Upcoming Supergirl Changes.

[Typo Lad]

Wow. DC plans on portraying Supergirl (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315) with an almost realistic bodytype!

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed4.jpg

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed2.jpg

"I also happen to think she needs to eat a sandwich and cover up a bit, but then I'm a father."

I want Tony Bedard's puppies now.

[Adem]

I'll probably give this a try after all the crossovers are done.

[KET]

I'll probably give this a try after all the crossovers are done.


The problem is that Bedard is only signed on for 3 crossover issues.

[KET]

Wow. DC plans on portraying Supergirl (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315) with an almost realistic bodytype!



Sure took them long enough.....now that over half the readership has already fled the title. :(

[Jack Zodiac]

Not bad. She looks like she, y'know, weighs more than eighty pounds. And she looks more natural. I like it.

I wonder, though, if the book would've sold as well as it has if the art had been more natural, and Kara dressed more modestly, from the start.

[Rattlehead]

Not bad. She looks like she, y'know, weighs more than eighty pounds. And she looks more natural. I like it.

I wonder, though, if the book would've sold as well as it has if the art had been more natural, and Kara dressed more modestly, from the start.

I don't think so. I bought the Power tpb, and although the costume did, and still does, bother me immensely, I really hate her personality more than anything else. I feel they dropped the ball with her big time. She can find herself without being all whiny about it. I haven't touched the book since, except to skim through the issue where she fought Batgirl.

[marshal99]

It's dependent on the artist , this Renato Guedes guy's art is pretty decent and clean cut from the looks of it.

I want my Paris Hilton supergirl. ;)

[DonC]

The problem is that Bedard is only signed on for 3 crossover issues.


DC's loss. Tony's one of the few writers I'll give a shot on just about anything.

[KRAKABOOM!]

i think these designs look FANTASTIC!

she looks like a fully realized young woman. not a figure from the BRATZ toy line.

[Murrocko]

She's not sexy anymore.

[Typo Lad]

Really? Not that I'm into teenage girls, but the whole "superskanky" look was an eyesore to me.

[Murrocko]

Well being a teenager myself I enjoyed to an extent. Didn't hinder my reading or the story and what not.

[Typo Lad]

That explains that. I'm 29. Generational thing, I guess.

[Jack Zodiac]

Eh, I doubt it. I don't know about the rest of you, but even if Churchill were drawing a thirty or forty year old woman that way, I'd still find it ridiculous. It's not so much a matter of age, more of anatomy. The way Kara's been drawn before, Kryptonian or not, she looks like she'd break in a strong wind.

[KET]

Not bad. She looks like she, y'know, weighs more than eighty pounds. And she looks more natural. I like it.


Same here; it's about time she looked more like a teen. :)


I wonder, though, if the book would've sold as well as it has if the art had been more natural, and Kara dressed more modestly, from the start.

I think the series could have greatly benefited from this type of visual portrayal at the start, instead of relying on over-inflated figures from Michael Turner variant covers. If nothing else, it would have attracted a LOT of female fans of the character who have been turned off to her ever since the reboot.

Also, if this would have been the look when the series started, I don't think Eddie Berganza's clueless DC Nation missive a few months back would have been ridiculed so massively (and he would have kept his job to boot). Now DC's going to have an UPHILL BATTLE just to get people to notice if there's a change of direction to the current series, or if it's just a momentary cosmetic diversion.

[KET]

DC's loss. Tony's one of the few writers I'll give a shot on just about anything.

Well, we'll see if they let him stick around longer, but considering their already established flightiness with SG, I wouldn't hold my breath at this point. :eek:

[Animation]

My problem with this change will be that the drawings make her look like yet another Supergirl. Her face doesnt even look remotely the same. In fact in a couple of those drawings on page 1, the different pencils of her dont even look like the same face. But anyway not only is her body different (which is fine) but her face is just totally different.

How will they explain that this isnt a new Supergirl? Also, will she be keeping the same awful personality? I think this could be confusing.

Lewis

[Arilou]

I sent my first fan-mail thanks to this redesign. Because it's so awesome.

I even got a response :p

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Great art.
They should have gone with this look from the get go.

[Arilou]

If you like it you should really e-mail the artist at renatoguedes@renatoguedes.net I am sure he would appreciate your support!

[Justin D.]

Same here; it's about time she looked more like a teen.

She looked like a teenage girl before. However, she looked like a skinny 13-year-old girl, not a girl who is 16 to 18 like I thought the character was supposed to be. That's the big difference for me when people take sides on what Supergirl looks. The difference in appearance between a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old is often quite substantial so just saying she looks like a teenager isn't specific enough.

Also, I really like the new designs and those alone would make me want to pick up the book. I agree with Bedard when he says that Renato Guedes has a Tony Harris-style to him. Bedard's writing is solid too, so that's another good reason to try the book out. If enough people pick it up and like it, maybe this could become the new permanent creative team.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

That's pretty damned good art, no question about it. I'd like this direction for Supergirl - if it were a fresh start. I just don't see how Supergirl, as she's been written to this point, can be turned into the kind of character who would look like this art, and behave like this art suggests she'd behave. Say what you like about Supergirl's last-survivor-of-Skankton costume, it matched her personality to a tee. I'm not sure I'd ever come back to Supergirl, even with a new team, unless the opening issue began with: "...and everything between Kandor and now was a bizarre hallucination." I'm all for character continuity, but I just don't see how you can bring Supergirl back from what she's become - no matter what you do, the fact that you're starting with Supergirl means you're screwed. Still, I doubt a huge retcon would be looked upon favourably by the high-ups at DC - it'd be tantamount to admitting they'd had their heads up their posteriors so far as the title was concerned - so I suppose the options are try to fix it, or let it run to ruin. Given that, well, good luck to them. I'd much rather see Supergirl flourish than vanish, even if they have to wade through the mud for months to make it happen.

But back to the art itself... I can't say I'm really in favour of how realistic the fabric looks - the folds and contours, how it sits over her body, rather than hugging it. It looks real, but that's the problem: it looks like regular clothing, which should by all rights get shredded the first time anyone lands a super-punch on her (or, hell, any time she moves faster than sound). The painted-on crop top and ridiculous hip-hugging skirt, typical of silly superhero gear as they were, at least looked a bit out of the ordinary - subconsciously, there was a bit of a basis to believe they were Kryptonian fabrics that could survive all the insane hammering they'd take from Kara's superpowered antics, because they looked different to regular clothes. I'm not saying there's any reason Kryptonian cloth couldn't look just like a normal ol' t-shirt and skirt, but it's an added layer of artificiality - I don't know that I really like it that much.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

She's not sexy anymore.

I have to agree.

She looks more like Alicia Silverstone in a supergirl outfit. She's not super skinny but she does have a "fullness" to her that says "maybe you shouldn't be wearing that"


I personally don't have a problem with the current Supergirl look...she has petite breasts, she wears long sleeves, the only thing that really shows are her legs. I think she's more of a positive look than this one...I mean think of all the "fat jokes"


"how does she fly with that extra weight?"
"good thing she plucks or she'd have a unibrow"
"took a whlile for gravity to kick in"

[Typo Lad]

For me, that's less of an issue with the design than it is with the really, really silly costume.

[Arilou]

I have to agree.

She looks more like Alicia Silverstone in a supergirl outfit. She's not super skinny but she does have a "fullness" to her that says "maybe you shouldn't be wearing that"


I personally don't have a problem with the current Supergirl look...she has petite breasts, she wears long sleeves, the only thing that really shows are her legs. I think she's more of a positive look than this one...I mean think of all the "fat jokes"


"how does she fly with that extra weight?"
"good thing she plucks or she'd have a unibrow"
"took a whlile for gravity to kick in"

You obviously haven't seen a woman in a LONG time if you think this new design is "fat".

The former Supergirl actually looked like she had organs missing. This one looks like a human being. I find her much more credibly as someone who can rip the planet in two should you piss her off.

[Justin D.]

I have to agree.

She looks more like Alicia Silverstone in a supergirl outfit. She's not super skinny but she does have a "fullness" to her that says "maybe you shouldn't be wearing that"


I personally don't have a problem with the current Supergirl look...she has petite breasts, she wears long sleeves, the only thing that really shows are her legs. I think she's more of a positive look than this one...I mean think of all the "fat jokes"


"how does she fly with that extra weight?"
"good thing she plucks or she'd have a unibrow"
"took a whlile for gravity to kick in"

Wow, seriously? You think that Supergirl looks fat? We cannot possibly be looking at the same pictures. She doesn't just look fit to me, but she looks like an attractive, female athlete. If I had to compare her to a celebrity, I'd compare her to Jessica Biel.

Fat jokes? Really, that's just bizarre.

[glennsim]

Wow, seriously? You think that Supergirl looks fat? We cannot possibly be looking at the same pictures. She doesn't just look fit to me, but she looks like an attractive, female athlete. If I had to compare her to a celebrity, I'd compare her to Jessica Biel.

Fat jokes? Really, that's just bizarre.

While I wouldn't use the word "fat", it doesn't look like they are giving her sufficient definition in the abs to justify wearing a belly shirt. Her belly looks very, er, soft, I guess.

In other words, in these images she looks like a reasonably healthy person who shouldn't necessarily be showing off her abs.

[Arilou]

While I wouldn't use the word "fat", it doesn't look like they are giving her sufficient definition in the abs to justify wearing a belly shirt. Her belly looks very, er, soft, I guess.

In other words, in these images she looks like a reasonably healthy person who shouldn't necessarily be showing off her abs.

Women have bellies like that. It's just one of those little differences between men and women.

[Typo Lad]

In other words, in these images she looks like a reasonably healthy person who shouldn't necessarily be showing off her abs.

As i don't think a 16 year old should be wearing that, I can get behind this statement.

[trickster]

You obviously haven't seen a woman in a LONG time if you think this new design is "fat".

The former Supergirl actually looked like she had organs missing. This one looks like a human being. I find her much more credibly as someone who can rip the planet in two should you piss her off.

Yeah, you just don't want her sitting down too fast. She might just break the chair. Alicia Silverstone it is. Look at the sagging flab around her knees. They should call her super grandma.

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed10.jpg

Looking at that picture, she's got thicker legs than mine! Indeed, she looks more like a woman ... an American one, that is.

[Typo Lad]

Gereze trickster. Why not just say "OH NOES! A NORMAL SIZED WOMAN! THAAT'S VILE"

[trickster]

Gereze trickster. Why not just say "OH NOES! A NORMAL SIZED WOMAN! THAAT'S VILE"

Why not? She's got short legs. They should call her "stumpy". And I see plenty of "normal", short legged, broad shouldered sized women on the bus and in the street. Comics should be exempt. And if it's gonna be like that, may I suggest beer bellies? And maybe a male pattern baldness for Dick Grayson? Not even the young and pretty ones are exempt. I should know, :cool: and Heath Ledger can confirm.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I dunno where the "fat" remarks are coming from.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this new take on SG.

If anything, she seems more natural and realistic than ever.

[BeastieRunner]

I like the slight redesign a lot. I wonder if it will be ignored like Joker's redesign and if it will show up in Teen Titans this way.

She looks like the girl next door, not a jail bait bimbo.

[Armless Penguin]

Does the physical redesign come with a personality 180? 'Cause that might just slightly interest me.

Great art though. The "fat" comments astound me.

[Jack Zodiac]

Not me. I've come to terms with the fact that the majority of younger comic fans have unrealistic expectations of women. This Supergirl looks cute, like the girl next door who can bend steel. Churchill's Supergirl looked like a European prostitute who sold some of her organs for collagen implants and make up.

[Arilou]

This Supergirl looks cute, like the girl next door who can bend steel.

Which is EXACTLY how she should look. Just like Clark Kent is a kansas farmboy who just so happens to be able to runn faster than a speeding bullet and leap tall buildings in a single bound Kara shouldn't look like a supermodel.... Rather like that cute girl in your class.

Churchill's Supergirl didn't even look good: She looked like nothing human. (well, she is Kryptonian, but they are human enough to pass for it at a glance, the previous Supergirl could not) This one looks not only like a human girl, but as a damn pretty one.

[BeastieRunner]

This Supergirl looks cute, like the girl next door who can bend steel.

Which is EXACTLY how she should look. Just like Clark Kent is a [K]ansas farmboy who just so happens to be able to run faster than a speeding bullet and leap tall buildings in a single bound Kara shouldn't look like a supermodel.... Rather like that cute girl in your class.


Yay! I'm not the only one on this.



Does the physical redesign come with a personality 180?

I wouldn't mind a little bit more smarts in her noggin either.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

But this is a comic book (one that doesn't necessarily have that large of an audience) in comics there is no "reality" men have biceps that are bigger than their head and stand 6'4". Women have an unattainable beauty and are virtually flawless.

Kara is SUPPOSED to be otherworldly...she isn't supposed to be "normal" that's the whole friggin point of her story is that she's different. You don't have to be "normal" to bring a message of alienation. People that are good looking are alienated BECAUSE of their looks.

You dont see superman getting a beer belly or Wonder Woman getting crows feet why should Kara need to be "softened?"


I could understand if Supergirl was a flagship title of DC and selling millions of copies to little girls....then I'd say "yes giving her a realistic appearance would be good for young girls" but the book really doesn't have that kind of circulation.

Making her so.....zofdig is going to kill sales. Young boys dont want to see "that kind" of supergirl....from a marketing point of view it makes no sense.


And i'm sorry but those poses are FAR more "white trash" than Churchills....the faux marilyn monroe/skirt pose, legs spread wide to the world. Churchill's was sexy just as she was....this version looks like she's trying to hard. Like she's using sex b/c she's got nothing else.....the other version wasn't even aware of her sexuality she was too wrapped up in her "must destroy Kal-el" problems to even be self aware of how sexy she is and that's what made her sexy.

[Armless Penguin]

So you're argument is that DC is making her realistic and ugly rather than unrealistic and sexy? And that it's not ok because the title isn't a flagship and that comics don't have a "reality"?

I'm sorry, but the title's sales have nothing to do with anything, nor does the existence of a "reality." In fact, I would argue that making her more "realistic" has nothing to do with it. They're just making her not disgustingly emaciated. In many of the her portrayls (such as this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kara_Zor-El.jpg) one), her stomach actually curves inward. That's not sexy. That's a medical emergency.

[Alerex]

The design for this Supergirl is 180 degres diffrent for Supergirl. I can not think of any blond Supergirl that has ever looked like this. How tall is she here 5 feet? My first thought of those pictures were, some 12 year old is cosplaying Supergirl.

That’s not my biggest worry. How will this art look in a comic book is, the designs do not inspire confidence that this will look good as a 22 page sequential comic book. Not just Supergirl but any other person in the book.

[Justin D.]

Forget the absolutely friggin' ridiculous statements about Guedes' Supergirl looking fat for a second, but let's address those that are saying she doesn't look attractive. This bothers me as much as the fat description. She doesn't just look like the girl next door. She looks like the hot girl next door. That's how I expect Supergirl to look. Not like a Paris Hilton/Lindsay Lohan slut and not like a plain Jane either. Supergirl should be an attractive girl who you can not only imagine existing, but would assume she'd be likable. If the Jessica Biel comparison didn't float your boat, how about Mandy Moore?

http://www.vnn.vn/dataimages/original/images635705_Mandy_Moore15.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/45/002_3481~Mandy-Moore-Posters.jpg

Moore is an extremely attractive girl that I would model the body type of Supegirl after and seems close to the one Guedes has now.

Kara is SUPPOSED to be otherworldly...she isn't supposed to be "normal" that's the whole friggin point of her story is that she's different. You don't have to be "normal" to bring a message of alienation. People that are good looking are alienated BECAUSE of their looks.

You dont see superman getting a beer belly or Wonder Woman getting crows feet why should Kara need to be "softened?"

If by "softened," you mean making her less skanky-looking, I'm all for that.

I could understand if Supergirl was a flagship title of DC and selling millions of copies to little girls....then I'd say "yes giving her a realistic appearance would be good for young girls" but the book really doesn't have that kind of circulation.

Ever think that DC could be trying to reach out to an audience like that though?

Making her so.....zofdig is going to kill sales. Young boys dont want to see "that kind" of supergirl....from a marketing point of view it makes no sense.

Is zofdig a typo or some weird slang I don't know?

As for what young boys want, I think a lot of boys who like that super skinny look like it because much of the media tells them it's what's hot. I could be wrong, but besides being a boy once myself, I was also a junior high English teacher for three years and saw what girls many boys flocked to.

And i'm sorry but those poses are FAR more "white trash" than Churchills....the faux marilyn monroe/skirt pose, legs spread wide to the world. Churchill's was sexy just as she was....this version looks like she's trying to hard.

First, Guedes gives his Supergirl personality in those poses. More than I've seen by many of Churchill's full issues. Also, the faux Marily Monroe skirt pose was most likely done to show off the shorts she wears under her skirt. Hell, that shot alone made me appreciate Guedes' art even more because he let Supergirl have some respect and common sense for a girl who can fly and chooses to wear a skirt.

the other version wasn't even aware of her sexuality she was too wrapped up in her "must destroy Kal-el" problems to even be self aware of how sexy she is and that's what made her sexy.

She might not have been aware of her sexuality, but many of the artists who drew her before now certainly were.

[David Atkins]

I love the hair and facial features. I dislike the way the shirt looks especially loose fitting in the first picture, but it doesn't seem to be a problem in some of the others. I hate the upskirt shot, the only purpose of which is to show off her shorts. It's just stupid looking.

Overall, it looks nice. Alicia Silverstone indeed.

[Arilou]

But this is a comic book (one that doesn't necessarily have that large of an audience) in comics there is no "reality" men have biceps that are bigger than their head and stand 6'4". Women have an unattainable beauty and are virtually flawless.

You say that as if it is a good thing.

Kara is SUPPOSED to be otherworldly...

Why? Superman isn't. Sure, Clark Kent is ruggedly handsome, but he does look roughly human. Unlike Churchill's monster-without-space-for-internal-organs.

she isn't supposed to be "normal" that's the whole friggin point of her story is that she's different.

Yes, but she's supposed to be different because what she can *do*. Just like Clark Kent is unremarkable to most people, it is the fact that he wears a flashy costume and can, you know, BEND STEEL GIRDERS WITH HIS PINKIE, that makes him special and wondrous and fills you with awe.

You don't have to be "normal" to bring a message of alienation. People that are good looking are alienated BECAUSE of their looks.

Because if that was they were going for previously they didn't succeed. This Kara is beautiful, she looks pretty and human and she has REAL KNEES and a cool nose and is awesome. Previous Kara jad no space for internal organs, a belt for a skirt and generally didn't even look remotely human.

You dont see superman getting a beer belly or Wonder Woman getting crows feet why should Kara need to be "softened?"

Because it actually makes her look human? Wonder Woman is quite often drawn as reasonably human-looking. Superman is most of the time. Supergirl.... Was not. It's really the same problem as with Liefeldt's drawings: Whatever she looked like, it was not a human being.


I could understand if Supergirl was a flagship title of DC and selling millions of copies to little girls....then I'd say "yes giving her a realistic appearance would be good for young girls" but the book really doesn't have that kind of circulation.

And you don't think the two are connected? Giving Supergirl a realistic appearance will probably make the title slightly more accessible to women.... Who, you know, make up 50% or so of the earth's population.

Making her so.....zofdig is going to kill sales. Young boys dont want to see "that kind" of supergirl....from a marketing point of view it makes no sense.

I certainly prefer a pretty girl over an alien monstrosity as the previous one. She's not just looking more like a human being: She's sexier too, because well, humans are usually more attractive than aliens-without-organs.

And i'm sorry but those poses are FAR more "white trash" than Churchills....the faux marilyn monroe/skirt pose, legs spread wide to the world.

To show off the fact that she's wearing shorts underneath her skirt (which makes total sense. If you are flying and wearing a skirt you'd be showing your undies for all the world to see, so might as well wear shorts)

Churchill's was sexy just as she was....

No she wasn't. Unless you're into stick insects. Now, I am sure that is a fetish for some, but it is not one I share.

this version looks like she's trying to hard. Like she's using sex b/c she's got nothing else.....the other version wasn't even aware of her sexuality she was too wrapped up in her "must destroy Kal-el" problems to even be self aware of how sexy she is and that's what made her sexy.

Uhm.... No?

That's really all I have to say about that. The writers/artists were horrible exploitative during the latest run. Let's hope that this redesign is a step in the right direction.

[Justin D.]

The design for this Supergirl is 180 degres diffrent for Supergirl. I can not think of any blond Supergirl that has ever looked like this. How tall is she here 5 feet? My first thought of those pictures were, some 12 year old is cosplaying Supergirl.

That’s not my biggest worry. How will this art look in a comic book is, the designs do not inspire confidence that this will look good as a 22 page sequential comic book. Not just Supergirl but any other person in the book.

I'm curious how old this Supergirl looks to you:

http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/sg00_400x600.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0508/17/supergirl2.jpg

This is how she's been drawn in most of her appearances since she reappeared a few years ago, and they're good examples of why Bedard said he wants to give her a sandwich. For a girl who is supposed to be 16 - 18, she looks unhealthily skinny. She appears to be six feet tall, but weigh around 90 pounds.

[Alerex]

I'm curious how old this Supergirl looks to you:

This is how she's been drawn in most of her appearances since she reappeared a few years ago, and they're good examples of why Bedard said he wants to give her a sandwich. For a girl who is supposed to be 16 - 18, she looks unhealthily skinny. She appears to be six feet tall, but weigh around 90 pounds.

That first picture is Churchill and is bad art. And his Supergirl was everything that Bedard and you say. The Second is Turner and is less bad but in line with what Churchill had done before. Here is Ed Benes Linda Danvers Supergirl.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3812/supergirlte1.png

Looks quite a bit like the current Supergirl right? Supergirl has looked somewhat the same throughout all the years as has Superman. This new look for Supergirl is a very big change and one I don't like.

[Captain Mobra]

The funniest thing about this is how strange the comparisons are. The new art looks like it wants to realistic, as opposed to every other bit of Supergirl seen in this thread which is either extremely dramatized to make her look like bones and super powers, or very cartoony. Just an observation.

And I'm 18 and I think she's pretty cute, for what that matters.

[Typo Lad]

Yes. Change bad. It scare people. Help!

[Michael P]

I've come to terms with the fact that middle-aged virgin comic fans have unrealistic expectations of women.

Here, I fixed this for you.

[Young Avenger]

I very like the new artistic direction they're taking with Supergirl. Though I wish they ditch the "girl next door" look. She anything but that.

[steve2275]

so she doesnt have:( a pretty face anymore :(

[KET]

I'm curious how old this Supergirl looks to you:

http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/sg00_400x600.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0508/17/supergirl2.jpg

This is how she's been drawn in most of her appearances since she reappeared a few years ago, and they're good examples of why Bedard said he wants to give her a sandwich. For a girl who is supposed to be 16 - 18, she looks unhealthily skinny. She appears to be six feet tall, but weigh around 90 pounds.

Not only that, but that 'art' doesn't even resemble a human being. That's a store manniquin flying.

[KET]

That first picture is Churchill and is bad art. And his Supergirl was everything that Bedard and you say. The Second is Turner and is less bad but in line with what Churchill had done before. Here is Ed Benes Linda Danvers Supergirl.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3812/supergirlte1.png

Looks quite a bit like the current Supergirl right?


Nahh, that looks like Benes' Black Canary with an 'S' shield. The basic problem with Benes has always been that all his female faces and bodies are practically interchangeable.


Supergirl has looked somewhat the same throughout all the years as has Superman.

Actually, no. Ever since the early 70s DC has always mucked around with Supergirl's 'look'. It's NEVER been consistant like Superman's.

[KET]

I very like the new artistic direction they're taking with Supergirl. Though I wish they ditch the "girl next door" look. She anything but that.

Except that IS the basic concept of SG in a nutshell: the girl next door with superpowers. Everything else about the character is just window dressing, since in essence, she's "Superman's Mary Marvel".

However, it's ABOUT TIME DC started to realize that she should be positioned more as a 'gateway character' than a 'fanboy whackjob caricature'. That is, if they're actually SERIOUS this time. ;)

[KET]

She looked like a teenage girl before.

No, she's looked like a jailbait streetwalker with a bad coke habit before. Not the same thing. :D

[BizarroBeachHead]

Wow, those sketches look great! I never thought DC would ever get around to a good design for Supergirl.

After reading this thread....kids are stupid. They don't know what they want anyway.
:evilsmile

[Typo Lad]

so she doesnt have:( a pretty face anymore :(

She has a 17 year old's face. I'm a tad too old to comment on "pretty", mind you,.

[dan bailey]

Definitely a change for the better ... though the fact that she has Liz Phair's face is just a tad off-putting.

[glennsim]

Women have bellies like that. It's just one of those little differences between men and women.

Not all of them. Some of them have really tight stomachs. Those are the ones who should wear belly shirts.

[Jack Zodiac]

Nahh, that looks like Benes' Black Canary with an 'S' shield. The basic problem with Benes has always been that all his female faces and bodies are practically interchangeable.

He's gotten a lot better, it's just a shame he's saddled with a crapfest like Justice League. Meanwhile, all the "great" artists have that same problem- all of their women are the same woman, just dressed differently. Churchill, Turner, Lee. They all draw one female bodytype, adjust for height and measurements (sometimes), change the hair and costume, but that's basically it.

Except that IS the basic concept of SG in a nutshell: the girl next door with superpowers. Everything else about the character is just window dressing, since in essence, she's "Superman's Mary Marvel".

Exactly like Superman, too. He's just a farmboy, raised in Middle-America with wholesome values, who happens to be an alien with super powers. He looks like a normal thirty-something male who takes care of himself, but he still looks human. Kara, before, looked inhuman as hell. Churchill's face was a whole lot better than Turner's, but the body type was still all wrong. And the poses? That one picture Justin posted is a half an inch away from telling us whether or not she waxes.

She has a 17 year old's face. I'm a tad too old to comment on "pretty", mind you,.

Morts, I know you're a pretty modest guy and all, but saying a teenage girl has a pretty face isn't wrong. This new Supergirl looks pretty, like a real teenage girl who might grow up to be a knockout one day. She isn't dolled up to look much older than she is or to emulate horrible female rolemodels. She looks normal. Pretty and normal.

[Justin D.]

Not all of them. Some of them have really tight stomachs. Those are the ones who should wear belly shirts.

You don't need every ab to be super-defined (I call them insect abdomen stomachs) to have a nice-looking stomach. Maybe you're into that though, and that's cool. If a girl has abs that look like the girl's in this picture (http://p-images.veoh.com/image.out?imageId=user-bamfan8477.jpg), it's not attractive to me at all. Nor is it the image I get when I think of Supergirl or most female superheroes.

[Blake Petit]

Personally, I like it. And I'm bummed that Tony's only on for a few issues.

[Justin D.]

Personally, I like it. And I'm bummed that Tony's only on for a few issues.

According to what he wrote on the Supergirl thread on Bedard's own board here at CBR, his run on the book could be extended if reception is good enough. Geoff Johns was originally scheduled for a four to six-issue run on The Flash and look what happened there thanks to reader reactions.

[Animation]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3812/supergirlte1.png

Looks quite a bit like the current Supergirl right? Supergirl has looked somewhat the same throughout all the years as has Superman. This new look for Supergirl is a very big change and one I don't like.

I think the Linda Danvers pic you posted looks radically different than the modern coked-up, sandwich-hating version. Sure, the costume is essentially similar, but thats not what its about. That Linda Danvers pic is good. She looks like she plays a lot of sports and is fit, but she is NOT a scrawny stick girl who looks like she will snap in half between snort and purge.

Basically Linda Danvers was drawn young, active, but still somewhat muscular, if perhaps idealized (which is fine). The new one looks like a D&D elf or perhaps a bird creature with some kinda freaky bird-chick metabolism .... or else a druggie who needs to eat. You decide.

I like the look in the pencil sketches but it looks so radically different in tone, body style, face, attitude, that you'd just about have to think its a reboot and/or ignore the personality of the current one entirely.

Lewis

[Young Avenger]

Except that IS the basic concept of SG in a nutshell: the girl next door with superpowers. Everything else about the character is just window dressing, since in essence, she's "Superman's Mary Marvel".

WAS the basic concept of SG. Current SG is nothing like the old Kara and I find that to be a good thing.

[Lex]

I love that concept art. Between that art and what Bedard was talking about in his interview, I just might pick up this book.

And we've already gotten a decent preview of Guedes' Supergirl in Action Comics #850. Though it looks like he tweaked the costume a bit in the concept art.

[Paperghost]

...wow, people have some weird ideas about what looks "fat", don't they? I guess a six foot long stomach with no internal organs behind it is supposed to be the norm these days.

anyone remember the time when comic artists could actually draw stuff?

Most women in comics currently either look like a parody, or some horrendously contorted sketch of a store dummy with no organs inside it or (even better) what basically amounts to a dude. god forbid anyone actually draw a woman that, you know, looks like a woman. why don't we just remove their skirts, graft on a wang and call em all steve. because it seems if they don't look like an action figure with the joints in the wrong places or a dude in drag, comic readers aren't happy with it.

also, one more time: "fat"....ahahahaha etc.

[KET]

WAS the basic concept of SG.

No, it still IS, but as usual DC editorial simply FORGOT ABOUT IT for awhile. Publishers can change their comic universes, but they CAN'T CHANGE their own, already published history.


Current SG is nothing like the old Kara and I find that to be a good thing.

She's young, she's blonde, she flies and wears an 'S' shield, AND she also answers to the name, "Kara". What's your point again? :D

[Omega the Unknown]

well, at least I will not be getting "the look" from my girlfriend anymore when she sees me reading this book.

she sees women drawn in comics like supergirl has been and immediately assumes that the target audience has never kissed a girl and stares at these pictures a little too much.

"no honey, big boobs and no internal organs are an integral part of the story!"

[sabongero]

Okay as long as you keep the premise that she can be potentially stronger than Superman.

[Kage Kisaragi]

What? .... looks like the chick from down the street who'd blow you for a pack of smokes. Sigh, where have all the good comics and where are all the color guards? Where's the penciler like E. Bene's to fight the rising odds?

[Kage Kisaragi]

You don't need every ab to be super-defined (I call them insect abdomen stomachs) to have a nice-looking stomach. Maybe you're into that though, and that's cool. If a girl has abs that look like the girl's in this picture (http://p-images.veoh.com/image.out?imageId=user-bamfan8477.jpg), it's not attractive to me at all. Nor is it the image I get when I think of Supergirl or most female superheroes.

im not getting on you or anything, but thats just how some artist draw, its not particular Supergirl/Kara saying look at me, this is how I normally look or anything. Each artist takes their own liberties when it comes to drawing the anatomy the way they prefer it.

Also those up coming pics make it look like Kara doesnt workout at (That includes fighting supervillains and flying around, firing heat vision and using other superpowers which I would assume burn some calories.) all but rather hangs out in a supergirl costume and plays ps3/wii.

[glennsim]

im not getting on you or anything, but thats just how some artist draw, its not particular Supergirl/Kara saying look at me, this is how I normally look or anything. Each artist takes their own liberties when it comes to drawing the anatomy the way they prefer it.

Also those up coming pics make it look like Kara doesnt workout at (That includes fighting supervillains and flying around, firing heat vision and using other superpowers which I would assume burn some calories.) all but rather hangs out in a supergirl costume and plays ps3/wii.

Heh. Agreed.

I think what those of us who don't like the new look are trying to say is that it seems to be going too far in the other direction from the Turner/Churchill model.

Somewhere in between would be better.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

those up coming pics make it look like Kara doesnt workout at (That includes fighting supervillains and flying around, firing heat vision and using other superpowers which I would assume burn some calories.) all but rather hangs out in a supergirl costume and plays ps3/wii.

That´s actually the 2nd reason why I like her new look (first being the fact that the art is AMAZING!).
I like the idea of Kara being an average girl-next-door.
Pretty, yes, but not OMFG!-Stop-The-Press!-A-Goddess-just-walked-in pretty. :)

[Mia]

She looked like a teenage girl before. However, she looked like a skinny 13-year-old girl, not a girl who is 16 to 18 like I thought the character was supposed to be. That's the big difference for me when people take sides on what Supergirl looks. The difference in appearance between a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old is often quite substantial so just saying she looks like a teenager isn't specific enough. .

Actually she looked more like a ballerina. With the definition and musculature. I don’t know if you attend the ballet. But what those women (and men) do takes a great deal of strength and stamina.


Also, I really like the new designs and those alone would make me want to pick up the book. I agree with Bedard when he says that Renato Guedes has a Tony Harris-style to him. Bedard's writing is solid too, so that's another good reason to try the book out. If enough people pick it up and like it, maybe this could become the new permanent creative team.


I will be very curious to see the sales numbers on the book. Not only are they watering her down and turning her into some sort of Pollyanna. Now it appears that the artwork will be God awful as well.

Why not? She's got short legs. They should call her "stumpy". And I see plenty of "normal", short legged, broad shouldered sized women on the bus and in the street. Comics should be exempt. And if it's gonna be like that, may I suggest beer bellies? And maybe a male pattern baldness for Dick Grayson? Not even the young and pretty ones are exempt. I should know, :cool: and Heath Ledger can confirm.

Oh I agree with you. When I want to see ‘normal’ or ‘regular’ looking men and women I can go out on the street or sit in the mall. I don’t pay almost 4 dollars to see regular looking men and women. I actually like it that comic book characters are attractive and fine physical specimens.

This heroine looks as if she needs to be shoved in front of a full sized mirror so she can see how ridiculous she looks. Or she should be told to cut back on the donuts.

Yes. Change bad. It scare people. Help!


Change is fine. But change for the better. I wonder if the person who okayed this abominable work took at the kind of books that sell well. Jim Lee, Tim Sale and Ed Benes.




You don't need every ab to be super-defined (I call them insect abdomen stomachs) to have a nice-looking stomach. Maybe you're into that though, and that's cool. If a girl has abs that look like the girl's in this picture (http://p-images.veoh.com/image.out?imageId=user-bamfan8477.jpg), it's not attractive to me at all. Nor is it the image I get when I think of Supergirl or most female superheroes.

Well then you must be in a minority. Because when I think of a female superheroine. I think of athletism, health and vitality. That woman in that picture exudes none of these qualities. She looks sluggish and corpulant.


Also those up coming pics make it look like Kara doesnt workout at (That includes fighting supervillains and flying around, firing heat vision and using other superpowers which I would assume burn some calories.) all but rather hangs out in a supergirl costume and plays ps3/wii.

LOL!!! That’s funny!


I find many of the complaints on here farcical. It's from many of the same people who complain about Supergirl's 'attitude'.

They want Kara to look realistic. But complain that she's actually behaving like a human being. I can not believe that DC is really bowing to this.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I have no idea what everyone's problem is.......

:confused:

I think she looks fine. And since, you know, we haven't read any of the new issues yet, I don't see why all these complaints about her "new personality" are coming up.

[Blake Petit]

Well, that's the great thing about the internet, isn't it? We no longer actually have to wait to read something to complain about it. Cuts out the middleman, really.

[Jack Zodiac]

They want Kara to look realistic. But complain that she's actually behaving like a human being. I can not believe that DC is really bowing to this.

"Behaving like a human being?" She's acting like a human being while she's being selfish and irresponsible, but she'd also be acting like a human being if she were able to face her problems head on and take responsibility for herself. Not all human beings are dumb assholes. A lot of them realize where they suck at life and stop sucking, or at least try. Hopefully Bedard's Supergirl is the Supergirl who realized what a jackass she's been and starts getting her mess of a life together.

Starting with not looking like a fifteen year old Eastern European prostitute.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

"Behaving like a human being?" She's acting like a human being while she's being selfish and irresponsible, but she'd also be acting like a human being if she were able to face her problems head on and take responsibility for herself. Not all human beings are dumb assholes. A lot of them realize where they suck at life and stop sucking, or at least try. Hopefully Bedard's Supergirl is the Supergirl who realized what a jackass she's been and starts getting her mess of a life together.

Starting with not looking like a fifteen year old Eastern European prostitute.

Thank you. You pretty much gave an awesome response that reflected why so many other posters have such a problem with the title's current state.

Besides the snark at the end of course. :D

[Kid Kamikaze10]

ARRGGHHH! Double post

[Mia]

"Behaving like a human being?" She's acting like a human being while she's being selfish and irresponsible, but she'd also be acting like a human being if she were able to face her problems head on and take responsibility for herself.

Respectfully, that's sheer nonsense. Completely disengenuous.

You either a) haven't been reading the book or b) are so blinded by your hatred and prejudice of the character that you haven't been able to see what exactly in on the page.


First let me address the notion of Kara not 'taking responsibility for herself' and facing her problems.

If that were true....

.... She wouldn't have left Theymiscera (sic) gone and gotten an apartment. She would have been content to sponge and freeload off either Lois and Clark or Ma and Pa Kent.

......She would have been happy to simply take a financial hand out from Batman and Wonderwoman. Instead of insiting of a fair financial trade for her 'sourcedoc'.

......When she found out that Batgirl was trying to kill her. She wouldn't have tried to find out where Batgirl was so that she could take the fight to Batgirl instead of waiting around like a passive idiot and waiting for Batgirl to attack her again.

"
Not all human beings are dumb assholes. A lot of them realize where they suck at life and stop sucking, or at least try.

No not all human beings are "Dumb a/holes". But as was stated in the comic all human beings have problems, insecurities and indaquecies. And many of them try to move through them to do what is right. Which is what Kara has done time and time again. Whether that be in rescuing a girl from being hit by a truck, stopping a man from beating his wife, showing a broken down man the right way so that he could be re-united with his daughter. Standing up to a boy who hit her. Rightly walking away from a fight. Or rightly walking away from a fight.

Perhaps this counts for nothing in your book. But it certainly counts a lot in mine.


"
Hopefully Bedard's Supergirl is the Supergirl who realized what a jackass she's been and starts getting her mess of a life together..

Ostensibly by turning her into a modern day version of Pollyanna and a one dimensional plaster saint.


"
Starting with not looking like a fifteen year old Eastern European prostitute.

I can't speak to that. I don't know any Eastern European Prostitutes. But as someone posted on another forum. Her costume is basically the modification of a cheerleaders costume. And she is no more scantily dressed than 90% of comic book heroines. She certainly looks far more modestly covered and dressed than Wonderwoman. Is Wonderwoman a prostitute now too?


Really JZ, you seem to be a fairly intelligent person. But it's beyond me why you make up stuff that's not in the book. As opposed to simply stating that you don't like the characterisation, which many have done.

[Jack Zodiac]

First let me address the notion of Kara not 'taking responsibility for herself' and facing her problems.

If that were true....

.... She wouldn't have left Theymiscera (sic) gone and gotten an apartment. She would have been content to sponge and freeload off either Lois and Clark or Ma and Pa Kent.

......She would have been happy to simply take a financial hand out from Batman and Wonderwoman. Instead of insiting of a fair financial trade for her 'sourcedoc'.

......When she found out that Batgirl was trying to kill her. She wouldn't have tried to find out where Batgirl was so that she could take the fight to Batgirl instead of waiting around like a passive idiot and waiting for Batgirl to attack her again.

If she were responsible, she would've...

...done something more about her lingering homocidal tendencies towards her cousin than just hiding from him.

...saved Kandor, quite possibly the last refuge for any remaining Kryptonians in the universe, instead of handing it, giftwrapped, to some psychopathic evil Superman and a time-traveling psychic.

...at least used the information about Argo City she recieved from Saturn Queen for selling out Kandor.

...been somewhat proactive in applying her superpowers toward some useful purpose instead of trying to fit in with The Outsiders 'cause the older dude she hangs around with in her panties is on the team.

No not all human beings are "Dumb a/holes". But as was stated in the comic all human beings have problems, insecurities and indaquecies. And many of them try to move through them to do what is right. Which is what Kara has done time and time again. Whether that be in rescuing a girl from being hit by a truck, stopping a man from beating his wife, showing a broken down man the right way so that he could be re-united with his daughter. Standing up to a boy who hit her. Rightly walking away from a fight. Or rightly walking away from a fight.

Perhaps this counts for nothing in your book. But it certainly counts a lot in mine.

No, we've seen her react to situations. We've never seen her (or rather, haven't until recently) overcome her own problems: her fear and confusion concerning her only family left in the universe, her inability to integrate to our world or stand out in any meaningful way, or her trust issues with adult male figures stemming from her past experiences with her father (this is the one we've finally seen some development on, though not much).

Ostensibly by turning her into a modern day version of Pollyanna and a one dimensional plaster saint.

I sure wish I had whatever time machine or "early edition" of Supergirl you've got where you're already reading the Bedard issues.

I can't speak to that. I don't know any Eastern European Prostitutes. But as someone posted on another forum. Her costume is basically the modification of a cheerleaders costume. And she is no more scantily dressed than 90% of comic book heroines. She certainly looks far more modestly covered and dressed than Wonderwoman. Is Wonderwoman a prostitute now too?

I'm not talking about her costume, I'm talking about her horribly ugly, emaciated figure. When she was talking about how she was "ugly" in this latest issue, I almost !@#$ my pants. Sure, the art on this book has never been good (save for Amanda Conner's fill-in issue), but I'm pretty damn sure she's never been meant to be ugly, or even plain-looking, the way artists have depicted her. I mean, in my opinion, there've been issues where she was close to hideous, but whoever the artist may have been was surely going for a sexy, decidedly not-ugly Supergirl. She looks like she weighs eighty pounds, mostly bones and lips.

Wonder Woman, on the other hand, scantily clad though she may be, is almost always drawn beautifully, proportionaly, and womanly. Wonder Woman looks like a woman, like a strong, beautiful woman, which is what she is. Supergirl looks like a whore, like a skinny, fifteen year old whore, which she isn't.

When Kelly has her call herself "ugly" you have to wonder how much he understands his own characterization of Supergirl.

Really JZ, you seem to be a fairly intelligent person. But it's beyond me why you make up stuff that's not in the book. As opposed to simply stating that you don't like the characterisation, which many have done.

If I have to start prefacing all of my posts with "IMO" or some other lame, unnecessary, arbitrary indicator of how much my views may differ from yours, I'm gonna' have to start working on my ignore list. Every issue of Joe's Supergirl I've read has led me to view Kara as a selfish, irresponsible, lazy girl with superpowers she doesn't use in any unselfish, responsible, proactive way. Not until just recently. Trying to join the Outsiders, throwing in on another superheroine's fight because it interrupted your rave, that !@#$ isn't heroic and it isn't super.

This is a superhero comic. My expectation is frequent superheroics with a moral. Character development is also a huge plus in today's books. Up until a couple months ago, all I got from Supergirl was character stagnation and gimmicky throwdowns between her and other heroes, all the things a superhero comic shouldn't be. If I wanted to read a depressing book about a broken female lead, I'd read an indie book where the writer isn't ruining an already established character and franchise.

I know you've enjoyed the character and the book for your own reasons, but for mine, I've disliked the book greatly.

[bfrank]

she looks like a girl....hence her name......

[Francis]

she looks like a girl....hence her name......
But she doesn't. (With the possible exception of Paris Hilton).

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

I dont think she's ever looked ugle or like "a prostitute" or "like Paris Hilton" at all. The only time I thought she looked "ugly" was when Churchhil drew her. Barry Kitson made her look great, like a nice healthy looking girl, so has George Perez and, IMO, Ale Garza, who I think made her look cute with the way that tuft of hair fell over her eyes.

THe problem wasnt how she looked, it was the artist who drew her. She didnt need a "realistic" make over and nothing was wrong with her costume. Again, the only time I thought she kinda looked like an 80lbs twig was with Churchill and he's gone from the book.

[Justin D.]

I dont think she's ever looked ugle or like "a prostitute" or "like Paris Hilton" at all. The only time I thought she looked "ugly" was when Churchhil drew her. Barry Kitson made her look great, like a nice healthy looking girl, so has George Perez and, IMO, Ale Garza, who I think made her look cute with the way that tuft of hair fell over her eyes.

THe problem wasnt how she looked, it was the artist who drew her. She didnt need a "realistic" make over and nothing was wrong with her costume. Again, the only time I thought she kinda looked like an 80lbs twig was with Churchill and he's gone from the book.

None of the artists who you say have drawn her well have worked on the Supergirl book. They've drawn her other appearances in books like Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes and Brave & the Bold. It's how Supergirl has been drawn in her own book that will be affected the most by the change. If Guedes' art has any influence on her appearances elsewhere, I'm not going to be upset in the least.

I've seen people saying they think Guedes' preview art is ugly, and I don't understand that. Is it just because people don't like the character drawn that way or do they sincerely not like his art? Take a look at how he drew Supergirl in Action Comics 850 that came out recently. I don't see what someone could complain about there, but I'm sure there will be some critics of the art anyway.

[blackphoenix]

Wow. DC plans on portraying Supergirl (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315) with an almost realistic bodytype!

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed4.jpg

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed2.jpg





Mmmm....Daddy likes girls with meat on their bones! But did they hafta get rid of the tiny powder blue panties under her skirt? BIKER SHORTS??? Lame. Now if they can come up with a good writer(whuts Devin Grayson up to lately) to go along with the new look, I'd have to give this a try.

[Typo Lad]

Devin 'Slash Fiction Novel about Nightwing and Batman" Grayson?

No thank YOU!

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Mmmm....Daddy likes girls with meat on their bones! But did they hafta get rid of the tiny powder blue panties under her skirt? BIKER SHORTS??? Lame. Now if they can come up with a good writer(whuts Devin Grayson up to lately) to go along with the new look, I'd have to give this a try.

I actualy like the biker shorts (my Silversparrow wears them too :D ).

It´s far less disturbing than seeing a 15 uyears old wearing a g-string.

[Jack Zodiac]

Devin 'Slash Fiction Novel about Nightwing and Batman" Grayson?

No thank YOU!

I'm 99% sure he was joking. Probably.

[karasu]

I don't like the redesign. Shouldn't Supergirl be a little more fit than that? That just looks like some average girl or the current deboobified version of Lindsey Lohan.

[sabongero]

Looks like the new redesign of Supergirl comes out to be somewhat like a "nickle'n dimes Ham 'n' egger" as Bobby Heenan used to term the Humanoids.

She's an alien. She doesn't have to look or be an average Earth girl.

[Pól Rua]

Pollyanna

You keep using that word.
I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Rattlehead]

All I can say is if you have any doubts about the redesign, pick up Action Comics #850 and see the Guedes design in an actual book. She looks great in that issue, and she's doesn't look the least bit chunky or fat. She's still very fit, even has a nicely toned stomach. The difference is she looks like an actual person now, and doesn't look out of place when she's standing next to other characters. He also gave Kara's face a bit more personality. All in all he did an awesome job on her.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I am looking forward to it.

Supergirl has always been one of my favorite characters (hers was the very first superhero comic I read, thanks to an issue my sister bought back in the day) but unfortunately, the relaunch really killed the character for me.

[DC/Marvelfan]

Wow. DC plans on portraying Supergirl (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315) with an almost realistic bodytype!

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed4.jpg

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed2.jpg



I want Tony Bedard's puppies now.
How crappy. Yeah ofcourse have a realistic look to a comic book chick whatever.

[Mia]

If she were responsible, she would've...

...done something more about her lingering homocidal tendencies towards her cousin than just hiding from him..

Such as? Sitting on the couch talking about it with a shrink? I've been collecting comic books for 18 year now and I have never ever read a book where a character with troubles has solved his/her problems in couple of issues. And I don't expect that to happen--especially given the fact that it's serialised story telling. Not a 30 minute sit com. Where everything is wrapped up neatly in a short space of time. SG has been running for over a little more than a year and we've been shown that Kara has some serious psychological problems.

I've known trouble people who were troubled even in their teenage years and many don't even go and get help for their trauma until they are adults. Many would not even think to do so at that young age. Why would you expect Kara to do the same?





...saved Kandor, quite possibly the last refuge for any remaining Kryptonians in the universe, instead of handing it, giftwrapped, to some psychopathic evil Superman and a time-traveling psychic.

...at least used the information about Argo City she recieved from Saturn Queen for selling out Kandor.


So for that matter could Power Girl. However I don't see you skewering her either. Is she irresponsible as well? I have no quarel with the fact that she did the wrong thing. I'm not excusing it. I never ever said that she was perfect. But again this goes back to my previous remark above. This is a serialised story. I don't expect a story like that to be resolved in 2 or 3 issues. And who is to say that it won't be picked up again?






...been somewhat proactive in applying her superpowers toward some useful purpose instead of trying to fit in with The Outsiders 'cause the older dude she hangs around with in her panties is on the team.

Have you been reading the book? She's done that already. She's saved lives. And she's tried to make the lives of others better.



No, we've seen her react to situations. We've never seen her (or rather, haven't until recently) overcome her own problems: her fear and confusion concerning her only family left in the universe, her inability to integrate to our world or stand out in any meaningful way, or her trust issues with adult male figures stemming from her past experiences with her father (this is the one we've finally seen some development on, though not much).



I sure wish I had whatever time machine or "early edition" of Supergirl you've got where you're already reading the Bedard issues..


No need for a time machine. He's already spoken of his idea for the character:


BEDARD: Well, I think that just because they're all "strong females" doesn't mean they're all alike. Supergirl's a teenager and still relatively new to Earth, so she'll be more naive than Black Canary, who's a seasoned veteran. With Birds of Prey, the whole point of the team is that everyone brings a different type of strength to the mix, so you try and write accordingly. Hopefully, I manage to pull it off.


She's not a dark avenger or Goth punk. She's a strange visitor from another planet who should embody all that's best in humanity and in America. That's right, America. The land of immigrants who make good.

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315


On thing I loved about what Rucka/Kelly run on the book is how they wrote the character. Sometime she came across as a spoilt bratty teenager at other times she came across as a jaded woman in her 40's. As I've said before she often made me think of a younger version of Emma Frost or Selina 'Catwoman' Kyle.

Now Beddard wants to water her down and 'de-claw' her by her by making her 'naive'. Not interested. The momment I read that Newsaramma interview, I had the book dropped from my pull list, #20 is my last issue. I hate stupid women.









When Kelly has her call herself "ugly" you have to wonder how much he understands his own characterization of Supergirl.

You know many women and how they think? It's not un-heard of and uncommon for women to beat themselves--yes even the hot ones, and to be extreemely self critical of themselves. That's what Kara is doing in this issue and it lends to the realism which Kelly was trying to inject in the character.





If I have to start prefacing all of my posts with "IMO" or some other lame, unnecessary, arbitrary indicator of how much my views may differ from yours, I'm gonna' have to start working on my ignore list. Every issue of Joe's Supergirl I've read has led me to view Kara as a selfish, irresponsible, lazy girl with superpowers she doesn't use in any unselfish, responsible, proactive way. Not until just recently. Trying to join the Outsiders, throwing in on another superheroine's fight because it interrupted your rave, that !@#$ isn't heroic and it isn't super.

Well again, I have to ask if you've really been reading the book. Since I've seen plenty of examples of her doing the things which you've accused her of not doing. Whether that be in rescuing a girl from being hit by a truck, stopping a man from beating his wife, showing a broken down man the right way so that he could be re-united with his daughter. Standing up to a boy who hit her. Rightly walking away from a fight. Or rightly walking away from a fight. Or even trying to forge her own way in the way instead of simply freeloading off of people.






This is a superhero comic. My expectation is frequent superheroics with a moral. Character development is also a huge plus in today's books. Up until a couple months ago, all I got from Supergirl was character stagnation and gimmicky throwdowns between her and other heroes, all the things a superhero comic shouldn't be. If I wanted to read a depressing book about a broken female lead, I'd read an indie book where the writer isn't ruining an already established character and franchise.

I know you've enjoyed the character and the book for your own reasons, but for mine, I've disliked the book greatly.


Yes this is a superhero comic. And my expectations of a superhero comic is serialised story telling, with a gradual and episodic progression over time. Which involves a textured and layered character performing heroic deeds--whether they feel like it or not. My expectations are not for the hero and heroine to be perfect, without fault and to have a smile plastered on their faces or stories to be wrapped up in every single issue.



Oh by the way, Add me to your ignore list if you want. I guess it would be better for you to only communicate with people who share your opinion.

The discussions were fun while they lasted. Take care.

[Mia]

You keep using that word.
I don't think it means what you think it means.

Yes I know what it means. A Pollyanna is an excessively or blindly optimistic person. Or someone who finds cause for gladness in the most difficult situations.

Which is what it seems DC plans on making her for now on: A Pollyannna or Superman with breasts.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I find many of the complaints on here farcical. It's from many of the same people who complain about Supergirl's 'attitude'.

They want Kara to look realistic. But complain that she's actually behaving like a human being. I can not believe that DC is really bowing to this.

You speak the truth!!

[Kage Kisaragi]

Thank you. You pretty much gave an awesome response that reflected why so many other posters have such a problem with the title's current state.

Besides the snark at the end of course. :D

Its funny because from what I've seen its the exact opposite of what you and Jack are talking about. She isnt sitting in the bar every issue playing mind games with Boomer. Shes doing what she feels is right both for herself and as a member of the Superhero community. I guess all those issues I Supergirl I have are the fake ones because the good seems to be alot more numerious than the bad, and so help me if I hear crap about Kandor one more time. >_< RRRAAAAGGGGGHHHH! good gosh, I don't know what I'll do.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I actualy like the biker shorts (my Silversparrow wears them too :D ).

It´s far less disturbing than seeing a 15 uyears old wearing a g-string.

Last I checked the girl was pushing 17 where did this 15 stuff come from?

[Sean Whitmore]

Actually she looked more like a ballerina.

If ballerina = crack addict, maybe.


Not only are they watering her down and turning her into some sort of Pollyanna.


Is Pollyanna the only word you know to describe someone not being a jerk?


Because when I think of a female superheroine. I think of athletism, health and vitality.


You can't be thinking of Supergirl then, because she looks like she needs to eat a sandwich or she's gonna die.


SEAN

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Last I checked the girl was pushing 17 where did this 15 stuff come from?


She´s 17 now?

Goes to show how much I lost track of the character....

[PatrickG]

She´s 17 now?

Goes to show how much I lost track of the character....

She was "16 or 17" when she debuted. And DC has insisted that the last two years happened in "real time". 52 took a year. And the current books take place one DCU year after the end of 52.

[Harding Prime]

Loeb and Churchill should not work for DC anymore after this botch job they did on a great character they re-invented.

[Harding Prime]

Wow. DC plans on portraying Supergirl (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315) with an almost realistic bodytype!

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed4.jpg


She is Supergirl!!!

If anyone should have the perfect body, it is her on this planet.

That is like saying I think Superman should have a beer belly!:rolleyes:

[Typo Lad]

She is Supergirl!!!

If anyone should have the perfect body, it is her on this planet.

That is like saying I think Superman should have a beer belly!:rolleyes:

You found that anorexic look to be "prefect'?

Really?

[Sean Whitmore]

You found that anorexic look to be "prefect'?

Really?

For a Sally Struthers commercial, maybe.

"For just 5 cents a day...."


SEAN

[Harding Prime]

Not prefect....no.

I honestly loved Churchills take on the new Kara.

Her body type was not anarexic at all in my eyes. She is a skinny girl that is perportioned well to her body and was well defined for her size as well, muscularly. I really like the character and don't think she looks anything like Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan. It was just great art to me.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Loeb and Churchill should not work for DC anymore after this botch job they did on a great character they re-invented.

THEY Reinvented? Last time checked, the idea to bring a character back into continunity comes down from the editor, the designs are submitted and the editor decides which look is the one they want for the character, the writers get a brief description on the premise for the new character and they can build off of that. I don't think this is Leob or Churchill's fault.

[Kage Kisaragi]

She is Supergirl!!!

If anyone should have the perfect body, it is her on this planet.

That is like saying I think Superman should have a beer belly!:rolleyes:

I do agree with this train of logic though, its actually rather funny but yet true.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Not prefect....no.

I honestly loved Churchills take on the new Kara.

Her body type was not anarexic at all in my eyes. She is a skinny girl that is perportioned well to her body and was well defined for her size as well, muscularly. I really like the character and don't think she looks anything like Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan. It was just great art to me.

You sure you're not my twin?

[Harding Prime]

I'm actually pretty sure the idea to bring Kara back had alot to do from Loeb himself, and the original artwork was churchill, so changing her into this frumpy lard would insult both of them. I am almost positive Jeph was involved in idea to bring Kara back though.

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm actually pretty sure the idea to bring Kara back had alot to do from Loeb himself, and the original artwork was churchill, so changing her into this frumpy lard would insult both of them.

What pictures have you been looking at? Because the concept art we're all taking about still portrays Supergirl with a better body than most real women.

And just because Churchill isn't so hot at anatomy doesn't mean seeing it done well would insult him.


SEAN

[Kage Kisaragi]

ahh, actually Turner was drawing her first, she made her debue during the Superman Batman adventurers under Turner's pencil, heck his work was one of the reason that made me pick up the book, (his covers actually.) I started reading about her in those which spun into me buying her solo series.

[Harding Prime]

What pictures have you been looking at? Because the concept art we're all taking about still portrays Supergirl with a better body than most real women.

And just because Churchill isn't so hot at anatomy doesn't mean seeing it done well would insult him.


SEAN

First off, that whole statement....SIKE!

And I don't know what ugly hermit troll women you hang out with, but I like to keep myself with attractive women that don't wear halter tops that make there jugs look like they might reach their belly buttons.

[Harding Prime]

ahh, actually Turner was drawing her first, she made her debue during the Superman Batman adventurers under Turner's pencil, heck his work was one of the reason that made me pick up the book, (his covers actually.) I started reading about her in those which spun into me buying her solo series.

I thought that Chruchill was still doing that arc while Turner and Jim Lee did the covers. I'm pretty sure Churchill did Superman/Batman #19, which became Supergirl #0. But on the first arc in S/B, I could be wrong, I would have to take a look back. But they all have pretty similar styles, and I like them all. Same here though I the reason I get into the new Kara in the first place.

[Sean Whitmore]

I like to keep myself with attractive women

Oh, I'm sure you do.

"I like my cartoon characters hawwwwt" gets the girls every time.

And I still wonder where you're seeing these fat Supergirl pictures.


SEAN

[karasu]

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed4.jpg

I swear that's Paris Hilton.

http://m1.freeshare.us/151fs945934.jpg
http://m1.freeshare.us/151fs960711.jpg

What's the difference? Same eyebrows, eyelashes, dark eye makeup, etc. It's Paris Hilton with Lindsay Lohan's mouth lol. I have no idea why people say Churchill's wide eyed Kara looks like Paris Hilton.

http://m1.freeshare.us/151fs947293.jpg

She may act like an idiot, but she looks NOTHING like her.

[Violently Apathetic]

Hmm...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Kagome654/1417c276.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Kagome654/96558918.jpg

Well, I wouldn't say they're twins or anything, but both kinda creep me out. I like curves and non elongated torsos, but that's just me.

More Paris/Supergirl comparison pics here. (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1197107.html) Warning for Paris camel toe (as if you'd expect any different).

[Alerex]

Two things

1. Supergirl is anorexic.

From Wikipedia
To be diagnosed as having anorexia nervosa, according to the DSM-IV-TR, a person must display:

1. Refusal to maintain body weight at or above a minimally normal weight for age and height (e.g., weight loss leading to maintenance of body weight less than 85% of that expected; or failure to make expected weight gain during period of growth, leading to body weight less than 85% of that expected).
2. Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat.
3. Disturbance in the way in which one's body weight or shape is experienced, undue influence of body weight or shape on self-evaluation, or denial of the seriousness of the current low body weight.
4. In postmenarcheal, premenopausal females (women who have had their first menstrual period but have not yet gone through menopause), amenorrhea (the absence of at least three consecutive menstrual cycles).
5. Or other eating related disorders.

Under these guidelines Supergirl is not anorexic. This is if she was a real person and does not take into account that she is an alien, therefore, she cannot be defined as anorexic.

2. Supergirl is Paris Hilton.

I am guessing this comparison is due to the fact that many people think Paris is morally reprehensible and think Kara is too. Please correct me if I am wrong.

However,
Has Kara driven or flown drunk?
Then arrested and latter been put in jail for violating probation?
Does Kara have many sex tapes out in the DCU?

Also DC would get into trouble for using Paris likeness in a comic without her consent.

[Violently Apathetic]

I think someone is being a little too literal...

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Oh, if we want to get all literal, let me point out how stupid that phrase about the Outsiders on that page AV put up.

"There are no rule"? Yeah, you say that while Nightwing berates the s**t outta you. Seeing what he did in the first OYL issue, he'd probably get at Supergirl so bad, Batman (Mr. "The only time you ever inspired anyone was when you were dead.") would tell him that he's outta line.

But, that's just my opinion. And wow, this comparison stuff is kinda funny.

Old SG = Paris Hilton
New SG = Lindsay Lohan (hopefully, the hotter one from back then)

I still see an improvement. I never ever thought Paris was hot, but Lindsay sure was, at one point.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Can I be literal too?

If she´s indeed 17, she should contemplate changing her name to Superwoman.
She´s only one year away from being legaly an adult.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Can I be literal too?

If she´s indeed 17, she should contemplate changing her name to Superwoman.
She´s only one year away from being legaly an adult.

LOL

Wow, this thread is getting a bit off-topic (somewhat)... :D

[KET]

Two things

1. Supergirl is anorexic.


CORRECTION: looks anorexic. Doesn't mean that she is, but her current visual depiction is enough to leave that distinct impression, which makes her look UNHEALTHY at best.


2. Supergirl is Paris Hilton.

I am guessing this comparison is due to the fact that many people think Paris is morally reprehensible and think Kara is too.

Ya think? ;)

Try "airhead blonde who constantly flees from anything that's socially responsible. Whines about the trials of her rich, priviledged lifestyle to anyone within earshot lately." You're straining to make real literal connections, but conveniently ignoring what little personality has been put into the character thus far.


Also DC would get into trouble for using Paris likeness in a comic without her consent.

Seems doubtful; Paris would probably find it amusing and "hot". :D

[PatrickG]

#1. Where do you get that she's an airhead?

#2. Do you have a problem with rich people whining? Do you think money means people should suck it up when bad things happen any more than people without money do?

[Harding Prime]

She is not an airhead, she is a confused adolescent remembering an infant Kal-El and doesn't now which way to turn and hasn't been given the best arcs since Jeph left, but at the time I was really enjoying the book. The whole Kandor angle totally threw me through a loop. But I loved Turner/Churchill's Kara.

[ForEverAncien]

Well, I didn't see this post from the beginning.

If the art can be that decent, then the stories from the illustration should help turned this 'mess' around.

Otherwise, it will be a waste of pages.

UPDATE: Just reviewed the entire thread, on for 3 books only, oh well.

[karasu]

Hmm...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Kagome654/1417c276.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Kagome654/96558918.jpg

Well, I wouldn't say they're twins or anything, but both kinda creep me out. I like curves and non elongated torsos, but that's just me.

More Paris/Supergirl comparison pics here. (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1197107.html) Warning for Paris camel toe (as if you'd expect any different).


I saw those and they look NOTHING alike. There are some similar poses, but their facial features are completely different. Kara has big round eyes, a fat nose, and she looks kind of like a dude.

[TimT]

On what issue is the new artist to appear?

[Kage Kisaragi]

I think someone is being a little too literal...

I think people arent being literal enough. By most peoples point of view then Superman is Jesus Christ, but he isn't. Yet people are making these kinds of comparisons based on nothing really concrete. Normal teens are lanky and skinny, Supergirl is drawn skinny. Now all of a sudden people call her anorexic. If I wanted to be mean I'd tell you where that stems from but im not.

[Violently Apathetic]

I think people arent being literal enough. By most peoples point of view then Superman is Jesus Christ, but he isn't. Yet people are making these kinds of comparisons based on nothing really concrete. Normal teens are lanky and skinny, Supergirl is drawn skinny. Now all of a sudden people call her anorexic. If I wanted to be mean I'd tell you where that stems from but im not.

The average teenage girl is not built like Supergirl, as someone who spent A LOT of time in the girls' locker room in High School I can honestly attest to that. Argue she's an idealized teenage girl if you want, but making a blanket statement that implies all teenagers are one way is disingenuous.

I'd have no problem with her being skinny if she looked FIT. As she was she just looked unhealthy.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I'm pretty sure that post said NORMAL, and please don't pull that "there isn't a normal body type." cause there is and its the type that isnt 20-40lbs over weight or more. Kara wasn't drawn unhealthy, she was drawn healthy for a person with her abilities who engages in regular exercise and who has a superhuman physiology, what those new drawnings show is DC trying to humanize a fictional character who by no means should conform to human views on appearance.

I mean even if you look at Superhero comicbooks throughout the ages, unless a character was meant to be fat or chubby they were drawn with what is called "tappered waist". Yes she was drawn with a flat stomach, not because she was trying to tell other young girls that they should try to look like this, but because shes a Superhero who has super strength and a superbody which means it looks and does things that normal peoples bodies can't do. I mean look at Superman, the guy is freaking huge, he had moderate Super Strength so that doing farm work was never more work than us lifting a chair or something so you can't say he got buffed doing that. Yet again the man is freaking dizzle is he protraying a unhealth body type to all the guys, we are less than men because we don't look like Superman, perhapes we should all take stereroids and suffer roid rage just to make sure we get super deep 6 pack abs, the no neck muscles biceps bigger than our heads.

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm pretty sure that post said NORMAL, and please don't pull that "there isn't a normal body type." cause there is and its the type that isnt 20-40lbs over weight or more.

I could agree that there's a normal body type.

And it's the type that isn't 20-40lbs underweight or more either.


SEAN

[Violently Apathetic]

I'm pretty sure that post said NORMAL, and please don't pull that "there isn't a normal body type." cause there is and its the type that isnt 20-40lbs over weight or more. Kara wasn't drawn unhealthy, she was drawn healthy for a person with her abilities who engages in regular exercise and who has a superhuman physiology, what those new drawnings show is DC trying to humanize a fictional character who by no means should conform to human views on appearance.

Wait, you say she's normal and then later claim she doesn't have to adhere to normal human standards because she is 'superhuman'. If that's the case then why compare her to 'normal' teenagers at all? Plus you claim her superhuman/kryptonian physiology is a factor in her appearance, but do we even know what's considered normal for a female Kryptonian? She didn't look like a 'normal' teenager, and frankly you'd do much better if you'd stick to the argument that she's 'superhuman' and idealized rather than continue to claim she's 'normal.'

I checked the DC Database and (if their information is accurate) she is apparently SUPPOSED to be 5'5 and 135lbs, which is perfectly respectable and normal (according to weight charts), problem is she really doesn’t look like she weighs 135lbs...at all.

[Harding Prime]

I checked the DC Database and (if their information is accurate) she is apparently SUPPOSED to be 5'5 and 135lbs, which is perfectly respectable and normal (according to weight charts), problem is she really doesn’t look like she weighs 135lbs...at all.

Well, muscle does way more then fat, and she is all muscle.:D

[TimT]

Not to be repetitive, but does anyone know what issue the new look starts with?

[Typo Lad]

#20.

I await with baited breath.

Note to self, buy Scope...

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Sad thing is....If Kara had bigger boobs all of you "she's too skinny" people...wouldn't be making the arguments that you are.

There's NO difference in Kara's body type than any other super female in comics (EXCEPT that she has real breasts)

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Sad thing is....If Kara had bigger boobs all of you "she's too skinny" people...wouldn't be making the arguments that you are.

There's NO difference in Kara's body type than any other super female in comics (EXCEPT that she has real breasts)

No, if she had bigger breast, we blame either Turner, or call it Liefield-ish.

And try not make generalizations, especially ones that don't make sense. I really don't see how your statement was going to change any minds, how it was even relevant, seeing how there are plenty of other superheroines that don't have breast the size of per se PG and Starfire (WG, Batgirl, and Kitty Pryde), or if you were just flame-baiting or not.

[karasu]

Sad thing is....If Kara had bigger boobs all of you "she's too skinny" people...wouldn't be making the arguments that you are.

There's NO difference in Kara's body type than any other super female in comics (EXCEPT that she has real breasts)

That's just wrong. There's a gigantic difference between Kara and a Power Girl, Black Canary or Vixen.

[BeastieRunner]

Not to be repetitive, but does anyone know what issue the new look starts with?

On the inside of Brave and the Bold #4, she looks more in line with this new look than the previous issues where she's an organless super model. That was my observation.

[Harding Prime]

No, if she had bigger breast, we blame either Turner, or call it Liefield-ish.

Actually, more people are calling it Cho-ish now, with the triple F's coming out of the Mighty Avengers.

[Jack Zodiac]

Except that Frank Cho at least knows how to draw a woman's body proportionately, even if he gives them huge breasts, while Liefeld's woman look like they'd snap in half if they were real and Turner's ladies have their boobs slowly crawling down their torsos.

[Harding Prime]

I love Turner, Lee & Churchill, and they were all the ones that made the Kara that we have had for the past few years, and I like the change from every girl in this Kara, and hate the way they appear to be going.

[Harding Prime]

Wow. DC plans on portraying Supergirl (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315) with an almost realistic bodytype!

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed4.jpg

I want Tony Bedard's puppies now.

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7937_400x600.jpg

This is the cover for 21, so it seems they are not steering to far away.:rolleyes:

[drupgyu]

The Brave and the Bold #2 showed me at least how I think she should be written, as for how she needs to be drawn, I dunno... That was easily one of the most entertaining issues I've read of her.

I think its really tough writing for female characters. Do you play up the sexual angle? Do you write the story like you would any male character?

I think at least this change reflects a desire to try to write a female hero without playing up the sexuality and maybe increasing the awkwardness that being a teenager can sometimes feel like. There is a lot of potential for the character (same with Power Girl) but I think most writers just don't know how to balance the femininity of the character, the powers of the charater and the probably mostly male readership, to make a readable book.

I think if you make her a female Peter Parker circa 1960s, that would be intersting. I mean, she about as powerful as Superman, can you imagine what high school would be like? It could be written like 'My Super Ex-girlfriend' should have been written.

[karasu]

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7937_400x600.jpg

This is the cover for 21, so it seems they are not steering to far away.:rolleyes:



Kill it!!!

[Typo Lad]

That... skirt... GHA!

[3D Master]

Ugh, that ends any and all interest in Supergirl I had, until they give her a good look.

The old new Supergirl look bad, bad at least you can look at her.

The new new Supergirl looks... well, like a really stone pillar.

The average girl in my neck of the woods, makes this new supergirl look ugly as all hell.

[We R. Venom]

That... skirt... GHA!

She looks like a Got damn Stripper. UGH!

[Wally_West]

Also those up coming pics make it look like Kara doesnt workout at (That includes fighting supervillains and flying around, firing heat vision and using other superpowers which I would assume burn some calories.) all but rather hangs out in a supergirl costume and plays ps3/wii.

ROFL.

I think the new pictures aren't that bad. I mean, theres a time and place for Michael Turner's supergirl, and Alex Ross's; but this concept isn't bad. I don't know if I'd still be willing to do jail time for her though. ;)

[Dagger]

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7937_400x600.jpg

This is the cover for 21, so it seems they are not steering to far away.:rolleyes:
That's kinda gross looking. Who would find a female who looked like that attractive?:confused:

I much prefer the new look that they have coming out. Very Cho/Dobson inspired, with a tad bit more realism.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I dont like how low her skirt is in that....even now Kara's skirt is a bit higher and not so close to her fanny

[Harding Prime]

I think you guys are missing the fact that this is the cover for SG 21, which already has the new creative team working on it.

[Machinedude]

WHAT!?!

No more thong?
No more skin tight, form fitting costume?
No more Porn Star proportions on an underage girl?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo.............

[Jack Zodiac]

I think you guys are missing the fact that this is the cover for SG 21, which already has the new creative team working on it.

The cover's by Bernard Chang, not Renato Guedes.

[Harding Prime]

I know its not by the same artist, but what I'm saying is that they aren't totally leaving behind the original Kara in some kind of collective push to tone her down. It would seem DC still wants readers to know with this cover, she still has the flashy side about her.

[Jack Zodiac]

There's nothing flashy about that hideous cover, unless "flashy" is code for "you can almost see her vagina."

[Harding Prime]

That is what I was going for...yes...low rise skirt shot. (Finger to nose)