Artists you hate that shows brief flashes of genius and depth

[blackdragon6]

have you ever come across a song (or even a album) from a artist that you don't particularly hold in high regard and found it to be surprisingly good/artistic/deep or whatever.only to be let down by the fact that said artists don't follow it up but instead choose to keep churning out cookie cutter trash despite their few jewels in the rough?...do anybody understand what i'm trying to say?:)

[JoeK32880]

Well, I like Christina Aguilera's song Fighter, but there's no force on Earth that could get me to buy one of her albums.

Eminem's Lose Yourself, maybe? The only Eminem song I really love, although I don't completely hate him to begin with.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i understand completly the artists who come to my mind are

Nelly's-the utha side,i wanted to hear more songs like this from him

Trick Daddy-thug holiday,what pisses me off is how critics (whom loved said album of the same name btw) completly dissmisses the song.and people wanna know why rap talks about absolutly nothing.

[DonC]

There's a hair metal band called Warrant. Nothing but boring double entendre songs about sex. Expect one song, "Uncle Tom's Cabin." That song is actually good. It shows depth far beyond their other stuff. At least the stuff I've heard.

[Aubergine~!]

I dunno about that, Down Boys is fun.

[Aggie]

Well, I like Christina Aguilera's song Fighter, but there's no force on Earth that could get me to buy one of her albums...

that's the first name that popped into my head..."Beautiful" is a great ballad and it proves that she can actually sing.

[Buried Alien]

that's the first name that popped into my head..."Beautiful" is a great ballad and it proves that she can actually sing.

I don't think there's ever been any doubts about Aguilera's vocal chops, but that particular song had some of the most trite lyrics I've ever heard.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Aggie]

I don't think there's ever been any doubts about Aguilera's vocal chops, but that particular song had some of the most trite lyrics I've ever heard.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

i say that because she's always clumped in w/ britney and jessica and those other "disney" girls and is easily dismissed as having an overly produced sound...that single has a nice clean sound to it...it isn't overdone, it's actually pretty nice...and i think ballads by definition are inherently trite...;)

[JoeK32880]

Yeah, Aquilera's standards album that she released might be interesting. That Candyman song from the TV commercials sounded pretty nice.

[Buried Alien]

Yeah, Aquilera's standards album that she released might be interesting. That Candyman song from the TV commercials sounded pretty nice.

Tell you what: if she can take on some Beatles songs and do them well, she'll have my respect. That's my ultimate litmus test for musician respect. :)


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[The Mirrorball Man]

Tell you what: if she can take on some Beatles songs and do them well, she'll have my respect. That's my ultimate litmus test for musician respect.

I would never have guessed.

[Comic_Mobsta]

I sometimes wonder what pure pop artists are capable of when theres no studio pressure/interference involved.Could they become more than what they seem? As far as my answer goes i would have to say

Why?-by Jadakiss..

[GRANT!]

I like the occasional Strokes song. Hard to Explain is really good.

[Jonathan Bogart]

I dunno, man. If an artist shows any promise of genius or depth, I'll probably start to like them. Or continue to not care about them. I don't hate very much music.

[Shellhead]

There's a hair metal band called Warrant. Nothing but boring double entendre songs about sex. Expect one song, "Uncle Tom's Cabin." That song is actually good. It shows depth far beyond their other stuff. At least the stuff I've heard.

I know exactly what you're talking about. I had a roommate back then who was really into the hair bands, but started to burn out and switch to gangsta rap. He gave away his hair band CDs to friends, and I got the Cherry Pie CD from Warrant. As was traditional for the hair bands, there were exactly two hits, a rocker ("Cherry Pie") and a power ballad ("I Saw Red"). I thought that the whole album sucked, except for that song "Uncle Tom's Cabin." It told a story instead of just shouting out crap while making noise.

[Armless Penguin]

Not really anything to do with genius or depth, but I found out today that Fall Out Boy is going to be signing autographs at the local Navy Exchange today between four and five. And that's just pretty cool.

Not that I hate them or anything. There isn't really an artist that I hate--just music I don't listen to.

[Pól Rua]

There's a hair metal band called Warrant. Nothing but boring double entendre songs about sex. Expect one song, "Uncle Tom's Cabin." That song is actually good. It shows depth far beyond their other stuff. At least the stuff I've heard.

I saw an interview with the lead singer of Warrant relatively recently. Basically, they had the album 'Uncle Tom's Cabin'. The title track was intended to be the first single, but the record company said, "We need something more radio-friendly."
That night, he went home and wrote 'Cherry Pie' in under an hour.
The record company say, "That's the single AND the new name of the album."

The guy HATES that song. As far as he's concerned, it ruined his life, 'cos now, because of some stupid ditty he rattled off in an hour, he's the 'Cherry Pie' guy FOREVER.

[Aggie]

I sometimes wonder what pure pop artists are capable of when theres no studio pressure/interference involved.Could they become more than what they seem? As far as my answer goes i would have to say

Why?-by Jadakiss..

listen to them when they do a live performance, now that's a real litmus test...

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i came across something interesting on a kelly clarkson board,i bolded the parts i thought was interesting.


by Nightflyre9 8 hours ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 01:51:16 )

I don't think her fans are abandoning her. I think her shift in music styles has alienated many fans who loved her earlier sound. It's a risk that she's obviously willing to take and I'm sure she knew the consequences beforehand--evidently she believes in the material on this new album enough to take the gamble. A change in music style can pay off big for an artist--remember when Pink went from prepackaged R & B to the edgier mix of beat-driven rock that became her signature sound? The difference is that people took that as a natural evolution for Pink, where I think with Kelly they're sensing it's more of a phase, almost a transparent attempt at real cred within the industry. Of course, that may not be the case at all, but it's hard to alter public perception.

I've listened to "My December" a few times now, and I'm still disappointed in it as a whole. I believe you can make a catchy song with a great hook that still has emotion and integrity, that can be urgent and confessional and convey genuine meaning to the listener. "My December" is so desperate to reach out and grab you and say, "Can't you just feel all this raw emotion?" that the album becomes stilted and obvious--especially in the way it leaves strong melodies out of most of the songs. It's almost as if someone told Kelly: "If you want people to take you seriously, you must NEVER write silly songs that will stick in people's heads, or that will make people hum and sing along. No! No!"

I give Kelly credit for even CARING about how her music is perceived--especially in these times of irrelevant, meaningless, prepackaged singers like Rihanna or some other TRL twit. Compared with people like them (who are her musical peers), Kelly ALREADY has cred. But she's so determined to become a "serious" artist that she's taking too many steps, too fast, without looking where she's going.

"My December" is an album Kelly should have made about five years down the road, an album she should have GROWN into with maturity and wisdom, rather than trying to show people too soon that she's the "grown up" Kelly. I think the fans who don't like her new sound would have evolved with her if she'd given them time--and if she had made it seem like more of a natural progression and less of a calculated maneuver.which brings me to the conclusion that artists need to be more mindful of how they depict themselves the first time around.because your going to be Pigeonhole to it.and your moment of clarity will be destroyed by dissenting fans.so i guess if its not broke don't fix it.music critics want growth and evolution,hardcore fans don't.so it would be hard for a rapper like nelly to develop into a chuck d or a 2pac.so artists are less willing to show growth or "depth" out of fear of fan rejection.

[Kara Zor El]

Cliff Richard. But I always find myself singing - Carrie doesn't live here anymore.

[wingsofdamnation]

i've really been against korn for the past few years but i always end up downloading their newest singles! i absolutly hate: see you on the other side, but i have twisted transister, politics, and coming undone all on my itunes. and i even have evolution from their next album. they're so damn catchy it pisses me off

[TheLazy]

Busta Rhyems with MOP) - Ante up. Its bouncy, catchy, memorable, basically all the things that Busta Rhymes isnt.

Avenged x7 - Unholy Confession. Its unique enough not to fall into the random metalcore pile, and it steers away from the heavy conventions, which work in its favour. Shame about the rest of the album, or career.

Greenday - Holiday. One of the few songs where it actually sounds like he cares about what he's singing about, and where 'that' tone of voice actually works with the music. I can't stand Greenday normally; the image, the sound, the sense of rebellion backed by a multi-billion dollar capitalist empire, there almost as bad as U2.

Cascada - Truely, Madly, deeply. I used to despise Niche with a passion. A bunch of chavs ripping classics and adding a bassline isnt real music, until I came upon this, which surprisingly surpasses the original. Their other songs aren't much to speak of, but maybe the genre can develop into a credible one.

:)

[frankiedetroit]

I never liked Whitney Houston. Then she did Chaka Khan's classic, I'm Every Woman, and I realized with a good song Whitney could actually be tolerable.

I was not an Eminem fan, but Stan made me change my mind about him.

[ImpulseUCF]

Nickelback: "Animals" and "Side of a Bullet." 98% of their songs are the most insipid, formulaic, paint-by-numbers generic boring pop rock but these two just knock me on my ass. Animals is just upbeat and catchy, not the tyical slow-tempo crap-ballad. And Side of a Bullet?! Whoooa! "...this is Nickelback?!"

To me, the rest of their catalogue is utterly forgettable.

I'm also ashamed to admit I love "Girlfriend" by Avril Lavigne. It's absurd how catchy that song is.

[Patriot07]

Steve Vai. I hate people like him and Malmsteem who seem who only really seem to try to one up the other. But his version of Little Wing at G3 with Malm and Satch was briliant. He and Satch (I normally like his work) were on fire, though Malm was normal Malm. Really inspired work.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

Bizzy bone of the rap group Bone Thugs-n-Harmony showed depth and traces of a deeper soul in his solo work. Granted i generally like this group's work but it was kinda jarring to see bizzy kinda stray from the normal dark, brooding, ouija board, ominous, weed smoking, gangsta rap subject matter on his solo work. Although to be fair other members of the group started to follow suit. primarily on their individual solo side projects which actually might be for the best. but this new found depth has started to seep in to their group work too..

[mattx110]

Steve Vai. I hate people like him and Malmsteem who seem who only really seem to try to one up the other. But his version of Little Wing at G3 with Malm and Satch was briliant. He and Satch (I normally like his work) were on fire, though Malm was normal Malm. Really inspired work.
Funny. Vai's actual work is so not "on up the other", but G3 is basically a bunch of guitarplayers one upping each other for fun.

[blackdragon6]

c-murder's song "Ghetto ties", Primarily a gangster rapper, i was kinda surprise to hear c-murder talk about how black people view other black people when they try to leave the ghetto.

[pariah-1972]

I like some of Ashlee Simpsons singles especially from her first album but a lot of times you can hear her voice cracking in the middle of the song and it gets really annoying.

[pariah-1972]

Also Avril Lavirgne's singles sound nice but her need to be considered a credible rock artist really undermines a lot of the guilty pleasure of listening to her.

[40footwolf]

I do understand. I actually think MCR has those moments, where they think of either a really engaging hook or one really amazing lyric and then the rest of the song surrounding it is just ass.

I think they'll make a brilliant album sometime in the next 5 years, but they need to find their footing first and learn about a phrase called "less is more".

[DrewTheXenocide]

I do understand. I actually think MCR has those moments, where they think of either a really engaging hook or one really amazing lyric and then the rest of the song surrounding it is just ass.

I think they'll make a brilliant album sometime in the next 5 years, but they need to find their footing first and learn about a phrase called "less is more".

There is a lot of good stuff to be found on their Black Parade album. The title song especially is what turned me on to them (or turned me off from hating them) in the first place.

[FanLove4Blade]

have you ever come across a song (or even a album) from a artist that you don't particularly hold in high regard and found it to be surprisingly good/artistic/deep or whatever.only to be let down by the fact that said artists don't follow it up but instead choose to keep churning out cookie cutter trash despite their few jewels in the rough?...do anybody understand what i'm trying to say?:)

Yeah, gwen stefani. Used to enjoy her music with No Doubt. But now she's deteriorated. Like that song where she says 'thats my shit' or something. wtf is that? Go back to no doubt nice stuff please!

madonna's another one, i enjoyed the 80's stuff. she went downhill as well with her music.

britney spears....Wont even start on her. liked her song 'hit me baby one more time' and thats it.

[pariah-1972]

I love 99 problems by Jay-z but the rest of his songs are really generic lyric wise.

[Justin K.]

Yeah, gwen stefani. Used to enjoy her music with No Doubt. But now she's deteriorated. Like that song where she says 'thats my shit' or something. wtf is that? Go back to no doubt nice stuff please!

Totally agreed. Saw No Doubt in concert recently, loved it <3
Glad she didn't sing any solo stuff though.