JLA/JSA X-Over Part IV: Justice Society #6 *SPOILERS*

[CMBMOOL]

Here's a preview of Justice Society of America #6, continuing the 5 part lighting saga crossover with the Justice league of America. :D


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May07/previews/JSA_6.html

[skally19]

they're reviving Kal L. *COUNT IT* *SWIISH*

[Mon-el]

THANK YOU so much, CMBMOOL.

"The Legion of Three Worlds"

"No Batman"

"We were LEGION."

I love it.

I just read part III yesterday.

[Christopher Cross Is God]

they're reviving Kal L. *COUNT IT* *SWIISH*

Where do you get a revival of Kal L from seeing that preview?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

The plot for this crossover has been great, but the writing has annoyed me.

When I mean the writing, I mean I wish I was able to skip Metzler's parts of the story arc and only read Johns'.

[Hawkman]

I've liked Meltzer's writing for the most part. I really enjoyed the last issue, anyway. Granted, though, he's pretty plodding in his pacing, and I won't be too upset when he's gone because of this.

Anywho, I guess we can now officially write off Lightning Lad as the one they're back for. I doubt anyone's surprised, however, as it was far too obvious to be him.

And also, glad to see Eaglesham's back. His Dream Girl and Thom look especially great there on that last page. People rave about Benes on JLA, but I personally prefer Dale's work in JSA.

[spidervenom]

legion of 3 worlds. Now this is getting even more interesting I hope they talk more about it.

[Ring Slinger]

When I mean the writing, I mean I wish I was able to skip Metzler's parts of the story arc and only read Johns'.

Funny, I feel the exact vice versa. I'll miss Metzler after issue 12.

[Taskmaster]

legion of 3 worlds. Now this is getting even more interesting I hope they talk more about it.

Yeah, i'm really hoping this means we'll get to see the Post-Zero Hour legion again

[Will.S]

I'm liking both the Brad Meltzer and the Geoff Johns books although Geoff does the Superman reminiscing about the Legion sequences much better. I'm digging the nod the past Legion revival with the rods too, that's a neat continuity touch I never knew about until Mon-el (the poster) posted those scans.

The only thing that bugs me about the JSA issues of this crossover is that the solo character shots by Alex Ross aren't tied to the story and there isn't even an indication on the cover that they're part of the Lightning Saga like the JLA issues have.

[SuperSince92]

Just wow.

When news first broke about the JLA/JSA crossover, I was a bit disappointed because I thought it would be best to let each writer flesh out the identities and personality of the new teams in their own books first. I really enjoy the work of both Johns and Meltzer so I wanted great stories from these guys as individuals while they are still on board. WITH THAT SAID, all of my fears have been squashed by this arc.

Not only have both writers STILL been able to further flesh out the identities of each team, they have also introduced me to a wholly new one in the Legion of Super-Heroes which I have never read or followed prior to this. On top of that, the artists continue to deliver the goods. Dale & Ed have been amazing and are GEMS in the DC roster. I hope they don't leave these books anytime soon, but once they do DC absolutely MUST put them on Action Comics and Batman. (Since Benes recently did have a Superman run, give him a shot at Batman, Dale on Action Comics with Geoff Johns? They two already have a working relationship. It would be MAGIC!)

Could a Legion of Super-Heroes revamp be in the works post-Lightning Saga? This arc characterizes them as an upper-echelon team and DC could (note: SHOULD) use the boost from this story to build on sales to that title. I'd love to see them put a big name writer on there post-this arc to continue writing following up in the spirit of this arc (Mark Waid?).

All in all, GREAT STUFF! I can't wait for next Thursday.

[jv2k]

Its funny how even in a crossover JSA is better than JLA.

[Zero Hunter]

Could a Legion of Super-Heroes revamp be in the works post-Lightning Saga? This arc characterizes them as an upper-echelon team and DC could (note: SHOULD) use the boost from this story to build on sales to that title. I'd love to see them put a big name writer on there post-this arc to continue writing following up in the spirit of this arc (Mark Waid?).



Mark Waid has been the writer on the current Legion of Super Hero series for the last 30 issues. It has not been one of his his better efforts. He reimagened the whole theme of the Legion, and it has not been well recieved by alot of the Legion fans. Myself included.

With that said I do think there is a major change for the Legion of Super Heroes coming. I think with the 50th aniversery of the Legion coming up in less than a year they must have something big planned. I hope it has to do with the Legion of 3 Earths story that Superman mentions in this issue. I would love to see all 3 Legions meet up in a big mini series and then afterwards a Legion very much like the classic Legion getting a regular title again.

[Billage]

I've liked Meltzer's writing for the most part. I really enjoyed the last issue, anyway. Granted, though, he's pretty plodding in his pacing, and I won't be too upset when he's gone because of this.

Anywho, I guess we can now officially write off Lightning Lad as the one they're back for. I doubt anyone's surprised, however, as it was far too obvious to be him.

And also, glad to see Eaglesham's back. His Dream Girl and Thom look especially great there on that last page. People rave about Benes on JLA, but I personally prefer Dale's work in JSA.

I find nothing distinctive about Benes' art.I as well prefer Dale's more realistic style,his characters look people with costumes on,not people with costumes painted on.Plus,Benes' art is just so over rendered and inked way to heavily.

[Lex]

Mark Waid has been the writer on the current Legion of Super Hero series for the last 30 issues. It has not been one of his his better efforts. He reimagened the whole theme of the Legion, and it has not been well recieved by alot of the Legion fans. Myself included.
Not all Legion fans would agree with that. There are a lot of Legion fans that like the current book, such as myself, and hope it continues.

[Crisis]

i havent been this excited about the legion since the baxter books!!!!!!!


legion of 3 worlds let's see


1)the legion from adventures 247 - lsh 63 (i know its not g onna go that far since they're much earlier along the orginal time line so i would say from adventures to b4 the great darkness saga would would be lsh 287)

2) the post zero hour legion aka the archie legion who i did like but never loved.


and 3) the current waid legion.

[Samurai]

I loved the Roll Calls, very nice classic touch!

And did you catch what the Legion said while flying? They didn't tell Lightning Lad, Saturn Girl, or Cosmic Boy about their plan... So the one they are trying to revive must not be Lightning Lad. That leaves 2 possibilities:

1) They are trying to revive Lightning Lass (or some other electrical-based character.)

2) The Lightning Rods aren't specifically for reviving electrically-powered characters, and it's someone else they want to bring back.

I had always thought (for some reason) this method of bringing someone back to life required the target to have lightning powers, but maybe I was wrong, or maybe they are changing that.

[titanfan]

Someone on the DC boards posted that they're trying to bring back Barry Allen/Flash. He uses the lightning motif and has ties to the future.

[Samurai]

Someone on the DC boards posted that they're trying to bring back Barry Allen/Flash. He uses the lightning motif and has ties to the future.

Wow, that's certainly a possibility I hadn't thought about, and it'd be very cool... He doesn't just use a lightning motif, his powers came from a bolt of lLightning. But will it be Wally or Barry?

[davros42]

they're reviving Kal L. *COUNT IT* *SWIISH*

Because they're the Earth-2 Legion. Which is why Supes hadn't seen them between Crisis and now.

[Killer Frost]

I had always thought (for some reason) this method of bringing someone back to life required the target to have lightning powers, but maybe I was wrong, or maybe they are changing that.

The lightning rods were 30th century Daxamite technology that supposedly worked on any humanoid. It even worked on androids!

Mon-El was revived by his cousin Eltro Gand a few years later using the same rods. Eltro died, of course.

[Paul Newell]

Because they're the Earth-2 Legion. Which is why Supes hadn't seen them between Crisis and now.
They're the Earth-1 Legion. There is no Earth-2 Legion, because Kal-L wasn't Superboy.

You know what my guess is?

We're seeing a preview of the Legion from AFTER "Final Crisis". Just as they started the Threeboot Legion before Infinite Crisis started. (It was only revealed after IC finished that they were the "New Earth" Legion).

[Paul Newell]

1)the legion from adventures 247 - lsh 63 (i know its not g onna go that far since they're much earlier along the orginal time line so i would say from adventures to b4 the great darkness saga would would be lsh 287)
Actually, this Legion appears to be from around LSH v3 #20 or so....)Only difference is, it appears the founders never left and saved Karate Kid from death.

[Sir Tim Drake]

"That is not only ridiculous, Superman. It is insane."
"Our devotion to each other was unexplainable."
"You were kids."
"No, Batman. We were Legion."

YES!!! GEOFF JOHNS GETS IT!!

On the basis of that exchange alone, I want him to be the next permanent Legion writer, after Tony Bedard is done.

[Will.S]

They're the Earth-1 Legion. There is no Earth-2 Legion, because Kal-L wasn't Superboy.

You know what my guess is?

We're seeing a preview of the Legion from AFTER "Final Crisis". Just as they started the Threeboot Legion before Infinite Crisis started. (It was only revealed after IC finished that they were the "New Earth" Legion).
Ugh, my head hurts already at the concept.

[jadehorde]

YES!!! GEOFF JOHNS GETS IT!!

On the basis of that exchange alone, I want him to be the next permanent Legion writer, after Tony Bedard is done.

Yeah, Johns is the guy to get for making continuity rich team books interesting and fresh while keeping it true.

I liked the JSA leads to JLA leads to Legion he had a couple years back in JSA during the Mordru/Obsidian/Eclipso arc.

[Ring Slinger]

Didn't see this thread started, and I know a lot of things were discussed when we got the sneak peek, but I'm curious to reactions about the overall issue. Basically:

1. The last lost Legionairre is found
2. We still don't know who the Legionairre's are trying to save
3. Line of the year: SUPERMAN: No. We were Legion.

I was a little disappointed because it felt like so little really happened in this issue even character-wise. If I was a betting man, I'd say Starman Thom is going to die (if one of them does in fact need to die)-- just enough space devoted to explaining how bad things were for him in the transition through time and the multiverse, how "the boy just ain't right" anymore.

Thoughts?

[cyclops2500]

I think something happens to Superman. Don't know what, but it must be bad if one of them is gonna die to prevent it.





3. Line of the year: SUPERMAN: No. We were Legion.



Thoughts?

That whole panel was amazing.

[hyperion83]

So far I have really enjoyed this JLA/JSA-crossover, but I have to agree that not much happened in this issue. Some great scenes (Superman's line), but just about it. I wonder how they are going to end it since there's only one part left of the story? Cause right now I feel we are only halfway through.

Has for which legionaire is going to die, I don't think Starman is the one, since it looks he's going to be in the next JSA-issue. I'm guessing Dream Girl is the one to die.

[hyperion83]

So far I have really enjoyed this JLA/JSA-crossover, but I have to agree that not much happened in this issue. Some great scenes (Superman's line), but just about it. I wonder how they are going to end it since there's only one part left of the story? Cause right now I feel we are only halfway through.

Has for which legionaire is going to die, I don't think Starman is the one, since it looks he's going to be in the next JSA-issue. I'm guessing Dream Girl is the one to die.

[Jack]

Dream Girl would seem to be the best bet, given that Starman is going to remain... uhh, on this world? In this time? Is going to remain in JSA, at the least.

[Hawkman]

Typically, I much prefer Johns' work to Meltzer's, but in my opinion, both of the JSA issues in this arc are the weakest parts, particularly this one. I just don't think Geoff's style meshes well with Brad's, and I believe that's what's hurting him here.

It isn't helping either that the overall plotting has simply gotten stale at this point. When you think about it, outside of a few neat teases, nothing of much relevance has really happened in this arc thus far aside from turning up a new Legion member each issue. And in JSA #6, Sensor Girl's appearance is essentially the only thing that happened. It was pretty boring as a result, but luckily, Eaglesham's awesome art and the Hall of Doom reveal went a long way in keeping my enjoyment level up.

All the same, though, I'm glad that Justice Society is now free to head off in its own direction and focus on the development of its cast of characters. I've liked "The Lightning Saga" well enough, but I've also somewhat resented it in that it's delayed the progress of JSA. Oddly enough, however, I don't feel that way at all about JLA, so I'm still extremely anxious to read the finale in that title later this month.

[Jack Zodiac]

Aw, nuts. So this is all getting wrapped up in Justice League? And here I was perfectly content following the story in just the Justice Society. Ah, well.

[Nintendite]

The Legion of Three Worlds?

If that means what I think it means, we may finally be seeing "Crisis on Infinite (well, okay, 3) Legions!".

Awesome.

[Ring Slinger]

Typically, I much prefer Johns' work to Meltzer's, but in my opinion, both of the JSA issues in this arc are the weakest parts, particularly this one. I just don't think Geoff's style meshes well with Brad's, and I believe that's what's hurting him here.

It isn't helping either that the overall plotting has simply gotten stale at this point. When you think about it, outside of a few neat teases, nothing of much relevance has really happened in this arc thus far aside from turning up a new Legion member each issue. And in JSA #6, Sensor Girl's appearance is essentially the only thing that happened. It was pretty boring as a result, but luckily, Eaglesham's awesome art and the Hall of Doom reveal went a long way in keeping my enjoyment level up.

All the same, though, I'm glad that Justice Society is now free to head off in its own direction and focus on the development of its cast of characters. I've liked "The Lightning Saga" well enough, but I've also somewhat resented it in that it's delayed the progress of JSA. Oddly enough, however, I don't feel that way at all about JLA, so I'm still extremely anxious to read the finale in that title later this month.

Ditto. Except I prefer Meltzer to Johns. Everything else goes with what you said.

[Will.S]

I'm still loving the crossover, although really this is a Legion of Superheroes driven story with the JLA/JSA being the guest stars. I'm curious as to who they plan on reviving since apparently the "big 3" are already accounted for and not having a huge amount of knowledge of the Legion outside of the great cartoon enhances the mystery even more.

Now usually I wouldn't be into a JSA book but this whole arc really pulled me in. On top of that the Around Comics podcast had a great extensive "history of the JSA" episode which really helped me out with some of the characters I wouldn't have known about otherwise. I have a question about Hourman though, is this Rick Tyler with the robot Hourman's gear now? Are his powers still having a particular power that last for about an hour?

If anyone can help me out there, thanks. Anyway, if there were a Legion book started with this cast of Legionares I'll definitely buy it. What I also loved was the Kingdom Come earth being used and referenced fully after 52 which makes Kingdom Come a cooler story to have around even if only tangentially involved with the main DCU stuff.

Both the JLA and the JSA came off well even amongst the Legion trickery so they're still important parts of their story. Dale Eaglesham's art is simple yet sleek, I dug the attempt at making the old school coloring apparent in the Superman flashback as well.

[the4thpip]

Dale Eaglesham's art is simple yet sleek, I dug the attempt at making the old school coloring apparent in the Superman flashback as well.

Simple? I think Dale provides some of the most detailed panels of any DC book currently. Check out those swamp scenes, from the amount of lovingly rendered wildlife to little touches like the mud on everybody's boots. Look at how every tentacle attacking the heroes has pattern and structure to it where other artists would have just left them plain. Look at how Mr. Terrific's costume wrinkles differently because it's leather and not spandex.

And all that in an issue that required Dale to draw a good two dozen heroes from 3 groups, and him never having drawn the 70s Legion before must have meant a lot of research.

So what exactly is "simple" about the style? That he doesn't use a lot of cross-hatching?

[Mulett]

My suggestion is that this Legion is going to be ret-conned to Earth-2, and that their 'Superboy' will now be the Superman of Earth-2 - and that's who they have come to save/resurrect.

It means that they can exist again in modern continuity - as it would be a bit cruel to bring them back and then do away with them again. If not cruel to the characters than certainly cruel to us.

It does make sense of Kal-El's dying words in Infinite Crisis - "It's not going to end. It's never going to end for us . . . one day you'll see . . they're still out there . . .".

That's my guess anyhow.

[ultramandingo]

....so the legion of dooms hq has allways been in slaughter swamp? or is that some kinda super boy prime punch thing

[Jack Zodiac]

It does make sense of Kal-El's dying words in Infinite Crisis - "It's not going to end. It's never going to end for us . . . one day you'll see . . they're still out there . . .".

I guess that was from the hardcover, because my copy of Infinite Crisis #7 has his last words being "It's never going to end for us," with him dying saying "Lois."

[Paul Newell]

....so the legion of dooms hq has allways been in slaughter swamp? or is that some kinda super boy prime punch thing
It was an illusion created by Sensor Girl.

[Dr.Z]

Simple? I think Dale provides some of the most detailed panels of any DC book currently. Check out those swamp scenes, from the amount of lovingly rendered wildlife to little touches like the mud on everybody's boots. Look at how every tentacle attacking the heroes has pattern and structure to it where other artists would have just left them plain. Look at how Mr. Terrific's costume wrinkles differently because it's leather and not spandex.

And all that in an issue that required Dale to draw a good two dozen heroes from 3 groups, and him never having drawn the 70s Legion before must have meant a lot of research.

So what exactly is "simple" about the style? That he doesn't use a lot of cross-hatching?

Dude,he was complmenting his art, not bashing it. Some times "simple" means "good". Relax

[Will.S]

Dude,he was complmenting his art, not bashing it. Some times "simple" means "good". Relax
Yes exactly, thanks.

What I was talking about was Dale Eaglesham has a "classic" style where it's not that overly stylized but simple and elegant enough to notice that he doesn't go all crazy with unnecessary detail. An artist like Ed Benes kind of has alot of stuff going in with the hatching and seems more Jim Lee'ish than anything so while it's still distinct it's also looks more Image era than Dale's old school DC style.

Both Dale and Ivan Reiss share that artistic ability to render solid superhero comics even though they're not really flashy at all.

[the4thpip]

Dude,he was complmenting his art, not bashing it. Some times "simple" means "good". Relax

I just don't think he did it in a very fitting way. The stand-out thing about Dale's art is its complexity and detailedness.

It's a bit like saying: I love Alex Ross, he draws such dynamic action scenes. Or: Man, I love that gossamer Kirby style.

[UniqueFrequency]

just curious, who's the illusion creating girl? is it the snake-looking character? Sensor? or something?

[Matthew E]

just curious, who's the illusion creating girl? is it the snake-looking character? Sensor? or something?

Yes and no.

In original Legion history, one of the Legionnaires was Princess Projectra, who could create illusions. She eventually married Karate Kid and, after he died, changed her name to Sensor Girl and learned to use her illusion powers in much more effective and wide-ranging ways. In the version of the Legion we're seeing in JLA/JSA, it seems like maybe Projectra was Sensor Girl from the start.

In the rebooted Legion, the one that lasted from about '93 to '03, one of the characters was Sensor, a snake princess who could create illusions. She was the reboot's version of Projectra.

So you're thinking of the right person, but this version of the character isn't a snake.

[the4thpip]

Yes and no.

In original Legion history, one of the Legionnaires was Princess Projectra, who could create illusions. She eventually married Karate Kid and, after he died, changed her name to Sensor Girl and learned to use her illusion powers in much more effective and wide-ranging ways. In the version of the Legion we're seeing in JLA/JSA, it seems like maybe Projectra was Sensor Girl from the start.



Or maybe this Karate Kid is an illusion she created. Granted, that is a bit of a stretch with him being a prisoner in Countdown with her being hundreds of miles away, but still. I really want this to be "my Legion." :o

[the4thpip]

Or Proty! He could be Proty!

[Matthew E]

Or maybe this Karate Kid is an illusion she created. Granted, that is a bit of a stretch with him being a prisoner in Countdown with her being hundreds of miles away, but still. I really want this to be "my Legion." :o

The important thing is that it feels like your Legion. If you're already attached to them after only the few brief appearances they've had, then they're probably 'your Legion' in the important ways. I didn't really think like that when I wrote this (http://legionabstract.blogspot.com/2007/06/continuity-notes-lightning-saga.html), but by the end of the comments after the post I had started to come around a little bit.

[CBikle]

....so the legion of dooms hq has allways been in slaughter swamp? or is that some kinda super boy prime punch thing

Not positive, but I believe that waay back in the early 80's, the Super Friends cartoon placed it in Slaughter Swamp.

I think Hanna -Barbera owns the rights to the name "Legion Of Doom", which might explain why they've never been seen as a group in DC continuity (I don't recall if Alex Ross' Justice is using them as the Legion Of Doom)

In any case, it kinda makes sense because Solomon Grundy was a member of the LOD.

[Paul Newell]

In the version of the Legion we're seeing in JLA/JSA, it seems like maybe Projectra was Sensor Girl from the start.
Ooh, I missed that. What hints lead you to that conclusion?

[Matthew E]

Ooh, I missed that. What hints lead you to that conclusion?

Not a conclusion so much as a suspicion, but:

1. Sensor Girl is formidable where Projectra was useless. So let's just leave out the part where she was useless.
2. Karate Kid's still alive, so what prompted Projectra to become Sensor Girl? Maybe she was that way all along, then.
3. Superman has a statue of Sensor Girl, and knows her by that name. In original Legion history, if he saw her as Sensor Girl it was only for about fifteen minutes. So, in this history, maybe she was Sensor Girl for longer.

[Will.S]

I just don't think he did it in a very fitting way. The stand-out thing about Dale's art is its complexity and detailedness.

It's a bit like saying: I love Alex Ross, he draws such dynamic action scenes. Or: Man, I love that gossamer Kirby style.
Look, I'm not saying it's a Saturday morning cartoon here.

I've certainly noticed the details you're referring in the backrounds and yeah the guy has an impressive eye for detail in that regard. It's just that when you've seen stuff from Simone Bianchi, Leinil Yu, George Perez, Steve Epting and other artists who's styles also integrate an amazing amount of detail, Dale's art in comparison comes off as more solid and well crafted but not mind blowing or stylistically busy to me.

Dale's current stuff is probably the best I've ever seen it coming a long way from his Detective/Batman days.

[davros42]

Or Proty! He could be Proty!

Well if they're following the orginal story, one of them has to be Proty, right?

[DjMichael691]

I have to read this arc with my hands in the air, this story is going straight over my head.

[titanfan]

I have to read this arc with my hands in the air, this story is going straight over my head.

Pick up the Legion Showcase archive that just came out a few weeks ago. It has the original Lightning Rod Story along with a lot of other classic Legion stories. Some of them were old school silly ("We can't take Saturn Girl, this mission is too dangerous for a girl!"), but it provided a decent sense of history.
I never read that version of the Legion, but I can see why it was popular back then.

They really emphasized Superman's relationship with the Legion, I wonder if that will be important down the road.

[Shellhead]

I remember the first four issues of this new Justice Society series fondly, when my only complaint was that the intensity of the violence was a little excessive. But at least we were getting a good story where stuff actually happened. This decompressed crossover just doesn't feel like what we normally get from Geoff Johns, so I'm blaming Meltzar and/or Didio for this mess. The visual of the ruined Legion of Doom HQ in the swamp was neat, but it was wasted on an empty plot and a boring illusion. Hopefully this series will get back on track next issue, when Meltzar isn't involved anymore.

[Harding Prime]

I'm a little confused since after the IC and 52, where the Multiverse stands. In Countdown they speak of how the JLA would meet the JSA in Earth-2 and vice versa in Earth-1. But when Clark is thinking back when he was a kid and had the Legion, in this issue, he mentioned how he didn't hear about the JSA much when he was younger...as if they were on the same earth. I know after first Crisis, the multiverse was destroyed...I guess I'm just confused as to what the heroes of today are suppose to remember...

[Harding Prime]

I'm a little confused since after the IC and 52, where the Multiverse stands. In Countdown they speak of how the JLA would meet the JSA in Earth-2 and vice versa in Earth-1. But when Clark is thinking back when he was a kid and had the Legion, in this issue, he mentioned how he didn't hear about the JSA much when he was younger...as if they were on the same earth. I know after first Crisis, the multiverse was destroyed...I guess I'm just confused as to what the heroes of today are suppose to remember...

[Hawkman]

My hard-and-fast rule: If there's an interesting angle a writer can pluck out of a pre-Crisis event, issue, or storyline, then the characters will remember it. And if a particular plot-point doesn't lend itself well to the story that's being conveyed, they won't remember it. But like Superman's own New Earth origin, there doesn't seem to be, to me anyway, any set of guidelines put in place in regards to what is and is not in continuity. I'm definitely no expert on the matter, though. Perhaps someone else can explain it to the both of us.:D

[Harding Prime]

We can hope, because the ironic part is that the issue is suppose to be a tie in style issue to coutdown 48, where they explain the JSA/JLA team ups on different worlds. Go figure.

[Paul Newell]

I'm a little confused since after the IC and 52, where the Multiverse stands. In Countdown they speak of how the JLA would meet the JSA in Earth-2 and vice versa in Earth-1. But when Clark is thinking back when he was a kid and had the Legion, in this issue, he mentioned how he didn't hear about the JSA much when he was younger...as if they were on the same earth. I know after first Crisis, the multiverse was destroyed...I guess I'm just confused as to what the heroes of today are suppose to remember...
The JSA hadn't been around for 30 to 40 years when he was a boy, so why would he hear a lot about them?

[Harding Prime]

The JSA hadn't been around for 30 to 40 years when he was a boy, so why would he hear a lot about them?

I'm just going by what Clark said. And that statement is not very helpful as to i'm just trying to figure out how this all fits into continuity when they come out in the same week.

[Paul Newell]

I'm just going by what Clark said. And that statement is not very helpful as to i'm just trying to figure out how this all fits into continuity when they come out in the same week.
Well I don't think Clark's remark has much to do about it. "New" Earth history establishes that the JSA have always been on this Earth anyway. So far it's a melding of Post-Crisis history with some Pre-Crisis aspects brought back.

The Monitor's are remembering a history that no longer exists. Just like how Harbinger and the Linear Men remembered previous versions of history. The Donna Troy back ups in 52 established that Pre-Crisis history was wiped out, but the orb still had a record of the earlier histories. Donna didn't remember herself and viewed the characters as being someone different to who she knew.

Don't forget that this is a different multiverse that shares aspects with the old, but isn't the original.

[Harding Prime]

And that was the answer I was looking for. Thanks

[DjMichael691]

Pick up the Legion Showcase archive that just came out a few weeks ago. It has the original Lightning Rod Story along with a lot of other classic Legion stories. Some of them were old school silly ("We can't take Saturn Girl, this mission is too dangerous for a girl!"), but it provided a decent sense of history.
I never read that version of the Legion, but I can see why it was popular back then.

They really emphasized Superman's relationship with the Legion, I wonder if that will be important down the road.

Will do, Thanks.

[davros42]

They're the Earth-1 Legion. There is no Earth-2 Legion, because Kal-L wasn't Superboy.

The New Earth Superman when he was a boy (he wasn't Superboy either, not really) went to their Earth instead of them going into a pocket dimension a la the post-Crisis LSH.

I like your theory though too (I admit mine's half baked :D). Very interesting.

[Crisis]

But when Clark is thinking back when he was a kid and had the Legion, in this issue, he mentioned how he didn't hear about the JSA much when he was younger...as if they were on the same earth.


He knows about the JSA but they were still in REtirement from that 50s communist accusation. And they didnt come out till Barry and Jay met and eventually the JSA met the JLA in that classic story that's sorta reconnted into happening on the same Earth.

[Harding Prime]

Is there a Superboy in continuity anymore besides Prime?

[glennsim]

I'm a little confused since after the IC and 52, where the Multiverse stands. In Countdown they speak of how the JLA would meet the JSA in Earth-2 and vice versa in Earth-1. But when Clark is thinking back when he was a kid and had the Legion, in this issue, he mentioned how he didn't hear about the JSA much when he was younger...as if they were on the same earth. I know after first Crisis, the multiverse was destroyed...I guess I'm just confused as to what the heroes of today are suppose to remember...

The backups in Countdown are talking about the old Multiverse and things that happened before the first Crisis.*

But Superman is talking about his current history in the New Earth post-IC world, where the JSA existed on the same world, and where he apparently now had contact with the Legion when he was younger.

It's still a mystery what the heroes know about the old Multiverse. The fact that Power Girl is from a destroyed parallel Earth is about the only thing that has been referenced lately. And even that might get changed - she might end up being from the NEW Earth 2 created in 52.

* Although why they aren't using that space to explain how their new universe works instead of rehashing elements of their old universe is beyond me.

[Harding Prime]

* Although why they aren't using that space to explain how their new universe works instead of rehashing elements of their old universe is beyond me.

I think they are just starting from the beginning. They will get to its current state. I think its a good idea to bring it all back to a current understanding.

[CBikle]

YES!!! GEOFF JOHNS GETS IT!!

On the basis of that exchange alone, I want him to be the next permanent Legion writer, after Tony Bedard is done.

Absolutely. Perhaps co-writing with Gail Simone who is a big LSH fan.

[CBikle]

I'm a little confused since after the IC and 52, where the Multiverse stands. In Countdown they speak of how the JLA would meet the JSA in Earth-2 and vice versa in Earth-1. But when Clark is thinking back when he was a kid and had the Legion, in this issue, he mentioned how he didn't hear about the JSA much when he was younger...as if they were on the same earth. I know after first Crisis, the multiverse was destroyed...I guess I'm just confused as to what the heroes of today are suppose to remember...

Like Hawkman, the LSH's history was a little screwy after Crisis On Infinite Earths. The original (Earth 1) Superboy was their anchor to the DCU and losing that anchor left them being in a constant state of retcon. The half-baked relaunches didn't help matters.

I know that the Legion was in a bunch of Superman & Batman issues, but nothing that goes on in that book ever seem to be part of DCU continuity.

[Harding Prime]

Like Hawkman, the LSH's history was a little screwy after Crisis On Infinite Earths. The original (Earth 1) Superboy was their anchor to the DCU and losing that anchor left them being in a constant state of retcon. The half-baked relaunches didn't help matters.

I know that the Legion was in a bunch of Superman & Batman issues, but nothing that goes on in that book ever seem to be part of DCU continuity.

Everything in Superman/Batman is in continuity. Like Luthor losing the presidency, the new Supergirls first appearance. They didn't have a direct IC tie-in, but you know when before and after are. I just feel they haven't had any great arcs since Supergirl.

[CBikle]

Everything in Superman/Batman is in continuity. Like Luthor losing the presidency, the new Supergirls first appearance. They didn't have a direct IC tie-in, but you know when before and after are. I just feel they haven't had any great arcs since Supergirl.

I've never bought the book, but from skimming through a few random issues, there always seemed to be a lot going on (I vaguely recall Superman throwing Darkseid into the sun) that seemed to be ignored in other related titles.

Didn't Superman & Batman meet the LSH in that big time-travel story ?

[Harding Prime]

I've never bought the book, but from skimming through a few random issues, there always seemed to be a lot going on (I vaguely recall Superman throwing Darkseid into the sun) that seemed to be ignored in other related titles.

Didn't Superman & Batman meet the LSH in that big time-travel story ?

I'm not sure about the LSH, but Superman threw Darkseid into the wall of people that Darksied had killed and banished. It was interesting, that was after he thought Darkseid killed Kara, but he didn't and he also escaped. Loeb tells a good story.

[Paul Newell]

I know that the Legion was in a bunch of Superman & Batman issues, but nothing that goes on in that book ever seem to be part of DCU continuity.
The Legion in Superman/Batman were a possible future. Theough they could very well be the same Legion that is appearing in the crossover....Hmmmm....

[Crisis]

Is there a Superboy in continuity anymore besides Prime?

possibly based on what superman was describing and looking in that Spilt page dissuccion on the legion about them bringing Lightning Lad back to life. It appeared he was in the Present and Past in the same uniform but one was superMAN (present) and superBOY in the past-future with the legion.

[Harding Prime]

I remember the first four issues of this new Justice Society series fondly, when my only complaint was that the intensity of the violence was a little excessive. But at least we were getting a good story where stuff actually happened. This decompressed crossover just doesn't feel like what we normally get from Geoff Johns, so I'm blaming Meltzar and/or Didio for this mess. The visual of the ruined Legion of Doom HQ in the swamp was neat, but it was wasted on an empty plot and a boring illusion. Hopefully this series will get back on track next issue, when Meltzar isn't involved anymore.

One reason, they needed to keep the Sales up. No better way. I know they will drop on the next issue.