CBR NEWS: Full "Endangered Species" Creative Teams Announced

[Jonah Weiland]

The full list of creative teams for Marvel's "Endangered Species" has been announced and we've got the talent line-up for ya.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10945

[Beast]

I'm glad that most of them ended up being written by Mike Carey.

Plus with his plot outline, I'm sure that Yost and Gage will really deliver. :)

[Red Lotus]

I'm glad that most of them ended up being written by Mike Carey.

Plus with his plot outline, I'm sure that Yost and Gage will really deliver. :)


I'm glad none of them is written by Bru.

[Frank]

Man Perkins, Bagley and Eaton would be great on the main X-books!

[frog]

Whee! Something to look forward to each week.

[Christopher O]

Man Perkins, Bagley and Eaton would be great on the main X-books!

I love Perkins, but Bagley and Eaton are reasons to drop a book for me. I can't stand the work of either.

[Brian M.]

Bagley is awesome!!! Perkins is just gonna be awesome. Great news. Christo Gage is writing more and more X-Men...

[Michael P]

I love Perkins, but Bagley and Eaton are reasons to drop a book for me. I can't stand the work of either.

Well, these will just be short backups; the main stories will still be by the regular creative teams.

I wonder how Bagley will interpret the kitty Beast.

[Jake V]

It'll be really cool to see how Bagley does the characters involved. I wonder if Spider-Man will make an appearance.

[Christopher O]

Well, these will just be short backups; the main stories will still be by the regular creative teams.
Oh, I know. I was responding to the suggestion of them being put on the monthlies as regular artists.

[MatthewDiCarlo]

Gee,

how can you make this event better?

How can you make me more excited?

Oh, I don't know..

Maybe a HUGE HEAPING of CHRISTOS GAGE?

[Faded]

CAREY AND PERKINS REUNITED!

I agree with Chris though, I could drop a book over Eaton and Bagley at this point. Since they're only 8-pages they should've gotten, for at least a few back-ups, a few slow but high profile artists.

[comicfoil]

Is NEW X-MEN any good? I buy Uncanny and X-Men every month and have been waiting for the trade with X-Factor. But I've never read a single issue of New X-Men and don't even know who any of the characters are.

[Omega Alpha]

Bagley is working on it? Cool! I like Perkins too, not Eaton though, but i can stand him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm glad none of them is written by Bru.

Amen to that.

[BizarroBeachHead]

So I'm expected to buy 12 extra comics just for the 8 page back up stories for this so called crossover.

Is this a joke?

[dotdotdot]

So I'm expected to buy 12 extra comics just for the 8 page back up stories for this so called crossover.

Is this a joke?

just buy the books you'd normally buy. download a book or two just to read the 8 pg backup. nothing to bitch about.

[jester1436]

So I'm expected to buy 12 extra comics just for the 8 page back up stories for this so called crossover.

Is this a joke?

Oh no, Marvel, a company interested in making money, wants you to buy more of their books. That silly Marvel!

Read what you want to read. You're the one who decides what's necessary for you.

[DasPoppen]

Is NEW X-MEN any good? I buy Uncanny and X-Men every month and have been waiting for the trade with X-Factor. But I've never read a single issue of New X-Men and don't even know who any of the characters are.

I just started reading with #37 - the prelude to the Quest for Magic arc. So far I like it a lot, especially Skottie Young's art! Overall, highly recommended.

I didn't know any of the characters besides X-23 and Dust but it did not distract form the story. And a quick read at wikipedia should get you up to speed.

[BizarroBeachHead]

Oh no, Marvel, a company interested in making money, wants you to buy more of their books. That silly Marvel!

Read what you want to read. You're the one who decides what's necessary for you.

Seriously? That's you're response?


I understand that Marvel is a business. I don't think I was disputing that.

In this case, I do think it's pretty stupid to spread the story out as 8 page back ups in 4 different books across 17 issues.

I enjoy Carey's X-Men and was interested in this story. I was ready to buy extra comics for a crossover, but I won't be buying any extra comics just for eight page chapters.

So yeah, in this case I will just be buying what I normally buy, and will probably read the rest in the store, which is disappointing. I was hoping Marvel would start getting the X-Men back on track, but this news leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Looking good.

Particularly interested by the pairing of Carey and Bagley. Interesting.

[Beast]

just buy the books you'd normally buy. download a book or two just to read the 8 pg backup. nothing to bitch about.
You know, that's illegal. Probably best to not be suggesting that publically.

[streator]

bagley and perkins sounds cool, eaton not so much.

[streator]

I just started reading with #37 - the prelude to the Quest for Magic arc. So far I like it a lot, especially Skottie Young's art! Overall, highly recommended.

that's what i'm planning on doing. i already read the other three books besides new x-men.

[jarrod]

Bagley's a bit surprising... maybe being groomed for Astonishing V2? Not really my cup o tea, but we could certainly do worse.


And I have to counter the sentiments about Eaton, I've really been surprised at how good he he is and how quickly he's been improving. Like a young Hitch or Hairsine, only he can keep a monthly schedule.... a name to really watch imo.

[dotdotdot]

You know, that's illegal. Probably best to not be suggesting that publically.

it also helps the industry. deal with it.

[Omega Alpha]

Bagley's a bit surprising... maybe being groomed for Astonishing V2? Not really my cup o tea, but we could certainly do worse.


Bagley in Astonishing would be perfect. Not only we would have a great artist, but the delays problem would be over.

[rwsmith]

So I'm expected to buy 12 extra comics just for the 8 page back up stories for this so called crossover.

Is this a joke?

Well, you don't have to read them all. I'm sure you could come here and get summaries for the episodes that you miss. Currently, of the four titles involved, I only read Uncanny and adjectiveless. I'm still on the fence as to whether I'm going to pick up X-Factor and New X-men or not, but I don't begrudge Marvel for trying to get me to pick them up. They are a business, after all.

[Brian M.]

I'm sorry, how does downloading comics illegally help the industry?

[Beast]

it also helps the industry. deal with it.
Stealing product helps the industry? What bizarro world did that concept come from?

[Beast]

I'm sorry, how does downloading comics illegally help the industry?
Heh. Yeah, that's like the craziest thing I have ever read on these boards. :eek:

[rwsmith]

Bagley in Astonishing would be perfect. Not only we would have a great artist, but the delays problem would be over.

No way. Bagley is waaay too boring for a high-profile book like Astonishing.

You know who would be absolutely perfect, though? Dave Finch. Did anyone check out Fallen Son: Spider-man? The man was born to draw Wolverine!

And they could pair him up with Billy Tan, who could do fill-ins for Finch so that the series doesn't get behind. When Tan has ample time, his stuff actually looks very Finch-like to me.

Or, better yet, get Finch and Silvestri as rotating artists.:)

[Brian M.]

No way. Bagley is waaay too boring for a high-profile book like Astonishing.

You know who would be absolutely perfect, though? Dave Finch. Did anyone check out Fallen Son: Spider-man? The man was born to draw Wolverine!

And they could pair him up with Billy Tan, who could do fill-ins for Finch so that the series doesn't get behind. When Tan has ample time, his stuff actually looks very Finch-like to me.

Or, better yet, get Finch and Silvestri as rotating artists.:)


I agree but I don't think Finch can do a monthly...if he has lead time like he did w/ NA# 1-6...but we saw that caught up w/ him. Silverstri would be great, I love his Wolverine. I like folks like Tan, Silverstri, Finch on action books.

[rwsmith]

That's why I'm saying to pair him up with someone whose art is similar, like Silvestri or Tan. That way they can keep the book coming out monthly without the fill-ins being too jarring.

In the case of Silvestri and Finch, though, they would both get top-billing and just be "rotating" artists, with neither of them being dubbed the "fill-in."

Hell, put all three of them on the book and have it come out twice a month!

[Brian M.]

That's why I'm saying to pair him up with someone whose art is similar, like Silvestri or Tan. That way they can keep the book coming out monthly without the fill-ins being too jarring.

In the case of Silvestri and Finch, though, they would both get top-billing and just be "rotating" artists, with neither of them being dubbed the "fill-in."

That's be good. Finch did say he enjoyed drawing that X-Men #200 cover and would love to draw an X-Men book. Better yet, just give Finch and Tan Uncanny and let them rotate like Bachalo/Ramos do. Course Wolverine would go to Uncanny...

[dotdotdot]

are you guys serious? more exposure leads to more buying. period. the guy i was talking to would be getting to read books he would not otherwise be buying. if he really dug them, then he'd want to and end up purchasing them, getting turned on to new titles. there really isn't a large group of people who downloads comics that they would otherwise be purchasing. it's a myth. it only encourages buying.
it's the reason why the industry isn't gunning for the people who do it more. i know the big two are getting way more of my money due to this.

[Brian M.]

are you guys serious? more exposure leads to more buying. period. the guy i was talking to would be getting to read books he would not otherwise be buying. if he really dug them, then he'd want to and end up purchasing them, getting turned on to new titles. there really isn't a large group of people who downloads comics that they would otherwise be purchasing. it's a myth. it only encourages buying.
it's the reason why the industry isn't gunning for the people who do it more. i know the big two are getting way more of my money due to this.

If your getting comics you like for free...why would you start buying them? I can see your line of thought, but I don't see why a person would quit getting it for free. It's like breaking up w/ your girlfriend to pay the hooker down the street.

[dotdotdot]

If your getting comics you like for free...why would you start buying them? I can see your line of thought, but I don't see why a person would quit getting it for free. It's like breaking up w/ your girlfriend to pay the hooker down the street.

you guys don't reread your comics? and no one on earth confuses having some image files on their computer to actually owning something. everyone wants it in their hands.
seriously, this person who is satisfied with a comic they would be buying by having the files on their HD is a myth.
it's just like going to your lcs and getting to pick up and read the entire issue before you decide to buy. nothing more.

[Brian M.]

you guys don't reread your comics? and no one on earth confuses having some image files on their computer to actually owning something. everyone wants it in their hands.
seriously, this person who is satisfied with a comic they would be buying by having the files on their HD is a myth.
it's just like going to your lcs and getting to pick up and read the entire issue before you decide to buy. nothing more.

I would say that a person who is downloading there comics wouldn't really care about collecting the material in the first place, they just want to read the story and move on to next month's. Rereading it from the computer would be no different then rereading the hard copy in your hands.

[dotdotdot]

I would say that a person who is downloading there comics wouldn't really care about collecting the material in the first place, they just want to read the story and move on to next month's. Rereading it from the computer would be no different then rereading the hard copy in your hands.

you'd be absolutely wrong.
but, if that person doesn't really care about collecting, they wouldn't be buying comics if they weren't downloading. they'd just not get to be reading them either. so, i can see that it seems unfair that they get exposed to the material, but no one loses any money. you've got to see the bigger picture from the companies' perspectives.

[dotdotdot]

i mean if any one of you guys admits that they'd be ok with having issues they love on their computer instead of owning them, they'd be lying.

edit: i better get on topic.
i am psyched for these creative teams. i thought it would be just all carey, but i'm down with this plan.

[Brian M.]

i mean if any one of you guys admits that they'd be ok with having issues they love on their computer instead of owning them, they'd be lying.

I get what your saying and if you were talking about me, you'd be absolutely correct. I wouldn't want to have books like X-Factor 65-68 on my PC. But look at the music industry. I've not bought a CD in...2-3 years since I got this new downloading program. Even artist's I love I still burn their music. I'm assuming, and maybe this is where I'm wrong, that it'd be the same for comics.

[dotdotdot]

I get what your saying and if you were talking about me, you'd be absolutely correct. I wouldn't want to have books like X-Factor 65-68 on my PC. But look at the music industry. I've not bought a CD in...2-3 years since I got this new downloading program. Even artist's I love I still burn their music. I'm assuming, and maybe this is where I'm wrong, that it'd be the same for comics.

you'd be wrong. for comics you have to sit in front of your computer. it's quite different. and i'm talking about everyone, what i'm saying is that person who would prefer to sit and read these things on screen instead of owning any of them is a myth. i see your point but you can see how music differs......there's no magic comics ipod that prints out quality images on the same paper quality and staples it all together to create a simulation of the product to sit on your shelf.
the point is, if you like something enough to buy it, you'll buy it. whether or not you've gotten to read it first or not.
what this does eliminate is wasting your money. ever tried a new book or bought a trade only to hate it? yeah that's over.

[dotdotdot]

last post about this i promise:
case in point. friend of mine wasn't reading comics. through hearing me talk he started downloading some and caught up and now keeps up with what's going on every week. it's led to a bunch of trade purchases. i made you some money, marvel and dc.
you're welcome.

[rwsmith]

That's be good. Finch did say he enjoyed drawing that X-Men #200 cover and would love to draw an X-Men book. Better yet, just give Finch and Tan Uncanny and let them rotate like Bachalo/Ramos do. Course Wolverine would go to Uncanny...

I like where your head's at today, Brian.

[Brian M.]

last post about this i promise:
case in point. friend of mine wasn't reading comics. through hearing me talk he started downloading some and caught up and now keeps up with what's going on every week. it's led to a bunch of trade purchases. i made you some money, marvel and dc.
you're welcome.

Yea I see how comics and music do differ. I do see you point, it is a great medium to introduce new folks to new comics.

[Beast]

For everyone who downloads and starts to buy, I assure you there are a lot more who don't. Why do you think there's still illegal downloading of books going on. Or you can find the books online for download. If it really was like you said, most people would have switched to actually buying the issues by now. Which we know isn't the case. It's just like the movie and music industry, it's hurt by illegal downloads.

[dotdotdot]

For everyone who downloads and starts to buy, I assure you there are a lot more who don't. Why do you think there's still illegal downloading of books going on. If it really was like you said, most people would have switched to actually buying the issues by now. Which we know isn't the case. It's just like the movie and music industry, it's hurt by illegal downloads.

you don't get it. there aren't more who don't, its the entire point. those people are a myth.
exposure leads to purchases that would not otherwise be made. companies make more money. your opinion on this is quite antiquated.

[Pach!]

For everyone who downloads and starts to buy, I assure you there are a lot more who don't. Why do you think there's still illegal downloading of books going on. Or you can find the books online for download. If it really was like you said, most people would have switched to actually buying the issues by now. Which we know isn't the case. It's just like the movie and music industry, it's hurt by illegal downloads.
I don't know if it helps or hurt but its not the same as music. Reading an issue on your computer is not the same that having the issue in your hands, while music, since the ipod and such, is the same if you buy a CD or download since you would have to rip the music to your computer anyways.

[Brian M.]

I don't know if it helps or hurt but its not the same as music. Reading an issue on your computer is not the same that having the issue in your hands, while music, since the ipod and such, is the same if you buy a CD or download since you would have to rip the music to your computer anyways.

It differs yes in the music is transferable to other stuff, but it's still downloading for free something that should cost money. I'm not quite sold that the majority of people who do download will switch to purchasing once they've found something they like. Dotdotdot gave an example of a case w/ his friend, but I'm sure there are many for both sides of the discussion.

[Pach!]

It differs yes in the music is transferable to other stuff, but it's still downloading for free something that should cost money. I'm not quite sold that the majority of people who do download will switch to purchasing once they've found something they like. Dotdotdot gave an example of a case w/ his friend, but I'm sure there are many for both sides of the discussion.

Yeah I really don't know much about downloading. I was just saying that I do download music because its pretty much the same while I would never download comics because I like having comics in my hands to read them whenever I want.

[dotdotdot]

It differs yes in the music is transferable to other stuff, but it's still downloading for free something that should cost money. I'm not quite sold that the majority of people who do download will switch to purchasing once they've found something they like. Dotdotdot gave an example of a case w/ his friend, but I'm sure there are many for both sides of the discussion.

its free to go stand in your lcs and flip through or read an entire issue too. frowned upon, but legal. you'd have to find someone who was buying, who decided to switch to downloading, and was so satisfied with it they quit purchasing.
no one of you can find an example of this person. what you'll find is someone who quit comics, and reads some occasionally due to downloading. which they shouldn't. but if you take away their downloading, they still would not be purchasing. so the industry hasn't lost a cent. so the phenomenon isn't reducing purchases that would happen, it's only encouraging purchases among those who had no exposure.
the other thing is - there's always going to be appeal in going down to your lcs. taking that trip every wednesday holds special appeal to plenty of people. i don't think that's ever going to be threatened. and these people who have downloaded and been turned on to new material need a place to buy it, so the lcs gains as well. basically, there are so many amazing things going on in this medium right now that it is irresistible. expose people to it, and they well throw some of their money at it.

edit: really sorry about derailing the thread there guys. had no idea this was controversial.

[Beast]

you don't get it. there aren't more who don't, its the entire point. those people are a myth.
exposure leads to purchases that would not otherwise be made. companies make more money. your opinion on this is quite antiquated.
Considering I know a large group of people who do download and not buy, I assure you they're out there. I talk to them daily online. So scoff all you want. They offer the same tired arguments as well as many others when I tell them how they're hurting the industry. If you're enjoying something, you should pay your cash and support it. Not just steal it because you don't want to pay for it. Theft is theft, no matter how it's justified.

[dotdotdot]

Considering I know a large group of people who do download and not buy, I assure you they're out there. So scoff all you want. They offer the same tired arguments as well as many others when I tell them how they're hurting the industry. If you're enjoying something, you should pay your cash and support it. Not just steal it because you don't want to pay for it.

those people would not be buying if you took away their downloading.
no money lost.

[Brian M.]

its free to go stand in your lcs and flip through or read an entire issue too. frowned upon, but legal. you'd have to find someone who was buying, who decided to switch to downloading, and was so satisfied with it they quit purchasing.
no one of you can find an example of this person. what you'll find is someone who quit comics, and reads some occasionally due to downloading. which they shouldn't. but if you take away their downloading, they still would not be purchasing. so the industry hasn't lost a cent. so the phenomenon isn't reducing purchases that would happen, it's only encouraging purchases among those who had no exposure.
the other thing is - there's always going to be appeal in going down to your lcs. taking that trip every wednesday holds special appeal to plenty of people. i don't think that's ever going to be threatened. and these people who have downloaded and been turned on to new material need a place to buy it, so the lcs gains as well. basically, there are so many amazing things going on in this medium right now that it is irresistible. expose people to it, and they well throw some of their money at it.

edit: really sorry about derailing the thread there guys. had no idea this was controversial.

I think this is the first snark-free conversation I've had with you. I'm just happy my intelligence could hold up to the clearly superior mind like yours:evilsmile.

You are right though the internet comics are a great way to turn folks on to books. Marvel.com w/ their digital books is pretty good, regularly updated with a mix of new and old books.

[Beast]

Yeah I really don't know much about downloading. I was just saying that I do download music because its pretty much the same while I would never download comics because I like having comics in my hands to read them whenever I want.
A lot of people don't care about having hardcopies.

As long as they can read without paying, it's just fine in their book.

Why do you think DC and Marvel are looking into online versions of their books that would be cheaper than the floppies. Because not everyone cares about the feel of paper. They just want to save money.

[Beast]

those people would not be buying if you took away their downloading.
no money lost.
That doesn't exactly make it right now, does it?

[dotdotdot]

That doesn't exactly make it right now, does it?

nope. but it means it doesn't hurt the industry.

[Pach!]

A lot of people don't care about having hardcopies.

As long as they can read without paying, it's just fine in their book.

Why do you think DC and Marvel are looking into online versions of their books that would be cheaper than the floppies. Because not everyone cares about the feel of paper. They just want to save money.

And one of the main reasons it hasn't been done is because what to they do with the people that like hardcopies.

[dotdotdot]

the companies could charge for this online, the way itunes does for a song. the problem is.....with the music industry albums simply cost too much. itunes has the right idea, a dollar a song, which would put album prices at 9-15$ roughly. more people would be buying them if that was the case....but there's this bloated music industry (where quality is in the crapper across the board in the past few years) where albums still cost about 20$. so i'd hate for any similar sort of thing to happen to comics where the reduced price for a download illuminates the audience's feeling that they are paying too much in the first place.

[Beast]

nope. but it means it doesn't hurt the industry.
But it does. Because if there wasn't the option for illegal downloads, you'd either buy it or go without.

[dotdotdot]

But it does. Because if there wasn't the option for illegal downloads, you'd either buy it or go without.

reread "or go without" until you get it

[Boogie]

Though it may seem off topic now but...

I am super excited about the prospect of Carey & Bagley uniting in some X-men awesomness!

now please everyone.. carry on with your debate. Sorry to interrupt. haha. ;)

[dotdotdot]

Though it may seem off topic now but...

I am super excited about the prospect of Carey & Bagley uniting in some X-men awesomness!

now please everyone.. carry on with your debate. Sorry to interrupt. haha. ;)

bagley and beast seem to be a match made in heaven

[jarrod]

Ugh, no to Finch/Tan plz... they're like the unholy love children of McFarlane and Liefield, complete with terrible perspective, anatomy and chickenscrach detailing. Just awful stuff really, though after seeing some of Tan's pencils, I think a lot of blame may lie with Miki's inks there.

Silvestri however, is always welcome. I'm stilling pulling for Copiel on Astonishing myself though.

[Faded]

No way. Bagley is waaay too boring for a high-profile book like Astonishing.

You know who would be absolutely perfect, though? Dave Finch. Did anyone check out Fallen Son: Spider-man? The man was born to draw Wolverine!

And they could pair him up with Billy Tan, who could do fill-ins for Finch so that the series doesn't get behind. When Tan has ample time, his stuff actually looks very Finch-like to me.

Or, better yet, get Finch and Silvestri as rotating artists.:)

Based on the X-Men 200 cover, I think he draws a great Wolverine, Sabretooth, Beast, and other "rraawwr" characters, but most of the others--especially his females--were rather unappealing to me. Maybe he can draw Wolverine?

Astonishing needs Gene Ha or Coipel or Alphona or McNiven or, or...Skottie Young! The story can be complete crap, but with any of those artists I think I would buy regaaaardless.

[frog]

Based on the X-Men 200 cover, I think he draws a great Wolverine, Sabretooth, Beast, and other "rraawwr" characters, but most of the others--especially his females--were rather unappealing to me. Maybe he can draw Wolverine?

Astonishing needs Gene Ha or Coipel or Alphona or McNiven or, or...Skottie Young! The story can be complete crap, but with any of those artists I think I would buy regaaaardless.

I thought his Beast on the 200 cover was pretty cool myself. If they have to reconn Beast I could live with it if he looked like that.

[Beast]

I thought his Beast on the 200 cover was pretty cool myself. If they have to reconn Beast I could live with it if he looked like that.
I am amused that he purposefully drew it as Ape Beast.

But put a little thin line splitting the lip to the nose, for those who like the Cat Beast. :D

[jester1436]

Seriously? That's you're response?


I understand that Marvel is a business. I don't think I was disputing that.

In this case, I do think it's pretty stupid to spread the story out as 8 page back ups in 4 different books across 17 issues.

I enjoy Carey's X-Men and was interested in this story. I was ready to buy extra comics for a crossover, but I won't be buying any extra comics just for eight page chapters.

So yeah, in this case I will just be buying what I normally buy, and will probably read the rest in the store, which is disappointing. I was hoping Marvel would start getting the X-Men back on track, but this news leaves a sour taste in my mouth.


Honestly, what format would work that showed the storyline is going to be integral to all of these books when the protagonist is Beast - a regular member of none of the teams. Another mini-series distracting from the ongoing books? Considering this back-up arc leads to the actual event coming up in these four books, doesn't it make sense for it to happen here?

I'm sorry, I'm not particularly sympathetic, because either way, you're going to have to buy extra books and I'm personally excited about the storyline.

[BizarroBeachHead]

Honestly, what format would work that showed the storyline is going to be integral to all of these books when the protagonist is Beast - a regular member of none of the teams. Another mini-series distracting from the ongoing books? Considering this back-up arc leads to the actual event coming up in these four books, doesn't it make sense for it to happen here?

I'm sorry, I'm not particularly sympathetic, because either way, you're going to have to buy extra books and I'm personally excited about the storyline.

You honestly can't see the difference between spending $3 for a full 22 page story and spending $3 for an 8 page story?

They could have just crossed this over in six issues, but then I'd only be buying 2 or 3 extra issues, not 12. You don't see my problems here?

Or yes, even a separate miniseries would be fine. It wouldn't detract from the books, it just wouldn't ADD to them.

[Red Lotus]

Or yes, even a separate miniseries would be fine. It wouldn't detract from the books, it just wouldn't ADD to them.

I do wish they would have just put out a mini with 4 or 5 issues.. But now I have to get X-factor and New X-men just for 8 pages.:( I really dont care about the other 22.

[jester1436]

You honestly can't see the difference between spending $3 for a full 22 page story and spending $3 for an 8 page story?

They could have just crossed this over in six issues, but then I'd only be buying 2 or 3 extra issues, not 12. You don't see my problems here?

Or yes, even a separate miniseries would be fine. It wouldn't detract from the books, it just wouldn't ADD to them.

But the whole point is to get people buying the four books, not a mini-series or something separate. The back-up story is being used to get people to buy the books. I buy all four titles, so it's not an extra expense - but it would be if it was a separate mini-series. They're all good books right now anyway.

Just six issues? Like the same amount of content in the six issues? That would likely cause a cost increase for the individual issues involved, for a 16 page back-up. I wouldn't want it as the primary story in the two X-books either, because I wouldn't be cool with the Beast story derailing team stories.

Anyway, like I said, read what you want. Skip whatever you don't read. It doesn't matter to me either way.

[BizarroBeachHead]

But the whole point is to get people buying the four books, not a mini-series or something separate. The back-up story is being used to get people to buy the books. I buy all four titles, so it's not an extra expense - but it would be if it was a separate mini-series. They're all good books right now anyway.Well, that's where we disagree.

Just six issues? Like the same amount of content in the six issues? That would likely cause a cost increase for the individual issues involved, for a 16 page back-up. I wouldn't want it as the primary story in the two X-books either, because I wouldn't be cool with the Beast story derailing team stories.Check it, 17 eight page stories = 6.1 issues of a 22 page comic, a standard miniseries. The whole back up story format is faulty. I'm sure there are plenty of people who WILL buy the books for the back up stories, but it's just as likely that there's a significant audience who purposefully won't, like me. I've no interest in reading Uncanny, X-Factor, or New X-Men, I wouldn't have dropped them from my pull box if I did. How is a story about Beast, written largely by Mike Carey, in any sort of way indicative of the content of Brubaker's Uncanny X-Men? It's not. There are other ways to get people interested in new books. Forcing them to read a book they have no interest in in order to read a story they ARE interested in is cheap, cheap marketing.

Anyway, like I said, read what you want. Skip whatever you don't read. It doesn't matter to me either way.Thank you for reminding me why I stay away from the X-boards.

[frog]

BizarroBeachHead, why don't you just wait for the trade to come out? No one can make you buy something you don't want to. If there wasn't a market for this Marvel wouldn't do it.

[BizarroBeachHead]

BizarroBeachHead, why don't you just wait for the trade to come out? No one can make you buy something you don't want to. If there wasn't a market for this Marvel wouldn't do it.

That is what I'm doing. I still think the format is terrible though.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I do get why they'd put the back-up stories in every book. Make sure people are update why the content and the vibe of the books. And I do get that people already getting the four books would get screwed.

Still, *damn*. It's just a freakin back-up story. A sypnosis will do just fine for quite a few people out there.

And just for the record, is it me or does ES seem *really* long for a back-up story?

[CaptainCanada]

Cool to see Mike Perkins doing some X-related work. He's one of my favourite artists.

The timing of these backups seems a bit off to me, relative to where the X-books are. When the backups start, Uncanny will be on the second part of a five-part story, and New the fourth part of a five-part story; the others are starting new stories, so that fits.

[dotdotdot]

just think about the fantastic inevitable trade that will collect the one-shot and the backups. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm