need help picking out a guitar

[wingsofdamnation]

Hey there, i have made it my new years wish to finally learn guitar. i am an absolute total metal head and as much as i love metal i must admit that i have next to no information on how to play guitar or even how to chose what guitar i should buy. my favorite band is devildriver and my goal is to be able to play at least one of their songs by year end. its been five monthes and i havnt had any luck in getting started on my goal.
that said i was hoping that someone can help me out in some sort of guideline on how to pick out my first guitar. i would be primarily playing metal so i would think an electric guitar but there are so many types and shapes and i have no idea if one shape is better or if it even makes a difference what shape its in. any posts will be appriciated. thanks

[Spike-X]

That shape of a solidbody electric guitar doesn't have a big effect on its sound, but it can affect how comfortable it feels to play. My advice would be to try as many different guitars as you can within your price range.

And don't get one with an upside-down headstock (tuning pegs on the bottom instead of on top). They're a prick to tune.

[Adam C]

That shape of a solidbody electric guitar doesn't have a big effect on its sound, but it can affect how comfortable it feels to play. My advice would be to try as many different guitars as you can within your price range.

Ah, so now I know for certain.

With that said Wings, the guitar's wood (and its weight) affect how long the strings vibrate and how long the sound sustains without assitance like feedback. I don't know what guitars Devildriver use, but since you're going for metal you may want to look at guitars with Humbucking Pickups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbucking_pickup). Humbuckers are traditionally preferred by hard rock and metal bands because they deliver a thicker sound than single coil pickups. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_coil)

Otherwise, as Spike says, you should go to the guitar store and try some models out, even ask the salespeople.

[wingsofdamnation]

That shape of a solidbody electric guitar doesn't have a big effect on its sound, but it can affect how comfortable it feels to play. My advice would be to try as many different guitars as you can within your price range.

And don't get one with an upside-down headstock (tuning pegs on the bottom instead of on top). They're a prick to tune.

Ah, so now I know for certain.

With that said Wings, the guitar's wood (and its weight) affect how long the strings vibrate and how long the sound sustains without assitance like feedback. I don't know what guitars Devildriver use, but since you're going for metal you may want to look at guitars with Humbucking Pickups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbucking_pickup). Humbuckers are traditionally preferred by hard rock and metal bands because they deliver a thicker sound than single coil pickups. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_coil)

Otherwise, as Spike says, you should go to the guitar store and try some models out, even ask the salespeople.

many thanks will definitly look into your advise

[Infra-Man]

Definitely try out a couple different guitars at the store and look at less expensive guitars and a small practice amps for starters. While a Fender Squire or an Epiphone Gibson-copy are good and versatile for starting out, I'd imagine for a good metal guitar you'll want to check out stuff from Ibanez and/or Jackson.

[ghostrider666]

All good advice. Go pick the things up. See what feels comfortable to you. Dont go crazy & spend a lot of $$ on your 1st guitar. Just in case it dosent stick. My faves (& what I have) are B.C. Richs. Many people arent comfortable playing them though due to all the pointy ends. Your physical size will also come into play on the decision.
Have fun!

[Punchy]

I'm thinking Ibanez is a good place to start looking. They make some more affordable guitars good for starting out.

Keep in mind that you'll be wanting to use distortion if you want to play metal songs. So you'll need either an amp with distortion built in to it or a distortion pedal.

[Patriot07]

I'm in love with my Fender Stratocaster, but I doubt it would be very good for metal. But it's also one of the more versitile guitars out there. If you know how to work it, you can play just about anything on a strat. I'm probably going to get a Tele for my next guitar or maybe an Epiphone. Something I can get a good country blues sound on.

[mattx110]

I'm thinking Ibanez is a good place to start looking. They make some more affordable guitars good for starting out.

Keep in mind that you'll be wanting to use distortion if you want to play metal songs. So you'll need either an amp with distortion built in to it or a distortion pedal.

i second the ibanez. i prefer teles and you can get a cheap squire one that's durable as all hell.

but my friend got a used ibanez for very low money . and it's great. the neck pickup has a thing where it sounds like an old analog recording fading out in the upper range. but well... 90% of what you do for a metal band is on the bridge pickup, and through a distortion.
plus, ibanezes look more "metally"
all the things i hate about em are what you'd probably like.
and really... not many people who sell guitars in stores are out to help you. they pretty much want your money and don't care about you. try to talk to someone who's not too young, but doesn't seem bitter to be working at the store.

[wingsofdamnation]

wow alot of what you've suggested was likea foreign language. like i said i know practically no guitar terms so i'm not sure if you were listing off brand names or models. thanks for the replies btw

[wingsofdamnation]

alot of people are suggesting i start with an ibanez (googled the name and turned out to be a brand name) so i think thats where i'll start. checked out the home page and turns out mick thompson of slipknot has an ibanez and they have his model there. fun fact

[Fish Sauce]

alot of people are suggesting i start with an ibanez (googled the name and turned out to be a brand name) so i think thats where i'll start. checked out the home page and turns out mick thompson of slipknot has an ibanez and they have his model there. fun fact


Yep, for metal an Ibanez would probably be a good bet. I prefer classic rock etc. and so I have a Gibson Les Paul.

Usually guitars used for metal have lower action (this is the distance between the strings and the actual neck of the guitar) so that it is easier to play faster. You may also want to check that you can put a whammy bar on as this is used a bit, too. If you aren't sure what that is, have a quick look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whammy_bar).

[parrish]

Ibanez is a great metal guitar, but if it is your first guitar I would suggest getting one without a floyd rose tremolo system. They are a pain to change the strings on.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

That shape of a solidbody electric guitar doesn't have a big effect on its sound, but it can affect how comfortable it feels to play. .
what he said...i generally use the same beat up strat i had since i was 6

[hoffmandu]

Air Guitar, dude, accept no substitute.

[mattx110]

awwww i can tell what a guitar is shaped like by the sound.

well, hmm... might be hearing the pickup configuration and type of pickups which just gives away the shape... i need to do a study!

[Punchy]

Ibanez is a great metal guitar, but if it is your first guitar I would suggest getting one without a floyd rose tremolo system. They are a pain to change the strings on.

no doubt, who uses those anymore anyway?

[parrish]

no doubt, who uses those anymore anyway?

I still see versions of them in shops. I can't believe anyone who bought one would ever buy another. I hated the one I had.

[Spike-X]

I used to have a guitar with a Schaller Floyd Rose-style tremelo system.

Pros: it hardly ever went out of tune. You could literally pick it up by the whammy bar and shake it and it would stay in tune.

Cons: Once you broke a string, you couldn't just keep playing - the way it was set up meant that breaking one string would increase the tension on the other five, making them almost a semi-tone sharp. And changing strings wass a lot harder to do on the fly (ie in the middle of a live set) than with a standard style bridge.

[the goddamn batman]

awwww i can tell what a guitar is shaped like by the sound.

well, hmm... might be hearing the pickup configuration and type of pickups which just gives away the shape... i need to do a study!


I can tell what type of guitar it is. I.E. solid body, hollow body, semi hollow body, and several variations of acustic, but I couldn't say that it's a pointy BC Rich or a regular strat shape based on tone... though, most guitars with a specific shape, also have a specific tone... oh, nevermind.

That said, get a Jackson or an Ibanez. I don't play metal, but I'd probably get a Jackson if I was getting a metal guitar.

I still want a Jaguar.:D

[Kara Zor El]

get one with a spring loaded tremelo arm. So you can bend those strings to hell and back.

[parrish]

I still want a Jaguar.:D

When I was in high school I bought a '64 mustang (original, not reissue) for $300 bucks at a pawn shop...now I wished I had kept it.

[mattx110]

I can tell what type of guitar it is. I.E. solid body, hollow body, semi hollow body, and several variations of acustic, but I couldn't say that it's a pointy BC Rich or a regular strat shape based on tone... though, most guitars with a specific shape, also have a specific tone... oh, nevermind.

That said, get a Jackson or an Ibanez. I don't play metal, but I'd probably get a Jackson if I was getting a metal guitar.

I still want a Jaguar.:D

oh, you can tell a strat from something else... i don't think i could identify Bc rich's and jacksons and other less common brands, usually the ones played with generous amounts of un-natural distortion.
but strats are very distinct. they've got that "bounce" to them.

of course richard thompson plays his "Ferrington-caster" solid-body that's a mix between a tele and a strat, and gets the greatest hollowbody gretsch overdriven sound. but that's just a freak occurrence.

i can't name all the guitars i want, well, i could be it'd have to be in another thread.

[Spike-X]

I can tell what type of guitar it is. I.E. solid body, hollow body, semi hollow body, and several variations of acoustic...


Yeah? Well, I can tell what brand and gauge of strings are on the guitar, how long the lead is from the guitar to the amp, and which factory in Russia made the amp tubes! So there!

























I can't really.

[mattx110]

Yeah? Well, I can tell what brand and gauge of strings are on the guitar, how long the lead is from the guitar to the amp, and which factory in Russia made the amp tubes! So there!

I can't really.

i can believe the strings if you spent a few weeks trapped alone with 10 brands of strings, but the lead line is slightly less credible because that requires a "before-and-after" type listening to tell any difference if there is one, but then i saw that you can tell which factory in "russia" made the tubes...

well, anyone with that discerning of an ear wouldn't use russian tubes.

[TheLazy]

wow alot of what you've suggested was likea foreign language. like i said i know practically no guitar terms so i'm not sure if you were listing off brand names or models. thanks for the replies btw

A pick up is the metall plate you see under the strings in the middle of the body, its converts vibrations from the strings into noise. A humbucker is essentially a twin pickup so it gives a fatter sounds. good for thinks like country or metal.

If your playing devil driver youll probably want to down tune from the standard string tuning so I wouldnt recomend a floyd rose bridge, tho I would recomend a D-tuna button, its like a switch that goes on your bridge (where the strings enter the guitar body) that makes down tuning alot easier. Other than that, you have free reign as far as looks and comfort go, go with what works. Id recommend, like the others have, stay cheap for your first guitar, spent more on the amp, because having a cool guitar and a shitty little 10 watt box will piss you off.

:)

[wingsofdamnation]

A pick up is the metall plate you see under the strings in the middle of the body, its converts vibrations from the strings into noise. A humbucker is essentially a twin pickup so it gives a fatter sounds. good for thinks like country or metal.

If your playing devil driver youll probably want to down tune from the standard string tuning so I wouldnt recomend a floyd rose bridge, tho I would recomend a D-tuna button, its like a switch that goes on your bridge (where the strings enter the guitar body) that makes down tuning alot easier. Other than that, you have free reign as far as looks and comfort go, go with what works. Id recommend, like the others have, stay cheap for your first guitar, spent more on the amp, because having a cool guitar and a shitty little 10 watt box will piss you off.

:)
thanks. what is a good sized amp? i saw some at the local music shop at 15 watts and forgot to ask someone inside about the wattage. i'm really diggin the ibanez guitars but the BC richs look freakin incredible! i fell in love with the warbeast model and when i checked out how much they run by it was like 1,300 bucks@!
right now i think im going to settle with a ibanez since its reputation sounds pretty concrete but i'm still not sure on whether or not i want a tremolo bar. part of me says i shouldnt because its my first guitar and i should keep it simple but then again i could get one and then just not use it untill i'm experianced with it

[parrish]

Yeah? Well, I can tell what brand and gauge of strings are on the guitar, how long the lead is from the guitar to the amp, and which factory in Russia made the amp tubes! So there!

I can't really.


I've heard Eric Johnson can tell the different between a 1/8" cable and 1/4"

Probably a bunch of other stuff too.

[TheLazy]

thanks. what is a good sized amp? i saw some at the local music shop at 15 watts and forgot to ask someone inside about the wattage. i'm really diggin the ibanez guitars but the BC richs look freakin incredible! i fell in love with the warbeast model and when i checked out how much they run by it was like 1,300 bucks@!
right now i think im going to settle with a ibanez since its reputation sounds pretty concrete but i'm still not sure on whether or not i want a tremolo bar. part of me says i shouldnt because its my first guitar and i should keep it simple but then again i could get one and then just not use it untill i'm experianced with it

get a 25/30 watt amp, ibanez or pevay, the other makes cost too much for what you get at that size, tho things like marshall and mesa boogie can be good when you start geting into the hundred watts range.

Trust everyone, the tremlo arm you dont need. Its for hendrix/slash type stuff. over the top blues tinged solos. devil driver is about as far from that as you can get. In fact youd probably be closer to devil driver stuff with a 7 string guitar, but don't get one of those until you've learned 6 strings. If you want to use a tremolo later on then you can pay for your guitar to be modified.

Ibanez are a good make. Mick tompson of slipknot and dave mal-cant spell his name-ik of system of a down use them. They are the bare to the bones does what it says on the tin metal guitar. If your looking for something a bit more flashy and have to have a tremolo, then a Dean razorback will give you more metal cred and bang for your buck than a BC Rich. The razorback is the guitar Dimebag Darrel used, and bands like Black Label Society, Trivium, and Arch Enemy use.

My cousin got a good starter kitt with a 25W amp and an Iceman for £200 (about $400) and it sounds fantastic. It doesn't do the Guns and Roses kind of rock, but itll do Metal effortlessly. Seriously, if you want a metal crunch, then get a good amp, oh and a distortion pedal. Any guitar with a humbucker should come close to the sound you have in mind.

:)

[mattx110]

I've heard Eric Johnson can tell the different between a 1/8" cable and 1/4"

Probably a bunch of other stuff too.

that's cause he has OCD and sat alone for hours and hours trying equipment neglecting his personal life.

he's calmed down a lot since then and keeps saying he won't spend a decade on the next album.


anyway, wings, you don't need more than a 15 watt amp, 30 is ok. but once you get your hands trained to play, then start worrying about fancier gear. except a distortion pedal. without that you're just playing rock and roll.
the built-in distortion on cheap amps is usually pretty unusable. but that might just be a personal taste thing.
and listen to jeff beck (he has some metally stuff) for alternate use of the tremolo than making cool noises.

[TheLazy]

that's cause he has OCD and sat alone for hours and hours trying equipment neglecting his personal life.

he's calmed down a lot since then and keeps saying he won't spend a decade on the next album.


anyway, wings, you don't need more than a 15 watt amp, 30 is ok. but once you get your hands trained to play, then start worrying about fancier gear. except a distortion pedal. without that you're just playing rock and roll.
the built-in distortion on cheap amps is usually pretty unusable. but that might just be a personal taste thing.
and listen to jeff beck (he has some metally stuff) for alternate use of the tremolo than making cool noises.


If hes wanting the 'tallica scoop sound then hell need an amp that has bass/mid/treble controls, they usually start at 30w.

What jeff beck albums do you recomend, the only song I've heard from him is that hallejuya

:)

[mattx110]

If hes wanting the 'tallica scoop sound then hell need an amp that has bass/mid/treble controls, they usually start at 30w.

What jeff beck albums do you recomend, the only song I've heard from him is that hallejuya

:)

oh, well i've got a 15 watt with bass/mid/treble. a fender tube thingy. i don't know how metal it is but i like it. i guess it's not as common as i thought, i tend to get spoiled by luck.
as for jeff,
the last two bootleg style live albums are a nice cross-section actually, the live at bbkings one is great. wired and blow by blow are i think the most loved, cause they began his more vocalesque guitar-playing and are a bit fusiony. but he's one of the few guitar-players that seems to always be getting better as time goes on. just, umm, watch out for his techno side. when it's spliced with an indian raga it's beautiful. but sometimes, it's not my thing.

[Spike-X]

What jeff beck albums do you recomend, the only song I've heard from him is that hallejuya



You're thinking of Jeff Buckley.

[Spike-X]

get a 25/30 watt amp, ibanez or pevay,

Yeah. A bigger amp might be tempting, but you really don't need a Marshall stack when you're in your bedroom.

[wingsofdamnation]

this distortion pedel everyone seems to suggest. how exactly does this come into play while playing? how does it affect the sound and how is it used?

[Fish Sauce]

this distortion pedel everyone seems to suggest. how exactly does this come into play while playing? how does it affect the sound and how is it used?

Pretty much any metal song you hear uses distortion. It's what makes the sound rougher as compared to, say, Day Tripper by The Beatles. Essentially it's an in between step - the cable goes from your guitar to the pedal and another one goes from the pedal to the amp. The distortion can be turned on and off by stepping on the pedal. Usually there are a few settings to play around with, too.

Different pedals often have different sounds, so if you get one you should try a few out in the store to see which one sounds best (you'll be able to tell which one suits your needs even if you can't play, I think, otherwise ask the assistant to help you out - be wary though).

[TheLazy]

You're thinking of Jeff Buckley.

oh yeah:o

this distortion pedel everyone seems to suggest. how exactly does this come into play while playing? how does it affect the sound and how is it used?

play the first 5 seconds of Nirvana Smells like teen spirit, then listen to how the guitar sound changes when the drums come in, thats the distortion pedal being turned on but the same riff being played.

:)

[wingsofdamnation]

i just got home from the music shop and finally picked out a guitar. take a look
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=ADC120
i remember seeing it online but it didnt really appeal to me. then i saw it in person... and i fell in love with it. the one in the store though had one more dial thingy towards the bottom though. everything else matches up. the guy is asking for $300 is this reasonable?


play the first 5 seconds of Nirvana Smells like teen spirit, then listen to how the guitar sound changes when the drums come in, thats the distortion pedal being turned on but the same riff being played.
:)
damn what a difference. thanks

[Infra-Man]

i just got home from the music shop and finally picked out a guitar. take a look
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=ADC120
i remember seeing it online but it didnt really appeal to me. then i saw it in person... and i fell in love with it. the one in the store though had one more dial thingy towards the bottom though. everything else matches up. the guy is asking for $300 is this reasonable?


damn what a difference. thanks

If you're all about that guitar (looks sweet, btw) and you're finished shopping around, $300 sounds like an pretty good price for a first guitar. My first guitar (an Ibanez RG270dx, which I don't think they make anymore) was around that price and it lasted me for more than 11 years before it finally pooped out. The price of your amp may come into play so look into purchasing an amp while shopping for your first guitar as well.

Dunno about pedals for metal, but I'm pretty sure you can't go wrong with a Boss Metal Zone (MT2). A lot of my friends had those when I was in high school. I liked Boss pedals a lot since they were good quality and sturdy. Never personally had a Metal Zone pedal, but did have the orange Distorition pedal (DS1), a Blues Driver, and lots of borrowed pedals growing up.

EDIT:
The additional dial is probably an additional tone control dial for one of the pick ups. This will allow you to play with the sound for the neck pick up and the bridge pick up independently, giving you a greater range of sounds.

[parrish]

Infra-Man is right about the BOSS pedals. They make great stuff. I have never heard one that I didn't like.

[Spike-X]

i just got home from the music shop and finally picked out a guitar. take a look
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=ADC120
i remember seeing it online but it didnt really appeal to me. then i saw it in person... and i fell in love with it. the one in the store though had one more dial thingy towards the bottom though. everything else matches up. the guy is asking for $300 is this reasonable?


That's a pretty good price for what looks like a fairly decent quality entry-level guitar.

[Fish Sauce]

play the first 5 seconds of Nirvana Smells like teen spirit, then listen to how the guitar sound changes when the drums come in, thats the distortion pedal being turned on but the same riff being played.
:)

And that is the kind of example I was struggling to think of. Good show.


Dunno about pedals for metal, but I'm pretty sure you can't go wrong with a Boss Metal Zone (MT2). A lot of my friends had those when I was in high school. I liked Boss pedals a lot since they were good quality and sturdy. Never personally had a Metal Zone pedal, but did have the orange Distorition pedal (DS1), a Blues Driver, and lots of borrowed pedals growing up.


That's the one I have. It's a pretty decent pedal and reasonably priced, so good for a beginner. Should help you get the kind of sound you need until you know exactly what you want (which I still don't).

[TheLazy]

i just got home from the music shop and finally picked out a guitar. take a look
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=ADC120
i remember seeing it online but it didnt really appeal to me. then i saw it in person... and i fell in love with it. the one in the store though had one more dial thingy towards the bottom though. everything else matches up. the guy is asking for $300 is this reasonable?


damn what a difference. thanks

Sounds about right to me.;) Try playing through a couple of amps a5t the shop aswell to get an idea of what amps produce the sound you want, the guy should have no problem with this. In fact he should encourage it as hell try and pedal an amp to you too.:D

And that is the kind of example I was struggling to think of. Good show.


Its all good

:)

[wingsofdamnation]

Sounds about right to me.;) Try playing through a couple of amps a5t the shop aswell to get an idea of what amps produce the sound you want, the guy should have no problem with this. In fact he should encourage it as hell try and pedal an amp to you too.:D



Its all good

:)
yeah he did ask me if i wanted to plug into an amp and try it out. i was a little pressed on time and turned him down. next time i go i'll try it out.

[Punchy]

$300 sounds good to me, what's the amp situation?

[wingsofdamnation]

he said that the amps that were 15 amps ran about $115. i'm going to but the guitar first and then get the amp a bit later during the summer. i plan on taking guitar classes at my community college because not only will i learn guitar but i will also knock out my general education elective at the same time. its a $350 class that meets once a week for 3 hours. so 14 week course, with 3 hour sessions seems to be pretty kickass considering the places near me that offer lessons want about 50-100 bucks an hour

[Spike-X]

...the places near me that offer lessons want about 50-100 bucks an hour

*choke*

Bloody hell. I used to charge ten bucks for half an hour.

Of course, I'm not a very good teacher.

[Punchy]

he said that the amps that were 15 amps ran about $115. i'm going to but the guitar first and then get the amp a bit later during the summer. i plan on taking guitar classes at my community college because not only will i learn guitar but i will also knock out my general education elective at the same time. its a $350 class that meets once a week for 3 hours. so 14 week course, with 3 hour sessions seems to be pretty kickass considering the places near me that offer lessons want about 50-100 bucks an hour

You better check with the college about what type of guitar you should have. When I was getting my music degrees the non-major guitar classes were all for acoustics.

[wingsofdamnation]

i allready did. they teach both electric and acousic. you just need to supply your own guitar and amp

[TheLazy]

*choke*

Bloody hell. I used to charge ten bucks for half an hour.

Of course, I'm not a very good teacher.

I know this guy that redefines badassness on a drumkit and he charges £25 quid an hour which is about $50. He's only 17 aswell. Hes meant to have the hight RGT Grade in the region.

You better check with the college about what type of guitar you should have. When I was getting my music degrees the non-major guitar classes were all for acoustics.

from my experiences, alot of colleges do both nowadays even tho the electric guitar isnt considered a classical instrument it has a definitive use in most popular music. The same way that most music colleges teach sampling nowadays because of their practical implications when recording, even though it goes against classical tradition.


:)

[mattx110]

I know this guy that redefines badassness on a drumkit and he charges £25 quid an hour which is about $50. He's only 17 aswell. Hes meant to have the hight RGT Grade in the region.



from my experiences, alot of colleges do both nowadays even tho the electric guitar isnt considered a classical instrument it has a definitive use in most popular music. The same way that most music colleges teach sampling nowadays because of their practical implications when recording, even though it goes against classical tradition.


:)

mine doesn't even give a damn about jazz until grad school. it's classical or nothing. and all based on keyboard, so i'm stuck their going "but hey... 6 strings, i can play harmony..." and crying to myself cause i don't have a piano. they' don't have a problem with electric pianos, but only nylon-string guitars are allowed.

if your college has a jazz program they probably are more open to electric instruments. but one of the classical/jazz guitarists that i respect more than anyone played a 3-saddle tele through a chorus pre-amp with a healthy amount of reverb.

[GodSmackingReptile]

hey man check it out, i think that you should at least first try and find what type/shape feels most comfortable on you, cause if you go on tour and the piece is jabbing into your side the whole time, im sure that you'll smash it till no tomorrow

[Night]

On pedals... I'd get the basics down before investing in pedals. By then, You'll probably change your mind about how you want to sound anyway.

I know the "Guitar Center"s and some others will have racks of pedals you can try out in the store (though they don't always stock everything they demo) so you can get the feel of what does what. I am also happy on what BOSS offers.

[TheLazy]

mine doesn't even give a damn about jazz until grad school. it's classical or nothing. and all based on keyboard, so i'm stuck their going "but hey... 6 strings, i can play harmony..." and crying to myself cause i don't have a piano. they' don't have a problem with electric pianos, but only nylon-string guitars are allowed.

if your college has a jazz program they probably are more open to electric instruments. but one of the classical/jazz guitarists that i respect more than anyone played a 3-saddle tele through a chorus pre-amp with a healthy amount of reverb.

Well itll come back to bite them in the ass being so strict. Just remember, even Miles Davis got branded as an outcast by the jazz crew (the punks of their day) for bitches brew, if it can happen to him it can happen to anyone.;)

:)

[wingsofdamnation]

does the number of humbuckers make a considerable difference? i'm looking at BC rich's SOB and it only has one humbucker where as most of their other ones have 2.
while on the metal note has anyone seen devildrivers record breaking circle pit? it is over a footballs length. do a search on youtube for devildriver download 2007 and you can see it for yourself. it is insane!

[Spike-X]

More pickups mean a greater range of sound. The bridge pickup sounds a lot treble-ier, while the neck pickup has a fuller, more bass-y sound. A middle pickup, on a guitar that has one, will of course sound somewhere in between. Most two-pickup guitars come with a three-position switch, so you can choose either bridge, neck, or both pickups. Choosing both can give you an incredible amount of control over your sound, especially if each pickup has its own volume and tone control (such as the Gibson Les Paul).

[Spike-X]

The Fender Stratocaster originally came with a three-position switch, one for each pickup. They changed it to a five-position switch after many guitarists requested one, after discovering the unique sound that was created when they jammed the switch between the bridge and middle pickups.

[wingsofdamnation]

so should i be leaning towards getting a guitar with two or three humbuckers or is it not that big a deal if it only has one?

[Spike-X]

Two would be better.

Not many guitars come with three, and you wouldn't really need a third for the kind of music you want to play.

[TheLazy]

The Fender Stratocaster originally came with a three-position switch, one for each pickup. They changed it to a five-position switch after many guitarists requested one, after discovering the unique sound that was created when they jammed the switch between the bridge and middle pickups.

Some strats have a 6th position between the bridge and the bridge/middle pick where you can balance and get a out of faze sound, kinda like a chorus and delay. its hard to get it to balance though, but it does work.

:)

[mattx110]

so should i be leaning towards getting a guitar with two or three humbuckers or is it not that big a deal if it only has one?
to get an abrasive sound, the bridge being a humbucker is more important. having a weaker output pickup in the neck position lets you move up the fretboard to the higher notes without deafening yourself and others.

[Patriot07]

What other types of music will you be playing? Because if it's anything terribly different from Metal, I'd reccommend a Fender Strat. In my experience they're the most versitile guitar out there. If you decide to look into the strat, I'd suggest getting the HSS format so you can have the humbucker, but you can also play around with the single coils. Lots of different sounds can come out of this one little instrument. It's also a very comfortable guitar and it's not to heavy so I don't get tired while playing it with the strap. I'd at least try one to see if you like the feel.

Also, you can look at this website for reviews:

www.musicianfriend.com

[wingsofdamnation]

mainly hard rock/metal. i'm not a big fan of softer rock but i am also really into industrial type music like nine inch nails and such

[Patriot07]

I don't know. I'd at least play a couple strats to get the feel. You really can't beat them in terms of playability and versitility.

[Spike-X]

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[P-Man]

What other types of music will you be playing? Because if it's anything terribly different from Metal, I'd reccommend a Fender Strat. In my experience they're the most versitile guitar out there. If you decide to look into the strat, I'd suggest getting the HSS format so you can have the humbucker, but you can also play around with the single coils. Lots of different sounds can come out of this one little instrument. It's also a very comfortable guitar and it's not to heavy so I don't get tired while playing it with the strap. I'd at least try one to see if you like the feel.

Also, you can look at this website for reviews:

www.musicianfriend.com


I like my strat, and it's a good guitar for metal too. Sure, some guys insist on a set neck mahogany guitar, but no one really notices the difference in sound anyways. You don't have to get a standard humbucker either, the "noiseless single coils" have a pretty cool tone when you jack up the gain. They have Mexican Strats with noiseless pups for around $400, maybe $450.

I have a hispanic Strat, and I recently ripped out the stock pick ups and am replacing them with EMGs. So far I've got an 81 in the bridge, and I'll get SA's for the bridge and neck when I've saved up some cash. The 81 is giving me a pretty baddass metal tone, but alas, it takes some trickery on the amp to get the clean tone I like. Ideally I'd own three guitars. My EMG metal strat, a classic strat with traditional single coils, and an SG or something with that dark SG tone. I might like something with a floyd rose too, but I figure if I can get those three guitars I can have all the tones I could ever want.

[TheLazy]

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Since there's already three guitar threads open I'm not going to start a new one, so I'll post my question here. I've just read a review for theMetal Muff (http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?f=%2FCatalog%2F01_New_Products%2F05_Me tal_Muff&q=f) in a magazine, but most magazines are full of shit. I'm interested in it, but has anone treid it yet?

:)

[parrish]

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WOW. That's a nice looking guitar. Personally I like to play 'em before I buy them though.

I think we need a thread for talking about guitars.

[Spike-X]

I think we need a thread for talking about guitars.

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