There was no warp drive on that SHIELD shuttle?!

[MV21702]

I haven't seen where anyone has mentioned this or maybe I'm not reading it right, but in Hulk #100 where Amadeus confronts Richard Reed about sending Hulk away, Amadeus specifically asks if the ship had a warp drive and Richard said no.

If that is the case then what does this mean? It wouldn't make sense for Richard to lie about it at that point? Richard is likely completely innocent with regard to the warp drive explosion.

So unless the warp drive explosion was a little "going away gift" from Ironman in case Bruce tried to repair or rig the shuttle to escape, I now believe the theory that the explosion was rigged by Miek to get a little payback against the "pinkskins" without appearing responsible, and the device was some one of kind bomb the emporer had stashed in the science lab.

[Magneto Rocks]

That's an EXCELLENT point actually...

And despite people's seemning hatred of Iron Man, Planet Hulk was begun and plotted before most writers decided it would suit their personal storytelling purposes to ignore history and make Tony a bit of an asshole so I doubt Greg Pak had it in mind. Black Bolt is actually more likely as a more practical person.

Can we validate this- and if so... what DOES it mean? A hint, perhaps that we were slow to pick up on?

[MV21702]

Yes, you're right about that in regard to Ironman, it also wouldn't sense for him or anyone else to rig the shuttle to blow up in spite just to anger the Hulk. The shuttle probably had only enough fuel to reach the destination planet which wouldn't have any resources to re-fuel or repair the shuttle.

I could be wrong but I think the Illumnati and SHIELD had absolutely nothing to do with that explosion whatsoever.

[CMBMOOL]

Wow that is a clever plot point that I hope that WWH may pick up upon. :o


So it COULD MEAN that there IS a traitor within the Hulk's Warbound. :(

[jigrig]

In the issue where it explodes Archee & the wildibots get a message, dont have the issue in hand but I believe it mentions a warp core or something to that effect.

[Magneto Rocks]

If that is the case, I take my hat off to Greg Pak because that is what I call subtle and clever plotting.

Really hope it's true and not a giant anomaly.

[Hrungr]

I've seen this brought up before and personally I think there was just a terminology mixup somewhere in there. Because how exactly was the shuttle supposed to get to this "unihabited world" without a warp drive?

[Magneto Rocks]

I'm reasonably sure there are means of propulsion beyond warp drives.

Seems too similar terminology usage to be an accident. And why would Amadaeus even ask if it wasn't going to factor into Pak's plans down the line?

[Hrungr]

I'm reasonably sure there are means of propulsion beyond warp drives.

Seems too similar terminology usage to be an accident. And why would Amadaeus even ask if it wasn't going to factor into Pak's plans down the line?
It could be, but if it was I would have expected something more in their original discussion to give it weight ("It only had a Class 2 Plasma Drive") or something along those lines. It's not to say it couldn't be some foreshadowing but my gut tells me it's just worded improperly.

[Dorsai]

I'm probably more in the "Reed Richards lied" camp. After all, we had Ms. Marvel telling Spider-Woman that Cap was alive and in prison and not really dead. I had assumed that comment was her passing on a lie but is it really past Richards to lie to Amadeus Cho? He already seemed to be contemptuous of him based on what I saw in this month's Hulk. He lies to his wife -- why not to Amadeus?

[MV21702]

In reality warp drive would be necessary or such a trip might take years, but the rules and technology for space travel have always been whacked out in the MU, it's the 21st century and SHIELD has nanotechnology, warp drives, advanced AI, and hover car fleets... yet civilians have nothing even close.

I don't believe it was ever estabilished how long Hulk's trip took, we only know he's been gone over a year. Since water and oxygen isn't a factor for the Hulk he could have been travelling for 6 months or more.

The stone ship is probably making a much faster return trip.

[Brad Barton]

Okay, Miek was a homeless bug for his entire life up till the moment Hulk arrived. I think we need to get past the theory that he has the Intelligence to rig a Warp-Drive to explode.

If it was done unintentionally while he and Brood were fooling around in the shuttle, that's one thing. But if it was done intentionally, well, Miek must have taken courses on Astro-Physics in between Arena battles or something, otherwise it is literally impossible.

Now watch them retcon Miek into having been a Bug Super-scientist since the beginning...

[Hrungr]

With Greg Pak taking the spotlight off the Warbound as suspects in a couple of interviews now, I've stopped entertaining that Miek & the Brood are involved. It's either the Illuminati (or even just one on his own, without the knowledge of the others) or someone close to them who knew about it. Maria Hill or Dum Dum for example.

[jigrig]

Yep, the ship Hulk was sent in has a warp core, after Arch-e telsl the wildebots about Hulk accepting All as equals, one wildebot responds "Ah. A world for monsters ruled by a monster. Now I understand why they are going to kill him. Arch-e responds "WHAT?
Wildebot responds, " look at your own feed... the machine the humans sent him in...
...it speaks.
BEEP BEEP BEEP, translation, "WARNING: WARP CORE COMPROMISED

WHAAAKOOOM!

By the way, Hulk ruled for 3 days, most of Us thought it was 1, not that it makes a difference.

[jackolover]

Yep, the ship Hulk was sent in has a warp core, after Arch-e telsl the wildebots about Hulk accepting All as equals, one wildebot responds "Ah. A world for monsters ruled by a monster. Now I understand why they are going to kill him. Arch-e responds "WHAT?
Wildebot responds, " look at your own feed... the machine the humans sent him in...
...it speaks.
BEEP BEEP BEEP, translation, "WARNING: WARP CORE COMPROMISED

WHAAAKOOOM!

By the way, Hulk ruled for 3 days, most of Us thought it was 1, not that it makes a difference.

That doesn't neccesarily mean it's the Illuminati trying to kill Hulk. Illuminati honestly wanted to send Hulk somewere, where he would be happy. If they wanted to kill him, they could have exploded the shuttle before he got to Planet Hulk. No. It must be someone else that wanted to kill Hulk. Someone on the planet. Maybe the Red Kings underground or something.

[dabig2]

I noted this a while ago. In fact, I spent a large amount of time going through the Planet Hulk:Gladiator handbook looking for any references that these guys could've had a spare warp drive on sakaar just for this purpose. Also why I had always thought a 90% chance Miek and co. did it, but it's more fun to pin it on SHIELD! Last thing the poor Green fellow needs is another betrayal (precisely why it will come true *sigh*)

[Magneto Rocks]

Let's look at it rationally.

Does it make sense for Reed to lie in this scene? No, he has no reason to at all.

Does it make sense for any of the Illuminati to have put one on without telling Reed? No, if they trusted each other that far.

Does it make sense for SHIELD to have put one on without telling Reed? Not really, no motive.

Is it likely that SHIELD would put one on and Reed wouldn't find out? Not at all.

CONCLUSION: Provided Reed was telling the truth, the Illuminati and SHIELD are both very unlikely suspects in lieu of this new evidence and there is no reason to believe he was not.

Is it possible for one of the Warbound to have done it? Possible- yes.

Is it likely- Impossible to say, we don't know them well enough.

Do they have motive- again, we don't know them well enough.

Has Greg Pak confirmed or denied either? No. He's implied vaguely that it wasn't the warbound but if it were me and it WERE them, I'd do just that to throw off suspicion so more people would be surprised- ESPECIALLY when his "denial" was both so very very vague and easy to say "Ah but you see..." to without lying.

[madrox1977]

Let's look at it rationally.

Does it make sense for Reed to lie in this scene? No, he has no reason to at all.

Although Reed has frequently been less than honest lately

Does it make sense for any of the Illuminati to have put one on without telling Reed? No, if they trusted each other that far.

Would BB really trust anyone post HOM/Son of M? (did the mission to space take place After SOM)

Does it make sense for SHIELD to have put one on without telling Reed? Not really, no motive.

Agreed, but they have become rotten to the core of late so who knows??

Is it likely that SHIELD would put one on and Reed wouldn't find out? Not at all.

Very likely as he didnt even realise that Hulk wasnt on the planet he was supposed to be on, so its not unrealistic that Reed wouldnt have known beside dont recall them all being at the launch site??

[ivesaidway2much]

We still don't know that there was a warp core on the ship. All we know is that a message played giving the Hulk ample time to get away from the shuttle explosion without being harmed.

It's unlikely that the explosion was caused by a Death's Head bomb given how relatively little damage the earlier one did. And if the Red King did have a bomb with as much explosive power as the one on the ship, I can't think of any reason why he would a)leave it on the shuttle as opposed trying to kill the Hulk with it to save his own life or b)give the Hulk a warning message.

If there was a sabotaged warp core on the ship: If the Illuminati were responsible, none of them have any reason to be honest about it, since apparently the trip to the Tayo star system (where Sakaar is) doesn't require a warp drive. If the Warbound are responsible, several of them can be reasonably crossed off the suspect list due to lack of means and knowledge needed to mess with a warp core. Miek (orphanned as a child and then enslaved), the Brood (Brood travel in living ships also a slave), Caiera (enslaved while still young after her connection to the Oldstrong was discovered).

Of the remaining Warbound, it's conceivable any of them could have had access to a warp core and/or the necessary knowledge to sabotage one. Korg's people had a spaceship, and they had to get to Sakaar somehow. The shadow people had the stone ship (I think), even though I think the elder shadow people would notice if their ship was missing a warp core, Hiroim is still a possibility. Arch-E claims has done extensive travelling in space. And while Elloe never struck me as particularly smart or intelligent (quite the opposite), since we don't know her backstory I guess it's possible she could be a brilliant scientist. Still none of them have a motive (especially since they would have to know just how destructive a warp core could be), but they can't be completely ruled out.

I don't really see how this changes anything.:confused:

[ivesaidway2much]

**Double Post**

[PatchMadripoor]

Would the Wildbots from Sakaar be capable of installing a warp engine into the machine? And what of the host "No-Name the Brood" is currently in? They don't pop out of eggs, they used to be someone else before becoming Brood. Maybe she was convinced by Meik to install a faulty drive, not realizing how big a bang it would have interacting with the shuttle tech.

[ivesaidway2much]

Would the Wildbots from Sakaar be capable of installing a warp engine into the machine? And what of the host "No-Name the Brood" is currently in? They don't pop out of eggs, they used to be someone else before becoming Brood. Maybe she was convinced by Meik to install a faulty drive, not realizing how big a bang it would have interacting with the shuttle tech.Oooh, the host of the Brood. That's a good one. Definitely a theory I hadn't considered. It's certainly possible, but it still doesn't explain where she found a spare warp core. Unless Reed was lying to Cho for some other reason.

[Xanrn]

I thought one of the major plot points was that Sakaar is the beach where all the interstellar flotsam ends up.

That's why they use swords and spears, aswell as armoured battlesuits, Death's Head cyborgs etc.

I bet Maria Hill at the behest of whoever controls corrupt core of SHIELD did it or she told some other corrupt SHIELD to do it.

[Magneto Rocks]

Although Reed has frequently been less than honest lately

Only with motivation to be so, and we haven't seen him lie bigtime since he said "no More Lies" in CW7. (Not quite 'No More Mutants' but...)

Would BB really trust anyone post HOM/Son of M? (did the mission to space take place After SOM)

What possible motive would Bolt have to drop a bomb on the ship?

Agreed, but they have become rotten to the core of late so who knows??

True but again I see no motive.

Very likely as he didnt even realise that Hulk wasnt on the planet he was supposed to be on, so its not unrealistic that Reed wouldnt have known beside dont recall them all being at the launch site??

I'd say Reed was monitoring the shuttle for a bit and I definitely think he'd notice someone plcing a GIANT WARP DRIVE in the ship, no?

[CMBMOOL]

I bet Maria Hill at the behest of whoever controls corrupt core of SHIELD did it or she told some other corrupt SHIELD to do it.

I got the feeling is that whoever is corrupting SHIELD, may have wanted the Hulk off planet at the time, because of the power of the Hulk could be his/her downfall. :(

[Xanrn]

There is another way of looking at it.

They hijacked the Illuminati's exile of the Hulk and put in a package as incentive for the Hulk to return.

You can't brainwash the Hulk, you can however manipulate the events so he becomes angry and pointed in roughly the direction you want. Then you just pull the string and watch stuff unwind.

[CMBMOOL]

There is another way of looking at it.

They hijacked the Illuminati's exile of the Hulk and put in a package as incentive for the Hulk to return.

You can't brainwash the Hulk, you can however manipulate the events so he becomes angry and pointed in roughly the direction you want. Then you just pull the string and watch stuff unwind.

Also could be use to support my theory:


Whoever behind the corruption of SHIELD would want the Heroes distracted from his/her planning, so is what better way to distract a hero than a Hulk rampage. :o

[PatchMadripoor]

Also could be use to support my theory:


Whoever behind the corruption of SHIELD would want the Heroes distracted from his/her planning, so is what better way to distract a hero than a Hulk rampage. :o

Nothing more distracting on the Earth than Hulk Smash (10.0 on the Rictor scale.) How does the saying go? out of chaos comes opportunities?

[ShaggyB]

I'm probably more in the "Reed Richards lied" camp. After all, we had Ms. Marvel telling Spider-Woman that Cap was alive and in prison and not really dead. I had assumed that comment was her passing on a lie but is it really past Richards to lie to Amadeus Cho? He already seemed to be contemptuous of him based on what I saw in this month's Hulk. He lies to his wife -- why not to Amadeus?

side note Ms. Marvel lied to set a trap for the secret avengers. its revealed in the current new avengers book. i want to say issue #28. last few pages. only issue with this one iss wolvie has already been to see dead caps body on the helipad. why did they go back.

ok back to hulk smash puny humans and lien bugs.