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[drwho]

I tried to like this, but I didn't. I didnt like

1. The way Namor seems totally ineffective as a leader.
2. The ugly costume he has.
3. I felt like his dialog was weak in some places and he came off as a push over.
4. Didnt like how they depicted Atlantis as being futuristic. I'm more used to the old style look.
5. The art not so great.

I would pass this if you arent a continuity freak, or a fan of Namor. There is an appearance by Nitro and it mentions more about the Atlantean Sleeper Cells. Also Namora makes an appearance here.

[32Cage]

I tried to like this, but I didn't. I didnt like

1. The way Namor seems totally ineffective as a leader.
2. The ugly costume he has.
3. I felt like his dialog was weak in some places and he came off as a push over.
4. Didnt like how they depicted Atlantis as being futuristic. I'm more used to the old style look.
5. The art not so great.

I would pass this if you arent a continuity freak, or a fan of Namor. There is an appearance by Nitro and it mentions more about the Atlantean Sleeper Cells. Also Namora makes an appearance here.


Interesting. I enjoyed the book for almost all of the reasons that you didn't. I didn't think Namor was ineffective as a leader. He took a stand on moral principle rather than giving in to public opinion. Pushover, he didn't seem to tolerant to me. The uniform he wore at the end of the issue was imo stylish. And aren't the Atlanteans technology supposedly more advanced than our own?

[Lanowar]

I don't like the concept that Standford is destroyed and everything hits the fan, 900 people die in kansas and what do we get "we'll be watching you". Mass death in the marvel universe you got to love it for the reason that no one really seems to care.

Over in DC Amazon Attacks while a awful book not even awful it's below awful is at least being referenced by other books to show the fact that amazons are indeed attacking. Here it's more 900 died...fair enough

[The Iron Fist]

I have yet to buy this, but what's being said about it is questioning whether or not I should?

[Omega Alpha]

It was a good issue. I like how Namor is being written in recent years as the most pragmatic guy in the MU, and the ending certainly fits; he doesn't want a war, but if it happens, he will have no remorse in killing everybody.

[Enigmanaut]

It seemed like Amazons Attack, only more subtle. Still, not my cuppa.

[Kefky]

I thought it was a solid issue, but I wanna hear some explanation from Namor about all these sleeper cells he installed on Earth. 'Cause he was just looking for trouble when he did that.

[Captain Mobra]

"looking for trouble" LOL.

Every time someone pees in the ocean he could consider it an act of war, so I doubt he was trying to start any conflicts.

[myslead]

"looking for trouble" LOL.

Every time someone pees in the ocean he could consider it an act of war, so I doubt he was trying to start any conflicts.

ahah, funny stuff.

[Magneto Rocks]

I enjoyed it. Not least because Tony was reasoned and rational, as is happening more and more often these days.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I realy liked it. I felt a little annoyed that they were using the old "Dark and Mysterious Puppeter" angel, but depending on how it plays out it could be great.

[Brian M.]

Namor's a Skrull.

[We R. Venom]

I'm definately going to have to read this for myself.:rolleyes:

[Sean Walsh]

Namora? Does it explain how she reconnected with Namor and Atlantis following AGENTS OF ATLAS?

[jackolover]

That World Alliance of Doom, Panther, Namor and Black Bolt seems a wasted effort now, doesn't it? BB is a shriveled mess under Maderson Square Gardens; Panther, who was effective against Galactus, and could have helped Bolt against the Hulk, was off in Zombie land; and now Namors Atlantis is a wreck. The only one who came out of this with any respect is Doom.

I also didn't like this Namor, compared to Guggenheims. Guggenheims Namor was nasty, and had regality. Here, we have a Prince Namor again, trying to counter court politics. Namor should be in charge and pulling the strings.

However, saying all that, a 13th sleeper cell going rogue is not all that fanciful, and the way it was handled makes sense, plotwise.

The art was good, and the plot had that retrospective story-telling that Bendis used in NA, and PWJ, which I don't like much. I like to see the story go in a straight line, not zig-zag back and forth so it doesn't make sense. It's just how my mind works.

Edit: Yeah. That black figure Namor has hidden away in shield is a mystery. Since the abstract linking of Agents of Atlas to Namor, Shield, and Panther, this makes it even more intriguing.

[Arilou]

I kind of liked Namor. He came across as his usual smug self. Reminding us why we keep kings far away from politics....

[Omega the Unknown]

not loving it so far, mainly due to the art.

the art was terrible. only way you could tell it was namor is the pointed ears, might as well been mr spock.

and was that doc doom namor was talking to? "old friend"? calling Stark a "sniveling dog"?

sounds like doom to me.

[jackolover]

and was that doc doom namor was talking to? "old friend"? calling Stark a "sniveling dog"?

sounds like doom to me.

Probably not Doom. Why would Doom bother being a plant in Shield? But 'old friend' could be Steve Rogers, the Human Torch (old), Winter Soldier

[bulbasteve]

Probably not Doom. Why would Doom bother being a plant in Shield? But 'old friend' could be Steve Rogers, the Human Torch (old), Winter Soldier

I think your being a bit too literal. I'm thinking it's BP. The reference to the sniviling dog and having told him a long time ago would probably be about the meeting to start the Illuminati. And if Namora is in the series (was she in the issue? I don't remember) there is the Agents of Atlas link with the Wakandan SHIELD agent.

[jackolover]

I think your being a bit too literal. I'm thinking it's BP. The reference to the sniviling dog and having told him a long time ago would probably be about the meeting to start the Illuminati. And if Namora is in the series (was she in the issue? I don't remember) there is the Agents of Atlas link with the Wakandan SHIELD agent.

Unless Namor is out of character, he would never refer to BP as 'old friend'. He holds most people in comtempt. But besides that, how would Panther be a plant in Shield? He's nearly an outlaw with them, but Panthers plant agent could be his contact and Panther could be updating Namor, although I don't know why Namor is so chummy.

Namora, as far as I remember, doesn't appear in this book. She presumably appears in IH #108, or there abouts, beause she's on that cover, but not the Sub-Mariner book.

[Red Orion]

Probably not Doom. Why would Doom bother being a plant in Shield? But 'old friend' could be Steve Rogers, the Human Torch (old), Winter Soldier

i think you may be confused. The figure Namor is talking to isn't the plant in SHIELD but somebody who has multiple plants in SHIELD working for them.

[jackolover]

i think you may be confused. The figure Namor is talking to isn't the plant in SHIELD but somebody who has multiple plants in SHIELD working for them.

Okay, it looks like the someone is the moles handler, and it was the handler that referred to Namor as 'old friend', and he warned Namor years ago of some obscure threat. It could be Captain Britain, because he looks like he is a mask. Or Panther and maybe Jimmy Wu of Agents of Atlantis... oops Atlas.

[The Shadow]

Unless Namor is out of character, he would never refer to BP as 'old friend'. He holds most people in comtempt.

Perhaps Winter Soldier then??

He and Bucky had a good talk a while ago... and Bucky's been working with Fury and SHIELD.

[jackolover]

Perhaps Winter Soldier then??

He and Bucky had a good talk a while ago... and Bucky's been working with Fury and SHIELD.

I don't think Bucky has enough organisation to have a team of moles in Shield. Fury maybe, but I don't know about the blackened face.

[Omega the Unknown]

I would love it if it was jim hammond, hated the way they killed him off in that new invaders book, but calling someone a "sniveling dog" isnt his style.

not the way bucky talks either.

they have my interest in this book so far, but I sure wish the art would improve.

bill everitt drew subby better back in the 40's, imho.

[Shyft]

The Art was really awful. It's a shame, because i really like Namor.

[kalorama]

I thought the book was "eh" overall, mostly because I think Namor works better as a supporting character than a lead.

The mysterious contact is most likely BP. It's would not be out of recently established character for him to refer to Panther as "old friend" given how the nature of their relationship was established in the BP comic (Namor essentially arranged T'Challa and Orroro's honeymoon)..

I quite liked the art. Really can't see what the complaints about it are. The drawing was good (not great, but it was solid and dynamic); the storytelling was clear and well executed, the inking added mood and atmosphere.

[Adset]

I'm an Invaders homer and like almost anything related to it, so I liked it. Nothing groundbreaking, but a nice start

[XPac]

It was an alright start. So far it's more build up than anything else, but that's pretty much how comic book stories work in this day and age.

I'm liking the Namor character recently (Bendis in particular has done an excellent job with him), and it does continue some of the storylines from Civil War so it at least has my attention.

I'll definately keep my eye on this series.

[sephirothskiller]

I'll be interested if Leviathan shows up and eats Iron Man.

[Will.S]

I thought this was a decent issue.

It seems like they're really playing off the political aspects of Namor that were shown in Civil War with the sleeper cells, mysterious 3rd parties and a closer look at Namor's reign of Atlantis. I liked that they showed Nitro in the holding cell and Iron Man's talk about the Alexandria compared to the destruction of the Atlantean city.

Other than that there's not much else to go on other than Namor is going to probably beat some people up on the surface world. The artwork starts out good but turns really sloppy towards the end, I especially disliked the busy looking suit Namor's wearing at the end. We'll see how the mini progresses but it is pretty refreshing to see a Namor title out on the racks even if it's just a limited series.

5/10

[Sean Whitmore]

600 people killed in Connecticut makes the country lose its mind, but apparently 900 people killed in Kansas isn't all that big a deal. Little odd.

And I think there needs to be a good in-story reason for Nitro being alive. Or at the very least, why he's still snarky and relatively healthy instead of being tortured half to death on a daily basis.


SEAN

[jackolover]

600 people killed in Connecticut makes the country lose its mind, but apparently 900 people killed in Kansas isn't all that big a deal. Little odd.

And I think there needs to be a good in-story reason for Nitro being alive. Or at the very least, why he's still snarky and relatively healthy instead of being tortured half to death on a daily basis.


SEAN

Possessing Nitro was always going to bite the Atlanteans in the butt. And having Nitro blow up Atlantis, it wouldn't be a few broken buildings all over the city. There would be this big hole that took out a whole block. What happened in Atlantis looks like a battle over a large area with random hits on buildings. Not one big conflagration.

[jackolover]

See, another big concern is the skeleton of a King on a throne, seen in this issue. If it was Namor that was killed, what the hell does that mean?

[z0mbie_aut0pil0t]

I liked this issue a lot turns out. I've never read a lot of Namor stuff but he seems like a cool character. The story was well written in my opinion but the art was kinda lame.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I liked the issue a lot. Marvel is making Iron Man a little busy, though. Now not only is he going to fight against the Hulk, he has to take on Namor.

[Frank]

It always feel like comic companies do not look at mini-series like this in great light when they do not put on top notch artists on them. I mean Namor should have somebody that will make him look extra good because we all know that if it fails, we won't have a Namor book for another three years. I think this particular editor did a bad job. Now i've looked at the comic off the rack and didn't buy it because of the art. And i'm huge Namor fan. My thought was "fails again, better luck next time". :( If there's enough good critics, i'll probably buy the trade. But I think Namor not only needed an ongoing not a mini-series but it needed an artist of the level of Michael Lark or that guy that's drawing Iron Fist. It seems to me The Avenging Son should be more important than Iron Fist, right?

p.s. I hope Namor is better portrayed than he's been in most Marvel books these days. All they do is make him a one-dimensional jerk. All this "leave me alone, i'm not interfering" crap is awful. It does the opposite of making him heroic. Today's writers forget that Namor is also a HERO and that honor is important. And he would help his friends head on with the impulsivity of a child. The guy is too good by default. Sure he's arrogant and act before he thinks but something he's never been is distant. Millar, Bendis, Pak failed this character.