Supergirl

[Young Avenger]

I just read DC's August solicitations and Tony will be writing Supergirl #20. I just wanted to know if your going to be the series new regular writer or if the issue just a fill-in.

[Tony Bedard]

I'm currently signed on for 3 issues. I'm not sure what their plans are beyond that. I just finished posting on the LEGION string that these limited stints are fairly common. Sometimes they buy you time before the new regular writer comes on (as with my 3 issues of BIRDS OF PREY that will lead into the Sean McKeever run). Often, it's a de facto try-out, as with Geoff Johns's 4 or 6 issues on FLASH that turned into a whole career! In other words, I'm on for 3, and then we'll see... :)

[Young Avenger]

Thanks for answering Tony. So just 3 issues, huh? I look foward to reading them.

[Question_Authority]

I hope you get the permanent Supergirl gig, Tony. God knows she needs stability in her own title. If you do get the spot, could you give her some regular villians to beat up and maybe a suporting cast too, while yer at it?

[MatthewDiCarlo]

Well actually, I'd argue that the supporting cast was Kelly's strongest element in Supergirl, especially how he used Boomerang.

Of course, Tony, if you bring Linda Danvers in to be her mentor(or give any indication that she exists on New Earth at all), I swear to buy a copy of your issues for every comic reading person I know. She's way too good a character to just falter in limbo forever.

[MatthewDiCarlo]

Ah, interview with Tony on this on the Pulse.

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315

And while it might be a strength in the high concept sort of way not to have read it as you examine Kara right now, I'd suggest you read Supergirl v3 1-50 at some point, not necessarily as a creator, but just as a comic fan.

I've read almost everything mainstream DC's produced over the last twenty years at one point or another and I think the first 50 issues of Peter David's Supergirl run might be one of the best three or four runs by a creator on a comic that the company produced.

I couldn't recommend many runs higher than those first 50 issues.

It's a great example of how you can do an ongoing story over 50 issues but still have smaller arcs in the midst of it, and what it might lose in "high-concept," it makes up for in depth, characterization, and even spirituality.

[Question_Authority]

The new artist conception for a "realistic" Supergirl looks amazing. Its so refreshing to see Supergirl in a costume that conforms to what a girl her age might wear as a uniform. The creases and body proportions actually appear like they might exist instead of being painted on her skinny frame. Love this artists rendition of her stance; makes her look like a living being. I look forward to what you and Renato Guedes have in store for us.

[diana_fan]

Mr. Bedard,

I was troubled by your interview at Comic-Con, to be honest. I felt it disrespected both the fans of the current series and the creators who came before you.

I don't mean that you said anything wrong, or that you attacked anyone. But it definitely came off as "wrong" to me.

I'm sorry to be the out-of-tune-string here. I know that I really respect people who are creators. But I was very troubled by some of your comments.

Can you please clarify?

If I'm off base, I apologize.

[Justin Davis]

Mr. Bedard,

I was troubled by your interview at Comic-Con, to be honest. I felt it disrespected both the fans of the current series and the creators who came before you.

I don't mean that you said anything wrong, or that you attacked anyone. But it definitely came off as "wrong" to me.

I'm sorry to be the out-of-tune-string here. I know that I really respect people who are creators. But I was very troubled by some of your comments.

Can you please clarify?

If I'm off base, I apologize.

It might help if he knows which comments you're talking about. I couldn't spot anything that seemed disrespectful or even rude to fans of the current series or creators who came before Bedard's upcoming stint on the book.

[Dedagda]

Mr. Bedard,

I was troubled by your interview at Comic-Con, to be honest. I felt it disrespected both the fans of the current series and the creators who came before you.

I don't mean that you said anything wrong, or that you attacked anyone. But it definitely came off as "wrong" to me.

I'm sorry to be the out-of-tune-string here. I know that I really respect people who are creators. But I was very troubled by some of your comments.

Can you please clarify?

If I'm off base, I apologize.

I'm encourage by the interview. Not to pick a fight with the current team, but Supergirl this time around has felt like the male fetish of a 16-year-old girl.

The Renato Guedes realistic art combined with Bedard's sense of the character makes me hopeful that I can give this to ....*gasp* an actual female comic reader.

I don't want a perfect "super" heroine. I want a flawed teenager.

[Tony Bedard]

Would love to know which statements sounded disrespectful, and I don't mind at all that you let me know you feel this way. We can discuss it here, though!

[tony]

Hi Tony!

I'd like to start off by thanking you for all those great Negation stories.

As for Supergirl I hope you Keep the spirit of the current version, as I think it works for the times. I read a bunch of people on various message boards saying they want a more SA version. I think it would be a mistake.

Their was a time when batman was on the verge of cacellation, becouse the stories were so watered down and lame(thanks comics code). They let Batman go back to his roots and look what happened. Try it with Superman and you'll be shot despite the fact it would no doubt be a better book. When writers try to do this with Superman despite good sales i see internet backlash. The absolute worst is when writers call him the big blue boyscout. It really dose make me sad. He was never supposed to be a Boyscout.

I long ago gave up hope for a more realistic Superman. For that you have things like hero alliance, or mr majestic, or even Supreem power or Invincibles dad(invincible being how i read superboy every month). The first archives are great too.

But Supergirl dosen't have to be some lame rehash of stories written 30 - 40 years ago. I think the new version from superman/batman is a breath of fresh air. I've seen Jeff lobe mark waid and joe kelly all give her some pretty cool moments. I have no doubt if you want to you could do the same.

So please dont ignore the past few years. and i look forward to your legion of superheroes.

[Tony Bedard]

It's not that I want to ignore any stories. I just try and do whatever i think is appropriate for a given character. Stories like Supreme Power, which really is going the same ground covered in Alan Moore's Miracleman, or the whole thing with Invincible's father -- those stories only work because they subvert the Superman icon. But if Superman wasn't there to represent consistent unshakable goodness, then these other darker versions wouldn't have the impact they have. The funny thing is that it's harder to write a good story about the big blue boyscout, but that doesn't mean that the old-school Superman is a bad character. Have you been reading All-Star Superman? There's a great example of how all the things that made Superman great can still be valid and yield amazing stories.

But back to Supergirl. My feeling is that this character can have feet of clay and be conflicted and tempted by the darker side of life, but she is essentially good and decent. Moreover, she wants to be good -- which sound deceptively simple. But that decision to make something good of your life is hugely important.

I always think of that movie, Raising Arizona. I've seen it 20 or 30 times, it never gets old. At the end, when H.I. dreams of his future with Edwina, and sees them putting together a family of their own, he says, "me and Ed, we can be good." It's a simple sentiment, but it has deep power, especially the older and more cynical you get. For such an apparently silly movie, it always gets to me.

Anyhow, I think Supergirl has been lost and manipulated and screws up so much, that she should get her act together a little. And she's fifteen. I don't like seeing her tarted up, hypersexualized or whatever. She's a good girl.

[Lester C.]

It's not that I want to ignore any stories. I just try and do whatever i think is appropriate for a given character. Stories like Supreme Power, which really is going the same ground covered in Alan Moore's Miracleman, or the whole thing with Invincible's father -- those stories only work because they subvert the Superman icon. But if Superman wasn't there to represent consistent unshakable goodness, then these other darker versions wouldn't have the impact they have. The funny thing is that it's harder to write a good story about the big blue boyscout, but that doesn't mean that the old-school Superman is a bad character. Have you been reading All-Star Superman? There's a great example of how all the things that made Superman great can still be valid and yield amazing stories.

But back to Supergirl. My feeling is that this character can have feet of clay and be conflicted and tempted by the darker side of life, but she is essentially good and decent. Moreover, she wants to be good -- which sound deceptively simple. But that decision to make something good of your life is hugely important.

I always think of that movie, Raising Arizona. I've seen it 20 or 30 times, it never gets old. At the end, when H.I. dreams of his future with Edwina, and sees them putting together a family of their own, he says, "me and Ed, we can be good." It's a simple sentiment, but it has deep power, especially the older and more cynical you get. For such an apparently silly movie, it always gets to me.

Anyhow, I think Supergirl has been lost and manipulated and screws up so much, that she should get her act together a little. And she's fifteen. I don't like seeing her tarted up, hypersexualized or whatever. She's a good girl.

Tony I agree with you one hundred percent. As always I think you are dead on when it comes to the way you write your characters. Whenever I buy you books I just read the diolouge panels over and over again because the way you have your characters act toward one and other really hooks me. Always has.

All that said, and with the greatest repect, I don't think you realize that a disturbing large percentage of comic buyers are going to be upset that you've altered the staus quo. I think the reason why the book did so well was because of the fact that the character had been tarted up and hypersxualized which makes me sick but if you look at the past covers and art it becomes pretty obvious. I think some people are going to be very upset and vocal with you in the near future, and that already pisses me off even though it hasn't happened it.

[diana_fan]

Would love to know which statements sounded disrespectful, and I don't mind at all that you let me know you feel this way. We can discuss it here, though!

You know, I've calmed down a lot since that night. :)

I guess it was all too much too handle at the same time. I had just dealt with Churchill leaving, now Kelly is going to be gone. I didn't like the Guedes sketches at all (though I like his work, generally; just not for Kara).

I think this: "Now, if I was 17 and ruled by hormones, the zero-bodyfat, nearly-naked Supergirl would probably be my fave," rubbed me the wrong way. Especially since basically the whole book as I had come to know it was disappearing. So, I was already in such a great mood.

Like I said though, I've come to calm down a lot. I realize that not everything is as bad as I read it immediately.

I can't say that I'm excited by the prospect of what sounds like a real wrenching change, both from a writing and art standpoint. But, I will probably try and give it a chance, since I love the character.

Anyhow, I apologize. I was pretty intense those first few nights after reading the interview and seeing the sketches. Like I said, I hope you understand, and I wish you luck on the title.

[Killer Frost]

Anyhow, I think Supergirl has been lost and manipulated and screws up so much, that she should get her act together a little. And she's fifteen. I don't like seeing her tarted up, hypersexualized or whatever. She's a good girl.
You convinced me to put 'Supergirl' back on my pull list. I had to drop the book months ago because it was getting too painful to read but I'll give another chance starting with your issues. Thanks for caring about Kara.

[Justin Davis]

I'm going to pick Supergirl up for the first time because you and Guedes are doing it. Actually, I did buy one issue, but that was mainly because of Amanda Conner's awesomely fun art.

Stories like Supreme Power, which really is going the same ground covered in Alan Moore's Miracleman, or the whole thing with Invincible's father -- those stories only work because they subvert the Superman icon. But if Superman wasn't there to represent consistent unshakable goodness, then these other darker versions wouldn't have the impact they have.

That's such a simple concept, and it's one I think many people don't get. Very well put.

But back to Supergirl. My feeling is that this character can have feet of clay and be conflicted and tempted by the darker side of life, but she is essentially good and decent. Moreover, she wants to be good -- which sound deceptively simple. But that decision to make something good of your life is hugely important.

I always think of that movie, Raising Arizona. I've seen it 20 or 30 times, it never gets old. At the end, when H.I. dreams of his future with Edwina, and sees them putting together a family of their own, he says, "me and Ed, we can be good." It's a simple sentiment, but it has deep power, especially the older and more cynical you get. For such an apparently silly movie, it always gets to me.

The simple desire of "I want to be good" can be a powerful one, especially if someone is trying to define exactly what that means and confronted with different viewpoints about the subject on a regular basis.

Anyhow, I think Supergirl has been lost and manipulated and screws up so much, that she should get her act together a little. And she's fifteen. I don't like seeing her tarted up, hypersexualized or whatever. She's a good girl.

I have no problem with Supergirl realizing she needs to change her life around and acting on it. Giving a character an epiphany is valid because it happens to real people all the time. Until you just said it, I never knew she was 15. I always assumed she was 17.

[diana_fan]

I'm going to pick Supergirl up for the first time because you and Guedes are doing it. Actually, I did buy one issue, but that was mainly because of Amanda Conner's awesomely fun art.

#12 was my personal least favorite of the run. Nothing to do with any of the three principal creators, either. It just seemed ... disjointed. Still had some fun, though.

The simple desire of "I want to be good" can be a powerful one, especially if someone is trying to define exactly what that means and confronted with different viewpoints about the subject on a regular basis.

But Kara has been faced with that since her inception. She has struggled with what it means to be Supergirl, what it means to be Kara Zor-El, what it means to be the Last Daughter of Krypton, what it means to be Superman's cousin.

And, most importantly, what it means to be this incredibly powerful young woman on Earth, with her particular history and problems.

I have no problem with Supergirl realizing she needs to change her life around and acting on it. Giving a character an epiphany is valid because it happens to real people all the time. Until you just said it, I never knew she was 15. I always assumed she was 17.

Hmm. I'm not sure where the 15 comes from.

When Stargirl ask her her age in SG #1, Kara responds that she can't really say. She was in her pod for about 30-40 years. But, considering the suspended animation, she figures she is about 15-16 Earth years (even though she was about that age when she left Krypton).

That was previous to IC. So, all of those issues passed, through #5, then IC happened. #6 was "One Year and One Month Later" in order to allow for her presence in "Up, Up, and Away." Therefore, by the time that #6 is occurring, she is between 16 and 17.

#6 - #8 occur in Kandor, where time passes more slowly, relative to the outside ("our") world. So, by the time she emerges from Kandor, at the end of #8 she is *at least* nearly 17.

Months have passed since the end of the first OYL issues of all the books. Therefore, there is no way she could be less than 17 years old. She even claims to be 17.

So, I am, again, not sure where 15 years old comes from. Maybe it was just a typo. Or maybe it is a retcon. Or maybe, and this is unlikely (kidding :)), it is simply my misunderstanding of all the issues.

[jerrymcl89]

Kara getting somewhat involved with guys like Boomer and Powerboy who appear to be in their early twenties is retroactively pretty pervy if she's been perpetually 15. Let alone the fact that Hal Jordan had to keep reminding himself she was too young for him.

[diana_fan]

Kara getting somewhat involved with guys like Boomer and Powerboy who appear to be in their early twenties is retroactively pretty pervy if she's been perpetually 15. Let alone the fact that Hal Jordan had to keep reminding himself she was too young for him.

First, when did she "get somewhat involved" with anyone? Well, Power Boy, to some extent. But obviously NOT Nightwing or Boomer.

Second, Hal had to keep reminding himself that she is "only 17." Which brings me to my third point ...

Did you read my post? There is no way she is 15. Even Hal says she is 17. She says she is 17. And all the evidence points to her being at least 17.

Young girls develop crushes on guys older than they. It happens all the time. And she was never "somewhat involved" with Boomer. Also, I think people are hung-up on this age thing. I really do.

But that's really a whole different discussion.

[jerrymcl89]

All I meant by "somewhat involved" is that the book was treating both of those characters as romantic options for Kara, not as guys much too old for her. I totally agree with you that if Kara is now going to be 15, it would have to be regarded as a retcon.

[diana_fan]

All I meant by "somewhat involved" is that the book was treating both of those characters as romantic options for Kara, not as guys much too old for her. I totally agree with you that if Kara is now going to be 15, it would have to be regarded as a retcon.

A GIGANTIC retcon, going against what has been stated not only in her own book, but others as well. I can't see how that could happen.

As to romantic options, not really. She was never really interested in Boomer, though he was interested in her. Obviously, she had a very girlish crush on Nightwing, drawing little pictures with hearts around them (:)), but doesn't every DC female love Nightwing? :)

And think about it: Kara is 17. What 17 year-old guy is out there for her to be interested in? Some acne-ridden high-school kid? She's not your average 17 year-old girl. She's Supergirl, Last Daughter of Krypton, one of the most powerful people in the whole GALAXY! The Maid of Might. The Girl of Steel!

Superman and Lois work for four big reasons:

1) Lois is an adult, and a talented professional.
2) Lois is so tough and strong and sure of herself, that she is practically like a super-heroine in her own right.
3) She's a woman of the world, who shares a profession with Clark.
4) Lois is mature and intelligent and wise enough that she can handle Superman. She doesn't take any crap, just because he is Kal-El, Last Son of Krypton.

Now, there's no one, not a "normal" 17 year-old kid out there for Kara that can say the same.

Kara's experiences, having lost her entire planet and everyone and everything she had ever known, the multiple traumas, the decades locked in a space pod, being kidnapped by Darkseid, travelling to other planets, fighting super-villains, etc.

How can she possibly relate to some kid who's biggest concern is deciding between a Wii and a PS3?

In other words, she might be chronologically 17 or so. She might even be near that age emotionally sometimes. But in terms of experience, power, responsibility, she's beyond a simple chronological age.

[Lester C.]

First, when did she "get somewhat involved" with anyone? Well, Power Boy, to some extent. But obviously NOT Nightwing or Boomer.

Second, Hal had to keep reminding himself that she is "only 17." Which brings me to my third point ...

Did you read my post? There is no way she is 15. Even Hal says she is 17. She says she is 17. And all the evidence points to her being at least 17.

Young girls develop crushes on guys older than they. It happens all the time. And she was never "somewhat involved" with Boomer. Also, I think people are hung-up on this age thing. I really do.

But that's really a whole different discussion.

Just because time passes in a storyline doesn't mean that the character's age reflects the passage of time. Otherwise characters like Time Drake would be in his twenties, Nightwing in his thirties, Batman is his fourties etc. Everyone pretty much stuck at a certain age regardless of going through One year later or No Man's land.

[diana_fan]

Just because time passes in a storyline doesn't mean that the character's age reflects the passage of time. Otherwise characters like Time Drake would be in his twenties, Nightwing in his thirties, Batman is his fourties etc. Everyone pretty much stuck at a certain age regardless of going through One year later or No Man's land.

Does comic book time equal real time? No. But that doesn't make what you are saying true, either.

Otherwise Dick Grayson would still be 13. Obviously, he isn't.

I could lay out the whole chronology of Kara's timeline since she crashed into Gotham. But what's the point? Everyone in the books is pretty much in agreement: she is, chronologically, more or less the equivalent of 17 (in human terms).

And like I said: she's a millionaire. She has no secret identity. She's not in school. She is one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy.

Does it matter if she is the equivalent of 16, 17, or 18, or 19? No. Heck, she's actually like 55-60!

[Lester C.]

Does comic book time equal real time? No. But that doesn't make what you are saying true, either.

Otherwise Dick Grayson would still be 13. Obviously, he isn't.

I could lay out the whole chronology of Kara's timeline since she crashed into Gotham. But what's the point? Everyone in the books is pretty much in agreement: she is, chronologically, more or less the equivalent of 17 (in human terms).

And like I said: she's a millionaire. She has no secret identity. She's not in school. She is one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy.

Does it matter if she is the equivalent of 16, 17, or 18, or 19? No. Heck, she's actually like 55-60!

All I'm saying is that comic book characters ages are fixed no matter mow much time passes. If her age is 15 then she's 15. Especially if the writer of the book states that she's 15. Even if her chronological age is much older, she has the body, mind and experience of a 15 year old.

Also for what's its worth I don't have spell check on this computer so I'm sorry for all the typos.

[Justin Davis]

Does comic book time equal real time? No. But that doesn't make what you are saying true, either.

Otherwise Dick Grayson would still be 13. Obviously, he isn't.

I could lay out the whole chronology of Kara's timeline since she crashed into Gotham. But what's the point? Everyone in the books is pretty much in agreement: she is, chronologically, more or less the equivalent of 17 (in human terms).

And like I said: she's a millionaire. She has no secret identity. She's not in school. She is one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy.

Does it matter if she is the equivalent of 16, 17, or 18, or 19? No. Heck, she's actually like 55-60!

I haven't been reading the book so fill me in on this bit. How is she a millionaire?

[diana_fan]

All I'm saying is that comic book characters ages are fixed no matter mow much time passes. If her age is 15 then she's 15. Especially if the writer of the book states that she's 15. Even if her chronological age is much older, she has the body, mind and experience of a 15 year old.

Also for what's its worth I don't have spell check on this computer so I'm sorry for all the typos.

And the last time you read a book concerning SG was?

I haven't been reading the book so fill me in on this bit. How is she a millionaire?

She had piece of Kryptonian tech that she sold to Batman. It was a fun negotiation, then they finally came to a bargain, and Kara leaned over and kissed him on the cheek.

She got a huge apartment building out of it.

[Kent H]

All I'm saying is that comic book characters ages are fixed no matter mow much time passes. If her age is 15 then she's 15. Especially if the writer of the book states that she's 15. Even if her chronological age is much older, she has the body, mind and experience of a 15 year old.

Also for what's its worth I don't have spell check on this computer so I'm sorry for all the typos.

Both the Supergirl series and Brave and the Bold #2 state that she is 17.

[Lester C.]

Both the Supergirl series and Brave and the Bold #2 state that she is 17.

Even if she's seventeen, she still would be underage in my state which I think may have been Tony's point.

[Lester C.]

And the last time you read a book concerning SG was?



She had piece of Kryptonian tech that she sold to Batman. It was a fun negotiation, then they finally came to a bargain, and Kara leaned over and kissed him on the cheek.

She got a huge apartment building out of it.

I stopped reading comics May of last year, so let's Loeb's last issue, but I read some Infinite Crisies and One Year later stuff after that.

[diana_fan]

Even if she's seventeen, she still would be underage in my state which I think may have been Tony's point.

I stopped reading comics May of last year, so let's Loeb's last issue, but I read some Infinite Crisies and One Year later stuff after that.

And a 17 year-old who can lift the Empire State Building with one hand while drunk is not a normal 17 year-old. :) That's MY point.

I don't really want to get into this, but a 17 year-old girl is only underage in like 2% of the world. She would be expected to be an adult in the vast majority of the world.

And this 17 year-old owns an expensive apartment building, is BFFs with Wonder Girl, knows Batman well enough to kiss him on the cheek, and, well, is Superman's cousin, and is friends with Wonder Woman and lived on Themyscira.

She's hardly the helpless girl at the Border's, crying every Tuesday and Thursday. To take advantage of Kara you have to have a lot in your arsenal. Power Boy was Apokoliptian and it ended up with a knee to the junk for him.

People want to ignore the fact that we're talking about a girl who can destroy planets with her bare hands. We're talking about a girl who survived being kidnapped/brainwashed by Darkseid himself. She faced down Dark Angel. We're talking about a girl who has power on a cosmic level.

She might occasionally be a mess emotionally, have a bad day, be sick of her cousin, or get angsty. She might want to shop or just be by herself. But at the end of the day, she's The Maid of Might, The Girl of Steel, The Last Daughter of Krypton ... SUPERGIRL!

[jerrymcl89]

All I'm saying is that comic book characters ages are fixed no matter mow much time passes. If her age is 15 then she's 15. Especially if the writer of the book states that she's 15. Even if her chronological age is much older, she has the body, mind and experience of a 15 year old.

She does not have the body, the mind, or the experience of any actual, real-world fifteen-year-old, or for that matter seventeeen-year-old. Which it's why it's problematic to project "she should behave the way I think my fifteen-year-old daughter should" onto her. But her being more like 17 has been stated in the comic, follows logically from her having been 15/16 when she first arrived, and corresponds more logically to how virtually everyone in all the books she has appeared in (including her mentors like Batman and Superman) have treated her.

[Linkara]

Count me among those who will be picking up Supergirl once your three-issue stint begins. I admit, it was really because of the artwork and not the interview they had with you, sorry, but a lot of the comments you made resonate with me. Also count me among the fans who want her to have some original villains and supporting cast. Well, a supporting cast that's NOT made up of other DCU characters, anyway.

Actually, if there was one thing that actually made me sad about your interview, Tony, it was the disregard of the Linda Danver years. I highly recommend picking them up, especially the final "Many Happy Returns" arc.

[sabongero]

Looks like you will be helming some of the books I have been reading since last year. I wish you the best on SG & LSH, SG, and BoP. Hopefully you have a great story that will have a lasting impression. Good luck Tony.

[Azrael52]

I am the only person in my circle that actually likes the new Supergirl. I loved the intro in Superman/Batman and the first story arc especially. I think that even after that I'd say it was still one of my top 10 DC books. Every issue that I read by Mr. Bedard is pulled off so character-based that I can't wait to see what he does with her. One thing I'd like though, concerning her change of character: Don't be like flipping a switch (i.e. retcon); instead, let it be a concious choice for her to think that maybe she needs to reevaluate how she's dressing/acting.

Also, I was wondering: These 3 issues. Are we talking one story arc, or 3 one-shots?

Thanks, Tony.

[Tony Bedard]

One self-contained issue deals with Supergirl's participation in AMAZONS ATTACK, and the next two issues deal with her encounter with Karate Kid and Triplicate Girl from JUSTICE LEAGUE and COUNTDOWN. That story will also address her time spent with the Legion in the 31st century.

[kenaustin]

...and the next two issues deal with her encounter with Karate Kid and Triplicate Girl from JUSTICE LEAGUE and COUNTDOWN. That story will also address her time spent with the Legion in the 31st century.

Triplicate Girl?
Tony, did you just reveal something? Or did I miss Triplicate Girl coming to the 21st century? Could she be the mystery shadowed person at the end of the "Lightning Saga" running with Karate Kid? I always thought it was her on the cover of Countdown #1, but the official word was that it was Sasha Bordeaux. I believe that was misdirection.
Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

[Johnny_Luck]

1. Supergirl is 17 in human years, end of story.
2. I am very much worried by the changes that Bedard is making with supergirl alongside RG.

3. Here is why

First he seems to be concentrating on taking away what has worked for supergirl so far to date which is the crazyness and dark attitude and seems to want to draw her towards going out there and finding trouble in order to fight it rather than let it come to her. Just because she wants to do good doesn't mean as a teenager she would be as active in finding it as superman or the JLA are.

There was nothing wrong with her attitude whatsover, the problem was that she has had choppy stories with no conclusion and too many flashbacks that didn't help a unclear origin story.

The art and her attitude is what has kept me on the book even with no so great stories, though after churchill left the art is not very good.

from what you are saying it sounds like you are going to change her in a goody, goody, girlscout, who basically might as well bow down to kiss superman's butt on a daily basis and call him god. The comment someone made about you promising not to write her like britney spears when in fact she never has anyways leads me to believe you think her cool aspects are too crazy.

I really liked your writing on Black Canary #1 and thought it was amazing, but I am praying that you don't do a complete overhaul of a character that doesn't need a character overhaul but a story and rogue gallery overhaul and thus when your three issues are up we get stuck with someone who has to either find a way to bring her back to what she is now or is forced to deal with the changes you make in a short 3 issues.


That combined with RG's PC/Fem Friendly art just might be the one thing that turns me off the book which I have been defending as hard as I can cause I love it until now.

My problem with RG art is simple he's covering up a girl that doesn't need to be covered up any more. I mean why is it that every new artist thinks that having her belly revealed is as bad as showing her chest on a weekly basis. Its not a private part and none of her upper body is revealed enough to show that part, so why do you feel the need to cover up her belly more. A 17 year old wouldn't want baggier clothes just to cover her abs.


Not to mention he is making the skirt knee length which is just silly. I mean until Joe Kelly had Garza give us a panties shot in 18 we hadn't gotten one to date with how short the skirt was and the only reason that panty shot was in there was part of an FU to people complaining not only about the writing but the costume. No normal 17 year old girl is going to wear shorts under a skirt or a skirt long enough to reach their knees.

4 years ago when I was shopping with my mom for clothes for my little brothers and sister(who at the time was like 7) we had to go to 4 different malls in different towns and at least 9 different clothes stores in order to find a pair of shorts for a 7 year old that at least went half way to the knees.

compared that with what you see girls wearing in high school and college and theres no way a normal teenage girl 17 years of age would wear a skirt that long or even spend the time it would take to scourer the globe to find something that long.

[kenaustin]

Tony, any confirmation about Triplicate Girl from your earlier post?

[Rattlehead]

Tony, any confirmation about Triplicate Girl from your earlier post?

You may want to re-read the Lightning Saga, Triplicate Girl was very clearly in it.

[kenaustin]

You may want to re-read the Lightning Saga, Triplicate Girl was very clearly in it.

And she was very clearly an illusion of Sensor Girl's. :p

Anyway, Countdown #41 answered the question.

[Azrael52]

That story will also address her time spent with the Legion in the 31st century.

About time!;)

[Johnny_Luck]

I was wondering if some supergirl fans on this board could answer some questions for me.

if you want to, either way here they are.

1. How Many of You Think the Problem with the Book right now is the Supergirl character Herself?

2. How many of you think its poor flashbacks, no origin story and no Rogues Gallery?

3. How many of You think Her outfit is too revealing?

4. How many like it the way it was with Churchill(the outfit not the art)?

5. How many Like RG version of the Longer Outfit?

5b) How many think it makes sense for a 17 year old girl to just up and wear baggier shirts to cover more belly(which isn't even a private part), or a skirt that goes down to her knees for the sake of deciding she wants to show less skin(without a parent figure involved)?

6. How many of you think that Supergirl should be out wandering the street looking for trouble to fight and fix like superman?

7. How many think that logically it makes more sense for a teenager to want to let it come to her and then do whats right and destroy what is evil?

8. How many Like Boomer/Cassie as her Cast?

9. How many think she needs to somehow grab random humans off the street and name them friends just to have a bigger cast with non powered people involved?

10. How Many People like the Darkness/crazyness she has and the little bit of rebel?

11. How many would rather her walk grandmas across the street and have her rescue kitten from trees?

12. How many people think Power Girls, Black Canary's, or Zatanna's costumes are too revealing?

13. Don't you think that it make more sense to have PG, Starfire's, anyone who actually has a private part showing to get a less revealing costume due to a change rather than someone who hasn't even shown a private part to begin with(Belly and Legs only)








I just wondering cause I trying to decide something. That being that Tony and RG seem to want to take her in a direction that parents would want to take her in, aka longer belly shirt and skirt as they would want their daughter covered up more, never mind shes a 17 year old who has a fashion sense with no parents telling her what they do and do not like. Not to mention he said the only reason people could like the outfit that not only looked good but fit her character/age was if we were teenage perverts. (which I am so not)

and and Tony said somewhere he is taking into consideration being a parent and that makes me think he wants to make her go out to find trouble and do whats right just because of the S rather than what a teenager would do and let it come to them, not want to do anything at first and then deal doing whats right. That and I fear a lot hes getting rid of her dark and crazyness which is the one major why I continued defending and staying with the book so long even with poor concluded stories and no clear rogues gallery. the darkness of a S book made it much more enjoyable and if hes just going to make her a younger copy of superman I am out as there are reasons I don't like superman.

[Linkara]

I was wondering if some supergirl fans on this board could answer some questions for me.

if you want to, either way here they are.

1. How Many of You Think the Problem with the Book right now is the Supergirl character Herself?

2. How many of you think its poor flashbacks, no origin story and no Rogues Gallery?

3. How many of You think Her outfit is too revealing?

4. How many like it the way it was with Churchill(the outfit not the art)?

5. How many Like RG version of the Longer Outfit?

5b) How many think it makes sense for a 17 year old girl to just up and wear baggier shirts to cover more belly(which isn't even a private part), or a skirt that goes down to her knees for the sake of deciding she wants to show less skin(without a parent figure involved)?

6. How many of you think that Supergirl should be out wandering the street looking for trouble to fight and fix like superman?

7. How many think that logically it makes more sense for a teenager to want to let it come to her and then do whats right and destroy what is evil?

8. How many Like Boomer/Cassie as her Cast?

9. How many think she needs to somehow grab random humans off the street and name them friends just to have a bigger cast with non powered people involved?

10. How Many People like the Darkness/crazyness she has and the little bit of rebel?

11. How many would rather her walk grandmas across the street and have her rescue kitten from trees?

12. How many people think Power Girls, Black Canary's, or Zatanna's costumes are too revealing?

13. Don't you think that it make more sense to have PG, Starfire's, anyone who actually has a private part showing to get a less revealing costume due to a change rather than someone who hasn't even shown a private part to begin with(Belly and Legs only)

I just wondering cause I trying to decide something. That being that Tony and RG seem to want to take her in a direction that parents would want to take her in, aka longer belly shirt and skirt as they would want their daughter covered up more, never mind shes a 17 year old who has a fashion sense with no parents telling her what they do and do not like. Not to mention he said the only reason people could like the outfit that not only looked good but fit her character/age was if we were teenage perverts. (which I am so not)

and and Tony said somewhere he is taking into consideration being a parent and that makes me think he wants to make her go out to find trouble and do whats right just because of the S rather than what a teenager would do and let it come to them, not want to do anything at first and then deal doing whats right. That and I fear a lot hes getting rid of her dark and crazyness which is the one major why I continued defending and staying with the book so long even with poor concluded stories and no clear rogues gallery. the darkness of a S book made it much more enjoyable and if hes just going to make her a younger copy of superman I am out as there are reasons I don't like superman.

1. That depends on what you define as "the Supergirl character."

2. I do. The creative team changes far too often for a lot of resolution, heroes are as much defined by their villains as their own personality and Supergirl has lacked any original rogues to go up against, and the flashbacks are unnecessary.

3. I do. The skirt was far too short and we are supposed to believe that Ma Kent was the one that made it originally. Also, from a fashion perspective, tank tops with long sleeves + a short skirt are a no no.

4. Hips do not go out at a 90-degree angle and her lips shouldn't be puffed up and pouty.

5. I do. She actually looks like a real person.

5b. As someone who was recently 17, I saw girls wearing all sorts of clothes... although none of them wore a tight belly shirt with sleeves and a teeny-tiny skirt. In fact, most of them wore pants. And even when they did wear skirts, they were longer than the one we've seen up until now.

6. Technically he flies above the streets looking for trouble, but I wouldn't know if she would handle that since we haven't seen any of it so far.

7. Logically, possibly. Then again I was a teenager recently and thought about going out and hunting evil. It depends on an individual's personality and not some vague generalization of what teenagers supposedly want.

8. They appear in enough books. Give us some original cast.

9. No, but maybe she could develop a secret identity of sorts or just help out someplace with non-superpowered people, like working with a reporter or getting her own city to protect.

10. It was an interesting development, but it hasn't gone anywhere and we're still no closer to knowing if the crystals thing was true or not.

11. I want all heroes doing that. Of course, I want ordinary people in real life doing that, too.

12. Power Girl needs a symbol instead of a hole, although the hole is fine when it's drawn properly (not taking up half her chest). Zatanna covers everything, but has fishnets on her legs. Black Canary sometimes covers everything if she wears a leather jacket, but also has fishnets. Supergirl has a teensy little skirt.

13. Hasn't shown a private part? How many damn shots beneath her skirt did we need to see she was wearing panties? And even then, some of the artwork boggled the mind about how exactly she was wearing them considering the skirt on some occasions seemed to ride down her hips far too much.

[Tony Bedard]

I'm starting to worry that my "Super-Burka" storyline isn't gonna go over so well, so I've changed to an arc in which Kara discovers that high-waisted "mom jeans" and a baggy sweatshirt are really the most comfortable crimefighting clothes available.

Daggum teenage perverts...

[Azrael52]

I'm starting to worry that my "Super-Burka" storyline isn't gonna go over so well, so I've changed to an arc in which Kara discovers that high-waisted "mom jeans" and a baggy sweatshirt are really the most comfortable crimefighting clothes available.

Daggum teenage perverts...

Finally! I've been asking for this forever! :D

[Johnny_Luck]

I'm starting to worry that my "Super-Burka" storyline isn't gonna go over so well, so I've changed to an arc in which Kara discovers that high-waisted "mom jeans" and a baggy sweatshirt are really the most comfortable crimefighting clothes available.

Daggum teenage perverts...

I know your joking in all, but in all seriousness why is it people like yourselves and others revert to the its teenage perverts and teenagers who want to sleep with Kara that like the old design.

I'm 22, happily have a very good looking girlfriend and I definately don't feel that way about Kara at all.

However Comic books are a visual medium, we are spending most of the money we do on that comic on the art and inking, so wouldn't it be logical for us to want what looks best on the page. Or at least what looks best to our eyes while on the page and to want a style of artwork, with costumes that keep us wanting to read the book.

Oh and Linkara, while preparing for a debate on how silly the how many up the skirt pantie shots we got from kara arguement was, I went back and re-looked at all the supergirl issues to see how many we had. Guess what, fact is we have only seen her panties 3 times. 2 of them were in Issue #1 with churchill and the 3rd and final one to date was garza's doing in issue #19, so from Supergirl 2-18 there were no panty shots, and that fact has been why I question the validity of people like you who have always over exaggerated how many we had.