TV Show Cancellation Commiseration

[thwhtGuardian]

The name is pretty famous, multi emmy,other awards winning series thanks to Mirren. Of course everyone doesnt know an old brit crime series in US.

I saw many old fans watching just because of the name in Goodreads, other book sites.

Nothing personal against the series itself. I feel the same about Life on Mars,The Killing and all the rest of american versions of famous foreign tv shows.

It wasn't famous over here though that's the point. It wasn't like Battlestar Galactica where it's legacy status was part of its advertising, Prime Suspect was advertised as if it were an original show because the title had zero name recognition with the American audience.

[kalorama]

It wasn't famous over here though that's the point. It wasn't like Battlestar Galactica where it's legacy status was part of its advertising, Prime Suspect was advertised as if it were an original show because the title had zero name recognition with the American audience.

Exactly. It's a PBS show (at least in the U.S.) that last aired an original episode 5 years ago. Its name doesn't carry a whole lot of cache with prime time audiences.


Nothing personal against the series itself. I feel the same about Life on Mars,The Killing and all the rest of american versions of famous foreign tv shows.

Those shows are even less known in the U.S. than Prime Suspect was. I highly doubt the vast majority of the people who watched either U.S. show had even heard of the original foreign series before the U.S. version came along, let alone actually seen an episode of the originals.

[Libaax]

Exactly. It's a PBS show (at least in the U.S.) that last aired an original episode 5 years ago. It's name doesn't carry a whole lot of cache with prime time audiences.



Those shows are even less known in the U.S. than Prime Suspect was. I highly doubt the vast majority of the people who watched either U.S. show had even heard of the original foreign series before the U.S. version came along, let alone actually seen an episode of the originals.

You cant doub how much you want. People in US can choose to watch BBC America and watch Danish Killing, brit crime shows etc.

Also doesnt matter if they are less known foriegn shows they are still remakes.

Whats hard to understand ? I dont like the idea of remakes becoming hits and creating even more remakes. If Prime Suspect became big like The Office US version, there would be 10 more like it next year.

Agree or not i dont care. Its my opionion of these types of shows. They are creativly lazy.

[thwhtGuardian]

You cant doub how much you want. People in US can choose to watch BBC America and watch Danish Killing, brit crime shows etc.

Also doesnt matter if they are less known foriegn shows they are still remakes.

Whats hard to understand ? I dont like the idea of remakes becoming hits and creating even more remakes. If Prime Suspect became big like The Office US version, there would be 10 more like it next year.

Agree or not i dont care. Its my opionion of these types of shows. They are creativly lazy.

One can dislike remakes all they want, that's fine, but your complaint was specifically that you didn't care for it because it was lazy; in that it was banking on audience recognition and the hype and nostalgia carried over from the original.

None of that was true about Prime Suspect, so your complaint seemed to be wholly fabricated in an attempt to justify your belief.

[edhopper]

The American Office is brilliant and as good in it's own right as the British version.

I assume the reason they used BBC Prime Suspect as a launchpad for the NBC show was it was an easier sale since there was an already established show that was a hit in Britain. The Network sees what the show is about (strong woman detective character lead) and you as a producer get the show on the air. This was a bigger reason than audience recognition.

[Libaax]

One can dislike remakes all they want, that's fine, but your complaint was specifically that you didn't care for it because it was lazy; in that it was banking on audience recognition and the hype and nostalgia carried over from the original.

None of that was true about Prime Suspect, so your complaint seemed to be wholly fabricated in an attempt to justify your belief.

I did say nothing about Prime Suspect itself. I said remakes are lazy idea several times. They shouldnt exist.

They could have created another similar show if they thought it was good enough on its own.

[thwhtGuardian]

This was your exact quote:


Complete different show or not it still needed to the easy marketing, hype, fans who know the old series. Thats why you make any remake. You need the old show, old film someways to sell the new product to viewers.

Im glad remakes dont always work. It was just another new crime show i would have respect for its viewers and not be somewhat glad it got cancelled. But it was never any normal new show. It was one of many remakes that didnt work.

Prime suspect had none of that.

[kalorama]

You cant doub how much you want. People in US can choose to watch BBC America and watch Danish Killing, brit crime shows etc.

And the vast majority of them choose not to, which makes your complaint about American remakes trading on the popularity and name recognition of foreign shows completely invalid, because most of those shows have neither broad popularity nor name recognition in the U.S.

[JCAll]

You cant doub how much you want. People in US can choose to watch BBC America and watch Danish Killing, brit crime shows etc.

BBC America mostly plays reruns of 90s American shows these days.

[Sean Walsh]

Joy Behar's HLN talk show is done. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/after-2-years-joy-behar-is-leaving-hln/)

[Libaax]

And the vast majority of them choose not to, which makes your complaint about American remakes trading on the popularity and name recognition of foreign shows completely invalid, because most of those shows have neither broad popularity nor name recognition in the U.S.

I have said many times now doesnt matter to me if a show is totally unknown in US ,the american version is still a REMAKE. The remake is the issue and not if a show is popular foreign show and old one not as known with US tv viewers.


How hard is to understand i have problem with making US remakes and no matter how known the foreign show is in US.

Thats my final post about the issue. I have made clear why i have problem with the remakes on US tv.

[Frank]

You mean Lie To Me. Cancelled after three seasons. I was a fan.


yea...I watched a few times and thought it was pretty good, especially Roth. that guy is brilliant. I should have watched more, I guess?

[The Cool Thatguy]

yea...I watched a few times and thought it was pretty good, especially Roth. that guy is brilliant. I should have watched more, I guess?

Yes. It's your fault!

[Sean Walsh]

HBO has cancelled (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/hbo-officials-hang-hung-america-bored-death-prep-a-slate-2012-article-1.994458) Hung, Bored to Death and How to Make it in America.

[The Black Guardian]

yea...I watched a few times and thought it was pretty good, especially Roth. that guy is brilliant. I should have watched more, I guess?
If you're a Neilsen Family, then yes, it is your fault and you should sit in the corner for the next season.

If not, then don't sweat it, because your viewing never counts for anything.

[the goddamn batman]

crap, I love Bored to Death.

[Ilash]

crap, I love Bored to Death.

Yeah, me too. That sucks.

[Deathstroke]

The Nate Berkus show and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition have been canceled too.

[DubipR]

HBO has cancelled (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/hbo-officials-hang-hung-america-bored-death-prep-a-slate-2012-article-1.994458) Hung, Bored to Death and How to Make it in America.

I thought Bored was going to finish up like East Bound and Down?
Still, I'm bummed to see Bored to Death hang it up, but with Zach Galafanakis becoming a hot item, Ted Danson on one of the CSI shows, scheduling them and trying to make it work seemed like a cancellation. Will miss them....

[StoneGold]

I thought Bored was going to finish up like East Bound and Down?
Still, I'm bummed to see Bored to Death hang it up, but with Zach Galafanakis becoming a hot item, Ted Danson on one of the CSI shows, scheduling them and trying to make it work seemed like a cancellation. Will miss them....

Yeah. But you know, they got three seasons, which ain't nothing. And the third season... noticeably not as good as the first two. If I'm disappointed about anything, it's seeing if they were going to try and write their way out of the season 3 incest finale.

[Legato]

HBO has cancelled (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/hbo-officials-hang-hung-america-bored-death-prep-a-slate-2012-article-1.994458) Hung, Bored to Death and How to Make it in America.

I thought that show was doing pretty good.

[UKFan]

Complete different show or not it still needed to the easy marketing, hype, fans who know the old series. Thats why you make any remake. You need the old show, old film someways to sell the new product to viewers.

Im glad remakes dont always work. It was just another new crime show i would have respect for its viewers and not be somewhat glad it got cancelled. But it was never any normal new show. It was one of many remakes that didnt work.

I hate the fact you yanks are remaking Misfits.

What is the point of that?

Why not show the current show?

[xnef1025]

I hate the fact you yanks are remaking Misfits.

What is the point of that?

Why not show the current show?
Because when that happens you get Torchwood: Miracle Day... a shadow of it's former show. Count yourself lucky :p

[Treqqor]

I hate the fact you yanks are remaking Misfits.

What is the point of that?

Why not show the current show?

The only way I'll watch the show is if they remake it.
I couldn't understand a single word Kelly ever said (I don't think I'm horrible at understanding most accents) and the whole production came across as a cheesy made-to-be-laughed at (not with) type of show.

A new version that doesn't need characters to be subtitled goes a long way to watching it, plus they're generally not afraid to throw a little more money at something if they believe in it.

It reminds me of an interview I saw with David Cross, he was talking about NBC's "Outsourced" (I think), saying he didn't care how good or bad it is (he wasn't even in it), it's not going to last simply because it's a modern show that doesn't take place in America. American's don't care for modern shows not set at home. I think he makes a good point, which is why it's safer to remake something than to try and import sometimes.

Did I mention subtitles for Kelly?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The Nate Berkus show and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition have been canceled too.

I had heard Oprah produced the Nate Berkus show. That the hope was it would do huge numbers like her show used to do. I guess this is yet another setback for Oprah.


Yeah. But you know, they got three seasons, which ain't nothing. And the third season... noticeably not as good as the first two. If I'm disappointed about anything, it's seeing if they were going to try and write their way out of the season 3 incest finale.

Whoa...what the heck ?

[Superbeast]

I thought that show was doing pretty good.

It was. Average of 4 million. Golden Globe nominee. They'd even set up the next season's premise.

Somehow Enlightened, which gets less viewers, has survived while other more successful shows have been cancelled. No idea how that works out.

[Ugoff]

The only way I'll watch the show is if they remake it.
I couldn't understand a single word Kelly ever said (I don't think I'm horrible at understanding most accents) and the whole production came across as a cheesy made-to-be-laughed at (not with) type of show.

A new version that doesn't need characters to be subtitled goes a long way to watching it, plus they're generally not afraid to throw a little more money at something if they believe in it.

It reminds me of an interview I saw with David Cross, he was talking about NBC's "Outsourced" (I think), saying he didn't care how good or bad it is (he wasn't even in it), it's not going to last simply because it's a modern show that doesn't take place in America. American's don't care for modern shows not set at home. I think he makes a good point, which is why it's safer to remake something than to try and import sometimes.

Did I mention subtitles for Kelly?

I can't remember for sure, but I think I also had problems understanding some of the dialogue, and I watch a lot of British television (MI-5/Spooks, EastEnders, Doc Martin, Doctor Who, Mongrels, etc). I think an American remake could be nice, I just didn't like the UK version. Didn't make sense and didn't flow well, but I digress.

[Frank]

HBO has cancelled (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/hbo-officials-hang-hung-america-bored-death-prep-a-slate-2012-article-1.994458) Hung, Bored to Death and How to Make it in America.

Poor Tom Jane. He was fired from the Stallone movie and now this. I would have hired him as Hawkeye.

[Legato]

Poor Tom Jane. He was fired from the Stallone movie and now this. I would have hired him as Hawkeye.

Dude just cant catch a break:frown:

[Phil Clark]

It was. Average of 4 million. Golden Globe nominee. They'd even set up the next season's premise.

Somehow Enlightened, which gets less viewers, has survived while other more successful shows have been cancelled. No idea how that works out.

You have to weigh the cost of making the show versus the viewership to get the true profitability. On top of which, the subject matter of Hung may have limited which sponsors wanted to advertise during it, where Enlightened may appeal to more sponsors.

[Jared]

Honestly, I'm glad that How to Make it in America is canceled, because it annoyed me to think there were enough people out there actually liking it. It was basically Entourage set in in uninteresting industry and without a Jeremy Piven or Kevin Dillon. So basically, Entourage without the only things that provide some entertainment.
I saw a couple episodes, and other than Lake Bell's breasts, there was absolutely nothing worth watching on the screen.
Seldom has a show made me want to yell "Who the **** cares?!" more often. There are other shows I've hated more, but I understand what their appeal is, even if I doesn't apply to me. Not so, here.

[Sighphi]

Honestly, I'm glad that How to Make it in America is canceled, because it annoyed me to think there were enough people out there actually liking it. It was basically Entourage set in in uninteresting industry and without a Jeremy Piven or Kevin Dillon. So basically, Entourage without the only things that provide some entertainment.
I saw a couple episodes, and other than Lake Bell's breasts, there was absolutely nothing worth watching on the screen.
Seldom has a show made me want to yell "Who the **** cares?!" more often. There are other shows I've hated more, but I understand what their appeal is, even if I doesn't apply to me. Not so, here.

LOL! i Wikied this show and.
Ian Edelman wrote the pilot, which the Entourage crew of Mark Wahlberg, Stephen Levinson, Rob Weiss and Julian Farino are executive producing.

It was basically made by the same people from Entourage....

[StoneGold]

Poor Tom Jane. He was fired from the Stallone movie and now this. I would have hired him as Hawkeye.

That's what he gets for walking around Comic Con with no shoes on.

[the goddamn batman]

...and probably leather chaps.

[StoneGold]

...and probably leather chaps.

No, usually jeans.


Seriously, it's like his thing. I've attended more than a few cons where he's been there, often working the booth next to the RAW booth that he has with Bradstreet, and he just wanders around the con shoe-less.

Last San Diego, I noticed I damn near stepped on a bare foot behind me. I thought "Huh, I probably almost just smooshed Tom Jane's foot." Lo and behold, I had almost just smooshed Tom Jane's foot.

[the goddamn batman]

Weird.

I saw him sporting leather chaps. He was sitting behind the RAW booth so I don't know if he had shoes on.

[Donald M.]

I'm sorry to hear about Bored to Death, really liked that show. Still, like Stone said, it got three seasons and that ain't bad.

Didn't go back to Hung after the first season and never even bothered with How to Make It in America as it never looked interesting to me.

We'll see if any of the six planned new series are any good.

[Libaax]

Im a big Hung fan and i cant believe HBO cancelled a show that was fun, good at being drama comedy. Entourage is over and Hung is cancelled those kind of shows are dead than for me who always liked that type of show.

I thought an acclaimed show with 4 million viewers was safe. Poor Jane he was really good in the lead role.

I saw Enlightened and thought what the heck is this. Only Boardwalk Empire now for me.

[Superbeast]

Im a big Hung fan and i cant believe HBO cancelled a show that was fun, good at being drama comedy. Entourage is over and Hung is cancelled those kind of shows are dead than for me who always liked that type of show.

I thought an acclaimed show with 4 million viewers was safe. Poor Jane he was really good in the lead role.

I saw Enlightened and thought what the heck is this. Only Boardwalk Empire now for me.

Maybe the weakened dollar is making filming Game Of Thrones more expensive and they decided to cut costly safe projects to fund GoT, Boardwalk Empire's increased production costs as well as True Blood's own costs, VEEP, Newsroom and American Gods. Also I assume Luck isn't cheap with Mann and Hoffman on board. So maybe it's a case of knowing when to fold them so as to invest in projects with better prospects. Bored to Death wasn't an international export on the level of The Sopranos and Hung while steady had lost some of it's critical sheen.

[Walsh06]

The only way I'll watch the show is if they remake it.
I couldn't understand a single word Kelly ever said (I don't think I'm horrible at understanding most accents) and the whole production came across as a cheesy made-to-be-laughed at (not with) type of show.

A new version that doesn't need characters to be subtitled goes a long way to watching it, plus they're generally not afraid to throw a little more money at something if they believe in it.

It reminds me of an interview I saw with David Cross, he was talking about NBC's "Outsourced" (I think), saying he didn't care how good or bad it is (he wasn't even in it), it's not going to last simply because it's a modern show that doesn't take place in America. American's don't care for modern shows not set at home. I think he makes a good point, which is why it's safer to remake something than to try and import sometimes.

Did I mention subtitles for Kelly?

money doesnt make a good show and its not their fault if you cant understand a certain english accent. Theres nothing cheesy about the show at all.

[Treqqor]

...and its not their fault if you cant understand a certain english accent.

Which is why they're attempting an American version. Everybody wins! Especially the people who can't understand particular accents. :biggrin:

[Frank]

That's what he gets for walking around Comic Con with no shoes on.

Maybe he just wanted to play Tarzan?

[Surtur]

So perhaps some people have heard of a show called "17th Precinct". It was basically supposed to be a Law and Order/CSI type show, but with magic. A pilot was made, but it didn't get picked up.

So has anyone seen the pilot? I recently got a chance to watch and I have to say I enjoyed it. It wasn't perfect, but it kept me interested. It's a shame nobody wanted to pick it up.

[Vibranium]

I saw it online....was ok

but I could see how the networks would be hesitant about it...you have to trick the unwashed masses into watching stuff like that...Grimm gets away with it because it has a procedural wrapped around it, Once Upon A Time is wrapped in a soap opera

[G. Boney]

Found out recently that Prime Suspect was canceled. I enjoyed it. Ah well...

[The Cool Thatguy]

Found out recently that Prime Suspect was canceled. I enjoyed it. Ah well...

It cost us Kozik!

*sob*

[kalorama]

Found out recently that Prime Suspect was canceled. I enjoyed it. Ah well...

The pilot episode was a disaster, but it improved pretty quickly after that. I like Bello's work in it. Actually, I think the whole cast did some good work.

[Pro]

So perhaps some people have heard of a show called "17th Precinct". It was basically supposed to be a Law and Order/CSI type show, but with magic. A pilot was made, but it didn't get picked up.

So has anyone seen the pilot? I recently got a chance to watch and I have to say I enjoyed it. It wasn't perfect, but it kept me interested. It's a shame nobody wanted to pick it up.

I wasn't quite sure what to think of it. Kinda odd seeing so many of my favorite BSG actors in a very different role.
I could go along with the spells, the "magic guns" and the magically moving cars were a bit much for me though, little too silly.
Also couldn't get my eyes off the woman with the badly facelifted cheeks ..

I felt like they hadn't quite made up their minds yet about what tone to set with the series.

[Surtur]

I wasn't quite sure what to think of it. Kinda odd seeing so many of my favorite BSG actors in a very different role.
I could go along with the spells, the "magic guns" and the magically moving cars were a bit much for me though, little too silly.
Also couldn't get my eyes off the woman with the badly facelifted cheeks ..

I felt like they hadn't quite made up their minds yet about what tone to set with the series.

I also kept thinking one of the main cops was Carter from Eureka, but with really bad sideburns. It didn't help that his partner was a guy who actually used to be on the show Eureka.

[Vibranium]

so what is the over/under on Work It getting the ax?

I say 4 episodes

[Phil Clark]

Missed the premiere, saw the second episode... I live in St. Louis and am wondering why they decided to base the show in St. Louis. I would spot these to faux women in a second. They should have looked at the two guys in drag and said "forget it, we don't have a show". Better actors who have better makeup would do a better job.

[Vibranium]

looks aside...Im not sure this kind of comedy works anymore

but that is just my humble opinion

[icctrombone]

Men of a certain age was cancelled. I really enjoyed that show.

[Vibranium]

it was ok....got a little too morose at times without balancing out, and I think that is what killed it

[The Dog]

Don't know if it's been mentioned before on this thread, but Deadliest Warrior on Spike has been cancelled.:frown:

Apparently Spike has some kind of problem with success, considering it's one of their highest-rated shows. Or maybe they just want the time slot for yet another shitty 'reality' show on TV about people going through other people's storage for 'deals' and crap like that.

[Vibranium]

Don't know if it's been mentioned before on this thread, but Deadliest Warrior on Spike has been cancelled.:frown:

Apparently Spike has some kind of problem with success, considering it's one of their highest-rated shows. Or maybe they just want the time slot for yet another shitty 'reality' show on TV about people going through other people's storage for 'deals' and crap like that.

I much preferred Fight Science to Deadliest Warrior.....the show was decent but it was basically ren fair rejects taking fan fiction way too seriously

[Kirayoshi]

so what is the over/under on Work It getting the ax?

I say 4 episodes

Not even. Gone in two. (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/01/work-it-gets-laid-off-but-no-cougar-town-quite-yet.html)

Thus supporting the theory that God is just and benevolent.

[Vibranium]

indeed....and balance is restored to the universe

[JCAll]

Don't know if it's been mentioned before on this thread, but Deadliest Warrior on Spike has been cancelled.:frown:

Apparently Spike has some kind of problem with success, considering it's one of their highest-rated shows. Or maybe they just want the time slot for yet another shitty 'reality' show on TV about people going through other people's storage for 'deals' and crap like that.

Sure. After all if One Life to Live went down, nothing is sacred.

[The Dog]

Sure. After all if One Life to Live went down, nothing is sacred.

10-to-1 says they replace One Life to Live with a show about people looting storage buildings. Or another show about hired thugs who essentially steal cars from people with financial problems and are assholes about it.

[Vibranium]

10-to-1 says they replace One Life to Live with a show about people looting storage buildings. Or another show about hired thugs who essentially steal cars from people with financial problems and are assholes about it.

hey hey....I have a buddy who is a repo guy and those shows are not representative of the industry as a whole

but they are funny

[GavinR]

Sure. After all if One Life to Live went down, nothing is sacred.

I have an old friend who works in the Soap Opera industry. Last time I talked to him he said that the whole daytime industry pretty much knows that Soaps are basically on life support at this point. It is far cheaper to produce talk shows and also just plain easier to do.

[JCAll]

I have an old friend who works in the Soap Opera industry. Last time I talked to him he said that the whole daytime industry pretty much knows that Soaps are basically on life support at this point. It is far cheaper to produce talk shows and also just plain easier to do.

Yeah, I expect them to have all died out in a year or 2. Replaced by nothing of value. But give it a decade or 2, they'll be back.

[xgeek52]

i gotta admit i was not overly impressed with the final chapter of oltl, though it's send off was a lot classier than amc...

as for work it -- if god had been benevolent, the bloody show wouldn't have seen the light of day...

[Vibranium]

i gotta admit i was not overly impressed with the final chapter of oltl, though it's send off was a lot classier than amc...

as for work it -- if god had been benevolent, the bloody show wouldn't have seen the light of day...

yea AMC got a little weird with their finale, but it was still cool to see as many characters as they could cram in there

[Howard Allan]

I have an old friend who works in the Soap Opera industry. Last time I talked to him he said that the whole daytime industry pretty much knows that Soaps are basically on life support at this point. It is far cheaper to produce talk shows and also just plain easier to do.

Maybe we'll get the return of the gameshows.

[GavinR]

Maybe we'll get the return of the gameshows.

That has been already going on for some time but it is different these days. Back during the heyday of daytime game shows, they were all pretty much network supported and programmed. Now, they are almost always syndicated. There are also so many "Judge" shows still around at this point. Daytime TV has turned into just talk shows and syndication programming.

Anyways, Soap Operas are absolutely dying off and will not return in the way they used to be. Networks have so many cheaper alternatives to Soaps at this point. Also, there is no real way to re-air the episodes and make any significant amount of money on them. There is a Soap cable channel but most of their programming now is stuff like 90210 or The Gilmore Girls.

"Reality TV" has taken over the outrageous serial storyline programming that people used to watch Soap Operas for. The Real Housewives of... is what they watch now. Put a fork in daytime Soaps because they are so done at this point.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Don't know if it's been mentioned before on this thread, but Deadliest Warrior on Spike has been cancelled.:frown:

Apparently Spike has some kind of problem with success, considering it's one of their highest-rated shows. Or maybe they just want the time slot for yet another shitty 'reality' show on TV about people going through other people's storage for 'deals' and crap like that.

Nah , Bar Rescue is on tap ! More or likely Spike will hand that hour to Bischoff/Hervey to do more shows. Bischoff is seemingly their go to guy for programming now.


10-to-1 says they replace One Life to Live with a show about people looting storage buildings. Or another show about hired thugs who essentially steal cars from people with financial problems and are assholes about it.


I have an old friend who works in the Soap Opera industry. Last time I talked to him he said that the whole daytime industry pretty much knows that Soaps are basically on life support at this point. It is far cheaper to produce talk shows and also just plain easier to do.

Back in the late 90's I remember the writer who used to do "Days of Our Lives" and he had a new show. In the interview he detailed that when he got the head writers job at Days , he was told... well things are slowly dying out and there isn't much we can do.

So he sit down and discussed things and then decided to "Go Outside the Box" thinking and pitched the Devil storyline and the entire clone deal with Stefano. The entire thing was so fucking out there it exploded . But as he claimed , he was looking for something new and drastic to do for the show and it worked.

Once he left , the elements he brought was slowly phased out. But he took his over the top crazy to that show he was on.

[Jared]

I wouldn't have thought Deadliest Warrior cost a lot to make. WTF happened?

[The Black Guardian]

Back in the late 90's I remember the writer who used to do "Days of Our Lives" and he had a new show. In the interview he detailed that when he got the head writers job at Days , he was told... well things are slowly dying out and there isn't much we can do.

So he sit down and discussed things and then decided to "Go Outside the Box" thinking and pitched the Devil storyline and the entire clone deal with Stefano. The entire thing was so fucking out there it exploded . But as he claimed , he was looking for something new and drastic to do for the show and it worked.

Once he left , the elements he brought was slowly phased out. But he took his over the top crazy to that show he was on.
Yeah, Passions crept on, despite horrible ratings, for 7 years. James Reilly did eventually come back to Days, with a really horrible story that earned him a lot of rants, and put ratings into an almost freefall.

[GavinR]

Yeah, Passions crept on, despite horrible ratings, for 7 years. James Reilly did eventually come back to Days, with a really horrible story that earned him a lot of rants, and put ratings into an almost freefall.

The thing was that Passions came off as a parody of Soap Operas so people would watch it as a "tongue-in-cheek" type of show. It was almost like the writers were saying "Yes, this is how bad the genre has gotten". So you knew that and just watched it to laugh at how absurd it was.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yeah, Passions crept on, despite horrible ratings, for 7 years. James Reilly did eventually come back to Days, with a really horrible story that earned him a lot of rants, and put ratings into an almost freefall.

According to wiki...

NBC was threatening to cancel Days of Our Lives since ratings platooned badly after he left. Reilly was asked if he could return and fix the show by 2003. He returned and did that storyline.

[edhopper]

Found out recently that Prime Suspect was canceled. I enjoyed it. Ah well...

They are showing two more episodes this Sunday night. DVR it if you are a Giants or Niners fan.

[Vibranium]

that and The Chicago Code did not get a fair shake....I really liked Chicago Code too

[Vibranium]

so Pan Am finally finished up last night...anyone watch this show?

[Deathstroke]

Fox has cancelled Alcatraz and The Finder while renewing Touch.

[Vibranium]

The Finder was quirky, but works better as an occasional guest character on Bones as opposed to its own show

[Phil Clark]

Fox has cancelled Alcatraz and The Finder while renewing Touch.

Great, another good show that ends with a cliffhanger never to be resolved. Thanks again Fox. :evilangry:

[Vibranium]

if you're talking about Alcatraz...that show was way too windy for network tv

and like I said in another thread...Fox says YES when pretty much everyone else says NO, so there are a lot of shows that would have never seen the light of day if it wasn't for FOX

[Phil Clark]

True, but they also are WAY too quick to cancel shows as well. Alcatraz was good. I want to see more or at least get a wrap up episode to just not have it be a big FU to the fans of the show.

[Vibranium]

but most every network is like that...once word comes down, everything stops

I remember reading about the cancellation of "Lone Star", they were in the middle of shooting an episode, suits came down, said you're done and that was that

[Vibranium]

Cougar Town moving to TBS, and rumor has it Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, and Community are on the way out

[Michael P]

Fox says YES when pretty much everyone else says NO

And then they say, "Just kidding! No!"

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Cougar Town moving to TBS, and rumor has it Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, and Community are on the way out

30 Rock will get renewed. They just worked out a deal for Baldwin to wrap the show next season. Parks and Rec and Community likely aren't as safe.

[thenerdal]

Surprised Fringe is still not cancelled. Love the show, need to catch up again.

[Vibranium]

Fringe just got renewed for a fifth and FINAL season last week

[AdamYJ]

The Finder was quirky, but works better as an occasional guest character on Bones as opposed to its own show

That would be weird, considering how The Finder was based on a character in a series of mystery novels. I know there was a backdoor pilot on Bones, but Walter Sherman was meant to be his own thing.

Anyway, I loved The Finder. That was my kind of show. Funny and quirky without being overly weird. I'm going to miss that show.

[thenerdal]

Fringe just got renewed for a fifth and FINAL season last week

Oh my. THANK YOU FOX! Now when does the current season end so I can start catching up? Problem is, I forgot where I ended.

[Deathstroke]

Fox has canceled Breaking In and I Hate My Teenage Daughter.

[Vibranium]

oh jeez....Breaking In got the ax....again

color me surprised

[Superbeast]

Again?

Well to be fair they lost two more of the original cast in the first couple of episodes and Megan Mulally is starting to resemble and albino Dame Edna so they didn't help themselves with that change of M.O.

[The Zapper]

I will rage for a year and a day if Parks and Rec gets cancelled.

[Vibranium]

wouldn't surprise me if it did...it kind of limped along last year

[gryhpon]

Community will likely get a short season since it only needs a small ammount of episodes for syndication and Sony is known for pushing series to syndication.

[StoneGold]

I will rage for a year and a day if Parks and Rec gets cancelled.

If it does, it's after getting a half-order next season.


Keep in mind, for the last year or two, the pattern has been NBC tries to bring in new shows to replace ones barely performing, new shows do even worst, barely performing shows get renewed. See: Chuck.

[gryhpon]

Community will likely get a short season since it only needs a small ammount of episodes for syndication and Sony is known for pushing series to syndication.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nbc-renews-community-323145

Yep. Its been renewed for 13 episodes.

[Jared]

I never saw Teenage Daughter. Jaime Pressly should just become a semi-regular on Raising Hope. Unless that's cancelled too.

[Vibranium]

Raising Hope actually does quite well

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I never saw Teenage Daughter. Jaime Pressly should just become a semi-regular on Raising Hope. Unless that's cancelled too.

Its been renewed. Garcia has been wanting to revive My Name is Earl and tried working a deal with Fox 2-3 years ago. Almost all the ex-Earl cast members have done guest spots on the show and it takes place in Camden County where Earl did. Hopefully he gets that done and we can see Hope/Earl do unique crossovers.

[Vibranium]

Castle Renewed for a 5th season

[Legato]

Castle Renewed for a 5th season

Yes! Good news!

[Simbob4000]

Castle Renewed for a 5th season

I really like Castle, but this season was incredibly weak.

[dupersuper]

Oh my. THANK YOU FOX! Now when does the current season end so I can start catching up? Problem is, I forgot where I ended.

The season finale is this Friday, I believe. Hey, that's tonight.

[gryhpon]

Im hearing that Whitney has been renewed for a full season. WTF NBC??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the goddamn batman]

Well after cutting other good shows down to short final seasons they have to put something on the air.

[gryhpon]

Well after cutting other good shows down to short final seasons they have to put something on the air.

Why get rid of the good stuff and keep the crap?

[Legato]

Why get rid of the good stuff and keep the crap?

Thats how the majority of the networks roll sadly

[gryhpon]

Thats how the majority of the networks roll sadly

Ive heard she is in a relationship with an NBC higher up. Thats the only explanation I can think of. The show is critically derided and has low ratings.

[Kalen O.]

NBC's always had a tendency to give far more leeway to their favorite creators than most networks. Sometimes that works out well for viewers. Sometimes it works out very very poorly.

[Deathstroke]

Here's the latest round of cancellations.

Are You There, Chelsea?
Awake
Bent
Best Friends Forever
Ringer
Secret Circle
Harry's Law

[Legato]

Here's the latest round of cancellations.

Are You There, Chelsea?
Awake
Bent
Best Friends Forever
Ringer
Secret Circle
Harry's Law

Poor poor SMG

[Frank]

That would be weird, considering how The Finder was based on a character in a series of mystery novels. I know there was a backdoor pilot on Bones, but Walter Sherman was meant to be his own thing.

Anyway, I loved The Finder. That was my kind of show. Funny and quirky without being overly weird. I'm going to miss that show.

Problem I see these days is ether we have stupid sitcoms or dramatic shows that are overly in their drama and bleakness. Finder was a show that wasn't a sitcom, you can enjoy watching it without it being too heavy like a modern day Magnum PI. It seems like these type of shows have trouble grabbing an audience these days. The other show with Mark Valley had the same misfortune. Unfortunetly it's the type of shows I want to watch. Castle is similar but it's too much about the guy-girl dynamic and "will they or not"? Also Finder gave Geoff Stults finally his own show for the first time.

[dupersuper]

Harry's Law

Nnnooooooo!!!

[Siddon]

Well after cutting other good shows down to short final seasons they have to put something on the air.

Only 30 Rock is getting a final season order, Community may be a mid season replacement. Based on the shows NBC has picked up so far I don't see to many sitcom hits so I would be fairly confident that provided they resign Harmon Community will go #6 seasons and a movie.

[Alex]

Isn't NBC in last place among the networks by a large margin?

[kane]

I really like Castle, but this season was incredibly weak.

Yep. The lowest point was the episode with the CIA and the world saving, imo. But the last episodes were at least decent, so there is hope.

[Deathstroke]

The official cancellations have come from ABC for The River, Pan Am, GCB and Missing.

[Vibranium]

The official cancellations have come from ABC for The River, Pan Am, GCB and Missing.

I liked GCB...ah well

[Nate Grey]

Nnnooooooo!!!

Ya know, i'd say/feel the same way...if it was cancelled after the first season. The first season was pretty much perfect. But this season, its like Kelly wanted a Boston Legal clone or something. Watching it this season became a chore for me, whereas last season it was fun and I looked forward to every episode.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Isn't NBC in last place among the networks by a large margin?

NBC's downfall could be traced to the Jay Leno experiment . That crippled the network pretty big . It also pissed off producers like John Wells who watched as NBC shelved his Southland (he took it to TNT instead) . In all they have themselves to blame and its gonna take some dynamic programming choices to turn things around.

[Vibranium]

NBC is in last place most nights, except during football season

[Legato]

Just curious what network is in 1st place?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Harry's Law

They cancelled Boston Legal again? Nooo!

[Vibranium]

Just curious what network is in 1st place?

usually CBS most nights of the week, except for nights American Idol and Dancing With the Stars is on

[7thangel]

who the hell is watching suburgatory? i can't believe this weak show has been renewed

[Saturius]

Hey, I like Suburgatory. But as long as ABC renews Happy Endings, I'm good.

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Poor poor SMG

She's pregnant at the moment. I don't think she'll be overly concerned about working so much.

However, I'm sure she'll be back.

[Godlike13]

That would be weird, considering how The Finder was based on a character in a series of mystery novels. I know there was a backdoor pilot on Bones, but Walter Sherman was meant to be his own thing.

Anyway, I loved The Finder. That was my kind of show. Funny and quirky without being overly weird. I'm going to miss that show.

LoL, me too. I liked that show.

[Superbeast]

She's pregnant at the moment. I don't think she'll be overly concerned about working so much.

However, I'm sure she'll be back.

Given her age and inability to keep a show based around her alive, I don't think she'll get too many more opportunities in the future unless she is willing to settle as a recurring sitcom character rather than a lead. Her star had fell in the last 10 years.

Amanda Seyfried has more or less taken her spot as quirky blonde actress. Amber Heard is the new bombshell these days... it's not like she's Julianne Moore in terms of talent. I think her time has passed her by and she failed to play the game like Alyson Hannigan to sustain her career viability and options by not acting like a precious egotistical moron when she did have her time in the limelight.

[Legato]

Given her age and inability to keep a show based around her alive, I don't think she'll get too many more opportunities in the future unless she is willing to settle as a recurring sitcom character rather than a lead. Her star had fell in the last 10 years.

Amanda Seyfried has more or less taken her spot as quirky blonde actress. Amber Heard is the new bombshell these days... it's not like she's Julianne Moore in terms of talent. I think her time has passed her by and she failed to play the game like Alyson Hannigan to sustain her career viability and options by not acting like a precious egotistical moron when she did have her time in the limelight.

Even Hannigan on How I Met Your Mother has been outshined by Neil Patrick Harris

[Superbeast]

Even Hannigan on How I Met Your Mother has been outshined by Neil Patrick Harris

It's not about being outshone, it's about the fact Alyson Hannigan puts business before her ego and didn't mind being part of an ensemble cast as long as she got paid well in the process, she didn't mind doing TV and movies equally since money is money. She worked herself ragged filming American Pie 2 and Buffy concurrently, only getting 2-3 hours sleep as she rushed between sets and set ups for each project. Gellar on the other hand apparently was difficult to work with for the last two seasons of Buffy and didn't even attend the wrap party because she was so convinced she was going to have a A list career as a serious actress and in the end her attitude didn't do her any favours.

[Nate Grey]

They cancelled Boston Legal again? Nooo!

lol yeah, kinda my point earlier. I don't get why Kelly revamped the show from its original premise. It was a bit implausible, sure, but still fun.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

She's pregnant at the moment. I don't think she'll be overly concerned about working so much.

However, I'm sure she'll be back.

I am sure she is happy to have the show cancelled and not have to work around her pregnancy really. She can likely return to a TV series when she wants.

[Surtur]

It's not about being outshone, it's about the fact Alyson Hannigan puts business before her ego and didn't mind being part of an ensemble cast as long as she got paid well in the process, she didn't mind doing TV and movies equally since money is money. She worked herself ragged filming American Pie 2 and Buffy concurrently, only getting 2-3 hours sleep as she rushed between sets and set ups for each project. Gellar on the other hand apparently was difficult to work with for the last two seasons of Buffy and didn't even attend the wrap party because she was so convinced she was going to have a A list career as a serious actress and in the end her attitude didn't do her any favours.

Gellar kind of reminds me of Topher Grace, who also apparently didn't attend the wrap party for the show and just left.

[Vibranium]

well Gellar had been in semi retirement before doing The Ringer anyway, so im sure she'll disappear for a while and show up elsewhere

[Libaax]

LoL, me too. I liked that show.

Me too, i knew it was doomed because it was funny,quirky and different lead character. If it wasnt Fox it would have had a chance to survive.

[Vibranium]

Me too, i knew it was doomed because it was funny,quirky and different lead character. If it wasnt Fox it would have had a chance to survive.

I call bullshit on that assumption...what other network would that show have succeeded on? the CW maybe

like I said....FOX says yes, when most every other network says NO...a fair amount of shows would have never seen the light of day...Firefly among them

[Libaax]

I call bullshit on that assumption...what other network would that show have succeeded on? the CW maybe

like I said....FOX says yes, when most every other network says NO...a fair amount of shows would have never seen the light of day...Firefly among them

Yeah its not given of course it would survive on other networks but they are too quick to dump new shows. Finder kind of shows survive on smaller cable channels,CW,Showtime etc

Firefly is the worst example you could have used. A show they showed the eps out of order. Im not saying that because they were blind to see that show became cult hit and big DVD seller in europe.

[Vibranium]

Yeah its not given of course it would survive on other networks but they are too quick to dump new shows. Finder kind of shows survive on smaller cable channels,CW,Showtime etc

Firefly is the worst example you could have used. A show they showed the eps out of order. Im not saying that because they were blind to see that show became cult hit and big DVD seller in europe.

well considering (if you look at the big 4 networks) there is a big disparity in primetime numbers....shows like NCIS, Castle, Hawaii Five-0 do 10+ million viewers weekly, while the only steady hit Fox has is American Idol...24 did OK, but thats gone now...Bones performs well for them, that is one of the shows they can rely on

sometimes things catch, and sometimes they don't....and most all networks are pretty quick to drop the ax if the show isn't performing....during the 90s, CBS had a ton of various sitcoms and comedies that were getting yanked after 4 or 6 episodes

[The Black Guardian]

who the hell is watching suburgatory? i can't believe this weak show has been renewed

Hey, I like Suburgatory. But as long as ABC renews Happy Endings, I'm good.
I started out liking it. However, I got really confused about what message they were trying to send. Are they riffing on the shallowness of suburbia, or are gay people really evil monsters? Because most of the time, the main character ultimately admits that the shallow, homophobic suburban life is the way to be. And that rubs me really wrongly. And on a network like ABC, it seems really creepy. Like Stepford Wives creepy. It seems like the story of one girl's systematic indoctrination to a way of life I find sinister... and that's not something I want to watch.

So anyway, after quite a few episodes, I stopped watching and didn't look back.

[Vibranium]

I started out liking it. However, I got really confused about what message they were trying to send. Are they riffing on the shallowness of suburbia, or are gay people really evil monsters? Because most of the time, the main character ultimately admits that the shallow, homophobic suburban life is the way to be. And that rubs me really wrongly. And on a network like ABC, it seems really creepy. Like Stepford Wives creepy. It seems like the story of one girl's systematic indoctrination to a way of life I find sinister... and that's not something I want to watch.

So anyway, after quite a few episodes, I stopped watching and didn't look back.

it's easy for people to live that way...don't have to think too hard

[Deathstroke]

TVGuide.com is reporting that CSI: Miami will be canceled.

[Chiasm]

It's not about being outshone, it's about the fact Alyson Hannigan puts business before her ego and didn't mind being part of an ensemble cast as long as she got paid well in the process, she didn't mind doing TV and movies equally since money is money. She worked herself ragged filming American Pie 2 and Buffy concurrently, only getting 2-3 hours sleep as she rushed between sets and set ups for each project. Gellar on the other hand apparently was difficult to work with for the last two seasons of Buffy and didn't even attend the wrap party because she was so convinced she was going to have a A list career as a serious actress and in the end her attitude didn't do her any favours.

SMG was away filming Scooby Doo 2 when the wrap party happened. I don't know that she could have been there if she wanted. What I did hear was that a lot of other cast members were happy to not have her there.

[Chiasm]

Firefly is the worst example you could have used. A show they showed the eps out of order. Im not saying that because they were blind to see that show became cult hit and big DVD seller in europe.

Firefly would have failed regardless. I love the show but straight up Sci Fi = dismal ratings. Seriously, name the last straight up Sci-Fi show to get even average ratings on TV - you would probably have to go back to Star Trek: The Next Generation and that was 20 years ago. The only networks Firefly might have succeeded on would have been the WB (called CW now) and Sci Fi because they expect putrid ratings. Some shows like Lost succeeded by hiding the fact they were sci fi but its ratings plummeted the more sci fi it got. And since then nearly every show thats tried to copy Lost in some way has failed (Terra Nova, Alcatraz, Invasion, Flash Forward, etc) Being a cult favorite means nothing. The new Battlestar Galactica was a critical and cult favorite and its ratings stunk to high heaven. It ended after four seasons because even Sci Fi with its extreme low expectations couldn't justify keeping it around given its putrid ratings so they told the showmakers that season four would be the last.

Genre TV, especially Sci Fi, will usually no longer succeed on network TV. Consider the current darling of Genre TV: Game of Thrones. Take its numbers and put it on a network channel and its cancelled midway through the first season. Supernatural and Vampire Diaries keep going because they are on the CW and their ratings are only good by comparison to other CW shows. Fringe survives because JJ Abrams apparently has dirty pictures of some Fox exec (Fringe is my favorite current show by the way so I'm not bashing, I'm just acknowledging that its baffling how its horrid ratings got it a 4th let alone a 5th season).

[Libaax]

Firefly would have failed regardless. I love the show but straight up Sci Fi = dismal ratings. Seriously, name the last straight up Sci-Fi show to get even average ratings on TV - you would probably have to go back to Star Trek: The Next Generation and that was 20 years ago. The only networks Firefly might have succeeded on would have been the WB (called CW now) and Sci Fi because they expect putrid ratings. Some shows like Lost succeeded by hiding the fact they were sci fi but its ratings plummeted the more sci fi it got. And since then nearly every show thats tried to copy Lost in some way has failed (Terra Nova, Alcatraz, Invasion, Flash Forward, etc) Being a cult favorite means nothing. The new Battlestar Galactica was a critical and cult favorite and its ratings stunk to high heaven. It ended after four seasons because even Sci Fi with its extreme low expectations couldn't justify keeping it around given its putrid ratings so they told the showmakers that season four would be the last.

Genre TV, especially Sci Fi, will usually no longer succeed on network TV. Consider the current darling of Genre TV: Game of Thrones. Take its numbers and put it on a network channel and its cancelled midway through the first season. Supernatural and Vampire Diaries keep going because they are on the CW and their ratings are only good by comparison to other CW shows. Fringe survives because JJ Abrams apparently has dirty pictures of some Fox exec (Fringe is my favorite current show by the way so I'm not bashing, I'm just acknowledging that its baffling how its horrid ratings got it a 4th let alone a 5th season).

Its old news hit for cable its 3-4 million viewers, specially small time cable. Game of Thrones is viewers hit and critical hit. It is not 20 million kind hit channel.

SF is often on cable because you can survive on few million viewers. Supernatural,Vampires Diaries, Smallville is big hit for CW level.

There would only be CSI crap on tv if you only went after major network numbers. No other genre shows would survive.

Its old news what you are saying. SF is less popular on tv these days because of their quality. Its not Stargate, BSG,4400 days.

[Kalen O.]

Oy. Let's not play the 'blame ratings on genre' game. Especially not if you have to twist facts to make your case. Viewers have no problem with genre television when done well. The only problem is when network execs and others with mindsets similar to you act like genre is something to be ashamed of, assuming on behalf of viewers that they have a problem with it, when really, the average American is perfectly happy with genre fare. I mean, come on....'shows like Lost succeeded by hiding the fact they were sci fi but ratings plummeted the more sci fi it got'? No. Every single viewer knew it was a paranormal show from the second the smoke monster showed up in the pilot. Sure, the show's success had a lot to do with the strength of its characters rather than hard sci-fi concepts, but that has nothing to do with hiding genre, and everything to do with good storytelling. Ratings dropped because the storytelling got unnecessarily convoluted in places, and people didn't have confidence the show knew where it was going. Nothing to do with its genre.

Heroes was very successful its first season. Ratings dropped because the quality dropped. The interest in its premise and subject matter was definitely there though. And so on and so on. The problem isn't that network audiences don't want to see genre fare. Bad TV is just bad TV, no matter its genre. For every sci-fi flop, I can easily name a derivative procedural that was shuffled off the air just as fast.

And sorry, but no matter how you spin it, Game of Thrones is a success. That's why its renewed and gets the buzz it gets. True Blood is a success. The Walking Dead is a success. The Vampires Diaries is a success. You can qualify all you want, but these shows perform to and above their expectations, and that's all that matters.

*Shrugs* You're not the only one who seems to think the average American has no interest in genre material, but I really don't get where people get that idea, especially when the most successful and talked about movies of the past several years are all superhero movies, except for when they're sci-fi or fantasy (Prometheus is as hard sci-fi as it gets, and its one of the most anticipated movies of the summer, even from people who have no idea its related to the ALIENS franchise, and you have no idea how many teenage girls are looking forward to Snow White and the Huntsman).

People have no problem with fantasy and sci-fi. They just want it to be GOOD fantasy and sci-fi.

[supergirls_pal]

NBC is in last place most nights, except during football season

Serves them right for not greenlighting David E Kelley's Wonder Woman show. :evilsmile:

[Vibranium]

Serves them right for not greenlighting David E Kelley's Wonder Woman show. :evilsmile:

from what I hear, that pilot was garbage....most everyone passed on it

[Legato]

Serves them right for not greenlighting David E Kelley's Wonder Woman show. :evilsmile:

Glad it got cancelled. It was a piece of crap

[Deathstroke]

CBS has canceled Unforgettable, Rob and NYC 22.

[Chiasm]

Oy. Let's not play the 'blame ratings on genre' game. Especially not if you have to twist facts to make your case. Viewers have no problem with genre television when done well. The only problem is when network execs and others with mindsets similar to you act like genre is something to be ashamed of, assuming on behalf of viewers that they have a problem with it, when really, the average American is perfectly happy with genre fare. I mean, come on....'shows like Lost succeeded by hiding the fact they were sci fi but ratings plummeted the more sci fi it got'? No. Every single viewer knew it was a paranormal show from the second the smoke monster showed up in the pilot. Sure, the show's success had a lot to do with the strength of its characters rather than hard sci-fi concepts, but that has nothing to do with hiding genre, and everything to do with good storytelling. Ratings dropped because the storytelling got unnecessarily convoluted in places, and people didn't have confidence the show knew where it was going. Nothing to do with its genre.

Heroes was very successful its first season. Ratings dropped because the quality dropped. The interest in its premise and subject matter was definitely there though. And so on and so on. The problem isn't that network audiences don't want to see genre fare. Bad TV is just bad TV, no matter its genre. For every sci-fi flop, I can easily name a derivative procedural that was shuffled off the air just as fast.

And sorry, but no matter how you spin it, Game of Thrones is a success. That's why its renewed and gets the buzz it gets. True Blood is a success. The Walking Dead is a success. The Vampires Diaries is a success. You can qualify all you want, but these shows perform to and above their expectations, and that's all that matters.

*Shrugs* You're not the only one who seems to think the average American has no interest in genre material, but I really don't get where people get that idea, especially when the most successful and talked about movies of the past several years are all superhero movies, except for when they're sci-fi or fantasy (Prometheus is as hard sci-fi as it gets, and its one of the most anticipated movies of the summer, even from people who have no idea its related to the ALIENS franchise, and you have no idea how many teenage girls are looking forward to Snow White and the Huntsman).

People have no problem with fantasy and sci-fi. They just want it to be GOOD fantasy and sci-fi.

They are a success for their network. The highest rated CW show is Vampire Diaries and its always a distant last place in its time slot. Buzz does not equal success when it comes to ratings. As I said, Battlestar Galactica has massive critical and fan buzz but it limped to a 4th season and was essentially cancelled due to ratings that were putrid even for its own networks meager expectations.

I'm by no means bashing genre TV. My current viewing list is Fringe, Supernatural, Vampire Diaries, Walking Dead, True Blood, Game of Thrones, Dexter, and South Park. I'm just realistic about ratings.

[dupersuper]

SF is less popular on tv these days because of their quality. Its not Stargate, BSG,4400 days.

What do you mean by this sentence?

[Vibranium]

CBS has canceled Unforgettable, Rob and NYC 22.

I figured that was happening...CBS felt the need to shoehorn Poppy Montgomrey into something after "Without A Trace" was finished...feel bad for Dylan Walsh though, been a fan of his since "Nip/Tuck"

[Guapo Méndez]

Poor poor SMG

It took forever to take off. One episode had them run out of ways to move the plot forward and, out of the blue comes a plot-pushing phone call. Right then I knew the show was doomed.

Too bad, 'cause my wife loved it.

[Nate Grey]

Gonna miss CSI: Miami.

[jade_nova]

The official cancellations have come from ABC for The River, Pan Am, GCB and Missing.

I hate seeing Pan Am cancelled. I was hoping it would last.

[Vibranium]

I hate seeing Pan Am cancelled. I was hoping it would last.

might I ask why?

[ChrisIII]

Maybe they'll mention the Miami crew or something like that in one of the other CSIs. Although it doesn't look like NY will be hanging out for much longer, and I think after this season they should wrap the Vegas original.

[Legato]

It took forever to take off. One episode had them run out of ways to move the plot forward and, out of the blue comes a plot-pushing phone call. Right then I knew the show was doomed.

Too bad, 'cause my wife loved it.

I'd shake my head in shame if Heart of Dixie manages to survive

[ronedog22]

Thems......

*puts on sunglasses*

Are the brakes

YEAHHHH!!

[Vibranium]

I'd shake my head in shame if Heart of Dixie manages to survive

is that Rachel Bilsons show?

[jade_nova]

might I ask why?

With the cancellation of [U]The Playboy Club[U] I was hoping one of the period shows would survive.

[Treqqor]

With the cancellation of [U]The Playboy Club[U] I was hoping one of the period shows would survive.

You still have Mad Men, which is all the networks were trying to copy.They went for the style but totally missed the substance.

[Chachi]

I hate seeing Pan Am cancelled. I was hoping it would last.

ABC over advertised this show. From early summer on, the same damn commercial with the stewardeses walking with one hand up in the air. Changed the cnannel everytime this damn commercial ran.

[Vibranium]

ABC over advertised this show. From early summer on, the same damn commercial with the stewardeses walking with one hand up in the air. Changed the cnannel everytime this damn commercial ran.

not to mention that air travel has become basically a cattle drive, so I rolled my eyes at the premise

[Simbob4000]

With the cancellation of [U]The Playboy Club[U] I was hoping one of the period shows would survive.

But...both of those shows sucked. The only good thing about Pan Am was getting to see the attractive women on it.

But fear not, there are more period shows to come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJSII0LwSY&feature=relmfu

[Simbob4000]

I figured that was happening...CBS felt the need to shoehorn Poppy Montgomrey into something after "Without A Trace" was finished...feel bad for Dylan Walsh though, been a fan of his since "Nip/Tuck"

I kind of seems surprising, it was a shit show, but it sounds like it did good for CBS, not there best show, but still good. Same with CSI: Miami, sure it's a really bad show, but it was doing better than CSI: New York...which also isn't any good.

[Vibranium]

weekly dose of Dennis Quaid being a badass Sheriff?

sign me the &%$# up

[Simbob4000]

Genre TV, especially Sci Fi, will usually no longer succeed on network TV. Consider the current darling of Genre TV: Game of Thrones. Take its numbers and put it on a network channel and its cancelled midway through the first season. Supernatural and Vampire Diaries keep going because they are on the CW and their ratings are only good by comparison to other CW shows. Fringe survives because JJ Abrams apparently has dirty pictures of some Fox exec (Fringe is my favorite current show by the way so I'm not bashing, I'm just acknowledging that its baffling how its horrid ratings got it a 4th let alone a 5th season).

You put Game of Thrones on network tv in the time slot before the news, and you play the whole thing like HBO is...I would bet you that show would get crazy ratings. I'm sure they could do it if they wanted to, they've shown unedited Schindler's List before.

[jade_nova]

You still have Mad Men, which is all the networks were trying to copy.They went for the style but totally missed the substance.

I never watched Mad Men and isn't this their last year.

[Nate Grey]

Maybe they'll mention the Miami crew or something like that in one of the other CSIs. Although it doesn't look like NY will be hanging out for much longer, and I think after this season they should wrap the Vegas original.

What makes you think that? Ted Danson (and now Elisabeth Shue) have added new life to the show.

I kinda doubt any of the two remaining CSI shows will ever even mention CSI Miami in any shape or form (they never did before except for the multiple crossover with Laurence Fishburne ages ago) but you never know.

EVERY season of CSI NY seems to be its last. lol Doesn't it always get a last minute reprieve?

[Vibranium]

Ted Danson is pretty f'ng good on CSI....and I just want to be ON Elisabeth Shue

[Nate Grey]

Ted Danson is pretty f'ng good on CSI....and I just want to be ON Elisabeth Shue

I think its cool that Sam Malone is basically married to Roz from Frasier. :biggrin:

But yeah, he's good and fun to watch. Finn is a great foil to his Russell. I just love the show to pieces now (I didn't exactly dislike it before, but it just seems...better now).

[Treqqor]

I never watched Mad Men and isn't this their last year.

Last I read, the plan is for 2 more seasons after this, ending at season 7.

Plenty of time for you to catch up!

[Deathstroke]

A&E has canceled Breakout Kings after two seasons.

[The Cool Thatguy]

What? Damn it...

I have no idea what the ratings were but it hardly seems like they had anything else worth while. Freakin' hell, I just started last season...

[Vibranium]

A&E has canceled Breakout Kings after two seasons.

It limped through the latter half of its first season, and was very mediocre in its second

[BAT-TAZ]

gutted about

CSI MIAMI and UNFORGETTABLE loved both shows

















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[Nate Grey]

A&E has canceled Breakout Kings after two seasons.

I think the character they killed off in the season 2 opener (guess I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet) was more popular than the show runners realized. I'm guessing I wasn't the only one who stopped watching because of it. Yeah its an ensemble show, but...still, wasn't cool. And it wasn't the actor's choice to leave, either.

Though I did like Lloyd. I think a show could be based around his character. Ah well.

[Flash's Lightning]

I was actually enjoying Alcatraz and Awake. I guess we'll never know if she lives from the shot wound because she's the daughter of one of the escapees, eh? Ah well.

I am glad Touch is renewed, or I'd have been even more annoyed.