My List For The Top Fifteen Greatest Spiderman Enemies Of All Time

[Toku King]

I'm making my list of the top baddies in Spiderman's rogues gallery. I tried to be fair and understanding on who should be there and why. Here we go!

15. Mysterio
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/FRNDSM013.png
Name: Quentin Beck
Why He's 15: Mysterio was definately an interesting new villain. A fishbowl helmet, purple cape, fishnetted tights, and numerous tricks. But that doesn't seem to be that threatning, right? Wrong. Very wrong. Despite his looks, Mysterio is definately one of the most dangerous enemies, Spiderman could ever take on.
Quentin was once the master of illusion. He could make anything look real. So good at this, in fact, that he decided that he would go for some big money with it. He not only makes things easier for Jameson to rip on Spidey, but he even tricks Spiderman into thinking he was unbeatable! With this, Mysterio subconciously made Peter think he lost. Some impressive works right there.
But soon, Spideman figured it out and easily beat the badguy. This wasn't the end of it, though. Oh no. Mysterio came back as a lower worker of the Sinister Six, only to lose poorly.
Then, it got serious. Mysterio pretended to be a psychiatrist that made Spiderman think he was mad. The illusions made Spiderman think that he was seeing his badguys all of the time, to the point where he was going insane within his sanity! So good was this plan that Spiderman almost willingly took his mask off right in front of Quentin! Now that's impressive.
After this, Mysterio constantly made Spiderman think things were at their worst when they weren't. To make it hard to tell whether or not these later incidents were real, Mysterio would wait long periods of time so it would be undetected if fake.
Mysterio then did something even worse - He tortured Daredevil. Though it was Daredevil that took the suffering, Spiderman blamed himself for not stopping it. It is yet another burden he holds in his heart.
Now in the realm of the dead after shooting himself at the end of his fight with Daredevil, Mysterio now seems to have new employers and new abilities, possibly making him even more dangerous than before.
The first and best Mysterio, Beck will always be apart of Spiderman history as the first to choose brawn over brain, and then make it into a weapon not even Spiderman can tame.
Shining Moment: Mysterio switched from Spider-Man to Daredevil for a short period of time, resulting in his death. In this time, Peter felt solely responsible for the destruction of his dear friend's life. Scars like that never heal.

[Mister Mets]

Keep em coming man.

I'm a bit surprised that Mysterio's so low though.

[Toku King]

That's actually a good seat. He's one of the most dangerous out there.

[Toku King]

14. Scorpion
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/Scorpiongargan.jpg
Name: Mac Gargan
Why He's 14: Made by Jonah Jameson to be the ultimate Spider-Man killer, Mac Gargan as the Scorpion was the original Venom. With the same speed as Spiderman and stronger, Scorpion beat Spider-Man's like tossing away like yesterday's garbage. But soon, Spider-Man used Gargan's lack of intellect against him. But with this came a price. Not being able to get the suit off, Scorpion blamed Jameson for ruining his life, and constantly tried to kill the publisher. Soon, his powers were well known, and he was upgraded by numerous crime bosses. Now insane with hatred against Spiderman and Jameson and covered in enhanced weaponry, the Scorpion posed an incredible threat to Spider-Man.
Now as the new Venom, he'll be a bigger enemy than ever!
Shining Moment: Beating Spider-Man on top of the Daily Bugle building for all to see, breaking Peter's bones as well as his confidence.

13. Electro
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Electro2.jpg
Name: Max Dillon
Why He's 13: Caught in an electrical accident, Maxwell Dillon was given the mighty powers of electricity. From blacking out an entire city to manipulating electronic waves, it was almost endless. Soon, he got a crack at Spider-Man. Unfortunately, he was successful. In one touch, Spider-Man was out cold. From rubber gloves to water, Electro could not be taken on without at least a little help. With his massive determination and increasing insanity, Electro soon proved to be one of Spider-Man's most threatning enemies. As time went on, Electro's power grew. He became harder to stop, and was getting wise to the wall crawler's games.
Everytime Spider-Man won, Electro would become even worse to the point in which he cares not for any other life but himself. No matter what, Dillon swears to murder Spider-Man and proove his greatness.
With enough power to take down Spider-Man on his own and his psychotic lust for revenge, Electro is one of the worst enemies a hero coud have.
Shining Moment: Absorbing all of New York City's power, essentially becoming a god, and forcing Spider-Man to plead for mercy to keep the city safe. Talk about a spirit breaker.

[Toku King]

12. Jackal
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Jackal/JackalNew.gif
Name: Miles Warren
Why He's 12: Miles Warren was a professor at Peter's school, who had an odd obsession with Gwen Stacy. He had many projects to clone her, many going wrong. Filled with hatred and wishing for more money for his expiriments, Miles became the Jackal, a weird foe who thought Spiderman as a fool that would only ruin his plans. He first hired the Punisher to do his dirty work, and then many others.
Early in his creer, he was a pathetic enemy fo Spiderman. But soon, his cloning project was a success. By cloning Spiderman, he found out that he was really Peter Parker! Wishing to ruin the boy's life for interfering, the Jackal created numerous clones of him and Gwen Stacey, igniting the original Clone Saga! In doubt of who he really was, Spiderman's life was turned upside down by the vicious Jackal. No matter where Peter was, he would wonder who, or what, he really was, and feel the trauma of Gwen Stacey's death over and over in his mind after numerous leftover Gwen clones reenacted it to disturb Peter under Jackal's command!
A villain that should be more famous than he is, the Jackal started one of tthe most confusing and traumatizing wars in Peter Parker's life.
Shining Moment: Beginning the infamous Clone Saga that completely turned Peter's life upside down.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

14. Scorpion
Not being able to get the suit off, Scorpion blamed Jameson for ruining his life, and constantly tried to kill the publisher.

Your confusing Scorpion with Rhino. Scorpion can take his suit off. How do yo think he was walking around without a suit before he became Venom ;)

It's his mutation that he can't reverse and blames Jonah for.

[Toku King]

Your confusing Scorpion with Rhino. Scorpion can take his suit off. How do yo think he was walking around without a suit before he became Venom ;)

It's his mutation that he can't reverse and blames Jonah for.



Not true. Read issue #20. The SUIT was we he blamed Jonah, not his powers.

GG told Mac he could get the suit off is Mac helped him. A deal was struck, and Mac became Venom.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

Not true. Read issue #20. The SUIT was we he blamed Jonah, not his powers.

GG told Mac he could get the suit off is Mac helped him. A deal was struck, and Mac became Venom.


Issue number 20 of what?

[Toku King]

Issue number 20 of what?

ASM.
Trust me, I'm right on this one.

[Toku King]

Your confusing Scorpion with Rhino. Scorpion can take his suit off. How do yo think he was walking around without a suit before he became Venom ;)


Because Norman got it off as a part of their deal. :rolleyes:

[Nosgoth Phantom]

If he couldn't remove his suit after issue 20 of Amazing Spider-Man, then it really doesn't make any sense when in Amazing Spider-Man #370 the Tinkerer had to make him whole new one after he had the old one trashed. Or when Mac Gargan is walking around without a suit at all in Spectacular Spider-Man #215. There was one period of time, back when "Spectacular" first started, that he seemed to think he was stuck in his costume, but it was just him suffering from dementia.

[Chris Nowlin]

I'll check when I get home, but I think Nosgoth is right on this one. Jameson mutated him and then he went crazy. The suit he could take on and off.

His second appearance is in Amazing Spider-Man 29, where he faked insanity in order to trick psychiatrists into giving him back his suit.

[Mister Mets]

ASM.
Trust me, I'm right on this one.
You're wrong.

In Amazing Spider-Man #20, The Scorpion wanted to kill Jonah because A) he was getting crazier and B)J Jonah Jameson knew his origin/ secret identity, and thus posed a threat.

He was always able to take off the suit. In Amazing Spider-Man #29 he escaped prison by convincing the guards he was crazy and needed to wear the suit.

The idea that he blamed Jameson for his mutation was a later development, although it was used in the rendition of the Scorpion in the Fox Animated cartoon.

[Venom]

Cyberman's the most right one on this debate guys.

[rockgrant]

Also, Mary Jane was never cloned. Keep the list going!

[Toku King]

Also, Mary Jane was never cloned. Keep the list going!

It was a typo.

[Toku King]

You're wrong.

In Amazing Spider-Man #20, The Scorpion wanted to kill Jonah because A) he was getting crazier and B)J Jonah Jameson knew his origin/ secret identity, and thus posed a threat.

He was always able to take off the suit. In Amazing Spider-Man #29 he escaped prison by convincing the guards he was crazy and needed to wear the suit.

The idea that he blamed Jameson for his mutation was a later development, although it was used in the rendition of the Scorpion in the Fox Animated cartoon.

I need specific scans. I read them again, and they are not there.

[Wild Card13]

Okay, this is great and all, but the people want a list. Who cares if he blames Jameson for the suit or the mutation, the point is he blames Jameson for something and he's one of Spidey's top 15 deadliest foes.

Let's see the others, please?

[Toku King]

11. J. Jonah Jameson
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/j_1d/jamesonjjonah.gif
Why He's 11: Ever since the beginning, Jameson has always been a major thorn in Spider-Man's side. From funding some of Spider-Man's more dangerous enemies into existence to making Peter wonder if he is really doing the right thing, this cruel and obnoxious publisher of the Daily Bugle is a source of Peter's doubt, and a big reason why people fear him. While not physically a threat, Jameson has emotionally scarred Peter from the beginning. Guys like Vulture? No problem. The feeling of extra resentment and pure hatred against our favorite web slinger? That's bad.
Shining Moment: Turning the entire city against our hero to the point where he quit being the famous wall crawler.

[Toku King]

10. Kingpin
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/k_1d/kingpin.gif
Name: Wilson Fisk
Why He's 10: One of the major rulers of the underworld, Wilson Fisk has been one of the few villains that had the cunning and imagination to dupe Spiderman. His ruthless hatred for the wall crawler and incredible power in the economic world make him almost impossible to touch. His other arch nemesis is Daredevil, who Daredevil believes to believe his greatest opponent. Now, Kingpin has complicated things even more by causing the current possible fate of dear Aunt May. And where did he do this? In prison. So now we know that nothing will ever be out of the grasp of the super strong, super smart, and super evil villain known as the Kingpin.
Let's see how he's going to get out of Spiderman's grasp now.
Shining Moment: Causing the sniping of Aunt May.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

I need specific scans. I read them again, and they are not there.
As far as Amazing Spider-Man #20
This is exactly what he says
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/scorp3.jpg

Amazing Spider-Man #29

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/scorp2.jpg

Amazing Spider-Man #370

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/scorp.jpg




PS Not trying to be an ass. Trying to correct mis-information so it doesn't confuse other people..

[Mister Mets]

Quick note on the Scorpion scans.
In Amazing Spider-Man #29 Scorpion wants revenge on Jonah/ Spider-Man for putting him in prison, not for mutating him.
But good work getting those scans Nosgorth.

11. J. Jonah Jameson
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/j_1d/jamesonjjonah.gif
Why He's 11: Ever since the beginning, Jameson has always been a major thorn in Spiderman's side. From funding some of Spiderman's more dangerous enemies into existence to making Peter wonde if he is really doing the right thing, this cruel and obnoxious publisher of the Daily Bugle is a source of Peter's doubt, and a big reason why people fear him. While not physically a threat, Jameson has emotionally scarred Peter from the beginning. Guys like Vulture? No problem. The feeling of extra resentment and pure hatred against our favorite web slinger? That's bad.
I wouldn't rank Jonah with the other villains, mainly since I'd put him a lot higher on any list given that he's been in more scenes than most villains, had more good stories than most of the villains, and had more of an impact than the majority of them (in addition to funding Scorpion and the Spider Slayers.)

[Preus]

Keep 'em coming!

[Toku King]

Quick note on the Scorpion scans.
In Amazing Spider-Man #29 Scorpion wants revenge on Jonah/ Spider-Man for putting him in prison, not for mutating him.
But good work getting those scans Nosgorth.


I wouldn't rank Jonah with the other villains, mainly since I'd put him a lot higher on any list given that he's been in more scenes than most villains, had more good stories than most of the villains, and had more of an impact than the majority of them (in addition to funding Scorpion and the Spider Slayers.)

.......

1)What did I just say about the Scorpion? PM me.
2)Considering the harmful impact Jonah had and the fact that he was definately a cause fo many foes, he's definately an enemy.

[Toku King]

9. Morlun
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/morlun21.gif
Why He's 9: To be honest, I can't stand Morlun. I think that the Spider Totem and Other stories were terrible. But, that in no way effects my position for him on this list. No matter what anyone says, the guy was definitely an A class threat.
Morlun was believed to be an ancient creature that fed on the life of others. But only one true life would sustain his needs, and that was the chosen Totem Spiderman, and possibly Ezekiel. Morlun proved to be almost unstoppable, never getting tired and had immense strength and speed, the kind that Spiderman compared to the likes of Hulk and Thor.
Morlun's lust for Peter's energy and his incredible raw power make him one of the most dangerous Spiderman enemies so far.
After their final battle in the Spider Totem storyline, Morlun came back, worse than ever.
This is where Morlun did something so bad that he HAD to be in the top ten - He ate Spiderman's eye, and then broke Mary Jane Watson's arm! When you do something like that to a superhero, you need to be on his top ten "don't want to see anymore list", and definately his top ten greatest enemy list.
If Morlun came more frequently, and didn't actually help Spiderman in one way or another every time he came, he'd be up even higher.
Shining Moment: Ripping out Peter's eye and eating it. Certainly a shocker.

[Toku King]

8. Carnage
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Carnagemarvel.jpg
Name: Cletus Kasady
Why He's 8: The son of Venom, Carnage was the only other symbiote villain to really cause some real damage to the world of Spiderman. Twice as powerful and twice as evil, Cletus Kasady was one very dangerous foe.
From killing little children to rampaging through City Hall, Carnage is above Morlun because of his sick persistence to not automatically kill Spiderman, but cause a vile boom of death and destruction so bad that Spiderman would not want to ever show his face again.
But with that, Cletus is also on this list for the fact that he is one of the villains Spiderman rresents most, and Carnage loves every minute of it. With enough power to give our hero a run for his money and his sick joke of a plan to kill as many as possible while somehow dwarfing Venom in some ways, Carnage is one of the worst enemies Spiderman could ever imagine.
Shining Moment: Leading the events of Maximum Carnage.

[Toku King]

7. The Lizard
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Crazylizzy.gif
Name: Curt Conners
Why He's 7: Curt Conners was a hard working man who believed that science was the answer to the world's problems. After losing his arm in the Vietnam War, Conners donned on the responsibility to create a formula to regrow back his arm, and other body parts for others who have suffered the same fate. He tried using DNA from lizards, who have this ability naturally. He tried the formula on himself, only to have a terrible side effect. He became a terrible creature with a hatred for humans.
In their first encounter, the Lizard was very agile and strong, but lost easily to the formula. Spiderman was on his way, thinking that the Lizard was gone forever.
Soon, it was seen that the Lizard was actually now a subconcious of Curt Conners, and may very well return at any time.
Dr. Conners was a very close friend of Spiderman, and the good doctor was always doing his best to help out. But whenever the terrible monster appeared, Spiderman would have to conflict the right choice. He could always just make the Lizard drink the formula over and over again, or stop the evil killings once and for all. So whenever the Lizard harms someone, Spiderman finds himself responsible for it.
To make matters worse, the Lizard is one of Spiderman's most powerful enemies at this point. With speed equal to Spiderman, sharp claws and teeth, incredible strength, insane durability, a diamond hard tail, and incredibly vicious behavior, the Lizard does not go down without causing some kind of issue. Another issue is that the Lizard began to get wise to Spiderman to the point where things were almost expected from the wall crawler. Does the Lizard really see was Conners se, or do is Curt in control of the creature?
Nobody can be sure, but what is certain is that the Lizard is one of the most threatening villains Spiderman has ever come across.
Shining Moment: Using Billy as bait for Spider-Man, ambushing the hero, beating him into pulp, and leaving him for dead.

[Preus]

Really, honestly, Carnage should be at number seven & the Lizard should be number eight.

[Mister Mets]

Keep em coming, Tobu King.
Really, honestly, Carnage should be at number seven & the Lizard should be number eight.
Honestly, I'd have Lizard in the Top five and Carnage would probably barely make the list (and only because I think the character has more potential than most writers realize.)

[BeastieRunner]

Really, honestly, Carnage should be at number seven & the Lizard should be number eight.

Are you 13?

[Toku King]

Keep em coming, Tobu King.

Honestly, I'd have Lizard in the Top five and Carnage would probably barely make the list (and only because I think the character has more potential than most writers realize.)

I originally was going to put the Lizard as 5, but there were two of them that I realized are bigger threats.

One of them you probably wouldn't have expected.

[Toku King]

Really, honestly, Carnage should be at number seven & the Lizard should be number eight.

Are you kidding?

[Preus]

Why would I be kidding? That's my opinion.

[GQ_Almighty]

here's what i think your top 6 will look like, although i dont necessarily agree:

6) Hobgoblin
5) Kraven
4) The Burgler
3) Doctor Octopus
2) Venom
1) Green Goblin




i HIGHLY disagree with a character like Morlun being in a top 15, hell even a top 20 all-time spidey villains. first off, the dude has only been around for what, 5 years? if that? in 5 years from now, no one will remember him. he's not timeless at all.
to rank Morlun ahead of The Vulture, Chameleon, Sandman, The Smythes and the Slayers, Rhino, Shocker, and others...it's a crime, it really is.

Morlun deserves to rank somewhere along with characters like Carrion and Hammerhead (2 of my all time fav's by the way)...and hell, even they are timeless...Hammerhead been around since the early 70's

[Toku King]

here's what i think your top 6 will look like, although i dont necessarily agree:

6) Hobgoblin
5) Kraven
4) The Burgler
3) Doctor Octopus
2) Venom
1) Green Goblin

I'll give you a hint: All but two are on that list, but not necesarrily in that order.

[GQ_Almighty]

i will be creating a top 101 greatest spider-man villains very very soon

[Toku King]

i will be creating a top 101 greatest spider-man villains very very soon

Holy..........

[Mister Mets]

i will be creating a top 101 greatest spider-man villains very very soon
I think it's always better to have a small number (5-15) so no one's going to get really offended if you don't include some of their obscure favorites. You could always say they were honorable mentions.

With a Top 101, people will be pissed if you don't have random guys they like, and they'll be upset when they see how low some of their absolute favorites are ranked.

Look at the protests here to Carnage being at #8 instead of #6. Imagine how pisses a Cardiac fan will be to see his favorite villain at #59 or something.

Are you 13?
He hasn't really been hiding it.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4918414&postcount=7

[Toku King]

..........There ARE no protests of Carnage being 8 instead of 6.

[Toku King]

i HIGHLY disagree with a character like Morlun being in a top 15, hell even a top 20 all-time spidey villains. first off, the dude has only been around for what, 5 years? if that? in 5 years from now, no one will remember him. he's not timeless at all.
to rank Morlun ahead of The Vulture, Chameleon, Sandman, The Smythes and the Slayers, Rhino, Shocker, and others...it's a crime, it really is.

Have you even read Morlun stories? THE GUY ATE PETER'S EYE!

[Wild Card13]

Hey, guys. I've got a great idea.

Why don't we let him finish the list, and then pick it apart?

[rZi]

Morlun deserves to be in the top 15...

- He beat peter so badly he called MJ to say goodbye, what does that tell you?
- He ate spider-mans eye
- He beat peter practicaly to death and so his face was unrecognisable
- He broke MJ's arm

He impacted spider-books wether you want to admit it or not.

[Toku King]

6. Hobgoblin
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/1/19/Hobgoblin01.jpg
Name: Roderick Kingsley
Why He's 6: There have been over 5 GGs, 5 HGs(fifth one is still to be proven), and almost 15 other imitators. But of all of them, only three were truly threatening to our hero. The original Hobgoblin is one of them.
Cunning, strong, intelligent, skilled, and evil, the Hobgoblin is one of those villains that just popped up to wreck havoc.
Roderick Kinsley, fashion designer extrordinare, stumbled upon the hideout of the Green Goblin to find all sorts of notes, weaponry, and even the formula. Taking the time to be skilled with his power and plan ways to conquer New York City, the Hobgoblin appeared out of no where and gave Spidey one heck of a ride.
Realizing the danger of this new enemy, Spiderman constantly tried to follow the lead of this masked menace and stop his reign of terror. Sadly, it failed. The Hobgoblin was no stupid thug, and constantly led Spiderman away from his tracks with false clues and misleading tips.
Roderick was also a threat as far as strength and weaponry go. Guys like the Rose have brains, but nothing to fully help it when he needs to do the job himself. Hobby, on the other hand, got much from Norman's notes and training to become a major physical threat to Peter, allowing him to escape numerous times.
One of the biggest mysteries in Marvel was the question "Who was the Hobgoblin?" Few villains are good at keeping their true names from getting out. The Hobgoblin, though, was always one step ahead.
To this day, the dreaded Hobgoblin could appear at any given time to rock the city once again, and with his brains and power, he could be successful.
Roderick was the only Hobgoblin to really stick out in his run, and always will be.
Shining Moment: Framing Ned Leeds as the Hobgoblin, and causing Spider-Man to mistrust everyone around him.

[Preus]

Morlun deserves to be in the top 15...

- He beat peter so badly he called MJ to say goodbye, what does that tell you?
- He ate spider-mans eye
- He beat peter practicaly to death and so his face was unrecognisable
- He broke MJ's arm

He impacted spider-books wether you want to admit it or not.


That still doesn't change the fact that he's only been around for five years. That stuff isn't nearly as bad as what someone like the Green Goblin has done.

[Mister Mets]

That still doesn't change the fact that he's only been around for five years. That stuff isn't nearly as bad as what someone like the Green Goblin has done.I'm pretty sure Green Goblin's topping Morlun.

I also think five years is enough to judge someone. Hell, the first five years of Doctor Octopus/ the Green Goblin would be enough to put them on a list like this.

Hey, guys. I've got a great idea.

Why don't we let him finish the list, and then pick it apart?
But if we pick the choices apart before he's done, it'll show there's interest in the next choices, which should give Tobu King more confidence.

[Preus]

That's what I was saying, the Green Goblin tops Morlun anyday.

[Wild Card13]

But if we pick the choices apart before he's done, it'll show there's interest in the next choices, which should give Tobu King more confidence.

But Tobu King has this habit of responding directly to any disputes and getting sidetracked. I, for one, am eager to see the end of the list before I post my own massive editorial.

[nuclearman]

Great list... not necessarily what I'd choose but ... keep 'em coming!!

[Sean Whitmore]

Hey, guys. I've got a great idea.

Why don't we let him finish the list, and then pick it apart?

So, what, nobody else should respond for the next five days or so?

Not really how it works here. :)


SEAN

[Toku King]

5. Sandman
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/S3_sandman_punch.jpg
Real Name: William Baker, but also known as Flint Marko
Why He's 5: If there was anyone as popular, original, and flat out powerful as big shots like Doc Ock and Green Goblin, it's Sandman. Born in an abusive lifestyle and plunged into a life of poverty, William Baker grew up a bitter and strong human being. Going from crime to crime by a vicious and persuasive mob, 'Bill' lost a side of trust with humanity, and soon became angry and violent inside.
But what makes Marko so different was what happened afterwards. On a beach, running from the law, the crook was hit by an atomic explosion, granting him the power to rearrange, harden, and gain his now sand built particles.
Far more powerful than almost any foe the webhead ever faced, Spider-Man always must rely on his wits and speed to save the day. And even then, it takes numerous team-ups with high tier heroes such as the Fantastic Four and Iron Man.
Before he turned good, Sandman was as hard core and dangerous as they come. And with powers such as his, and with his great determination and obsessions with power and money, he is a very grave threat to the hero.
Shining Moment: Trashing New York City, luring Spider-Man out, and then almost suffocating him to death.

[Toku King]

Not many expected that one, did they?
My problem with GG2 is that while used in the movie, he's very forgotten in the comics when he shouldn't be.

[Toku King]

4. Green Goblin II
http://www.spidervillain.com/Villains/GreenGoblinII/GreenGoblinIIASM136.gif
Name: Harry Osborn
Why He's 4: Harry was the only other Green Goblin besides Norman to actually hurt Peter. While the original Goblin knew how to dish out even amounts of mental and physical pain(which he was really good at), Harry decided to go almost completely mental as his choice of weapon. With this, who was once Peter's best friend turned into a psychotic freak of nature that sinked so low to kill Spiderman that Norman would be proud.
From blowing up Peter's apartment to tying up everyone Peter knew with explosives to suping hiself up to monster proportions, Green Goblin 2 made Peter's brain explode with questions and fears. If Harry could blow up his home, there was no limit to what he could do.
Putting Spider-Man on a thread, the second Green Goblin toyed with Peter's mind and created a new world of hurt towards the webslinger that hadn't been seen since his father's time.
In their last conflict, Harry decided that he would save Spiderman from a burning building he caused, and it was the final act that he did. Peter asked "Why did you save me?" with a reply of "You're my best friends, Pete."
Though heroic, that too has scarred Spiderman deeply feeling much sadness and hatred for what all happened.
From grumpy bully to best friend to psychotic arch nemesis, the second Green Goblin proved that sequels aren't always bad.
Shining Moment: Many could be used for him, but the worst is making robotic replicas of Peter's parents, driving Peter insane as he wept on the floor with the sound of Harry's laughter on a video tape in the backround.

[Chris Nowlin]

Not many expected that one, did they?
My problem with GG2 is that while used in the movie, he's very forgotten in the comics when he shouldn't be.

Well, he is dead.

But I haven't forgotten him.

[Toku King]

Well, he is dead.

But I haven't forgotten him.

Carnage is, too.
And forgetting is different than remembering the effect he had on Spiderman.

[Chris Nowlin]

Carnage is, too.
And forgetting is different than remembering the effect he had on Spiderman.

Oh, yeah.

If you want a different pic for Carnage:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o1/CocaC0la99/sentrykillscarnage.jpg

[Nosgoth Phantom]

Oh, yeah.

If you want a different pic for Carnage:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o1/CocaC0la99/sentrykillscarnage.jpg

Great pic. lol

[Toku King]

Top three is coming up right now!

[Toku King]

3. Dr. Octopus
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/2/22/DoctorOctopus(Octavius)_Head.jpg
Name: Dr. Otto Octavius/Octavious(depends on the writer)
Why He's 3: Otto Octavius was one of the leading scientists in radioactive testing and expiramental works. To further his accomplishments, he created four mechanical arms to give him the ability to mess with elements man could never touch with their own hands. During a testing of these "Smart Arms", an explosion went off, destroying the lab, and possibly Otto. While in the hospital, Otto is found to have had serious brain damage. While his intelligence was intact(possibly heightened), his sanity and compassion for his fellow man was gone. Now telepathically controlling his super powerful "tentacles", Dr. Octopus believed that he was the greatest form of life, and deserved only the best.
The now evil Dr. Octopus spread a wave of crime everywhere, doing as he pleased and never minding the health of others.
Otto is actually the first villain to beat Spiderman one on one with no tricks. After encouragement from the Human Torch, Spiderman came back for a rematch and won by a hair.
That was not it, though. No matter what, Dr. Octopus would constantly be causing the deaths of innocent lives in his personal gain or plotting to kill Spiderman. With all of those, he is almost always virtually successful, or close to it.
With the intellect of a thousand scientists, almost unmatchable strength with each mechanical arm, and insane determination to murder the wallcrawler, Dr. Octopus exceeds the others by proving that brains over brawns is one thing, but having just enough of both makes you worse than a guy who ripped Spiderman's eye out.
Shining Moment: Lashing out at the general public during a duel with Spider-Man, triggering the heroic and traumatic death of Captain Stacey.

[Mister Mets]

Where are #2 and #1?

[Toku King]

Where are #2 and #1?

I'm waiting for everyone to be ready, because once you see #2, you'll definately know #1.

Everyone ready for the last two?

[Mister Mets]

I'm waiting for everyone to be ready, because once you see #2, you'll definately know #1.

Everyone ready for the last two?
I think the top two are pretty obvious already.

[Toku King]

2. The Kangaroo II
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Kangaroo/KangarooNew.gif
Name: Brian Hibbs
Why He's 2: Of all of the villains to tangle with Spiderman, the Kangaroo is possibly one of the most fierce, powerful, and vicious of all. Making Carnage look like a school girl, the Kangaroo shows us the true power of a marsupial.
Actually, this is merely a joke. He's not really #2.

[Toku King]

I think the top two are pretty obvious already.

But in which order?

[Mister Mets]

But in which order?

2. White Rabbit
1. The Looter

[Toku King]

2. Venom
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Venom/Venom362.gif
Name: Eddie Brock
Why He's 2: Spider-Man has done it all. He's taken on cosmic warriors, creatures from another dimension, the brilliant Dr. Doom, Grey Hulk, a fifty foot tall spider beast, Morlun, and many other freakshows. Yet, Venom, the bastard hybrid of the misused symbiote costume and hate-filled Eddie Brock, is one of the only villains to ever give Peter Parker nightmares. And after what we've seen him try and desire, it's obvious to see why.
Eddie Brock worked for a rival newspaper to the Daily Bugle. His big article hit was his interview with the Sin Eater. He became incredibly successful and was given all sorts of dealerships.
But soon, Spiderman found out the real identity of the Sineater, and it was not the man Eddie pretended to interview.
With his house on eviction, no family, and no money to live on, Eddie soon focused intense training on himself, hoping to subdue his hatred for Spiderman. But sadly it grew. It grew to the point where Brock prepared to commit suicide.
Now we enter the symbiote costume. The back up suit Spiderman used in the Secret Wars, it was soon revealed to be alive and trying to take over Spiderman's body.
After the suit escapes its original capture by Mr. Fantastic, the suit goes after Spiderman yet again. This time, Spiderman remembered the weakness of the costume after hitting the bell tower while fighting a Vulturion - noise. It hated noise. Spiderman soon got the creature off. Feeling sad and abandoned, the suit left Peter alone to find the next closest source of emotion. Sadly, that was Eddie Brock. Sharing the same anger towards Spiderman as Eddie, the suit joins the angry reporter on their quest to rid the world of Spiderman once and for all.
I don't think I really need to go into detail on his powers(since most of you probably already know).
From helping Aunt May with clothes to "check up on her", to attacking Mary Jane in her apartment, to chocking Spiderman in his sleep and walking off, Venom is basically the enemy every villain never wanted. The one that could do anything he wanted at anytime, no matter what.
After numerous defeats, Venom grew angrier and more evil everytime, but it was in his first few appearences did he act his worse.
Later on good terms with Peter(a big disappointment), Eddie eventually killed himself, allowing the costume to latch onto Mac Gargan.
While Mac is dangerous, no Venom will ever have been as physically dangerous, or mentally terrifying, as the almost unstoppable and never ending threat of the one that started it all.
Shining Moment: Appearing at Spider-Man's house to terrify Mary Jane Watson. As Peter came back, he saw her on the floor sobbing and praying to God. And if not that, then murdering an innocent prison guard for his own benefit or beating Black Cat into submission.

[Toku King]

2. White Rabbit
1. The Looter

Silly! Kangaroo II is definately more dangerous than the White Rabbit!

[Sean Whitmore]

2. The Kangaroo II
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Kangaroo/KangarooNew.gif

Awright! Finally someone respect! Someone loves you as much as I do, my hoppy friend!


Actually, this is merely a joke. He's not really #2. If anything, he's not on my top 150.

...tease. :(


SEAN

[Mister Mets]

2. The Kangaroo II
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Kangaroo/KangarooNew.gif
Name: Brian Hibbs
Why He's 2: Of all of the villains to tangle with Spiderman, the Kangaroo is possibly one of the most fierce, powerful, and vicious of all. Making Carnage look like a school girl, the Kangaroo shows us the true power of a marsupial.
Actually, this is merely a joke. He's not really #2.
He's gotta be #1, right?


If anything, he's not on my top 150.
:mad:

[SpideyZERO]

2. The Kangaroo II
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Kangaroo/KangarooNew.gif
Name: Brian Hibbs
Why He's 2: Of all of the villains to tangle with Spiderman, the Kangaroo is possibly one of the most fierce, powerful, and vicious of all. Making Carnage look like a school girl, the Kangaroo shows us the true power of a marsupial.
Actually, this is merely a joke. He's not really #2. If anything, he's not on my top 150.

Kick ass! :D

[Toku King]

1. Green Goblin
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/1659/sparkleblast.gif
Name: Norman Osborn
Why He's 1: From parading Spiderman's limp body around the underworld to killing Gwen Stacey, the Green Goblin is easily the biggest threat Spiderman has ever faced. Venom is the kind of villain that wishes to give Spiderman nightmares. Norman's wish is to make Peter's nightmares come true.
Most people already know the origin of him. Norman tried to make a special formula, only for it to end up blowing up in his face(literally). Brain damaged and psychotic, Norman donned the mask of the creature that was the source of his nightmares as a child. The Green Goblin.
The Gobln started off by merely wishing to take over the underworld, and actually almost successful.
These were the years where we were completely blown away. Not only was he smart enough to not get caught by Spiderman(not seen before at that point), but he was one of the few powerful, smart, and skilled enough to go head to head with our hero. Heck, he is actually one of the villains to defeat Spiderman the most!
Things got worse with Norman's condition. The more Spiderman interfered, the crazier he got. Soon, it got so bad that he sought out to find out who Spiderman really was. Then, well, the rest is history.
Killing Gwen Stacey was without a doubt the single most famous act of villainy in comic book history.
Did he stop there, though? No.
He was also the cause of all sorts of Goblins and Goblin imitators that difficulted Spiderman's life. He was even behind the trauma of Peter facing his own best friend.
Norman eventually came back. Personally, this was totally idiotic and a slap to the face of earlier writers. The good thing though is that while some made it worse, others kept us remembering why he's so dangerous.
It was unbelievable to see how Peter reacted to Norman surviving. Peter told Mary Jane that he had nightmares everytime he close his eyes for the entire year! Nothing scared Peter more than the Green Goblin returning. Not even Venom.
From killing Ben Reilly to dropping a building on Spiderman, the Green Goblin proved that given the right circumstances, he was 100% a threat no matter what.
With Peter's secret public, Osborn is more insane than ever. There are hints that he will actually turn on the New Thunderbolts, and go after Spiderman once more. Peter has though about that, and even once prayed to God(literally) that Norman would ever come after him, knowing that if he does, it may be their final battle.
In all of the fear and confusion, the original Green Goblin proves that the most unexpected enemies can be the worst of all.
Shining Moment: Norman easily has the most villainous and iconic moments of any Spider-Man foe, from blowing up the Daily Bugle to killing a bus full of people in front of Peter. But the most well known and heartbreaking, however, is the murder of Gwen Stacey. Even now, Spider-Man mourns her demise, and Norman's laughter still rings in his head.

[Mister Mets]

It's always odd to do lists like this.

Do you judge villains by the quality of their storylines (in which case Jackal probably shouldn't be included)?
Can a villain receive bonus points for being unique amongst comic book villains (in which case Sandman, Mysterio and Lizard would probably go up a few points)?
Can you factor stories outside of the Spider-Man books (in which Kingpin would definitely go up a few points)?

One heads up for next time around: There isn't much of a need to provide biographical information for the villains, as character profiles are readily available at Marvel's website and spiderfan.org. Instead, all you need to do is provide the reasons you like the villains so much (and why they're not any higher.)

[Toku King]

It's always odd to do lists like this.

Do you judge villains by the quality of their storylines (in which case Jackal probably shouldn't be included)?
Can a villain receive bonus points for being unique amongst comic book villains (in which case Sandman, Mysterio and Lizard would probably go up a few points)?
Can you factor stories outside of the Spider-Man books (in which Kingpin would definitely go up a few points)?

One heads up for next time around: There isn't much of a need to provide biographical information for the villains, as character profiles are readily available at Marvel's website and spiderfan.org. Instead, all you need to do is provide the reasons you like the villains so much (and why they're not any higher.)

I DO add reasons why if you read.
A good review includes a backround, a name, and why he's on the list, and why he's lowe than others. I did that with all of them. Want me to say why again? Because it says why in each one.
The list is on overall threat, effect on the character, and how much they are included in Spiderman's character and life and their impression on him.

[GQ_Almighty]

if you think Sandman left more of an impression on Spidey than Kraven did...than maybe you should read X-Men or something else

[Sean Whitmore]

if you think Sandman left more of an impression on Spidey than Kraven did...than maybe you should read X-Men or something else

Yeah, he actually said more than that.

The list is on overall threat, effect on the character, and how much they are included in Spiderman's character and life and their impression on him.


SEAN

[Chris Nowlin]

if you think Sandman left more of an impression on Spidey than Kraven did...than maybe you should read X-Men or something else

The thing is, the best thing Kraven ever did was die.

He died well enough to become one of the all-time great Spidey foes, but his history prior to that was pretty mediocre.

Sandman had many excellent storylines and went on to become a bigger character in the Marvel Universe more than most Spidey villains (excepting Kingpin and Punisher)

[Mister Mets]

To recap Toku King's list is.........
15. Mysterio
14. Scorpion
13. Electro
12. Jackal
11. J Jonah Jameson
10. Kingpin
9. Morlun
8. Carnage
7. The Lizard
6. Hobgoblin
5. Green Goblin II
4. Sandman
3. Doctor Octopus
2. Venom
1. Green Goblin


I DO add reasons why if you read.
A good review includes a backround, a name, and why he's on the list, and why he's lowe than others. I did that with all of them. Want me to say why again? Because it says why in each one.
The list is on overall threat, effect on the character, and how much they are included in Spiderman's character and life and their impression on him.
My mistake.
I honestly skimmed through the posts, and just noticed the biographical info (most of which I already knew.)

[Chris Nowlin]

Want to clarify what type of things you were looking for in your selection critera. I think you mentioned how much of a threat they were to Spidey was important.

I may have a comment or two, but I don't want to be basing it off my own way of judging villains.

[Toku King]

if you think Sandman left more of an impression on Spidey than Kraven did...than maybe you should read X-Men or something else

Apparently, you do not read well.

[Toku King]

To recap Toku King's list is.........
15. Mysterio
14. Scorpion
13. Electro
12. Jackal
11. J Jonah Jameson
10. Kingpin
9. Morlun
8. Carnage
7. The Lizard
6. Hobgoblin
5. Green Goblin II
4. Sandman
3. Doctor Octopus
2. Venom
1. Green Goblin

Thank you.

My mistake.
I honestly skimmed through the posts, and just noticed the biographical info (most of which I already knew.)

Most people don't know all of that, though.

[Mister Mets]

Apparently, you do not read well.
Sandman's a groundbreaking villain, but his impact on Spider-Man has been pretty minimal.

After Amazing Spider-Man #19, he basically became a Fantastic Four foe (fighting Spider-Man again in Marvel Team Up #1.) I believe his next appearance in the regular Spider-Man books was Amazing Spider-Man #154.

Then there was the extended period in which he was a hero.

I think he's a compelling character and one of the best Spider-Man villains, but it's because of his unique abilities/ potential for heroism, rather than his unique relationship with Spider-Man.

Most people don't know all of that, though.
I think the people who frequent this board are more knowledgeable of the material, and places they could find character profiles (wikipedia, spiderfan.org and Marvel websites.)

[Toku King]

Sandman's a groundbreaking villain, but his impact on Spider-Man has been pretty minimal.

After Amazing Spider-Man #19, he basically became a Fantastic Four foe (fighting Spider-Man again in Marvel Team Up #1.) I believe his next appearance in the regular Spider-Man books was Amazing Spider-Man #154.

Then there was the extended period in which he was a hero.

I think he's a compelling character and one of the best Spider-Man villains, but it's because of his unique abilities/ potential for heroism, rather than his unique relationship with Spider-Man.

It's more than relationship, though. Read my last quote.

[marvelfan06]

Once again, Carnage is way below villains that he could beat the tar out of for no reason much better than popularity, namely Lizard and Venom.
Anyway, I really do not think Venom should be above Doc Oc. Though I would never argue Oc over Green Goblin in a million years, I think he's got Venom beat. Although Venom may have the edge in physical power, Oc is without doubt smarter. He is one of few villains who has a combination of enough power to rival Spiderman and brains. Venom may be smarter than some Spidey villains, but he is no genius. Like many Spidey villains, his plan to kill him is almost always to challenge him to a fight. He may have fought many different things, but that only shows that he's popular. He may be cool, but being Spiderman's coolest enemy does not make you his most threatening enemy. I say that Spiderman greatest enemies are the ones that have the best combination of brawns and criminal brains. I'd say this includes Green Goblin 2, Doc Oc, Hobgoblin, and, above all, Green Goblin 1.
I must say that I like Sandman's position though. His powers are almost impossible to beat, unless you are lucky enough to have one of his few weaknesses (Venom's poison bite or some source of incredible heat), or if you're coming at him with the virtually invincible technique of being the hero while he's the villain. He's a personal favorite.

[Toku King]

Once again, Carnage is way below villains that he could beat the tar out of for no reason much better than popularity, namely Lizard and Venom.

Read some 80s and 90s Lizard stories, and also read ASM #300-317. You'll see why.

Anyway, I really do not think Venom should be above Doc Oc. Though I would never argue Oc over Green Goblin in a million years, I think he's got Venom beat. Although Venom may have the edge in physical power, Oc is without doubt smarter. He is one of few villains who has a combination of enough power to rival Spiderman and brains. Venom may be smarter than some Spidey villains, but he is no genius. Like many Spidey villains, his plan to kill him is almost always to challenge him to a fight. He may have fought many different things, but that only shows that he's popular. He may be cool, but being Spiderman's coolest enemy does not make you his most threatening enemy. I say that Spiderman greatest enemies are the ones that have the best combination of brawns and criminal brains. I'd say this includes Green Goblin 2, Doc Oc, Hobgoblin, and, above all, Green Goblin 1.

You fail to understand the threat of Venom.
The guy's powers are one thing, but it's how he uses that and his Peter knowledge to torture and scare the wall crawler that puts him up so high.
Dr. Octopus is powerful, crafty, smart, and IMMENSELY dangerous, but Venom is that(not as smart, though), though he uses it not to gain in life, but to make Spiderman feel boxed in.
It's a game of psychological cat and mouse, and Spiderman's the mouse.
Mysterio can do that, but not at the same level.

[marvelfan06]

Read some 80s and 90s Lizard stories, and also read ASM #300-317. You'll see why.



You fail to understand the threat of Venom.
The guy's powers are one thing, but it's how he uses that and his Peter knowledge to torture and scare the wall crawler that puts him up so high.
Dr. Octopus is powerful, crafty, smart, and IMMENSELY dangerous, but Venom is that(not as smart, though), though he uses it not to gain in life, but to make Spiderman feel boxed in.
It's a game of psychological cat and mouse, and Spiderman's the mouse.
Mysterio can do that, but not at the same level.

Maybe, but a point back in Oc's favor is that his ability to plan a scheme with his criminal intelligence probably makes him more likely to succeed in the end. Just a thought. There are probably some Doc Oc lovers that could give a better arguement than me though. (This is actually the first time I've seen anyone argue Venom for something other than his physical power and his popularity.)
As for Lizard, I'll see if I can get back to you about those comics. If you try to argue any Spidey villain over Carnage because of their physical capabilities though, you're probably gonna lose. I know the Lizard probably gains a few points for having the death of all mammals as his goal, but he definitly loses points on his ability to scheme since his abilities to talk and think gradually slip away the longer he remains the Lizard. Anyway, we'll see.

[Keehar]

You fail to understand the threat of Venom.

That's because there is no threat. He's known Spidey's identity for nearly 20 years, now. And he's done jack with it. Same old lame stalker routine over and over.

"I'll eat your braaaaaaaaaaaaaaains" :rolleyes:

Most overrated Spidey villain ever. Sam Raimi knew it, too.

Doc Ock doesn't even know who Spidey really is, and has caused him more personal pain and misery than Brock ever has. Ock ranks high above Brock in Spidey's rogues gallery.

[Sean Whitmore]

Heya, Keehar. Took you a little while, didn't it? ;)


SEAN

[Keehar]

Heya, Keehar. Took you a little while, didn't it? ;)


SEAN

Aye, I've been away for a while, Sean. Still playing catch up.

Pity that 'Top five movie villains' thread got closed. Some interesting discussion going on there.

[Ult. Fireboy]

That is actually a pretty good list.:)

[Chris Nowlin]

Aye, I've been away for a while, Sean. Still playing catch up.

Pity that 'Top five movie villains' thread got closed. Some interesting discussion going on there.

Too bad. You could've played in the Rogues Gallery game over.

Fortunately we eliminated the overrated symbiote without you.

And I plan to see that Doc Ock wins of course

[Toku King]

That is actually a pretty good list.:)

Thank you.

[Toku King]

Too bad. You could've played in the Rogues Gallery game over.

Fortunately we eliminated the overrated symbiote without you.

And I plan to see that Doc Ock wins of course

Never! The Goblin will rule supreme!

[marvelfan06]

Aye, I've been away for a while, Sean. Still playing catch up.

Pity that 'Top five movie villains' thread got closed. Some interesting discussion going on there.

I was wondering if you'd have anything to say about this.

[Mister Mets]

Aye, I've been away for a while, Sean. Still playing catch up.

Pity that 'Top five movie villains' thread got closed. Some interesting discussion going on there.
As Toku King's top five choices on this list were in the movie, a lot of the discussion could just be repeated here.

[Keehar]

Too bad. You could've played in the Rogues Gallery game over.

Fortunately we eliminated the overrated symbiote without you.

That's what I like to hear! Good on you, guys.

And I plan to see that Doc Ock wins of course

Ock or Norman, it doesn't matter which of them win. They're both deserving villains.

I was wondering if you'd have anything to say about this.

LOL! Wow, I didn't know I'd made such an impression here :p

As Toku King's top five choices on this list were in the movie, a lot of the discussion could just be repeated here.

Ok, well my top five movie villains would be:

1. Doc Ock - What a compelling villain he was. Peter made a connection with his scientific idol, Dr Otto Octavius pre-accident, in which they bonded over discussions of science and love. Octavius was an emotionally rich character who was passionate about his love for science and his wife, Rosie. It was his own ruthless passion for his work that caused him to lose his wife. He was the perfect foil for Spider-Man in every way. His dilemma reflected Peter's perfectly, as Peter was being irresponsible in giving up being Spider-Man so he could live his dream of a normal life.
Ock was being irresponsible by doing evil things to make his dream succeed. By the end of the movie they both came full circle and accepted responsibility. Peter was able to use his connection to Octavius to help make him see the error of his ways.
Ock was visually stunning, and truly badass when he was being a villain. He let nothing and nobody stand in his way, and he didn't care who he had to hurt or kill to get what he wanted, including Peter's Aunt May and MJ. He was a threat to the entire city building his reactor of doom.
Alfred Molina was perfectly cast as Doc Ock. Couldn't have found a better actor to play the part. He was Octavius ripped from the comic book pages and put on screen.

2. Green Goblin - Willem Dafoe was the perfect Norman Osborn. Like Octavius, he had something to lose in that his company was being taken from him by greedy board members. It was Norman's desperation that led him to testing the dangerous performance enhancers on himself, and thus warping his mind and turning him into a violent, super powered psychotic.
His scenes with Harry were great, as he shunned Harry and favored Peter more as the kind of son he'd like to have. His mirror conversation with his Goblin persona is legendary, and Goblin truly made life hell for Spidey attacking Aunt May and then MJ.
The only drawback with the character was the costume, IMO. It looked silly on screen. Green plastic armour. Hardly something the military would make. Plus, the mask robbed us of the emotionally expressive face of Willem.

3. New Goblin - Harry slipped into his own style of Goblin costume and glider, and set about avenging his late father. Franco gave his best performance in SM-3. Although I found his manipulation of MJ to be ridiculous, Harry's wallowing in the misery he inflicted on Peter because of it was fantastic. That mansion fight was brutal. Right up there with the Doc Ock train fight in terms of awesomeness.
The deux ex machina regarding the butler was absolutely absurd. One of the many things I disliked about SM-3. It would have been far more compelling if after Peter left after asking Harry for his help in saving MJ, Harry realized he was in the wrong, and stood up to Norman's image in the mirror, before going to help Peter.
Harry coming to Peter's aid was great, and his death scene was very touching. A satisfying conclusion to the Goblin story.

4. Sandman - Thomas Haden Church was perfectly cast, the costume was perfect, the powers were for the most part superb. Though, I don't ever recall Sandman ever being able to fly. Sandman's birth scene was just beautiful, in how he struggles to reform his body, like a baby trying to take it's first steps.
However, too little time was spent with the character. Not nearly enough time spent with the sick daughter. He had very few lines, and half the time Church was not even on the screen. It was a flying sand storm or a cgi sand monster uttering retarded grunts and groans. He had no personality.
And the Uncle Ben connection was completely unnecessary, forced, and contrived IMO. Why Raimi feels every villain must be connected to Peter is beyond me. This connection just didn't work, IMO.

5. Venom - I had high hopes Raimi might make this character interesting and have some substance. Unfortunately, he didn't. Brock was nothing more than your stereotypical jerk. Even less time was spent with this character. I didn't connect with him, I didn't pity him, I didn't hate him. He was just.........there. A shallow, uninteresting character.
Raimi made little attempt to help the audience understand what makes this character tick, unlike with the other villains, who were all grounded with emotion in some way or another.
The church scene was completely out of left field. Brock is religious? Where was this hinted at during the movie? The Venom transformation was cool, but Venom himself was lame.
The voice sounded ridiculous, the velociraptor screeches were lame, and there is very little to crow about regarding this character. He was literally in and out. Had a little scuffle with Spidey, then was blown to smithereens. Definitely the weakest of the movie villains.

[666andahalf]

That's because there is no threat. He's known Spidey's identity for nearly 20 years, now. And he's done jack with it. Same old lame stalker routine over and over.

"I'll eat your braaaaaaaaaaaaaaains" :rolleyes:

Most overrated Spidey villain ever. Sam Raimi knew it, too.

Doc Ock doesn't even know who Spidey really is, and has caused him more personal pain and misery than Brock ever has. Ock ranks high above Brock in Spidey's rogues gallery.

Ok... yes, Ock has caused Spidey more personal pain and misery than most of Spidey's bad guys, but not Venom. Venom is the only other villain (besides Norman) to make Spider-Man be scared shit-less. The threat is that Venom could be anywhere, at anytime (even in his own home), regardless if Peter is in costume or not. And he used this to great effect by threatening MJ and taunting Peter in his own house. Venom caused not only Peter grief but caused MJ to be scared shit-less every time his name was mentioned. He's physically superior in almost every way, and therefore is one of the few foes that forces Spidey to actually outsmart the bad guy instead of... say getting close and smacking the face of a particular bad guy.

You complain about the lame stalker routine, but aren't we tired of Ock trying to become some crime boss or just stealing loads of money?! He was a much better character when he acted like a master planner (pun intended) during his world-domination phase in his white-suited 90's days. But not counting his Return/Revenge of the Sinister Six stories, Ock has always been a 1-to-2 note character. Even Paul Jenkin's notes this in his Ock/Fusion story where during the final battle with Octopus, which Spidey makes the very point of it always being about the money.

[Keehar]

Venom is the only other villain (besides Norman) to make Spider-Man be scared shit-less.

Not impressed. And here's why: He's not given Spidey much of a reason to fear him. At least Norman has killed and hurt people close to Peter.

Venom hasn't done even that. I don't know why Peter should fear him. Heck, they've even teamed up on several occasions.

The threat is that Venom could be anywhere, at anytime (even in his own home), regardless if Peter is in costume or not.And he used this to great effect by threatening MJ and taunting Peter in his own house. Venom caused not only Peter grief but caused MJ to be scared shit-less every time his name was mentioned.

Oh wow, he scared MJ once back in the 80's. Be still my heart.

This is the guy who's ranked along side Ock and Norman? The only thing Venom has going for him is his cool look and similar powers to Spidey. As a character, he's weak.

He's physically superior in almost every way, and therefore is one of the few foes that forces Spidey to actually outsmart the bad guy instead of... say getting close and smacking the face of a particular bad guy.

You could say that of several of Spidey's foes. Sandman for example. Or Morlun.

You complain about the lame stalker routine, but aren't we tired of Ock trying to become some crime boss or just stealing loads of money?!

And when was the last time Ock tried to steal money? Since when has Ock's primary focus ever been stealing money? That's Sandman's, Electro's, Scorpion's, and other two bit thug's gigs.

Ock's plans are usually scientifically based. As for the crime boss gig, he's only ever done that once. In the 70's in a war with Hammerhead.

He was a much better character when he acted like a master planner (pun intended) during his world-domination phase in his white-suited 90's days.

You mean like in Countdown? Or Negative Exposure? Where he carefully laid out schemes step by step to achieve his goals.

But not counting his Return/Revenge of the Sinister Six stories, Ock has always been a 1-to-2 note character.

No, he hasn't. And I'll gladly cite you many examples if you wish.

Even Paul Jenkin's notes this in his Ock/Fusion story where during the final battle with Octopus, which Spidey makes the very point of it always being about the money.

Then Paul Jenkins doesn't know his Spidey history. Gee, that never happens in Marvel these days, does it?

And in the Ock/Fusion story, didn't Ock manipulate and betray Fusion, stealing the scientific technology to sell it to terrorists? Very Ockesque. Manipulate, use, and betray his criminal partners, then steal all the proceeds of the scheme. Just like in the Sinister Six stories.

[Chris Nowlin]

To me Doc Ock is driven by ego, and desire for knowledge and power, not greed.

Chameleon successfully scared the hell out of MJ in that Webspinners story.

[666andahalf]

Well, Keehar, I guess it just boils down to difference of opinion. I like Venom not just because of his looks, but his character and his actions. So apparently he's got something going for him as most of the press respect him. I DO however, concede some of my points about Ock... But I still feel you fail to realize Venom's impact on Spidey and MJ (whether that be greater than Ock's or not, it's still huge and is there).

I can understand if rabid fanboyism has turned you off on the character (hell, I feel the same way about Final Fantasy VII) but you don't need to make it sound like Venom personally insulted you every time we debate this issue.

[Mister Mets]

Ok... yes, Ock has caused Spidey more personal pain and misery than most of Spidey's bad guys, but not Venom. Venom is the only other villain (besides Norman) to make Spider-Man be scared shit-less. The threat is that Venom could be anywhere, at anytime (even in his own home), regardless if Peter is in costume or not. And he used this to great effect by threatening MJ and taunting Peter in his own house. Venom caused not only Peter grief but caused MJ to be scared shit-less every time his name was mentioned. He's physically superior in almost every way, and therefore is one of the few foes that forces Spidey to actually outsmart the bad guy instead of... say getting close and smacking the face of a particular bad guy.

You complain about the lame stalker routine, but aren't we tired of Ock trying to become some crime boss or just stealing loads of money?! He was a much better character when he acted like a master planner (pun intended) during his world-domination phase in his white-suited 90's days. But not counting his Return/Revenge of the Sinister Six stories, Ock has always been a 1-to-2 note character. Even Paul Jenkin's notes this in his Ock/Fusion story where during the final battle with Octopus, which Spidey makes the very point of it always being about the money.
Despite the many times the character has been overexposed (although there are also times when his appearances are infrequent) I think Venom's a better villain than most writers give the character credit for. Unfortunately, he hasn't been used in the best possible way (scaring the shit out of Spider-Man) often, which may make him a weaker villain, as no one has yet to write a story that has done for Venom what Kraven's Last Hunt did for Kraven or The Death of Gwen Stacy did for Norman Osborn (note- I'm not suggesting the story end with Venom's death.)


To me Doc Ock is driven by ego, and desire for knowledge and power, not greed.

Chameleon successfully scared the hell out of MJ in that Webspinners story.
Chameleon never met MJ in that Webspinners story.

He did scare the hell out of Peter though.

[Chris Nowlin]

Oops. Sure she wasn't even a little scared?

[Keehar]

Well, Keehar, I guess it just boils down to difference of opinion. I like Venom not just because of his looks, but his character and his actions. So apparently he's got something going for him as most of the press respect him. I DO however, concede some of my points about Ock... But I still feel you fail to realize Venom's impact on Spidey and MJ (whether that be greater than Ock's or not, it's still huge and is there).

Fair enough, dude.

Different strokes for different folks.

I can understand if rabid fanboyism has turned you off on the character (hell, I feel the same way about Final Fantasy VII) but you don't need to make it sound like Venom personally insulted you every time we debate this issue.

Sorry, it was not my intention to make it sound like that.

As for the rabid fanboyism, yes, that can be annoying. Especially when Venom is declared Spidey's greatest foe by some, when nothing could be further from the truth.

It makes you wonder how many of these fanboys actually read the source material.

[Chris Nowlin]

It makes you wonder how many of these fanboys actually read the source material.

Hey! Everybody's read Maximum Carnage!

What else do you need?

[brundlefly]

Despite the many times the character has been overexposed (although there are also times when his appearances are infrequent) I think Venom's a better villain than most writers give the character credit for. Unfortunately, he hasn't been used in the best possible way (scaring the shit out of Spider-Man) often, which may make him a weaker villain, as no one has yet to write a story that has done for Venom what Kraven's Last Hunt did for Kraven or The Death of Gwen Stacy did for Norman Osborn (note- I'm not suggesting the story end with Venom's death.)


I've always really liked the idea of Venom (Spidey's symbiote costume merges with a twisted psychotic who hates Peter); it's the details that everyone seems to love (the ballooned-up cartoonish physique, the drooling giant tongue, the stupid one-liners and dialogue) that turn me off and make me think of him as a buffoon compared to the likes of Doc Ock or the A-list Goblins (Norman, Harry, Kingsley). Still, in Venom's introduction in ASM, where he appeared in the shadows and MJ thought he was Peter until the evil grin spread over the black mask and she screamed, was awesome. But his portrayals just kept getting campier and never regained that level of terror. A Last Hunt or Death of Gwen Stacy-style revamp story, to make him truly scary and relevant again like that he was in that moment, would be a great thing. I'd recommend that whoever writes it also ditches the aforementioned sillier elements of the character in the process.

[Chris Nowlin]

Amazing Spider-Man 300 is an excellent comic.

[Keehar]

Hey! Everybody's read Maximum Carnage!

What else do you need?

Maximum Carnage? One of the worst Spidey stories ever. 14 issues of mindless violence. And Spidey and Venom teamed up in that.

So, I need ALOT more than that.

[Chris Nowlin]

Maximum Carnage? One of the worst Spidey stories ever. 14 issues of mindless violence. And Spidey and Venom teamed up in that.

So, I need ALOT more than that.

pfffft.

Apparently it went over your head

[Sean Whitmore]

Oops. Sure she wasn't even a little scared?

The Chameleon/MJ thing actually happened in a Spectacular Spidey shortly before that Webspinners.

And I'd say MJ was scared. She was afraid she might have killed Chameleon with that bat and would be taken away for manslaughter.


SEAN

[Chris Nowlin]

The Chameleon/MJ thing actually happened in a Spectacular Spidey shortly before that Webspinners.

And I'd say MJ was scared. She was afraid she might have killed Chameleon with that bat and would be taken away for manslaughter.


SEAN

I musta mixed them up a bit...


OK, you've caught me.


I've never read Spider-Man before. I just like to pretend I know what I'm talking about.

*sob*

[Sean Whitmore]

I musta mixed them up a bit...


OK, you've caught me.


I've never read Spider-Man before. I just like to pretend I know what I'm talking about.

*sob*

You should read it, it's fun. He shoots webs and everything.


SEAN

[Keehar]

pfffft.

Apparently it went over your head

And how kind of you to enlighten me on how it did :rolleyes:

[Mikl C]

1. Delilah
2. Delilah
3. Delilah
4. Delilah
5. Delilah
6. Delilah
7. Delilah
8. Delilah
9. Delilah
10. Delilah
11. Delilah
12. Delilah
13. Delilah
14. Stunner
15. White Rabbit

[Chris Nowlin]

I'm mostly with you, but I'm not sure about your #7 or your #11

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm mostly with you, but I'm not sure about your #7 or your #11

That reminds me, I need to pick up milk on the way home.


SEAN

[marvelfan06]

[QUOTE=Keehar;5089721]
You could say that of several of Spidey's foes. Sandman for example. Or Morlun.[/QUOTEJ

Just want to add Rhino, Carnage, and Scorpion to that list. (Not that I didn't see you were just giving examples.) Those three, and Sandman, seem to me to have Spidey beat by even more than Venom.

[Froggy]

3. Dr. Octopus
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/2/22/DoctorOctopus(Octavius)_Head.jpg
Name: Dr. Otto Octavius/Octavious(depends on the writer)
Why He's 3: Otto Octavius was one of the leading scientists in radioactive testing and expiramental works. To further his accomplishments, he created four mechanical arms to give him the ability to mess with elements man could never touch with their own hands. During a testing of these "Smart Arms", an explosion went off, destroying the lab, and possibly Otto. While in the hospital, Otto is found to have had serious brain damage. While his intelligence was intact(possibly heightened), his sanity and compassion for his fellow man was gone. Now telepathically controlling his super powerful "tentacles", Dr. Octopus believed that he was the greatest form of life, and deserved only the best.
The now evil Dr. Octopus spread a wave of crime everywhere, doing as he pleased and never minding the health of others.
Otto is actually the first villain to beat Spiderman one on one with no tricks. After encouragement from the Human Torch, Spiderman came back for a rematch and won by a hair.
That was not it, though. No matter what, Dr. Octopus would constantly be causing the deaths of innocent lives in his personal gain or plotting to kill Spiderman. With all of those, he is almost always virtually successful, or close to it.
With the intellect of a thousand scientists, almost unmatchable strength with each mechanical arm, and insane determination to murder the wallcrawler, Dr. Octopus exceeds the others by proving that brains over brawns is one thing, but having just enough of both makes you worse than a guy who ripped Spiderman's eye out.
he even got a chubby ocko picture!

shweeeeet

like the list only problem is....how can you forget, the awesomeness that is.............LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTER?

[Nosgoth Phantom]

he even got a chubby ocko picture!

shweeeeet

like the list only problem is....how can you forget, the awesomeness that is.............LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTER?

Love the character, but Doc Ock always reminds me of Elton John. They look so much alike.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/elton.jpg

[Sean Whitmore]

Love the character but Doc Ock always reminds me of Elton John. They look so much alike. Especially in that picture.

If I was a doctor...
But then again, no


SEAN

[Froggy]

Love the character, but Doc Ock always reminds me of Elton John. They look so much alike.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/elton.jpg
I never realized that..maybe THATS why aunt may fell for him?

[Toku King]

Update(I know, it's a little late): I have switched numbers 5 and 4 around, and have added a Shining Moment piece to each villain's profile.

[Alan2099]

Mysterio defintely needs to be ranked higher. As for your comments on his silly design, I think his design shows exactly what he is. He's a walking special effect, a character that's bizarre even to look at.

J Jonah Jameson. Really he isn't quite the same as the other villians here. On a list like this, he iether needs to be excluded or number 1. Jameson has had a far greater impact on Spidey's life than any of these other people and has turned the town against him from day 1.

Jackal, ... well, he did have a huge major long lastic storyline, bt it's one most people including Marvel don't even talk about anymore. I don't think he really dersves his spot.

Morlun, get this goth-poser Morbius wannabe off the list. Now.

As for the top 3, I'd put Venom in the third spot and favor Dr. Octopus over Green Goblin. Norman loses points simply for his complete overexposure to the point where him behing behind a storyline comes off almost as much a parody as it does a plot revelation.

[Toku King]

Mysterio defintely needs to be ranked higher. As for your comments on his silly design, I think his design shows exactly what he is. He's a walking special effect, a character that's bizarre even to look at.

Did I say I didn't like it? No. And he's fine as 15.

J Jonah Jameson. Really he isn't quite the same as the other villians here. On a list like this, he iether needs to be excluded or number 1. Jameson has had a far greater impact on Spidey's life than any of these other people and has turned the town against him from day 1.

Did he kill a Stacey? Did he eat Peter's eye? Did he break into Pete's house and attack Mary Jane? Did he murder thousands of people?

Jackal, ... well, he did have a huge major long lastic storyline, bt it's one most people including Marvel don't even talk about anymore. I don't think he really dersves his spot.

So what? The Clone saga was still a major play in the Spidey universe, and no one denies that.

Morlun, get this goth-poser Morbius wannabe off the list. Now.

Once again, ate Spidey's eye, and is almost unbeatable.

As for the top 3, I'd put Venom in the third spot and favor Dr. Octopus over Green Goblin. Norman loses points simply for his complete overexposure to the point where him behing behind a storyline comes off almost as much a parody as it does a plot revelation.

You're playing favorites, something I did not do.

[brundlefly]

Mysterio defintely needs to be ranked higher. As for your comments on his silly design, I think his design shows exactly what he is. He's a walking special effect, a character that's bizarre even to look at.

J Jonah Jameson. Really he isn't quite the same as the other villians here. On a list like this, he iether needs to be excluded or number 1. Jameson has had a far greater impact on Spidey's life than any of these other people and has turned the town against him from day 1.

Jackal, ... well, he did have a huge major long lastic storyline, bt it's one most people including Marvel don't even talk about anymore. I don't think he really dersves his spot.

Morlun, get this goth-poser Morbius wannabe off the list. Now.

As for the top 3, I'd put Venom in the third spot and favor Dr. Octopus over Green Goblin. Norman loses points simply for his complete overexposure to the point where him behing behind a storyline comes off almost as much a parody as it does a plot revelation.

Or, alternatively, you could make your own list...:D

Just messing. And I agree with your points about Morlun, Mysterio, and Norman.

Great Spidey-villain list, Tofu. I need to do one of these myself eventually.

[Toku King]

My list changed a little in the edit, so the new top 15:

15. Mysterio
14. Scorpion
13. Electro
12. Jackal
11. J. Jonah Jameson
10. Kingpin
9. Morlun
8. Carnage
7. Lizard
6. Hobgoblin
5. Sandman
4. Green Goblin II
3. Dr. Octopus
2. Venom
1. Green Goblin

[cpahl2000]

My list is:

15-Kraven
14-Lizard
13-Carnage
12-Shocker
11-Black cat
10-Jackal
9-Venom
8-Tarantula
7-Hobglobin
6-Mysterio
5-Doc octopus
4-Green globin
3-Steve Wacker
2-JMS
1-Joe Quesada

[Toku King]

My list is:

15-Kraven
14-Lizard
13-Carnage
12-Shocker
11-Black cat
10-Jackal
9-Venom
8-Tarantula
7-Hobglobin
6-Mysterio
5-Doc octopus
4-Green globin
3-Steve Wacker
2-JMS
1-Joe Quesada

This is why you don't get a thread.

[Alan2099]

Did he kill a Stacey? Did he eat Peter's eye? Did he break into Pete's house and attack Mary Jane? Did he murder thousands of people?
Then let's add Kulan Gath to the list. He tortured Peter, had him crusified, took over Manhattan and rewrote the history of the entire city so that it was under his control and hated Peter. That's more than Morlun has done.

You're playing favorites, something I did not do.
Sure you do. Don't try and fool yourself.

Did he kill a Stacey? Did he eat Peter's eye? Did he break into Pete's house and attack Mary Jane? Did he murder thousands of people?
Didn't need to. He's made Spidey's life more of ahell than anyone else has. Plus he's funded the creation of several supervillians that still plague Spidey to this day. Plus he gets under Peter's skin in a way that he can't do anything about. He hasn't caused him the most physical damage, but he's caused him the most grief. he's pretty much the main reason people don't trust Spidey in the city and his skinflint paychecks have pretty much ensured Peter never gets a real chance to move up.

[Toku King]

Sure you do. Don't try and fool yourself.

And yet I put Morlun and Carnage on the list, both who are characters I can't stand. Right. I smell some bs. :rolleyes:

[Toku King]

Then let's add Kulan Gath to the list. He tortured Peter, had him crusified, took over Manhattan and rewrote the history of the entire city so that it was under his control and hated Peter. That's more than Morlun has done.

Didn't crucify him, not in continuity, and not his villain.