I think its kind of in the middle. Some thoughts may have leak in, but now he seems to zoom in on the minds he wants to invade.

[SnakeEater]

Same thing here.

Only buy Astonishing, but I'll buy the 13 chapters and the ES one-shot. To hell with those 8 pages back-up story. :rolleyes:

I was checking this out. I read endangered species and though about the 8 page back ups. i swore i wouldnt buy the books for the 8 pages but reading this sort of changed my mind until i did a calculation.

17 parts - 8 pages each part. in total that is 136 pages correct? Plus this issue which was like 48 right? 184 pages right.
so could that even be a trade? if so im waiting for the trade

[Brian M.]

It's been said it'll be collected in one trade. You figure most books are 22-24 pages long and while Marvel likes having 6 issue arcs for convient trades, their are plenty out there w/ more then the 132-144 pages. I think Civil War was around the 180-200 page lenght. The First Class trade coming out is 194pages. I think it's safe to say it'll be one complete trade.

[GreatLakesAvenger]

I'm surprised to see so many positive reviews. I felt disappointed that the whole thing was basically a series of conversations at a funeral. We were only given vague ideas of how the mutants might cope with looming extinction, but the same ideas could have been lobbed back and forth on these forums for four bucks less.

I was hoping we'd be treated to one or two actual events that would propel the plot forward. This issue wasn't cerebral. It was eventless.

However, I must admit the page with Logan's accidental claw extraction was moving.

Overall, I liked a couple scenes, but felt that I might easily enjoy the upcoming Endangered story without this ambiguous setup.

[SnakeEater]

It's been said it'll be collected in one trade. You figure most books are 22-24 pages long and while Marvel likes having 6 issue arcs for convient trades, their are plenty out there w/ more then the 132-144 pages. I think Civil War was around the 180-200 page lenght. The First Class trade coming out is 194pages. I think it's safe to say it'll be one complete trade.

good. then im not stepping into this crap until Messiah comes out

[Brian M.]

good. then im not stepping into this crap until Messiah comes out

I was thinking of doing the same, I've been thinking about shifting into TPBs, but after hearing how Cyclops is gonna be a major player, I want to read it now.

[SnakeEater]

I was thinking of doing the same, I've been thinking about shifting into TPBs, but after hearing how Cyclops is gonna be a major player, I want to read it now.

i keep saying that and i keep stepping into a lot of crap. i said that about WWHulk and i ended up liking what i say at the shop and bought issue one. i have a lot of books on my pull list and im actually tired of a lot of them so pretty soon when the storylines im currently collecting are done i might drop about 5 books

[ProfeZZor X]

I don't know, I wasn't to enthralled with Deadly Genesis. And thus, I don't find an X-Men space epic too exciting. (I mean, I grew up with all that confusing Shi'Ar crap in the 90's, I don't need to relive that.)

I'm with you on that last one.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Exactly!

Here, Here!


What do space adventures have to do with getting Homo Sapiens to accept your species anyway? (Not that the xmen EVER deal with their main mission goal)

I think Sebastion said it perfectly...all they ever do is fight each other


half way through this issue when I saw Bishop I thought "oh god please let it be Sage in the coffin"

[Syzygy]

Xavier's confrontation with Sebastian Shaw was another good scene. Especially how Shaw throws the numerous battles the X-Men have had with the HFC in Xavier's face. Twisting those encounters as being Xavier's fault.

I got a kick out of this too. As though Shaw had never said this:



SHAW: If I and my associayes can isolate the genetic quirk that created us, and then custom build, through genetic engineering, mutants at will, the possibilities are limitless. In that quest, Nightcrawler, you X-Men will be our guinea pigs.

You know, in a sense, it would have been better for you four if we had killed you.

Shaw reminded me a bit of Hitler at the end of WWII, accusing the German people of having betrayed him, or Napoleon blaming his generals for his defeats....

And Shaw's remark about desiring to "isolate the genetic quirk" and "custom build" mutants is ironic considering Xavier supposedly sent him Sage. All he needed to do is round up a bunch of latents and he'd have had his custom built mutant horde....

(Of couse, Tessa wasn't really a spy at the time, neither did she have her jumpstarting ability then. But if the retcon were the reality, Shaw would have gotten his mutant army. Great strategy, Charles! The guy wants a mutant army, so you send him the one mutant who can actually give it to him!) :rolleyes:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It was also kind of two faced here shaw was thinking about dethrowing Decosta and then mentions infighting.

Given how recent Shaw showed up in Astonishing as an illusion he might not have been the best "voice of reason"

And Sage....ugh...someone press CTRL+ALT+DELiver

[Syzygy]

Another good scene was the Beast/Madrox one. Jamie's suggestion was great and made me smile and Beast felt natural as he usually does under Carey's.

Jamie Madrox was just kidding around with his suggestion. He used to work as a lab assistant for Moira MacTaggert, so he probably knows at least that much genetics.

After all, I know that much, and I only got as far as AP Biology in high school. So it'd be pretty sad if Jamie had spent several years apprenticing with Moira and had learned not even that much.:eek:

Bad decision to kill Moira, BTW. Her point of view is sorely missed. Not that anybody seems to mind, since they're all very chummy with Mystique. Until she betrays them again, of course.:rolleyes:

[Syzygy]

Especially Charles, I'd have hated to think someone was eavesdropping on my thoughts at my mother's funeral. :mad:

Just so I'll be on the same page as everyone else: Professor X still can't control his powers right? Because it was really cunty of him to be eavesdropping like that.


I thought he was just being a prick. But I think its kind of in the middle. Some thoughts may have leak in, but now he seems to zoom in on the minds he wants to invade.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Shaw is one of the X-Men's arch-enemies! People, he's an EVIL guy!

Yes, Xavier had better eavesdrop on his thoughts - indeed, on the thoughts of any unknown person that gets suspiciously close to the X-Men - or he's to blame when their enemies get the drop on them.

I'm saddened that the Xavier hate has reached such depths that people actually defend Shaw as against him.

The mutant race is in danger of dying off forever. Cut the old man some slack and let him use his powers to monitor for danger. After all, it worked here, didn't it? Do we want another exploding school bus?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Awww But Mysitque is like the bad boyfriend we always go back to hoping he's going to change or suddenly come to the realization in his heart that he really loves you and wants you back.

........what were we talking about again?


Then again...there's a tiny overlooked plotline. In Mystique's series there was some cosmetic company that had been using her DNA to try to replicate raven's ability to reverse her aging process and Mysitque even said there was a copy running around somewhere and she was taking the blame. It was sort of an off handed comment but it is plausible that the one that killed Moira and the one that went all crazy on Banshee was the unstable copy.

Not that Mystique is ever truely redeamed...but that's what so fascinating about her character. Its been hinted that she'll betray the Xmen, but what if it's a fakeout....it IS what people expect her to do...what if she does it only to undermine the badguys in the end?

[Guitar Hero]

One question, judging by X-Men: Endangered Species, is the whole story arc worth following?

[Beast]

One question, judging by X-Men: Endangered Species, is the whole story arc worth following?
It depends. The storyarc focuses more on trying to undo M-Day. Not just talking about it.

I'd say yes, especially for the information that has been released about the various chapters.

[frog]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Shaw is one of the X-Men's arch-enemies! People, he's an EVIL guy!

Yes, Xavier had better eavesdrop on his thoughts - indeed, on the thoughts of any unknown person that gets suspiciously close to the X-Men - or he's to blame when their enemies get the drop on them.

I'm saddened that the Xavier hate has reached such depths that people actually defend Shaw as against him.

So why is Xavier eavesdropping on X-Men like Kurt? He's not looking for enemies, he's just being a nosy jerk.

[Guitar Hero]

I see, or should i just wait until the trade comes out? It sounds like X-Men: Endangered Species is a powerful issue, so i might check it out...

[Syzygy]

So why is Xavier eavesdropping on X-Men like Kurt? He's not looking for enemies, he's just being a nosy jerk.

I'd guess that he's keeping his powers open to monitor for danger, given that he likely doesn't want another exploding school bus.

Telepathic scans do pick up noise. And he did ferret out an enemy.

My word, how people hate this guy! If he doesn't monitor for danger, he's careless, but if he does, he's a nosey prick. He can't win either way....

[Beast]

Agreed, Like Bishop (the Traitor) said... 10% of the global mutant population was there.

[frog]

I'd guess that he's keeping his powers open to monitor for danger, given that he likely doesn't want another exploding school bus.

Telepathic scans do pick up noise. And he did ferret out an enemy.

My word, how people hate this guy! If he doesn't monitor for danger, he's careless, but if he does, he's a nosey prick. He can't win either way....

Well, his recent characterization hasn't been exactly intended to make him lovable, especially in Deadly Genesis. And, if he's more powerful than ever, I'd think he could be more selective about listening in on his friend's private thoughts.

We all know what becomes of an "ends justifies the means" philosphy.

[Syzygy]

Well, his recent characterization hasn't been exactly intended to make him lovable, especially in Deadly Genesis. And, if he's more powerful than ever, I'd think he could be more selective about listening in on his friend's private thoughts.

We all know what becomes of an "ends justifies the means" philosphy.

I don't blame you for not liking him. Yes, his recent characterizations have been pretty sad, so I totally understand your thinking the worst of him.

Some of us remember a time before Sage, before Danger, before Vulcan, before Onslaught, when he was the stern but benevolent and caring patriach of the mutant family....

So I guess if you see him merely eavesdropping and being a prick, you're just drawing a consistent line from those stories.

But take my word for it...there was a day...!:o

[frog]

Some of us remember a time before Sage, before Danger, before Vulcan, when he was the stern but benevolent and caring patriach of the mutant family....

So I guess if you see him merely eavesdropping and being a prick, you're just drawing a consistent line from those stories.

But take my word for...there was a day...!:o

Yes, I know. Sometimes I think he's written this way just for pure shock value, as he's one of the last you'd expect to turn out nasty.

The recent development of Xavier's hubris is what has me wondering if he's not Mr. Messiah Complex.

[jester1436]

Some of us remember a time before Sage, before Danger, before Vulcan, before Onslaught, when he was the stern but benevolent and caring patriach of the mutant family....


Was this before or after OMG IM NOT DED IT WUZ REALLY CHANGELING JK X-MENZZZZZZ!!!!

And what about making Kitty play in the same sandbox as the X-Babies? We all know Professor Xavier is a jerk.

[Karthak]

Good issue. I liked Logan a lot more here than in his own book. The only thing about the book that made my hackles rise was the way that priest said that everything has a meaning, and when Wolfsbane told Rictor that "everything is part of gods plan".

Please, in the MU we have whole pantheons of other gods, we have the Celestials, and we have cosmic entities like Eternity and The Living Tribunal. We do not need that christian drivel there.

It reminds me of that Avenger (Firebird, I believe) who thought that her powers was a result of divine intervention or something like that. She then found out that they were a result of a failed alien school experiment, but she still thinks that it was "god" who ultimately gave her those powers.:p

[Syzygy]

Was this before or after OMG IM NOT DED IT WUZ REALLY CHANGELING JK X-MENZZZZZZ!!!!

And what about making Kitty play in the same sandbox as the X-Babies? We all know Professor Xavier is a jerk.

Like I said, the guy can't win, can he? If he says, "I'm monitoring for danger. We don't want someone exploding another bus on us." Someone comes back with, "You sent us up to Asteroid M when we were kids, you nasty old man, so why should I believe anything you say at all?"

What can be done? Anything the guy does, people are going to be accusing him of being self-serving at worst, or having mixed motives at best....

[BizarroBeachHead]

This issue was alright, but I wasn't to impressed with it. I really don't like Eaton's pencils here. It's not terrible, but like Tan, it's as boring and generic as comic art can get.

Also, this comic was decompression at it's finest. That was the worst use of a double page spread ending I'd ever seen.

I may have enjoyed it more if the art was a little more interesting. Can nobody draw Beast?

I would however, buy New X-Men, X-Factor, and Uncanny if it they had a full story about this.

I just feel that something like 8 page backups in an issue don't merit me spending money on all those books. *shrugs*

For something like Messiah Complex, though, they're throwing out full stories in each issue, which is something I'd go for.
Glad I'm not the only one.

[steve2275]

where was pete?

[Charybdis4]

So if Hank is going to be conducting lots of experiments & possibly consorting with Dark Beast, Sinister etc in a bid to bring back mutants, do you think this will be the way the writers bring back "monkey beast"??

Please, please, please, please.......

[Brian M.]

where was pete?


On top of Kitty

[We R. Venom]

I liked the issue, even though it lacked a bit of action. I didnt expect it, but a surprise would have been nice. Cyke and Wolverine's conversation was great. Beast and Jamie had me rolling, and the issue got me thining, so overall it was pretty good.

[Beast]

Re: Xavier.

These new arsehole developments are hardly new. It's just the fact they're retconning so many of them into his past at once, he's looking much more malicious than he ever was. But he was hardly ever Mr. Cuddly. After all, this is the guy who mind wiped much of Dunfee, Illinois to protect Hank's mutant secret. Including the girl he was seriously involved with at the time. She didn't remember Hank at all, leading him to wanting to beat the living snot out of Xavier for it. And requiring Scott, Bobby, and Warren to hold him back from doing it.

[sephirothskiller]

The one thing that got me about this issue (besides the horrible art) was Beast's explanation about genetic diversity to Jaimie.

It was wrong!!

It has already been established that the X-Gene only needs to be passed down from one parent for the kid to become a mutant, so Jamie could just "consort" with a bunch of humans and get genetic diversity from them!! The Reverend Maddox could be making a mutant as they spoke!

If mutants had to breed with other mutants it would be a different story.

[The M.E.]

Troy Brownfield gave a pretty positive review up at Newsarama. Hopefully lots of folks read it and get on board the endangered train :)

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=117633

[sephirothskiller]

The only thing about the book that made my hackles rise was the way that priest said that everything has a meaning, and when Wolfsbane told Rictor that "everything is part of gods plan".

Please, in the MU we have whole pantheons of other gods, we have the Celestials, and we have cosmic entities like Eternity and The Living Tribunal. We do not need that christian drivel there.


I really don't think that this is the place to be making anti-Christian comments such as "Christian drivel."

[Omega Alpha]

Very good stuff. I loved the Cyke and Wolverine interaction specially.

Re: Xavier.

These new arsehole developments are hardly new. It's just the fact they're retconning so many of them into his past at once, he's looking much more malicious than he ever was. But he was hardly ever Mr. Cuddly. After all, this is the guy who mind wiped much of Dunfee, Illinois to protect Hank's mutant secret. Including the girl he was seriously involved with at the time. She didn't remember Hank at all, leading him to wanting to beat the living snot out of Xavier for it. And requiring Scott, Bobby, and Warren to hold him back from doing it.

Yeah, Chuch was a very nasty guy with Lee & Kirby, but i think they took too far recently with the Sage, Danger & Deadly Genesis, to the point he's irredeamable. The Illuminati doesn't make him look very good also, but it's perfectly in character with any version of the character.

Good issue. I liked Logan a lot more here than in his own book. The only thing about the book that made my hackles rise was the way that priest said that everything has a meaning, and when Wolfsbane told Rictor that "everything is part of gods plan".

Please, in the MU we have whole pantheons of other gods, we have the Celestials, and we have cosmic entities like Eternity and The Living Tribunal. We do not need that christian drivel there.

It reminds me of that Avenger (Firebird, I believe) who thought that her powers was a result of divine intervention or something like that. She then found out that they were a result of a failed alien school experiment, but she still thinks that it was "god" who ultimately gave her those powers.:p

Do you realize Mike Carey is an atheist, right?

[Beast]

Do you realize Mike Carey is an atheist, right?
Which I think is pretty cool. Cause he doesn't feel the need to preach down to people who do believe. When I saw the funeral scene in the preview pages before the dialogue balloons were added, I was a bit worried. But Carey presented it truthfully and masterfully. Hell, even his Castor novels deal with faith.

[Brian M.]

Long as Carey doesn't do what Millar does and insert his beliefs into the writing, I dont' care what he believes.

[Volk1]

A lot of stuff I didn't catch the first time around. But after a second read, it was worth the price I think, especially if you've invested enough time and love in your life to the X-Men.


Nori was on the cover because it was the leaders of each squad (plus Wolveine who is the leader of capitalism), she wasn't in it because Mike Carey probably preferred Cess' voice to say what he wrote. Surge is much more angry about everything.

After re-reading, I think Nori could easily have played Mercury's role in this issue, especially when Cessily is all "I'd slap him in the face if he were still alive!" That sounds like Nori to me.

Maybe the recent events of Cessily in the Facility have made her that much more angry though...I dunno.

Good issue. I liked Logan a lot more here than in his own book. The only thing about the book that made my hackles rise was the way that priest said that everything has a meaning, and when Wolfsbane told Rictor that "everything is part of gods plan".

Please, in the MU we have whole pantheons of other gods, we have the Celestials, and we have cosmic entities like Eternity and The Living Tribunal. We do not need that christian drivel there.I disagree. Rahne's faith is part of her character. They are at a funeral exploring concepts such as life and death and the future of their freakin' existence. I would think it would feel shallow if Rahne was talking and she didn't mention anything. It's all about the character being "in-character."

The fact that she's kind of throwing it all on Juio, however, intrigues me. Here's a guy who lost his powers, he's not even a mutant anymore. What should he think about the future of mutant-kind when he's no longer a part of them? Does he really have a say now?

I think he said it best when he said the boy died with his powers intact making him whole. Julio is kinda a dead-man walking right now. I don't think anything Rahne can say will change his current outlook on life.


MADROX. Hilarious, even subtley. But like another poster said, why would Beast say that knowing full well genetic-diversity can can be had when Madrox and all his dupes can sire children with different women? That's all the diversity they need. But even that wouldn't work I guess since having a mutant baby isn't possible now (up to this point.) I just don't see, without that fact, why Madrox and his dupes couldn't possibly spread the wealth.

[Grunty]

Here is my comment to this book. Sorry a bit long.

First:
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé.
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats ?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes !

Who cares what Ultimate Cap says, a nation with such a song can't be cowards.
I hope its gonna become one of those memorable quotes of Beast.

To the book itself.
It does a great job in bringing together the overall feeling of what happend in the past year since Decimation (of those things connected to Decimation).

The comment of the boys father was really well done and in some way i think that he is right.
If the 16 Mil. mutant would still exist no one would have cared about the boy but now that he belonged to those 198 list everyone suddently cares.
If i would be the father i would have reacted in the same way. Even if all those X-men don't want to admit it or don't know it themself, the father is right, they just came to cross out a name or even a number.
However on the other hand this is a natural reaction to the current situation.

Maybe its just me but Mercurys comment kind of showed that after all she is still only a teenager and missjudges the situation.
Because of you ask me the boy did the right thing. He lived his live and didn't cared about belonging to some kind of freak minority.
Since if they would do it like Mercurys said then all remaining mutants should sit in some kind of panicroom deep inside a bunker somewhere at the butt of the world.

This all creates the ideal groundwork for Messiah complex. Since i bet the parents of that "one" mutant child will also not want to have anything to do with the endangered species thing.
Also the fact that we didn't learned what kind of mutation the boy in this book had can be also linked to Messiah complex.
Since the mutation of the child will be uninportant, maybe even if it has a mutation at all (its only power could be that it has purple eyes), only the fact that this kid will have the potential to be a mutant.
So it pretty much will be the same as with the boy in this book. No one cares about the person, they will only care about its meaning. And some will want to put it into a save place like some kind of treasur.

To other things. I more and more like the thing that Xavier can walk. I dunno why but he just looks better this way. It could be because all other powerfull telepaths nowdays can walk so why not he too?

I think for theire short moments mister Carey got the X-factor members quite well.
Madrox scene remembers me to a joke someone made some time ago about Jamie being able to repopulate a planet.

The German text during the funeral scene was from the Erlkönig just for the info.

Beast only has a smaller role in the one-shot compared to what he will have during the tie-ins, which is good. Yet Beast makes one of the best comment in this book.
It fits what the boy did. Living life as what it is, regardless what happens to mutants. Because its not important what will happen to you in the future the "here and now" is important. Thats also what makes Scotts and Logans scene good. If you know you die, go out with a bang!

All in all a great one-shot.

The only strange thing was when Wolverine saw his past lovers in the coffin and then Sabertooth?

[Hi-Fi]

Which I think is pretty cool. Cause he doesn't feel the need to preach down to people who do believe. When I saw the funeral scene in the preview pages before the dialogue balloons were added, I was a bit worried. But Carey presented it truthfully and masterfully. Hell, even his Castor novels deal with faith.
Plus it's Rahne we're talking about. It would feel weird if she DIDN'T say that stuff. Being a devoted Christian is a big part of her character.

[Pach!]

After re-reading, I think Nori could easily have played Mercury's role in this issue, especially when Cessily is all "I'd slap him in the face if he were still alive!" That sounds like Nori to me.

Maybe the recent events of Cessily in the Facility have made her that much more angry though...I dunno.

But Nori would probably slap him in the face for anything, didn't she get mad because David didn't talk to her and also when David's sister didn't like her?

I think Cess was perfect for the one to realize that they are an endangered species and to get mad at the kid for not realizing that himself.

[sephirothskiller]

..This all creates the ideal groundwork for Messiah complex. Since i bet the parents of that "one" mutant child will also not want to have anything to do with the endangered species thing...



Wow. Great post dude.

I'm wondering though, maybe the "one" mutant child is Layla?

If I remember correctly she used to be a mutant, and then she lost her powers (she looked like a demon before or something,) and now she has a completely different set of powers? Suspicious...

[Syzygy]

The one thing that got me about this issue (besides the horrible art) was Beast's explanation about genetic diversity to Jaimie.

It was wrong!!

It has already been established that the X-Gene only needs to be passed down from one parent for the kid to become a mutant, so Jamie could just "consort" with a bunch of humans and get genetic diversity from them!! The Reverend Maddox could be making a mutant as they spoke!

If mutants had to breed with other mutants it would be a different story.

Hmmmm.

Maybe mating with humans reduces the chances of producing mutant offspring...?

Otherwise, you're right, Jamie's plan would work.

Of course, they're all wrong in that mutants aren't really a separate species from humans if they can interbreed with them and produce fertile offspring, which they can....

[Faded]

After re-reading, I think Nori could easily have played Mercury's role in this issue, especially when Cessily is all "I'd slap him in the face if he were still alive!" That sounds like Nori to me.

HAAAY, you're right! That does sound more like Nori, though I think maybe it would've been harder to get Nori to cry--hence why Cessily was used. Nori is probably a lot more guarded.

[Omega Alpha]

The only strange thing was when Wolverine saw his past lovers in the coffin and then Sabertooth?

So, what's wrong? He's seen all the people he loved the most:D

[Beast]

So, what's wrong? He's seen all the people he loved the most:D
Must... resist... urge... to... post... picture. :D

[Kalen O.]

Must... resist... urge... to... post... picture. :D

Dear god, if anybody asks 'what picture' and gives him a reason to post it, I will hurt you. I'm just warning in advance.

*Shudders and grabs bottle of Lysol*


ITS STILL IN MY BRAIN!!!

[Omega Alpha]

Dear god, if anybody asks 'what picture' and gives him a reason to post it, I will hurt you. I'm just warning in advance.

*Shudders and grabs bottle of Lysol*


ITS STILL IN MY BRAIN!!!

And i'm KILLING anyone that asks him to post that picture. Which is a crime against humanity. PLEASE, DON'T ASK HIM!

[sephirothskiller]

But I'm curious now?

[Kalen O.]

But I'm curious now?

Well don't say we didn't warn you.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But I'm curious now?

Same here. :eek:

[Pach!]

You should just always assume Kalen is right. Please.. I don't need to see that picture again.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Trust me on this one, I'm rather certain I'll wish to have never seen it.

But at the same time, I get this feeling I'll be howling in laughter.

[Kalen O.]

You should just always assume Kalen is right. Please.. I don't need to see that picture again.

Aww shucks!

But yeah. Imagine an oddly effeminate Sabretooth and an oddly affectionate Wolverine. And run in fear.

I mean, I know Jake has his Iceman and Beast pictures and there's that Anole/Indra pic that makes the rounds every month or two, but there are just some pairings that break your brain.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Aww shucks!

But yeah. Imagine an oddly effeminate Sabretooth and an oddly affectionate Wolverine. And run in fear.

Wait, *Creed* is the catcher??? That's just too funny.

[Omega Alpha]

Please, i BEG you, just listen to us and don't ask for that picture:(

[Kalen O.]

Wait, *Creed* is the catcher??? That's just too funny.

Umm....no? Effeminate as in he doesn't look like a two hundred plus pound man-beast. Not as in guys who catch are by nature effeminate. Duh.

Anyways, bored now, and it really isn't as big a deal as we've turned it into, lol. He might as well go ahead and get it over with now, but again, don't say I didn't warn you. The image haunts you. *Nods*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Umm....no? Effeminate as in he doesn't look like a two hundred plus pound man-beast. Not as in guys who catch are by nature effeminate. Duh.

Just how it sounded with the specific wording. *shrugs*

Anyways, bored now, and it really isn't as big a deal as we've turned it into, lol. He might as well go ahead and get it over with now, but again, don't say I didn't warn you. The image haunts you. *Nods*

I'll keep it in mind. And yet won't be able to look away if the blasted thing is posted. Oh well.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, and regarding the actual thread.

Got the thing today. Good read. Nice to see Mike going for something sober and pull it off.

And, seriously, Shaw giving Chuck the indignant speech?? Now, I totally believe Shaw would *say* it, but, damn... Is this guy for real? :D

[Beast]

How about I just link to it, and not put it in the thread. Since Darth Cyclops wants to see. Savvy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/LoganCreed.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good God.

I'll be laughing about this for a week.

[jester1436]

That's not Creed. That's Emma pre-op.

*rimshot*

Creed looks like he's chewing Wolvie's chin off.

[Dagger]

How about I just link to it, and not put it in the thread. Since Darth Cyclops wants to see. Savvy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/LoganCreed.jpg
:eek: That's the most heinous thing I've ever seen...and yes, that's including the guy who's intestinal track shot out of his butthole on rotten.com:p

[frog]

You can't say you weren't warned you'd need the brain bleach . . . :eek:

[jmc247]

How about I just link to it, and not put it in the thread. Since Darth Cyclops wants to see. Savvy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/LoganCreed.jpg

Wolverine Origions 20, Wolverine learns what the evil of tequila leads to.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, come on, it's not that bad. Not exactly in the same league as that thingy with him, Cyke and those two other guys in that bath tub. :D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Just got it yesterday. Nothing really happened but the interaction with Xavier and Sebastian Shaw stole the show. I'm still happy that Beast will get the focus in the 17 part story even though I would prefer he had his own look back. It's going to be fun to see him interact with Doom, Dark Beast, Sinister, and Magneto

[steve2275]

On top of Kitty

probly
that cant be the only the only thing he is worth now
then again he and katya would have great beautiful :cool: mutant kids

[Jottma]

I'm sorry for asking this, if it is a stupid question, but what does the picture of Scott, Logan, Kurt, Sam, Bobby, and Hank charging off to battle with thier uniforms on have to do with this issue?

[UncannyAsianGirl]

My guess is, that this issue takes place post "Blinded by the Light", which is the next arc of Adjectiveless X-Men. In the solicits, it says that Bobby and Sam arrive at the X-Mansion in issue #202 to help hold off the invading Marauders. That would explain their presence at the funeral, and the absence of Rogue, who's probably been driven insane by this point.

So, the scene with Bobby and Sam rushing off into battle with the Astonishing team is probably the final push to drive the Marauders away from the Mansion.

Not quite sure when "Endangered Species" takes place according to the other titles though, perhaps I'll ask that for the next X-Position?

[moebius]

I'm sort of skipping to the end of the thread here, but I wanted to point out that I think the science in the Beast/Madrox conversation (particularly Beast's reasoning) was flawed. Here's why:

-Mutants could be bred by two normal humans with recessive X-Genes (for example, the Summers family). Presumably, this recessive gene was wiped out by Wanda.
-Mutants can still cross-breed with humans.
-Non-Mutant Altered Humans seem to be capable of having Mutant children (see the Richards family).

Aren't there a sufficient number of Altered Humans, Mutants and Humans (obviously) to try and re-introduce the X-Gene back into the population? Obviously, it wouldn't work if superhumans or Mutants only bred within their community, but they could pass their genes on to a sufficient number of humans that, in a few generations, two humans with recessive genes (descended in part from superhumans and mutants) could return to breeding Mutants.

Or maybe this makes too much sense?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm sorry for asking this, if it is a stupid question, but what does the picture of Scott, Logan, Kurt, Sam, Bobby, and Hank charging off to battle with thier uniforms on have to do with this issue?

Nothing. Just looked good for the previews.

Well, sure, there's the whole "heroics/fight" theme, but, really, we all know it really was for the preview thingy. The Cyke/Wolvie conversation did convey the theme rather adequatly.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

My guess is, that this issue takes place post "Blinded by the Light", which is the next arc of Adjectiveless X-Men. In the solicits, it says that Bobby and Sam arrive at the X-Mansion in issue #202 to help hold off the invading Marauders. That would explain their presence at the funeral, and the absence of Rogue, who's probably been driven insane by this point.

So, the scene with Bobby and Sam rushing off into battle with the Astonishing team is probably the final push to drive the Marauders away from the Mansion.

Nah, would be too big of a spoiler. That, and I get this feeling most of the AXM crew will get owned real bad in Blinded By Light.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

My guess is, that this issue takes place post "Blinded by the Light", which is the next arc of Adjectiveless X-Men. In the solicits, it says that Bobby and Sam arrive at the X-Mansion in issue #202 to help hold off the invading Marauders. That would explain their presence at the funeral, and the absence of Rogue, who's probably been driven insane by this point.

So, the scene with Bobby and Sam rushing off into battle with the Astonishing team is probably the final push to drive the Marauders away from the Mansion.

Not quite sure when "Endangered Species" takes place according to the other titles though, perhaps I'll ask that for the next X-Position?

Mercury and Laura were the only New Xmen at the Funeral same for Rahne and Rictor....doesnt mean anything other than they were reps for their respective teams

this was a PRELUDE meaning BEFORE the story...it wasn't post.

[creaky]

How about I just link to it, and not put it in the thread. Since Darth Cyclops wants to see. Savvy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/LoganCreed.jpg

*wolf whistles*
I am, however, deeply disturbed that Master Splinter is involved.

(Also, Logan is totally cheating on Kurt. Jerk.)

[bulbasteve]

So why is Xavier eavesdropping on X-Men like Kurt? He's not looking for enemies, he's just being a nosy jerk.

Well it is kinda odd that he was reciting Goethe and not saying a prayer....

[Omega Alpha]

By the way, no one noticed that in one or two panels (like in the one right after Scott and Emma have a psychic talk) Emma has on her finger what seems to be a wedding ring?

[Will.S]

This was a great introspective look at mutants facing death.

It didn't need to have a whole lot of action for it to be interesting since we're seeing all the big name mutant teams interact and grieve in their own ways which is a natural and realistic portrayal of how death can affect people. I've felt that the X-Men are usually really well portrayed at funerals such as the one for Illyana and Joseph. The Cyclops/Wolverine talk, Xavier/Sebastian Shaw and Kitty's speech were particularly moving and nicely done.

I'm wondering what the heck was going on with the lightning in the clouds though, it seems like there's some activity going on there that could be some sort of sign of mutants possibly getting that spark of reproduction again. Eaton's art didn't bother me in the slightest, especially with Frank D's colors.

All in all, it's a good "calm before the storm" type of issue before the big showdowns and upcoming events in the X-books.

9/10

[Hi-Fi]

I don't think that was Kitty, Will.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

especially since she's dead

[Will.S]

I don't think that was Kitty, Will.
Hmm, for some reason I thought that was her but I did notice the collar and didn't put two and two together.

especially since she's dead
Eh?

Is this the assumption of the characters returning from Astonishing or is she really confirmed dead?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

god willing she's really dead

[Beast]

This is supposed to be Pre-Torn and Pre-Unstoppable.

And no, Kitty's not confirmed dead. Signs point to Emma.

Who hasn't been mentioned in regard to the crossover at all.

[Faded]

This is supposed to be Pre-Torn and Pre-Unstoppable.

And no, Kitty's not confirmed dead. Signs point to Emma.

Who hasn't been mentioned in regard to the crossover at all.

Neither has Kitty.

[jarrod]

Neither has Kitty.
True, I wonder if we won't see both left behind in the Breakworld... could make their eventual escape, needing to rely on each other, a compelling story.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This is supposed to be Pre-Torn and Pre-Unstoppable.

Not just supposed. Editors said AXM would be inserted right before the crossover.


And no, Kitty's not confirmed dead. Signs point to Emma.

Towards both, actually.

Kitty: Pulling a gun on Emma, f***ing Pete, pre-AXM limbo status, sneaky suspicious Joss doesn't want anyone to ever touch her and her not bringing *ANYTHING* to the table for the crossover.

Emma: A 'redemption in death' scenario in AXM, Scott dropping the L-bomb, Danger standing right behind her. That, and editors/writers keep talking of Cyke, but no mention of Emma. :eek:

[jester1436]

I'd rather they whack Emma. Kitty FTW.

[jarrod]

We're not sure if anyone's going to actually die though... they just don't come back. And I wouldn't be shocked if it was more than one character (though all the boys are confirmed safe).

[jester1436]

We're not sure if anyone's going to actually die though... they just don't come back. And I wouldn't be shocked if it was more than one character (though all the boys are confirmed safe).


Whedon's obviously setting up Claremont and Billy Tucci's upcoming project "Lesbian Space Warriors-X" starring Emma, Kitty, and Armor.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

We're not sure if anyone's going to actually die though... they just don't come back. And I wouldn't be shocked if it was more than one character (though all the boys are confirmed safe).

Whedon kept going on and on about how it couldn't be retconned.

Just not coming back doesn't quite qualify.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Whedon's obviously setting up Claremont and Billy Tucci's upcoming project "Lesbian Space Warriors-X" starring Emma, Kitty, and Armor.

Funny. :D

Although a bit disturbing due to the jailbait angle, but it's never been a problem for CC. :eek:

*Glares at Kitty and ponders on the irony for the longest time*

[jarrod]

Whedon kept going on and on about how it couldn't be retconned.

Just not coming back doesn't quite qualify.
I dunno, seemed more to me he just got assurances it *wouldn't* be retconned right away (like what happened with half of Morrison's concepts off the bat). Death can be retconned too though, anything can really.

[sephirothskiller]

Whedon kept going on and on about how it couldn't be retconned.

Just not coming back doesn't quite qualify.

If Whedon thinks that he's so important that whatever he does can't be retconned, he has another thing coming. Guess what Joss? The Scarlet Witch is alive and eventually she'll probably get her powers back. The Celestials control everything. The Pheonix can do anything. And a writer can insert a new "this is what really happened" whenever they want.

I don't think Whedon will kill Kitty (OMG, they killed Kitty!) because he's a bit of a shadowcat fanboy...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I don't think Whedon will kill Kitty (OMG, they killed Kitty!) because he's a bit of a shadowcat fanboy...

Yeah, but I *did* say he'd probably like to be the last one to write her.

Let us think of how went the pitch of Unstoppable.


Joss: So, I'd really really like to kill someone during that last arc.

Editors:... We're listening.

Joss: I'll crack the Wolvie joke just to get it out of the w...

Editors: No.

Joss: How about Cyclops?

Editors: No.

Joss: Hank?

Editors: No.

Joss: Humm... Pete?

Editors: Nuh-huh.

Joss: Emma?

Editors: Maybe.

Joss: Huh, should've seen that one coming. Which pretty much leaves only...

Editors: Kitty.

Joss: I haven't even suggested yet...

Editors: Kitty.

Joss: *Sigh* Can I at least make the most out of her and give an uber glorious death?

Editors: Sure. About a tenth of what you originally had in mind, though.

Joss: Oh well.

[Will.S]

I dunno, you can only stretch continuity so much to make room for Whedon's stuff. That's the only thing I find really irritating about it since on one hand it's good that it's so stand alone but on the other with the delays and stuff it becomes a hard title to keep a track of continuity wise.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I dunno, you can only stretch continuity so much to make room for Whedon's stuff. That's the only thing I find really irritating about it since on one hand it's good that it's so stand alone but on the other with the delays and stuff it becomes a hard title to keep a track of continuity wise.

To be honest, I really don't know what the big deal is.

Torn lasted for hours. Unstoppable, so far, what, maybe 12-15??

*Maybe* we've had close to 24 hours so far.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

To be honest, I really don't know what the big deal is.

Torn lasted for hours. Unstoppable, so far, what, maybe 12-15??

*Maybe* we've had close to 24 hours so far.

so when they kill kitty she'll have died within 24 hrs of joining a team?....that's some sorta record

[Faded]

True, I wonder if we won't see both left behind in the Breakworld... could make their eventual escape, needing to rely on each other, a compelling story.

LOL, honestly it would be.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

so when they kill kitty she'll have died within 24 hrs of joining a team?....that's some sorta record

No, I said Torn/Unstoppable *might* have covered 24 hours so far. ;)

As far as we know, there were quite a few weeks between Danger & Torn.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

No, I said Torn/Unstoppable *might* have covered 24 hours so far. ;)

As far as we know, there were quite a few weeks between Danger & Torn.

I think kitty's gonna have the same problem that Invisible woman had in the new F4 movie :)

[Omega Alpha]

Whedon kept going on and on about how it couldn't be retconned.

Just not coming back doesn't quite qualify.

It's irrelevant what he says. After he finishes Astonishing and his 6 Runaways issues, he's not at Marvel anymore, so why would they care? Or even if he still is.

And of course that the character to die in Astonishing will be Hisako.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think kitty's gonna have the same problem that Invisible woman had in the new F4 movie :)

Which would be?

Haven't seen it and don't plan to. Well, in theaters anyway.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's irrelevant what he says. After he finishes Astonishing and his 6 Runaways issues, he's not at Marvel anymore, so why would they care? Or even if he still is.

My point was that someone merely not coming back rather than dying would seem lackluster after all the hype. And waaaaayyyyy too easy to retcon in about five seconds.

And of course that the character to die in Astonishing will be Hisako.
Blindfold told Hisako that they were going to lose another one...

[xarathos]

I still say Beast looks like the family dog of the X-men now. Old blue was the way he should be.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Which would be?

Haven't seen it and don't plan to. Well, in theaters anyway.

well kitty's been having problems phasing through the metal on Ord's homeworld maybe she goes to use her powers and oops doesnt work

[Omega Alpha]

Blindfold told Hisako that they were going to lose another one...

Which might be Hisako herself. Who is an X-man now.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Which might be Hisako herself. Who is an X-man now.

Whoever's right gets an 'I told you so' once #24 (or the annual, whatever)hits the stands. Deal? :D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

But she's with Wolverine he wont let anything happen to her...kitty's the one that's with the guy everyone on Breakworld wants to kill

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Whoever's right gets an 'I told you so' once #24 (or the annual, whatever)hits the stands. Deal? :D

Oh i totally plan to do that when the "woman in white" on the xmen 200 cover turns out NOT to be emma

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

well kitty's been having problems phasing through the metal on Ord's homeworld maybe she goes to use her powers and oops doesnt work

*Wonders if those spears thingies are made of that very same metal.*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh i totally plan to do that when the "woman in white" on the xmen 200 cover turns out NOT to be emma

Still think it's her and a lame temporary possession scenario. ;)

Oh, and how about a high five if Kitty rather than Emma croaks in AXM? :D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Still think it's her and a lame temporary possession scenario. ;)

Oh, and how about a high five if Kitty rather than Emma croaks in AXM? :D

ok :)

what spear thingys are you talking about?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

ok :)

what spear thingys are you talking about?

In the powerlord's throne room (or war room, whatever) in #19, the dead guy was impaled on one of those.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

oooooooo more than likely

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Been thinking since #19 those spears would have something to do with someone's demise, actually.

Either Whedon went for campy or was dropping hints.

And yes, I'm still laughing at the POWERLORD thingy. Intentional cheese at its best.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

well if you think about it kitty has been complaining about the strange metal since she found colossus and she's been a central focus

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

1 - The main bad guy is shown offing someone with a phallic symbol.
2 - Kitty's having trouble phasing trouble metal.
3 - Kitty f**ks Peter (refer to #1)

Coincidence? I think not.

[jester1436]

A high five when Kitty "croaks"?

You Emma fans make me dislike Emma more than Emma possibly could. :mad:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

i hope colossus moves on with someone new...i dont doubt his love for kitty but i'm not sure if she's HIS soulmate it always felt like she had this huge crush on him and yes he loved her but that maybe his greatest relationship was yet to happen (Psylocke maybe ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

A high five when Kitty "croaks"?

You Emma fans make me dislike Emma more than Emma possibly could. :mad:

Well, as far as I'm concerned, I just like every other AXM character better than Kitty. Not a direct correlation with my liking of Emma, really.

Seriously, having to deal with Whedon's crush only to have SOMEONE ELSE die?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

A high five when Kitty "croaks"?

You Emma fans make me dislike Emma more than Emma possibly could. :mad:

Exactly how is our dislike for Kitty connected to Emma? This has NOTHING to do with Emma we didnt say "oh kitty says bad things about Emma she should die"

I've NEVER liked her character all she does is whine and complain. She's immature and brings down colossus as a character.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I've NEVER liked her character all she does is whine and complain.

*having flashbacks of 'Prof X is a jerk!!!'*

Cause not sending 13 years old into battle is wrong.

She's immature and brings down colossus as a character.

My biggest gripe would be about the character's premise being a marketing ploy from day one. But at least, I can laugh at the fact that there hasn't been much point to the character ever since other teens started showing up. :D

Seriously, a glorious death and a viking funeral would be the best thing that could happen to the character.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

what'd be REALLY tragic is if they couldnt even bury her like she dies and then goes all ghost like and no one can touch her

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Can that even happen??

Somehow I get this feeling #24's cover will be about Pete holding Kitty ala Scott/Jean.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

well apparently her "natural" state is being phased.....if colossus really was destined to destroy the breakworld...that would be the one thing to make him go through with it

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

well apparently her "natural" state is being phased.....
Wasn't it retconned?

if colossus really was destined to destroy the breakworld...that would be the one thing to make him go through with it
No one's destroying anything.

Bashing Powerlords' faces in, yes. Destroying worlds, no.

And on that note, I'm outta here. Take it easy.

[Chase]

Eh, the first issue is a bore. Tho, the dialogue between Emma and Scott, Beast and Madrox, and getting to see Mr. Shaw (a favorite of mine; Hellfire Club <333) were all entertaining moments. But yes, it was a pretty uninformative first issue.

And at least Scott got in a Pinocchio joke.

[goldenarms]

I agree ES #1 was a utter waste of $4. Heck even the character moments were completly flat, because they treaded over old terroritory. This has been what the 100th time that Wolvie and Cyke have had a heart to heart.:rolleyes: Atleast be original and substitute one of those characters for a lesser used one. It also seems that this story will follow marvels new status quo of having a unresolved story tie into yet another unresolved mini or crossover. ad nausem:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Affinity]

LOL so it took me forever to get the issue after showing up too early on Tuesday.

FIRST OF ALL I liked the story! I really did. Maybe I was a little disappointed though, and really don't remember that it was going to be a downtime issue rather than one without action. But I should have figured, and in retrospect it's fine and it makes sense.

I really really really don't like the art! At all! Kinda sorta I guess but in the end not really. It's pretty to look at for a moment and then D'armata's fancy colors just smother you. ASPHYXIATION FTW??? It's too shiny and it screws with Eaton's mediocre art. Like, it has the potential to be good, but its just being very underwhelming. Some shots were GREAT but then I ended up relying on the DIALOGUE more than the ART to figure out who it was that was speaking. Ie. not good.

Bishop looks very pretty boy R&B singer looking! Like Tyson Beckford or Tyrese or something.

Poor Cessily. I don't know how to feel because the reaction seem retarded but heartfelt! HE DIINIT HAVE NO BINNIS WALKN UNDER NO TRUCK!!! You preach it, gurl. SuprLOL at X-23 just being mad bored.

Sebastian Shaw is suprcool now! I like him a lot as a character. See what good writing does?! Great things. I really like how he's one of those characters that you recognize immediately, and he doesn't have a mask or anything. Just that oh so defining facial hair. Wish he looked a little older, maybe? Because he used to look horrifying and brutal way back when, with his shirt off and hitting peoples hard.

I do NOT get why he'd pull his thugs on Xavier. How is he going to be like MAN WHY U SO TENSE and then his henchmen are pulling out knives and energy blasters. He had a point with Charles though lol. MY THOUGHTS ARE MYOWN DUHHHH HURR HURR.

"Give my regards to Emma." Lolololol I actually forgot. Wow. That's a strong line!

Jamie making the clones reminded me of that issue where both Siryn and Monet are like <3 that same morning. LOL.

I don't know what the marseillaise is (OH ANN NICHOLS, HOW I MISS YOUR ANNOTATED SUMMARIES) but BEAST R U GONNA DIE??

For the record, Cyclops looks RETARDED with those eyes like that. I liked the pupils shooting out the beams, not that entire eyeball. Makes him looks like Toad or something lame. Also I didn't get the shooting into the sky art! It looks dumb! Did he HIT something? Did it just disperse randomly? Am I complaining about Jimmy's freckles?

Logan is cool of a suddens. ;_;

And then the last sequence just confuses me. WHAT? BRRRUKOOOOOM. Okay. Once I scan the issue I will outline what looks like a silhouette to me! On the third panel of the BRKOOOM page. Looks like a guy clinging on a ROCK but I am probably insane. And then with the sun? It was just a dumb closing sequence IMO.

I'll have to pick up X-Factor to stay abreast of the situation but whatever, I've been wanting to catch up anyway.

[Beast]

I don't know what the marseillaise is (OH ANN NICHOLS, HOW I MISS YOUR ANNOTATED SUMMARIES) but BEAST R U GONNA DIE??
The more you know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseillaise

[Omega Alpha]

Everytime someone mentions the Marseillaise i remember that wonderful scene in Casablanca. Which was inspired by another great one in La Grand Illusion.:)

[Faded]

I just remembered--weren't there preview pages of Emma in some kind of woogie red background for this issue? Or was that for something else.

SUSPECT.

LOL so it took me forever to get the issue after showing up too early on Tuesday.

FIRST OF ALL I liked the story! I really did. Maybe I was a little disappointed though, and really don't remember that it was going to be a downtime issue rather than one without action. But I should have figured, and in retrospect it's fine and it makes sense.

I really really really don't like the art! At all! Kinda sorta I guess but in the end not really. It's pretty to look at for a moment and then D'armata's fancy colors just smother you. ASPHYXIATION FTW??? It's too shiny and it screws with Eaton's mediocre art. Like, it has the potential to be good, but its just being very underwhelming. Some shots were GREAT but then I ended up relying on the DIALOGUE more than the ART to figure out who it was that was speaking. Ie. not good.

Bishop looks very pretty boy R&B singer looking! Like Tyson Beckford or Tyrese or something.

Poor Cessily. I don't know how to feel because the reaction seem retarded but heartfelt! HE DIINIT HAVE NO BINNIS WALKN UNDER NO TRUCK!!! You preach it, gurl. SuprLOL at X-23 just being mad bored.

Sebastian Shaw is suprcool now! I like him a lot as a character. See what good writing does?! Great things. I really like how he's one of those characters that you recognize immediately, and he doesn't have a mask or anything. Just that oh so defining facial hair. Wish he looked a little older, maybe? Because he used to look horrifying and brutal way back when, with his shirt off and hitting peoples hard.

I do NOT get why he'd pull his thugs on Xavier. How is he going to be like MAN WHY U SO TENSE and then his henchmen are pulling out knives and energy blasters. He had a point with Charles though lol. MY THOUGHTS ARE MYOWN DUHHHH HURR HURR.

"Give my regards to Emma." Lolololol I actually forgot. Wow. That's a strong line!

Jamie making the clones reminded me of that issue where both Siryn and Monet are like <3 that same morning. LOL.

I don't know what the marseillaise is (OH ANN NICHOLS, HOW I MISS YOUR ANNOTATED SUMMARIES) but BEAST R U GONNA DIE??

For the record, Cyclops looks RETARDED with those eyes like that. I liked the pupils shooting out the beams, not that entire eyeball. Makes him looks like Toad or something lame. Also I didn't get the shooting into the sky art! It looks dumb! Did he HIT something? Did it just disperse randomly? Am I complaining about Jimmy's freckles?

Logan is cool of a suddens. ;_;

And then the last sequence just confuses me. WHAT? BRRRUKOOOOOM. Okay. Once I scan the issue I will outline what looks like a silhouette to me! On the third panel of the BRKOOOM page. Looks like a guy clinging on a ROCK but I am probably insane. And then with the sun? It was just a dumb closing sequence IMO.

I'll have to pick up X-Factor to stay abreast of the situation but whatever, I've been wanting to catch up anyway.

LOL!!! Pick up your comics on time, foo~. You gotta start a review thread one of these days.

Pick up X-Factor, behbeh! It needs your sales!

[1WEBHEAD]

I thought it was great.

Art wise it was meh.

A good start to ES and The Messiah Complex IMO.

[Siddon]

My opinions of this issue and the future of the X-men

Sam - okay it pissed me off the most about Sam, Sam has always been about legacy and the future. He's a Gunthrie, he's the next great leader, everyone in his family becomes a mutant. And he goes after Bishop? WTF you where on a team with Cable who knows the weight of your morning bowel movement because he was so into you.

moving on

It was a quiet issue, which is nice but it really makes 200 a make it or break it type point. All the exposition is out of the way, the story seems to not have much room to go.

This is clearly the Kill Bill 2 and 200 needs to be the Kill Bill 1 or it will just be as good as Death Proof

[Omega Alpha]

My opinions of this issue and the future of the X-men

Sam - okay it pissed me off the most about Sam, Sam has always been about legacy and the future. He's a Gunthrie, he's the next great leader, everyone in his family becomes a mutant. And he goes after Bishop? WTF you where on a team with Cable who knows the weight of your morning bowel movement because he was so into you.


Was Cable there? And he probably did talked to Cable already.

[Canemacar]

Everytime someone mentions the Marseillaise i remember that wonderful scene in Casablanca. Which was inspired by another great one in La Grand Illusion.:)

Thats precisely what my mind jumped to when I read that.



I need to go watch Casablanca again.

[Siddon]

Was Cable there? And he probably did talked to Cable already.

What I am saying is that it was a poor decision to have it be Sam and Bishop. When you look at the other pairings (Logan and Scott rivals, Madrox and Beast scientist and assitant, Rahne and Rictor longtime former friends mutant and exmutant, and Shaw and Xavier bitter enemies) You have the great pairings. Sam and Bishop was such a poor choice and really out of character for both of them. Now if it was a new x-men and Bishop I don't think I would have had a problem with the scene.

[Hi-Fi]

What I am saying is that it was a poor decision to have it be Sam and Bishop. When you look at the other pairings (Logan and Scott rivals, Madrox and Beast scientist and assitant, Rahne and Rictor longtime former friends mutant and exmutant, and Shaw and Xavier bitter enemies) You have the great pairings. Sam and Bishop was such a poor choice and really out of character for both of them. Now if it was a new x-men and Bishop I don't think I would have had a problem with the scene.
Er... how is out of character of Bishop to be questioned about his future? And I don't see any problem at all with Sam being the one doing the questioning.

[Beast]

Er... how is out of character of Bishop to be questioned about the his future? And I don't see any problem at all with Sam being the one doing the questioning.
Especially if they end up together in X-Force post crossover. ;)

[steve2275]

Can that even happen??

Somehow I get this feeling #24's cover will be about Pete holding Kitty ala Scott/Jean.
or ala superman/supergirl
but with rage rather than tears

[xmanson]

It took me 4 days to finish this. Boring as hell.

Hopefully, the back ups and crossover will do better.

[Affinity]

The more you know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseillaise

Ah, thank you. What a very Beast thing to say.

LOL!!! Pick up your comics on time, foo~. You gotta start a review thread one of these days.

Pick up X-Factor, behbeh! It needs your sales!

XMEN 200 MAYBES??? Hopefully!

And OTAY about X-Factor because I do miss Layla. Is the first ES tie in the start of a new arc?

Er... how is out of character of Bishop to be questioned about his future? And I don't see any problem at all with Sam being the one doing the questioning.

Right? Weren't they on Uncanny together for a while, and then that XSE plot, too?

It took me 4 days to finish this. Boring as hell.

It took me 4 days to GET it lololol. And then all day to read it because I had lost it, you see. Annoying as hell. I was like O NOEZZZ gots to buy it AGAIN. And then I found it rolled up by the BBQ grill.

[Mystique25]

Ah, thank you. What a very Beast thing to say.





Right? Weren't they on Uncanny together for a while, and then that XSE plot, too?




Yeah they were, they were on the same team in Uncanny X-men, off and on, between issues 444-474, and they were also together during X-treme X-men issues 24-46.

[Flight]

UGH.

I read through this