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Sean Walsh
05-17-2007, 03:07 PM
This isn't everything that was cancelled this season (does not include series that were pulled off the air at various points in the season) but just those that ended and weren't picked up for another year, or were cancelled because they weren't in the new schedules for 07-08:

CLOSE TO HOME
GEORGE LOPEZ
KNIGHTS OF PROSPERITY
THE WAR AT HOME
THE APPRENTICE (maybe)
GILMORE GIRLS
NANNY 911
WHAT ABOUT BRIAN
STANDOFF
TRADING SPOUSES
CROSSING JORDAN
STUDIO 60
GREASE: YOU'RE THE ONE THAT I WANT
THE WINNER
VERONICA MARS (likely)
ALL OF US
THE CLASS
JERICHO
IN CASE OF EMERGENCY
ACCORDING TO JIM (possibly)
ANDY BARKER PI

brundlefly
05-17-2007, 03:37 PM
I liked the six or so episodes of both ANDY BARKER PI and THE KNIGHTS OF PROSPERITY that I saw. It's a shame they didn't really get a chance at a full season. Didn't follow any of the others on Sean's list, and I'll do a happy-dance on the graves of both THE WAR AT HOME and Trump's APPRENTICE.

Scorpion13
05-17-2007, 03:41 PM
Wait, someone LIKED the War at Home? Wazza-huh?

That show is terrible. If only theyd cancel American Dad too....

mattx110
05-17-2007, 03:45 PM
i liked lovemonkey...
those two weeks were awesome.
i know its been a while. old wounds can still be fresh.

SnowTrooper
05-17-2007, 03:53 PM
Wait a second. There cancelling Studio 60? I thought that show was doing well.

Zero Hunter
05-17-2007, 04:01 PM
The only one I am going to miss is The Class. The show started out a little bad, but by the end it was actully not that bad of a sitcom once they figured out which way they were going with the show.

And please for the love of all that is holy lets hope that we never have to see Donald Trump on TV again for a long long time.

comicaze
05-17-2007, 05:35 PM
I can't say Crossing Jordan was a favorite favorite, but it was one I kept up with until this year pretty reguarly. I made a point to watch last night's downer of a finale and wondered, until I heard the helicopter, if they were just going to kill everybody off. Maybe Macy already knew he was moving on to The Bionic Woman in the fall and wouldn't be back.

Pretty obvious Tim Kring was too busy with Heroes and the network had tinkered too much. I still enjoyed its cases and characters and will watch again on A&E from time to time.

LtMarvel
05-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Veronica Mars especially.

Andy Barker PI was fun and I enjoyed Studio 60.

StoneGold
05-17-2007, 05:55 PM
Sigh, goodbye Knights. I'll miss you, Gary.

Donald M.
05-17-2007, 06:10 PM
Of those shows, I'll only miss Jericho (Which ridiculously unrealistic as it was wasn't a bad show, though the big disaster behind it all really should have been something other than a nuclear attack. After two or three episodes they completely forgot there's supposed to be radiation and stuff.) Studio 60 (Which never quite lived up to its brilliant pilot, but was still an enjoyable watch while it lasted) and of course Veronica Mars, which suffered greatly this season from the format change but was still one of the better shows on television.

Ryan K
05-17-2007, 06:16 PM
Wait a second. There cancelling Studio 60? I thought that show was doing well.

Studio 60 wasn't doing well since week 2. The dissapointing ratings have been a hot topic all year long.

Anna
05-17-2007, 11:50 PM
Veronica Mars was made official today.

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/the-cw-cancels-cult-hit-veronica-mars/20070517121309990001?cid=918

Jeff-E
05-18-2007, 06:29 AM
I have to admit I liked The War at Home, I'm going to miss it. Also Studio 60, IMO was a great show. I'm disappointed that neither will be back.

JDogindy
05-18-2007, 07:00 AM
How come all of you are not focusing on the positive?

According to Jim is dead!

At least, I'm hoping.

I'll look at some of the other cancellations:

The Winner- This was The Loser, and it was cancelled soon after it was aired.
Standoff- Eh. It wasn't that bad, but if you give the two protagonists the Odd Couple treatment and make all the criminals look like bizarre nutjobs from the planet Cookoo, it was going to fail.
In Case of Emergency- I saw it after Knights. It sucked. None of the characters were likable.
Knights of Prosperity- I thought this one had potential. But I have to admit, when the Columbian drug kingpin came along, SHARK!
The War at Home- This will shut up the Family Television Society (or whatever they are).

Shade
05-18-2007, 07:39 AM
How come all of you are not focusing on the positive?

According to Jim is dead!

At least, I'm hoping.



Amen and Amen!!

Joe Rice
05-18-2007, 07:42 AM
Barker and the Knights were fun, but I never mind having less reasons to waste away in front of a TV.

brundlefly
05-24-2007, 11:49 AM
Barker and the Knights were fun, but I never mind having less reasons to waste away in front of a TV.

Good point there, Joe. But there are so few decent comedies on the networks that it's a shame to see two with the potential to be really good get snuffed after six episodes in favor of dreck like the Geico Caveman Show. Particularly with regards to Barker; man, Andy Richter just can't catch a break.

Kevinroc
05-24-2007, 12:00 PM
STUDIO 60
VERONICA MARS
ANDY BARKER PI

These are the shows that I will miss. It was especially irritating that Veronica Mars had a great season finale but a terrible series finale.

Ax2Grind
05-24-2007, 09:03 PM
i liked lovemonkey...
those two weeks were awesome.
i know its been a while. old wounds can still be fresh.

So true! I miss that show too!

Jeff-E
05-25-2007, 07:14 AM
Along with War at Home, and Studio 60, I'll miss Standoff. Sara and I actually loved that show, it was very much a guilty pleasure. I'm kind of sad that two other shows not listed here are cancelled: The Nine, and Windfall. I was getting in to both shows when they went away.

Loren
05-25-2007, 10:35 AM
This isn't everything that was cancelled this season (does not include series that were pulled off the air at various points in the season)

That's no fun. Here's the full list (http://www.tvpicks.net/grids/fall-2007/). It's fun to see how many shows have been completely forgotten. A few I don't even recognize:

20 Good Years (NBC)
3 lbs (CBS)
According To Jim (ABC)
All of Us (CW)
Andy Barker, P.I. (NBC)
The Apprentice (NBC) (?)
Armed and Famous (CBS)
Big Day (ABC)
Black Donnellys, The (NBC)
The Class (CBS)
Close To Home (CBS)
Crossing Jordan (NBC)
Day Break (ABC)
Drive (FOX)
Extreme Makeover (ABC)
George Lopez (ABC)
Gilmore Girls (CW)
Grease: You’re the One That I Want (NBC)
Great American Dream Vote, The (ABC)
Happy Hour (FOX)
Help Me Help You (ABC)
Identity (NBC)
In Case of Emergency (ABC)
Jericho (CBS)
Justice (FOX)
Kidnapped (NBC)
King of Queens (CBS)
Knights of Prosperity (ABC)
The Nine (ABC)
The O.C. (FOX)
Raines (NBC)
Real Wedding Crashers, The (NBC)
Reba (CW)
The Rich List (FOX)
Runaway (CW)
Seventh Heaven (CW)
Show Me The Money (ABC)
Six Degrees (ABC)
Smith (CBS)
Standoff (FOX)
Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip (NBC)
Thank God You’re Here (NBC)
Vanished (FOX)
Veronica Mars (CW)
War at Home, The (FOX)
The Wedding Bells (FOX)
What About Brian (ABC)
Winner, The (FOX)

Anna
05-25-2007, 10:59 AM
These are the shows that I will miss. It was especially irritating that Veronica Mars had a great season finale but a terrible series finale.


I feel ya, as I said the same thing about Crossing Jordan.

Shellhead
05-25-2007, 02:03 PM
That's no fun. Here's the full list (http://www.tvpicks.net/grids/fall-2007/). It's fun to see how many shows have been completely forgotten. A few I don't even recognize:

20 Good Years (NBC)
3 lbs (CBS)
According To Jim (ABC)
All of Us (CW)
Andy Barker, P.I. (NBC)
The Apprentice (NBC) (?)
Armed and Famous (CBS)
Big Day (ABC)
Black Donnellys, The (NBC)
The Class (CBS)
Close To Home (CBS)
Crossing Jordan (NBC)
Day Break (ABC)
Drive (FOX)
Extreme Makeover (ABC)
George Lopez (ABC)
Gilmore Girls (CW)
Grease: You’re the One That I Want (NBC)
Great American Dream Vote, The (ABC)
Happy Hour (FOX)
Help Me Help You (ABC)
Identity (NBC)
In Case of Emergency (ABC)
Jericho (CBS)
Justice (FOX)
Kidnapped (NBC)
King of Queens (CBS)
Knights of Prosperity (ABC)
The Nine (ABC)
The O.C. (FOX)
Raines (NBC)
Real Wedding Crashers, The (NBC)
Reba (CW)
The Rich List (FOX)
Runaway (CW)
Seventh Heaven (CW)
Show Me The Money (ABC)
Six Degrees (ABC)
Smith (CBS)
Standoff (FOX)
Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip (NBC)
Thank God You’re Here (NBC)
Vanished (FOX)
Veronica Mars (CW)
War at Home, The (FOX)
The Wedding Bells (FOX)
What About Brian (ABC)
Winner, The (FOX)

It's like a Crisis on Infinite Networks!

Chiasm
05-25-2007, 02:23 PM
The Veronica Mars finale makes me want to cry. The episode was titled "The Bitch is Back." They could have just as easily named it "The Greatness of Seasons I and II is Back." The two episodes that ran the last night are easily by a mile the two best episodes of the season. Its like the writers were doing some experiment in making Veronica suck all season and decided to go back to basics for the last night. That reminder of what could have been and the non finale nature of the last episode is very depressing.

stealthwise
05-26-2007, 02:00 AM
The Class was much better than anyone had the right to expect, although it still wasn't that good overall, but I liked it more than that new show on CBS with Puddy and David Spade.

Andy Barker was just hilarious though, and wrongly destroyed before it was given a proper chance.

Everything else makes me pretty happy.

stealthwise
05-26-2007, 02:01 AM
Barker and the Knights were fun, but I never mind having less reasons to waste away in front of a TV.

More time to spend on your writing! ;)

Scorpion13
05-26-2007, 02:05 AM
Quick question: anyone watch that Happy Hour show?

And if you did, what the fuck was it about?

blackdragon6
05-26-2007, 02:21 AM
its clear that tv viewers are reluctant to take chances on new shows.and they would rather stick with whats familer to them.just like the movies actually.

Valmore
05-26-2007, 05:54 AM
Well, you can't really count some of those shows as "cancellations" for various reasons.

For instance, the whole "Grease" thing was a 1-time reality show, and since they have cast members for the leads now, it would be pointless to do a second show of it next season.

Anna
11-13-2009, 02:23 PM
Anyone feel like whining about the current crop of cancellations? So far we've got Eastwick, Hank, Dollhouse and allegedly Trauma and Num3ers.

Phil Clark
11-13-2009, 03:08 PM
Whine, no... but I am a bit disappointed by Eastwick. It felt like it was just picking up steam with the gals starting to acknowledge their powers. Yet another show that developed to slowly and got cancelled before it could really get rolling.

If the networks would just give producers more free reign, and more time to actually let a show develop a following... they might be surprised by what will happen. Instead we get too many shows cancelled after just a couple episodes air.

Sean Walsh
11-13-2009, 03:21 PM
Anyone feel like whining about the current crop of cancellations? So far we've got Eastwick, Hank, Dollhouse and allegedly Trauma and Num3ers.

Had no idea Numb3rs (Num3ers? Numb3ers? I'm seeing these spellings all over Google) was in danger - although a news search shows that they're cutting back on the episode order, which tends to not mean good things...

Deathstroke
11-13-2009, 10:17 PM
Anyone feel like whining about the current crop of cancellations? So far we've got Eastwick, Hank, Dollhouse and allegedly Trauma and Num3ers.

Trauma isn't having any more episodes ordered beyond the original 13.

Numbers was cut from 22 to 16 but there's been no word about cancellation as yet.

dupersuper
11-14-2009, 12:04 AM
Anyone feel like whining about the current crop of cancellations? So far we've got Eastwick, Hank, Dollhouse and allegedly Trauma and Num3ers.

Crap, I like Numb3rs. Still, they're not cancelled yet, and this is season 5 so it's not like they haven't had a good run.

The Black Guardian
11-14-2009, 12:08 AM
I am kind of sad about Numb3rs, but on the other hand, they could end the show rather well this season, with one brother getting married, another finding religion. Six seasons is respectable.

To be honest, the show hasn't been the same since Diane Farr left.

Looks like terminal frostbite for Cold Case, too... not that I care.

The Good Wife might be in some danger, as well.

StoneGold
11-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Crap, I like Numb3rs. Still, they're not cancelled yet, and this is season 5 so it's not like they haven't had a good run.

Yeah, that's the thing, after a certain point, it gets a little harder to complain when a show gets canceled. If it hasn't said what it needed to say in five years, it wasn't that great a show.

Alexrules
11-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Hey, they cancelled Tru Calling.. or whatever show that chick is in now... Dollhouse ... something.:evilsmile:

SUPERECWFAN1
11-14-2009, 12:59 AM
Anyone feel like whining about the current crop of cancellations? So far we've got Eastwick, Hank, Dollhouse and allegedly Trauma and Num3ers.

Trauma isn't having any more episodes ordered beyond the original 13.

Numbers was cut from 22 to 16 but there's been no word about cancellation as yet.

Of course CBS its said has been ordering more episodes for other shows than Num3ers . Not a good sign here its the only being cut.

As people have posted....5 seasons gets it syndication basically. Like a My Name is Earl , Num3ers will live on there.

Anna
11-14-2009, 06:22 PM
Of course CBS its said has been ordering more episodes for other shows than Num3ers . Not a good sign here its the only being cut.

As people have posted....5 seasons gets it syndication basically. Like a My Name is Earl , Num3ers will live on there.

Numb3rs (spelling taken from Zap2it.com,) won it's timeslot again http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/11/tv-ratings-cbs-takes-back-friday.html with the same amount of viewers as Medium or Ghost Whisperer. I've also read somewhere that Cold Case is also preparing for the end.

Hey, they cancelled Tru Calling.. or whatever show that chick is in now... Dollhouse ... something.:evilsmile: She also appeared on Angel shortly before the axe fell; could the young lady in question be a showkiller?

Jared
11-15-2009, 12:11 AM
She also appeared on Angel shortly before the axe fell; could the young lady in question be a showkiller?

I don't believe Eliza appeared in Angel's fifth and final season.

What name will dollhouse fanatics adopt in their soon-to-be never ending crusade to bring back the show and/or extoll its virtures at every oppurtunity?

Deathstroke
11-15-2009, 07:09 AM
What name will dollhouse fanatics adopt in their soon-to-be never ending crusade to bring back the show and/or extoll its virtures at every oppurtunity?

Whatever the name ends up being...count me out.

Phil Clark
11-15-2009, 07:50 AM
I am guessing "Dollies". :eek:

Deathstroke
11-15-2009, 11:33 AM
I am guessing "Dollies". :eek:

Okay that is wrong....LOL

Atom_basher
11-16-2009, 06:22 AM
I am guessing "Dollies". :eek:

"actives" sounds cooler :p

Phil Clark
11-16-2009, 08:31 AM
Since the show has been canceled, how about they go by "The Boxed"?

And don't get me wrong, I love Dollhouse and hope that someone decides to give it a go on another network, even on SyFy. It has a lot of potential and has only gotten better since the network stopped futzing with the production. They should always just let the creators do what they do best, make good shows.

dupersuper
11-17-2009, 11:51 PM
Numb3rs (spelling taken from Zap2it.com,) won it's timeslot again http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/11/tv-ratings-cbs-takes-back-friday.html with the same amount of viewers as Medium or Ghost Whisperer. I've also read somewhere that Cold Case is also preparing for the end.

She also appeared on Angel shortly before the axe fell; could the young lady in question be a showkiller?

The same # of people watch the ghost shows as the math science shows...there's a commentary there somewhere...though Jennifer Love Hewitts boobs throw it off...

Anna
11-19-2009, 01:34 PM
Looks like Trauma has dodged a bullet: http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/nbc-picks-up-ratings-troubled-trauma/

Anna
11-30-2009, 07:55 PM
Things are looking bleak for Three Rivers, and worse for Raising The Bar. http://tvtattle.com/

Deathstroke
12-01-2009, 04:58 AM
Yeah I saw on TV Guide.com that both Three Rivers and Raising The Bar were gone.

The last three episodes of Raising The Bar are reportedly going to be shown in March.

kalorama
12-02-2009, 09:05 PM
I seem to recall Raising the Bar running saturation adds during it's first season touting that it was "THE HIGHEST RATED NEW SHOW ON CABLE!!" WHat happened?

They should have learned from Felicity's lesson and never let Mark-Paul Gosselaar cut his hair.

Chiasm
12-03-2009, 04:30 AM
It appears Heroes may be done after all.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b156121_this_just_in_heroes_expected_end_ugly.html

A well-placed Heroes source tells me of Sendhil's casting: "Everyone is expecting this to be the last season. The cast, the crew, everyone

Deathstroke
12-03-2009, 05:06 AM
It appears Heroes may be done after all.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b156121_this_just_in_heroes_expected_end_ugly.html

Good, couldn't happen to a more deserving show. It should've died after that awful Season 2.

RBishop
12-03-2009, 08:15 AM
Good, couldn't happen to a more deserving show. It should've died after that awful Season 2.
Absolutely agree. My wife and I struggled through last season, and after Tivo'ing the first two episodes of this year and not making any attempt to watch them before the third episode, we called it quits; we haven't regretted that decision for a moment.

On the plus side, dropping Heroes gave me an opportunity to get her watching Supernatural, which seems to keep getting better as it ages. She gets creeped out by some of the scary stuff and I have to explain a lot of the backstory to her, but she is genuinely interested in it, which is pretty cool. It's been my favorite show since they took Angel off the air and now I have someone to talk about it with.

Anna
12-03-2009, 11:08 AM
Eastwick's final episodes will be bumped in a last ditch effort to save Ugly Betty http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/abc-moving-ugly-betty-to-eastwick-spot/

Deathstroke
12-03-2009, 05:41 PM
Eastwick's final episodes will be bumped in a last ditch effort to save Ugly Betty http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/abc-moving-ugly-betty-to-eastwick-spot/

It's not going to work thought.

Ugly Betty is going to end at the end of this season I believe.

It never recovered from the Season 2 crapfest.

The Zapper
12-03-2009, 05:45 PM
I watched one episode of Ugly Betty, and I've seen better acting in high school plays. It truly deserves to be canceled.

bert
12-03-2009, 06:28 PM
It's not going to work thought.

Ugly Betty is going to end at the end of this season I believe.

It never recovered from the Season 2 crapfest.

It's truly been a great season (*best since season 1), and I hope the show finds it's audience on Wed nights.

it deserves renewal just based on how strong it rebounded from the awful last season.

bert
12-03-2009, 06:29 PM
I watched one episode of Ugly Betty, and I've seen better acting in high school plays. It truly deserves to be canceled.

you watched ONE episode and declared that "it truly desrves to be canceled" ?


judgemental much?

The Zapper
12-03-2009, 06:37 PM
judgemental much?

I've never claimed I wasn't.

Romero
12-04-2009, 12:38 PM
We watched Ugly Betty all the first season, most of the second, some of the third and little to none of the fourth. Moving it to Friday was a sure sign that it lost support with the network. Too bad.

I bet it ends with Betty and Daniel together.

Deathstroke
12-04-2009, 05:09 PM
I bet it ends with Betty and Daniel together.

If it does the two actors will be disappointed. They've repeatedly said they don't want the characters to get together romantically.

Anna
12-04-2009, 09:28 PM
I'd rather see her with Gio.

Deathstroke
12-05-2009, 06:30 AM
I'd rather see her with Gio.

Dear GAWD NO!

Ratstar
12-05-2009, 08:51 AM
I watched one episode of Ugly Betty, and I've seen better acting in high school plays. It truly deserves to be canceled.
It's not supposed to be good. It's supposed to be cheesy and over the top.


I bet it ends with Betty and Daniel together.
Seemed to be implying that this season, but I don't think so now, looks like Daniel and Amanda will get back together.
And despite them making Betty more cute than ugly with the new hair and style they probably won't follow the telenovella (Betty becoming beautiful and getting together with Daniel).

Athena Bast
12-05-2009, 08:57 AM
Absolutely agree. My wife and I struggled through last season, and after Tivo'ing the first two episodes of this year and not making any attempt to watch them before the third episode, we called it quits; we haven't regretted that decision for a moment.

On the plus side, dropping Heroes gave me an opportunity to get her watching Supernatural, which seems to keep getting better as it ages. She gets creeped out by some of the scary stuff and I have to explain a lot of the backstory to her, but she is genuinely interested in it, which is pretty cool. It's been my favorite show since they took Angel off the air and now I have someone to talk about it with.

The whole show is the relationship between the brothers, monsters aside. Plus, show her the clip of them singing Bon Jovi in the car.

Donald M.
12-05-2009, 12:51 PM
If it does the two actors will be disappointed. They've repeatedly said they don't want the characters to get together romantically.

Yeah, their characters end up together in pretty much every other version of the show and there are dozens, but it's pretty clear by now Ugly Betty is taking things in a different direction.

Anna
12-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Come here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=146727 for more Ugly Betty discussion, including next week's [spoil]pregnancy[/] reveal

Anna
12-09-2009, 11:30 AM
Just for fun: http://tvbythenumbers.com/the-renew-cancel-index

fireSTRIKE!
12-09-2009, 12:52 PM
Good, couldn't happen to a more deserving show. It should've died after that awful Season 2.

It's not going to work thought.

Ugly Betty is going to end at the end of this season I believe.

It never recovered from the Season 2 crapfest.

thank god and FINALLY... overrated, the both of them are...

Anna
12-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Bad news for Better Off Ted and Scrubs fans. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/18/report-abc-to-double-up-scrubs-better-off-ted-in-january-to-burn-them-all-off/36702

DonC
12-19-2009, 02:49 PM
The new Scrubs was kind of weak, but I was still digging Better Off Ted.

Trey
12-24-2009, 12:37 PM
The new Scrubs was kind of weak, but I was still digging Better Off Ted.

Better Off Ted is awesome. Too bad its getting canceled soon.

I think the 2 scientists are the weak links of the cast.

Anna
12-24-2009, 01:38 PM
These are the least watched shows of the season: http://www.zap2it.com/news/custom/photogallery/tv/zap-lowest-rated-shows-fall-2009-pictures,0,6452241,showall.photogallery

Trey
12-24-2009, 02:24 PM
Is Gossip Girl in trouble? And yes....I am a 12 year old girl. Why do you ask?

Anna
12-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Is Gossip Girl in trouble? And yes....I am a 12 year old girl. Why do you ask?

Maybe. Remember CW has a lower standard when it comes to ratings because their best show can't compete with the worst of CBS.

The Black Guardian
12-25-2009, 12:16 AM
Gossip Girl shouldn't be in trouble. It's pretty much in CW's Top 3. I think Melrose is the only CW series that really needs to be worrying now. When you can't beat the ratings on Smallville reruns, worry.

twitchinmonkey
12-25-2009, 06:01 AM
Bad news for Better Off Ted and Scrubs fans. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/18/report-abc-to-double-up-scrubs-better-off-ted-in-january-to-burn-them-all-off/36702

Better off Ted should have been put in the post Modern Family slot and they should have moved of that god-awful Cougar Town

Surtur
12-25-2009, 06:51 AM
All I have to say is they sure as hell better not cancel Fringe.

fireSTRIKE!
12-25-2009, 09:30 AM
All I have to say is they sure as hell better not cancel Fringe.

not a chance... I believe it's doing well...

choosing between Fringe and Dollhouse on Fox, I'd rather see Dollhouse headed for the dumpster, which it WILL be soon...

survival of the fittest... :cool:

Libaax
12-25-2009, 09:36 AM
You dont know they canceled Dollhouse weeks ago ?

fireSTRIKE!
12-25-2009, 10:52 AM
You dont know they canceled Dollhouse weeks ago ?

if you're responding to MY post, yes I do know about Dollhouse ... it's just running it's course at the moment to IMO, it's long-overdue cancellation...

Anna
12-26-2009, 01:06 PM
Eastwick is still on the schedule for Wednesday, after which Ugly Betty will take the slot.

The Black Guardian
12-26-2009, 02:46 PM
Yeah, I doubt they will cancel Fringe. But be on the lookout for a possible change in scheduling.

Anna
01-07-2010, 02:18 PM
Looks like Numb3rs still has a chance: http://www.tvguide.com/News/NUMB3RS-Not-Canceled-1013543.aspx

comicsmetal
01-10-2010, 07:34 PM
It looks like the Jay leno show might be canceled ,so it makes me wonder what will NBC do with the 10pm time slot.

Expletive Deleted
01-10-2010, 07:45 PM
It looks like the Jay leno show might be canceled ,so it makes me wonder what will NBC do with the 10pm time slot.They just greenlit a bunch of new pilots.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i936d3d2c48ddaeb1a2d9ead12d47b795

Also, in the short term, they have access to all of USA's original programming.

Conn Seanery
01-10-2010, 07:50 PM
It looks like the Jay leno show might be canceled ,so it makes me wonder what will NBC do with the 10pm time slot.
I heard they're toying with the idea of pushing Leno's show to 11:30, the Tonight Show to midnight, and Late Night to 1 AM. Hopefully that also means he's that much closer to getting cancelled.

As they said on SNL this past weekend, "It's a little weird to start the Tonight Show at a time when it's no longer tonight."

LordEd1976
01-10-2010, 08:16 PM
I wonder what they'll do with the 0pm slot now?

Anna
01-10-2010, 09:36 PM
I wonder what they'll do with the 0pm slot now?

Save some of the bubble shows? http://ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=9129

Anna
01-27-2010, 03:51 PM
Ugly Betty is canceled: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/27/exclusive-abc-cancels-ugly-betty/

fireSTRIKE!
01-27-2010, 03:52 PM
Ugly Betty is canceled: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/27/exclusive-abc-cancels-ugly-betty/

good news indeed... what a waste of time and film...

DonC
01-27-2010, 05:22 PM
good news indeed... what a waste of time and film...


Yeah, and that dude won't be holding a gun to your head and making you watch it anymore.

Deathstroke
01-27-2010, 05:41 PM
I'm disappointed that the show never was able to become as good as it was in the first season after the disastrous second season.

fireSTRIKE!
01-27-2010, 06:45 PM
Yeah, and that dude won't be holding a gun to your head and making you watch it anymore.

no he won't, thank god...

dupersuper
01-27-2010, 11:38 PM
As they said on SNL this past weekend, "It's a little weird to start the Tonight Show at a time when it's no longer tonight."

Welcome to Canadian tv...

Conn Seanery
01-27-2010, 11:42 PM
Welcome to Canadian tv...
Um...what?

Treqqor
01-28-2010, 01:36 PM
Um...what?

I don't get it either.

Anna
01-28-2010, 02:56 PM
Adderly was a good Canadian show.

Ronald Bryan
01-28-2010, 07:28 PM
I'm disappointed that the show never was able to become as good as it was in the first season after the disastrous second season.
And then was sent to Friday death.

dupersuper
01-28-2010, 08:22 PM
I don't get it either.

Um...what?

I live in eastern Canada; U.S shows air 1 hour later. Time zone fun.

Anna
01-29-2010, 02:44 AM
I live in eastern Canada; U.S shows air 1 hour later. Time zone fun.

In Arizona broadcast TV shows air one hour earlier than other parts of the country; but since we don't do daylight savings time everything airs one hour later than the rest of the country for half the year and on time the rest.

Ronald Bryan
01-29-2010, 01:00 PM
I live in eastern Canada; U.S shows air 1 hour later. Time zone fun.
Sunday Morning Live, then?

dupersuper
01-29-2010, 08:17 PM
Sunday Morning Live, then?

No idea; who's awake on Sunday morning?

Anna
02-06-2010, 11:44 AM
The ongoing legal battles between Paul Sr. and Paul Jr. have led to the demice of American Chopper: http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/06/american-chopper-series-finale-tlc/

SUPERECWFAN1
02-06-2010, 12:00 PM
The ongoing leagal battles between Paul Sr. and Paul Jr. have led to the demice of American Chopper: http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/06/american-chopper-series-finale-tlc/

If anyone has seen the show they'll tell you Paul Sr has a problem most hard headed fathers do when they run and build a business. Letting the son take command and lead . They feel its their baby and that the son shouldn't take it over.

The sad thing is he basically ruined his own show (which helped advertise his business) and chased away his family due to it. I'm sure at one point Paul Sr. will wake up and realize where he went wrong. That his son just wanted to be given the chance to have a say.

Gabe99
02-15-2010, 03:11 AM
From Screen Rant:
TLC Cancels American Chopper; Paul Jr. Getting a Show? (http://screenrant.com/tlc-cancels-american-chopper-aco-44831/)

Sean Walsh
02-15-2010, 07:46 AM
Better Off Ted hasn't been officially cancelled, but its stars are reportedly "in demand" for other pilots - and in Andrea Anders' case she's already moving to a new show - a Matthew Perry pilot at ABC. (http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1068406p1.html)

Treqqor
02-15-2010, 10:28 AM
- and in Andrea Anders' case she's already moving to a new show - a Matthew Perry pilot at ABC. (http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1068406p1.html)

She just LOVES that "Friends" cast!

Anna
02-16-2010, 02:46 PM
Better Off Ted hasn't been officially cancelled, but its stars are reportedly "in demand" for other pilots - and in Andrea Anders' case she's already moving to a new show - a Matthew Perry pilot at ABC. (http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1068406p1.html)

Putting it in the same boat with Numb3rs, as David Krumholtz has jumped ship.

Anna
02-17-2010, 12:15 PM
Entertainment Weekly's Mike Ausiello has seperate broadcast and cable scorecards with his odds on various show's chances at survival:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/14/bubble-show-scorecard/#more-6112
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/17/cable-bubble-show-scorecard-ausiello/

Anna
02-17-2010, 12:24 PM
Double post

Sean Walsh
02-17-2010, 02:04 PM
Putting it in the same boat with Numb3rs, as David Krumholtz has jumped ship.

REALLY. I didn't know Numb3rs was in danger......but it sure as hell is now.

Anna
02-19-2010, 12:01 PM
Hope nobody got too attached to Past Life: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/19/this-just-in-fox-cancels-past-life/

Romero
02-19-2010, 12:06 PM
Damn, that show barely even started. It did seem stupid though.

Deathstroke
02-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Hope nobody got too attached to Past Life: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/19/this-just-in-fox-cancels-past-life/

Anyone really surprised by this though?

Nevets F
02-19-2010, 12:39 PM
That was super fast...not surprising though.

The Black Guardian
02-19-2010, 02:15 PM
When I heard the premise of Past Life, I could barely believe someone thought it was a good idea. Some of the plots haven't been that bad though, but the cast is just boring.

Phil Clark
02-19-2010, 02:55 PM
While networks tend to cancel shows to quickly now, I think this one was justified. I caught part of the premiere, and was just amazed by how badly it was handled. As a police drama attempting to solve cold cases, it was bound to fall short more often than not. Re-purposed as a kind of "ghost whisperer" style show where a medium helps people with past life experiences to make sense of what is happening it could be decent. As a crime drama, not so much.

Lasko8734
02-19-2010, 03:13 PM
What was the name of that one show that came on NBC? It was about like emergency rescuers. A helicopter was involved, and that's all I remember :confused:

bert
02-19-2010, 05:16 PM
Trauma?



.

Lasko8734
02-19-2010, 06:19 PM
Trauma?



.

yeah, that's the one

Is that show canceled?

Anna
02-19-2010, 07:37 PM
yeah, that's the one

Is that show canceled?

Not yet, but most likely will be.

Anna
03-03-2010, 09:47 AM
...Now ABC hasn't officially canceled The Forgotten; but this is pretty damn close as next week is the last episode.: http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/03/abcs-shortens-forgotten-run.html

Angelo2113
03-03-2010, 10:25 PM
Has anybody heard new abouts Smallville? I don't want to see it end at all, but I hope they at least make it to the Ten Season mark.

And I don't really want them to end Supernatural, but I wouldn't have minded if this was the final story. I'm still excited for a Sixth Season, but I believe in Entertainment Weekly the cast even commented on how they're not too sure how long they want to be doing the show.

Chiasm
03-03-2010, 10:50 PM
Has anybody heard new abouts Smallville? I don't want to see it end at all, but I hope they at least make it to the Ten Season mark.

And I don't really want them to end Supernatural, but I wouldn't have minded if this was the final story. I'm still excited for a Sixth Season, but I believe in Entertainment Weekly the cast even commented on how they're not too sure how long they want to be doing the show.

Supernatural has been renewed though the creative team will be slightly different - Eric Kripke is stepping aside and letting someone else run the show though thats not a real big deal since whoever it is, I forget the name, has been with the show since the first season. Smallville is going to be renewed so long as contracts can be worked out with certain actors - I haven't heard which ones the holdups are with but I'm assuming its Welling since he's the one that matters.

Legato
03-03-2010, 10:52 PM
Has anybody heard new abouts Smallville? I don't want to see it end at all, but I hope they at least make it to the Ten Season mark.

And I don't really want them to end Supernatural, but I wouldn't have minded if this was the final story. I'm still excited for a Sixth Season, but I believe in Entertainment Weekly the cast even commented on how they're not too sure how long they want to be doing the show.

I wouldn't worry about Smallville. It would probably be picked up another season by the time they get close to a Season Finale. Smallville is just one of those shows that might get picked up at the last minute.

Legato
03-03-2010, 10:53 PM
Supernatural has been renewed though the creative team will be slightly different - Eric Kripke is stepping aside and letting someone else run the show though thats not a real big deal since whoever it is, I forget the name, has been with the show since the first season. Smallville is going to be renewed so long as contracts can be worked out with certain actors - I haven't heard which ones the holdups are with but I'm assuming its Welling since he's the one that matters.

I heard that Welling is agreeing on a Tenth Season. The issue probably could be concerning the other cast members.

Since we are talking CW what is the news concerning Vampire Diaries?

Angelo2113
03-04-2010, 12:41 AM
I heard that Welling is agreeing on a Tenth Season. The issue probably could be concerning the other cast members.

Since we are talking CW what is the news concerning Vampire Diaries?

I remember them saying it was returning for a Second Season, I believe it was the first one to be renewed. After all, I remember reading the premier had the highest viewers of all time for the CW, I believe.

Chiasm
03-04-2010, 02:23 AM
I heard that Welling is agreeing on a Tenth Season. The issue probably could be concerning the other cast members.

Since we are talking CW what is the news concerning Vampire Diaries?

Vampire Diaries has been renewed. Its arguably the CW's most popular show right now.

Chiasm
03-05-2010, 05:00 AM
Legend of the Seeker has been cancelled barring some other company picking it up and that appears unlikely.

DonC
03-05-2010, 05:03 AM
Legend of the Seeker has been cancelled barring some other company picking it up and that appears unlikely.


Here's hoping Bridget Regan gets a new job real soon.

Jeff-E
03-05-2010, 07:31 AM
Entertainment Weekly's Mike Ausiello has seperate broadcast and cable scorecards with his odds on various show's chances at survival:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/14/bubble-show-scorecard/#more-6112
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/17/cable-bubble-show-scorecard-ausiello/

Since EW is keeping it updated I figured I'd repost this. Kind of keep people as up to date on renewal's and cancelations as I know how.

Plex
03-05-2010, 09:12 AM
Legend of the Seeker has been cancelled barring some other company picking it up and that appears unlikely.

Well, that's unfortunate. I just rented the first season of this show and have really enjoyed it. I find it more entertaining than the books.

This is something that the SciFi channel should consider picking up. But they won't.

EZMOHR
03-05-2010, 11:48 AM
I guess this is the best place to post it so................

Cougar Town is gonna get cancelled. Well, not the show, that is for sure coming back...but the show is getting a name change. So far, it hasn't been announced what the show will be called, but it will not be Cougar Town next year, as ABC thought it was the wrong title for the show as a lead out of Modern Family.

Anna
03-08-2010, 03:00 PM
Here's another nail in the Num3ers coffin:http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/03/08/pilot-intel-rob-morrow-tells-the-whole-truth-for-abc/

Meanwhile Forgotten fans should be aware that tomorrow night is most likely the last episode.

Chiasm
03-08-2010, 08:35 PM
Legend of the Seeker has been cancelled barring some other company picking it up and that appears unlikely.

Eonline is reporting that Seeker may not be cancelled after all. Regardless an official decision apparently won't come for months now.

Tuan
03-11-2010, 09:58 AM
Haven't gone through this thread but I was thinkin' of The Deep End , decided to do a search, and found out ABC cancelled the show. Argh! I enjoyed the show too. One of the more pleasant new shows this year. I liked the cast too.

On the other hand, I had no doubt Vampire Diaries would be renewed, as it's the CW's best show in my opinion.

bert
03-11-2010, 10:05 AM
Buzz from EW online is that "24" will be cancelled by Monday.

Treqqor
03-11-2010, 10:49 AM
Buzz from EW online is that "24" will be cancelled by Monday.

Yeah, but they're writing the screenplay for the movie now, so "cancelled" has maybe too much of a negative connotation.

More like they'll know by Monday how open ended to make the season/maybe series finale.

The Black Guardian
03-11-2010, 01:50 PM
Haven't gone through this thread but I was thinkin' of The Deep End , decided to do a search, and found out ABC cancelled the show. Argh! I enjoyed the show too. One of the more pleasant new shows this year. I liked the cast too.

On the other hand, I had no doubt Vampire Diaries would be renewed, as it's the CW's best show in my opinion.
Just last week, an ABC rep confirmed The Deep End has not been officially canceled, but it's very likely that it will be.

dupersuper
03-11-2010, 09:34 PM
Yeah, but they're writing the screenplay for the movie now, so "cancelled" has maybe too much of a negative connotation.

More like they'll know by Monday how open ended to make the season/maybe series finale.

A 24 hour movie?

Anna
03-12-2010, 03:07 PM
Ausiello thinks 24 may be sticking around ahile longer... http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/03/12/nbc-24-fox-jack-bauer/

DonC
03-12-2010, 03:12 PM
Nooooooooooooo! Just kill 24. Put it out of its misery.

Jared
03-12-2010, 04:13 PM
My dream scenario would be 24 gets picked up by HBO or Showtime for one or two more seasons, then they end it.

Just imagine what Jack Bauer could do to people without Network Censors breathing down his neck. :evilsmile:

GozertheGozarian
03-12-2010, 04:59 PM
My dream scenario would be 24 gets picked up by HBO or Showtime for one or two more seasons, then they end it.

Just imagine what Jack Bauer could do to people without Network Censors breathing down his neck. :evilsmile:
They can make it even more of a neocon reacharound than it already is.

Treqqor
03-12-2010, 06:11 PM
A 24 hour movie?

Yeah, it's being written by Billy Ray (he wrote "Flightplan" and "State Of Play", I haven't seen either) and the full 24 hour day will take place within the 2-ish hour movie.

HOWEVER...

http://www.dose.ca/tv/Will+Save+from+Cancellation/2676917/story.html

Looks like NBC might be interested in a new season of 24, which would delay the movie as the producers don't want to deal with both the series and the movie at the same time.

Nooooooooooooo! Just kill 24. Put it out of its misery.

Ah. One of THOSE people.
Forced to watch FOX on Monday nights at 9, wishing instead for more "American Idol".

TV shows don't hurt you. Why take something away that might make someone else happy simply because you... what, can't change the channel? Can't go and enjoy an evening out? I'm not understanding this.

DonC
03-12-2010, 06:51 PM
Ah. One of THOSE people.
Forced to watch FOX on Monday nights at 9, wishing instead for more "American Idol".

TV shows don't hurt you. Why take something away that might make someone else happy simply because you... what, can't change the channel? Can't go and enjoy an evening out? I'm not understanding this.


No, I'm one of THOSE people who has watched the show since Day 1 and seen it steadily decline in quality. I'm one of THOSE people who thinks the show has run its course and would like to see the series end so that it doesn't become an even bigger joke. (Seriously, we've reached the point where Kim vs. the bobcat is now considered the good ol' days.)

I am not one of THOSE people who wishes a show would get canceled because I don't like it.

I am also not one of THOSE people who casts aspersions about people I don't know.

Is there anything else you're having trouble understanding?

Treqqor
03-12-2010, 07:20 PM
^^^
You say you want the show cancelled.

Then say you used to like the show, but no longer like it.

And then say you're not a person that wants it cancelled because you don't like it? Why do you wish it to get cancelled again? It has nothing to do with you personally not enjoying it anymore? Nothing at all?

It's too simple to stop watching it that you must actively wish for cancellation? You have a personal investment that if the show becomes a joke, things in your life will change for the worse?

I stopped watching Smallville in season 1. Couldn't stand it.

But I'm glad it's on the air and people are enjoying it. For example.

I hated season 6 of 24. But I didn't wish it to get cancelled. And I'm glad because last year it improved greatly. I'm still not sure about this year, but I certainly don't wish it to get cancelled. If it does, fine. But no wishing involved.

DonC
03-12-2010, 08:47 PM
The show has had a long and (mostly) good run. The quality isn't what it used to be and the show is almost becoming a parody of itself. There's nothing wrong with thinking it's time to end. If you want to think I feel that way because I don't like the show anymore, that's your business. Truth is, I'm more disappointed in what the show has become. It's like seeing a football player who refuses to retire well past his prime.

Anna
03-13-2010, 10:25 AM
Speaking of putting something out of its misery, have we finally seen the end of Scrubs? http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/13/scrubs-canceled/44811

The Black Guardian
03-13-2010, 12:55 PM
Ah. One of THOSE people.
Forced to watch FOX on Monday nights at 9, wishing instead for more "American Idol".

TV shows don't hurt you. Why take something away that might make someone else happy simply because you... what, can't change the channel? Can't go and enjoy an evening out? I'm not understanding this.
You do realize, of course, that if more people thought the way you do, then the series would have been canceled already. Right?

Anyway... the Numb3rs season finale, last night, sure did feel like a series finale. I thought it ended/progressed everyone's stories pretty well.

Treqqor
03-13-2010, 01:23 PM
You do realize, of course, that if more people thought the way you do, then the series would have been canceled already. Right?

Survival of the fittest, how it should be. You don't like something, avoid it.
Something that it seems people have trouble doing in regards to TV and especially comic book reading, it seems!

The Black Guardian
03-13-2010, 02:44 PM
Survival of the fittest, how it should be. You don't like something, avoid it.
Something that it seems people have trouble doing in regards to TV and especially comic book reading, it seems!
That's just it. They do still like it, thus they aren't avoiding it. They just don't like what's being done with it.

And taking your own advice, you shouldn't be complaining about this, since it doesn't hurt you.

Treqqor
03-13-2010, 03:06 PM
That's just it. They do still like it, thus they aren't avoiding it. They just don't like what's being done with it.

And taking your own advice, you shouldn't be complaining about this, since it doesn't hurt you.

Using phrases for a TV show like "Kill it already, put it out of its misery" generally leaves the impression something is not liked.

And no, it doesn't hurt me. But going through thread after thread of complaints about something (not just here, it's internet-wide) gets tiresome when you're looking for information about things and all you seem to get is negative hyperbole. So, yeah, it does get in the way. Doesn't "hurt" me, but it's more pervasive than a show I don't like still airing. It's complaining about things that are impossible to change vs complaining about something directly to the source, really. Big difference.

dupersuper
03-16-2010, 11:08 PM
Using phrases for a TV show like "Kill it already, put it out of its misery" generally leaves the impression something is not liked.

And no, it doesn't hurt me. But going through thread after thread of complaints about something (not just here, it's internet-wide) gets tiresome when you're looking for information about things and all you seem to get is negative hyperbole. So, yeah, it does get in the way. Doesn't "hurt" me, but it's more pervasive than a show I don't like still airing. It's complaining about things that are impossible to change vs complaining about something directly to the source, really. Big difference.

If you're looking for information on a show, just look up an episode guide. If you come to a forum, expect whining.

Jeff-E
03-17-2010, 05:39 PM
So tonight is the Season 9 finale, does anyone know if its also the series finale of Scrubs? I admit, I've really enjoyed this season.

The Zapper
03-17-2010, 06:18 PM
So tonight is the Season 9 finale, does anyone know if its also the series finale of Scrubs? I admit, I've really enjoyed this season.

I liked this season also, and hope it's not canceled, but things don't look good.

Anna
03-17-2010, 07:53 PM
So tonight is the Season 9 finale, does anyone know if its also the series finale of Scrubs? I admit, I've really enjoyed this season.

It's chances are looking as good as those of Num3rs and The Forgotten.

The Black Guardian
03-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Even ABC's website has said Scrubs won't be returning. I really doubt that was a typo.

Jeff-E
03-18-2010, 05:20 PM
Bummer, Wednesdays became awesome, Scrubs, The Middle, Modern Family and Cougar Town. I was really happy with that situation.

comicsmetal
03-23-2010, 03:20 PM
Even ABC's website has said Scrubs won't be returning. I really doubt that was a typo.

It looks like zach braff has said it is over.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b173015_zach_braff_fans_scrubs_no_more.html?utm_so urce=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_topstories

Anna
03-23-2010, 04:20 PM
Til Death has also been laid to rest: http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2010/03/fox-finally-finds-a-way-to-kill-til-death-.html

comicsmetal
03-23-2010, 04:41 PM
Til Death has also been laid to rest: http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2010/03/fox-finally-finds-a-way-to-kill-til-death-.html

Poor brad grarett ,it had its run but it was not as good as his stint on Everybody loves raymond.

kalorama
03-23-2010, 07:05 PM
If you're looking for information on a show, just look up an episode guide. If you come to a forum, expect whining.

True enough, but I still think Treqqor has something of a point.

Everyone has a right to complain, but at a certain point the law of diminishing returns kicks in. Complaining about the decline of a show you once liked is natural and understandable. Continuing to watch it well after it's dropped below your acceptable level of quality is self-defeating, esp. if the only reactions engendered by doing are negative. Wishing for a show to get the ax to spare yourself having to watch its decline is confounding logic at best. If it's so bad that you can no longer stand to watch it, then just stop watching it. And if you already have stopped watching it . . . then what difference does it make to you whether it gets canceled?

The Black Guardian
03-23-2010, 09:34 PM
True enough, but I still think Treqqor has something of a point.

Everyone has a right to complain, but at a certain point the law of diminishing returns kicks in. Complaining about the decline of a show you once liked is natural and understandable. Continuing to watch it well after it's dropped below your acceptable level of quality is self-defeating, esp. if the only reactions engendered by doing are negative. Wishing for a show to get the ax to spare yourself having to watch its decline is confounding logic at best. If it's so bad that you can no longer stand to watch it, then just stop watching it. And if you already have stopped watching it . . . then what difference does it make to you whether it gets canceled?
Obviously, there are those who disagree with you. It's not wishing for a show to get the ax to spare yourself from watching it.

Anna
03-23-2010, 11:04 PM
In my case it's usually watching shows I like get dropped while a lower rated show that I can't stand hangs on because someone at the network has made a commitment to "quality"...

Spydee_Phoenix
03-24-2010, 04:04 AM
It's like a Crisis on Infinite Networks!

Good thing DC isnt in charge or we would have (as you said) Crisis on Infinite Networks and then a few years later Infinite Network Crisis and a few years later the Final Network Crisis.....

Sean Walsh
03-24-2010, 02:05 PM
According to CNN, Zach Braff confirmed it on his Facebook: SCRUBS is done. (http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/24/scrubs-dead-or-alive/)

Shoulda ended last season (with that amazing finale), so now it ends with a whimper instead of a bang. :-/

kalorama
03-24-2010, 09:11 PM
Obviously, there are those who disagree with you. It's not wishing for a show to get the ax to spare yourself from watching it.

That's not what I referred to. I said:

Wishing for a show to get the ax to spare yourself having to watch its decline is confounding logic at best.

That's not the same as just sparing yourself from watching it. And since I was basically quoting what someone else said they wanted to see and why:

No, I'm one of THOSE people who has watched the show since Day 1 and seen it steadily decline in quality. I'm one of THOSE people who thinks the show has run its course and would like to see the series end so that it doesn't become an even bigger joke.

Then clearly there are people who feel that way, even if you don't.

Anna
03-26-2010, 05:19 PM
Looks like 24 and The Forgotten have been made official.: http://www.spoilertv.com/2010/02/spoilertv-tv-renewal-predictions-table_20.html

Legato
03-26-2010, 09:37 PM
Looks like 24 and The Forgotten have been made official.: http://www.spoilertv.com/2010/02/spoilertv-tv-renewal-predictions-table_20.html

Fox cancels another good show? Must be Tuesday

The Black Guardian
03-26-2010, 10:32 PM
Best decision Fox could have made. Sutherland didn't really seem like he was interested in continuing.

EuphemismForSex
03-26-2010, 11:32 PM
Don't watch any of those, but I cried for days when Pushing Daisies was cancelled.
:frown:

Anna
03-26-2010, 11:56 PM
Best decision Fox could have made. Sutherland didn't really seem like he was interested in continuing.

Illness will do that to you; especially if alcohol's involved.

Surtur
03-27-2010, 07:56 AM
Has anyone heard anything about Fringe? Someone told me it was canceled, but then I found out it's getting another season. Then someone told me that it will get another season, but it is canceled after that.

Anyone know anything true about it?

Anna
03-27-2010, 10:10 AM
Has anyone heard anything about Fringe? Someone told me it was canceled, but then I found out it's getting another season. Then someone told me that it will get another season, but it is canceled after that.

Anyone know anything true about it?

According to every site that reports these things it's renewed. As far as next season, time will tell.

This Monday kicks off the final season of Saving Grace.

Treqqor
03-27-2010, 11:34 AM
Has anyone heard anything about Fringe? Someone told me it was canceled, but then I found out it's getting another season. Then someone told me that it will get another season, but it is canceled after that.

Anyone know anything true about it?

From what I've read, FOX understands what it's up against for the Thursday line-up (Thursdays are crazy packed with shows I watch!), so the drop in ratings isn't TOO much of a factor this year and they had no problem renewing it. Which is pretty cool of FOX to acknowledge that!

Anna
03-28-2010, 01:49 PM
TV By The Numbers presents Cancellation Excuse Bingo! http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/27/your-fan-excuse-bingo-card-for-the-upcoming-cancellation-season/45987

kalorama
03-28-2010, 02:53 PM
TV By The Numbers presents Cancellation Excuse Bingo! http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/27/your-fan-excuse-bingo-card-for-the-upcoming-cancellation-season/45987

That's pretty good. But they're missing the "[Network name] hates [show creator's name]" square.

Siddon
03-28-2010, 03:41 PM
Has anyone heard anything about Fringe? Someone told me it was canceled, but then I found out it's getting another season. Then someone told me that it will get another season, but it is canceled after that.

Anyone know anything true about it?

It's future is more set in stone than almost everything else on Fox right now.

Gabe99
04-06-2010, 10:45 PM
From Screen Rant:
TLC Cancels American Chopper; Paul Jr. Getting a Show? (http://screenrant.com/tlc-cancels-american-chopper-aco-44831/)



From THR:
TLC reviving 'American Chopper' (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib2760edf9d29719eaf9d635fe03c6f5d)
TLC is reviving its veteran "American Chopper" franchise.

The canceled series ran for six seasons -- first on Discovery Channel, then on TLC -- with its supposed final episode airing Feb. 11.

But the network has made a deal with the entire Teutul clan that fronts the series, set at motorcycle builder Orange County Choppers in Montgomery, N.Y., for another round.

The news will be announced this week during the network's upfront presentation.

TLC recently made headlines by acquiring Mark Burnett's nature documentary "Sarah Palin's Alaska," and former "Jon & Kate Plus 8" star Kate Gosselin is starring on ABC's "Dancing With the Stars."

Anna
05-12-2010, 03:26 PM
According to articles at http://tvbythenumbers.com/

Lie To Me, Human Target and Chuck will be back; Heroes is out but might get a two hour movie in the future.

Sean Walsh
05-12-2010, 05:34 PM
Wasn't there talk that Lie to Me was in danger a while back? I never thought it was, and good to know that talk is now in the past.

Nice to hear the other 2 are renewed (especially Human Target).

Sean Walsh
05-12-2010, 05:40 PM
Comedy Central has axed THE SARAH SILVERMAN PROGRAM. (http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/comedy-central-cancels-the-sarah-silverman-program/&usg=AFQjCNFgNyufUPIMrvNJQ2Fadra8rT_ysw)

BeastieRunner
05-12-2010, 05:44 PM
Heroes!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo0000000000000OOOOOOOooooo oooooo ... :frown:

Legato
05-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Heroes!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo0000000000000OOOOOOOooooo oooooo ... :frown:

Atleast we might see it return in TV movie form. To be honest Heroes went downhill ever since Season 2. While I personally felt Season 4 was a improvement it wasn't enough to save the show.

Deathstroke
05-12-2010, 06:29 PM
Heroes!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo0000000000000OOOOOOOooooo oooooo ... :frown:

That was my reaction to the idea it might get any more screen time at all.

BeastieRunner
05-12-2010, 06:37 PM
Atleast we might see it return in TV movie form. To be honest Heroes went downhill ever since Season 2. While I personally felt Season 4 was a improvement it wasn't enough to save the show.

I think the writer's strike affected it more than people think.

sHayden
05-13-2010, 02:14 AM
I don't have TV anymore, just Netflix. I don't have to worry about a show being cancelled, but then I find shows I like and realize they only have one to two seasons. Example; Dead Like Me.

Anna
05-13-2010, 01:08 PM
R.I.P. Law & Order http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/nbc-to-cancel-law-order/

On the cable side of things, say goodbye to Sarah Silverman, Z-Rock


http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/archives/2010/05/burn_notices_sa.shtml

and Tiny And Toya http://mediatakeout.com/40768/exclusive_tiny_and_toyas_bet_show_cancelled____ti_ forbids_tiny_from_doing_another_season.html

Sean Walsh
05-13-2010, 05:34 PM
LAW & ORDER gone.......wow.

SVU seems to be safe, as does CI, and (like CSI and NCIS) L&O seems to be going territorial with a L.A. edition to replace the (now late) original.

Anna
05-13-2010, 11:08 PM
Here's some for ABC fans! Romantically Challenged, Better Off Ted, Scrubs, and FlashForward are out,
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/13/abc-cancels-romantically-challenged-scrubs-ted-flashforward/

while V is coming back. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/13/breaking-abc-renews-v/


Meanwhile there is a small chance that L & O can be savedhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100513/ap_en_tv/us_tv_law___order ; but TNT isn't interested http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/05/tnt-law-order-nbc-dick-wolf-time-warner.html

Sean Walsh
05-16-2010, 05:26 PM
May've missed these earlier, but NBC has cancelled MERCY and TRAUMA.

And according to Michael Ausiello (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/16/upfront-cancellation-pickup-buzz-2010/) at EW.com, it's expected that CBS is ending NUMB3RS (as expected), as well as axing COLD CASE and MIAMI MEDICAL.

Anna
05-17-2010, 02:57 AM
May've missed these earlier, but NBC has cancelled MERCY and TRAUMA.

And according to Michael Ausiello (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/16/upfront-cancellation-pickup-buzz-2010/) at EW.com, it's expected that CBS is ending NUMB3RS (as expected), as well as axing COLD CASE and MIAMI MEDICAL.

Totally pissed about Cold Case which has better ratings than Medium.

Sean Walsh
05-17-2010, 07:34 AM
Totally pissed about Cold Case which has better ratings than Medium.

Both shows skew well toward older viewers (though the "big thing" is to get younger viewers), and both are apparently expensive as heck. One of them had to go....and while Medium's gotten more expensive, I guess CBS has to justify buying it from NBC by letting it go on for a while longer (also guessing they do better with younger viewers?)

Sean Walsh
05-17-2010, 07:38 AM
I find it bizarre that ABC renewed Scrubs for a ninth season only to bury it in a crappy timeslot, not promote it, and then not order the back nine.

I enjoyed the ninth season. I looked at it as Scrubs: Med School Season One rather than Scrubs Season Nine. Ah well, at least we got to see JD and Elliot married with a kid on the way.

The renewal of SCRUBS still irks and confuses me.

Ultimately, it RUINED the magnificent season/series finale of Season 8. It had that going against it the moment the rumor of a Season 9 was first seriously mentioned.

Anna
05-17-2010, 09:11 AM
Actually, CBS owns/produces Medium. It was NBC that bought it from them, so when NBC decided to pass on it, CBS decided it bring it into their fold.

I think Medium benefits from being supernatural-themed and works as part of their "spooky Friday" package with Ghost Whisperer. Most young people would be inclined to tune into a show about ghosts than a show about cold cases.

So overall viewership doesn't count because younger viewers matter more than older? BTW Cold Case handily won that demo once football season ended.

Sean Walsh
05-17-2010, 12:20 PM
So overall viewership doesn't count because younger viewers matter more than older? BTW Cold Case handily won that demo once football season ended.

From what I understand, networks like younger viewers because advertisers like younger viewers - because young'uns will spend money with less descretion than older viewers.

In regards to Medium vs. Cold Case, I'm guessing it's the expensive nature of what both shows cost to make - though it's tough to understand why they'd ditch Cold Case if it's doing that much better than Medium.

Joe Rice
05-17-2010, 12:25 PM
People that stay in on Friday nights to watch TV aren't exactly a great demographic as a whole. Friday tends to be a dump night for TV. Put on the shit grandma likes, everyone else is out having fun.

Subotai
05-17-2010, 12:40 PM
Friday Night Lights being the exception to the rule.

Sean Walsh
05-17-2010, 02:05 PM
Friday Night Lights being the exception to the rule.

Speaking of cancelled shows....... :-/

(I forget FNL's specific end date - its current season aired on DirecTV a while ago, and it *might* have some extra episodes on order - but NBC's not ordering any new ones after that.)

The Black Guardian
05-17-2010, 02:37 PM
Totally pissed about Cold Case which has better ratings than Medium.
Cold Case's ratings may have been better, but not by much (only a million or so). For its age, Cold Case should have been doing much better. Canceling it was pretty much euthanasia. Also, I'm pretty sure another season of it would cost more than another season of Medium.

Deathstroke
05-17-2010, 04:17 PM
Both shows skew well toward older viewers (though the "big thing" is to get younger viewers), and both are apparently expensive as heck. One of them had to go....and while Medium's gotten more expensive, I guess CBS has to justify buying it from NBC by letting it go on for a while longer (also guessing they do better with younger viewers?)

I'd think the difference in music licensing rights might play a part in things too.

Knightmare10880
05-17-2010, 06:45 PM
I'd think the difference in music licensing rights might play a part in things too.


The music rights is what's been hurting Cold Case for awhile. I can't believe that the producers of the series didn't work out a deal for DVD releases of the series when they were licensing the music for Cold Case. I'm sad to see it go Kathryn Morris is stunningly beautiful and I think she did a great job as Lily Rush. It was a good series but nothing lasts for ever.

Just don't get me started on canceling Law & Order, the series was doing the best it had in years and is about to go down in history and NBC chokes right before the finish line.

Anna
05-18-2010, 10:27 AM
Friday Night Lights being the exception to the rule. High school jocks? Small Texas town? For me it can't get much shittier.

Cold Case's ratings may have been better, but not by much (only a million or so). For its age, Cold Case should have been doing much better. Canceling it was pretty much euthanasia. Also, I'm pretty sure another season of it would cost more than another season of Medium.


For me, Medium should have been allowed to die last year; but then again I'm not an Arquette fan. As far as expense; CBS just made Charlie Sheen the highest paid actor on TV, and quaranteed his show for two more years.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/18/cbs-cancels-cold-case-miami/

Sean Walsh
05-18-2010, 11:09 AM
CBS's cancellations: Ghost Whisperer, The New Adventures of Old Christine, Gary Unmarried, Cold Case, Miami Medical, Accidentally on Purpose and Numb3rs.

boyhangover
05-18-2010, 11:14 AM
omg....CBS cancelled Ghost Whisperer!!!!!!!! :frown::frown: This is the first cancellation this season that hurts....:frown::frown:

And they kept Medium.

Medium is the better show though.

boyhangover
05-18-2010, 11:15 AM
CBS's cancellations: Ghost Whisperer, The New Adventures of Old Christine, Gary Unmarried, Cold Case, Miami Medical, Accidentally on Purpose and Numb3rs.

New Adventures maybe getting a stay of execution and move to ABC though.

Nevets F
05-18-2010, 12:35 PM
omg....CBS cancelled Ghost Whisperer!!!!!!!! :frown::frown: This is the first cancellation this season that hurts....:frown::frown:

Same here...this one hit hard for me.

Legato
05-18-2010, 12:39 PM
I see Supernatural having one good year left before they finally hang it up. If Smallville makes it to Season 11 it would be a miracle

tv horror
05-18-2010, 12:55 PM
Is there any word on Warehouse 13 as I've just seen about 13 episodes and I like the idea behind the show and it's stars.

mortari
05-18-2010, 01:00 PM
Is there any word on Warehouse 13 as I've just seen about 13 episodes and I like the idea behind the show and it's stars.

starts in july along with eureka,

Sean Walsh
05-18-2010, 01:02 PM
Is there any word on Warehouse 13 as I've just seen about 13 episodes and I like the idea behind the show and it's stars.

It'll be back this July (http://seriesandtv.com/cancelled-shows-2009-warehouse-13-gets-renewed-for-a-new-season-by-syfy/) for its 2nd season.

Pixie_Solanas
05-18-2010, 01:26 PM
omg....CBS cancelled Ghost Whisperer!!!!!!!! :frown::frown: This is the first cancellation this season that hurts....:frown::frown:

This may be the funniest thing i've ever seen on CBR.

Anna
05-18-2010, 01:35 PM
I've lost five shows since last fall; will lose another in June and three of my shows are getting shorter seasons. :frown:

Legato
05-18-2010, 01:38 PM
It is a shame 90210 isn't on the chopping block.

Deathstroke
05-18-2010, 03:58 PM
It is a shame 90210 isn't on the chopping block.

Well, Melrose Place is gone so that's half the battle...

As for me, I'm bummed that CBS is canceling Accidentally on Purpose.

Holacik
05-18-2010, 04:24 PM
As for me, I'm bummed that CBS is canceling Accidentally on Purpose.

My baby Mamma will be upset about this.

Jared
05-18-2010, 04:35 PM
If Ghost Whispher is gone, I'm sure it won't be long before Jennifer Love Hewitt's boobies get another show.

SUPERECWFAN1
05-18-2010, 06:30 PM
I see Supernatural having one good year left before they finally hang it up. If Smallville makes it to Season 11 it would be a miracle

Smallville sticks due to the DVD sales basically. CW keeps it since it does great DVD sales.

At some point Clark will be 40 on Smallville ...debating his life's purpose still. :tongue:

Legato
05-18-2010, 06:33 PM
Smallville sticks due to the DVD sales basically. CW keeps it since it does great DVD sales.

At some point Clark will be 40 on Smallville ...debating his life's purpose still. :tongue:

By the time Clark hits 40 he still wont be able to fly:tongue:

dupersuper
05-18-2010, 10:15 PM
omg....CBS cancelled Ghost Whisperer!!!!!!!!

Fortunately, repeats work just as well if you're just muting it and oggling Loves boobs...

Smallville sticks due to the DVD sales basically. CW keeps it since it does great DVD sales.


I know I have all 9.

That's sickening.

Err, why do you want revamp shows to be cancelled? 90210 sucks without Brenda but the new Melrose Place is awesome. It's a shame they aren't giving it more of a chance, yet they keep crappy Gossip Girl and OTH. Sickening.

You seem easily sickened...

Redem
05-18-2010, 10:23 PM
Smallville sticks due to the DVD sales basically. CW keeps it since it does great DVD sales.

At some point Clark will be 40 on Smallville ...debating his life's purpose still. :tongue:

You know I'm starting to think that in order to make sure the Superman movie get done Warner will just use Stock footage from Smallville and call it a movie

Anna
05-18-2010, 11:20 PM
If Ghost Whispher is gone, I'm sure it won't be long before Jennifer Love Hewitt's boobies get another show.

Some sites believe that she may be taking her boobies and her ghosts to ABC.

Frank
05-19-2010, 12:55 AM
Who watch Ghost Whisperer? Is it the young women or the guys that have a crush on Miss Hewitt's left boob?

Sean Walsh
05-19-2010, 10:28 AM
Who watch Ghost Whisperer? Is it the young women or the guys that have a crush on Miss Hewitt's left boob?

.........wait, why just 1 of them? :confused:

boyhangover
05-19-2010, 10:35 AM
Medium is way better than Ghost Whisperer. Even now years later. Sorry it just is. The three daughters on the show can act rings around JLH.

Anna
05-19-2010, 02:28 PM
Medium is way better than Ghost Whisperer. Even now years later. Sorry it just is. The three daughters on the show can act rings around JLH.

Even with that worthless lump in the lead?

Nevets F
05-19-2010, 02:34 PM
I watch Medium sometimes, and I was happy it got saved by CBS last season. Having said that though, I have always really enjoyed Ghost Whisperer way more.

The Black Guardian
05-19-2010, 02:40 PM
Medium is way better than Ghost Whisperer. Even now years later. Sorry it just is. The three daughters on the show can act rings around JLH.
Unfortunately, Patricia Arquette is 50 times more annoying. I might actually really get into Medium if the mother would die and it became a single dad having to deal with three mini-Medium girls.

Also, the storylines of GW are much, much better.

SUPERECWFAN1
05-19-2010, 03:39 PM
You know I'm starting to think that in order to make sure the Superman movie get done Warner will just use Stock footage from Smallville and call it a movie

Pretty much. I mean is it wrong to cut a show thats clearly ran outta gas since season 6/7 if it makes you lots of money ? I mean love or hate Smallville I can see why CW keeps renewing it.

Some sites believe that she may be taking her boobies and her ghosts to ABC.

Ahhh thats nice....ABC needs shows badly. They are fighting NBC for 3rd.

Believe it or not, some men can watch Ghost Whisperer without being sexist pigs.

Sirrrr....I am offended. I take being a Sexist Pig to be offensive. I am THE SEXIST PIG. Now if JH wants to wear a thong and talk to ghosts....by god I want Ghost Whisperer to stick !

Sean Walsh
05-19-2010, 06:19 PM
Not so much a current cancellation as it is a forewarning of doom to the audience, but SMALLVILLE Season 10 (next season) will be its last. (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b181835_long_superman_smallville_ending_this.html? utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_tv-movies)

Jared
05-19-2010, 07:10 PM
A decade ago, when Smallville, AKA "Dawson's Creek with Superman" was starting, i don't think anyone could have predicted it would outlive the actual Dawson's Creek.


I can't believe a straight man watches Ghost Whisperer for the storylines. I mean, I can tell you what happens in every episode: JLH cries. Every. Episode. :biggrin:

The Black Guardian
05-19-2010, 10:19 PM
I can't believe a straight man watches Ghost Whisperer for the storylines. I mean, I can tell you what happens in every episode: JLH cries. Every. Episode. :biggrin:
That's not a plot, though.

I can tell you what happens in every episode of Medium too: Arquette whines to her boss about a crime, and her boss goes on about needing evidence, and that's a major part of the plot. Medium's plots are completely predictable. The antics of the three kids aren't, and they are actually more interesting than the A-story.
Not so much a current cancellation as it is a forewarning of doom to the audience, but SMALLVILLE Season 10 (next season) will be its last. (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b181835_long_superman_smallville_ending_this.html? utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_tv-movies)
There's not likely to be much commiserating about that.:wink:

Redem
05-19-2010, 10:35 PM
I still remember the argument I had with my twin sis who didn't believe me clark was Superman, because and I quote "he don't wear tight" and she had a crush on the guy

Legato
05-20-2010, 12:49 PM
I might just be on a wait and see when it comes to Smallville. They said Season 8 was supposed to be the end but we have a Season 10 now.

boyhangover
05-20-2010, 05:18 PM
Patricia was hot when the show first started. Medium that is.

Libaax
05-20-2010, 07:32 PM
Smallville sucked for 6,7 seasons really, 10 season is more than enough.

Anna
05-20-2010, 08:14 PM
Smallville sucked for 6,7 seasons really, 10 season is more than enough.

I'm gonna miss Callum Blue; but I hope to see Michael Shanks again.

joemagnum611
05-20-2010, 11:08 PM
Speaking of cancelled shows....... :-/

(I forget FNL's specific end date - its current season aired on DirecTV a while ago, and it *might* have some extra episodes on order - but NBC's not ordering any new ones after that.)

Actually FNL's is getting one last season. It's a shame that no one watched that show. One of of the best on TV.

Anna
05-20-2010, 11:13 PM
Actually FNL's is getting one last season. It's a shame that no one watched that show. One of of the best on TV.

It's hard for me to get past the football theme or the small town setting. It didn't help that NBC canceled several shows that I enjoyed, even though they had higher ratings.

Frank
05-21-2010, 02:33 AM
Patricia was hot when the show first started. Medium that is.

The last time I found her hot was in Lost Highway.

Sean Walsh
05-21-2010, 08:35 AM
I'm gonna miss Callum Blue; but I hope to see Michael Shanks again.

Rewatching Absolute Justice last night, Shanks seems like one of those castings which looks great on paper but then doesn't work as well when the episode is actually done.

Shanks' Hawkman had too much of a Batman voice, and the outfit made it look like it was covering up an out-of-shape actor (he's not, as I recall, which is doubly weird). The b*tching with Ollie was nice, though.

Anna
05-21-2010, 11:59 AM
Rewatching Absolute Justice last night, Shanks seems like one of those castings which looks great on paper but then doesn't work as well when the episode is actually done.

Shanks' Hawkman had too much of a Batman voice, and the outfit made it look like it was covering up an out-of-shape actor (he's not, as I recall, which is doubly weird). The b*tching with Ollie was nice, though.

Yes, I'd prefer that he'd hadn't been killed off Burn Notice; but I'll take him where I can get him. Too many good actors only make sporadic appearances; while a lot of less talented just won't go away....:cool:

joemagnum611
05-22-2010, 10:37 PM
So V gets renewed and FlashForward is canceled? This makes no sense considering that V was consistently bad while FF at least good sometimes

Legato
05-22-2010, 10:41 PM
Rewatching Absolute Justice last night, Shanks seems like one of those castings which looks great on paper but then doesn't work as well when the episode is actually done.

Shanks' Hawkman had too much of a Batman voice, and the outfit made it look like it was covering up an out-of-shape actor (he's not, as I recall, which is doubly weird). The b*tching with Ollie was nice, though.

I still say he should have been Wildcat but he's growing on me as Hawkman, thanks mostly to his interactions with Ollie

TonyStark1012
05-22-2010, 11:16 PM
So V gets renewed and FlashForward is canceled? This makes no sense considering that V was consistently bad while FF at least good sometimes

I agree with you that Flash Forward should be still going and not V, but I honestly thought all the episodes of Flash Forward have been badass.

Legato
05-22-2010, 11:18 PM
If we are lucky FF might get picked up by another network

Blueferret
05-23-2010, 12:42 AM
I agree with you that Flash Forward should be still going and not V, but I honestly thought all the episodes of Flash Forward have been badass.

The end of Flash Forward seems rushed. Of course, when you lose 4 episodes in a season, that happens:mad:

Holacik
05-23-2010, 06:37 AM
Shanks' Hawkman had too much of a Batman voice, and the outfit made it look like it was covering up an out-of-shape actor (he's not, as I recall, which is doubly weird). The b*tching with Ollie was nice, though.

Eh, It kind of fits as Hawkman is an angry dude.