DC League Championship: Sean Whitmore & Sophisticated_Gamer vs. Atom_basher [Archive]

Jessica Drew

05-17-2007, 05:05 PM

Welcome to the final match of the 2007 DC League! The DC League is a large-scale series of battles—a tournament—where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place at night in the middle of an abandoned city street 100 yards away from each other, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (with few exceptions), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. This match will last forty-eight hours, rather than the usual twenty-four. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

NOTE - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

The championship match pits Sean Whitmore & Sophisticated_Gamer vs. Atom_basher

Sean Whitmore & Sophisticated_Gamer: Black Alice, Parasite, Gorilla Grodd, Raven, The Ray, Elasti-Girl

Atom_basher: Dr. Light, Faith, Kyle Rayner, Animal Man, Captain Marvel, Jr., Mr. Miracle, Guardian

Jessica Drew

05-17-2007, 05:08 PM

Sean Whitmore & Sophisticated_Gamer's strategy:

First: Evade
Raven teleports my team deep within the building closest to the opposing team, leaves Grodd there, and teleports the rest of them into a different building. Grodd goes into the minds of his teammates to prevent them from any initial psychic assault, which he shouldn’t have to keep up for long. If no such attack is forthcoming, Grodd launches the attack against Faith, keeping her on the defensive. Any major physical attack against the building could very well bring it crumbling down on the heads of A_B's team.

Second: Prepare
Once in the building, my team has only scant seconds to make their moves undetected. Black Alice* steals the powers of Captain Marvel Jr. and Animal Man**. Though Buddy’s powers came from extraterrestrials, his link to the Red is undoubtedly mystical. (He’s even a regular at the Oblivion Bar, for magic wielders only)

Parasite grabs the Ray and drains him of as much power as he can in the few seconds they have. Ray helps this process by willingly pumping out his energy into Parasite. As soon as Parasite has sufficient power (and memory), he creates a solid-light helmet for himself (identical to Ray’s) and shifts into pure light form.

Elasti-Girl shrinks down to an inch and grabs onto Raven’s cloak.

Grodd continues to attack and/or defend against Faith, if he is still active. Since Faith knows where he is, he can obviously be attacked by A_B’s team, though that doesn’t mean he won’t be able to defend himself with his great strength, agility, and telekinesis.

Third: Attack:
Parasite, disguised as the Ray, streaks out of the building, flying straight toward Doctor Light. If Light is behind a non-light shield of some kind, Parasite stays just out of his reach, drawing the Doctor to him and away from his protection (Light has been shown to need…or at least prefer…close proximity to absorb light from someone). If there’s a light shield, Parasite will just absorb it. Doctor Light will suck the light energy out of Parasite with ease…but the Parasite is now close enough to use his own power to suck the energy right back out of Light. If Light tries to escape, Parasite will grab him and hold him still with the strength of three men (himself, Ray, and Light)

Black Animal Marvel attacks Ion, dodging or destroying any constructs in her path with super strength or speed. When she gets closer to Ion, she summons the power of a pistol shrimp and fires a sonic blast to keep him from concentrating. If Grodd is already down at this point (and Faith is not ensconced in anything sound-proof), Black Animal Marvel lets loose with the full power of an African Cicada, blanketing the entire area with thousands of decibels of sound. This should have the same effect on Ion, and have the added benefit of keeping Faith from focusing her powers. If Ion has a sound-proof shield up, Raven will teleport herself and Elasti-Girl within it, and then attack Ion himself. Parasite’s eardrums will be protected while in light form.

Assuming that the Cicada thing doesn’t happen, Raven teleports in front of Mister Miracle and (as Elasti-Girl lets go of her cloak) lets loose with a freezing cold blast from her soul self that should muck up his technology. Elasti-Girl grows to forty feet as she falls, and smashes Guardian and the powerless mystics, Buddy and Freddie. If Raven needs assistance, Elast-Girl will then stretch her limbs over to Miracle and knock him senseless. (If the Cicada thing does happen, they should all be knocked unconscious as well. Unless they’re also within the soundproof bubble, in which case, my guys teleport in and do what I just said)

Fourth: This is the end…my only friend, the end
The Parasite attacks Faith with all of Doctor Light’s powers. He can easily dodge or destroy anything that is hurled at him, and can absorb a telepathic or telekinetic assault leveled directly against him. Parasite will fire a white-light burst directly at Faith’s eyes, and follow through with a barrage of his most powerful laser beams. Elasti-Girl will pound on Faith’s TK shield, while Raven assaults her emotions with her soul self. If Grodd is still active at this point, he will take advantage of Faith’s split focus and overpower her mind.

Black Animal Marvel uses Buddy’s new universal powers to summon the properties of an animal from the planet Bgztl, home world of Legionnaire Phantom Girl. In new continuity, Bgztl exists in the same place as Earth, just out of phase with it. With the properties of one of its inhabitants, she should be able to phase through any shields or offensive constructs Ion erects, and then beat him into unconsciousness with her Marvel strength. And if no one buys that, she just keeps Ion occupied long enough for Parasite and Ray (by now recovered) to join in and absorb Ion’s light constructs. Sooner or later, someone is getting through and putting Kyle down.

Covering my ass
*If Black Alice is somehow disabled or unable to steal magic, the Parasite absorbs her power and does what I listed for her above. This will leave the Ray active. So while Parasite is battling Doctor Light, Ray will attack Ion with all his power. My team will restructure their remaining attacks accordingly.
**If for some reason, you just simply CAN’T buy Black Alice stealing Animal Man’s power, she steals Zatanna’s instead, and immediately makes with the spell: “deR eht ot ssecca oN.” And with Zatanna's powers, she can accomplish everything I have her listed as doing with Buddy's powers.

Jessica Drew

05-17-2007, 05:09 PM

Atom_basher's strategy:

I have to play smart and use my entire team super efficiently. The opposing team powerful and versatile everyone on the opposing team is a legitimate threat. Not to mention due to. So my plan is to use a powerful offense as my best defense.

Phase 1 (Happening instantly and simultaneously)

*CM3 races against time and blitzes across the field before anyone on the opposing team can perceive or completely react and slams into Raven hard enough to knock her out. Parasite will probably be out on duty to drain the speed from CM3, but since that ability is a conscious ability (and not one that is automatic) Parasite shouldn't even be fast enough to stop CM3's attack. Alice will undoubtedly attempt to steal his abilities, but due to the fact that she is only human she won’t be quick enough on the draw to take his powers before CM3 smashes Raven. This should eliminate any mass teleportation

*Animal man uses Grodd’s telepathy against him. (Vixen has done the very same thing in an issue of flash, and animal man draws his powers from the same place, AND is better at using his power) he engages Grodd in a telepathic battle, Animal man engages Grodd so vigorously he will keep him completely distracted. To amplify his telepathic powers, Buddy will also adapt the abilities of Mr. Mind. When Mr. Mind inhabited the body of Brainwave, he amplified his powers. Animal man will self amplify

*Mr. Miracle uses his mother box to locate Elasti-girl and Parasite; Mr. Miracle increases the gravity around Elasti-girl to restrain her, and lets Faith know where Parasite is.

*Faith teleports close enough to Parasite but far enough away where he can’t touch her, and crushes him with all the TK force she can muster and lifts him high above the battle field and slamming him to the ground with tremendous force, since Telekinesis isn’t an energy that Parasite can absorb he should be defenseless against this attack. She slams him and crushes him until he is unconscious.

*If f Ray uses any long range light attacks or flashes Dr Light will absorb it to power himself whilst pursuing Ray. If Ray doesn’t attack initially and goes directly defensive, light pursues Ray under a veil of invisibility (Ray wears a suit that glows, he shouldn't be hard to see at night) while absorbing any constructs Ray builds (like possible shielding) or attacks. Light stays completely defensive until he (in both scenarios) reaches close enough to ray to K-O him by draining his “inner light”. Dr Light has drained Ray’s inner light before leaving him temporarily powerless. Once drained, Light will send a laser through his skull.

*Ion turns invisible (so Alice won’t know where Ion is attacking from) then goes all out on the inexperienced black Alice. Ion is at a high enough power level that any abilities Alice steals, he should still be able to put her paces. He will wrap her body in powerful chains (especially gagging her mouth, incase she copies Zatanna) and restrains her, while bombarding her with powerful constructs. He keeps this up until phase 2.

*Guardian cherry picks and helps where he can.

Phase 2
*Dr Light finds the completely distracted Grodd, and creates a giant pincer around his head squashing it.

*Faith locates Elastigirl and bolts her hard enough to knock her out.

*Ion continues his assault battle on Alice.

Phase 3
*My team Gang up on alive and take her down

Jessica Drew

05-17-2007, 05:14 PM

Reminder, folks: This match will last TWO days, so give yourself some time (if you have it), and read through these strategies closely, and allow the two opponents time to defend what they wrote.

That is all.

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 05:26 PM

Excellent, excellent strategy, Atom_basher. I think this may very well come down to who gets off which opening moves first, with the rest proceeding from that.

*CM3 races against time and blitzes across the field before anyone on the opposing team can perceive or completely react and slams into Raven hard enough to knock her out.

Again, I don't see Freddie moving at such "I can't even see him or move to defend myself" speeds. Not to mention hitting someone at that speed would leave Raven a bloody stain, which suggests he has to slow down at some point, long enough for her to teleport.

Parasite will probably be out on duty to drain the speed from CM3, but since that ability is a conscious ability (and not one that is automatic)

Incorrect. The first time Parasite did it, he had no idea he was doing it. Superboy hurled a car at him, and the thing stopped dead a couple feet away from Parasite and fell to the floor, while he was confused as to what happened. On the contrary, he would have to be controlling himself to NOT absorb Marvel's inertia. :)

*To amplify his telepathic powers, Buddy will also adapt the abilities of Mr. Mind. When Mr. Mind inhabited the body of Brainwave, he amplified his powers. Animal man will self amplify

That's clever, but a little iffy. But it's a moot point, as Grodd only has to defend himself momentarily before Animal Man is powerless by either one of two ways (Alice stealing his power or cutting off access to the Red)

*Telekinesis isn’t an energy that Parasite can absorb he should be defenseless against this attack.

Parasite has absorbed psychic energy, so it's not unheard of. If Faith is using "TK force" ala Jean Grey, he should be able to absorb it fine. But again, with Buddy powerless, Grodd is free to turn his full attention to Faith before Parasite attacks her.

Ion turns invisible (so Alice won’t know where Ion is attacking from) then goes all out on the inexperienced black Alice.

Ah, but she will have the wisdom of Solomon and all that good stuff. Not to mention the senses of the animal kingdom if necessary.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 08:20 PM

Excellent, excellent strategy, Atom_basher. I think this may very well come down to who gets off which opening moves first, with the rest proceeding from that.

Thank you, yours is good aswell,

Again, I don't see Freddie moving at such "I can't even see him or move to defend myself" speeds. Not to mention hitting someone at that speed would leave Raven a bloody stain, which suggests he has to slow down at some point, long enough for her to teleport.

I disagree completely, Freddie is the only one currently drawing on the power of shazam giving him the full power, with the full speed of the god mercury, he should be easily able to reach raven thinks where she wants to teleport, and can envelop her entire team, you guys didn't create a contingency for if ravens teleport doesn't succeed which I don't think she does

Incorrect. The first time Parasite did it, he had no idea he was doing it. Superboy hurled a car at him, and the thing stopped dead a couple feet away from Parasite and fell to the floor, while he was confused as to what happened. On the contrary, he would have to be controlling himself to NOT absorb Marvel's inertia. :)

that sounds like such an easy out, theres a difference between a car flying towards him taht he can see, and CM3 flying at him at sonic speeds

That's clever, but a little iffy. But it's a moot point, as Grodd only has to defend himself momentarily before Animal Man is powerless by either one of two ways (Alice stealing his power or cutting off access to the Red)

since when has his powers been magic based? he got his powers from an alien spaceship

Parasite has absorbed psychic energy, so it's not unheard of. If Faith is using "TK force" ala Jean Grey, he should be able to absorb it fine. But again, with Buddy powerless, Grodd is free to turn his full attention to Faith before Parasite attacks her.

Psychic energy is completely different than telekinesis

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 08:28 PM

you guys didn't create a contingency for if ravens teleport doesn't succeed which I don't think she does

True, but I think it holds up rather well regardless (mind you, I'm not agreeing Raven didn't complete the 'port, I'm just playing devil's advocate). Alice still steals the power she steals, Grodd still counters Faith, etc, etc.

since when has his powers been magic based? he got his powers from an alien spaceship

He may have received the powers from aliens, but the Red is a mystical energy field. The best example of this, I think, is the fact that the Red became all wonky during the Spectre's war against magic, which we learn from Buddy while he's chilling in a magic-user's bar.

Psychic energy is completely different than telekinesis

Electricity is completey different than psychic energy, and they're both completely different than life force and memory. He can absorb all those, so what reason could there be for him not being able to absorb telekinesis?

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 09:50 PM

He may have received the powers from aliens, but the Red is a mystical energy field. The best example of this, I think, is the fact that the Red became all wonky during the Spectre's war against magic, which we learn from Buddy while he's chilling in a magic-user's bar.

THE RED is mystic, buddy's ability to tap it is NOT, thats alien, which means Alice shouldnt be able to steal his ability to tap it. unless Alice could somehow disrupt the red, which she isn't powerful enough to do, and its not within her powers, she isnt cutting him off. which means grodd IS distracted which means faith DOES smash parasite.

that oversight also means Alice ONLY steals CM3's powers another oversight which means Ion should easily be able to take alice out

Electricity is completey different than psychic energy, and they're both completely different than life force and memory. He can absorb all those, so what reason could there be for him not being able to absorb telekinesis?

Telekinesis is NOT a force that can be absorbed. i think your overestimating parasites power level, telekinesis is just moving something remotely, theres no energy signature, theres no traces of anything to be absorbed.

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-17-2007, 10:13 PM

He may have received the powers from aliens, but the Red is a mystical energy field. The best example of this, I think, is the fact that the Red became all wonky during the Spectre's war against magic, which we learn from Buddy while he's chilling in a magic-user's bar.

THE RED is mystic, buddy's ability to tap it is NOT, thats alien. unless alice could somehow disrupt the red, which she isn't powerful enough to do, and its not within her powers, she isnt cutting him off. which means grodd IS distracted which means faith DOES smash parasite.

that oversight also means Alice ONLY steals CM3's powers another oversight which means Ion should easily be able to take alice out

Electricity is completey different than psychic energy, and they're both completely different than life force and memory. He can absorb all those, so what reason could there be for him not being able to absorb telekinesis?

Telekinesis is NOT a force that can be absorbed. i think your overestimating parasites power level

He is that powerfull...look at the issue #6 of JLA...he steals the power of 6 people around him!

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 10:19 PM

THE RED is mystic, buddy's ability to tap it is NOT, thats alien, which means Alice shouldnt be able to steal his ability to tap it.

Don't know that I buy that splitting of hairs. He body becomes imbued with the power of a magical energy field. Alien science opened the door, but to say he's not a magically powered being now is stretching.

that oversight also means Alice ONLY steals CM3's powers

Check again. I wrote that if I just completely cannot convince the voters that she steals Buddy's power, then she steals Zatanna's, and blocks Buddy's access to The Red.

telekinesis is just moving something remotely, theres no energy signature, theres no traces of anything to be absorbed.

Telepathy is just messing with someone's mind, and he absorbed that. Because in comics, it's basically just another form of energy blast.

Then I don't understand this "crushing force" that Faith nails him with. You make it sound like if it were a comic panel, green energy would be coming out of her forehead like Jean Grey.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 10:21 PM

He is that powerfull...look at the issue #6 of JLA...he steals the power of 6 people around him!

When i say overestimating im not talking in terms of how much he can steal, im talking about WHAT he can steal. Parasite can absorb energy, like electric psychic so on. telekinesis ISN'T an energy energy, or something to be absorbed, its just something being moved without having to touch it, the PERFECT counter to parasite

Don't know that I buy that splitting of hairs. He is imbued with the power of a magical energy field. Alien science opened the door, but to say he's not a magically powered being now is stretching.

That not splitting hairs one iota, he originally tapped the morphogenic field which isnt one bit magic, THEN started to tap the red, im staying strong on WHAT he now taps is magical, but his inherent ability to do so is not. the example you gave, the only reason Buddy's powers were wonky was because the source draws from wonky, NOT his ability to tap it.

Check again. I wrote that if I just completely cannot convince the voters that she steals Buddy's power, then she steals Zatanna's, and blocks Buddy's access to The Red.

Its completely funny you should say that because i supplied a perfect counter to that. alices mouth is wrapped in the most powerful chains Ion can muster, she cant talk she cant cut off buddy's powers. infact giving that little zatanna contingency (which i countered oh so perfectly) means you arent even confident that Alice could steal his ability to tap it in the first place

Telepathy is just messing with someone's mind, and he absorbed that. Because in comics, it's basically just another form of energy blast.

Yeah im not arguing that he cant absorb telepathy, its psi energy, but TELEKINESIS is a whole different animal

Then I don't understand this "crushing force" that Faith nails him with. You make it sound like if it were a comic panel, green energy would be coming out of her forehead like Jean Grey.

its a comic book, how else are they going to show that telekinesis is being used, it sems like you are splitting hairs here

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 10:34 PM

heres some visual aid (straight from dcs website) that shows buddy's original way of tapping his power isnt magic based which means alive cant steal it.

http://imageigloo.com/images/9561animal_man_01.jpg
http://imageigloo.com/images/9961animal_man_02.jpg

Brian R

05-17-2007, 10:37 PM

I am not an expert on Parasite, but I have to admit that absorbing TK seems a little out there. Has he ever faced a Telekinetic before?

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 10:38 PM

That not splitting hairs one iota, he originally tapped the morphogenic field which isnt one bit magic, THEN started to tap the red, im staying strong on WHAT he now taps is magical, but his inherent ability to do so is not. the example you gave, the only reason Buddy's powers were wonky was because the source draws from wonky, NOT his ability to tap it.

Wait, so let me get this straight...so the aliens gave him the power to tap into the non-magical morphogenic field, and he later developed the ability to tap into the magical Red?

So his access to the Red was NOT given to him by aliens? Which is it?

Its completely funny you should say that because i supplied a perfect counter to that. alices mouth is wrapped in the most powerful chains Ion can muster, she cant talk she cant cut off buddy's powers.

1. She can recite a spell before Ion can chain her.

2. She can break chains with Mavel's strength. He's got the full Shazam taste, after all.

infact giving that little zatanna contingency (which i countered oh so perfectly) means you arent even confident that Alice could steal his ability to tap it in the first place

Please. Everyone has given contingency plans in their strats in case something doesn't work. My confidence has nothing to do with whether or not the voters agree with me or you.

Yeah im not arguing that he cant absorb telepathy, its psi energy, but TELEKINESIS is a whole different animal

Your stance is that telekinesis is not an energy source like electricity. I'm just saying neither is telepathy.

Then I don't understand this "crushing force" that Faith nails him with. You make it sound like if it were a comic panel, green energy would be coming out of her forehead like Jean Grey.

its a comic book, how else are they going to show that telekinesis is being used, it sems like you are splitting hairs here[/QUOTE]

You're trying to define the differences between two super powers that don't actually exist in nature or have any scientific basis, and I'm splitting hairs? ;)

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 10:40 PM

I am not an expert on Parasite, but I have to admit that absorbing TK seems a little out there. Has he ever faced a Telekinetic before?

I'll look into it. We have a couple days, after all.

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 10:42 PM

heres some visual aid (straight from dcs website) that shows buddy's original way of tapping his power isnt magic based which means alive cant steal it.

It shows him tapping the morphogenic field, not the Red. Which you yourself stated he figured out how to tap into later, without the aliens.

Is the Red not canon anymore or something?

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 10:45 PM

Wait, so let me get this straight...so the aliens gave him the power to tap into the non-magical morphogenic field, and he later developed the ability to tap into the magical Red?

So his access to the Red was NOT given to him by aliens? Which is it?

Oh using the old confusion tactic, thats not going to work, i used visual aid to show origins, characters evolve all the time, but that DOES NOT, mean that his tapping ability is all of a sudden magic.

1. She can recite a spell before Ion can chain her.

2. She can break chains with Mavel's strength. He's got the full Shazam taste, after all.

SO you're telling me she can turnt o zatanna and recite a spell before Ion is all over her? and lets not make any mistakes, Ion is at a higher power level than captain marvel. I don't think anyone will argue that. Ion has blocked an attack that would destroy planets, and even contained a blast meant to wipe out the universe (both of which i have visual aid for if u want) shes not breaking the chain that easily.

Please. Everyone has given contingency plans in their strats in case something doesn't work. My confidence has nothing to do with whether or not the voters agree with me or you.

mmmmhmmm :p

as far as parasite absorbing telekinesis, I'm not the only one who believes thats fairly outlandish

It shows him tapping the morphogenic field, not the Red. Which you yourself stated he figured out how to tap into later, without the aliens.

Is the Red not canon anymore or something?

SEAN

I'm not sure if its cannon or not, all I'm saying is that Buddy's original way to tap his abilities is not magic. even if the source may or may not be

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 10:51 PM

characters evolve all the time, but that DOES NOT, mean that his tapping ability is all of a sudden magic.

Sure, characters evolve. Like Scarlet Witch going from using purely mutant power to using magic. Like that. ;)

SO you're telling me she can turnt o zatanna and recite a spell before Ion is all over her?

Sure, why not? With Marvel speed she can't dodge an attack long enough to say a couple words? Especially considering she's coming out of a building from a direction Ion isn't expecting her?

and lets not make any mistakes, Ion is at a higher power level than captain marvel. I don't think anyone will argue that. Ion has blocked an attack that would destroy planets, and even contained a blast meant to wipe out the universe (both of which i have visual aid for if u want) shes not breaking the chain that easily.

No question on Ion's strength, but this is not math class. "Ion blocks a planet-buster" does not necessarily equal "Marvel can't do squat to him" 100% of the time.

as far as parasite absorbing telekinesis, I'm not the only one who believes thats fairly outlandish

I'll see what I can do to prove it to the voters. I wasn't expecting to convince YOU. :p And let's not forget how moot this point is anyway, with Gorilla Grodd mind-blasting Faith during all this.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 11:03 PM

going from using purely mutant power to using magic. Like that. ;)

I see what you did :p. but thats not a suitable argument to prove that Buddy's abilityt to tap is magical, because his origin (and even his revist with the aliens in 52) confirm the source of his power is scientific

Sure, why not? With Marvel speed she can't dodge an attack long enough to say a couple words? Especially considering she's coming out of a building from a direction Ion isn't expecting her?

Alice has to consciously think of what she wants to steal, (im not convinced she could even consciously think that she wants Zatanna's ability and steal it) and then think of the spell she wants to say then say it, before ion has her wrapped up, remember, in your strategy you have Raven teleporting away, but I stopped the teleportation leaving alice out in the open, ripe for the chaining.

No question on Ion's strength, but this is not math class. "Ion blocks a planet-buster" does not necessarily equal "Marvel can't do squat to him" 100% of the time.

I love that you used quotations on that when i never EVER said marvel cant do squat to him, i merely said with Ions mass power Marvel isnt going to be breaking the chain easily, which ALice couldnt. you aalmost tried to make Ion seem like a novice by assuming the chains would be broken so easily. Mind you, every feat i mentioned was PRE ion. and Kyl is MUCH more powerful than he was back then.

I'll see what I can do to prove it to the voters. I wasn't expecting to convince YOU. :p And let's not forget how moot this point is anyway, with Gorilla Grodd mind-blasting Faith during all this.

Not with animal man mind occupying all his attention (see i can do it too)

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 11:11 PM

I see what you did :p. but thats not a suitable argument to prove that Buddy's abilityt to tap is magical, because his origin (and even his revist with the aliens in 52) confirm the source of his power is scientific

It's not inescapable proof, nor was it meant to be. But it is evidence that things change.

(im not convinced she could even consciously think that she wants Zatanna's ability and steal it)

Well, let me convince you. She's already stolen Zatanna's powers once. Took about a second. She's stolen powers from specific people before, such as Raven, to heal someone. And frankly, having read all of Black Alice's appearances, I can find no evidence that she can't take whoever's powers she wants at any given time.

and then think of the spell she wants to say then say it, before ion has her wrapped up,

Because she's obviously made of stone and can't dodge. :)

remember, in your strategy you have Raven teleporting away, but I stopped the teleportation leaving alice out in the open, ripe for the chaining.

I remember that's your argument, yes. Mine is that the teleportation still happens.

I love that you used quotations on that when i never EVER said marvel cant do squat to him,

Don't get testy, I'm just being facetious.

Not with animal man mind occupying all his attention (see i can do it too)

Now you're gettin' it. (Of course, Animal Man is powerless by then) :p

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-17-2007, 11:29 PM

*Faith teleports close enough to Parasite but far enough away where he can’t touch her, and crushes him with all the TK force she can muster and lifts him high above the battle field and slamming him to the ground with tremendous force, since Telekinesis isn’t an energy that Parasite can absorb he should be defenseless against this attack. She slams him and crushes him until he is unconscious.

Okay, there are two reasons why this won't work...one is that Parasite can absorb TK, and second is that even if he is slammed on the ground he can absorb the energy of his fall, making him not even get hurt :p

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 11:31 PM

Okay, there are two reasons why this won't work...one is that Parasite can absorb TK, and second is that even if he is slammed on the ground he can absorb the energy of his fall, making him not even get hurt :p

I have no idea if that's true. I'll look into it.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 11:32 PM

It's not inescapable proof, nor was it meant to be. But it is evidence that things change.

Things do change, i agree, but show me PROOF that buddy's ability to tap animal abilities is magical. like u said during spectre's battle the red went wonky because THE RED, is mystical, but as ive proven, Buddy ability to tap it, ISNT, its scientific, its always been. just because he can now tap a new source doesnt mean how he does it has been changed, in fact, we see the aliens who gave buddy his morphogenic grafts rcently in 52 which shows that hasnt changed.

Well, let me convince you. She's already stolen Zatanna's powers once. Took about a second. She's stolen powers from specific people before, such as Raven, to heal someone. And frankly, having read all of Black Alice's appearances, I can find no evidence that she can't take whoever's powers she wants at any given time.

thats fine and dandy, but all these events Thinking whose abilities she wants to steal, then stealing them, then thinking what spell she wants to use, then using it. wont all happen before Ion has her chained up.

Because she's obviously made of stone and can't dodge. :)

yeah, its not like Kyle rayner has never fought anyone with super speed before. oh wait....

I remember that's your argument, yes. Mine is that the teleportation still happens.

we have to agree to disagree

Don't get testy, I'm just being facetious.

I'm not being testy, im being examy (get it, test...exam...oh forget it :D )

Now you're gettin' it. (Of course, Animal Man is powerless by then) :p

ive proven his ability to tap his abilities isnt magic, and you haven't disproved it. so hes very much powered

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 11:40 PM

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-17-2007, 11:46 PM

http://imageigloo.com/images/5211evidence%201.jpg

You see how one of the aliens who gave him his powers said they upgraded him, which means they are improving upon what they initially did, hmmm interesting, they dont seem magical. would you look at that

But how do you explain his powers any other way...the only other animal power stealer uses a magical totem amulet... so ya.

He's not like Beast boy...or anything like that...it's all MaaaGiiiCkkk

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 11:46 PM

just because he can now tap a new source doesnt mean how he does it has been changed, in fact, we see the aliens who gave buddy his morphogenic grafts rcently in 52 which shows that hasnt changed.

I don't see how the aliens reappearing proves one thing or the other. They did something to Buddy, he tapped into the morph field, eventually became able to tap the Red (when someone taps a magical energy source we usually call them magicians), and then the aliens came back and did more stuff to him.

I don't have a panel to whip out where Buddy says "I am magic guy", but I think it's an argument well worth considering.

yeah, its not like Kyle rayner has never fought anyone with super speed before. oh wait....

Yeah, and he always catches them right away, doesn't he?

thats fine and dandy, but all these events Thinking whose abilities she wants to steal, then stealing them, then thinking what spell she wants to use, then using it. wont all happen before Ion has her chained up.

I maintain it will. But, like you say below:

we have to agree to disagree

Yes, that's pretty much what we both should have expected. :)

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-17-2007, 11:48 PM

You see how one of the aliens who gave him his powers said they upgraded him, which means they are improving upon what they initially did, hmmm interesting, they dont seem magical. would you look at that

I marvel at your superior reading comprehension that you can state to a certainty that Buddy (or the aliens for that matter) have nothing to do with magic.

Is it in the first panel? Noooope...can't see it. 2-4 are silent. Is it when the alien says "Here he comes"? Is that the proof that disproves Santa Claus?

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-17-2007, 11:55 PM

But how do you explain his powers any other way...the only other animal power stealer uses a magical totem amulet... so ya.

He's not like Beast boy...or anything like that...it's all MaaaGiiiCkkk

Uh vixen uses her totem for FOCUS, not to use her abilities.

I don't see how the aliens reappearing proves one thing or the other. They did something to Buddy, he tapped into the morph field, eventually became able to tap the Red (when someone taps a magical energy source we usually call them magicians), and then the aliens came back and did more stuff to him.

I marvel at your superior reading comprehension that you can state to a certainty that Buddy (or the aliens for that matter) have nothing to do with magic.

Is it in the first panel? Noooope...can't see it. 2-4 are silent. Is it when the alien says "Here he comes"? Is that the proof that disproves Santa Claus?

SEAN

thank you I ARE SMARTTTT, i think the pages i provided from DC's website shows they didn't use magic to give buddy his abilities, and i think you are grasping at straws to prove otherwise

no, he uses scientific grafts to tap his powers. its not magical. youre just trying to simplify it

I don't have a panel to whip out where Buddy says "I am magic guy", but I think it's an argument well worth considering.

And i disagree, you are making it cut and dry, I have visual proof that the source of his ability isnt magical, you have the burden of proving it is, which you simply cant.

Yeah, and he always catches them right away, doesn't he?
you have 3 preparations before you even ATTEMPT an attack, with the teleporter gone that falls apart, and you're team sits there attempting to prepare, you never say anything about evasion tactics or anything. shes out in the open.

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:01 AM

i think the pages i provided from DC's website shows they didn't use magic to give buddy his abilities

I don't. But that has nothing to do with what I was saying, which is that Buddy learned to tap the Red by himself, after the aliens gave him the ability to tap the morpho field.

with the teleporter gone that falls apart

Lucky for me the teleporter's still active, then. :)

you never say anything about evasion tactics or anything.

No, you're right, I can't deny it. Because I didn't write that Alice dodges the big green boxing glove flying at her, that means she has to stand there and take it. (And again, I'm not quoting you on the "boxing glove" thing ;) )

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 12:06 AM

I don't. But that has nothing to do with what I was saying, which is that Buddy learned to tap the Red by himself, after the aliens gave him the ability to tap the morpho field.

So buddy, after years of using scientific means, to draw his powers suddenly goes "u know what I'm gonna teach myself a magical trick to do the same things I've been doing for years. thats not logical at all, the source he tapped merely changed, not how he taps it.

Lucky for me the teleporter's still active, then. :)

wow, thats so easy to say, but you took NO precautions to defend anyone, Raven is not as quick on the draw as CM3 not one bit, he can blitz her before she goes through with it.

No, you're right, I can't deny it. Because I didn't write that Alice dodges the big green boxing glove flying at her, that means she has to stand there and take it. (And again, I'm not quoting you on the "boxing glove" thing ;) )

thanks for the confirmation. Ion has dealt with super speed beings. but now, by same odd stretch, hes gonna flub up and miss an attack? yeah not likely

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:10 AM

So buddy, after years of using scientific means, to draw his powers suddenly goes "u know what I'm gonna teach myself a magical trick to do the same things I've been doing for years.

Hey, I didn't write it. Blame Vertigo. Otherwise known as Magics R Us. :D

Raven is not as quick on the draw as CM3 not one bit, he can blitz her before she goes through with it.

I maintain her soul self (her means of teleporation) is pretty dang quick on the draw, yes.

Ion has dealt with super speed beings. but now, by same odd stretch, hes gonna flub up and miss an attack? yeah not likely

No, that never ever happens.

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:11 AM

Wow, three pages went by quick. What are the chances everyone reads all this? :p

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 12:20 AM

Hey, I didn't write it. Blame Vertigo. Otherwise known as Magics R Us. :D

if we go by latest showings, hes back from vertigo and very much dc, where we recently see his powers are based on alien tech

I maintain her soul self (her means of teleporation) is pretty dang quick on the draw, yes.

i maintain by the time she even thinks where she wants to teleport or even change to her soul self, she's bltized. her means of teleporting may be fast, but her thought process by all indication, shows she thinks at teh speed of a normal human. not fast enough to teleport before a certified speed blitzer does his thing

SEAN[/QUOTE]

Wow, three pages went by quick. What are the chances everyone reads all this? :p

SEAN

holy crap, you're right, pages fly when your having fun I suppose.

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:31 AM

if we go by latest showings, hes back from vertigo and very much dc, where we recently see his powers are based on alien tech

We see alien tech upgrading him, which doesn't preclude magic being involved.

holy crap, you're right, pages fly when your having fun I suppose.

All this work and no one's voted since, like, 5. It's shameful.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 12:33 AM

We see alien tech upgrading him, which doesn't preclude magic being involved.

but we also know they are the ones who gave him his powers.

All this work and no one's voted since, like, 5. It's shameful.

I know!! people were like strippers, were working it hard for your money..err votes

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:38 AM

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 12:41 AM

Hell with this, no one's paying attention anyway...

You never accounted for Elasti-Girl using her flame-breathing powers to turn Guardian's shield into a popsicle. He was the lynchpin of your strategy, and with him dead, you really should just give up.

SEAN

gravity has her forced down, shes not even gonna move. and doesnt she have to eat jalapanos for the power to work?:eek:

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 12:45 AM

what say YOU about kyle constructing a giant pair of breasts to distract the men on the opposing team?

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:54 AM

what say YOU about kyle constructing a giant pair of breasts to distract the men on the opposing team?

Well, Grodd is gay. All DCU gorillas are gay, I thought you knew that.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 01:12 AM

Well, Grodd is gay. All DCU gorillas are gay, I thought you knew that.

SEAN

oh yeah, THAT'S why they love bananas

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 01:17 AM

Well, Grodd is gay. All DCU gorillas are gay, I thought you knew that.

SEAN

oh yeah, THAT'S why they love bananas

Fooh01

05-18-2007, 05:05 AM

I read through the arguments, and looked at the visuals atom supplied, all those convinced me that atom takes the win here.

venuscameback

05-18-2007, 05:47 AM

Wow, three pages went by quick. What are the chances everyone reads all this? :p

SEAN

I read it all & my conclusions are thus:

Sean & S_G haven't proved that Animal Man's powers are magical in nature. On balance, this leaves me thinking that they're not.

I've no idea whether Parasite can absorb TK or not but he could absorb the kinetic energy being used on him via TK, right?

Can Raven teleport before CM3 hits her? Sure. CM3's racing about in bad light looking for one specific target amongst a small crowd. She's got time to 'port.

Black Alice ... first she copies CM3's powers, then she tries to copy Animal Man's powers, and fails. She then copies Zatanna's powers. I'm allowing a few seconds for all of this to happen, especially for her to understand that she's not absorbed Buddy's powers. She might well make a second and third attempt to absorb them, but understanding that they're not magical powers. Or she might relaise right away what's happened and then thin 'hmm, Zatanna' and absorb her power set. Either way, I think this takes a few seconds.

Not sure what all of the above means for the outcome of the fight! I'll come back to this and try and work it through and then vote

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 05:53 AM

Can Raven teleport before CM3 hits her? Sure. CM3's racing about in bad light looking for one specific target amongst a small crowd. She's got time to 'port.

Doesn't the ray wear a suit that glows, that would be a great place to head to. not only that the wisdom of solomon would greatly aid CM3 on where to go

I've no idea whether Parasite can absorb TK or not but he could absorb the kinetic energy being used on him via TK, right?

Im not so sure he can avoid being crushed though. Faith can levitate sky scrapers, i think she can crush him hard enough to take him out.

Froggy

05-18-2007, 07:16 AM

what say YOU about kyle constructing a giant pair of breasts to distract the men on the opposing team? That'd work buuuuuuuuut

Well, Grodd is gay. All DCU gorillas are gay, I thought you knew that.

SEAN I knew there was a reason he pikced the gorilla

I read through the arguments, and looked at the visuals atom supplied, all those convinced me that atom takes the win here.
Yea, the visuals worked for me, that and I forgot a sun eater is an actual creature
Doesn't the ray wear a suit that glows, that would be a great place to head to. not only that the wisdom of solomon would greatly aid CM3 on where to go

I've no idea whether Parasite can absorb TK or not but he could absorb the kinetic energy being used on him via TK, right?

He's never been SHOWN to do that

Im not so sure he can avoid being crushed though. Faith can levitate sky scrapers, i think she can crush him hard enough to take him out. I think Atom Basher wins. that and it was a good match too though. Never figured grodd to be gay......but that explains his infatuation with tying a flash up

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-18-2007, 08:43 AM

I read it all & my conclusions are thus:

Sean & S_G haven't proved that Animal Man's powers are magical in nature. On balance, this leaves me thinking that they're not.

I've no idea whether Parasite can absorb TK or not but he could absorb the kinetic energy being used on him via TK, right?

Can Raven teleport before CM3 hits her? Sure. CM3's racing about in bad light looking for one specific target amongst a small crowd. She's got time to 'port.

Black Alice ... first she copies CM3's powers, then she tries to copy Animal Man's powers, and fails. She then copies Zatanna's powers. I'm allowing a few seconds for all of this to happen, especially for her to understand that she's not absorbed Buddy's powers. She might well make a second and third attempt to absorb them, but understanding that they're not magical powers. Or she might relaise right away what's happened and then thin 'hmm, Zatanna' and absorb her power set. Either way, I think this takes a few seconds.

Not sure what all of the above means for the outcome of the fight! I'll come back to this and try and work it through and then vote

Ya, but we have in our strat saying that if the first absorbtion of Animal Man's power fails then she would absorb the power of Zatana... I don't think she would try to do this two or three times before going for Zatana... I think she is well aware of her power :p

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-18-2007, 08:45 AM

also, A_B can you please cast your vote... Because I don't like adding one point each time I look at the number of votes you got :D

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 11:57 AM

Doesn't the ray wear a suit that glows, that would be a great place to head to.

Only when he's in light mode, which he's not at the start of the match. Otherwise it's an all-black suit with yellow trim and a yellow helmet.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/whitmore_sean/Freedomfightersdcu0.jpg

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 12:11 PM

Different day, different numbers, still a tie. :)

(I realize Nakomah's vote doesn't count, I'm just taking AB's as writ)

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 01:35 PM

Arrrgh!!!

devinost, you couldn't have waited till you had one more post before voting?!

Well, I appreciate the moral support, anyway.

:D

SEAN

venuscameback

05-18-2007, 02:28 PM

Doesn't the ray wear a suit that glows, that would be a great place to head to. not only that the wisdom of solomon would greatly aid CM3 on where to go

CM3 can easily find his way to the general area, but it will take him a moment to pick out Raven amongst the shadows & this small crowd. That extra moment's all she needs to teleport away

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-18-2007, 03:40 PM

Arrrgh!!!

devinost, you couldn't have waited till you had one more post before voting?!

Well, I appreciate the moral support, anyway.

:D

SEAN

It's fine, I think as long as they have 50 posts before the poll closes it's okay :D

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 05:12 PM

CM3 can easily find his way to the general area, but it will take him a moment to pick out Raven amongst the shadows & this small crowd. That extra moment's all she needs to teleport away

I'm not sure i agree, the wisdom of solomon provides quasi ESP I think he would know where exactly to go.

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 06:16 PM

I'm not sure i agree, the wisdom of solomon provides quasi ESP I think he would know where exactly to go.

"Quasi" being the operative word here. ;)

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-18-2007, 06:24 PM

"Quasi" being the operative word here. ;)

SEAN

Quasi is good enough id say. wisdom of solomon also affords clairvoyance

Sean Whitmore

05-18-2007, 08:15 PM

Quasi is good enough id say. wisdom of solomon also affords clairvoyance

They should really rename it "the random, vague wisdom of Solomon." :)

But hey, maybe it'll come in handy during Alice's battle with Ion.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 12:29 AM

They should really rename it "the random, vague wisdom of Solomon." :)

But hey, maybe it'll come in handy during Alice's battle with Ion.

SEAN

Im sure it would, thats why i dont specify that Ion takes her out solo, her merely holds her of and restrains her until the rest of my team helps and they all finish her off. i was very careful with ALice and how i handled her.

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 12:32 AM

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 12:35 AM

Im sure it would, thats why i dont specify that Ion takes her out solo, her merely holds her of and restrains her until the rest of my team helps and they all finish her off. i was very careful with ALice and how i handled her.

Just as I was very careful with Ion, having Black Alice hold him off until Ray and Parasite (with Doc Light's powers) arrive to help finish him off.

Let's just be honest and tell the world. We're both awesome. This thing should have been called "Sean (and sidekick) vs Atom-Basher League" from the start. :D

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 12:36 AM

But that won't happen because my team is beating the crap out of your team at the time :p

oh yeah that slipped my mind..... I mean besides Raven being slammed, Grodd being distracted, ELastigirl being restrained by gravity, Parasite being crushed, and The Ray being powerless your team is totally kicking my team's ass ....

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 12:49 AM

Just as I was very careful with Ion, having Black Alice hold him off until Ray and Parasite (with Doc Light's powers) arrive to help finish him off.

Let's just be honest and tell the world. We're both awesome. This thing should have been called "Sean (and sidekick) vs Atom-Basher League" from the start. :D

SEAN

Hey!

:( :( :(

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 12:50 AM

Hey!

:( :( :(

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO HE DIDNT, i wouldn't let him get away with that, bite his nipples off and spit them at him

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 12:54 AM

Hey!

:( :( :(

Ain't nothing wrong with being a sidekick. Look at all the women Tim Drake gets.

Of course, it's Batman who gets the Wonder Women.

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 12:56 AM

I'm voting for A_B who's name abreviated sound like alphabet soup...and who has half of the team eliminated in the first five seconds of the match!

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 01:12 AM

I think the bulk of the strategies work out for Sean & S_G, but - and this is a big but - I'm not convinced in their handling of Black Alice. With Ion being invisible and his first act on engaging Black Alice being to bind her so she can't speak out any spells, she's going to find it difficult - even with the power of CM3 inside her

and because Black Alice spends so much time absorbing magical powers - CM3, then failing to get Animal Man's powers, then Zatanna's, Ion has a couple of seconds with which to locate her after the teleport and be ready to restrain her. She probably has time to remove Animal Man's powers via her Zatanna-stolen magical ability before he does this.

Animal Man takes on Grodd for a few seconds at the start of the match & then loses his power; is this long enough for Dr. Light to find and beat Grodd?

Faith vs. Parasite - I've come down on the side of Faith because even if Parasite absorbs all the kinetic energies so that he's not physically hurt, he's still pinned under debris and effectively out the match

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 01:23 AM

thanks for the opinions Venus, but I'm not entirely sure the teleport goes off. The wisdom of solomon would let CM3 know exactly where to go because it gives esp and clairvoyance. hell even Sean acknowledged it. when he said if Ion goes invisible. Alice would use The wisdom of solomon to find him.

Quote:
Ion turns invisible (so Alice won’t know where Ion is attacking from) then goes all out on the inexperienced black Alice.
Ah, but she will have the wisdom of Solomon and all that good stuff. Not to mention the senses of the animal kingdom if necessary.

this is cut and paste from something sean said himself.

CM3 would know exactly where to find raven to take her out.

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:27 AM

Faith vs. Parasite - I've come down on the side of Faith because even if Parasite absorbs all the kinetic energies so that he's not physically hurt, he's still pinned under debris and effectively out the match

Ahhh, but Faith isn't just fighting Parasite, it's Parasite with Doctor Light's powers. While she's defending herself from Grodd, as you say you agree Buddy loses his powers one way or another.

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 01:28 AM

Ahhh, but Faith isn't just fighting Parasite, it's Parasite with Doctor Light's powers. While she's defending herself from Grodd, as you say you agree Buddy loses his powers one way or another.

SEAN

The question is, does the power transaction happen before faith teleports nears him. you make it seem as if. he can touch ray for ONE SECOND and have all his power. thats very unlikely.

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:30 AM

this is cut and paste from something sean said himself.

CM3 would know exactly where to find raven to take her out.

Wisdom of Solomon has never been that precise. There's a wide gorge between sensing an uber-powerful invisible guy who's throwing green energy construsts at you and picking out a teleporter who could be anywhere withih 100 feet of city blocks.

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 01:31 AM

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:33 AM

The question is, does the power transaction happen before faith teleports nears him. you make it seem as if. he can touch ray for ONE SECOND and have all his power. thats very unlikely.

First, I never said it was all Ray's power. It doesn't need to be for what I have him do (simply make himself a helmet and fly at Light) So, yeah, a second would do it.

Second, I think it'd be more than a second anyway for Faith to switch gears from attacking to locating, then finding them, then teleporting over. Especially since she'd have to cut through Buddy and Grodd's psychic interference. A few seconds, even, but that'll do.

And hell, by the time she actually teleports over, Alice will have cut off Buddy's power one way or the other anyway. And then she's got Grodd to deal with.

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 01:33 AM

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:35 AM

It's been shown in JLA #6 that it took him about that much time to gain power of the six super heroes that were around him.

I've got this, SG, thanks.

(He tries so hard. :D)

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 01:35 AM

Wisdom of Solomon has never been that precise. There's a wide gorge between sensing an uber-powerful invisible guy who's throwing green energy construsts at you and picking out a teleporter who could be anywhere withih 100 feet of city blocks.

SEAN

wow, i love how do that, how you downplay invisibility, but make it seem like a visible and comparably SUPER SLOW target is impossible to locate with the wisdom of solomon, im sure he would be able to sense a powerful source of magic easily (Raven)

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:38 AM

wow, i love how do that, how you downplay invisibility, but make it seem like a visible and comparably SUPER SLOW target is impossible to locate with the wisdom of solomon, im sure he would be able to sense a powerful source of magic easily (Raven)

Not downplaying, just the opposite. Invisible Ion is a huge threat, so it seems more like the kind of thing Solomon would get off his ass for and help Freddy out. The Wisdom is not a split-second GPS, y'know, nor does it have an on/off switch. ;)

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 01:40 AM

wow, i love how do that, how you downplay invisibility, but make it seem like a visible and comparably SUPER SLOW target is impossible to locate with the wisdom of solomon, im sure he would be able to sense a powerful source of magic easily (Raven)

Blah blah bla...all you say is Wisdom of solomon in every single argument come back...it's tooo vague, there hasn't been much proof of it at work...to all we know he can be just some smart dude who can recite pi in it's entirety and do ln(256) in his head.

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 01:40 AM

First, I never said it was all Ray's power. It doesn't need to be for what I have him do (simply make himself a helmet and fly at Light) So, yeah, a second would do it.

Second, I think it'd be more than a second anyway for Faith to switch gears from attacking to locating, then finding them, then teleporting over. Especially since she'd have to cut through Buddy and Grodd's psychic interference. A few seconds, even, but that'll do.

And hell, by the time she actually teleports over, Alice will have cut off Buddy's power one way or the other anyway. And then she's got Grodd to deal with.

SEAN

Blah blah bla...all you say is Wisdom of solomon in every single argument come back...it's tooo vague, there hasn't been much proof of it at work...to all we know he can be just some smart dude who can recite pi in it's entirety and do ln(256) in his head.

besides the whole wisdom aspect CM3 knows the general starting direction of the other team, and can roket straight to them AIDED by the wisdom, you act like i have him entirely dependant on that

Your making it seem like parasite can execute everything he does within seconds, thats comical.

secondly what on god's green earth are you talking about the VERY first thing Faith does is go for parasite.

Thirdly, Alice would be gagged before she realizes she cant take buddy's powers then attempts to get Zatanna.

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:44 AM

Your making it seem like parasite can execute everything he does within seconds, thats comical.

Can't argue with the comics. Parasite brushes up against Superman and is instantly strong enough to punch him. Don't hate the playa, hate game. :)

secondly what on god's green earth are you talking about the VERY first thing Faith does is go for parasite.

She's gonna have to find him. Which will take those seconds I was referring to.

Thirdly, Alice would be gagged before she realizes she cant take buddy's powers then attempts to get Zatanna.

Can't agree with you there. Way I see it she has her powers and has spoken the spell before she dodges Ion's attempt to gag her.

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 01:45 AM

besides the whole wisdom aspect CM3 knows the general starting direction of the other team, and can roket straight to them AIDED by the wisdom, you act like i have him entirely dependant on that

Your making it seem like parasite can execute everything he does within seconds, thats comical.

secondly what on god's green earth are you talking about the VERY first thing Faith does is go for parasite.

Thirdly, Alice would be gagged before she realizes she cant take buddy's powers then attempts to get Zatanna.

Come down maaan...kipasa! You are just saying stuff, you don't got much proof amigo... And parasite can execute everything he dose within second...he did have some practice with his powers..duuude...

Also, since the whole team is teleported in CM3 dosen't know where the other team is off the bat, due to the problem of them being to his right, left, forward or backward direction...so you are wrong little maaan.

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 01:47 AM

Can't argue with the comics. Parasite brushes up against Superman and is instantly strong enough to punch him. Don't hate the playa, hate game. :)

But does he have Superman's full powerset?....i think not

She's gonna have to find him. Which will take those seconds I was referring to.

Mr miracle tells her where he is....

Can't agree with you there. Way I see it she has her powers and has spoken the spell before she dodges Ion's attempt to gag her.

again we have t agree to disagree.

Im off to bed guys dont do anything I wouldn't do :)

Come down maaan...kipasa! You are just saying stuff, you don't got much proof amigo... And parasite can execute everything he dose within second...he did have some practice with his powers..duuude...

whose mad? Uh throughout this match i think Ive provided TONS on proof. show ME proof that his power transactions takes seconds.

Also, since the whole team is teleported in CM3 dosen't know where the other team is off the bat, due to the problem of them being to his right, left, forward or backward direction...so you are wrong little maaan.[/QUOTE]

Also untrue both teams know the general starting place of the other team padre, this isnt my first time to the rodeo i know how these things go :p. NOW im off to bed

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 01:49 AM

Yey he is gone! Let's hack into the main frame and change all the votes!

Lol, jk

Well, I'm off to bed! G'night Sean.
G'night alphabet soop (that's A_B)!

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:57 AM

But does he have Superman's full powerset?....i think not

And you'd be correct. Nobody is saying anything about full powersets except you.

Mr miracle tells her where he is....

*checks* You're right. So it actually takes even longer than I thought. I was basing my time estimation on Faith doing a telepathic scan, but now we've got time for Miracle to talk to Mother Box, Mother Box to figure out the answer, Mother Box to tell Miracle the answer, and Miracle to tell Faith. :)

Im off to bed guys dont do anything I wouldn't do :)

I'm gonna give Grodd some gorilla porn. Don't you judge me.

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 01:58 AM

And to hell with both of you for getting to go to bed. I'm still at work for another 3 hours. :(

SEAN

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 02:12 AM

ALSO i had one last nagging question as i was brushing my teeth before going to bed

once black alive figures out she cant steal animals mans ability (and im betting she cant) is the red common knowledge FURTEHR MORE, does black alice know thats where buddy taps his power. im betting she doesn't. how the heck would she create a spell to block hos power source when she doest even know where he taps it from.

Also mother boxes locate people instantly. if u want me to provide a scan as proof ill be more than happy to

ok im sorry NOW bed. this time im cereal :)

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 02:17 AM

ALSO i had one last nagging question as i was brushing my teeth before going to bed

Argh! I was so close to actually getting some work done! :)

once black alive figures out she cant steal animals mans ability (and im betting she cant) is the red common knowledge FURTEHR MORE, does black alice know thats where buddy taps his power.

In this hypothetical where Alice taps Zatanna's power instead of Buddy's (as I still maintain she can tap Buddy), she's got Zatanna's magical knowledge. Otherwise she wouldn't know how to use any of her spells.

So the question is does Zatanna know about the Red, and barring some excellent reason why not, I say yes.

(Not to mention we don't know the extent of Alice's own magical knowhow. She has a Felix Faust poster and was able to recognize a magical camolflauge spell without stealing any power)

Also mother boxes locate people instantly. if u want me to provide a scan as proof ill be more than happy to

Probably a good idea, since I don't think "instantly" is the right word for it. That makes it sound like Mother Box knows where the are the very moment Miracle finishes asking the question. "Very fast" I'll grant you, but "instantly"?

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 02:27 AM

First, I never said it was all Ray's power. It doesn't need to be for what I have him do (simply make himself a helmet and fly at Light) So, yeah, a second would do it.

SEAN

Your strategy says it takes a few seconds

This match is on a knife-edge for me, it's so evenly matched. let's see what I have:

Raven makes the teleport fine, Black Alice absorbs CM3's power, and eventually stops Animal Man using his powers.

Faith defeats Parasite. Mr. Miracle restrains Elasti-Girl. Ion restrains Black Alice so she can't use any Zatanna speak, but chained up BA still has the CM3 powers. Raven defeats Mr. Miracle - this frees up Elasti-Girl

Grodd & Animal Man are in a stalemate until Buddy loses access to the red.

Parasite is defeated before he can attack Dr. Light, and Elasti-Girl can't attack Guardian until Mr. Miracle is defeated. So Guardian is free to "cherry pick and help where he can" and Dr. Light can look for Grodd. It doesn't take much figuring that he might just be in the same building that The Ray, Parasite and Black Alice just left. I'm not sure how Dr. Light vs. Grodd inside a building would end.

Faith is free to take out Elasti-Girl

So that leaves ...

Grodd vs. Dr. Light
Black Alice stalemated with Ion

Raven & The Ray (who doesn't seem to be doing anything & gave a lot of his power to Parasite) vs. Faith and Guardian

I don't see why Ion can't defeat Black Alice, and as the fight is in confined quarters rather than out in the open, Grodd may well take Dr. Light

...

Which leaves Ion, Faith and Guardian vs. Grodd, Raven and The Ray

...

I'm leaning towards A_B on that one but I'm not convinced. Grodd & Raven make for a powerful team-up against anyone

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 02:31 AM

The voting's confusing to follow given Sean & S_G have two votes to discount and A_B has one to discount. So the current score is 7-5 ... I'd spend much less time thinking about this if it wasn't the final and it wasn't so close

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 02:44 AM

The voting's confusing to follow given Sean & S_G have two votes to discount

I have what now? Score's 6-7.

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 02:52 AM

I really appreciate your in-depth analysis, Venus. But if I might question one of your conclusions:

Faith defeats Parasite.

The Ray (who doesn't seem to be doing anything & gave a lot of his power to Parasite)

-If Faith defeats Parasite, that means she finds him and attacks him quickly. If she does so, then saying Ray gave a lot of his power is inaccurate.

-If it takes Faith long enough to find Parasite that Ray does give up so much of his power, than there's no reason Parasite shouldn't be able to fly away and attack Light as I wrote (or at the very least, defeat Faith with Ray's light powers)

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:06 AM

I have what now? Score's 6-7.

SEAN

You're right, sorry, don't know why I keep thinking Nasgoth Phantom has under 50 votes like devinost

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:12 AM

I really appreciate your in-depth analysis, Venus. But if I might question one of your conclusions:

-If Faith defeats Parasite, that means she finds him and attacks him quickly. If she does so, then saying Ray gave a lot of his power is inaccurate.

-If it takes Faith long enough to find Parasite that Ray does give up so much of his power, than there's no reason Parasite shouldn't be able to fly away and attack Light as I wrote (or at the very least, defeat Faith with Ray's light powers)

SEAN

Good point, Sean (and thanks)

In the first instance, it doesn't matter too much how much power The Ray's given to Parasite because you don't seem to use him later on in the match; but it does matter when it comes to my final analysis of Ray/Raven/Grodd vs. Ion/Guardian/Faith

Parasite's inside the same building as Grodd during the power transfer, right? So Faith has to teleport inside the building if she locates Parasite quick enough. Hmm ...

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 03:17 AM

In the first instance, it doesn't matter too much how much power The Ray's given to Parasite because you don't seem to use him later on in the match; but it does matter when it comes to my final analysis of Ray/Raven/Grodd vs. Ion/Guardian/Faith

To be fair, I do state that Ray helps Alice against Ion as soon as he's recovered by absorbing the light of Ion's constructs. So if Parasite is indeed taken out before he leeches very much of Ray's power, Ray can help against Ion almost immediately.

Parasite's inside the same building as Grodd during the power transfer, right? So Faith has to teleport inside the building if she locates Parasite quick enough. Hmm ...

No, different buildings, which I'd almost forgotten till now. :o I wish I'd remembered earlier, because having my guys waiting in two different places should give me even a few more moments before Freddy or Mother Box pinpoints anyone.

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:28 AM

To be fair, I do state that Ray helps Alice against Ion as soon as he's recovered by absorbing the light of Ion's constructs. So if Parasite is indeed taken out before he leeches very much of Ray's power, Ray can help against Ion almost immediately.

Thanks. it's hard to keep all the details straight in my mind

No, different buildings, which I'd almost forgotten till now. :o I wish I'd remembered earlier, because having my guys waiting in two different places should give me even a few more moments before Freddy or Mother Box pinpoints anyone.

SEAN

Thanks for clarifying. So it's Grodd in one and everyone else in the other. Hmm.

Faith could end up in the wrong location, fighting Grodd. but as Grodd is engaged by Animal Man - I'm not sure he could withstand faith and Animal man at the same time.

Which leaves Parasite powered up and running free

Fooh01

05-19-2007, 03:31 AM

I know my opinion doesn't matter, because i already voted, but you say Raven teleports the group into the building closest to atom's team then grodd leaves that building, if he is teleported into the building closest to the team and then he leaves it. im sure the opposing team will easily see a giant gorilla running out of it

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 03:33 AM

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:34 AM

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:36 AM

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 03:37 AM

Thanks. it's hard to keep all the details straight in my mind

Oh, me too. I keep checking the first page again every time someone makes a point. :)

Faith could end up in the wrong location, fighting Grodd. but as Grodd is engaged by Animal Man - I'm not sure he could withstand faith and Animal man at the same time.

Hmm, good point. Grodd certainly couldn't beat the two of them at once, but could he stay conscious for juuuuuust long enough for Alice to disable Animal Man?

SEAN

Jessica Drew

05-19-2007, 03:45 AM

Neither devinost's nor Nakomah's vote counts. They cancel each other out, so I really don't know why I mentioned it at all!

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 03:51 AM

Neither devinost's nor Nakomah's vote counts. They cancel each other out, so I really don't know why I mentioned it at all!

His 49 posts mock me. I will see them when I dream and imagine what the 50th could have been.

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:57 AM

However ... while Faith and Grodd are fighting, Dr. Light's still looking for grodd. He finds him, and Parasite finds Dr. Light, and we have the titanic struggle now with Animal Man, Faith & Dr. Light vs. Parasite and Grodd

Any thoughts on the outcome, Sean?

as for Black Alice shutting off Buddy's powers before Faith & Animal Man beat Grodd ... gah! ... I don't know. It's certainly possible.

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 04:11 AM

Any thoughts on the outcome, Sean?

as for Black Alice shutting off Buddy's powers before Faith & Animal Man beat Grodd ... gah! ... I don't know. It's certainly possible.

Well, knowing as we do that Doctor Light loves sucking the power out of light-wielders, I think it's a dead cert that he will beeline straight for Glowy Parasite the moment he sees him. I think this holds true whether he is fooled into thinking Parasite is the Ray or not, but for the record, I see no reason he wouldn't believe it's Ray. So I think Parasite gets his hands on (or near, as per recent developments) Light and drains his life force.

That leaves Grodd holding off two telepaths just long enough for Alice to remove one of them. And one of those telepaths (Animal Man) being a newbie to the whole psychic warfare game. I'm biased, natch, but I say he can do it.

Which leaves us with Grodd and Parasite (with Doc Light's powers) versus Faith, and I see my guys taking that one.

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 04:30 AM

Well, knowing as we do that Doctor Light loves sucking the power out of light-wielders, I think it's a dead cert that he will beeline straight for Glowy Parasite the moment he sees him. I think this holds true whether he is fooled into thinking Parasite is the Ray or not, but for the record, I see no reason he wouldn't believe it's Ray. So I think Parasite gets his hands on (or near, as per recent developments) Light and drains his life force.

That leaves Grodd holding off two telepaths just long enough for Alice to remove one of them. And one of those telepaths (Animal Man) being a newbie to the whole psychic warfare game. I'm biased, natch, but I say he can do it.

Which leaves us with Grodd and Parasite (with Doc Light's powers) versus Faith, and I see my guys taking that one.

SEAN

(I agree there's every chance Dr. Light is fooled by Parasite's impression of The Ray, or is drawn to him anyway)

Putting me devil's advocate hat on ...

If Animal Man holds on to Grodd long enough for Faith to TK slam him about, or long enough for Faith to put enough of a hurt on Grodd that when Buddy loses his powers Faith can slam dunk Grodd, then Grodd falls.

Can Dr. Light travel real fast? If so, I think Dr. Light gets there first and Parasite follows him in. Parasite then beats Dr. Light but is then defeated when Faith brings the building down on top of them. Faith teleports to safety in the nick of time

...

Any thoughts on Dr. Light's speed, Sean?

I'm thinking that the middle ground is that Faith brings the house down but fails to teleport away in time as she's exhausted by fighting grodd. She takes down Parasite but unwittingly takes herself out at the same time.

(As there's plenty of time to go I will give A_B chance for comeback before voting)

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 04:41 AM

I'll put my devil's prosecutor hat on. :)

Can Dr. Light travel real fast? If so, I think Dr. Light gets there first and Parasite follows him in. Parasite then beats Dr. Light but is then defeated when Faith brings the building down on top of them. Faith teleports to safety in the nick of time

I don't know that I could say anything definitive about Light's speed. I can't recall him ever moving at super speed, but I can't say for a certainty that he couldn't figure out how.

What I am confident in saying is this: Ray moves very fast. Like "between countries in the span of a conversation" fast. If Parasite has even a fraction of his power (which we are taking as a given in this scenario), plus Light's on top of that, I see no reason why he can't fly out of the building before it falls. Even blasting away falling masonry as he does so.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that Ray (and by extension Parasite) is indestructible in pure light mode, making the chances of him being knocked out by a falling building very slim. When I get home in an hour, I'll throw up some scans to bolster my argument.

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 04:59 AM

What I am confident in saying is this: Ray moves very fast. Like "between countries in the span of a conversation" fast. If Parasite has even a fraction of his power (which we are taking as a given in this scenario), plus Light's on top of that, I see no reason why he can't fly out of the building before it falls. Even blasting away falling masonry as he does so.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that Ray (and by extension Parasite) is indestructible in pure light mode, making the chances of him being knocked out by a falling building very slim. When I get home in an hour, I'll throw up some scans to bolster my argument.

SEAN

So Parasite absorbed the bulk of Ray's power set? Speed, indestructibility, blasts and flight?

EDIT: I checked, earlier you said Parasite didn't take the full power set. but you did say Parasite shifts into Ray's 'pure light form' so I guess that's where at least speed and indestructibility come in

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 05:54 AM

So Parasite absorbed the bulk of Ray's power set? Speed, indestructibility, blasts and flight?

Well, keep in mind, Ray doesn't have a bunch of different super powers like Superman. His power is he's a being of light, and all of the above are just aspects of that. (Like with Flash, you wouldn't say he has separate powers of running fast, vibrating through stuff, and creating whirlwinds.)

So what Parasite absorbed is this ability to control light, on a much, much smaller scale. He probably couldn't create light constructs or shoot laser blasts (which I don't have him doing with Ray's power). Like you said, all I have him doing is flying and shifting into light mode, which is impervious to injury. As shown in Ray #8, Lobo puts his fist through Ray's head, leaving a big hole you could see clean through, and Ray responds by cracking a joke and blasting Lobo through the wall.

Parasite's certainly not as fast as Ray, who can travel from America to Germany (Ray #2, mini series) or Pakistan (Ray #5, regular series) in seconds. But hey, what's a quarter of that speed? Or even an eighth of that speed? Fast enough to dodge a falling building, I'd wager.

As you can probably deduce from the footnotes, my damn digital camera is on the fritz again.

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 09:08 AM

Well, keep in mind, Ray doesn't have a bunch of different super powers like Superman. His power is he's a being of light, and all of the above are just aspects of that. (Like with Flash, you wouldn't say he has separate powers of running fast, vibrating through stuff, and creating whirlwinds.)

So what Parasite absorbed is this ability to control light, on a much, much smaller scale. He probably couldn't create light constructs or shoot laser blasts (which I don't have him doing with Ray's power). Like you said, all I have him doing is flying and shifting into light mode, which is impervious to injury.

Thanks Sean

You said he fires blasts at masonry when trying to escape the collapsing building

does Parasite gain the knowledge of how to use the powers, so that he can put them to versatile use? does he use them as a novice would?

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 11:26 AM

You said he fires blasts at masonry when trying to escape the collapsing building

With Doctor Light's power, not Ray's. :)

does Parasite gain the knowledge of how to use the powers, so that he can put them to versatile use? does he use them as a novice would?

He absorbs his victim's memory along with their strength, but he'd still be very basic in the power's use. Nothing too fancy.

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 03:37 PM

So in the Dr. Light gets to Grodd first scenario, Sean & S_G come out ahead

However, if Parasite gets to Dr. Light before then, we have Parasite vs. Dr. Light and Faith (once she and Buddy have finished beating on Grodd), out in the open

I've minimal knowledge of Faith but I'm not sure how much help she'd be out in the open, although she might get a hit on Parasite if he's busy concentrating with Dr. Light

That would leave Ion & Guardian vs. Parasite (empowered by Ray & Dr. Light), Raven and a weak Ray

and I'm still clueless as to how that would play out. Before we started getting into it, Sean, I was leaning gently towards voting for A_B. Now I'm teetering on the edge of voting for you because Parasite is pretty dangerous of his own accord & now has the power of Ray and Dr. Light, and I'm not sure how much use Guardian would be in that fight.

but I'm not convinced Faith is accounted for - I'd like to hear from A_B on that

If it seems like i'm giving you a hard time, Sean - please bear in mind you're the only one hear to discuss it with. It's hard to give A_B a hard time when he's not around to debate with

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 04:24 PM

No problem at all, Venus, I much prefer more talk to less.

At this point we've taken the hypothetical so far I can't even remember what I originally wrote, so I'll await A_B as well. :)

SEAN

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 04:47 PM

I don't have much time left tonight & neither does the vote.

I'm still uncertain as to who would win, but I'm leaning towards Parasite & Raven (I'm discounting Ray because he's at reduced power) overpowering Ion, Guardian and possibly Faith

I like the idea that in terms of timing, Raven teleports & drops off grodd, Mr. Miracle's motherbox says 'aha, Parasite's there', Raven teleports off again, Mr. Miracle tells Faith where the motherbox says Parasite was & she heads off to find only grodd there. There's something perverse about it that appeals to me

It's possible that the motherbox would show Parasite has moved in time for Mr. Miracle to shout and tell Faith, but I don't see how that would help A_B - it leaves Grodd undefeated, and takes us back to the Parasite vs. Dr. Light/Faith match-up.

I don't know enough about the characters to feel confident in my vote, but best as I can figure it - and I think A_B has had plenty of time to rebut; it's unfortunate he's not online but Sean & S_G shouldn't be penalised for that & I've tried hard to consider this from all angles - Sean & S_G take it by a whisper

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 04:54 PM

Well, we are in a totall tie!

And it's almost time for the poll to close...oo crap...:eek:

Froggy

05-19-2007, 05:04 PM

Well, we are in a totall tie!

And it's almost time for the poll to close...oo crap...:eek:

statement echoed

whoever wins is awesomesauce though

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 05:06 PM

Well it's official...now it's Jessicas problems :p

venuscameback

05-19-2007, 05:06 PM

Is that it? The final ends in a tie???

:eek: :eek: :eek:

have fun sorting this one out, JD :p

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 05:07 PM

Ha! Thought you were done, did ya, Jess? :D

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 05:12 PM

Ha! Thought you were done, did ya, Jess? :D

SEAN

Pss...we probably shouldn't piss him off, before he is done judging our match ;)

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 07:02 PM

Ive been gone all day and i come back and its a tie, holy moly.....

matt_hatyber

05-19-2007, 07:35 PM

wat happens on a tie?

Citizen V

05-19-2007, 07:38 PM

Im sure this will be a do-over,since its the championship.

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 07:43 PM

wat happens on a tie?

Swimsuit competition.

Nah, the League organizer decides the victor in a tie. :)

SEAN

Jessica Drew

05-19-2007, 07:46 PM

Whooh! A tie!

Just got back to the computer for the first time since early this morning, where I left it on in hope of returning briefly, but got sidetracked, and had to go to class all day.

I'll try and make the decision tonight, but I'm not going to promise anything. These past few days have been extremely hectic, and I've had a total of nine hours of sleep over the past three days/nights. I'm exhausted. If I don't make my decision by tonight, you'll know why.

I'll have to go back and re-read the strategies, plus all the arguments. Hopefully--this time--I won't have to ask for those last-minute/extra-round strategies.

So, I'll go back and look and see what's what.

Oh...S_G: the answer is no (he'll know what I'm talking about).

Atom_basher

05-19-2007, 08:31 PM

man, my heart cant take all this excitement. i feel like a little old lady

Sean Whitmore

05-19-2007, 08:41 PM

No need to rush, JD. In fact, if you just wanna say you'll deliver the decision tomorrow, that'll save us from checking our e-mail the rest of the night. :)

SEAN

Sophisticated_Gamer

05-19-2007, 08:48 PM

Well this will be interesting lol :p

Jessica Drew

05-19-2007, 08:49 PM

Well, I'm still sorting through this one, but I think I'm having an easier time with this one than I did the last one; unless I have to rush inside to help with the kids, I should have a judgment rendered on this one within the next half-hour.

So stay tuned, true believers.

Wait...wrong league for that.

Jessica Drew

05-19-2007, 09:06 PM

Al-righty, then. Heregoes:

I think Raven teleports before CM3 arrives.
I think Animal Man could definitely turn the tide against Grodd, so I don't think Grodd bothers Faith--at first. If Animal Man ever showed up at the Oblivion Bar, and at least a partial source of his powers is the Red, then he's--at least somewhat--magic based, and therfore fair game for Black Alice. I don't think she saps all his powers, though, but merely weakens him.
Faith arrives to find Parasite gone, but Grodd still there. Grodd--with a weakened Animal Man still attacking--goes down.
Elasti-Girl is restrained.
And I can almost see the comic panels of Dr. Light sporting a shit-eating grin thinking he's about to absorb the Ray, when WHAM, it's Parasite! Parasite downs Dr. Light.
Raven could take Ion by herself. Black Alice just cements his defeat.
Guardian just stands there gawking.

So, after this initial round, thinks get wonky, but here's who I have still standing:

Mr. Miracle, Guardian, Faith, Animal Man (weakened)
Raven, Black Alice, Parasite w/Dr. Light's powers, Ray (weakened)

And from there, I'm calling this a win for: