New Avengers #31 *Spoilers*

[Firestorm23]

okay i just finished reading the NA 31 and i was under the impression that the last page would have earth shattering events on it, but im am very confussed by the conclusion did i miss somthing? Can anyone help me? Maybe i missed something

Thanks

Fs23

[sookibong]

It turns out that Elektra and Luke's baby are actually alien Skrulls in disguise. We don't know how long they've been impersonating these two characters, or what their purpose is. It seems like the issue was implying that alot of Marvel characters may be Skrulls in disguise and we just don't know it.

[TransformersFan]

ARGHHH, i hadnt even read the issue.

[MakeshiftHero]

ARGHHH, i hadnt even read the issue.

Why are you reading a spoiler page then?

[gunz]

I officaly hate bendis now, and marvel ain't looking to hot. if everything bad that has happened turns out to be the result of skrulls, i'm burning all of marvel comics. seriously, WTF. ten bucks says the cap that was shot was a skrull, tony is probaly a skrull. can;t you just write a story and have it actually happen with out all this b.s. I really hope i'm wrong, but i just can see it coming a mile away.

o, and i agree with spidey, we really can't have both him and and clint making smart ass remarks during the battle.

I hope both echo and luke cage die a horrible horrible death.

[jackolover]

It turns out that Elektra and Luke's baby are actually alien Skrulls in disguise. We don't know how long they've been impersonating these two characters, or what their purpose is. It seems like the issue was implying that alot of Marvel characters may be Skrulls in disguise and we just don't know it.


Sookibong, what gives you the impression Lukes baby is a Skrull? Electra okay.

Another thing. Can anybody tell me what issue Electra took over the Hand?

[Bryson the Red]

I officaly hate bendis now, and marvel ain't looking to hot. if everything bad that has happened turns out to be the result of skrulls, i'm burning all of marvel comics. seriously, WTF. ten bucks says the cap that was shot was a skrull, tony is probaly a skrull. what a bunch of pussies, can;t you just write a story and have it actually happen with out all this b.s. I really hope i'm wrong, but i just can see it coming a mile away.

o, and i agree with spidey, we really can't have both him and and clint making smart ass remarks during the battle.

I hope both echo and luke cage die a horrible horrible death.

I think that if they did go back and say Tony and Steve had been Skrulls then yes. I would burn my books too, but thats not going to happen. At worse, they were pulling some subtle strings. I think its more likely they were not the cause of Civil War, but will be setting up things in the future.

[dag231]

I officaly hate bendis now, and marvel ain't looking to hot. if everything bad that has happened turns out to be the result of skrulls, i'm burning all of marvel comics. seriously, WTF. ten bucks says the cap that was shot was a skrull, tony is probaly a skrull. what a bunch of pussies, can;t you just write a story and have it actually happen with out all this b.s. I really hope i'm wrong, but i just can see it coming a mile away.

o, and i agree with spidey, we really can't have both him and and clint making smart ass remarks during the battle.

I hope both echo and luke cage die a horrible horrible death.


Long-time lurker, first time poster... :rolleyes:


This issue, without a doubt, is one of the worst I have ever read. Bar none. This is in 35+ years of reading comics.

As a writer, the goal is to ground your stories in a reality and try to avoid hackneyed deus ex machina moments. Electra as a damn skrull is about as deus ex machina as a poor writer can provide.

Its bad enough to have Doctor Strange on the Avengers (for the sole reason, of course, to allow the others to escape a jam and to make up for poor writing)... but now this?

Bendis.... seriously: do you slap these issues off after your third burger and beer at 3am? Why not just have Electra die? Its not like she hasnt died a dozen times before. But now, the whole Shield fiasco, the SHRA, Cap's death, everything since the House of M can be tossed in the can and can be explained by the deus ex machina "they were skrulls" explanation. Piss poor writing, dude. Piss poor writing...

[spidervenom]

I doubt that cap and tony are skrulls I mean brubaker would never do that to cap and I honestly dont think tonys a skrull. but maybe hawkeye is a skrull with amnesisa that would make sense

[TheORKINMan]

I dont think Cap during CW was a skrull, it could be though that the Cap that got shot was a skrull.

Just a hypothetical, but the Skrulls heavily infiltrated SHIELD, which is why Nick Fury has gone AWOL. When Cap was arrested and placed in SHIELD custody the skrulls pulled a switcharoo for some reason before he was trotted out and shot.

[Wild Card13]

I know I'm gonna be in the minority here, but I think that this is a strong setup for what will be a great story. It all makes sense, and the hints have been there for a while now. The Skrulls were always a subtle race all about subterfuge, and clearly they have something planned for Earth. That makes double-sense, considering the Skrull empire has been shattered and Skrulls are now an endangered species.

-In Heroes For Hire's second arc, the H4H team's goal was to stop a crime ring selling Skrull organs.
-In the Illuminati miniseries, the first issue depicted a brush between the Illuminati and the Skrulls, with allusions to some mysterious project the Skrulls had on the docket.

I have faith that Bendis will use this well and in a way that makes sense-he's not gonna say that Tony and Steve were both Skrulls all along; Millar would probably tie him to a stake and burn him with a fire fueled by issues of Civil War: Front Line. What this does is put doubt into the status quo again. For the past couple years, Marvel's been steadily taking apart what had become normal in their universe: Fury is underground, mutants are endangered, heroes aren't vigilantes anymore, and Annihilation has turned the comsic landscape into the wild west. Now, more doubt is introduced and suddenly the shape-shifting aliens have become a credible threat again, rather than just a joke or plot device. I can't wait to see where this goes.

[Shyft]

Now, more doubt is introduced and suddenly the shape-shifting aliens have become a credible threat again, rather than just a joke or plot device. I can't wait to see where this goes.

They have been brought back to be BOTH those things.

[mosdef]

I'm not too familiar with Skrulls, but I thought that Skrulls will change back to their original bodies when they die. If that's true, then the Cap that died can't be a Skrull.

[TheCrow13]

I think this could be cool, but who knows.NA always seems to be out so fast, so i love it so far.

[overcomebyfumes]

As a writer, the goal is to ground your stories in a reality and try to avoid hackneyed deus ex machina moments....

Yes, but this is Bendis we're talking about. If you told Bendis he could never use a hackneyed deus ex machina again, he'd probably sieze up.

pax.

[Beast]

There's two reasons for this reveal.

As it was hinted by Quesada, it leads into the major event of 2008.

Also as was noted in LiTG, Marvel's supposedly trying to get Frank Miller to come back to Marvel. However there was supposedly a pretty big issue that was keeping him from doing so. Surprise surprise that Elektra turns out to be a Skrull and gets killed. Leaving things open for Frank Miller to return. :)

[Beast]

I'm not too familiar with Skrulls, but I thought that Skrulls will change back to their original bodies when they die. If that's true, then the Cap that died can't be a Skrull.
It depends. Skrullverine only reverted after a device was used to make him do so.

But I doubt that either Iron Man or Cap will be revealed to be Skrulls.

Mostly because we've been told that there was no "Mastermind" behind Civil War.

[Tien Long]

I know I'm gonna be in the minority here, but I think that this is a strong setup for what will be a great story. It all makes sense, and the hints have been there for a while now. The Skrulls were always a subtle race all about subterfuge, and clearly they have something planned for Earth. That makes double-sense, considering the Skrull empire has been shattered and Skrulls are now an endangered species.

-In Heroes For Hire's second arc, the H4H team's goal was to stop a crime ring selling Skrull organs.
-In the Illuminati miniseries, the first issue depicted a brush between the Illuminati and the Skrulls, with allusions to some mysterious project the Skrulls had on the docket.

I have faith that Bendis will use this well and in a way that makes sense-he's not gonna say that Tony and Steve were both Skrulls all along; Millar would probably tie him to a stake and burn him with a fire fueled by issues of Civil War: Front Line. What this does is put doubt into the status quo again. For the past couple years, Marvel's been steadily taking apart what had become normal in their universe: Fury is underground, mutants are endangered, heroes aren't vigilantes anymore, and Annihilation has turned the comsic landscape into the wild west. Now, more doubt is introduced and suddenly the shape-shifting aliens have become a credible threat again, rather than just a joke or plot device. I can't wait to see where this goes.

Bingo! Literally, when I saw that scene w/ Elektra turning into a Skrull, I screamed out loud "oh my god!" Thinking about it now, this kinda reminds me of the Changlings who inflitrated the Federation during DS9. HOWEVER, when you combine the fear of inflitration along w/ what has happened in the MU, then you get some awesome potential for stories.

This definitely ties into what Cage was talking about earlier in the NA story arc, how all of these events, like the Secret Wars, House of M, Civil War, are tied together in some way. Were Tony and Steve Rogers Skrulls? No, probably not. What would be VERY diabolical is if the Skrulls (who've I've considered to be funny looking, non-threatening, and basically a joke) merely set up all the pieces in place, having earth's heroes initiate all these actions. I liked to see that!

[Chiasm]

I loved the Skrull reveal at the end and I think this storyline has a lot of great potential.

Hate the art though. Really, really, really, hate the art. I mean I really hate the art.

One thing confuses me though. End of last issue we saw all the Avengers getting killed with all kinds of swords stuck through them. This issue they are suddenly better. I'm assuming it had something to do with Dr Strange but I don't know what. Can anyone explain?

[TheEisman]

I believe that was poor art not a point of the story.

[marvelboi77]

This is very cool, I wonder if Elektra was replace or always a skrull.

[UniqueFrequency]

Yes, but this is Bendis we're talking about. If you told Bendis he could never use a hackneyed deus ex machina again, he'd probably sieze up.

pax.

haha i could not agree more! i don't read any of Bendis's books anymore, and the stuff on this thread just confirms i made the right choice.

i'm not sure i want the 2008 event to be skrull-based though.

[marvelboi77]

Oh yeah I agree I hate the art too.:confused:

[beetheb]

I think Reed Richards is a Skrull. He's the one who planted the bomb on Hulks shuttle that invoked World War Hulk...

I think Pietro may be one too....Helping sway Scarlet Witch towards House of M.

And we know Elektra was one, not to mention Jessica Jones and her baby most likely are. talk about a slap in the face for Cage huh?


I think Marvel may have found their Retcon Punch. ;)

[dag231]

haha i could not agree more! i don't read any of Bendis's books anymore, and the stuff on this thread just confirms i made the right choice. i'm not sure i want the 2008 event to be skrull-based though.


I enjoy Bendis when he does interactions between characters... so, in a book like Ultimate Spiderman, Bendis is bang on perfect, since it is all about characterization and the witty one-liner... but in a book where you have to develop a credible, multi-arc plot without reaching into the implausible bag, Bendis just doesnt have the ability 9 times out of 10...

I mean seriously - Earth's mightiest heroes have known about the Skrulls for how long? And in all that time they wouldnt have developed a credible device for checking DNA or figuring out if someone was a shapeshifter?

As well, last I checked, a shapeshifter can only mimic a person's physical appearance, and not their mannerisms or vocal tells, so the whole idea of large-scale infiltration is specious at best, and is more used for short-term guerrilla infiltration...

[Beast]

I think Reed Richards is a Skrull. He's the one who planted the bomb on Hulks shuttle that invoked World War Hulk...

I think Pietro may be one too....Helping sway Scarlet Witch towards House of M.

And we know Elektra was one, not to mention Jessica Jones and her baby most likely are. talk about a slap in the face for Cage huh?


I think Marvel may have found their Retcon Punch. ;)
I think it's more likely the Beyonder will be revealed as the one who manipulated Scarlet Witch.

Also added his powers to hers in order to inact the global reality altering change.

[jcp011c]

I have not read the issue yet so I will reserve full judgement until I do but it sounds like this could indeed be a way to "explain" many inconsistances and retcon some of the events of recent Marvel chronology. While it does have potential to be a good storyline I fear it will become just a plot device to rely on, sapping writers of their creativity. I guess only time will tell though. I am not very hopefully, but upon reading of the issue I may change my mind - plus down the road reliance on this.

[beetheb]

I think it's more likely the Beyonder will be revealed as the one who manipulated Scarlet Witch.

Also added his powers to hers in order to inact the global reality altering change.Which would tie ALL of Marvels events ever together.

THAT, would be f--king cool.

Actually, they still have to tie in the Infinity Gauntlet, Annihilation and WWH...any theories?

[Maestro]

Skrull reveals seem so cliche but Bendis has hinted on his board that they will not lead to endless retcons. I trust he wouldn't lie, so I'm optimistic

[MakeshiftHero]

I mean seriously - Earth's mightiest heroes have known about the Skrulls for how long? And in all that time they wouldnt have developed a credible device for checking DNA or figuring out if someone was a shapeshifter?

As well, last I checked, a shapeshifter can only mimic a person's physical appearance, and not their mannerisms or vocal tells, so the whole idea of large-scale infiltration is specious at best, and is more used for short-term guerrilla infiltration...

You must have skipped a story called Civil War. In #6 Hulkling revealed that he was acting as Yellowjacket and was releasing all the prisoners in 42. He was around Tony and Reed two of the smartest people in the MU and got past them. I don't find it hard to believe that if a teenager can do it, then advanced aliens who have been doing it all their life could get past the heroes of the MU.

[Thursaiz]

I like this angle. Since the Skrulls were basically obliterated in Annihilation, this might be the only chance they have at survival. This could be a sleeper cell, who don't know that the Skrull homeworlds are toast.

[Omega Alpha]

It seems to me that Marvel maybe setting up to a "War of the Worlds" or something like that. I opened a topic here:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=178638

But about the Skrulls specifically, i don't know. I get the feeling that they will be used to retcon everything eventually, even if Bendis doesn't intend to.

But, except for that, the issue was good. Clint and Spidey trying to prove themselves as the team's #1 banterer was hilarious.

And, BTW, how come Wolverine didn't noticed that Elektra smelled funny? :confused:

[Beast]

Skrulls, or at least War Skrulls, have fooled Wolverine's senses on a number of occassions.

[Tien Long]

I loved the Skrull reveal at the end and I think this storyline has a lot of great potential.

Hate the art though. Really, really, really, hate the art. I mean I really hate the art.

I agree. The art just got progressively worse through the issues. Even w/ a second read through now, I had to do a lot of squinting in order to get what was going on.

[drupgyu]

Which would tie ALL of Marvels events ever together.

THAT, would be f--king cool.

Actually, they still have to tie in the Infinity Gauntlet, Annihilation and WWH...any theories?

Well, as long as we're reaching...

The Skrulls infiltrated SHIELD forcing Fury to go underground. His double spy Spiderwoman would be able to get the Hand to come out and Hydra which have all been infiltrated by Skrulls. The Wolverine vs Electra arc where Wolverine goes about stealing Reed's tech and such was all part of gaining a technological foothold in the Marvel U. This is where Electra was switched. Hulk being sent to space just eliminates a forceful creature uncovering the plot too soon and more importantly takes out the satellite that was no longer of any use to the Skrull Shield agents. The satellite was from stolen Reed/Pym tech (Wolverine). Thru manipulation, the Skrulls caused the disaster that led to the registration where everyone took sides. Outside of government, all the players in Civil War were manipulated humans too distracted to notice the gradual infiltration of govt., SHIELD, HYDRA and the Hand; the most powerful organizations on the planet.

The Skrull throne world was right in the path of the Annhililation wave. All the sleeper cells on earth became active as it was necessary for the Skrull to take over another hospitable world. The Skulls "got what they needed" in the form of DNA or tech to better replicate superhumans. The beyonder is just playing with eatrth and did power the Scarlet witch which is why he too made an appearance in the Illuminati issues. We are going to see in the following Illuminati issues how the Sh'iar were taken over as well.

Amnesty will be granted to most heroes after WWH and the unified force will go against the threat of the earth invadsion along with a new Quasar, the reformed Nova Corps and Captain Marvel.(New comic titles anyone?)

Cap is not a Skrull but will come back thru the time machine device that the Red Skull is messing with. Iron Man was a dupe and some of the dead New Warriors are Skrulls.

Get ready to torch your collection 'cause Marvel is just desperate enough to do what I've described...

[UniqueFrequency]

Get ready to torch your collection 'cause Marvel is just desperate enough to do what I've described...

*readies lighter*

i realise i'm not picking up a single Marvel book this week. first time in a LONG time that's happened. which says something about the state of Marvel these days.

[xarathos]

I'm really getting the sense that Brian Michael Bendis isnt' the superstar writer they've always said he was. I just don't see it. I read 25 issues of New Avengers, I couldn't even decide why they were together as a team before there was no team anymore.

THis is Marvel's top selling title, yet it doesn't seem to measure up to anything. I don't get it.

[drupgyu]

I'd never burn a comic; that's just sacrilegious. But I'll put 'em in a mylar bag snug never to read them again and not because I want the condition to stay the same! (shaking fist to the air and swinging cane wildly)

Ah well.. Comics just beg to make us obsessive compulsives don't they?

[hawkeyefan]

Long-time lurker, first time poster... :rolleyes:


This issue, without a doubt, is one of the worst I have ever read. Bar none. This is in 35+ years of reading comics.

As a writer, the goal is to ground your stories in a reality and try to avoid hackneyed deus ex machina moments. Electra as a damn skrull is about as deus ex machina as a poor writer can provide.

Its bad enough to have Doctor Strange on the Avengers (for the sole reason, of course, to allow the others to escape a jam and to make up for poor writing)... but now this?

Bendis.... seriously: do you slap these issues off after your third burger and beer at 3am? Why not just have Electra die? Its not like she hasnt died a dozen times before. But now, the whole Shield fiasco, the SHRA, Cap's death, everything since the House of M can be tossed in the can and can be explained by the deus ex machina "they were skrulls" explanation. Piss poor writing, dude. Piss poor writing...

I don't think the Elektra thing is a deus ex machina at all. I really don't see it being used to undo Civil War or Cap's death. What it will be used for is to set up some new stories.

Relax.

I know I'm gonna be in the minority here, but I think that this is a strong setup for what will be a great story. It all makes sense, and the hints have been there for a while now. The Skrulls were always a subtle race all about subterfuge, and clearly they have something planned for Earth. That makes double-sense, considering the Skrull empire has been shattered and Skrulls are now an endangered species.

-In Heroes For Hire's second arc, the H4H team's goal was to stop a crime ring selling Skrull organs.
-In the Illuminati miniseries, the first issue depicted a brush between the Illuminati and the Skrulls, with allusions to some mysterious project the Skrulls had on the docket.

I have faith that Bendis will use this well and in a way that makes sense-he's not gonna say that Tony and Steve were both Skrulls all along; Millar would probably tie him to a stake and burn him with a fire fueled by issues of Civil War: Front Line. What this does is put doubt into the status quo again. For the past couple years, Marvel's been steadily taking apart what had become normal in their universe: Fury is underground, mutants are endangered, heroes aren't vigilantes anymore, and Annihilation has turned the comsic landscape into the wild west. Now, more doubt is introduced and suddenly the shape-shifting aliens have become a credible threat again, rather than just a joke or plot device. I can't wait to see where this goes.

I agree. I think this sets up some interesting possibilities. If we thought the heroes were paranoid about each other because of Civil War, then we ain't seen nothing yet....

Perhaps the "split" within the NA that the solicits hinted at will be some of the team thinking that they have to go to Stark and the Mighty crew with this news....while Cage and a couple of the others would be dead set against it.

All in all.....this could lead to some really cool stuff if handled right.


But, except for that, the issue was good. Clint and Spidey trying to prove themselves as the team's #1 banterer was hilarious.

And, BTW, how come Wolverine didn't noticed that Elektra smelled funny? :confused:

The Ronin/Spidey interaction was great. Looking forward to seeing this develop.

As for the scent.....maybe the Skrulls finally learned how to duplicate a person's stench as well as their appearance. Could be as simple an explanation as that.

I'm really getting the sense that Brian Michael Bendis isnt' the superstar writer they've always said he was. I just don't see it. I read 25 issues of New Avengers, I couldn't even decide why they were together as a team before there was no team anymore.

THis is Marvel's top selling title, yet it doesn't seem to measure up to anything. I don't get it.

Not trying to be a jerk or anything....but plenty of people seem to love the book. Maybe it just isn't your cup of tea. FOr me, I think it is one of Marvel's best books right now. Different strokes and all that.....

[RichStanz]

And, BTW, how come Wolverine didn't noticed that Elektra smelled funny? :confused:

Plus, he does say "What's that smell?" when Elektra is killed, implying that as a human, they were able to sneak by Wolverine.

I wish people would give Bendis a chance to explain this story.

We have seen 3 whole pages about it, and everybody is already going "F%^& Bendis, that hack writer! They're just going to ret-con Civil War away!"

Let's get something straight: why would Bendis, Quesada, et al. retcon away Civil War, when it wrapped up four months ago?

And don't say "universally horrible reviews" because that's just not true, and also it has sold like gangbusters, meaning somebody liked it.

That also indicates it was, you know, somewhat successful. But only just a little bit.:rolleyes:

Again and again and again, everyone at Marvel said that there was no mastermind behind Civil War, but it gave writers more creative freedom to go ahead with their own similar ideas: it set up a time and a place for Cap's assassination. And now it adds to the already distrustful playing field for super heroes, that is being built up in NA.

In Civil War Frontline, they toyed with the idea of Atlantean sleeper cells.
It's a modern, politically relevant take on a standard sci-fi concept. It sounds like they are applying the same thing to the skrulls.

And it appears that they are going to use it to explain the scope of the raft break, secret war, the corruption of SHIELD etc.

If the mastermind behind all of that was Red SKull or Dr. Doom or Loki, the internet would just go "pfft! that's anti-climactic!"

If it was Stark or Fury, the internet would go "pfft! way to butcher a character. I'm burning all my marvel books ever because that proves some arbitrary point!"

The internet wanted a return to global, universal, epic stories in Avengers - not just secret defenders fighting ninjas - well here it is.

Marvel is trying to make the skrulls relevant again. Would you rather they just never attempt to make them a threat again. Keep them relegated to C-level, third-tier villains?

At some point, in order to make Skrulls interesting again, they need to just push the button and go froward with a big story that involves them as a threat.

[eXpiphany]

OH MY GOD SO <spoilers!>

cage's wife and his baby are skrulls! Thats why she won't breastfeed him in the first panel!!

[tk421atpost]

Supporting characters turning out to be Skrulls in disguise? Reminds me of the big retcon circa Fan. Four #358 in which Alicia was revealed to have been replaced by a Skrull. Bleh.

[drupgyu]

The Skrull were a fun bunch at least. Some of the most entertaining comics have them in it. And hey, if Mastermind was behind Dark Phoenix and House of M, wouldn't a whole race of illusion using shapeshifters just kick some major butt in the confusion they would cause? Aren't the skrull cows producing milk that can cause shapeshifting by the way?

As for my criticisms of New Avengers, its still a book I buy regularly, so there is some enjoyment being had somewhere for me.

I will completely !@#$ if any of what I said in my previous post is true...

[CMBMOOL]

Bingo! Literally, when I saw that scene w/ Elektra turning into a Skrull, I screamed out loud "oh my god!" Thinking about it now, this kinda reminds me of the Changlings who inflitrated the Federation during DS9. HOWEVER, when you combine the fear of inflitration along w/ what has happened in the MU, then you get some awesome potential for stories.

This definitely ties into what Cage was talking about earlier in the NA story arc, how all of these events, like the Secret Wars, House of M, Civil War, are tied together in some way. Were Tony and Steve Rogers Skrulls? No, probably not. What would be VERY diabolical is if the Skrulls (who've I've considered to be funny looking, non-threatening, and basically a joke) merely set up all the pieces in place, having earth's heroes initiate all these actions. I liked to see that!


But yet where does the Hulk fit in ?


My guess is that what ever the Skrulls are planning needed the Hulk off planet for this to happen. :(

[CMBMOOL]

Well, as long as we're reaching...

The Skrulls infiltrated SHIELD forcing Fury to go underground. His double spy Spiderwoman would be able to get the Hand to come out and Hydra which have all been infiltrated by Skrulls. The Wolverine vs Electra arc where Wolverine goes about stealing Reed's tech and such was all part of gaining a technological foothold in the Marvel U. This is where Electra was switched. Hulk being sent to space just eliminates a forceful creature uncovering the plot too soon and more importantly takes out the satellite that was no longer of any use to the Skrull Shield agents. The satellite was from stolen Reed/Pym tech (Wolverine). Thru manipulation, the Skrulls caused the disaster that led to the registration where everyone took sides. Outside of government, all the players in Civil War were manipulated humans too distracted to notice the gradual infiltration of govt., SHIELD, HYDRA and the Hand; the most powerful organizations on the planet.

The Skrull throne world was right in the path of the Annhililation wave. All the sleeper cells on earth became active as it was necessary for the Skrull to take over another hospitable world. The Skulls "got what they needed" in the form of DNA or tech to better replicate superhumans. The beyonder is just playing with eatrth and did power the Scarlet witch which is why he too made an appearance in the Illuminati issues. We are going to see in the following Illuminati issues how the Sh'iar were taken over as well.

Amnesty will be granted to most heroes after WWH and the unified force will go against the threat of the earth invadsion along with a new Quasar, the reformed Nova Corps and Captain Marvel.(New comic titles anyone?)

Cap is not a Skrull but will come back thru the time machine device that the Red Skull is messing with. Iron Man was a dupe and some of the dead New Warriors are Skrulls.

Get ready to torch your collection 'cause Marvel is just desperate enough to do what I've described...

Wow, if that true then let for an ANGRY MOB AT MARVEL. :D

[MAK15]

is this the return of skrull milk?

[genesis]

I don't have a link to the interview but didn't they originally say that the 5th New Avengers Illuminati was going to be a big shocker. So it is entirely possible for that to explain the Illuminati are skrulls or some at least. Xavier is possible because in Uncanny X-men.......spoiler if you haven't read it.
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OK he can walk again due to something dealing with House of M i think so it could be that the reason he can walk is because he is actually a Skrull impersonating him due to his disappearance and didn't want to be in a wheel chair or just forgot about it so the skrull made up a bogus story. Dr. Strange is possible but doubtful Black Bolt no, Reed entirely possible and probably is I don't think Tony is a skrull as this will probably be his moment of heroism where he will end up dying saving everyone.

[Kefky]

is this the return of skrull milk?

Damn, it's gonna be REALLY sad if that was the real baby being fed skrull milk. I don't think Bendis would do something that tragic and effed up to his own creation.

[Beast]

No. Xavier's in no way, shape, or form a Skrull. He can walk again because Wanda restored the use of his legs and took away his telepathy. As Xavier put it, she wanted to teach him what it was like to really be handicapped. If you read the "Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar" arc by Ed Brubaker, he was abducted by Skrulls who delivered him to the Shi'ar. And then he was tortured, and thrown into the M'Kraan Crystal that somehow restored his telepathy. Him being a Skrull during all of that makes no sense what so ever.

[Chiasm]

I don't have a link to the interview but didn't they originally say that the 5th New Avengers Illuminati was going to be a big shocker. So it is entirely possible for that to explain the Illuminati are skrulls or some at least. Xavier is possible because in Uncanny X-men.......spoiler if you haven't read it.
OK he can walk again due to something dealing with House of M i think so it could be that the reason he can walk is because he is actually a Skrull impersonating him due to his disappearance and didn't want to be in a wheel chair or just forgot about it so the skrull made up a bogus story. Dr. Strange is possible but doubtful Black Bolt no, Reed entirely possible and probably is I don't think Tony is a skrull as this will probably be his moment of heroism where he will end up dying saving everyone.

No. I suppose Xavier could be a skrull but its got nothing to do with Xavier walking as that was all Wanda. No need for spoil tags on that since the X-issue dealing with that was in House of M. And now he has telepathy back. Short story is that Xavier and crew were in Shiar space. Xavier was inside the M'Kraan crystal and it healed his lost powers.

Personally I really hope Xavier isn't a skrull. Chuck has gone to the dark side the last few years and I like it. I don't want to see it all washed away. Plus Xavier has been replaced by warskrulls before so it would be pretty redundant to do so again.

[Harding Prime]

OK he can walk again due to something dealing with House of M i think so it could be that the reason he can walk is because he is actually a Skrull impersonating him due to his disappearance and didn't want to be in a wheel chair or just forgot about it so the skrull made up a bogus story. Dr. Strange is possible but doubtful Black Bolt no, Reed entirely possible and probably is I don't think Tony is a skrull as this will probably be his moment of heroism where he will end up dying saving everyone.

True, not a spoiler, but I don't see Xavier as a Skrull, Dr. Strange definitely not, Skrull wouldn't be able to duplicate magic I think.

But Genesis, speaking of people back from the dead, why not it be Clint that is a Skrull???

[Chiasm]

I've figured it out. Its Spiderman that the Skrull. It makes perfect sense as to why the Spiderman in New Avengers acts like Ultimate Spiderman instead of 616 Spiderman. After all 616 Spiderman is currently one very angry dude and he would not be quipping in a fight given whats happened recently. But a Skrull pretending to be Spiderman would be quipping because he's only pretending.

Or maybe its just bad writing on Bendis's part in regards to how he's dealing with Spidey.

(Lest you think I'm serious, I was being sarcastic in the first paragraph as I'm quite positive my second answer is correct)

[Kusanagi]

Taking the issue as a whole and not grading it on about two pages I give it a solid B, good action, great dialogue (c'mon Ronin/Spidey was gold), and well...okay I'm starting to get annoyed with Yu's style still it wasn't too bad.

As for the skrulls, for me this is definately a wait and see approach. If they take major characters and say "Haha guess what the people you care about for years are fakes!" yeah it's horrible, and reminicent of clone saga. However if it's periphery characters like Elektra, who hasn't to my knowledge even been a major supporting character since Enemy of the State it's no problem. I don't even mind major characters so long as they haven't been replaced too long and aren't named Captain America or Iron Man. Never had a problem when a skrull posed as wolvie years ago for the same reason.

As for Jessica and the baby I'm really interested in this since I've followed her since Alias. Maybe they switched her while she was in Canada? I sure as hell don't buy that she's always been a skrull. Then again we don't see her eyes, only the babies what if it's Luke? Paranoia abounds

[Jake V]

For me personally, this fixes one of the biggest annoyances I had with Marvel: Elektra being alive. I always thought she should have stayed dead after Daredevil #181, and if this makes it so she never came back to life, I'll be happy.

Also, it looks like a few people are furiously anrgy at Bendis for "events" that have currently only taken place in their minds. Lets wait until he actually does something before we crucify him for it.

[Omega Alpha]

For me personally, this fixes one of the biggest annoyances I had with Marvel: Elektra being alive. I always thought she should have stayed dead after Daredevil #181, and if this makes it so she never came back to life, I'll be happy.


The same writer who killed her brought her back and seemingly always intended for her to return, so i don't have a problem with it. Plus, for girlfriends murdered by Bullseye who are still dead, there's always Karen Page.

[Jake V]

The same writer who killed her brought her back and seemingly always intended for her to return, so i don't have a problem with it. Plus, for girlfriends murdered by Bullseye who are still dead, there's always Karen Page.

No, Miller wanted her to stay dead. She only "came back" in a non-canon graphic novel.

Do some reading, and you'll find that to this day, Miller is pissed at Marvel for bringing her back to life.

[Sean Whitmore]

what a bunch of pussies, can;t you just write a story and have it actually happen with out all this b.s. I really hope i'm wrong, but i just can see it coming a mile away.

Fine, you're wrong. Feel better?


Electra as a damn skrull is about as deus ex machina as a poor writer can provide.

That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.


They have been brought back to be BOTH those things.

Based on?


Damn, it's gonna be REALLY sad if that was the real baby being fed skrull milk. I don't think Bendis would do something that tragic and effed up to his own creation.

Might be time for Grant Morrison to dust off the ol' Skrull Kill Krew again.


I've figured it out. Its Spiderman that the Skrull. It makes perfect sense as to why the Spiderman in New Avengers acts like Ultimate Spiderman instead of 616 Spiderman.

Except he doesn't, so, nothing really to explain.


Also, it looks like a few people are furiously anrgy at Bendis for "events" that have currently only taken place in their minds.

Me, I'm pissed because a dialog-less page of a dead Skrull posing as Elektra obviously means that they're bringing Uncle Ben back to life. Ooooh, Marvel makes me mad.


SEAN

[trickster]

Long-time lurker, first time poster... :rolleyes:


This issue, without a doubt, is one of the worst I have ever read. Bar none. This is in 35+ years of reading comics.

As a writer, the goal is to ground your stories in a reality and try to avoid hackneyed deus ex machina moments. Electra as a damn skrull is about as deus ex machina as a poor writer can provide.

Its bad enough to have Doctor Strange on the Avengers (for the sole reason, of course, to allow the others to escape a jam and to make up for poor writing)... but now this?

Bendis.... seriously: do you slap these issues off after your third burger and beer at 3am? Why not just have Electra die? Its not like she hasnt died a dozen times before. But now, the whole Shield fiasco, the SHRA, Cap's death, everything since the House of M can be tossed in the can and can be explained by the deus ex machina "they were skrulls" explanation. Piss poor writing, dude. Piss poor writing...

And the art is AWFUL. So Elektra is supposed to be a Skrull? So what? And if that was supposed to be a secret, why did the Hand leave her behind?

[trickster]

Well, as long as we're reaching...

The Skrulls infiltrated SHIELD forcing Fury to go underground. His double spy Spiderwoman would be able to get the Hand to come out and Hydra which have all been infiltrated by Skrulls. The Wolverine vs Electra arc where Wolverine goes about stealing Reed's tech and such was all part of gaining a technological foothold in the Marvel U. This is where Electra was switched. Hulk being sent to space just eliminates a forceful creature uncovering the plot too soon and more importantly takes out the satellite that was no longer of any use to the Skrull Shield agents. The satellite was from stolen Reed/Pym tech (Wolverine).
Except it was Fury himself who sent Hulk into space.

[Sean Whitmore]

Except it was Fury himself who sent Hulk into space.

Wasn't the Fury from that story later revealed as an LMD?

In the Illuminati one-shot, Maria Hill was in charge of SHIELD while Hulk was still on Earth.


SEAN

[Jake V]

And the art is AWFUL. So Elektra is supposed to be a Skrull? So what? And if that was supposed to be a secret, why did the Hand leave her behind?

Maybe they didn't know/care.

If what I'm speculating is true, Skrullektra was a sleeper agent, who really believed she was Elektra and took over the Hand, to be "turned on" at a later date by the Skrull mother ship, or whatever.

[Jake V]

Except it was Fury himself who sent Hulk into space.

It wasn't Fury, it was an LMD being controlled by Reed and Stark.

[Sean Whitmore]

Maybe they didn't know/care.

If what I'm speculating is true, Skrullektra was a sleeper agent, who really believed she was Elektra and took over the Hand, to be "turned on" at a later date by the Skrull mother ship, or whatever.

I tend to think that Skrullektra was planted among the Hand when they met with Hydra earlier in the series, and that Hydra (and the rogue SHIELD faction) are really the ones overrun by Skrulls.

There's almost no end to the possibilities at this point.


SEAN

[trickster]

Wasn't the Fury from that story later revealed as an LMD?

In the Illuminati one-shot, Maria Hill was in charge of SHIELD while Hulk was still on Earth.


SEAN
Yeah, apparently they goofed that one up. Planet Hulk started after Secret Warm, so Fury had already gone into hiding.

[trickster]

Maybe they didn't know/care.

If what I'm speculating is true, Skrullektra was a sleeper agent, who really believed she was Elektra and took over the Hand, to be "turned on" at a later date by the Skrull mother ship, or whatever.

What, the Hand didn't care that they left their leader behind? And WTF just happened was she killed or wounded?
Leaving aside the awful pencils, the colors are so damn dark I can't figure out a thing.

[Jake V]

What, the Hand didn't care that they left their leader behind? And WTF just happened was she killed or wounded?

Maybe they looked and discovered that their leader was really a Skrull and then decided to get the hell out of there. It definitely looks like she was killed.

[dotdotdot]

how the hell can you possbily hate on this glorious art? what complete lack of taste.

[Jake V]

how the hell can you possbily hate on this glorious art? what complete lack of taste.

To be fair, (and this is coming from someone who loves the art), Yu's art is sketchier than it was at the start of this arc, and definitely sketchier than what we've seen from him in the past. He's possibly rushing.

[Euks]

To be fair, (and this is coming from someone who loves the art), Yu's art is sketchier than it was at the start of this arc, and definitely sketchier than what we've seen from him in the past. He's possibly rushing.

He's probably too busy drawing all those freaking ninjas. I liked the art at first, but it's getting to the point where I can't tell if a person is standing, lying down, jumping, moving, or a skrull. At first I thought Elektra had just decayed like Cap's body. And Wolverine looked like he just constantly had some circles going around him. Some of those slashes don't even look like they're humanly (or mutantly) possible.

Anyways this skrull crap better be damned good, and better take into account the recent events in Annihilation (i.e. the Skrull empire is nearly destroyed). Between the art and the lame reveal (imo), I'm not sure I care enough about NA to keep it on my pull list.

[Euks]

Oh and was it ever answered why Maya was a spy in the Japanese underworld? That whole being deaf thing seems like it would make it very hard for her to be useful, other than when staring directly at somebody.

[overcomebyfumes]

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Skrull milk?

'cause Jessica refusing to breast-feed (or simulate breast feeding) because she is a Skrull is riduculous. Why would a shape-shifting alien have a hang-up about breast-feeding? You does what you needs to do to mimic your chosen target.

I thought it was only Americans who got upset about seeing breasts. I guess you can add Skrulls to that list.

pax.

[overcomebyfumes]

Also as was noted in LiTG, Marvel's supposedly trying to get Frank Miller to come back to Marvel. However there was supposedly a pretty big issue that was keeping him from doing so. Surprise surprise that Elektra turns out to be a Skrull and gets killed. Leaving things open for Frank Miller to return. :)

Isn't DC currently having a number of problems with Frank Miller, with deadlines and also with the quality/content of his writing? Doen't Marvel already have enough writers who can't meet a deadline without adding Miller?

pax.

[Sean Whitmore]

Isn't DC currently having a number of problems with Frank Miller, with deadlines and also with the quality/content of his writing?

Some readers have problems with the quality of his writing. DC doesn't, far as we know.


SEAN

[Jack Zodiac]

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Skrull milk?

Long, long, long time ago, when the first Skrulls invaded, Reed hypnotized them into believing they were cows and leaving them to live as brainwashed cows on Earth. Pretty solid plan until you start thinking about what we do with cows.

Skrull beef was sold as hamburger and steak, but Skrull muscle tissue is poisonous to humans. Skrull milk was sold as well, and it gave those who drank it the Skrulls' shapeshifting ability, and also slowly mutated them into an actual Skrull.

Sounds like I'm making all of this up, doesn't it?

[InfinityCorp]

I was a touch disappointed by the ending. To be honest, I'm not sure what to make of it yet, so I will wait and see where this is going.

It seems to me that there are some similar themes playing out in the DC universe in a different way. People were upset when Jason Todd, Donna Troy, Ollie(Green Arrow) seemingly came back from the dead without a clear explaination. They are now explaining some of these events and working them to resolution.

This is where I come to the conclusion we can expect to be suspicious of characters that have mysteriously and/or recently come back from the dead. It is fair to say that Iron Man, Cap, Charles ect. are all safe because it would, indeed, be a horrible way to explain Civil War and other events.

But...

What about Hawkeye (Clint Barton)?
What about the Winter Soldier (Bucky Barnes)?
What about Jessica Jones (A Bendis creaton and prone to long "comas")?
Hell, I'm even suspicious of Captain Marvell (Mar-Vell) now, especailly, because he is Kree?...

I know that we want some of these charceters to be genuine, Bucky for Me, and I am aware of how all of there apparent "returns" have been explained. But, the skrulls have obviously been planning this for a looong time, and Elektra is only the tip of the iceburg...

[Syzygy]

I think it's more likely the Beyonder will be revealed as the one who manipulated Scarlet Witch.

Also added his powers to hers in order to inact the global reality altering change.

That would be absolutely horrible, and very, very insipid plotting. We'd lose the whole impact of House of M and Decimation. It'd be akin to waking up and finding it had all been a nightmare!

I dearly hope you are wrong.

Skrull reveals seem so cliche but Bendis has hinted on his board that they will not lead to endless retcons. I trust he wouldn't lie, so I'm optimistic.

I dearly hope you are correct.

[agrich]

No, Miller wanted her to stay dead. She only "came back" in a non-canon graphic novel.

Do some reading, and you'll find that to this day, Miller is pissed at Marvel for bringing her back to life.

I know Miller has said this, but how exactly are we supposed to interpret the Miller-written Daredevil 190, where Stone pretty clearly sacrifices himself to resurrect Elektra? I can buy that we are supposed to see that final cliff-climbing scene by Elektra as being internal or something, but then we're left with the disappearance of her body (and Stone's). There may be more than one way to interpret that scene, but Elektra being resurrected is absolutely one of them.

In any case, I've read a lot of interviews with Miller, and Elektra being brought back was never a reason he cited for not wanting to work at Marvel anymore. It was mostly to do with their entire business model and relationship with creators and so forth.

[SKJAM!]

As to why the Hand just bugged out without Elektra, there was that one member who kept talking in very basic Japanese, remember? I suspect that was the real leader, with Skrullektra as a figurehead.

[MRMcDermott]

So, when this is made into a movie, maybe they'll have this bit of dialogue?

LUKE CAGE:
(Hitting himself in the head with his shoe)

That was my Skrull!
I'm so wasted!
:D

[The Shadow]

I mean seriously - Earth's mightiest heroes have known about the Skrulls for how long? And in all that time they wouldnt have developed a credible device for checking DNA or figuring out if someone was a shapeshifter?
And wouldn't that be the very definition of a deus ex machina? Wouldn't that pretty much negate the Skrulls from ever being usable in any stories ever again if all they have to do is flip a Skrull-O-Meter on?

last I checked, a shapeshifter can only mimic a person's physical appearance, and not their mannerisms or vocal tells
... know a lot of shape shifters do ya? ;)

[The Shadow]

I'm really getting the sense that Brian Michael Bendis isnt' the superstar writer they've always said he was. I just don't see it. I read 25 issues of New Avengers, I couldn't even decide why they were together as a team before there was no team anymore.

THis is Marvel's top selling title, yet it doesn't seem to measure up to anything. I don't get it.
2 plus years of reading a book trying to "get it" seems like a lot of wasted time and money.

Just think how much more you would have enjoyed your comic reading experience if you'd been reading a book you did "get" instead of one you didn't!?

[Ender]

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Skrull milk?

'cause Jessica refusing to breast-feed (or simulate breast feeding) because she is a Skrull is riduculous. Why would a shape-shifting alien have a hang-up about breast-feeding? You does what you needs to do to mimic your chosen target.

I thought it was only Americans who got upset about seeing breasts. I guess you can add Skrulls to that list.

pax.


http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/kingscrossingskrull.htm

I know people on other boards have dismissed this but seriously it could explain a ton of things and it also wouldn't contradict the Skrull population woes that Annhilation created. Maybe a small group of Skrull started this and have been using Skrull milk based products since to build their legions.

And maybe Nick Fury knew this was the problem and made plans with Stark and Rogers to ferret out the true Skrulls. There is potential for all kinds of stories.

Either way I think the Skrull development is great. Simply because to me its pure comics.

[The Shadow]

Also, it looks like a few people are furiously anrgy at Bendis for "events" that have currently only taken place in their minds. Lets wait until he actually does something before we crucify him for it.

DAMN YOU AND YOUR SMART POSTS!!!!!!

[agrich]

I don't really have a problem with the Skrull development. And I think there is zero chance that the endgame of Civil War is going to be revealed to be a giant fakeout in which Steve Rogers and/or Tony Stark were actually Skrulls. Be serious.

Saying a villain (Elektra) in one story arc is actually a Skrull is a pretty minor development. Going back through the recent history of Marvel Comics stories and saying, Skrull, Skrull, Skrull is a whole lot different. I don't care if you like or dislike Bendis/Quesada/etc. No way they go there.

[scouse mouse]

Im not going to comment on Elektra again because it will just turn into another rant:mad: and Im waiting for Bendis' explanation. Jessica Jones is definitely a skrull though. The lack of concern she was showing about Luke, her inability to breast feed and the glowing green eyes of the baby all confirm it. I'm not actually sure if he baby is a Skrull though, it might be a hybrid or Jessica is using that "Skrull milk" that everyone is going on about to change its physiology.

[Ender]

How 'bout the radio active chemical she was exposed to was actually Skrull Milk.

[Brian M.]

I don't really have a problem with the Skrull development. And I think there is zero chance that the endgame of Civil War is going to be revealed to be a giant fakeout in which Steve Rogers and/or Tony Stark were actually Skrulls. Be serious.

Saying a villain (Elektra) in one story arc is actually a Skrull is a pretty minor development. Going back through the recent history of Marvel Comics stories and saying, Skrull, Skrull, Skrull is a whole lot different. I don't care if you like or dislike Bendis/Quesada/etc. No way they go there.

But just in case they do go back and do that, lets bash'm anyway!!! YEA!!! BURN BENDIS!!!!!!!!!!

[drupgyu]

Well, I think the Skrull thing, as much as it may cause a great deal of buzz about past storylines, probably has more to do with a future summer crossover. The potential for great stories exists and I'll give it a chance but Skrull appearances have lately been used to retcon bad (or at least divisive) stories.

Also, for me, Marvel has lately behaved like a girlfriend whom you have a great history with that cheats on you regularly. You want to dump them but seemingly can't. The fact that I actually sort of want the Skrulls to retcon Civil War, death of Cap and Professor X/Reed/Tony being elitist jerks just goes to show that WON'T happen.

Dark Horse is that really smart girl that isn't verty attractive that you date and Image is the really pretty dumb girl that you mostly feel guilty for being with. (This analogy is not intended to be misogynist and can be applied in the reverse)

Alas, I will be cuckoled again... :(

[Magneto Rocks]

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/796/796467p1.html

VERY impoprtant interview. A lot is answered- most importantly, Miriam Sharpe is not a Skrull, no-one was a Skrull during Secret War, House of M or Civil War. Details about the plotline, etc are there.

That at least assauges me SOMEWHAT so I can enjoy the story now.

[madrox1977]

Skrulls, god i hate the bloody skrulls....but anyway, artwork was good as usual, the fight leading up to the 'S' word was great, elektra burning cage was interesting and liking the clint/spidey banter......shouldnt wolverine reconised the skrull scent, he's been around enough of them to know by now surely to god......anyway....here's to finding out it was actually skrull police officers, firemen and ambulance people who stopped Cap at the end of CW.

[Mike Marino]

Im not going to comment on Elektra again because it will just turn into another rant:mad: and Im waiting for Bendis' explanation. Jessica Jones is definitely a skrull though. The lack of concern she was showing about Luke, her inability to breast feed and the glowing green eyes of the baby all confirm it. I'm not actually sure if he baby is a Skrull though, it might be a hybrid or Jessica is using that "Skrull milk" that everyone is going on about to change its physiology.

I'm not sure what you mean by lack of concern regarding Luke. I don't have the book in front of me, but I remember her asking Wong how Luke was, or if they could see if Luke was alright twice. Not only that, but when Strange cast the spell, wouldn't Jessica's intentions as a spy be revealed? I'm not buying her as a Skrull just yet.

I'm for this twist. I'm excited to see where they take this as there is an endless amount of stories they can tell revolving around trust and paranoia that could be some good, intense comics.

[The Shadow]

shouldnt wolverine reconised the skrull scent, he's been around enough of them to know by now surely to god

That's an interesting question... how much time has Wolverine spent around skrulls?

[Brian M.]

Great interview. For all those who hate Bendis, the man comes across very logical.

[madrox1977]

That's an interesting question... how much time has Wolverine spent around skrulls?

I'm going to say a lot...didnt they kindap him and replace him with a skrull pre "the twelve" storyline....also theres the issues from the 90's where the x-men fought skrulls in the shiar empire. sure there are more but surely being kidnapped by them they had him for a while?

[Brian M.]

Read the Bendis interview, it will put down a lot of the questions folks are asking.

[The Shadow]

I'm going to say a lot...didnt they kindap him and replace him with a skrull pre "the twelve" storyline....also theres the issues from the 90's where the x-men fought skrulls in the shiar empire. sure there are more but surely being kidnapped by them they had him for a while?

I wonder though... wouldn't they do stuff like sensory deprivation... especially to Wolverine? How did he escape?

Thanks for the info. I have a collection of around 24-25,000 comics and almost 23,000 of them are 3000 miles away... so it's hard for me to look up stuff! LOL

[DarkCrisis]

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/796/796467p1.html

VERY impoprtant interview. A lot is answered- most importantly, Miriam Sharpe is not a Skrull, no-one was a Skrull during Secret War, House of M or Civil War. Details about the plotline, etc are there.

That at least assauges me SOMEWHAT so I can enjoy the story now.

He doesnt say that. What he says is "The Skrulls didn't cause any of it".

Which is true. Wanda caused HoM, no Skrull has that much power. As for CW, the accident caused the human citizens to vote the Registration law in. Skrulls may have helped nudge it a bit but in the end the population did it.

[Rahul]

Everybody's Skrull this and Skrull that(Boy, Bendis has made the Skrulls popular again)!


Howcome nobody is discussing the awesomeness that is Spidey and Ronin's banter? This is priceless!


Spidey: This is a lot of ninjas.

Ronin: This is a ninja tea party.

Spidey: So its not me, there are too many ninjas right?

Ronin: They must be outsourcing.

Spidey: They must have a great package with benefits.

Ronin: Dental, Medical...

Spidey: Free Throwing Stars..

Ronin: You cant have enough throwing stars..

Spidey: Oh no. No, no.

Ronin: What?

Spidey: I'm not going to have to compete with you in the 'MID-BATTLE WITTY ZINGER' department, am I?

Ronin: You are.

Damn, make way for the new Luke Cage and Spidey!!!!

[Rahul]

Also,

Spidey: What did we come here for?

Ronin: Maya Lopez.

Spidey: Right...


On the other side, the Skrull set up leads to very interesting possibilities, so Elektra can join Uncle Ben in the always dead list, I hope...

[Camron Amaya]

All I can say is, damn Skrulls is some ugly motherf*$%**s

[patch]

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/796/796467p1.html

VERY impoprtant interview. A lot is answered- most importantly, Miriam Sharpe is not a Skrull, no-one was a Skrull during Secret War, House of M or Civil War. Details about the plotline, etc are there.

That at least assauges me SOMEWHAT so I can enjoy the story now.

thats all well and good until a writer says they were...he has opened pandora's box and frankly i dont have enough faith in marvel editorial to keep it in check

admititedly it has the makings of a very interesting next year or so...but this could go so bad its not even funny.

fingers crossed...

[Brian M.]

Everybody's Skrull this and Skrull that(Boy, Bendis has made the Skrulls popular again)!


Howcome nobody is discussing the awesomeness that is Spidey and Ronin's banter? This is priceless!


Spidey: This is a lot of ninjas.

Ronin: This is a ninja tea party.

Spidey: So its not me, there are too many ninjas right?

Ronin: They must be outsourcing.

Spidey: They must have a great package with benefits.

Ronin: Dental, Medical...

Spidey: Free Throwing Stars..

Ronin: You cant have enough throwing stars..

Spidey: Oh no. No, no.

Ronin: What?

Spidey: I'm not going to have to compete with you in the 'MID-BATTLE WITTY ZINGER' department, am I?

Ronin: You are.

Damn, make way for the new Luke Cage and Spidey!!!!

Oh I agree 100%

Spidey/Hawkeye stuff was freaking great. I loved every bit of it.

[CMBMOOL]

Everybody's Skrull this and Skrull that(Boy, Bendis has made the Skrulls popular again)!


Howcome nobody is discussing the awesomeness that is Spidey and Ronin's banter? This is priceless!


Spidey: This is a lot of ninjas.

Ronin: This is a ninja tea party.

Spidey: So its not me, there are too many ninjas right?

Ronin: They must be outsourcing.

Spidey: They must have a great package with benefits.

Ronin: Dental, Medical...

Spidey: Free Throwing Stars..

Ronin: You cant have enough throwing stars..

Spidey: Oh no. No, no.

Ronin: What?

Spidey: I'm not going to have to compete with you in the 'MID-BATTLE WITTY ZINGER' department, am I?

Ronin: You are.

Damn, make way for the new Luke Cage and Spidey!!!!

Now that funny, no wonder Spidey a loner in his own solo titles series. :o

[Yarr]

(Rant Warning)


The CBR Forums are really frustrating me today. I read this issue and I was like "oh cool, wicked, awesome!" and then when I got to the end I was like "oh crazy, a Skrull, but for how long? The baby too? Hmm maybe there are others!" and I was excited. I was happy and I ejoyed the comic. I also love the art! So gritty, so fitting to the comic books underground vibe.

I was excited because this clue has a massive amount of potential. That’s right, there is a HUGE amount of potential here. Too bad everyone is busy crying about how upset they are with Civil War and House of M and how this has got to be a clue to a plot that would fix those events... Everyone loves to just think up the worst possible scenario and dwell on that. People act like this is some kind of giant plot by Marvel to recon the last few marjor arcs. Not everything is a retooling. Marvel has said they planned all these big events out in a major arc. So if something doesn’t make sense, it’s probably not suppose to make sense.

I love going to forums for TV shows. Lost and Heroes have great forums. Shows like that always have a great community full of people who like to talk about all the cool things that could happen. There are the pessimists there too, but far more people who want to think of what cool thing could happen, rather than how stupid things could be.

The CBR Forums are different. Almost everyone just wants to bash Bendis before they even know what the clues really mean. Everyone wants to act like this is some big Deus ex machina. Well how we agree on this, no one can post about a Deus ex machina until they really understand what it is. Sounds good to me lol.

Seriously, there were many cool things in this issue no one has talked about. Why haven’t we? Because everyone wants to focus on what they think is going to be the end of their comic book world. Everyone wants to talk about how stupid this is, when we should be talking about how cool it could be.

I truly feel the problem with comic books these days is the Comic Book Forums. All it takes is one pessimist and everyone else jumps on board. I use to read comics with my friends and we would talk about them in grade school, high school and in college. It was always fun talking to my friends in real life about comics. Well, I don’t keep in touch with my comic friends anymore. I haven’t in a few years (I'm 26 now), so I started coming here. Wow. That’s all I can say. Wow. Its like people here try to find a reason to hate comics…

So can we talk about the issue from a positive perspective for all those readers still enjoy Comics? Can we not be pessimists for five minutes? Can we let the people who aren’t jaded have some fun prediction talk?

Let’s talk about something different maybe.


What were The Hand saying in Japanese?

What did Wolverine say in Japanese?

The banter between Clint and Peter was funny. Its nice to see Spider-man who isn’t all doom and gloom. Yeah it might be a little out of character, but then again, all of Peter Parker’s life he has had to deal with death and sadness, but he always kept his spirits high. So really I think it’s nice to see that Peter can still blow off some steam with the New Avengers. Lets leave angry emo Peter Parker for Spider-man 3 and the main titles.

Why didn’t The Hand take Electra with them? Maybe they were tricked too. The Hand never leave one of their own behind right? So clearly this would mean the Skrull was not part of The Hand. Maybe?

Is it possible that all this Skrull stuff is new? Maybe this all started after the Skrull home worlds were destroyed in Annihilation. Perhaps the Skrulls put a plan together because the heroes were distracted with Civil War.




(I do think there are a lot of great posts in this thread, and many more great posters on these forums, i just feel like they get over looked because of the louder more negative posters. Thank god for posters like Beast and Mike Smash)

[Rahul]

Yeah man, I too get peeved when there are too many negative and sometimes uninformed posts like these(and on other boards).

But this is the Internet, a large round for people to gather. Where there is too much gathering, there will be an accumulation of negativity. It is inevitable, you cant get rid of it.

The only way to repel it is to talk about the more positive aspects of things, like this issue's awesomeness!!!

[Jonah Weiland]

"New Avengers" #31 hit stores yesterday and contains a shocking twist that will have massive repercussions for the entire Marvel Universe. We spoke with writer Brian Michael Bendis about the issue. Spoilers Ahead

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10849

[CMBMOOL]

"New Avengers" #31 hit stores yesterday and contains a shocking twist that will have massive repercussions for the entire Marvel Universe. We spoke with writer Brian Michael Bendis about the issue. Spoilers Ahead

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10849

Well at least in this interview he mentions that the series will touch upon the aftermath of WWH. :D

[Lanowar]

This will be the second greatest Skrull plot ever...

The Skrull's plan to replace the Beatles with Skrulls (Operation British Invasion in Wisdom) is the greatest skrull plot on face value!

[A-Man]

Well. I really was shocked by the ending. In a good way or a bad way? I'm not exactly sure yet.
When all the talk started about something/someone lurking in the background of recent big events, i felt good about that - a big reveal and a big conspiracy can make a great story, but only if it really was planned out before these events actually happend.
On the other hand, using the Skrulls is not something i'm too thrilled about. The Bendis interview was also ambivalent: some points were reassuring (it's been carefully planned, there are various hints throughout comics, etc.), but some of what he said is quiet upsetting, like hinting at the possibility that one or more members of the Illuminati could have been switched/manipulated as early as the Kree-Skrull war! He might only have been pulling a Red HErring on us - hopefully, since it's a terrible idea to say "Hey, this or that character has been a Skrull FOR OVER 30 years".
Risky business, IMO, but anyway I say let's wait & hope for the best.

[Rahul]

Dammit Man I need NA 32 right now! I'm such a sucker for conspiracies like these....

[DarkCrisis]

I will say the best thing about this will be that hopefully they can fix the lame BP/Storm marriage.

[WetVirginia]

Something that jumped to my attention, and I haven't heard anybody mention yet, has to do with Bendis' hint to look for characters who have been mysteriously resurrected.

Well, ever since he came back in NA #27, people have been asking Hawkeye, "How are you alive again?" and he's essentially said "Don't worry about it." Sounds Skrully to me.

And just to keep track, the Hawkeye Accusations List:
-Hawkeye is Daredevil
-Hawkeye is Ronin
-Hawkeye is Captain America
-Hawkeye is a Skrull!

[CMBMOOL]

I will say the best thing about this will be that hopefully they can fix the lame BP/Storm marriage.

Yep, because if one of them a Skrull, then there is hope for the current Marvel U. :D

[DarkCrisis]

I dont think Hawkeye is a Skrull cause why would he go track down Wanda etc?

[MakeshiftHero]

This will be the second greatest Skrull plot ever...

The Skrull's plan to replace the Beatles with Skrulls (Operation British Invasion in Wisdom) is the greatest skrull plot on face value!

I love John the Skrull, Wisdom is just a great book. It would be awesome (but unlikely) if we get to see John and Wisdom talking to each other during this new big skrull story next year, and how John is either in on it or is forced to help the skrulls or is truly a friend to Wisdom and helps them fight the skrulls.

Or maybe John has already helped other people infiltrate the British Inteligence and now he's not the only Skrull in there?????

[Omega Alpha]

Something that jumped to my attention, and I haven't heard anybody mention yet, has to do with Bendis' hint to look for characters who have been mysteriously resurrected.

Well, ever since he came back in NA #27, people have been asking Hawkeye, "How are you alive again?" and he's essentially said "Don't worry about it." Sounds Skrully to me.

And just to keep track, the Hawkeye Accusations List:
-Hawkeye is Daredevil
-Hawkeye is Ronin
-Hawkeye is Captain America
-Hawkeye is a Skrull!

And the most shocking of them all: Hawkeye is CLINT BARTON!:eek:

[jpk]

Time for the 'heroes who might be Skrulls' speculation to begin!

1. Tony Stark
2. Reed Richards
3. Jessica (Jones) Cage
4. Clint Barton
5. Simon Williams

[DarkCrisis]

6. Luke Cage
7. Dead Cap A

[Beast]

6. Luke Cage
7. Dead Cap A
No. We've already been told that Captain America was not a skrull.

[myslead]

Hawkeye is Daredevil

when did that happen ?

[spidervenom]

Either cage or jessica jones is a skrull, my guess is its jessica. I Think clint is a skrull because he mysteriously appeared from the dead maybe he's a skrull sleeper agent. like they programed him to think he is clint instead of a skrull so at sometime the skrulls push a button and a bam he remembers his mission and now destroys the avengers from the inside.

[WetVirginia]

I think we're going to see some of the major MU government figures turn out to be Skrulls, as well. I think it would be hardcore if they revealed the President to be a Skrull, but I think it's pretty arbitrary to say that won't happen.

But maybe Henry Peter Gyrich? Jack Kooning?

I think, maybe save for somebody in the Illuminati (Chuck Xavier?), we're not going to see any major heroes revealed to be Skrulls. I think it's mostly going to be bit players, and people in seats of authority.

And, just cause Hawkeye went looking for Wanda doesn't disqualify him from being a Skrull--there's all sorts of reasons Bendis could invent, besides the one he presented, for him wanting to find her. Also, yeah, Iron Man positively ID'd him as Clint Barton, but if whatever tricks the Skrulls are using can fool Doc Strange and Wolverine, who's to say they can't fool Iron Man as well?

[scouse mouse]

He talks about sorting out what has happened to the real Elektra in the interview. There is a glimmer of hope that she isn't dead again. (Only faint though.) Also if Jessica is a Skrull does that that mean that she will be dead as well?

[myslead]

Clint is def not a skrull, we wouldn't have issues of him with him narrating saying that he dosen't understand jack**** of what's happening.

my guess is that Jessica Jones is a skrull, close enough to Luke to make him feel "being pulled by his strings" annnnd which mother dosen't realize or react when her son eyes changed to bright green in a flash like that?

[Wild Card13]

Something that jumped to my attention, and I haven't heard anybody mention yet, has to do with Bendis' hint to look for characters who have been mysteriously resurrected.

Well, ever since he came back in NA #27, people have been asking Hawkeye, "How are you alive again?" and he's essentially said "Don't worry about it." Sounds Skrully to me.

And just to keep track, the Hawkeye Accusations List:
-Hawkeye is Daredevil
-Hawkeye is Ronin
-Hawkeye is Captain America
-Hawkeye is a Skrull!

Actually, last I checked, Hawkeye was a teenage girl.

[WetVirginia]

when did that happen ?

It didn't, but when somebody was impersonating Daredevil during CW, that's what the big speculation was.

[spidervenom]

I was just looking at some of the solictations of new avengers and aparently the skrulls might have started the prison break at rykers and that one of there members might actually be a skrull and betray them.

[DarkCrisis]

No. We've already been told that Captain America was not a skrull.

And its not like Bendis has ever said one thing then done another just to make sure it was a hur hur hur surprise.

[Big Red Spider]

Dang-it I was actually starting to like this book til now. Tony Stark's not a skrull he's the impossible man *pop*.

[Sijo]

So that's the big reveal? That Skrulls have infiltrated Earth, and *may* be behind events like The Raft breakout or Civil War? I just hope there *is* a good explanation to why heroes who have been dealing with Skrulls (for decades, if we count the Lost Generation series) couldn't figure this out or found a way to detect them. Certainly, Mr. Fantastic SHOULD have created some kind of Skrull-detector, since the FF are the ones who most often deal with them. (Then again, they couldn't tell that the Alicia who married Johnny was actually a Skrull (it wasn't like she was doing out of character things like, oh, SLEEPING WITH JOHNNY before Ben came back to Earth! :rolleyes: ) OK, the Skrulls have had a major genetic reengineering once (when they lost their powers, then later regained them) and they do have advanced technology so presumably they have ways to fool such scanners (or may keep reinventing such means to fool other races -like the Kree- who surely also keep looking for ways to detect them.) Perhaps nanites that send out false signals? Hey, those are everywhere in Marvel these days. Watch for the next big reveal to be that Tony is actually being manipulated by the Extremis. (Personal theory.)

But I get the impression that people like Millar and Bendis just don't think these things through. Who infiltrated Tony's group in Civil War? Hulkling, a half-Skrull. Right under Richard's nose. And we just got the Beyonder as a Mutant Inhuman from Bendis, for no reason at all. I thought that Ultimate Marvel was created so people like them could play with Marvel characters while leaving the original ones alone? Or is that universe also their toy now? If so, count me out.

[spidervenom]

Just read the bendis interview on newsarama and it seems that after the first issue of the illuminati when they escaped one of them might be a skrull my guess is reed.

[Roquefort Raider]

Well, although that was the basic plot for the ROM series, I guess that with a modern twist this idea could work again.

Brian Bendis is actually quite good at writing great stories from recycled material: unmasking Daredevil comes to mind. There's a lot of potential to this "Cylons look like us" and "the thing from another world" theme.

(Although if Mary Jane turns out to be a skrull so that Peter Parker can get un-married, I'll scream).

[Keith_Martineau]

So that's the big reveal? That Skrulls have infiltrated Earth, and *may* be behind events like The Raft breakout or Civil War? I just hope there *is* a good explanation to why heroes who have been dealing with Skrulls (for decades, if we count the Lost Generation series) couldn't figure this out or found a way to detect them. Certainly, Mr. Fantastic SHOULD have created some kind of Skrull-detector, since the FF are the ones who most often deal with them. (Then again, they couldn't tell that the Alicia who married Johnny was actually a Skrull (it wasn't like she was doing out of character things like, oh, SLEEPING WITH JOHNNY before Ben came back to Earth! :rolleyes: ) OK, the Skrulls have had a major genetic reengineering once (when they lost their powers, then later regained them) and they do have advanced technology so presumably they have ways to fool such scanners (or may keep reinventing such means to fool other races -like the Kree- who surely also keep looking for ways to detect them.) Perhaps nanites that send out false signals? Hey, those are everywhere in Marvel these days. Watch for the next big reveal to be that Tony is actually being manipulated by the Extremis. (Personal theory.)

But I get the impression that people like Millar and Bendis just don't think these things through. Who infiltrated Tony's group in Civil War? Hulkling, a half-Skrull. Right under Richard's nose. And we just got the Beyonder as a Mutant Inhuman from Bendis, for no reason at all. I thought that Ultimate Marvel was created so people like them could play with Marvel characters while leaving the original ones alone? Or is that universe also their toy now? If so, count me out.

You DO realize that everything you are talking about and suggesting would make it impossible to ever tell an interesting Skrull story again right?

[Brian M.]

I think if ANY of the Illuminati are Skrulls it's Namor.

You have Atlantean sleeper cells on the service along w/ apprently Skrull sleeper cells. Twice the info being gathered. Namor always has a thing for taking over the surface world. Remember his fantasy in Illuminati #3...could be a metaphor. Plus I think making Namor a Skrull would make the least ripples through continuity.

[Jmacq1]

I think we're going to see some of the major MU government figures turn out to be Skrulls, as well. I think it would be hardcore if they revealed the President to be a Skrull, but I think it's pretty arbitrary to say that won't happen.

I've been a proponent of the "President will turn out to be a super-villain" theory for quite a while now, generally specifically in relation to Bendis "mystery" storyline. Now I'm almost more convinced then ever.

I mean, look at the timing...the big "event" will hit in 2008, just in time to take a parting shot at Bush in his last year in office. It'd even fit with the theorized subversive nature of things like Civil War and The Initiative. It also fits the "multi-year plan" Joe Quesada has mentioned in the past.

It's all a build-up to a giant "FU" from Marvel to George W. Bush...I'm tellin' ya. ;)

[CMBMOOL]

I think if ANY of the Illuminati are Skrulls it's Namor.

You have Atlantean sleeper cells on the service along w/ apprently Skrull sleeper cells. Twice the info being gathered. Namor always has a thing for taking over the surface world. Remember his fantasy in Illuminati #3...could be a metaphor. Plus I think making Namor a Skrull would make the least ripples through continuity.

Well that would explain why he stood up for the Hulk when the Illuminati voted to exile`him off the planet. :(

[Brian M.]

Well that would explain why he stood up for the Hulk when the Illuminati voted to exile`him off the planet. :(

That could make sense...do you want an extremely pissed off Hulk rampagin the world when you come and invade or do you a relatively normal Hulk rampaging the world when you and invade? Course Namor could be normal and the other 3 could be Skrulls...send the Hulk off world inorder to get him away when you invade.

[Red Lotus]

I think if ANY of the Illuminati are Skrulls it's Namor.

You have Atlantean sleeper cells on the service along w/ apprently Skrull sleeper cells. Twice the info being gathered. Namor always has a thing for taking over the surface world. Remember his fantasy in Illuminati #3...could be a metaphor. Plus I think making Namor a Skrull would make the least ripples through continuity.

Yeah him and maybe Black Bolt. But I cant rule out Professor X. Maybe thats why he wasn't in House of M and didn't he leave the earth with the mutant Skrulls they could have replaced him then.

If the Skrulls have Professor X they could use his powers to give their agents the memories of whoever they are impersonating. Plus I don’t know why, but I kind of like the idea of the Professor Xavier we all know being a fake and at the end the real one comes back and has to deal with grown students and students he knows nothing about.

[Sijo]

You DO realize that everything you are talking about and suggesting would make it impossible to ever tell an interesting Skrull story again right? No it doesn't. I *actually* helped explain why the Skrulls still succeed in their infiltrations. And I didn't say the Skrulls weren't interesting, thought this is a pretty unimaginative reuse of them. In the end, it's always the writing that makes a story interesting, even the lamest characters can be used well if you know how.

Btw, weren't the Skrulls just wiped out in Annihilation? (I missed it, so I don't know.) If so, any agents on Earth would be stuck.

[Beast]

Yeah him and maybe Black Bolt. But I cant rule out Professor X. Maybe thats why he wasn't in House of M and didn't he leave the earth with the mutant Skrulls they could have replaced him then.

If the Skrulls have Professor X they could use his powers to give their agents the memories of whoever they are impersonating. Plus I don’t know why, but I kind of like the idea of the Professor Xavier we all know being a fake and at the end the real one comes back and has to deal with grown students and students he knows nothing about.
It wouldn't make a lick of sense with what Xavier's been going through though.

[Red Lotus]

It wouldn't make a lick of sense with what Xavier's been going through though.

Ok how about Colossu. Chances are the Skrulls have people in side S.H.I.E.L.D and S.W.O.R.D.. What if they wanted to get an agent inside the X-men and they set up Ord knowing that the X-men would free Colossus.

[OctEgon]

I didn't know that the Skrulls had a religious text claiming that Earth was theirs. Is this going to be Marvel's analogy for the Israel/Palatine wars?

[Kefky]

I didn't know that the Skrulls had a religious text claiming that Earth was theirs. Is this going to be Marvel's analogy for the Israel/Palatine wars?

http://www.leaderslair.com/fantasticfour/ff347.html

Incidentally, Wolverine also couldn't detect a skrull in that issue.

[Rich L]

I like the idea of the Skrulls having agents on Earth disrupting various people's lives in general - but I think that they need to be careful with who exactly they reveal to be Skrulls.

They need to know when these characters were replaced by Skrulls, and what happened to the original characters.

More than that, they need to resist the temptation to use it as a catch-all reboot for 'fixing' characters that go off the rails.

Anyway, I did some digging and managed to find the cover to New Avengers #32 hidden on the Marvel site....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/richlovatt/NewAvengers32.jpg (http://comicbycomic.blogspot.com/2007/06/new-avengers-32-spoilers.html)

[Kefky]

I like the idea of the Skrulls having agents on Earth disrupting various people's lives in general - but I think that they need to be careful with who exactly they reveal to be Skrulls.

They need to know when these characters were replaced by Skrulls, and what happened to the original characters.

More than that, they need to resist the temptation to use it as a catch-all reboot for 'fixing' characters that go off the rails.

Anyway, I did some digging and managed to find the cover to New Avengers #32 hidden on the Marvel site....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/richlovatt/NewAvengers32.jpg (http://comicbycomic.blogspot.com/2007/06/new-avengers-32-spoilers.html)

Man, I SO hope that happens! Cage is gonna go nuts!

[theardri]

It turns out that Elektra and Luke's baby are actually alien Skrulls in disguise. We don't know how long they've been impersonating these two characters, or what their purpose is. It seems like the issue was implying that alot of Marvel characters may be Skrulls in disguise and we just don't know it.


Ok having not got my stash for the week (I was stuck at home with a injured mutt) ... assuming this is not a load of bull either ... did'nt Marvel learn from the whole "Wolveriene is Dead... oh wait he's actually DEATH (4 horsemen) and the Wolvie that died is a Skrull" debarcle of the origional Astonishing Xmen/ The 12 arc?

[We R. Venom]

This is great and I can't wait to read more. Great stories Bendis, keep it up!

[KOSLOX]

Man, I SO hope that happens! Cage is gonna go nuts!

Yeah, Luke cage will go bat-@#@! crazy. He beat the hell out of Purple Man, before cap told him to lay off. Hopefully, if Jess was revealed to be a Skrull, they'd never really let Cage know if she was ever really a human or not. That would completely mess, dude up. Super-Skrull has hypnosis, and they been making all sorts of new variation on the superskrull formula, lately in YA and Runaways. She could have just been hypnotizing people to trusting her the whole time.

[theardri]

I've been a proponent of the "President will turn out to be a super-villain" theory for quite a while now, generally specifically in relation to Bendis "mystery" storyline. Now I'm almost more convinced then ever.

I mean, look at the timing...the big "event" will hit in 2008, just in time to take a parting shot at Bush in his last year in office. It'd even fit with the theorized subversive nature of things like Civil War and The Initiative. It also fits the "multi-year plan" Joe Quesada has mentioned in the past.

It's all a build-up to a giant "FU" from Marvel to George W. Bush...I'm tellin' ya. ;)


Hmm that is a lot like the origional Wildcats first arc where Dan Q (the VP) turned out to be a Deamonite (shape changer) ;)

[Yarr]

Right now my guess for people who are Skrulls are

- Clint
- Jessica Jones and Baby
- Normand Osborn

based on the interview with Bendis on Newsarama

[rogerio]

oh man, I'm loving this :) well, here go my list:
Norman Osborn
Maria Hill
Milla
Ms. Marvel (kidding!)
Bucky? (nooooo, please! I love the Winter Soldier...:) )

[comic_dad]

I'll be honest, at first I was like WTF!?! How can this have major ramifications through out the Marvel Universe? Then I settled down a bit and let it all soak in. This could be a brilliant development if you take in the whole scope that this may encompass. I don't think Tony or Steve are Skrull. I do think that there may be other heroes who can possibly be...even regular civvies or military-esque characters like Maria Hill could be Skrull.
As I am typing this I happened to rean an interview with Bendis at another site and he puts it all into perspective with the big reveal and the possibilities for the future with this scenario.

I am totally pumped up for what may happen and look forward to New Avengers #32.

[Sean Whitmore]

Bendis gives a great interview. Even if I wasn't already excited about the implications of Skrull sleeper agents, he would have convinced me to be.

The way he imagines Wolverine's reaction is great: "No. This is a war. We may have lost already. If that's the case, then we can't even continue this conversation because I don't know who the **** you people are and I don't know who the **** I'm talking to!"

After being humiliated in Illuminati and nearly destroyed in Annihilation, the Skrull's are through [bleep]ing around? Yes, please, I'll have some of that.


SEAN

[protege]

I have to admit, I'm dropping new Avengers as of this issue. i'm not interested in conspiracy theories, don't care if this ties into civil war or not, but the artwork is just so muddled and murky, I couldn't even read the darn thing.

[Unkillable Cat]

If any of the Illuminati are Skrulls, it's most likely Reed, Tony or Namor. Tony would be the easiest as he's just human. Reed's and Namor's power are not that far out that the Skrulls can't duplicate them.

Dr. Strange could also be replaced, but the only way I could see that happening is that they'd have a Skrull learn magic to match Dr. Strange. Once he's as capable as the original, the real magic trick would be pulled and we'd have Dr. Skrull.

Which leaves Black Bolt and Xavier. Xavier is out because of recent happenings in Uncanny X-Men. It just wouldn't make one iota of sense for Xavier to be a Skrull - again. As for Black Bolt - while his powers can be duplicated, it's not an easy feat. And isn't Medusa in some sort of mental contact with him, so that she knows him inside-and-out? If anyone would notice a change in Medusa, it would be her.

Unless, of course, both Black Bolt and Medusa were changed at once...

As for other characters...I do not think Maria Hill is a Skrull. But it's even money that almost everyone else around her in S.H.I.E.L.D. are. The Skrulls know that when the Heroes find out the Skrulls have infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D., Maria will be at the top of the list of suspects. For them to accuse her of Skrullism and then discover she's human would be a good smokescreen for the Skrulls. Dum-Dum is a possibility, especially since Wolverine's son stabbidy-stabbed him in Origins, yet we see him later alive and well on the Helicarrier.

I don't think Colossus is a Skrull, but another possible Mutant suspect is Dazzler. She's been dying alot lately and then coming back to life...and no-one knows why.

And what about the Blob seen being held by the Thunderbolts during Civil War? He didn't look de-powered to me, unlike the real Blob.

As for my opinion on all of this...Someone said it here before: This has alot of potential. I wanna see what Marvel makes of that potential before judging anyone or anything.

[Brian M.]

Yeah him and maybe Black Bolt. But I cant rule out Professor X. Maybe thats why he wasn't in House of M and didn't he leave the earth with the mutant Skrulls they could have replaced him then.

If the Skrulls have Professor X they could use his powers to give their agents the memories of whoever they are impersonating. Plus I don’t know why, but I kind of like the idea of the Professor Xavier we all know being a fake and at the end the real one comes back and has to deal with grown students and students he knows nothing about.

Well Black Bolt did lose to the Hulk...that could explain things a bit...

[Sean Whitmore]

Of the Illuminati, we can pretty safely rule out:

Tony. It would render Civil War meaningless and is the exact example of what Bendis said would be crap writing.

Black Bolt, since it throws all of Silent War out of whack.

Namor, if for no other reason than his current mini series.

Xavier, because of the whole "merged with the M'Kraan Crystal" thing.

My guess would have to be either Reed or Strange, since they haven't specifically been behind anything huge lately. Strange sat out Civil War and is so far doing the same in WWH. And Reed wasn't the impetus behind Civil War, he was just on Tony's side.


SEAN

[Lord S]

I'm loving this! Finally a retcon for that mess that was Civil War.

Not to toot my own horn, but I was one of the people that called it many months ago! Not the exact scenario...but the concept of the Skrulls invading. They've been planning an invasion for a long time, and when the Annihilation Wave wiped them out, they decided to strike...I stick by that theory.

Here for your viewing pleasures were my predictions:

From the first Illuminati issue
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=4139619#post4139619

And in the Civil War theories thread
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=4139637#post4139637

I r0xx0rz!!1 :cool:

[Brian M.]

Of the Illuminati, we can pretty safely rule out:

Tony. It would render Civil War meaningless and is the exact example of what Bendis said would be crap writing.

Black Bolt, since it throws all of Silent War out of whack.

Namor, if for no other reason than his current mini series.

Xavier, because of the whole "merged with the M'Kraan Crystal" thing.

My guess would have to be either Reed or Strange, since they haven't specifically been behind anything huge lately. Strange sat out Civil War and is so far doing the same in WWH. And Reed wasn't the impetus behind Civil War, he was just on Tony's side.


SEAN

See I think it fits with Black Bolt and Namor.

If it's Reed it throws out what...30 years almost of FF?

Dr. Strange I could see, but that Skrull would have to be damn good at magics...

[jackolover]

I'm not convinved that the leap people are making about Jessica and the baby being Skrulls is correct. All I see is a mother not breast-feeding. What do you see? No. Until we get real comfirmation of Skrull inclusion in the Cage family, I don't buy it.

However, the quotes for NA #33 state that the NA have to deal with last issues (NA #32) revelation of a traitor. This may be Jessica, or, it may be someone else. I think I'll wait and see, first.

[Sean Whitmore]

If it's Reed it throws out what...30 years almost of FF?

Oh, see, I didn't think that anyone has been a Skrull for that long. I'm assuming the Skrulls have been planning this for a long time, but the actual replacement of people is a more recent thing.

I mean, jeez, if any of the Illuminati has been a Skrull since the Kree/Skrull War, that doesn't make a lick of sense.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm loving this! Finally a retcon for that mess that was Civil War.

Except Bendis just said no it isn't.


SEAN

[StoneGold]

I'm loving this! Finally a retcon for that mess that was Civil War.
:

Except apparently the part where you missed when Bendis explicitly said it wasn't a retcon for CW.

D'oh. Me am slower then Sean.

[Lord S]

Except Bendis just said no it isn't.


SEAN Damn...I was excited for like three minutes.

[Trey]

So, first of all is this story plausable? Could a skrull impersonate someone for years, without being detected?

A) Can a Skrull mimic memories and mannerisms? voice? the way they kiss and love?

B) Can a skrull mimic superpowers? mutant abilities?

C) Are Skrulls ever this patient as a race or military attackers?

D) Is Bendis screwing years of stories? How do these writers and artists feel about that?

E) Would telepaths be able to detect traces of Skrull thinking over the months and years they may have interacted with the imposter?

I need experts in Skrullology to answer these questions.

And Bendis needs to build his own stories and stop screwing past events! the same with Bru, Bucky, Vulcan. Oh yeah the art on NA blows. Secret War was craptacular, a complete mess.

[Trey]

I'm not convinved that the leap people are making about Jessica and the baby being Skrulls is correct. All I see is a mother not breast-feeding. What do you see? No. Until we get real comfirmation of Skrull inclusion in the Cage family, I don't buy it.

However, the quotes for NA #33 state that the NA have to deal with last issues (NA #32) revelation of a traitor. This may be Jessica, or, it may be someone else. I think I'll wait and see, first.

Note the green eyes of the baby on the last page? Someone in the family could be a skrull.

[Sean Whitmore]

A) Can a Skrull mimic memories and mannerisms? voice? the way they kiss and love?
B) Can a skrull mimic superpowers? mutant abilities?
C) Are Skrulls ever this patient as a race or military attackers?
E) Would telepaths be able to detect traces of Skrull thinking over the months and years they may have interacted with the imposter?

Well, at the very least, I can answer these questions with: Sometimes.

For evidence, I point out Super Skrull, Lyja the Laserfist, and the Skrull who mimicked Wolverine.


SEAN

[protege]

Except Bendis just said no it isn't.<