WORLD WAR HULK #1 (Spoilers)

[jackolover]

Merged these thread together since they're all talking about pretty much the same thing.

No real reason for multiple review threads.

Hey Mike Smash! When are we able to submit posts of the actual WWH #1? I've read it and I'm champing at the bit.

[CMBMOOL]

Hey Mike Smash! When are we able to submit posts of the actual WWH #1? I've read it and I'm champing at the bit.


Beside if you can't do it here, then there's always wiki. :o

[MongoSlade]

Without spoiling it, my grades:

Story --- A
Artwork -- B (take out the great coloring job, and it's a C+)

And already, this issue has more 'action' than the first 3 issues of last summer's Civil War.

[MongoSlade]

please remove.

[Baltho08]

Yeah, based off this issue alone, I can confidently say I think I'm going to like this event a lot. I'm wary of Earth-based comics after CW, but this looks good. With Annihilation: Conquest and WWH things are shaping up to make this one of the better overall years Marvel's had in a while, imo. Last year had Annihilation, but that was about it. Hopefully, the momentum keeps up. On another note, did anyone else find it strange they were undoing CW so quickly in this issue? Tony Stark grants a full pardon to any unregistered hero, as long as they help fight the Hulk, which they all were probably going to do anyways. Hmmmm...
Peace.

[jeffmace]

Bought it, read it, LOVED it, can't stop reading it.

GO HULK!!!!

[SnakeEater]

I didnt know where to ask this question so ill ask here.
I thought this book was actually pretty good. i never liked the hulk, and even though everyone said Planet Hulk was a must read i just decided against it even though it was a semi tie-in to Civil War. I bought everything Civil War and i was furious because all i really needed to satisfy my taste for that series were the Amazing Spidey issues and the wolverine issues, otherwise i actually got really ticked off and tossed out everything other then the core and those other 2 titles.
Now my question is, with WWH will i be missing anything if i avoid every other title? I was reading the end of this issue and saw the Hulk books and the Frontline series and thought they were interesting enough but should i just go the route of the limited series or get other nonsense for it to?

[Brian M.]

Loved it. Loved the art, loved the Hulk. The fight between him and Tony was great. Espically the "You killed her" line to Tony. Wonderful stuff.

[PatchMadripoor]

can we get some more detailed reviews? Spoilers even?

I am about to go to lunch and I am craving me a whole sixpack of Hulk Whoppin' Ass on Black Bolt and Iron Man.

[CaptainCanada]

can we get some more detailed reviews? Spoilers even?

I posted a complete summary here. (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7782494&an=0&page=0#Post7782494)

Despite my early intention of avoiding this event, I bought it; but I resolve to buy nothing outside of the main series. I've never had much interest in the Hulk as a character. He oftens comes across as fairly one-dimensional. In this story, so far, the most interesting parts are given to the heroes on the ground, especially Iron Man, who is to most eyes the villain of the piece.

Speaking of that, the pacing of this issue surprised me (in a good way). I (along with most people, I imagine) thought that Iron Man would be the end-boss of this Event, and that Hulk wouldn't get to him until the last issue; but, by the end of this, both Black Bolt (physically, the most powerful of the Illuminati) and Iron Man have been taken down. That leaves only Reed (and I'm really not sure what he would do; I suppose he always has the power of Science) and Doctor Strange. Speaking of Strange, his refusal to just send the Hulk away is somewhat contrived (like most times he gets involved in a story); why does sending him away entail sending him to an inhabited world? Transport him to the Illuminati's original destination, and cast a spell to keep him there; think, "stupid magician." Anyway, I'll be very interested to see how they handle Hulk vs. Strange, because, on the face of it, there's no way the Hulk could win.

One other thing I'll mention is the way the odds are stacked in this story. Normally, the heroes are set up as the underdogs; in this story, by the writer's own admission, the Hulk is meant to be so powerful that it's a mystery how the Illuminati could ever beat him. Many readers want to set this up with the Hulk as an unquestioned good guy, but, even forgetting about some of the things he does in this issue (like threatening to kill everyone on Earth), the fact that the Illuminati are the underdogs in this story quite frankly makes them closer to the traditional heroes of an Event.

Romita's art didn't impress me. Too cartoony. The fights didn't have much oomph.

[Deadpooligan]

I didn't like how Black Bolt got his ass kicked off panel.

And I also have more respect for Iron Man now than ever before.

Whatta speech. *tears*

Just a great epic issue. Can't wait for some o' those tie ins. (But my wallet can... yoiks.)

[ShaggyB]

I didn't like how Black Bolt got his ass kicked off panel.

And I also have more respect for Iron Man now than ever before.

Whatta speech. *tears*

Just a great epic issue. Can't wait for some o' those tie ins. (But my wallet can... yoiks.)

agreed black bolt going down off panel only works if its shown elsewere. heres what i wish they did.

Incredible hulk book should be about the battles that are off panel
She Hulk should be about her, the kid and hulks earth friends

just my thoughts though

also strange vs hulk will be a really quick battle in that hulk will know it has to be done fast or hes gonna be turned "into a newt"

[Red Lotus]

I posted a complete summary here. (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7782494&an=0&page=0#Post7782494)

Despite my early intention of avoiding this event, I bought it; but I resolve to buy nothing outside of the main series. I've never had much interest in the Hulk as a character. He oftens comes across as fairly one-dimensional. In this story, so far, the most interesting parts are given to the heroes on the ground, especially Iron Man, who is to most eyes the villain of the piece.
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Wow great point. This is pretty much how I feel about the Hulk and the event.

I will give Pak credit, he did a great job writing Iron Man. Stark wasn't the bad guy who Hulk fans wanted him to be and in this issue he came off as more of a hero then the Hulk did. He took full responsibility for whats going on, but at the same time he was defiant in his resolve that what he did was the right thing to do.

[Ravenheart]

Really enjoyed the first issue alot and can't wait for the next issue.

SPOILER......














Loved the shot of Hulk holding up Black Bolt and showing him to everyone.

[ShaggyB]

Wow great point. This is pretty much how I feel about the Hulk and the event.

I will give Pak credit, he did a great job writing Iron Man. Stark wasn't the bad guy who Hulk fans wanted him to be and in this issue he came off as more of a hero then the Hulk did. He took full responsibility for whats going on, but at the same time he was defiant in his resolve that what he did was the right thing to do.

its called arrogance. Dont get me wrong i love the iron man book and tony's character but he came off as a dick. more of yeah i killed your wife and kid and planet but i did it for everyone here. (remains to be seen how it all plays out but...)

He got smashed as he should

[CMBMOOL]

I posted a complete summary here. (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7782494&an=0&page=0#Post7782494)

Despite my early intention of avoiding this event, I bought it; but I resolve to buy nothing outside of the main series. I've never had much interest in the Hulk as a character. He oftens comes across as fairly one-dimensional. In this story, so far, the most interesting parts are given to the heroes on the ground, especially Iron Man, who is to most eyes the villain of the piece.

Speaking of that, the pacing of this issue surprised me (in a good way). I (along with most people, I imagine) thought that Iron Man would be the end-boss of this Event, and that Hulk wouldn't get to him until the last issue; but, by the end of this, both Black Bolt (physically, the most powerful of the Illuminati) and Iron Man have been taken down. That leaves only Reed (and I'm really not sure what he would do; I suppose he always has the power of Science) and Doctor Strange. Speaking of Strange, his refusal to just send the Hulk away is somewhat contrived (like most times he gets involved in a story); why does sending him away entail sending him to an inhabited world? Transport him to the Illuminati's original destination, and cast a spell to keep him there; think, "stupid magician." Anyway, I'll be very interested to see how they handle Hulk vs. Strange, because, on the face of it, there's no way the Hulk could win.

One other thing I'll mention is the way the odds are stacked in this story. Normally, the heroes are set up as the underdogs; in this story, by the writer's own admission, the Hulk is meant to be so powerful that it's a mystery how the Illuminati could ever beat him. Many readers want to set this up with the Hulk as an unquestioned good guy, but, even forgetting about some of the things he does in this issue (like threatening to kill everyone on Earth), the fact that the Illuminati are the underdogs in this story quite frankly makes them closer to the traditional heroes of an Event.

Romita's art didn't impress me. Too cartoony. The fights didn't have much oomph.

First off thanks for the summary. :D

Scondly, I hate to admit it but Tony is earning some redemption in this first issue:

1. He admits he got rid of the Hulk

2. He bravely face off with the Hulk

3. While the Speech to me was just for show, at least he man enough to admit he was a bit wrong.

However, He STILL THINKS that after this is over, that the New Avengers will give up. :mad:

Man, is he that thick headed to know that when this is over he in BIG trouble with them ? :(

Man, are the Avengers (Mighty and New), She-Hulk, Fantastic Four, and Samson, are in BIG TROUBLE, next issue....:evilsmile

[MongoSlade]

Romita's art didn't impress me. Too cartoony.
I thought it was Strain's ink job that made it come across as "cartoony" -- but nonetheless, it was quite cartoony.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I thought that the issue was great and cannot wait for the series to continue.:D

[Kefky]

Loved the issue.

2 things:

Anyone dissing JRJr's art needs a pair of glasses. Or a new one. :D

My only problem with the issue was the way the subject of the bomb was simply ignored. I expected some kind of reaction, from someone, indicating whether the Illuminati did it or not. Anyone else bothered by that?


Anyway, good stuff, want more. :D

[Camron Amaya]

A Good start. Alot more action and stuff has happend then a first issue usualy allowes.

The art is ok in some panels and great in others lol Some look rushed. Good though.

Iron Man's whole thing was nicely done.

And I'm thinkingmthe Black Bolt fight will be shown elsewhere. Incredible Hulk 107? 108?


but he looked MESSED UP lol

[Alpow]

That speech made Tony seem like a right tool, he was playing the poor little martyr.

Everything I do I do it for you... bletch.

He was far more heroic in his own book last week, here he just made a lame and inappropriate speech in addition to trying to con the basket case into "helping" the Hulk.

Apart from that though the book was ok but nothing too spectacular.

[Magneto Rocks]

Loved the issue.
My only problem with the issue was the way the subject of the bomb was simply ignored. I expected some kind of reaction, from someone, indicating whether the Illuminati did it or not. Anyone else bothered by that?


Seems kinda obvious though. If Hulk brought it up to them, then they'd answer and we'd know once and for all if they did it which is clearly something Pak wants to preserve until the end.

All I can say is it sure as HELL better not be the (NA31 spoilers) Skrulls!

Will read tomorrow and give opinion.

[PatchMadripoor]

Really enjoyed the first issue alot and can't wait for the next issue.

SPOILER......














Loved the shot of Hulk holding up Black Bolt and showing him to everyone.

Anyone scan this yet?

[Red Lotus]

Loved the issue.

2 things:

Anyone dissing JRJr's art needs a pair of glasses. Or a new one. :D

My only problem with the issue was the way the subject of the bomb was simply ignored. I expected some kind of reaction, from someone, indicating whether the Illuminati did it or not. Anyone else bothered by that?


Anyway, good stuff, want more. :D


No not yet. That’s something to save till the end so when it turns out that (some how) the Hulk turned back into Banner. Then Bruce knowing the Hulk is at peace rigged the ship to blow because he wanted to keep the Hulk on Sakaar. Then after finding this out the Hulk will start hitting his self in the face till he passes out.

[spidervenom]

I thought the first issue was pretty good and I am looking forward to the next issue since it will be alot more hulk smackdown.

[Omega Alpha]

Very good issue. Both Hulk and Iron Man have clear reasons to be fighting, and their views are understandable, but they both still don't look good. If Civil War was about heroes fighting with both sides being right in one way or the other, WWH is about everyone being wrong.

The only disappointing thing is the fight with Black Bolt, which should have been longer and not happened off-panel.

[Jared_Humpherys]

For a hyped Marvel event, the story didn't appear decompressed in the least. And Tony actually came out looking the better for his appearance here. Good action, good art, and a pretty good stor so far.

If subsequent issues are able to maintain this level of quality, I think I'll be quite the happy camper.

[MakeshiftHero]

I'm a bit confused about how She Hulk got her powers back. The soda that Chow gave her in Hulk was only temporary and I thought those nano bots were supposed to be permenant. Can anyone explain this? Did Iron Man agree to take them out of her off pannel and before this?

[MajinShenron]

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9237/blackboltowneddr4.jpg

Not sure how he generated enough power to defeat Blackbolt... But here it is. Blackbolt OWNED.

[drwho]

After reading this I was somewhat disappointed. I kind of felt like Hulk had no personality here, no charisma, and he was kind of robotic in his dialog. Which that really surprises me since Pak penned the whole Planet Hulk storyline. For some reason Hulk just seems off to me in this issue. I'd have to say it gets a 3 out of 5. I also was confused with She Hulk having powers and hanging out with the other heroes.

[Nate Palm]

You reap what you sow, Tony.

[Yaw]

Seems kinda obvious though. If Hulk brought it up to them, then they'd answer and we'd know once and for all if they did it which is clearly something Pak wants to preserve until the end.

All I can say is it sure as HELL better not be the (NA31 spoilers) Skrulls!

Will read tomorrow and give opinion.

I haven't read NA 31 yeT! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

FIX YOUR SPOILER TAG BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING!!!

[Young Avenger]

Brought the first issue today and I was not disappointed. Great art, great action, and some decent dialogue. I wonder if Namor will get involved in this event. When did She-Hulk get her powers back? Did I miss something?

[jackolover]

Congratulations to Greg Pak on keeping the pace and strain in the story for the whole issue. Faced paced, non-stop, and maybe a little thin on detail, but the action smooths over any shortcomings, because when Hulk dragged out the beaten husk of Black Bolt, (which looked like road-kill), it sent shivers.

Most of the plot moved on too quickly, with Manhattan abandoned in a few panels or pages, and then Iron Mans eventful failure in destroying Hulk, followed by being crunched in Avengers Tower. (And no Sentry)

I was very impressed with John Romita's rendition of the Hulk-buster suit that hit Hulk through buildings.

Hulk made no effort to talk to Tony or Black Bolt. Mind you, Tony tried to Nuke Hulk in Cetral Park, so....

But Hulk did introduce Warbound to the Human population, so earth knows he is not alone. And Doc Strange has basically eliminated Magic interference to get rid of Hulk. It's just like letting one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse loose on the planet.

It's not stated how She-Hulk got her green back, or why she's on Samsons side. She cries out when the missiles are fired into the Hulk, but doesn't go to see if he's alright.

It answered thw question , in WWH #1, of it the Hulk was a reasonable man. He isn't. But certainly Hulk was emphatic with BB and IM when he comfronted them both. There is really nothing for anybody to do. Sentrys not going to risk smashing all Hulks bones again, so he'll pass on any confrontation. In fact, Pak gave us the weakest Sentry I've seen. Bob acted like a drug adled 10 year old, and Reeds behaviour, after manipulating Sentry into action, was maniacal.

The most powerful of the ailluminati are gone. Doc Strange can't be touched. Reed Richards will get his day in the sun in WWH #2 as the cover shows, but I see his genius avoiding capture and able to rig a foil to keep the Hulk at bay.

Finches cover is spectacular in real life. (You'll notice in the promo pics of the cover, you see the moon behind the Hulk, but on the book, the WWH logo blocks it out, and you just see a bit in the L-K gap. Also, the Finch/Miki signatures are bloked out by the price bar box)

Where CW had this urgency about friends dealing in this unusual way, WWH's urgency is the overwhelming menace to the MU, that even Onslaught never achieved. The two savage encounters with BB and IM played much too fast. Hopefully, we see more detail in other books, like IH 107 and IM 19.

[Pendaran]

I'm going to have to disagree with some posts and say I liked the art. Romita generally does good fight scenes, and he did them here quite nicely as far as Tony vs the Hulk. If the series is mostly, hopefully, just going to be a bunch of fights, you can do worse than Romita as an artist. I was highly suprised at Tony coming off as somewhat heroic considering his more usual writing, but when the other guy is making supervillain style threats about killing humanity unless he gets what he wants, I suppose Tony would almost have to come off that way.

Though related to my liking of Romita's art here, is a complaint at not seeing the Hulk/Bolt fight, that seems like a heavy waste, considering Pak's buildup to it in one of his interviews. Did being near Attilan matter? Did the Warbound do anything in it like they hinted at in the prologue? Bleh, we'll never know for it being off panel. I'll hope they mean to show it later somewhere.

[Xanrn]

You reap what you sow, Hulk.

I have waited weeks for the end to that Black Bolt vs Hulk fight.

What do I get, some lame arse off screen bullcrap.

[jackolover]

Seems kinda obvious though. If Hulk brought it up to them, then they'd answer and we'd know once and for all if they did it which is clearly something Pak wants to preserve until the end.

All I can say is it sure as HELL better not be the (NA31 spoilers) Skrulls!

Will read tomorrow and give opinion.

I hope not too.

I think Hulk is collecting. Once he has the 4 Illuminat hanging fron nails on a wall, then he'll ask them questions about the bomb on Sakaar.

[thronzeblast]

I'm going to have to disagree with some posts and say I liked the art. Romita generally does good fight scenes, and he did them here quite nicely as far as Tony vs the Hulk. If the series is mostly, hopefully, just going to be a bunch of fights, you can do worse than Romita as an artist. I was highly suprised at Tony coming off as somewhat heroic considering his more usual writing, but when the other guy is making supervillain style threats about killing humanity unless he gets what he wants, I suppose Tony would almost have to come off that way.

Though related to my liking of Romita's art here, is a complaint at not seeing the Hulk/Bolt fight, that seems like a heavy waste, considering Pak's buildup to it in one of his interviews. Did being near Attilan matter? Did the Warbound do anything in it like they hinted at in the prologue? Bleh, we'll never know for it being off panel. I'll hope they mean to show it later somewhere.



I am actually happy they did not show the hulk\blackbolt fight in that issue,as i believe every page was needed for the ironman\hulk rumble.I do believe they will show it in later issue i mean come on blackbolt is in the top 3-4 most powerful people on the planet.He was beaten to a bloody pulp.Im thinking it's gonna need more that a couple of panel's to make this fight believable.

[CMBMOOL]

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9237/blackboltowneddr4.jpg

Not sure how he generated enough power to defeat Blackbolt... But here it is. Blackbolt OWNED.

I'm SPEECH LESS by that picture. :eek:

[TheCrisisKid]

I didn't think the pro's and anti's would work together so quickly. I mean, it was just last week when IM sent a group of bad guys to hunt down Spidey and now Spidey and the entire anti-reg avengers are taking orders from IM? That's pretty weird. You'd think you might see some like Spidey helping NY since he lives there and stuff, but I assumed that most of the other ones would just be sitting back and laughing at the beating IM is about to get.

[MakeshiftHero]

I wish that Hulk would get rid of his "tiara." Either that or get a matching set of ear rings and a nice dress to go with it.

[Sean Whitmore]

Wow. I must admit, my thoughts about this event have leaned more towards apathetic, but this first issue changed that. Great art, great writing. I can't wait to see what happens next.

I especially can't wait to see what Sentry's "word" with Tony was about. That was a pretty serious look on Sentry's face...looked like Bob Got His Groove Back.

I'm gonna go against the grain and say having the Hulk/Black Bolt fight end off panel was the best way to go. It was a way to get to the important part of the story (the fact that Hulk was using Bolt's defeat as a way to scare the crap out of everyone) without "disrespecting" Black Bolt, or making him "job", or whatever the current term is for that complaint. Because this way, we have no idea how long the fight went on, we have no idea how well each man fought, and we have no idea how close it was. With Hulk's healing factor, he could have been missing an arm five minutes before making that broadcast.


SEAN

[beetheb]

I hope not too.

I think Hulk is collecting. Once he has the 4 Illuminat hanging fron nails on a wall, then he'll ask them questions about the bomb on Sakaar.Excellent point. I'm thinking somewhat the same thing, considering they touted one of the later IH issues (was it #110?) by saying Amadeus Cho loses his faith in Hulk when he see's what Hulk has stashed under Madison Square garden.

I'm thinking that Cho seeing a Half dead/dead Illuminati under MSG either being tortured or suffering would be pretty jarring.

[Sean Whitmore]

I assumed that most of the other ones would just be sitting back and laughing at the beating IM is about to get.

You did?

Why? :confused:

Certainly doesn't sound like something they'd do.


SEAN

[MakeshiftHero]

Excellent point. I'm thinking somewhat the same thing, considering they touted one of the later IH issues (was it #110?) by saying Amadeus Cho loses his faith in Hulk when he see's what Hulk has stashed under Madison Square garden.

I'm thinking that Cho seeing a Half dead/dead Illuminati under MSG either being tortured or suffering would be pretty jarring.

I bet Hulk sets up some kind of huge bomb in MSG to pay them back for blowing up his town back on the other planet. Thats why he gave them a 24 hour evacuation notice because he doesn't want to kill innocent people he just wants to get his revenge on the Illuminati and take out the city.

[Sean Whitmore]

I bet Hulk sets up some kind of huge bomb in MSG to pay them back for blowing up his town back on the other planet. Thats why he gave them a 24 hour evacuation notice because he doesn't want to kill innocent people he just wants to get his revenge on the Illuminati and take out the city.

If it was just blowing up the empty city, though, would Cho even care? He doesn't seem particularly above mass destruction.


SEAN

[TransformersFan]

I thought that this was a-m-a-z-i-n-g! 10x better than CW. The whole time during CW I was waiting for an assault on Avengers Tower, and I finnaly got it in WWH 1. My mouth dropped during the sequence where the Sentry Watchtower crumbles and collapses through Avengers tower.

Can anyone scan that sequences for me and put it up?

Ive never been a fan of JrJr until today. His pencils were well complimented by the colouring.

Question: Anyone think that by the end of this series we will see the end of the division between Marvel heroes. I mean, it was nice to finnaly see the NA and MA working together, like old times...

[TheCrisisKid]

Let's see. IM hunts them down. Throws them in jail. The Hulk comes to earth and says that he is going to kick IM's butt. Maybe I could see them helping evacuate the city, but when it comes down to it, it's IM's fight, not Spidey's or Luke Cage's. But in this issue, they forget about the endless bad things IM did to their comrades and the entire bill that makes their fighting illegal and go to help IM fight the Hulk. Sounds like they all forgot what had been going down recently and just recently, CA's death. Remember this. If CA hadn't been captured and taken to court, CA might still be alive.

The Hulk had no plans to hurt uninvolved people. That is why he told the city to clear out. Why act like the Hulk is going to destroy everything and everyone and gather all the heroes together if the Hulk just wants to beat the crap out of a chosen few?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

[GreatLakesAvenger]

Heh, one of the sound effects says "bathroom."
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116477

[MakeshiftHero]

If it was just blowing up the empty city, though, would Cho even care? He doesn't seem particularly above mass destruction.


SEAN

I'm sure Cho would care. To him Hulk is nothing less of a hero and can do no wrong. If anyone saw their personal hero bombing an evacuated major city, doing drugs, stealing doing something unjust, that person would begin to think twice about his/her role model and would begin to see them in another way. Cho being one of the seven smartest people on the planet, I'm sure he can realize that "eye for an eye" isn't always the right path to take.

[Mike Smash!]

Okay, we have an official review thread here now, just to end confusion.

(By the way, folks... don't be afraid to start a thread on a new issue. You don't need my permission. :) )

[Sean Whitmore]

But in this issue, they forget about the endless bad things IM did to their comrades and the entire bill that makes their fighting illegal and go to help IM fight the Hulk.

Let me think for a sec....yep, sounds like something super heroes might do.


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

I thought this issue was great. I'm of two-minds on the Black Bolt fight but ultimately think Pak made the right call. I'm just not opposed to more action scenes drawn by John Romita Jr. :)

The Iron Man fight is the main star of the show. And it's one of the best Hulk fights I have ever seen. JR jr. really did up his game from the Hulk/ Abomination battle he drew a few years back.

Bring on more action. More Rick Jones. More Hulk smashing!

[TheCrisisKid]

But it's not realistic. I thought that was the direction the comics were going. Well I guess large racks of the females and every hero having a 6-pack is kind of in the opposite direction, but still!

Why even have events like Civil War if they are just going to forget about it whenever the next big crisis happens?

[Ontrop]

Fantastic issue! I have no complaints.
Black Bolt defeated "off screen" - No problem,
"Cartoony art" - Not i my eyes.

[Syzygy]

No not yet. That’s something to save till the end so when it turns out that (some how) the Hulk turned back into Banner. Then Bruce knowing the Hulk is at peace rigged the ship to blow because he wanted to keep the Hulk on Sakaar. Then after finding this out the Hulk will start hitting his self in the face till he passes out.

This actually makes sense to me, minus the last sentence, which I take to be facetious.

If this turns out to be the case, then you've spoiled the event for me, and I'm going to have to challenge you to a duel.

As the challenged party, you may determine whether we are to fight with pistols or swords....;)

[Sean Whitmore]

Why even have events like Civil War if they are just going to forget about it whenever the next big crisis happens?

It's not forgotten, they all mentioned it. It's just that Strange and Peter are not nine-year-olds, so when the Hulk comes to town talking about "Evacuate your city, I'm gonna smash these guys", they can side with guys they hate for the greater good.


SEAN

[Quicksilver1]

I am actually happy they did not show the hulk\blackbolt fight in that issue,as i believe every page was needed for the ironman\hulk rumble.I do believe they will show it in later issue i mean come on blackbolt is in the top 3-4 most powerful people on the planet.He was beaten to a bloody pulp.Im thinking it's gonna need more that a couple of panel's to make this fight believable.

What are you talking about? I saw like a thin stream of blood coming from his mouth? Thats not a bloody pulp.

[venom41]

great issue..i loved it.i was so excited for this and i wasnt dissappointed

[gunz]

fantastic issue, worth the wait, and for once i'm actually excited for a marvel mini-series (till I read New Avengers #31 and now i just fear what marvel is going to do). Number two is going to be awesome.

Two questions:

1) did he actually kill black bolt, or jsut smash him, cause I really don't seethe point of NOT killing him?

2) that was rick jones in vegas right?

[venom41]

o and this issue really went a long way to redeeming iron man for me
i kinda started to see him as a hero again after all the idiotic things he did
goin at the hulk like that takes guts...hulkbuster armor or no hulkbuster armor

way to go tony

[Kefky]

I bet Hulk sets up some kind of huge bomb in MSG to pay them back for blowing up his town back on the other planet. Thats why he gave them a 24 hour evacuation notice because he doesn't want to kill innocent people he just wants to get his revenge on the Illuminati and take out the city.

If he's gonna leave everyone without homes, then why not just kill them too?

[Syzygy]

Brought the first issue today and I was not disappointed. Great art, great action, and some decent dialogue.

Agree. The twenty-first century has been spectacular for Marvel, and WWH just takes it to an even higher level.

[Sean Whitmore]

1) did he actually kill black bolt, or jsut smash him, cause I really don't seethe point of NOT killing him?

Like someone else suggested, I wouldn't be surprised if the Hulk wanted the entire Illuminati in a room together for some heavy interrogation followed by a light maiming.


SEAN

[TheCrisisKid]

It's not forgotten, they all mentioned it. It's just that Strange and Peter are not nine-year-olds, so when the Hulk comes to town talking about "Evacuate your city, I'm gonna smash these guys", they can side with guys they hate for the greater good.


SEAN

For what greater good? The hulk isn't going to destroy the planet if those people pay for what they did. Intervene when the hulk starts to hurt normal people. But for as much as I care, these people need to pay for their crimes. Shouldn't they? Should the hulk not be able to get revenge on them for what they did? I guess they should be held in court for their crimes.

I guess they don't want to see the hulk beat them up in revenge. They'd like to stop the hulk before anybody gets hurt (even IM).

Still, I thought it was pretty quick how they all just forgot about them being illegals and go out into the public where at anytime, IM could have tried to capture them.

[Sean Whitmore]

I guess they don't want to see the hulk beat them up in revenge. They'd like to stop the hulk before anybody gets hurt (even IM).

Yeah, that's the thing. Even if the Hulk was trying to kill, say, Doctor Doom, the heroes aren't just gonna let that happen.


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

Yeah, that's the thing. Even if the Hulk was trying to kill, say, Doctor Doom, the heroes aren't just gonna let that happen.


SEAN

It's worth noting that Hulk could have killed Doom at one point and chose to spare him.

[CMBMOOL]

o and this issue really went a long way to redeeming iron man for me
i kinda started to see him as a hero again after all the idiotic things he did
goin at the hulk like that takes guts...hulkbuster armor or no hulkbuster armor

way to go tony

I Agree with your statment, he even used Spidey famous phrase about great power and admited that he send the Hulk away to protect the Earth. :eek:

So maybe there's hope for him yet. :o

[CMBMOOL]

For what greater good? The hulk isn't going to destroy the planet if those people pay for what they did. Intervene when the hulk starts to hurt normal people. But for as much as I care, these people need to pay for their crimes. Shouldn't they? Should the hulk not be able to get revenge on them for what they did? I guess they should be held in court for their crimes.

I guess they don't want to see the hulk beat them up in revenge. They'd like to stop the hulk before anybody gets hurt (even IM).

Still, I thought it was pretty quick how they all just forgot about them being illegals and go out into the public where at anytime, IM could have tried to capture them.

Well desperate times calls for Desperate help, and IM WAS desperate enough to call the New Avengers for help. :D

[Ravenheart]

Maybe IM is using the unregistered heroes as the first line of defense.If any of them get hurt or killed fighting Hulk,thats one less problem he has to deal with afterwards.

[Sean Whitmore]

Maybe IM is using the unregistered heroes as the first line of defense.If any of them get hurt or killed fighting Hulk,thats one less problem he has to deal with afterwards.

You must mean second line of defense, since the first thing he did was throw himself in the path of the problem.


SEAN

[Tien Long]

I need to read the issue again, but I felt a little disappointed. I really wanted to see the Black Bolt/Hulk fight. Furthermore, there were some scenes where I was a little confused. Is Hulk in his spaceship when he's making the announcement to earth and showing the body of Black Bolt? Was some sort of beam emitted from Hulk's ship when he knocked Tony for a loop in space?

Other than that, the issue was great. The artwork was beautiful. Really, when you have a big, massive epic, w/ big gigantic figures, you need JRjr to draw it.

[Beastx007]

AMAZING! My Friend Stole it from me, we read it twice at lunch! I WANT HEADS TO ROLL!

[tjarvis]

For what greater good? The hulk isn't going to destroy the planet if those people pay for what they did.

The thing is, the Hulk is threatening to destroy the planet and kill thousands upon millions of innocent people if his demands are not met.

That plays him higher on the villain scale in any true hero's mind than "Tony Stark is trying to screw with me, despite the repeated amnesty and redemption offers that he's made at me."

Tony Stark trying to arrest you is not as contemptable as the Hulk threatening to kill everyone.

[beetheb]

Okay, with the release of New Avengers #31 and WWH #1, I had an epiphany of sorts.

I'm going to lay down a few clues, trying to keep them as spoiler free as possible, but be warned **NEW AVENGERS #31, PLANET HULK & WORLD WAR HULK SPOILERS LIE AHEAD!!**





-In new Avengers #31, Elektra is shown to have been a Skrull for some time, and it was strongly suggested that Luke Cage's wife, Jessica Jones, and baby are as well, hinting at the idea that The Skrulls may have invaded the ranks of Marvels Superheroes.

-We know the Illuminati had a tusskle with the Skrulls in Issue #1 (they made sure to make it #1 ;) ) They were captured, and individually subjected to experiments and torture. When they escape, the Emperor tells his army not to pursue them, stating something to the effect of "Let them go, we got what we needed."
This is never explained in any way, and is still an open plotline.

-Reading World War Hulk #1, look at the panels after Reed and Tony convince the Sentry to help fight the Hulk. Reed is unexplainedly smiling at what seems like a very odd moment. He seems satisfied, like a man seeing his plan come to fruition.

In Planet Hulk, Hulk's shuttle was unexplainedly rigged to explode. There have been theories on his Warbound sabotaging the ship as well as the Illuminati, but none are really water-tight cases, so it's left unexplained.

So here's the epiphany: What if Reed Richards is a Skrull?

-It explains the bomb on Hulks shuttle. Not to mention why Hulks shuttle may have gone into the wormhole.

-It explains what the emperor meant when he says "We've got what we wanted"...as in a mole in their Ranks.
How do they know they got the real Reed? Xavier was very preoccupied at the time, maybe he just didn't catch it..

-It explains why Reeds smiling when he believes they've convinced the Sentry to fight Hulk. That part of the Skrulls' plans is complete...and the rest probably involves the Hulk taking out Earths heroes, thus making it ripe for invasion.

-It explains why in every WWH interview and synopsis we've been reading, they're very careful to say "The Hulk believes Tony and the Illuminati planted the bomb, leaving themselves an editorial out later when it's proven that Reed, Jessica Jones, and who knows how many other Marvel Heroes have been Skrulls since before Avengers Disassembled, at the very least, and have been slowly pushing Earths heroes toward self-destruction with the Raft Prison Breakout (Villains) House of M (mutants) the Registration Act (Heroes) and World War Hulk (Hulk as executioner)

It could actually explain a lot of things, doesn't it just fit together a little too perfectly to be coincidental?

[drupgyu]

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I would like to have seen the Black Bolt fight...Also, what was up with the Sentry and what he said to tony off panel? I have the sneaky suspicion that tony wasn't in the armor but Sentry was or was controlled remotely. His speech was pre-recorded wasn't it?

[Kefky]

Reed being a skrull would be kind of a slap in face of Dwayne McDuffie, considering he's trying to redeem him in the FF book right now...

[Kefky]

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I would like to have seen the Black Bolt fight...Also, what was up with the Sentry and what he said to tony off panel? I have the sneaky suspicion that tony wasn't in the armor but Sentry was or was controlled remotely. His speech was pre-recorded wasn't it?

Sorry, but Tony was shown going in the armor in an early preview of IM 19.

[jackolover]

Okay, with the release of New Avengers #31 and WWH #1, I had an epiphany of sorts.

I'm going to lay down a few clues, trying to keep them as spoiler free as possible, but be warned **NEW AVENGERS #31, PLANET HULK & WORLD WAR HULK SPOILERS LIE AHEAD!!**





-In new Avengers #31, Elektra is shown to have been a Skrull for some time, and it was strongly suggested that Luke Cage's wife, Jessica Jones, and baby are as well, hinting at the idea that The Skrulls may have invaded the ranks of Marvels Superheroes.



Yes, all of what you say is feasable. If your Reed Skrull is correct, then I would have to go back to all the CW stuff and look at Reeds reactions. But from what I saw of Reed, it was the real deal even in CW, because he reacted so stressed at conversations with Sue and afterwards.

If your theory of the Reed Skrull is correct, I think it is post-CW, and the Skrulls have kidnapped Reed and Jessica and Electra and others. I don't know how far this goes, but presumably as far as the corrupt agents of Shield in the Savage Land.

[cernunnos]

I loved World War Hulk # 1. The beatdown Hulk gave Iron Man at the end of the issue was deliciously brutal.

[MongoSlade]

To clarify my feelings about the artwork..

1) I like Romita's art.
2) I didn't particularly care for Strain's embellishments in WWH 1.
3) see #1

[Hossman]

What a great issue WWH #1 was! I enjoyed the story and the art very much. I can't wait to see what happens next issue!

[Loestal]

So is Spider-man technically not a criminal anymore since he was helping with the evac?

[Syzygy]

Maybe IM is using the unregistered heroes as the first line of defense.If any of them get hurt or killed fighting Hulk,thats one less problem he has to deal with afterwards.

I know a lot of us view IM as a real jerk, but no, I don't buy it. He's stated full pardons for any who help and register. I think IM really does want the superhero community to be united, and takes no pleasure in the Civil War.

And, as stated, he fought Hulk first, and alone to boot. Hate him or not, he's man enough to fess up and accept responsibility.

[Syzygy]

So is Spider-man technically not a criminal anymore since he was helping with the evac?

Still a criminal, but if he registers after the battle, he gets a full pardon and becomes part of the Initiative.

[Harding Prime]

I thought it was really good as well, the only tiff I have is the same as most, I wanted more of Black Bolt and Hulk Fight.

And the whole Reed thing being a Skrull, nice idea, but I just think he was smiling because he is happy he doesn't have to die.

[UniqueFrequency]

wow all the glowing reviews are challenging my resolve to pick this up only in trade form! must... resist...

[xarathos]

I'm kind of torn. One one hand WWH was really great, on the other hand it's more of Hero (?) versus Hero (?) and not a villian to be found.

Atleast in the preview you can see that the Hulk's pals are coming. See, now that's more like a war. Not your silly Civil skirmish.

What was my point? How come they just don't SPider-man by his real name. 'Hey, Parker Jerk!'

Anyway....

[CMBMOOL]

I know a lot of us view IM as a real jerk, but no, I don't buy it. He's stated full pardons for any who help and register. I think IM really does want the superhero community to be united, and takes no pleasure in the Civil War.

And, as stated, he fought Hulk first, and alone to boot. Hate him or not, he's man enough to fess up and accept responsibility.


Agreed it took real guts to admit that he made a mistake in banishing him, and he had the guts in confronting him upon his return.

Maybe there's hope for him yet. :o

[Harding Prime]

Agreed it took real guts to admit that he made a mistake in banishing him, and he had the guts in confronting him upon his return.

Maybe there's hope for him yet. :o

WHOA WHOA WHOA!

I didn't see where he said he made a mistake in banishing the Hulk, which he didn't, I just see him taking responsibility for it.

[CMBMOOL]

WHOA WHOA WHOA!

I didn't see where he said he made a mistake in banishing the Hulk, which he didn't, I just see him taking responsibility for it.

Okay a little misquote, but still he taken the responsibility for his actions. :o

[beetheb]

Okay a little misquote, but still he taken the responsibility for his actions. :oYeah, thats sure what it looks like....I'm just wondering what it is Sentry told Tony before they left....maybe it's Sentry in the Armor...

[Harding Prime]

Okay a little misquote, but still he taken the responsibility for his actions. :o

He always does though because he is a pretintous, arrogant jerk, that always thinks he is right.

[Harding Prime]

Yeah, thats sure what it looks like....I'm just wondering what it is Sentry told Tony before they left....maybe it's Sentry in the Armor...

That idea has already been shot down, and makes no sense what so ever. Sentry doesn't need armor. I really don't know what your hanging onto there.

[thronzeblast]

Its seems to me that the comic book reader''s are the one's who hate stark we have seen he is motivated to do what he thinks is right no matter the cost.Even if he has to go through friend or foes alike.The public in the marvel universe seem to have a very different View of him than we do.This was highlighted when they takled cap at the end of civil war when he was about to strike stark with his shield.

[beetheb]

That idea has already been shot down, and makes no sense what so ever. Sentry doesn't need armor. I really don't know what your hanging onto there.I'm not hanging onto anything, calm down bro, we're just tossin' ideas here, no need to get pissy.

And it makes sense if they're trying to confuse Hulk and keep him off base.

[thronzeblast]

I'm not hanging onto anything, calm down bro, we're just tossin' ideas here, no need to get pissy.

And it makes sense if they're trying to confuse Hulk and keep him off base.

They would not be trying to confuse hulk if they sent the sentry he is considered the most powerful being on the planet.They would not be any need for deception they would expect him to be albe to take on the hulk.

[Harding Prime]

I'm not hanging onto anything, calm down bro, we're just tossin' ideas here, no need to get pissy.

And it makes sense if they're trying to confuse Hulk and keep him off base.

Not pissy, just already been talked about and rejected becuase Stark is shown getting ready for battle in IM #19 preview. And I don't think this is the original Green stupid Hulk, this is more of an enranged Green Hulk and part Professor in there as well.

That doesn't seem logical to say, hahaha Hulk, you didn't just kick the crap out of Tony, it was me, your bestest friend, Sentry, and I think I'm bleeding internally here folks. LOL

[Harding Prime]

Furthermore, I don't see the Sentry saying "Oh, Hell" as the man in the armor says when Hulk is charging after being burned to all hell.

[The White-Spider]

So.. I'm guessing everyone missed the moment in the story where Stark believes he has depowered the Hulk and makes the executive decision to kill him on the spot with a ballistic missile?

On another topic, Iron Man recites a page he found in Peter Parker's diary during his time at Avengers Tower and suddenly he's noble and heroic?

His speech amounted to "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, but I did it because 'with great power comes great responsibility', which, er.. kinda conflicts with my manhunt of other super heroes and my entire crusade for accountability, but, hey, you're the same people that spent 3 million on Thunderbolts actions figures in the last three weeks. You are so gonna buy this."

[IMJ]

Not pissy, just already been talked about and rejected becuase Stark is shown getting ready for battle in IM #19 preview. And I don't think this is the original Green stupid Hulk, this is more of an enranged Green Hulk and part Professor in there as well.

That doesn't seem logical to say, hahaha Hulk, you didn't just kick the crap out of Tony, it was me, your bestest friend, Sentry, and I think I'm bleeding internally here folks. LOL

I got news for ya, bud. It wasn't the Hulk that put Iron Man down, it was a giant skyscraper falling completely on and around him that did it. That fight rocked and Iron Man is the man.

[Kefky]

So.. I'm guessing everyone missed the moment in the story where Stark believes he has depowered the Hulk and makes the executive decision to kill him on the spot with a ballistic missile?

Yes, you're right, he should have a had punching match with a killing machine that's 100 times stronger than he is. Committing suicide to look like a real man's man makes perfect sense.


His speech amounted to "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, but I did it because 'with great power comes great responsibility', which, er.. kinda conflicts with my manhunt of other super heroes and my entire crusade for accountability, but, hey, you're the same people that spent 3 million on Thunderbolts actions figures in the last three weeks. You are so gonna buy this."

Wow, you thought he was excusing himself for civil war? Maybe you should read the dialog again.

[The White-Spider]

Yes, you're right, he should have a had punching match with a killing machine that's 100 times stronger than he is. Committing suicide to look like a real man's man makes perfect sense.


Except that he thought Hulk was depowered in the same way he has been depowering other gammas over the last two months, and his entire strategy was to turn Hulk into Bruce Banner. The line about Banner agreeing with his intended course of action is because he thought he was shooting a powerless being.

Maybe you should read the dialog again.




Wow, you thought he was excusing himself for civil war?


I thought he was acting according to what he thought was right, regardless of any other consideration. This is standard behavior for Tony and is the opposite of the accountability and responsibility he espouses regularly.

[dabig2]

That issue was KRAKKABA-THROOOOOOOOM!

Good stuff. IM was a decent character, even I'll admit that. But decent isn't buying him points here. I'll be anxiously awaiting next week to see Tony get his butt kicked once again.

So.. I'm guessing everyone missed the moment in the story where Stark believes he has depowered the Hulk and makes the executive decision to kill him on the spot with a ballistic missile?

I've been saying for months that this is an all-out war basically. Anything goes for the two opposing sides. I've got no problem with him attempting to kill the Hulk. And I've got no problem in the Hulk attempting to kill any of the 4 offenders.

And I know this will be answered in later issues, but I do wonder what Sentry wanted to have a word with Tony meant exactly. That entire convo was...interesting and the end of it struck an ominous nerve in me.

[The White-Spider]

That issue was KRAKKABA-THROOOOOOOOM!
I've been saying for months that this is an all-out war basically. Anything goes for the two opposing sides. I've got no problem with him attempting to kill the Hulk. And I've got no problem in the Hulk attempting to kill any of the 4offenders.

I'm not arguing what degree of force anyone should use. [BTW, Hulk certainly knew about the human and superhuman forces massed against him and didn't deploy his full army]. I simply find it hilarious that people found it heroic that Iron Man, the character that basically "sold his soul" for the sake of accountability and responsible superheroing gave a speech saying, "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, and I was judge and jury in an event that contributed to this attack on Earth, but I did it to protect you and right now I've removed the Hulk's powers and I am going to kill him. For you."

Iron Man and accountability are like Slapstick and serious drama.

Here's a question: If Hulk had reverted to Bruce and was blown up in plain view of all those monitoring the event, would Tony be giving another apology speech when he lost the support of half the people who showed up to help them contain the threat? When the Warbound descended on the planet with nothing but bloodlust?

Iron Man will always be apologizing because he always believes his way is best and that most other considerations are moot. He's the ultimate "Oops! Did I do that?" character.

[mike626]

Stark's speech came across as nothing more than a empty PR stunt,he gives the anti-regs a pardon if they save his and his buddies asses when we all know if they surive Stark won't keep his word.

[hyzmarca]

There is a big difference with offering a pardon to those who register and suspending registration entirely. If he were to do the latter, it would actually be a reasonable offer.

I'll agree that having the Black Bolt fight off panel was a good decision if and only if it is shown in a future issue. It set up that really cool scene with Black Bolt's lifeless body.

The armor might be an unmanned robot, though I doubt it.

[jackolover]

I'm not arguing what degree of force anyone should use. [BTW, Hulk certainly knew about the human and superhuman forces massed against him and didn't deploy his full army]. I simply find it hilarious that people found it heroic that Iron Man, the character that basically "sold his soul" for the sake of accountability and responsible superheroing gave a speech saying, "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, and I was judge and jury in an event that contributed to this attack on Earth, but I did it to protect you and right now I've removed the Hulk's powers and I am going to kill him. For you."

Iron Man and accountability are like Slapstick and serious drama.

Here's a question: If Hulk had reverted to Bruce and was blown up in plain view of all those monitoring the event, would Tony be giving another apology speech when he lost the support of half the people who showed up to help them contain the threat? When the Warbound descended on the planet with nothing but bloodlust?

Iron Man will always be apologizing because he always believes his way is best and that most other considerations are moot. He's the ultimate "Oops! Did I do that?" character.

Actually, I see Tony heading off to his own defeat, and he knows it. Trying the depowering and missiling of Hulk /Banner was whimsy at the most. Tony was never going to see the light of day. His Initiative was over. So all this talk of how unaccountable Tony is, (for facing the Hulk with no chance of success), doesn't ring true to me. Tony was practically giving his will and last testimony to anybody in ear shot, and them he left to meet his fate, seeing as he could see Black Bolt as just so much torn rags in Hulks fist, I don't think he really had any illusions as to how he was going to end up.

I think we should agree Tony's heroism is undoubted in this situation. He didn't run and hide. He took his licks before any of the other heros were involved.

It harks back to Avengers #1 and #2 when Tony and Hulk faced off before, and Tony put the Hulk through a wall. How times have changed.

[Sean Whitmore]

There is a big difference with offering a pardon to those who register and suspending registration entirely. If he were to do the latter, it would actually be a reasonable offer.

Reasonable to me is agreeing not to arrest someone who's been driving around without a license. Revoking the law that says you need to be licensed to drive is a bit much (and, of course, completely beyond Tony's power).


SEAN

[ultimate hulk]

I'm not arguing what degree of force anyone should use. [BTW, Hulk certainly knew about the human and superhuman forces massed against him and didn't deploy his full army]. I simply find it hilarious that people found it heroic that Iron Man, the character that basically "sold his soul" for the sake of accountability and responsible superheroing gave a speech saying, "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, and I was judge and jury in an event that contributed to this attack on Earth, but I did it to protect you and right now I've removed the Hulk's powers and I am going to kill him. For you."

Iron Man and accountability are like Slapstick and serious drama.

Here's a question: If Hulk had reverted to Bruce and was blown up in plain view of all those monitoring the event, would Tony be giving another apology speech when he lost the support of half the people who showed up to help them contain the threat? When the Warbound descended on the planet with nothing but bloodlust?

Iron Man will always be apologizing because he always believes his way is best and that most other considerations are moot. He's the ultimate "Oops! Did I do that?" character.

man..you are my freaking hero...:D i'm glad someone has finally seen through the ultimate hypocrisy of ironman...turn against his friends for people he doesn't know...such a person can never be trusted...

[Sean Whitmore]

i'm glad someone has finally seen through the ultimate hypocrisy of ironman...

"Finally"?

Where the heck have YOU been for the last year?


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

"Finally"?

Where the heck have YOU been for the last year?


SEAN

Sakaar. ;)

[Sean Whitmore]

Sakaar. ;)

If Sakaar has an internet connection, they still must have heard some of the "Tony's a jerk" jokes. :)


SEAN

[ultimate hulk]

Actually, I see Tony heading off to his own defeat, and he knows it. Trying the depowering and missiling of Hulk /Banner was whimsy at the most. Tony was never going to see the light of day. His Initiative was over. So all this talk of how unaccountable Tony is, (for facing the Hulk with no chance of success), doesn't ring true to me. Tony was practically giving his will and last testimony to anybody in ear shot, and them he left to meet his fate, seeing as he could see Black Bolt as just so much torn rags in Hulks fist, I don't think he really had any illusions as to how he was going to end up.

I think we should agree Tony's heroism is undoubted in this situation. He didn't run and hide. He took his licks before any of the other heros were involved.

It harks back to Avengers #1 and #2 when Tony and Hulk faced off before, and Tony put the Hulk through a wall. How times have changed.

bah...he's not a hero...he's a joke...he wasn't going after the hulk for selfless reasons...he wanted the glory for himself...he went against the hulk thinking that he was going to win with his nanobots...so he transmitted his little self pity speech...thinking that when he takes down the hulk...the public is going to say what a brave guy...making him more powerful than he already is in the eyes of the public...tony is what you called the ultimate @$$ kisser...

[Kevinroc]

If Sakaar has an internet connection, they still must have heard some of the "Tony's a jerk" jokes. :)


SEAN

Hulk told stories. For a guy that is supposedly the black sheep of the super hero community, he sure hears a lot of gossip. :p

[hyzmarca]

Reasonable to me is agreeing not to arrest someone who's been driving around without a license. Revoking the law that says you need to be licensed to drive is a bit much (and, of course, completely beyond Tony's power).


SEAN

Tony can't repeal the law, but he can chose to simply not enforce it. The ability for law enforcement officers to simply refuse to enforce laws that they feel are unjust or impractical is an important but often overlooked part of the US system of checks and balances.

[Sean Whitmore]

Tony can't repeal the law, but he can chose to simply not enforce it. The ability for law enforcement officers to simply refuse to enforce laws that they feel are unjust or impractical is an important but often overlooked part of the US system of checks and balances.

I'll agree it would've been a bit more genial of him to offer to just turn his head while the New Avengers left after helping out.


SEAN

[Bodyslide]

So the person in the Bar is it Rick Jones?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/738/hulkmo5.jpg

[The White-Spider]

Actually, I see Tony heading off to his own defeat, and he knows it. Trying the depowering and missiling of Hulk /Banner was whimsy at the most.

Even though that exact same tactic worked against 75% of the Hulk's rogues gallery and his cousin earlier the same week? (Marvel time).



Tony was never going to see the light of day. His Initiative was over.


Tony Stark had Spider-Man and She-Hulk in line to back him up. The last two people on Earth he could expect to support him in any other situation. In effect, he had 95% of the superhuman community backing him up.

Resigned to a hopeless cause? I think not.



I think we should agree Tony's heroism is undoubted in this situation. He didn't run and hide. He took his licks before any of the other heros were involved.

There are shades of gray here, my friend. Tony willingly accepted the help of people he surely knew would not back him if he had said: "Guys, here's my plan. I'll revert him to Banner and then shoot him." Parker, Walters and probably even Sampson are not going to go for that. I wager most of the New Avengers wouldn't.

Second, creating a mess and volunteering to clean it up isn't heroism, at most it's common decency.

Any good Iron Man did was the least he could do. Hardly some shining example of what it means to be a hero.

[Karthak]

So Stark tried to commit murder then? Also, his "the end justifies the means no matter how horrible the means are" speech scares me.

[beetheb]

I've been saying for months that this is an all-out war basically. Anything goes for the two opposing sides. I've got no problem with him attempting to kill the Hulk. And I've got no problem in the Hulk attempting to kill any of the 4 offenders.Agreed. Thats what a war is. Two-opposing forces who both believe they're right, and will fight to the death to uphold that.

[Syzygy]

Stark's speech came across as nothing more than a empty PR stunt,he gives the anti-regs a pardon if they save his and his buddies asses when we all know if they surive Stark won't keep his word.

Well, I thought the speech was well-done. I thought he acquitted himself well in word and battle.

Actually, I believe he will keep his word. He's been firm in insisting heroes register, but lenient in pardoning them when they finally do. At the end of Civil War #7, for example. there was a general amnesty.

Of course he'll keep his word. He's been consistent in saying that if heroes come over, all is forgiven. I know why you dislike him, but I see no reason to doubt him in this.

[dabig2]

So the person in the Bar is it Rick Jones?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/738/hulkmo5.jpg

Pretty sure it is. Guess he hops on another one of Stark's special airplanes and jets right for New York.

Oh yeah, anybody else had that killbill song playing in their heads when he sees IM? I could literally hear Tony saying "we deserve to die...but so does he, so does he"

[JadeDragon]

Im just excited that finally the HULK is getting some real heat in the Marvel U!

Man....its great to be collecting the Hulk again. I am a gigantic Hulkophile from way back and I sorta drifted off when it seemed like every issue of his ongoing was a Banner story and ya got lucky if the Hulk cameo'd in a couple panels.

This issue was so fun. The cover by Finch is one of the most powerful Hulk images Ive ever seen. Not to mention one of the most impressive cover images Ive seen in a long while.

And the interior art was real nice as well. While I normally gravitate towards more realistic styles, reading a Romita drawn book you just feel like you are in good hands and can just wrap yourself in the story. Great action too. Awesome inks and colors.

As for the story....I also would like to throw a brick at Dr Strange for his "Naww...lets not send him away with a quick spell...lets face him in battle that could kill lots of people and property, cuz we should own up to our actions."....LAME! Come on.....kinda makes the whole thing seem silly. I wish the writer had writ himself around that...maybe have Strange cast a teleportation spell but be thwarted by alien technology or some Warbound skill. The undisputed Master of the Mystic Arts.....should be more impressive with his contribution.

And there BETTER be a blow by blow representation of the Hulk kicking BlackBolt's shiny black hiney SOMEWHERE for me to get my hands on. Thats a classic battle thats too good to leave to the imagination. I mean come on...the MOON gets a little destroyed!!! SHOW ME HOW!!! :eek:

I didnt read Civil War, so some of this was new to me. Like the whole "Everybody that fights Hulk gets pardoned" business. I dunno....maybe I should pick up a trade? Im too excited about this stuff to go back to see why all that happened.

I wish Tony Stark had used some more creative gadgets and weapons. The Nanobot thing was clever, but cant he devise some more devious mechanical nightmares to throw at the biggest threat facing humanity? The Hulkbuster armor seemed cool, but why fight on Hulks level? Power vs power? Use light, use sounds (Altho it didnt work for BB), use gravity or something. Throw him at the sun! I know there are only so many pages to tell the story, but this is a huge important battle. Lets see them try everything! OK, I know its just issue one......haha...I guess I wouldnt be writing this if this wasnt getting me excited...

Overall.....GREAT TO SEE SO MANY FOLKS EXCITED ABOUT MY FAVE COMIC CHARACTER!!!

Woo hoo! Cant wait for Hulk 107!~~~Patrick

[bulbasteve]

Yes, you're right, he should have a had punching match with a killing machine that's 100 times stronger than he is. Committing suicide to look like a real man's man makes perfect sense.

That is sorta how Tony rolls, heck just last week he did it with the crazy biotech cancer, a couple of arcs ago he literally killed himself to stop his rogue armors.

Except that he thought Hulk was depowered in the same way he has been depowering other gammas over the last two months, and his entire strategy was to turn Hulk into Bruce Banner. The line about Banner agreeing with his intended course of action is because he thought he was shooting a powerless being.

Maybe you should read the dialog again.

Did any of the other gammas, save for She Hulk who has total control over her powers, turn human? It just takes the mental control of your powers away, it wouldn't turn Thing human and I don't think Tony expected it to do the same for Hulk either. Nothing about the line "this is what banner would want" implies that he thinks this will turn Hulk into Banner. Heck he says "suppress his powers" and "there is no guarantee they'll keep him down for long", not "we are taking away his powers and turn him into banner then blow him to kingdom come".

I simply find it hilarious that people found it heroic that Iron Man, the character that basically "sold his soul" for the sake of accountability and responsible superheroing gave a speech saying, "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, and I was judge and jury in an event that contributed to this attack on Earth, but I did it to protect you and right now I've removed the Hulk's powers and I am going to kill him. For you."

He never said anything like that. He said "If you want to blame anyone, blame me". He is taking a "buck stops here" approach, that doesn't mean what he did was illegal and it certainly doesn't mean he thought or admitted such.

[jigrig]

That is sorta how Tony rolls, heck just last week he did it with the crazy biotech cancer, a couple of arcs ago he literally killed himself to stop his rogue armors.



Did any of the other gammas, save for She Hulk who has total control over her powers, turn human? It just takes the mental control of your powers away, it wouldn't turn Thing human and I don't think Tony expected it to do the same for Hulk either. Nothing about the line "this is what banner would want" implies that he thinks this will turn Hulk into Banner. Heck he says "suppress his powers" and "there is no guarantee they'll keep him down for long", not "we are taking away his powers and turn him into banner then blow him to kingdom come".





He never said anything like that. He said "If you want to blame anyone, blame me". He is taking a "buck stops here" approach, that doesn't mean what he did was illegal and it certainly doesn't mean he thought or admitted such.

Yes some of the others did turn back to human form, Iron Clad & at least 3 others, cant remember off hand, in 1 of She Hulks books.
IM was totally expecting or more likely, hoping Hulk would change back to Banner so He would die.

[Syzygy]

As for the story....I also would like to throw a brick at Dr Strange for his "Naww...lets not send him away with a quick spell...lets face him in battle that could kill lots of people and property, cuz we should own up to our actions."....LAME! Come on.....kinda makes the whole thing seem silly.

Hasn't Strange banished him interdimensionally before?

That combined with the space exiling would be twice, right?

[Sean Whitmore]

Hasn't Strange banished him interdimensionally before?

That combined with the space exiling would be twice, right?

Guess Doc's not a believer in the "third time's a charm" theory.


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

Guess Doc's not a believer in the "third time's a charm" theory.


SEAN

After seeing Hulk come back twice, madder than ever each time, I would imagine he just thought to himself "**** it! It doesn't work!"

[The Incredible Activist]

After seeing Hulk come back twice, madder than ever each time, I would imagine he just thought to himself "**** it! It doesn't work!"

Or, or, or.

SPOILER & POSSIBLE SPOILER BEWARE

He's one of them what was revealed to be in NA #31. Also, they never found out what really caused the explosion that consequently made Hulk set his purty mouthbreathin' self target earth, did they? I predict betrayal and machinations! Possible from the Illuminati within.

END SPOILER & POSSIBLE SPOILER BEWARE

[LordKaos]

Good cop out. Have the fight off panel. What a marvelous idea.

But otherwise I think this issue was pretty good.

[Nate Palm]

So what is the Hulk's goal here? Is he trying to conquerer the earth or does he just want the guys who launched him into space? Cause I don't see how those illuminati asshats are worth a "world war". Those jokers should just go fight the Hulk by themselves. If they win, good for them. If the Hulk wins, good for him.

Also, I'm assuming Black Bolt is alive so the Hulk isn't trying to kill his targets. It doesn't look like Stark was extending the same courtesy.

[The Incredible Activist]

So what is the Hulk's goal here? Is he trying to conquerer the earth or does he just want the guys who launched him into space? Cause I don't see how those illuminati asshats are worth a "world war". Those jokers should just go fight the Hulk by themselves. If they win, good for them. If the Hulk wins, good for him.


But you know, based on the Pak N'rama interview they tease change of directions halfway through. Maybe Hulk finds out who really was responsible. Maybe an impostor, in a world full of impostors.

Dear Celestials, I hope it's not that easy to guess. I'd prefer it if the World became sentient and they slugged it out, with the World losing!

[Pendaran]

Second, creating a mess and volunteering to clean it up isn't heroism, at most it's common decency.


Once again, when the guy on the other side is tossing out supervillain style dialogue about how unless everyone does as he says, he'll kill the human race, it's extremely difficult for people opposing that guy not to come off at least slightly better, if they're managing to fight without, say, threatening to kill the human race.

No matter what a person's grievance is, once they add "and do as I say or humanity dies!" to their little speech, they can't help but make their enemies look way better if they haven't, for instance, said such a thing.

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, I'm assuming Black Bolt is alive so the Hulk isn't trying to kill his targets.

That's a hell of an assumption to make. He thinks they killed his wife and child, and he's gonna get back at them by slapping them around a little?


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, I'm assuming Black Bolt is alive so the Hulk isn't trying to kill his targets.

That's a hell of an assumption to make. He thinks they killed his wife and child, and he's gonna get back at them by slapping them around a little?


SEAN

[Yarr]

IM wasnt being brave, he was being over confident, he thought his nano-tech would take out the hulk and make him the Hero.

His speach was campy and lame. The public cheering as IM was simply cleaning up the mess he made was really dumb, but I actually liked that they gave such a positive reaction. The general public really is that clueless some times.

This issue was awesome. I havent giggled like a girl while reading a comic since I was 10.

[CMBMOOL]

So the person in the Bar is it Rick Jones?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/738/hulkmo5.jpg

Finally, a foreshadowing cameo of Rick Jones entering the War. :D

[agrich]

I love Klaus Janson's work, and I like a lot of John Romita Jr.'s art, but as far as pairings go, I really don't like the JR Jr./Janson one.

It's possible I didn't read the issue closely enough (it was late), but why exactly did Earth's assembled heroes decide to spend 24 hours evacuating New York rather than just attacking the Hulk's spacecraft right after he delivered his threats?

I love the Hulk and have faith in Pak after Planet Hulk, but the first issue of this series didn't do much to convince me that the whole concept isn't as implausible as I thought in the first place. I'm hoping it gets better.

One aside, regarding people complaining about Black Bolt's defeat being off-panel: We saw the Hulk withstand Black Bolt's voice. That's pretty much all we needed to see. I mean, he doesn't have any other weapons at his disposal. The only thing we missed was one panel of the Hulk actually grabbing Black Bolt and either giving him a good slap or breaking his neck (if he's dead) or something. Withstand the voice and there is no "fight."

[Pendaran]

I mean, he doesn't have any other weapons at his disposal.

He actually has a wide variety of powers at his disposal including high end energy manipulation, which allowed for him to mess the Hulk up the one time without using his voice. We also only saw the Hulk withstand a whisper, and Pak on newsarama again just talked about how Bolt would have hesitated to use his full power.

Bolt regardless has a ton of different powers, and it would have been an interesting fight to see as far as what he might have busted out when the voice isn't an option.

[agrich]

'Kay, maybe it's just me who didn't need to see anything after that shot of an enraged Hulk leaping at a stunned Black Bolt from a few feet away. That's fine too.

[Pendaran]

It had too much buildup. When he did an interview dedicated to the idea of the fight, I expected to see, well, a fight. Yeah, Bolt's going to lose, but it feels like a bunch of hype for nothing. I'll hope they show it somewhere else, though my hope was to see it from Romita, who draws good fight scenes.

[CMBMOOL]

I'm not arguing what degree of force anyone should use. [BTW, Hulk certainly knew about the human and superhuman forces massed against him and didn't deploy his full army]. I simply find it hilarious that people found it heroic that Iron Man, the character that basically "sold his soul" for the sake of accountability and responsible superheroing gave a speech saying, "Yes, I took the law into my own hands, and I was judge and jury in an event that contributed to this attack on Earth, but I did it to protect you and right now I've removed the Hulk's powers and I am going to kill him. For you."

Iron Man and accountability are like Slapstick and serious drama.

Here's a question: If Hulk had reverted to Bruce and was blown up in plain view of all those monitoring the event, would Tony be giving another apology speech when he lost the support of half the people who showed up to help them contain the threat? When the Warbound descended on the planet with nothing but bloodlust?

Iron Man will always be apologizing because he always believes his way is best and that most other considerations are moot. He's the ultimate "Oops! Did I do that?" character.


Besides that he'll have the She-Hulk after him along with Cho's earthly allies and Rick Jones. :(

[Magneto Rocks]

FANTASTIC first issue. Truly shocking, and epic. Love the Romita art, as always.

This week in general was a great one for Iron Man- here he seems tragic, reasonable and heroic. In Nova and Sub-Mariner he also comes across as the hero... overasll, a good week.

Okay, I will eat my words, Pak did a MUCH better job than I thought him capable of. But about the ending- I CALLED IT! I CALLED IT!

Although I do wish we hadn't seen it so heavily previewed. We pretty much knew what was going down weeks before this issue came out.

[Brian M.]

IM wasnt being brave, he was being over confident, he thought his nano-tech would take out the hulk and make him the Hero.

His speach was campy and lame. The public cheering as IM was simply cleaning up the mess he made was really dumb, but I actually liked that they gave such a positive reaction. The general public really is that clueless some times.

This issue was awesome. I havent giggled like a girl while reading a comic since I was 10.

He wasn't overconfident. He says in his speech that he doesn't think the nanotech will hold him long. That's why he brings in the jets. Also before he even starts in he tells the others not to attack until the Hulk is through w/ him. How is that overconfident?

[Crisis]

Oh yeah, anybody else had that killbill song playing in their heads when he sees IM? I could literally hear Tony saying "we deserve to die...but so does he, so does he"


it was playing the second i saw hulk say "i didnt come to hear you whisper":D

[madrox1977]

loved it, loved it, loved it, if the series continues along this line then it will be superb. just cant wait for the warbound to get involved..oh and i did spot the smirk on reeds face, bit odd that

[blinkinrogue]

i thought it was a B- issue. i wondered what happened to medusa after bb's defeat (i imagined if he really screamed, hulk should have been reduced to dust or something).

if the nanobots didnt work, cant they use mutants with power-canceling abilites (i know that'd end the story pretty fast and boring, but i'd like to see the heroes thinking about this instead of going all physical with the hulk)? it'd be interesting how the psionics would fare against hulk, as well as people who can transmute matter (wonder where sersi is). they have a lot of options dealing with the hulk, im sure theyve fought much tougher villains before.

im re-considering buying the second issue, but i might drop this, especially with whats happening with the x-titles soon.

[Camron Amaya]

I swear I'm avoiding all previews from now on lol. They're like 6 pages long and ruin it for me :\

[ShaggyB]

Let's see. IM hunts them down. Throws them in jail. The Hulk comes to earth and says that he is going to kick IM's butt. Maybe I could see them helping evacuate the city, but when it comes down to it, it's IM's fight, not Spidey's or Luke Cage's. But in this issue, they forget about the endless bad things IM did to their comrades and the entire bill that makes their fighting illegal and go to help IM fight the Hulk. Sounds like they all forgot what had been going down recently and just recently, CA's death. Remember this. If CA hadn't been captured and taken to court, CA might still be alive.

The Hulk had no plans to hurt uninvolved people. That is why he told the city to clear out. Why act like the Hulk is going to destroy everything and everyone and gather all the heroes together if the Hulk just wants to beat the crap out of a chosen few?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

No i think hulk is willing to hurt anyone who would protect the people he believes to have destroyed his life. Its the mentality of if you are with my enemy you are my enemy. He gives them time to prove they arent. ie cough up theses guys and leave or i squash you like you were one of them.

I believe he'd kill anyone and anything that stood in his path to beat those guys down. their bomb did kill his wife, his unborn child and many of his people. his world is ruined and now he will return the favor if earth harbors the "evil do-ers" (in his eyes).

[CMBMOOL]

i thought it was a B- issue. i wondered what happened to medusa after bb's defeat (i imagined if he really screamed, hulk should have been reduced to dust or something).

if the nanobots didnt work, cant they use mutants with power-canceling abilites (i know that'd end the story pretty fast and boring, but i'd like to see the heroes thinking about this instead of going all physical with the hulk)? it'd be interesting how the psionics would fare against hulk, as well as people who can transmute matter (wonder where sersi is). they have a lot of options dealing with the hulk, im sure theyve fought much tougher villains before.

im re-considering buying the second issue, but i might drop this, especially with whats happening with the x-titles soon.

Well the Hulk is going to face off with the X-men soon in a mini-series spin off of WWH. :o

[ShaggyB]

I got news for ya, bud. It wasn't the Hulk that put Iron Man down, it was a giant skyscraper falling completely on and around him that did it. That fight rocked and Iron Man is the man.

ummm who put iron man into the building. cause thats the guy who whipped his ass.

defering blame of what did the pounding would be like saying "the ball player didnt hit that home run, it was the bat" or "its not the basket ball players skill, its his shoes."

hulk put him into that building and pounded him through it, at the bottom of the building iron man was broken. Id say the pounding he got on the way down added to the building coming down on him.

[Kevinroc]

ummm who put iron man into the building. cause thats the guy who whipped his ass.

defering blame of what did the pounding would be like saying "the ball player didnt hit that home run, it was the bat" or "its not the basket ball players skill, its his shoes."

hulk put him into that building and pounded him through it, at the bottom of the building iron man was broken. Id say the pounding he got on the way down added to the building coming down on him.

It wasn't like Iron Man was going to win after he saw Hulk stand up to the nanites and the bombing. His "Oh, hell" pretty much said it all. He knew at that point he was going to be taken down. Hulk was ripping through his armor like it was wrapping paper.

[CMBMOOL]

It wasn't like Iron Man was going to win after he saw Hulk stand up to the nanites and the bombing. His "Oh, hell" pretty much said it all. He knew at that point he was going to be taken down. Hulk was ripping through his armor like it was wrapping paper.


So much for knowing about the future, because I can tell you Stark couldn't have perdicted this to happen. :D

[MakeshiftHero]

I havent seen anyone ask this question so either no one has asked or I'm the only person thats stupid and doenst know the answer. When does WWH take place? Cause we have Iron Man/Tony Stark back when he has just been changed into ultron. And Jen has her She Hulk powers back.

[Question_Authority]

I am actually disappointed in Starks handling of the Hulk situation. He has access to some of the most advanced weapons in the world centuries ahead of current tech in some cases and developed many himself. Among the aforementioned nanbot solution, he could have used gamma leaching missles or rays, a nano bomb cutesy of Hank Pym to blow Hulk up at the molecular level; a molecular destablizer to cause Hulk's cells to simply disintergrate under stress. The list goes on. And he had 24 hours to come up with something too, heroes come up with deus ex machina all the time in much less time then that, especially for gageteers like Iron Man. Perhaps they are leaving all the fancy stuff to Mr Fantastic?

[Kevinroc]

So much for knowing about the future, because I can tell you Stark couldn't have perdicted this to happen. :D

"Where's your futurist shtick now?"

[CaptainCanada]

Remember this. If CA hadn't been captured and taken to court, CA might still be alive.

The Skull had Carter; he could have killed him anywhere at any time.

In Planet Hulk, Hulk's shuttle was unexplainedly rigged to explode. There have been theories on his Warbound sabotaging the ship as well as the Illuminati, but none are really water-tight cases, so it's left unexplained.
It wasn't rigged to explode, necessarily. The core ruptured. It could (and most likely was) just an accident caused by all the damage the ship incurred (such as being dragged into the city).

So here's the epiphany: What if Reed Richards is a Skrull?

That would mean he's been a Skrull since 1971, publishing time.

[myslead]

and that a skrull's been banging Sue all along, and their child[edit]ren would be half skrull.

[Xanrn]

Yeah but Reed also said there wasn't a Warp Core on the shuttle to go boom.

[CMBMOOL]

and that a skrull's been banging Sue all along, and their child would be half skrull.

Well that would explain his powers, since Sue is the most "powerful" member of the FF. :(

[Kevinroc]

and that a skrull's been banging Sue all along, and their child would be half skrull.

There are certainly worse assignments for a Skrull than sleeping with Sue Richards. ;)

[CMBMOOL]

I havent seen anyone ask this question so either no one has asked or I'm the only person thats stupid and doenst know the answer. When does WWH take place? Cause we have Iron Man/Tony Stark back when he has just been changed into ultron. And Jen has her She Hulk powers back.

Something tells me that Jen's repower saga takes place within the end of She-Hulk #19 and continues within Avengers Inatitive #4. :(

[myslead]

with the new preview of Incredible Hulk #107, i'm starting to believe that the warbound wanted to come to earth for revenge more than just to help the Hulk, and they see him as their winning lottery ticket. (maybe except the girl one)

[CMBMOOL]

with the new preview of Incredible Hulk #107, i'm starting to believe that the warbound wanted to come to earth for revenge more than just to help the Hulk, and they see him as their winning lottery ticket. (maybe except the girl one)

Nah, something tells me that they know that these heroes will oppose them and that they will be ready to face off with these heroes when the time is right. :o

[ivesaidway2much]

There are certainly worse assignments for a Skrull than sleeping with Sue Richards. ;)I believe it. To replace Reed for all this time that Skrull would have to be a super-genius. And how else could a Skrull get an assignment like bumping uglies with Sue?

[Magneto Rocks]

The thing that struck me the most about this issue was that this was very clearly NOT presenting Hulk as protagonist and the Illuminati as antagonists.

Indeed, it seemed the exact opposite- besides the intro, we saw things through the eyes of the heroes and it instead seems Hulk is the antagonist which I don'ty think many of us expected.

[Kevinroc]

The thing that struck me the most about this issue was that this was very clearly NOT presenting Hulk as protagonist and the Illuminati as antagonists.

Indeed, it seemed the exact opposite- besides the intro, we saw things through the eyes of the heroes and it instead seems Hulk is the antagonist which I don'ty think many of us expected.

I'm not completely surprised. I'm expecting a full reversal by the end of the story (in that we see Hulk isn't as bad as some readers think he is). At least going by 1602: New World.

[Grizsly]

HULK.

SMASH.


WWH is ON!!!!

I really, REALLY can't wait to see Hulk bitch slap the Sentry.

And if you guys liked this one, wait until you see what happens to Hercules next week!!!

That is all.

[scottv]

I loved it and I am so happy that it is finally out!

[The White-Spider]

Did any of the other gammas, save for She Hulk who has total control over her powers, turn human?

Every gamma the nanotech was tried on reverted to human form with their powers inhibited, including She-Hulk, which Tony took as a sign of the viability of the technology. See: Planet Without a Hulk.



It just takes the mental control of your powers away, it wouldn't turn Thing human and I don't think Tony expected it to do the same for Hulk either.


Stark is a man of science. I'm sure he wouldn't take numerous successful tests of a technology, especially one on a genetic relative of the primary target, as an indication that it wouldn't work. Tony is a lot of things, but opposed to the scientific method, he is not.

The tech was tested and intented to inhibit gamma radiation based powers which express themselves commonly through a transformation process. [With DNA specific variations added later]. The Things powers are cosmic ray based, never involved transformation and have proven incurable by the greatest genius on the planet for almost 10 years.

Great comparison.



Nothing about the line "this is what banner would want" implies that he thinks this will turn Hulk into Banner. Heck he says "suppress his powers" and "there is no guarantee they'll keep him down for long", not "we are taking away his powers and turn him into banner then blow him to kingdom come".


This is another case of crossover discrepancy in the vein of "Peter, 42 is permanent" "Peter are you nuts! It's only temporary!"

Iron Man stated his belief that the depowering was permanent and all past references before WWH, and from at least one Marvel writer stated that it was thought to be permanent until proven otherwise. See; Avengers Initative and Planet Without a Hulk.

Further, do you take Tony Stark's statements in public speeches as in-storyline fact? It's not as if he's attempted to manipulate bodies like Congress with ploys like staged attacks. Or volunteered people to superhuman task forces without consulting them. I won't go on. Tony Stark is so well known for saying and doing things primarily to bring about his own intented goals that I'd be insulting everyone reading this by listing more examples.

As far as we know, Tony thought it would be permanent but didn't want to take the gamble and opted to kill Banner. Perhaps he found out new info on limits to the technology the night before? It's more than open to interpretation.




He never said anything like that. He said "If you want to blame anyone, blame me". He is taking a "buck stops here" approach, that doesn't mean what he did was illegal and it certainly doesn't mean he thought or admitted such.

Strange. The Hulk arrives on Earth stating that he's willing to attack it because Iron Man and co. shot him into space. Stark announces that he shot Hulk into space.

That's not "the buck stops here". That's "the buck started here and now I'm going to try to stop it here."

"My actions have endangered the entire human race and now I should do all I can to limit the fallout" is not the mark of great heroism. More like "You think?!"

As far as legality is concerned, the entire point is that Iron Man and his secret society acted above and outside of the law on issues that affect the fate of the entire human race. They consulted no allies, no governments, and made themselves a judge and jury empowered by themselves. That is the diametric opposite of accountability and responsibility. The exact thing that's supposed to be Tony's schtick at the moment.

That's why Stark's plagiarized Peter Parker speech was so comical.

[Kefky]

Further, do you take Tony Stark's statements in public speeches as in-storyline fact? It's not as if he's attempted to manipulate bodies like Congress with ploys like staged attacks. Or volunteered people to superhuman task forces without consulting them. I won't go on. Tony Stark is so well known for saying and doing things primarily to bring about his own intented goals that I'd be insulting everyone reading this by listing more examples.

As far as we know, Tony thought it would be permanent but didn't want to take the gamble and opted to kill Banner. Perhaps he found out new info on limits to the technology the night before? It's more than open to interpretation.

Or maybe he just had those planes ready to attack in case the nanobots didn't work... which he said they probably wouldn't.





Strange. The Hulk arrives on Earth stating that he's willing to attack it because Iron Man and co. shot him into space. Stark announces that he shot Hulk into space.

That's not "the buck stops here". That's "the buck started here and now I'm going to try to stop it here."

"My actions have endangered the entire human race and now I should all I can to limit the fallout" is not the mark of great heroism. More like "You think?!"

Well, that's your view on it, I'm sure a lot of people on MU Earth agree with you. Just like a lot of people saw him as a hero. Just a matter of opinion, really. All Iron-man did was explain his point of view to the world and take full responsibility for the consequences. Nobody here's even saying that he was right. So why does this bother you so much?

As far as legality is concerned, the entire point is that Iron Man and his secret society acted above and outside of the law on issues that affect the fate of the entire human race. They consulted no allies, no governments, and made themselves a judge and jury empowered by themselves. That is the diametric opposite of accountability and responsibility. The exact thing that's supposed to be Tony's schtick at the moment.

That's why Stark's plagiarized Peter Parker speech was so comical.

Getting rid of the Hulk was never "illegal", unless you count the times he was intelligent, and got a full pardon from the army and government. Otherwise, armies were always hunting him down, and the Inhumans were sticking him inside a rocket, and sending to outer space without setting a destination, and Doc Strange was sending him to a completely hostile dimension. In Hulk 300, there's a great big splash page with the Avengers telling the Hulk to stop his rampage on NYC, or they'll kill him.

And there's absolutely nothing new about the Illuminati did to the Hulk, and what you think Tony MAY have been trying to do in WWH1. And it's not illegal either.

[The White-Spider]

Well, that's your view on it, I'm sure a lot of people on MU Earth agree with you. Just like a lot of people saw him as a hero. Just a matter of opinion, really.

That it's open to intepretation isn't an opinion. It simply is. Those things I listed were examples. Rest assured though, I know my opinions when I see them. They look.. somewhat..familiar.


All Iron-man did was explain his point of view to the world and take full responsibility for the consequences.


That's your view. It could be seen as justifying his actions, as well. Did you happen to see all those other heroes amassed there that had nothing to do with the situation whatsoever, but were ready to risk life and limb, regardless? Even were it not the Hulk, Tony Stark would have been there and gotten involved, likely leading a team of superhumans and he is wont to do.

Jumping in first, into a situation he helped create was nothing special. Ah, look at that. It's one of my opinions.


Nobody here's even saying that he was right. So why does this bother you so much?

You know, it's kind of sad when people can't analyze and discuss things wi