The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[DrDoomX]

The Terminator Franchise finds itself on TV. Yes I am still in disbelief about this. As a huge Terminator fan I am weary of this. The series takes place in between T2 and T3...chronicling Sarah Connor. The series stars Claires Bennets Buddy from Heroes as John, and as Sarah, is the queen from 300. Like I said I am weary of this, and surprised to know that such a show was even in existence...

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=19879

The Link has a picture of the series...huh...odd..

[Donald M.]

I predict that FOX will do to Sarah and John Connor what three generations of Terminator couldn't.

I give it 12 episodes and that's being very generous.

[Comic_Mobsta]

yeah i knew of this for awhile now,fox wouldn't let it survive though.and yeah it'll be dead by 12 episodes

[Chiasm]

You guys are too optimistic. I give it five episodes, probably shown out of order no less. This is Fox we're talking about.

[Scorpion13]

The Terminator Franchise finds itself on TV. Yes I am still in disbelief about this. As a huge Terminator fan I am weary of this. The series takes place in between T2 and T3...chronicling Sarah Connor. The series stars Claires Bennets Buddy from Heroes as John, and as Sarah, is the queen from 300. Like I said I am weary of this, and surprised to know that such a show was even in existence...

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=19879

The Link has a picture of the series...huh...odd..


I think the term your going for is wary, but weary works good too. Im weary of Fox cancelling any show on the network that isnt The Simpsons and Cops after 7 episodes.

[Ryan K]

I'll watch an episode and give it a try.

[Legato]

You guys are too optimistic. I give it five episodes, probably shown out of order no less. This is Fox we're talking about.

I have no faith when it comes to Fox keeping a decent show going ever since they cancelled Firefly and was even dumb enough to let Futurama go. A series like this could have a much better future if it went to the Sci-Fi Channel since it fits the formula that network got anyway.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

This sounds like crap

Terminator 1 was good because it was basically a monster movie.

T2 was decent because of explosions and the like

t3 = garbage.

Plus the terminator series cant even get its "how time travel works" thing in a row.


In t1 the future is set, and those from the future who go back to the past are a part of the pasts creation

in t2 the future is not set and those that go back can change it

and in t3 its back to the other way.


Why must Bill and Ted be the only time travel related movie to ever get it consistent and right?

[Armless Penguin]

Kind of old news, and though I am rather interested in it, I know FOX's track record with new shows--especially those with former Firefly alumni.

[Chiasm]

I have no faith when it comes to Fox keeping a decent show going ever since they cancelled Firefly and was even dumb enough to let Futurama go. A series like this could have a much better future if it went to the Sci-Fi Channel since it fits the formula that network got anyway.

Exactly. Any sci fi fantasy genre show should avoid Fox and CBS like the plague. NBC, ABC, and CW would be better since they've shown support to Heroes, Lost, and Supernatural. Sci Fi like you said would be best though.

[Nate Grey]

What's the premise exactly? Sarah on the run from the law? No Terminator-of-the-Week?

[Legato]

Exactly. Any sci fi fantasy genre show should avoid Fox and CBS like the plague. NBC, ABC, and CW would be better since they've shown support to Heroes, Lost, and Supernatural. Sci Fi like you said would be best though.

Had Firefly went to Sci-Fi the show would have probably lasted about as long as Stargate. Sci-Fi atleast promoted the hell out of that show while Fox just pushed the series aside in favor of either a reality tv show or a tv show that isn't liked by the fans but fox support it anyway.


It's like what Krusty The Clown said on The Simpsons, Fox would rather take their chances on crap than on something that can be pretty good. No wonder that network has became a joke now.

[stealthwise]

In t1 the future is set, and those from the future who go back to the past are a part of the pasts creation

in t2 the future is not set and those that go back can change it

and in t3 its back to the other way.


Why must Bill and Ted be the only time travel related movie to ever get it consistent and right?

Argh!

No, no, the point with the third movie was to correct the Incorrect notion that the second movie supposed, which is "no fate but what we make." The reason that John Conner ends up fighting yet ANOTHER terminator is because of that very idea that the judgement day is inevitable due to the temporal paradox that occurs.

Bill and Ted touch upon that same point, as they HAVE to be able to get out so they can later plant a key that will allow them to get out of the tight spot they find themselves in. It doesn't make logical sense, as you have no true "beginning" of the time loop that's created, but as long as the loop is closed, then there's no true paradox.

[StoneGold]

Argh!

No, no, the point with the third movie was to correct the Incorrect notion that the second movie supposed, which is "no fate but what we make." The reason that John Conner ends up fighting yet ANOTHER terminator is because of that very idea that the judgement day is inevitable due to the temporal paradox that occurs.

Bill and Ted touch upon that same point, as they HAVE to be able to get out so they can later plant a key that will allow them to get out of the tight spot they find themselves in. It doesn't make logical sense, as you have no true "beginning" of the time loop that's created, but as long as the loop is closed, then there's no true paradox.

First, you can't say whether or not the no fate idea is correct or not. Have you time traveled? Other than forwards at a rate of 1 second to 1 second? If no, then you don't know.

Second, even if it closed off some kind of paradox, it opened up an even stupider concept that time will course correct itself, just messing up the dates and facts of everything. Quantum Leap got away with it because it turned out God was doing everything. I don't believe the Terminator series has God in it.

Third, when you have to use the time game to prove your case, you've already lost. Because it didn't work for Chuck Denomolos. What, he got lazy with a step in the time game?

[Chiasm]

How come I don't see this on Fox's announced schedule?

[Scorpion13]

Argh!

No, no, the point with the third movie was to correct the Incorrect notion that the second movie supposed, which is "no fate but what we make."


Which is what pissed me off about it so much.

People are the masters of thier own destiny. They dont have to do anything, no matter what thier parents, peers, whatever say theyre destined to do.

T3's message? Fuck it. We're doomed. Might as well slap on an Alfred E. Numan grin and a "What, me worry?" speech bubble as you drop to hell in a handbasket.

Why try to change the world or your own life for the better? Why even struggle? Its destiny! The whole message of the movie is "Just give up. Youre screwed."

And thats one of the biggest reasons why I dont like it.

[OverMaster]

Which is what pissed me off about it so much.

People are the masters of thier own destiny. They dont have to do anything, no matter what thier parents, peers, whatever say theyre destined to do.

T3's message? Fuck it. We're doomed. Might as well slap on an Alfred E. Numan grin and a "What, me worry?" speech bubble as you drop to hell in a handbasket.

Why try to change the world or your own life for the better? Why even struggle? Its destiny! The whole message of the movie is "Just give up. Youre screwed."

And thats one of the biggest reasons why I dont like it.

Can I hear an amen? Amen!

[Legato]

Which is what pissed me off about it so much.

People are the masters of thier own destiny. They dont have to do anything, no matter what thier parents, peers, whatever say theyre destined to do.

T3's message? Fuck it. We're doomed. Might as well slap on an Alfred E. Numan grin and a "What, me worry?" speech bubble as you drop to hell in a handbasket.

Why try to change the world or your own life for the better? Why even struggle? Its destiny! The whole message of the movie is "Just give up. Youre screwed."

And thats one of the biggest reasons why I dont like it.

In short. Your dammned if you do, your dammned if you dont.

[hoffmandu]

Which is what pissed me off about it so much.

People are the masters of thier own destiny. They dont have to do anything, no matter what thier parents, peers, whatever say theyre destined to do.

T3's message? Fuck it. We're doomed. Might as well slap on an Alfred E. Numan grin and a "What, me worry?" speech bubble as you drop to hell in a handbasket.

Why try to change the world or your own life for the better? Why even struggle? Its destiny! The whole message of the movie is "Just give up. Youre screwed."

And thats one of the biggest reasons why I dont like it.

yeah, that and it sucked. The plot was so lame I couldn't even stand it. Kill one of Conners Lt's.........that's a plot my stoner buddies would come up with, jesus. The only scene worth a damn in the whole flick was Connor talking into the mic at the end. And that was a 30 seconds long.

[Scorpion13]

yeah, that and it sucked. The plot was so lame I couldn't even stand it. Kill one of Conners Lt's.........that's a plot my stoner buddies would come up with, jesus. The only scene worth a damn in the whole flick was Connor talking into the mic at the end. And that was a 30 seconds long.


Yeah. That was one lazy ass plot.

Maybe they could have gotten away with it after the first one, maybe, mind you, but now way was that flying aafter T2.

[maczero]

Exactly. Any sci fi fantasy genre show should avoid Fox and CBS like the plague. NBC, ABC, and CW would be better since they've shown support to Heroes, Lost, and Supernatural. Sci Fi like you said would be best though.Is this really a fair statement? I mean there was no risk in supporting shows like Lost and Heroes. Both shows pretty much had huge ratings from the beginning.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Argh!

No, no, the point with the third movie was to correct the Incorrect notion that the second movie supposed, which is "no fate but what we make." The reason that John Conner ends up fighting yet ANOTHER terminator is because of that very idea that the judgement day is inevitable due to the temporal paradox that occurs.

Bill and Ted touch upon that same point, as they HAVE to be able to get out so they can later plant a key that will allow them to get out of the tight spot they find themselves in. It doesn't make logical sense, as you have no true "beginning" of the time loop that's created, but as long as the loop is closed, then there's no true paradox.

Again, makes no sense

Bill and Ted makes sense


In movie 1 you have clear cut definition of time and time travel. That which you go back and make happen already happened before you were born. Nothing was altered. No dates or whatever.

The guy from aliens was John COnners father, and because he was John Conners father he was able to get a mission from John Conner to go back and protect his mother. There is no loop

its a straight line. Just like bill and ted.

Then in movie 2 you had time change period. Which it cant do following its own rules.

Movie 3 just made it more retarded.

[Scorpion13]

Is this really a fair statement? I mean there was no risk in supporting shows like Lost and Heroes. Both shows pretty much had huge ratings from the beginning.

I think a big problem with the big networks is that they dont really take many chances for real interesting genre shows.

Lets take the Nightstalker remake. It was a rehash of the X-Files. Same with that Threshhold show. And that Invasion thing. We saw that exact same stuff on the X-files for like 10 years.

99% of the time the genre shows the networks put on are gonna be the same old government conspiracy/ roswell crash BS weve seen for years, with no attempt to go into new areas or ideas. Thats why Lost (for a while) and Heroes are succesful. New ideas, new interesting concepts. Alot of the time it isnt the network's fault; the shows just suck.

[Gargus]

Cant believe Im about to project myself into the conversation of time travel, but here I go.

First of all, no one has ever done it and beyond our abilities to do so or comprehend it. So, there is no truth to anything anyone ever says about it and its basically just stuff that sounds right to them at the time.

Personally I cant see it ever working. If nothing else for this reason.

Lets say our current reality is a glass ball filled with water completely. When you take a drop of water out of it you have a bubble where no water is. Now time travel backwards, suddenly you are gone from your current time and space, a void is now there. What fills that void? Now you arrive back in time, its like putting a extra drop of water in the glass ball that can not hold anymore, it breaks from the pressure. Does that mean that the past would effectively explode? Of course this is all based on my knowledge that you cant truly destroy matter, you can change its shape or even burning a tree releases its energy and it still exsists in some form, its never truly gone. But hell I might be wrong there also, Im still going on that stuff from 20 years ago in public school.

Then again if the terminator did kill sarah connor would he able to? If he killed her before she could raise john, then he would be destroying the future where he was sent back, thereby making himself non exsistant. How can you kill in the past the one reason your there? If he killed her, she wouldnt raise john and the future where he would be sent back for her wouldnt exsist. Be like me trying to kill my great grandmother, if she died there future I came back from wouldnt be there.

Hehe I hate this crap.

At any rate back on topic.

Personally I couldnt give a crap, will I watch it? Oh yes atleast first couple episodes. But I have no faith there will be a second season. I dont like the idea though.

[Nate Grey]

Isn't there already a T3 thread where we talk about this very same thing? :confused:

Its real simple: folks are confusing fate and destiny. Destiny is what, fate is how. It was always our destiny to have the war of the machines, but it was up to us to decide our fate, whether we'd stand against them and fight as hard as we did.

Anyway, seriously, what's the show about? I think a Terminator of the week format would be cool. It'd totally destroy the methos, namely part 3, but seeing as how arguing about part 3 has derailed this thread, I don't think many folks would mind. Yeah, just have different models in show up and Sarah through her own tenacity destroys them while protecting John and staying on the run.

That's my guess. Again, no clue what its about. If its just Sarah on the run from the law, no Terminator or machines...eh, guess it could work.

[drwho]

This show would do much better with Terminator in the actual title, but I guess since its still a film property they called it the chronicles thing instead. How many people are gonna actually remember that characters name from a 10 yr old movie? Bad business if you ask me.

[Scorpion13]

This show would do much better with Terminator in the actual title, but I guess since its still a film property they called it the chronicles thing instead. How many people are gonna actually remember that characters name from a 10 yr old movie? Bad business if you ask me.

The Terminator is a pretty popular franchise. I dont think recognition is going to be a problem.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yeah

Plus the possibility of an endoskeleton being in the previews before the show starts has to be like huge.

[marshal99]

Maybe we'll see Robert Patrick as the recurring T2 villain. (just without the oh so expensive T2 special effects) ;)

[Young Avenger]

Is this really a fair statement? I mean there was no risk in supporting shows like Lost and Heroes. Both shows pretty much had huge ratings from the beginning.

The first two episodes of Drive drew in over 6 millions viewers for Fox and they canceled the show after 4 episodes. Rating mean nothing to Fox.

[NDHorse]

How come I don't see this on Fox's announced schedule?

I believe that it isn't coming on until the beginning of 2008.

[The Punished]

I have a lack of trust in Fox as all the aforementioned reasons.

The story seems interesting but highly unlikely Fox will keep it around long enough to sustain the ratings it needs. I think Lena will do the role justice but not Fox.

[StoneGold]

Don't ask me how, don't ask me why, but I managed to get my hands on the pilot for the Terminator TV show, The Sarah Connor Chronicles. And surprisingly, it ain't crap. For one thing, it completely and totally invalidates Terminator 3. Yay. There is no "destiny rearranges itself so that what is supposed to happen always happens" crap. They keep it a lot simpler than that. Judgement Day was stopped. But that doesn't mean it doesn't still happen, only later. So August 29, 1997 has been moved off till some time in 2011, but there's still a time travel date of 2029, so not everything is wacky.

So it's 1999, and Sarah Connor now looks like the queen from 300, and John looks like the gay kid from Heroes. And Terminators show up again and start causing havoc. I don't want to spoil too much, but let's just say they managed to get it right. More right on a TV budget than T3 did. That's not to say its perfect, but it is a much better follow up to the Terminator series than T3.

There is one thing that does feel kind of stupid, although it was also necessary for the series. Apparently, the humans sent a scientist back to 1963 to build weapons for our heroes. Including a time machine to send them to 2007, when Skynet is rebuilt. Lucky for them, Skynet was rebuilt in contemporary time with filming. Which is too bad, they managed to capture 1999 pretty well, with large cell phones and the like. But it would have been too much of a pain in the ass to keep up.

[Night]

The look on their faces when they find out who's governor of California alone is enough for a couple of episodes.

[Jared]

Even if the pilot is well executed, I don't see how the premise could possibly be sustain an ongoing series. "On the run from killer robots from the future" is fine for an action movie or two. But how do you stretch that out to 22 episodes and beyond without it getting tiring?

Also, the Terminator was Arnold's signature role. I think Fox may be overestimating the viability of the franchise without its star. Not many people watched the (mostly) Ford-less Young Indy Chronicles.

[StoneGold]

Even if the pilot is well executed, I don't see how the premise could possibly be sustain an ongoing series. "On the run from killer robots from the future" is fine for an action movie or two. But how do you stretch that out to 22 episodes and beyond without it getting tiring?

Also, the Terminator was Arnold's signature role. I think Fox may be overestimating the viability of the franchise without its star. Not many people watched the (mostly) Ford-less Young Indy Chronicles.

Enough to run for what, three seasons?

And while I do agree with the question of will this sustain for a whole season, let alone multiple, I'm just talking about the pilot here, which was surprisngly entertaining. I was expecting to not like it at all, hence the pleasant surprise when it was actually pretty good.

As for the Arnie thing, for me anyways, it wasn't a problem. We've known since the first movie that there are more T-800s out there than the CS-101. So why does that model keep getting sent back?

[Nate Grey]

Well for all we know, there were only two types of "skinjob" Terminators, the ones who looked like Arnie, and the one that was the "infiltrator" in the first movie. The T-X and T-1000 were prototypes so that's why they looked different.

In the book for T2, it was explained John found a whole bunker filled with Arnie Terminators hanging upside from the ceiling like slabs of meat, all waiting to activated.

T3...well an Arnie Terminator finally killed John, and apparantly once the Terminator fulfils its mission it simply shuts down. John's wife was able to get over her grief long enough to say, "Hey, free Terminator. I'll send this one back in time."

I think its just like in the Futurama episode:
Frye: There's billions upon billions of alternate universes???
Professor: No, just the two.
Frye: Oh. I...guess that's enough.

It would be interesting if because of the events of T2, Skynet sends Terminator after Terminator after Sarah, like lemmings. I wish they'd send a bunch of T-1000s, but I doubt the show has the kind of budget. Bummer.

[jesse_custer]

I can't believe any self-respecting Terminator fan would even want to watch this if Hamilton is not involved.

[Nate Grey]

It just dawned on me: if Linda Hamilton wants nothing to do with this (or is too expensive, or both), she does have a TWIN SISTER. Not sure how good her acting is, but...

[hoffmandu]

Even if the pilot is well executed, I don't see how the premise could possibly be sustain an ongoing series. "On the run from killer robots from the future" is fine for an action movie or two. But how do you stretch that out to 22 episodes and beyond without it getting tiring?




Buffy seemed to do it just fine. Even without the original star.

[Conn Seanery]

I can't believe any self-respecting Terminator fan would even want to watch this if Hamilton is not involved.
She's over 50 now. I imagine any self-respecting Terminator fan is not going to want to see a 1999 Sarah Connor that doesn't kick some arse and turn them on a little too.

[Nate Grey]

She's over 50 now. I imagine any self-respecting Terminator fan is not going to want to see a 1999 Sarah Connor that doesn't kick some arse and turn them on a little too.

Yeah but her twin sister's in her 30s, right?

[Conn Seanery]

Yeah but her twin sister's in her 30s, right?
...

Please tell me you're joking.

[Nate Grey]

...

Please tell me you're joking.

Um, yeah, I'm...joking. :)

[saintsaucey]

Buffy seemed to do it just fine. Even without the original star.

omg u didn't just compare buffy the movie to buffy the series did u. two different intities. even joss admits he hated the movie. donald sutherland ruined that movie. none of the fans of the series consider it cannon.

[Conn Seanery]

Um, yeah, I'm...joking. :)
In that case, nice one.

[hoffmandu]

omg u didn't just compare buffy the movie to buffy the series did u. two different intities. even joss admits he hated the movie. donald sutherland ruined that movie. none of the fans of the series consider it cannon.

Yeah, but the original question was how a TV series based off a premise involving running from time traveling robots could possibly succeed. Well, Buffy was a flick involving a cheerleading vampire hunter..........now look at Buffy the series, and there's your answer. With adequate writing, it can be done, and done successfully.

[The Xenos]

Also, the Terminator was Arnold's signature role. I think Fox may be overestimating the viability of the franchise without its star. Not many people watched the (mostly) Ford-less Young Indy Chronicles.

Bah. I loved that show. Then again, I don't fit to well with the majority of the public, so yeah, this will likely tank. They tend to look for a big actor name first. Personally, the absence of Cameron bugs me more. Then again, we have X-Files writer/director David Nutter on this.

And while it may contradict what I just said, Summer Glau and Lena Headly have me interested. Too bad Summer gets shot in the first ep. Oops. Spoilers. :rolleyes:

Don't ask me how, don't ask me why, but I managed to get my hands on the pilot for the Terminator TV show, The Sarah Connor Chronicles. And surprisingly, it ain't crap.

Yup. I'm in the same boat. I was surprised that it was pretty good. Sure it's not going to match the two hour films on this budget, but for a TV show it's pretty good.

Plus we have Summer Glau kicking ass as an unstoppable fighting machine again. Hell, I'm tempted to watch the show for that alone.

[jesse_custer]

She's over 50 now. I imagine any self-respecting Terminator fan is not going to want to see a 1999 Sarah Connor that doesn't kick some arse and turn them on a little too.

With your point in mind, I think the dream of any Terminator fan should be "Stop whipping this post."

[StoneGold]

Headey actually does a pretty damn good job aping Hamilton's mannerisms. And, at least so far, Dekker's managed to be a little less annoying than Furlong. He's just so gosh-darn pretty though. John's like a girl without the breasts. You could have sex with him and officially not be gay.

[Jared]

Yeah, but the original question was how a TV series based off a premise involving running from time traveling robots could possibly succeed. Well, Buffy was a flick involving a cheerleading vampire hunter..........now look at Buffy the series, and there's your answer. With adequate writing, it can be done, and done successfully.

The difference is that Buffy wasn't an iconic franchise when the show started. It might as well have never been based on a movie at all. Whereas Terminator and Indiana Jones are hugely successful series that were each built around a particular star.

BTW, I always thought they should have have Kristy Swanson guest star on the show, if only because of how hot she was.

[hoffmandu]

The difference is that Buffy wasn't an iconic franchise when the show started. It might as well have never been based on a movie at all. Whereas Terminator and Indiana Jones are hugely successful series that were each built around a particular star.

BTW, I always thought they should have have Kristy Swanson guest star on the show, if only because of how hot she was.

You have a point, but there exceptions to consider. Stargate? That seems to be doing fine. Star Trek? Come on, it can done.

[jesse_custer]

I don't know. The absence of Kurt Russell has hurt everything Stargate-related after the movie. Plus, Stargate wasn't as awesome as Terminator.

Also, I don't see how Star Trek is a valid example. It started out as a series, then the movies had the same stars as the series, then a new series with new characters started, then the movies followed with the same cast, etc.

[hoffmandu]

I don't know. The absence of Kurt Russell has hurt everything Stargate-related after the movie. Plus, Stargate wasn't as awesome as Terminator.

Also, I don't see how Star Trek is a valid example. It started out as a series, then the movies had the same stars as the series, then a new series with new characters started, then the movies followed with the same cast, etc.

Star Trek? Come on, huge franchise with all new players (TNG)? I don't know, after T3 I consider the series pretty tainted. It's no longer as perfect as it was.

[Jared]

You have a point, but there exceptions to consider. Stargate? That seems to be doing fine. Star Trek? Come on, it can done.

Stargate was just a fun sci-fi movie that did pretty well, and happened to have Kurt Russel and James Spader, though neither were exactly A-list.

Whereas The Terminator franchise is Arnold Scharzenegger. Indiana Jones is Harrisson Ford. The audience wouldn't accept Just Some Guy as Indy. I doubt Just Some Guy will work as Terminators. That's why The Rock was reportedly considered a potential replacement for the movies.

Also, I really think this show needs a better title. Why not "The Terminator Chronicles"? And shouldn't John be the real focus, after all, Skynet killing Sarah at this point would be kinda useless.

[jesse_custer]

Star Trek? Come on, huge franchise with all new players (TNG)?

New players being new characters, not new players being old characters. There's a difference.

I don't know, after T3 I consider the series pretty tainted. It's no longer as perfect as it was.

T3 was OK, and it was definitely a step down. However, that doesn't mean creators should crap all over the series even more.

[StoneGold]

Also, I really think this show needs a better title. Why not "The Terminator Chronicles"? And shouldn't John be the real focus, after all, Skynet killing Sarah at this point would be kinda useless.

While I agree with you that the title sucks, Sarah gets the VO monologues. So they literally are her chronicles.

[Jared]

While I agree with you that the title sucks, Sarah gets the VO monologues. So they literally are her chronicles.

How is Lena Heady's accent?

[StoneGold]

How is Lena Heady's accent?

She does a pretty damn good job aping even Hamilton's specific vocal stylings. If you didn't know she was British, you wouldn't know.

[Night]

Well there's the Highlander series..... and look at the sequels to the movie. It's also a theme with time & flashbacks and such.

Ok, we didn't replace Connor's character by name, but we did the whole series with a stand in as the same role, Hero of the Highlands, Duncan with the same powers.

[Magneto_X]

I like it.

And Summer Glau is in the supporting cast.

Which means Fox will cancel it before it reaches the end of season 1. :(

[Magneto_X]

Had Firefly went to Sci-Fi the show would have probably lasted about as long as Stargate. Sci-Fi atleast promoted the hell out of that show while Fox just pushed the series aside in favor of either a reality tv show or a tv show that isn't liked by the fans but fox support it anyway.


Is there a reason why Mutant Enemy didn't bring Firefly to Sci-Fi (or HBO?).

After the way Fox treated Buffy and Angel I'm surprised Whedon still gave them any property after that.

[Magneto_X]

Is this really a fair statement? I mean there was no risk in supporting shows like Lost and Heroes. Both shows pretty much had huge ratings from the beginning.

Lost is more of a drama/mystery with sci-fi thrown in (it's not the dominant genre).

Heroes got lucky. Sometimes it happens (re: Buffy, Angel) but even those shows aren't immune from network interference.

[Magneto_X]

Lets take the Nightstalker remake. It was a rehash of the X-Files. Same with that Threshhold show.


I miss Threshold. :(

It was a nice take on the aliens invading the Earth plot line. And it had Carla Gugino in the lead. Any show with her in can't be bad. To bad her shows never do well. Dunno why.

Now you're making me miss Karen Sisko!

(The only tv show that is still on that she was on is Entourage. And she was only on it for a few episodes.)

[Magneto_X]

I wish they'd send a bunch of T-1000s, but I doubt the show has the kind of budget. Bummer.

If Skynet did that Sarah and John wouldn't last a week. You can't have a show if your main characters die (well, unless it's anime).

[Magneto_X]

Yeah, but the original question was how a TV series based off a premise involving running from time traveling robots could possibly succeed. Well, Buffy was a flick involving a cheerleading vampire hunter..........now look at Buffy the series, and there's your answer. With adequate writing, it can be done, and done successfully.

That's true with any franchise.

If talented people are working on the project it should be quality product. Of course, this also comes down to perception of who's talented. People still consider Rob Liefeld a great comic artist, for example. lol

[Magneto_X]

She does a pretty damn good job aping even Hamilton's specific vocal stylings. If you didn't know she was British, you wouldn't know.

It's to bad she isn't using that accent of her's in roles lately. Her accent was sexy in Gossip.

[Paul Dee]

Yeah but her twin sister's in her 30s, right?

Best post ever

[Dr. Banner]

Just watched the show.
They nailed everything. The tone, the feel, the actors really did a great job (Young John Connor wasn't annoying like in T2!), I'm definately going to watch this for the season it lasts.

Don't really care for Summer Glau's character that much, but at least it evens the odds a bit.

How long before things get "romantic" between the boy and the robot? REALLY hope they don't go that route.

[Magneto_X]

Dr.Banner:

If you had a robot that looked like Summer Glau wouldn't you have on a crush on it? ;)

[Dr. Banner]

^^^
Oh, most definately.

But for a prime-time television show? That's getting into creepy territory.

[Nate Grey]

Has this premiered on TV yet?

Anyway, I liked it. spoilers:
The Terminator was pretty cool, and I loved how he had the gun in his leg. Loved they involved Miles Dyson's widow, and the way the female Terminator showed she was a Terminator. The twist in the end was neat, they went FORWARD in time. So if Skynet goes live in 2010, they have three years to stop it? Wow, talk about a tight dealine. Plus I'm sure not that they've revealed themselves any Terminators that were waiting will eventually show themselves.

I have no complaints. Really enjoyed this, and I can see it lasting at least four years.

[Dr. Banner]

^^^
I think they moved this as a mid-season replacement (ie, won't premier 'til about January)!!!

In fact, they're revising some of the school scenes:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=22557

Makes me glad I saw the original version.

[Nate Grey]

^^^
I think they moved this as a mid-season replacement (ie, won't premier 'til about January)!!!

In fact, they're revising some of the school scenes:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=22557

Makes me glad I saw the original version.

Same. I thought it was very well done. And seemed exactly like something a Terminator would do.

[Magneto_X]

^^^
Oh, most definately.

But for a prime-time television show? That's getting into creepy territory.

It's been done before re: Buffy.

Hell, in several tv shows aliens have been dating or married to humans (re: Babylon 5, Star Trek, Mork & Mindy etc) and no-one cared. Why would it bother them that it's a (sexy, nubile female) robot instead?

[Dr. Banner]

Hell, in several tv shows aliens have been dating or married to humans (re: Babylon 5, Star Trek, Mork & Mindy etc) and no-one cared. Why would it bother them that it's a (sexy, nubile female) robot instead?

I'll spell it out for you:
Futuristic Sex Doll.

In my books that's creepy. :)

[Magneto_X]

I'll spell it out for you:
Futuristic Sex Doll.

In my books that's creepy. :)

What do you think the androids were for in Buffy?

(I agree, it's not --- normal, but since it's fiction it doesn't matter. This is tame compared to what the Japanese do, anyway.)

[StoneGold]

It's been done before re: Buffy.

Hell, in several tv shows aliens have been dating or married to humans (re: Babylon 5, Star Trek, Mork & Mindy etc) and no-one cared. Why would it bother them that it's a (sexy, nubile female) robot instead?

Mostly because Terminators don't have any ladyparts. Cloned flesh over hard, robotic steel.


Or if you really want to know why it wouldn't work...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/sex/terminator-sex-positions-283966.php

[Nate Grey]

I guess if I had one complaint it would be the Terminators' movements. They were...jerky. I get the producers want you to understand they're robots underneath, but the movie accomplished that by doing the exact opposite, by making their movements too fluid. Ah well. Still loved the pilot and can't wait for the show.

[Armless Penguin]

So I watched the pilot and was rather pleasantly surprised. I had my doubts going into it, but came out actually impressed with the show. I really hope it lasts, but the presence of a Firefly alumnus (no matter how much I love her) makes that position shaky. Here's to hoping people watch it first for the Terminator name-brand, and then for the (hopeful) quality of the show.

I also like that they won't be adhering to T3's continuity.

[maczero]

So I watched the pilot and was rather pleasantly surprised. I had my doubts going into it, but came out actually impressed with the show. I really hope it lasts, but the presence of a Firefly alumnus (no matter how much I love her) makes that position shaky. Here's to hoping people watch it first for the Terminator name-brand, and then for the (hopeful) quality of the show.
I was also surprised that the pilot turned out to be pretty good. Also, surprised to see "River" in this. How old is she anyway? She's totally believable as a teenager.

[Magneto_X]

Summer's 25.

It seems like she's an actress who has a youthful appearance that looks like she hans't aged at all. It's very rare.

[StoneGold]

Summer's 25.

It seems like she's an actress who has a youthful appearance that looks like she hans't aged at all. It's very rare.

Except in every actress on a teen show ever.


Wait, you were making a joke there and I just went and made it even more obvious, didn't I? Crap.

[Magneto_X]

Except in every actress on a teen show ever.

Some are better then others. See 90210. The *only* ones I thought looked like teenagers were Green and Doherty. That didn't last long, either.

Wait, you were making a joke there and I just went and made it even more obvious, didn't I? Crap.

Not a joke.

[StoneGold]

Not a joke.

Oh. In which case, they're not rare. Not in TV Land.


Did you know Marilyn on the Musters was like in her 30s?

[blackdragon6]

i was also surprised at how good the pilot was...i'm still kinda iffy about the chronology of it all though.but never the less i liked it.

[Black Atom]

Mostly because Terminators don't have any ladyparts. Cloned flesh over hard, robotic steel.


Or if you really want to know why it wouldn't work...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/sex/terminator-sex-positions-283966.php

I shall never unsee this.

[StoneGold]

I shall never unsee this.

Hell, I'm glad someone finally looked at the link. I didn't want to be the only one.

[Jared]

Hell, I'm glad someone finally looked at the link. I didn't want to be the only one.

I looked...then I told myself I would bury my shame and never think of it again. But it's better to know that I'm not alone.

[jwd]

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-sarahconnorchroniclespremieredate,0,2810629.story? coll=zap-news-headlines

Fox announced the premiere date. They're pairing it with 24.

Starts Monday Jan 14th at 8/7C.

[StoneGold]

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-sarahconnorchroniclespremieredate,0,2810629.story? coll=zap-news-headlines

Fox announced the premiere date. They're pairing it with 24.

Starts Monday Jan 14th at 8/7C.

Wait, what's happening to Prison Break then?

[Armless Penguin]

Wait, what's happening to Prison Break then?

No word on it yet, but I'd bet on a time-slot switch--maybe to the one where SCC was originally supposed to air. Of course, given the nature of the FOX network and how many viewers this season has lost, it may just move onto a hiatus.

[jwd]

Wait, what's happening to Prison Break then?

Prison Break goes on hiatus Dec through Feb and returns in March usually.

What they do in March if SCC is a success is anybody's guess.

[Jared]

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-sarahconnorchroniclespremieredate,0,2810629.story? coll=zap-news-headlines

Fox announced the premiere date. They're pairing it with 24.


They should just go all-out and make it a crossover. At this point, what is left for Jack Bauer to stop, other than killer robots from the future.

[Nate Grey]

They should just go all-out and make it a crossover. At this point, what is left for Jack Bauer to stop, other than killer robots from the future.

Galactus? Yeah, I know, that would only last an episode but it would still be cool.

[Jared]

Ok, is anyone else picturing Jack torturing Shala Ball to make the Surfer talk?
"Don't make me do this, Norrin. Tell me where the Ultimate Nullifier is! Damnit, tell me now!"

[StoneGold]

Ok, is anyone else picturing Jack torturing Shala Ball to make the Surfer talk?
"Don't make me do this, Norrin. Tell me where the Ultimate Nullifier is! Damnit, tell me now!"

For some reason, I see him doing it to the Watcher, and the Watcher getting all pissy because he would have just told if Jack had asked nicely.




Because the Watcher is the cosmic equivalent of a gossipy 14-year-old girl.

[artemisboy]

Anyone know much about this project?

- Peter

[kalorama]

Good question. Unlike Bionic Woman, which got loads of pre-release hype, there's been surprisingly little buzz about this show.

I have to say, the clunky title probably doesn't help any.

[Rattlehead]

It's a Science Fiction show on FOX. It will be lucky to last 5 episodes.

[DonC]

There's another thread about it around here somewhere. Just do a search for "Sarah Conner."

[artemisboy]

So Sarah Connor is the Queen of Sparta in 300, John Connor is the cheerleader's sexually ambigious "friend" in Heroes and the new Terminator is the crazy chick from the Firefly movie Serenity. Hmmm...

- Peter

[Armless Penguin]

So Sarah Connor is the Queen of Sparta in 300, John Connor is the cheerleader's sexually ambigious "friend" in Heroes and the new Terminator is the crazy chick from the Firefly movie Serenity. Hmmm...

- Peter

And it's a pretty awesome show.

[DF2506]

Btw, http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-fox200708scheduleoverhaul,0,5434043.story?coll=zap-news-headlines

24 has now been postponed because of the writers strike (man, thats messing up everything...) and the Sarah Connor Chronicles is going to be paired with Prison Break. Don't know if its new episodes of Prison Break or not (I think so though).

Oh and Sarah Connor is getting the two night premiere (Sunday & Monday) instead of 24. Well, if Sarah Connor is promoted right, it could have excellent ratings for the premiere at least!

DF2506
" Then again, this is FOX were talking about..."

[StoneGold]

Here's the thing about the show. It should be terrible. By all rights, it should be awful. But it had an awesome pilot. Granted, it was just the pilot, which was re-tooled, anyways.

[The Xenos]

Ha ha. So.. they WERE pairing it with 24. How many eps of Sarah Connor did they get finished before the strike?

[The Xenos]

double post

[The Xenos]

I like Summer Glau. I like cyberpunk and cyborgs. So why the hell are the first two posters of Summer crap?
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20160052,00.html

I guess I've just seen so many good cyborg images that these two are bland and terrible.

[angelamia]

Does anyone know what this site is all about? http://www.takebackthefuture.com/

It's obviously a countdown to when the Sarah Connor Chronicles will air on Jan 13+14, but I doubt it's mainly for that.

[Donald M.]

but I doubt it's mainly for that.

I doubt that.

[DonC]

Does anyone know what this site is all about? http://www.takebackthefuture.com/

It's obviously a countdown to when the Sarah Connor Chronicles will air on Jan 13+14, but I doubt it's mainly for that.


I think it's counting down to something else. Maybe the day the robots turn on humans. When I went there the clock said 1228 days. That's over three years from now.

[Donald M.]

I think it's counting down to something else. Maybe the day the robots turn on humans. When I went there the clock said 1228 days. That's over three years from now.

Well, I just found out there's supposed to be another Terminator flick in '09, so it might be related to that too.

[Nikita]

I'll probably watch the first episode out of curiousness, but it remains to be seen if I'll keep watching it after that.

[Jettison]

I'm stoked for this show....can't remember the last time I was actually stoked for a tv show....

Summer Glau!

http://smilies.newcastlebeats.com/smilies/evil2handslayer.gif

[DonC]

You can watch the entire pilot episode on www.tv.yahoo.com right now.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

Ditto Stonegold. I was very pleasantly surprised. A friend told me about it yesterday and showed it to me last night and I thought it was fun. Even the stuff that seemed odd in terms of Sarah's character feels like it could provide room for further exploration rather than just having to be a plot or characterization issue. I saw several plot and character points coming miles away and yet it still worked.

[Neal R]

I've seen shows that had awesome pilots and then self destructed over the course of it's run. Having just watched this first episode, I can see how fun this is going to be and the scenario should be strong enough to last for a typical season. Here's hoping it will stay.

However, watching this has reinforced something a friend pointed out to me about the film series. They can shoehorn this saga in between two and three quite easily and still make room for the interpretations that have come from various comic books and novels over the years because as long as John Conner exists, the war will happen. The most Sarah Conner and company can do is DELAY the start of judgement day. I like how this TV series is making allowances for this.

[Sheldon]

Just saw the premiere an really liked it. They've made 9 episodes and that will nicely replace heroes for the next few months on my viewing schedule. They set up an interesting situation and i'm curious to see where it goes. Any other thoughts?

[tricksterpup]

I agree, this show was alot of fun and I plan on watching it every week. They had me sold on this.

[marshal99]

It will be kind of repetitive though if they don't come out with some fresh ideas or every episode will end up having them going to some new location , the male terminator shows up , he and glau throws each other around , then they run away.

[maczero]

It will be kind of repetitive though if they don't come out with some fresh ideas or every episode will end up having them going to some new location , the male terminator shows up , he and glau throws each other around , then they run away.On a related note, is terminator flesh capable of growing back? If not, then he's going to have some serious trouble passing for human.

[Trey]

I thought it was really cool. Glad they had the mythology right. That's the most important thing. It felt like the Terminator franchise.

SPOILERS






The classroom shootout was intense, I couldn't help but think of Columbine and Virginia tech. When I saw they had a time machine, yeah that was pretty cool. And I'm sure every epi. is not going to be the same formula.

I'm definately gonna stick around. I don't get it, if you just watch the 1st episode and abandon it right away? Even if its not working for you? Then you never were a true Terminator fan to begin with.

[NDHorse]

Now somebody correct me if I am wrong because I don't have TIVO (This will mention a spoiler from the episode)

When they were in the vault about to warp away, Sarah Connor shoots the bad Terminator. Was it just me or did it look like the head of the Terminator flew forward toward them when he was hit. Could that have gotten into the warp with them and gone 8 years into the future with them?

[Trey]

Now somebody correct me if I am wrong because I don't have TIVO (This will mention a spoiler from the episode)

When they were in the vault about to warp away, Sarah Connor shoots the bad Terminator. Was it just me or did it look like the head of the Terminator flew forward toward them when he was hit. Could that have gotten into the warp with them and gone 8 years into the future with them?

It did get blown off. Even if it went with them, it would have been destroyed because of the organics only rule, when time travelling.

[rick]

I thought that the show was really well done and that they got the character of Sarah more or less right.

I'm looking forward to tomorrows episode.

[IamtheRock3]

pretty goo
surprisinly nice action for TV. They much of had a big budget for the pilot

[Trey]

My only complaint is the actress that plays the fem terminator is too petite. Looking at her bio, she's a ballerina, so yeah.

I would have liked a more tomboyish actress, at any rate.

And other internet buzz is that it will get cancelled. Mostly other posters, but they underestimate the strength of the franchise. Depending on what kinda other stories they have it can have a good run.

[Chiasm]

Excellent first episode. I'll definitely be coming back and I'll hope this isn't another Bionic Woman with an excellent pilot and lame series.

[Armless Penguin]

And other internet buzz is that it will get cancelled. Mostly other posters, but they underestimate the strength of the franchise. Depending on what kinda other stories they have it can have a good run.

It doesn't count as "buzz" when it's just people on the internet saying they disliked it. The first episode just aired, and there are no ratings on it. There's no way FOX is even contemplating anything yet. Besides, I highly doubt it will be canceled. Not being brought back for another season is one thing (and will depend on the kind of ratings it receives), but there's so little scripted drama on TV right now that FOX really has no other choice than to air the episodes they've already filmed in order to flesh out some originality in their schedule.

[Chiasm]

The most awesome part of the episode to me was that the show countered a serious nitpick I had.

I almost yelled "Give me a break" at my TV when Sarah took cover behind a chair while the bad Terminator shot at her. Because no way does a chair stop those bullets. I was pleasantly surprised to see the show deal with this by bringing up the oddity of a Kevlar lined chair. Its still a bit unbelievable but at least they dealt with it instead of making those of us who know guns suspend our disbelief so much.

[IamtheRock3]

I wonder how Sara Boyfriend and the black cop going to play into it

also if there was any piece of the robot left in the bank. I mean odd question will be ask, Conner still look 15

think the cop may end up helping them as the series get on. This the one sci fi show on Fox, we may see all the episode Air

because lets face it right now...they have no choice

[Far From Realmer]

The only thing that worries me is fresh material, while skynet could certainly send a badguy of the week every epsiode, how are they gonna keep the steam rolling in the long run. Terminator is a movie series for a reason it's good short term but i don't like it's odd's long term. Don't get me wrong i like it and hope it makes it, but alot of shows with more stable long term plots have gotten canned.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i hated the fact that the violence was toned down from the pilot.

[IamtheRock3]

The only thing that worries me is fresh material, while skynet could certainly send a badguy of the week every epsiode, how are they gonna keep the steam rolling in the long run. Terminator is a movie series for a reason it's good short term but i don't like it's odd's long term. Don't get me wrong i like it and hope it makes it, but alot of shows with more stable long term plots have gotten canned.

Well there the cops and FBI on there tail, HECK CIA now a day, sense blowing up Buildings (like she did with skynet) a bit frown upound in the post 9/11 world

What all this running do to the family bound

and trying to destroy present day skynet

[Sean Whitmore]

i hated the fact that the violence was toned down from the pilot.

What are some of the things they changed?


SEAN

[ultramandingo]

......hope they keep up with the time traveling
terminators in austria in the 40s
terminators at the 1970 mister universe body building competion - special guest star lou ferigno
terminators in the 80s acting class
terminators in wasington dc 2012

[TROUBLEZ]

The whole show was sick. Lena Hedley and Summer Glau were cool, story was good, and the vault scene was a good ending. This is my new favorite show.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

What are some of the things they changed?


SEANalot of the physical stuff. like the school shooting scene..also the pilot didn't cut away as fast as this version did.

[StoneGold]

It did get blown off. Even if it went with them, it would have been destroyed because of the organics only rule, when time travelling.

Except there's a little plot hole there. Summer has some steel showing.

[kalorama]

On a related note, is terminator flesh capable of growing back? If not, then he's going to have some serious trouble passing for human.


Yes it is. They covered that in T2. In fact, if you look closely at the male Terminator's head as he heads into the building, you can see that his skin and hair have already started to regenerate from the truck explosion.

I really liked it. TV sci-fi is tough to pull off, but I think they did a pretty good job. An interesting take on the material and the performances were pretty good. They gave us enough background so that anyone who wasn't in the know could figure things out, but thy didn't weigh it down with exposition.

[StoneGold]

Interesting. In this version, time travel was invented in 2027. In the original time stream, it was invented in 2029, right before the Terminators used it to send the CS-101 back in time. And because this bot is from 2027, that doesn't give us any real confirmation whether John manages to blow up Skynet in 2029, like the original history went.


Still, I like that this is just alternate timelines, as opposed to history recorrecting itself. Because ye gods, was that a stupid idea. Where the hell was the Terminator version of Sam Beckett to pull that one off?

[metalhead_dave743]

I didn't like what I saw. Having "Cameron" utter Arnold/Beign's famous line sounded totally out of place. And the fact that Arnold is replaced by a petie girl who can pose as a high schooler is retarded. I would have rather that Sarah and John have NO robot guardian, it worked for the first Terminator.

The story kind of felt really rushed. And I didn't like the cinematography at all. And the fact that they time travel to 2007 was retarded. Why not keep it in 99? We haven't progressed THAT far with Technology.

The only way I could see this working is if they have each episode be part of bigger arc that lasts this season or half a season. Not have a "Terminator of the week" come after them but cast one guy or girl as a Terminator for a bunch of episodes at a time.

Lena is great though. She does Sarah Connor really well, reminded me of Linda Hamilton a lot. Though she should have bulked up a bit.:D

But I don't think I'm going to be following this, there is too much that I don't like.

[Deathstroke]

I liked the first episode and will stick with the show.

Gotta support Summer if nothing else, right?

I like this timeline better than the one that gave us that abortion Terminator 3 film.

[edhopper]

I guess some posters haven't seen Serenity. Summer Glau can definitely pull off being the badest badass around.
Yes. the stories are going to make or break this series. But it was a great start.

[LtMarvel]

Other than the cell phone camera of naked people being broadcast on national TV (how often does that happen?) and trying to wrap my brain around how they got the time traveling stuff in the bank vault (who paid for all the safety deposit boxes; how'd they get the tech there), I thought it was a pretty good pilot.

[metalhead_dave743]

I guess some posters haven't seen Serenity. Summer Glau can definitely pull off being the badest badass around.
Yes. the stories are going to make or break this series. But it was a great start.

I've seen Serenity, and I liked Summer in the role. But she's no Terminator to me. But nobody can replace Arnold, so I'd rather they DIDN'T have a cyborg gaurdian.

[Phil Clark]

I personally wonder just how different she is from other Terminators. I mean... she ate something. And she seems to have some rudimentary emotions.

[maczero]

Other than the cell phone camera of naked people being broadcast on national TV (how often does that happen?) and trying to wrap my brain around how they got the time traveling stuff in the bank vault (who paid for all the safety deposit boxes; how'd they get the tech there), I thought it was a pretty good pilot.If you have an account at the bank then they simply withdraw the safety deposit fees from the account. As to how they snuck in the equipment, I'll fanwank that the guy who helped construct the vault came by periodically to perform maintenance on the security system. If it was at night then perhaps he would have been able to sneak in the time machine equipment.

[The Shelf]

Is it okay for me to blame the writer's strike for the bad dialog, or was this show made and finished before the writer's strike even began?

Sorry, I just can't get, "Class dismissed," out of my head. Stupid, terrible line.

But the show does look interesting. I'll watch a few more episodes probably. I'm curious to see how they're going to make an ongoing series out of the simple concepts of fleeing terminators and destroying Skynet. Plus, Summer's awesome. Firefly forever!

Can someone answer some questions for me, though? Has it ever been explained why the terminators only send one terminator back at a time? And has it ever been explained why they don't keep sending terminators back in time before the first movie? I mean, seriously, going back to a time after the targets know you're hunting them is just stupid. They could easily kill Sarah Conner before the events of the first movie. They could even kill her when she's a child, or kill her parents, etc. The only explanation I can think of is that they're trying to minimize the effects on the future. But seriously, why send terminators after T1, and not before? And why send only one every time?

And on another note... why was the terminator in the show not liquid like the one in T2? None of it really makes any sense to me. But I guess it's fun to watch anyway.

[Magneto_X]

The Shelf:

It's Plot Induced Stupidity.

If Skynet was realistic it would have sent an army of Terminators every time it wanted to kill John.

You wouldn't have a franchise with that.

Even Arnie isn't tough enough to save him from that. lol

edit: Not that this couldn't be easily dealt with. The writers just need to explain the time travel device and give it a simple limitation: say it only works for a single person each time and takes a while to reload the energy for every departure. That way they'd have a loophole for only sending 3 in the movies and atleast one in the tv show.

Same thing with not trying to assassinate Sarah as a kid. The device could have a limit to the amount of year it could go back to.

[Lord of Denial]

I didn't like what I saw. Having "Cameron" utter Arnold/Beign's famous line sounded totally out of place. And the fact that Arnold is replaced by a petie girl who can pose as a high schooler is retarded. I would have rather that Sarah and John have NO robot guardian, it worked for the first Terminator.

The story kind of felt really rushed. And I didn't like the cinematography at all. And the fact that they time travel to 2007 was retarded. Why not keep it in 99? We haven't progressed THAT far with Technology.

The only way I could see this working is if they have each episode be part of bigger arc that lasts this season or half a season. Not have a "Terminator of the week" come after them but cast one guy or girl as a Terminator for a bunch of episodes at a time.

Lena is great though. She does Sarah Connor really well, reminded me of Linda Hamilton a lot. Though she should have bulked up a bit.:D

But I don't think I'm going to be following this, there is too much that I don't like.

The writers have said the show is planned out for all this season and it will not fall into a "Terminator of the week" pattern as Sarah, John and Cameron will face other dangerous threats. And they have season two and three roughly mapped out.

[sehthan]

I personally wonder just how different she is from other Terminators. I mean... she ate something. And she seems to have some rudimentary emotions.


My guess is that she's not an android, she's a human who got cyborged.


I didn't like what I saw. Having "Cameron" utter Arnold/Beign's famous line sounded totally out of place. And the fact that Arnold is replaced by a petie girl who can pose as a high schooler is retarded.


To each their own, but I disagree. Terminators are supposed to be able to blend in with human populations, and Cameron is specifically supposed to get close to John. "Teenage girl" makes perfect sense as a disguise here. Disguising your killer robot as a dude that looks like a killer robot might make emotional sense in the monster movie that the original functionally was, but if you're taking the premise seriously, it's not really a great disguise.


And the fact that they time travel to 2007 was retarded. Why not keep it in 99?

They probably wanted to have the setting be (pretty much) present-day without having to age the characters significantly. If it'd just played like hand-waving I would have found it cheap. But since time travel is part of the premise, and it looks like their disapperance will continue to be a plot point, I'm going with it for now.

[Perry Holley]

I personally wonder just how different she is from other Terminators. I mean... she ate something. And she seems to have some rudimentary emotions.What she says:

"I am different."

What she means:

"Your future-self programmed me to have hot, kinky sex with you."

[Lord of Denial]

What she says:

"I am different."

What she means:

"Your future-self programmed me to have hot, kinky sex with you."

I would worry about him if he did not do that.

[hoffmandu]

Substitute teacher Terminator = lamest idea ever. I remember the days when a T-800 used to run cars through police HQ's, blow everybody away etc.. Ahhh, the glory days.

[The Shelf]

edit: Not that this couldn't be easily dealt with. The writers just need to explain the time travel device and give it a simple limitation: say it only works for a single person each time and takes a while to reload the energy for every departure. That way they'd have a loophole for only sending 3 in the movies and atleast one in the tv show.

You make some good points here, but then... in last night's show all three of them were able to travel to 2007 at the same time, presumably while using a lesser time machine since it had to be built in the past. So if three was the limit, you'd think the terminators would send three at a time. Of course, one could argue that traveling to the past and traveling to the future have different limitations. I don't really want to think about it anymore. I'm content to just say things happened the way they happened and leave it at that. Like you said, there'd be no franchise if this stuff worked in a manner that made sense.

On another note, does anyone else think that Summer might actually be a cyborg terminator? Perhaps she's even Conner's daughter who was about to die, but the human resistance saved her and merged her with a terminator to keep her alive. That would explain the eating and emotions, etc. I'm not sure about her being related to Conner, but that would make for an interesting twist like in T1. It could also add an "ew" factor like Luke and Leia in Star Wars. In any case, I'm sure Summer's a cyborg. If I'm right, just remember who you heard it from. ;)

EDIT: CRAP! Sehthan, beat me to it! On the cyborg bit anyway.

EDIT x2:
Substitute teacher Terminator = lamest idea ever. I remember the days when a T-800 used to run cars through police HQ's, blow everybody away etc.. Ahhh, the glory days.

Come on! You have to admit the substitute teacher thing was funny! Even if the "class dismissed" line was horrid.

[sehthan]

EDIT: CRAP! Sehthan, beat me to it! On the cyborg bit anyway.


If we're right, I'm willing to split the credit. But I doubt that she's related to John, if only because I think they'll want to develop her as a credible love interest.

[Magneto_X]

The Shelf:

Rumour has it that the lead in T4 will be similar to that theory.

Or close to it.

Connor supposedy barely shows up in the 4. In 5 he'll have a star role.

[Acecool]

The one thing, and I am sure that this is plot induced stupidity, is why didn't she rip off the terminator's human face why he was stunned and out. I mean out him as a terminator would instantly give sarah cred, plus he would have a hard ass time getting around with all those police guys after him.

Of course that could be explained as he would probably be used in experiments to figure out how he works and thus bringing about the end of the world faster.

[The Shelf]

How many movies are they making? I haven't really followed the Terminator franchise until now. I heard they're making an animated series in the vein of those Matrix cartoons as well.

[StoneGold]

If Skynet was realistic it would have sent an army of Terminators every time it wanted to kill John.

According to the last two movies, it couldn't. Sending back the first T-800 and the T-1000 were last ditch attempts to erase John Connor from existence after he had already defeated Skynet. The humans had already won.

[metalhead_dave743]

To each their own, but I disagree. Terminators are supposed to be able to blend in with human populations, and Cameron is specifically supposed to get close to John. "Teenage girl" makes perfect sense as a disguise here. Disguising your killer robot as a dude that looks like a killer robot might make emotional sense in the monster movie that the original functionally was, but if you're taking the premise seriously, it's not really a great disguise.



I understand the practical aspect of it, and I guess if they wanted to keep it fresh and not try to ripoff off Arnold they would go with that kind of gaurdian. But as I said before I feel that Arnold as the protagonist can't be replaced and I would have rather had it if they didn't have a Terminator to save their asses. It worked in T1. That's just how I feel about it.


They probably wanted to have the setting be (pretty much) present-day without having to age the characters significantly. If it'd just played like hand-waving I would have found it cheap. But since time travel is part of the premise, and it looks like their disapperance will continue to be a plot point, I'm going with it for now.

Okay, but T3 showed the world ending in 2003, yet they time traveled to 4 years in the future. I get that anything can happen with time travel and all that, but I dunno, it just doesn't do it for me.

[The Shelf]

Okay, but T3 showed the world ending in 2003, yet they time traveled to 4 years in the future. I get that anything can happen with time travel and all that, but I dunno, it just doesn't do it for me.

Perhaps the reason the world ended in 2003 rather than later in T3 was a result of something that happened in this show? Let things play out. If the answers don't come by the time the series ends, then we can complain about it.

[StoneGold]

Okay, but T3 showed the world ending in 2003, yet they time traveled to 4 years in the future. I get that anything can happen with time travel and all that, but I dunno, it just doesn't do it for me.

Ignore T3. They seem to be, and I prefer it that way. Because, you know, it sucked.

[Magneto_X]

The one thing, and I am sure that this is plot induced stupidity, is why didn't she rip off the terminator's human face why he was stunned and out. I mean out him as a terminator would instantly give sarah cred, plus he would have a hard ass time getting around with all those police guys after him.

Of course that could be explained as he would probably be used in experiments to figure out how he works and thus bringing about the end of the world faster.

Unless she's got super-strength or cutting equipment that won't be an option. She also won't be doing while it's activated. Any human who gets with its arms reach is *dead* to a Terminator.

[Magneto_X]

How many movies are they making? I haven't really followed the Terminator franchise until now. I heard they're making an animated series in the vein of those Matrix cartoons as well.

It's a new trilogy.

McG is directing T4.

[metalhead_dave743]

Perhaps the reason the world ended in 2003 rather than later in T3 was a result of something that happened in this show? Let things play out. If the answers don't come by the time the series ends, then we can complain about it.


Eh, I guess I'll give tonights Episode a shot, my curiosity is still going.


Ignore T3. They seem to be, and I prefer it that way. Because, you know, it sucked.

I liked T3. Hang me.

[The Shelf]

Unless she's got super-strength or cutting equipment that won't be an option. She also won't be doing while it's activated. Any human who gets with its arms reach is *dead* to a Terminator.

EDIT: Nevermind. I re-read Acecool's post. Forget I said anything.

EDIT x2: But on a related note, why didn't Summer kill the terminator after she shut down his systems with the electricity? She seems to be more than capable of it, and he doesn't seem to be as advanced as the second and third terminator models.

[Wally_West]

Same thing with not trying to assassinate Sarah as a kid. The device could have a limit to the amount of year it could go back to.

Magneto_X.

Not to play devils advocate, and while I support the idea that they can only time travel a number of years, how would you explain the safety deposit box that Summer opened in 1963?

Because the implications of this are quit obvious. If they could send her back to 1963 (and quite possibly EARLIER because they gave the builder of the vault all the material he needed to store the time machine), they could have sent terminators back in time to kill Sarah Conner as a kid, or even before she was born.

Oh another note, I really dislike the way Summer's character ended up. I hella liked her at the beginning when she was still a "normal" girl. Then she went all terminator on us, and that destroyed her character. :cries:

[Wally_West]

I liked T3. Hang me.

I liked T3 too!

Every one of my friends frowns at me with disdain when I mention this. Like I spoke some sort of blasphemy that insulted their beliefs.

To everyone else, please don't flame us. ;)

[Lord of Denial]

I liked T3 too!

Every one of my friends frowns at me with disdain when I mention this. Like I spoke some sort of blasphemy that insulted their beliefs.

To everyone else, please don't flame us. ;)

Put me down as one that like T3.

I even thought the ending was very well done was right in line with the T-850 mission.

Most people hated that ending.

[Magneto_X]

Magneto_X.

Not to play devils advocate, and while I support the idea that they can only time travel a number of years, how would you explain the safety deposit box that Summer opened in 1963?

Because the implications of this are quit obvious. If they could send her back to 1963 (and quite possibly EARLIER because they gave the builder of the vault all the material he needed to store the time machine), they could have sent terminators back in time to kill Sarah Conner as a kid, or even before she was born.

Oh another note, I really dislike the way Summer's character ended up. I hella liked her at the beginning when she was still a "normal" girl. Then she went all terminator on us, and that destroyed her character. :cries:

I've only seen the pilot ep so I can't comment on the part where they went to 1963.

[Armless Penguin]

I liked T3, though not nearly as much as JUDGEMENT DAY, but the creators of the show have said that it's not in continuity with their universe, which only involves the first two films.

[Magneto_X]

I liked T3 too!

Every one of my friends frowns at me with disdain when I mention this. Like I spoke some sort of blasphemy that insulted their beliefs.

To everyone else, please don't flame us. ;)

I enjoyed it, too.

They should have kept Mostow as the director for 4. :(

[Wally_West]

I've only seen the pilot ep so I can't comment on the part where they went to 1963.

On their way to the bank to open the safety deposit box, when Sarah asks Summer when she went to open a safety deposit box, Summer replies with "1963." Hopefully they showed this on the TV pilot. Otherwise, shame on Fox.

[The Shelf]

I've only seen the pilot ep so I can't comment on the part where they went to 1963.

But Summer did say toward the end of the pilot that they sent someone back to 1963 or earlier (I'm not sure if it was her or someone else) to place the time machine stuff in the vault.

EDIT: Wally, it was in the TV pilot because that's all I've seen.

[Magneto_X]

On their way to the bank to open the safety deposit box, when Sarah asks Summer when she went to open a safety deposit box, Summer replies with "1963." Hopefully they showed this on the TV pilot. Otherwise, shame on Fox.

Maybe it's been a while since I saw the pilot or they added the scene because I can't remember it in the pilot I saw a few months ago.

[StoneGold]

But Summer did say toward the end of the pilot that they sent someone back to 1963 or earlier (I'm not sure if it was her or someone else) to place the time machine stuff in the vault.

EDIT: Wally, it was in the TV pilot because that's all I've seen.

Suddenly I'm thinking maybe the humans managed to build their own time machine? Because otherwise, that's a lot of everyone using that one Skynet time machine.


Cameron didn't set up the safe deposit box, though. That was some human, apparently. The whole thing about them becoming an engineer to build the bank and all.

[The Shelf]

Maybe it's been a while since I saw the pilot or they added the scene because I can't remember it in the pilot I saw a few months ago.

Well, it doesn't matter in any case because apparently the explanation is that the terminators were practically defeated when they sent 'bots back in time. But still, you'd think they would have sent the second and third terminators back to the same time period as the first one so that they could all team up against the Conners. But then we would have gotten three movies retelling a new version of the exact same story.

[sehthan]

EDIT x2: But on a related note, why didn't Summer kill the terminator after she shut down his systems with the electricity? She seems to be more than capable of it, and he doesn't seem to be as advanced as the second and third terminator models.


My thought was that she chose in the moment to catch up with John and Sarah instead. She probably could have finished off the Termi, but that would have meant letting the Connors get away without her, and she'd have to track them down again.

[EZMOHR]

For all the people who say they didn't deal with T3....I kind of thought they did. Could it be the fact that John Connor wasn't around, and he time traveled to 2007, mean that a chain of events got changed where the events that led to 2003 as the end did not happen? Cause I know in the EW(I think where I read it) article about the show, the creators and actors said they are going to deal with T3 and the fact Sarah has leukimia, a thread from T3.

Overall I like the show, but my one fear is that Cameron is gonna become a little too Battlestar Galactica Cylon'esque. That isn't bad, it's just it should only be on one good show...Battlestar Galactica. Still don't like Summer Glau at all, but at least she doesn't distract from the show.

[kalorama]

EDIT: Nevermind. I re-read Acecool's post. Forget I said anything.

EDIT x2: But on a related note, why didn't Summer kill the terminator after she shut down his systems with the electricity? She seems to be more than capable of it, and he doesn't seem to be as advanced as the second and third terminator models.

She told Sarah when she got in the car that his systems would reboot after 120 seconds. It probably would have taken longer than that to totally disable him with her bare hands and she figured it was more important to use the time to get Sarah and John out of harm's way.

[kalorama]

To each their own, but I disagree. Terminators are supposed to be able to blend in with human populations, and Cameron is specifically supposed to get close to John. "Teenage girl" makes perfect sense as a disguise here. Disguising your killer robot as a dude that looks like a killer robot might make emotional sense in the monster movie that the original functionally was, but if you're taking the premise seriously, it's not really a great disguise.

The one thing to consider is that (at least in the movies) the human resistance didn't design and build the Terminators. Skynet did. The "good" Terminators were ones that had been captured and reprogrammed by the Resistance. That being said, since the first movie noted that Skynet designed the Terminator units for "infiltration" it still makes sense for them to have made a model whose presence among the human population would have drawn less suspicion and been more easily accepted than someone who looked like a soldier/killer. The question is, what kind of specific mission did Skynet have in mind when they built Cameron?

EDIT:

The other question is: How does the resistance manage to keep capturing the Terminators?

[Magneto_X]

Still don't like Summer Glau at all

Have you no soul?! :eek:

kalo:

Maybe Skynet wanted to use Cameron as a spy or scout rather then as a hunter?

[Lord of Denial]

Is it me or did they ramp up The Terminators power in the series?

I don't remember Arnold flipping over buses and ripping apart Bank Vault Doors.

[kalorama]

kalo:

If Skynet did send Cameron, I thought it was the resistance?, maybe they were going to use more as a spy or scout rather then as a hunter?

The Resistance are the ones who sent Summer (and Arnold) back to protect John, But they weren't (at least based on what we know so far) the ones who designed and built her. In all of the Terminator movies it was stated that the android protectors were captured Skynet agents whom the Resistance had reprogrammed for their own purposes.

[Magneto_X]

The Resistance are the ones who sent Summer (and Arnold) back to protect John, But they weren't (at least based on what we know so far) the ones who designed and built her. In all of the Terminator movies it was stated that the android protectors were captured Skynet agents whom the Resistance had reprogrammed for their own purposes.

It would be great if the tv show revealed the circumstances of how the resistance captured and reprogrammed the Terminators. Perhaps they could even get Arnie to be in the cameo as T-800 and T-850.

[EZMOHR]

Have you no soul?! :eek:

kalo:

Maybe Skynet wanted to use Cameron as a spy or scout rather then as a hunter?

She just seems so....generic. Plus it doesn't help you could play a movie on her forehead. Just not my cup of tea.

Got to say, I like the Miles Dyson shout out in the series, and I hope it builds on a pretty decent opening episode.

[sehthan]

The one thing to consider is that (at least in the movies) the human resistance didn't design and build the Terminators. Skynet did. The "good" Terminators were ones that had been captured and reprogrammed by the Resistance. That being said, since the first movie noted that Skynet designed the Terminator units for "infiltration" it still makes sense for them to have made a model whose presence among the human population would have drawn less suspicion and been more easily accepted than someone who looked like a soldier/killer. The question is, what kind of specific mission did Skynet have in mind when they built Cameron?


If Skynet built Cameron, there may not have been a more specific mission than "look harmless." However, my suspicion is that Cameron isn't another captured Terminator, but a cyborged human, and I'm guessing she probably was built by the Resistance (although possibly/probably using captured parts).

[Armless Penguin]

For all the people who say they didn't deal with T3....I kind of thought they did. Could it be the fact that John Connor wasn't around, and he time traveled to 2007, mean that a chain of events got changed where the events that led to 2003 as the end did not happen? Cause I know in the EW(I think where I read it) article about the show, the creators and actors said they are going to deal with T3 and the fact Sarah has leukimia, a thread from T3.

Nope, they're not:

IGN TV: Are you working within the continuity of the Terminator movies, specifically Terminator 3?

Friedman: We're gonna go off on our own. I think the thing about T3 is, obviously there was just no Sarah Connor and that's something the fans were never happy with. I don't even think the people who made T3 were happy with that. It just wasn't a choice of theirs. You know, Linda Hamilton was going through some things and didn't want to be a part of it. They had a script at one point I know; there was a T3 that had Sarah in it. I've never read it. I don't know anything about it. But I know that they did and they wanted to do that. They wanted it to be kind of her trilogy, and it never could be. So I think that my feeling was this TV series to me sort of serves as the third act to that trilogy - what could have happened had we followed that after T2. So I almost think of this as T3. To me it takes the place of T3. But also I think that sort of in the spirit of Terminator, it's an alternate timeline. I know a lot of people get very worked up about the continuity and the canon and all that stuff. What I try to do is stay very, very true to the first two movies and then sort of take it from there. But always remain true to the spirit of everyone's intent and again, take some time with this woman and explore what maybe would have happened.

[xnef1025]

If Skynet built Cameron, there may not have been a more specific mission than "look harmless." However, my suspicion is that Cameron isn't another captured Terminator, but a cyborged human, and I'm guessing she probably was built by the Resistance (although possibly/probably using captured parts).
That would be cool, and explain how she can eat. The old Dark Horse comics had a character that was a human medic that was cyborged by Skynet to provide field medical care to the Terminators' outer skins. He also doubled as a spy since he could get past the dogs.

Another possiblity: She's not cyborged human or captured Terminator. She could be a new model of AI that grew a conscience and went rogue.

[EZMOHR]

Nope, they're not:

This is a different interview than he gave in EW. He says the same thing, but he goes more like, they aren't linking to T2 and T3, but that T3 is still there and it happened. Again, I don't remember if it was EW, TV, Guide, or something else, but the producer said something to the effect there are T3 nods in the new show.

And, another vote for being a fan of T3. It isn't high art, but it is fun to watch and had a ballsy ending.

[Jared]

I don't understand why the show started out in 1999 if they didn't have to stay there. They even say that it's been two years since T2, but that doesn't fit with the timeline at all. T2 came out in 91, and was maybe set as late as 93, but that's it. I guess we can assume that some of the off-screen time-traveling mentioned in the pilot changed all the dates around, but that begs the question of whether this continuity even had the film events happen the way we saw them.


As for why not killing Sarah when she was younger, or killing her mother, etc...maybe Skynet knows that it owes its existence the grandfather paradox set up in the first movie. If it doesn't send the Terminator back to the 80s, it might not be built.

BTW, I wonder what happened to the time-travel device left back in 1999. Was it designed to burn up so the authorities can't figure out what it was?

It seems odd that Cameron could only act so human before her cover was blown, but there's obviously alot more to her than we know so far.

"Gay Boy" from Heroes is makes for a really good John Connor. Lena Headey is good, but she's got tough shoes to fill. Maybe she could hit the gym more.

[Lord of Denial]

www.TerminatorSite.com

Spoilers and explanations on if the series take place in an alternate time line then T3.

[Wally_West]

I don't know where they plan to take the Cameron character, but all I can say is that if later on in the series she betrays john and sarah, I will never watch terminator again.

There will be no reason for the writer to string us along making us believe that Cameron is a goodie, then during ep 11 or whatnot, to suddenly turn the tables and have her betray the mother-son pair.

So I seriously hope, for the sake of the show, that she is a goodie, and not a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.

[StoneGold]

I don't know where they plan to take the Cameron character, but all I can say is that if later on in the series she betrays john and sarah, I will never watch terminator again.

There will be no reason for the writer to string us along making us believe that Cameron is a goodie, then during ep 11 or whatnot, to suddenly turn the tables and have her betray the mother-son pair.

So I seriously hope, for the sake of the show, that she is a goodie, and not a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.

I hope you're wrong. And to counteract you, I will have two televisions running. Which does no good, since I'm not Nielson, but I'm just sayin'.

[jerrymcl89]

Is it me or did they ramp up The Terminators power in the series?

I don't remember Arnold flipping over buses and ripping apart Bank Vault Doors.


I was thinking quite the contrary. These Terminators pale in comparison with the shape-shifting Robert Patrick version from T2.

[Sheldon]

I don't know where they plan to take the Cameron character, but all I can say is that if later on in the series she betrays john and sarah, I will never watch terminator again.

There will be no reason for the writer to string us along making us believe that Cameron is a goodie, then during ep 11 or whatnot, to suddenly turn the tables and have her betray the mother-son pair.

So I seriously hope, for the sake of the show, that she is a goodie, and not a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.

I'm just hoping John doesn't fall in love with her and they end up getting it on.

[Deathstroke]

What she says:

"I am different."

What she means:

"Your future-self programmed me to have hot, kinky sex with you."

I'm fairly sure a lot of fans of Summer Glau wish that she was saying that.

[Deathstroke]

Ignore T3. They seem to be, and I prefer it that way. Because, you know, it sucked.

Big Donkey Balls.

[tricksterpup]

I'm just hoping John doesn't fall in love with her and they end up getting it on.

What, you mean you never ever heard of Sexbots?

[Wally_West]

What, you mean you never ever heard of Sexbots?

OOH! Those would be nice.

[NDHorse]

Now somebody correct me if I am wrong because I don't have TIVO (This will mention a spoiler from the episode)

When they were in the vault about to warp away, Sarah Connor shoots the bad Terminator. Was it just me or did it look like the head of the Terminator flew forward toward them when he was hit. Could that have gotten into the warp with them and gone 8 years into the future with them?

YES, I CALLED IT :)

[marshal99]

I'm just hoping John doesn't fall in love with her and they end up getting it on.

If i have a hot terminator like that and who would obey me , i would have plenty of kinky ideas on what to do with her when there's some downtime. ;) :D

[StoneGold]

If i have a hot terminator like that and who would obey me , i would have plenty of kinky ideas on what to do with her when there's some downtime. ;) :D

Only if you have a very small penis.

[Sheldon]

So thoughts on tonights episode?
There were some crummy acting moments, but the idea that the resistance has a bunch of folks running around doing stuff in the past is pretty interesting.
The terminator walking around with a dead dudes head is pretty odd.

All in all its good enough to have me tune in next week.

[blackdragon6]

i enjoyed T3 but it was definitely the weakest entry by far. what almost killed it was the light tone of it......what saved it for me was the cynical ending.

[blackdragon6]

The terminator walking around with a dead dudes head is pretty odd.

.
i thought that was awesome!!

[DonC]

Wasn't Rule #1 of time travel that nothing non-organic could make the trip? How'd the Terminator head do it?

[tricksterpup]

Wasn't Rule #1 of time travel that nothing non-organic could make the trip? How'd the Terminator head do it?

It was up John's ass.. duh.

[Magneto_X]

What, you mean you never ever heard of Sexbots?

Japan is getting freaky close to making these real.

Their latest was a female android who would talk. She looked almost real, until she moved. They haven't figured out how to make them move smoothly like humans yet. :eek:

[IamtheRock3]

Japan is getting freaky close to making these real.

Their latest was a female android who would talk. She looked almost real, until she moved. They haven't figured out how to make them move smoothly like humans yet. :eek:

where there a penis theres a way

will figure it out soon enough.

[Armless Penguin]

Wasn't Rule #1 of time travel that nothing non-organic could make the trip? How'd the Terminator head do it?

o_O

The same way the countless other terminators traveled through time.

[xnef1025]

Getting hit by the isotope cannon in combination with the force of the explosion of