did nelly ruin his mass appeal by making tip drill??

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

nelly almost appeared as if he was being groomed to be like the next will smith or something.basically a rapper who had mass appeal and wasn't like the other hardcore gritty rappers in the mainstream.basically a quasi-safe mainstream rapper who showed up during the superbowl half time show.but he makes the tip drill video and *GASP!* they say to themselves wow he's no different then all these other rappers out there.people find out the harsh reality is that nelly isn't quite so popcorn as they thought.so now theres this huge backlash and nelly has now been throw from his pedestal.now he seems to lost his mass appeal,which means he's gonna have to market solely to the urban market now (whom never really liked him to begin with) to sell records.


so what do you guys think of this..

[Royal]

I'm sorry.

Nelly had appeal?

[DWEarhart]

He did for a few years down here, but has apparently disappeard. Thinking about it after reading the thread title, I never hear his name or see his merchandise anywhere, and I work in a effin' high school. I think someone just gave him some bad business advice.

[blackdragon6]

well i'm kinda bias cause i never really liked him so i can't say i feel sorry for him.

HOWEVER

i do think the women of spellman collage was being short sighted when the protested about him coming there to talk about bone marrow donations.especially since blacks are in desperate need of bone marrow donners among other things.but thats a different can of worms all together.

[KenK]

well i'm kinda bias cause i never really liked him so i can't say i feel sorry for him.

HOWEVER

i do think the women of spellman collage was being short sighted when the protested about him coming there to talk about bone marrow donations.especially since blacks are in desperate need of bone marrow donners among other things.but thats a different can of worms all together.

Yeah, his sister actually died of cancer, I believe.

But as for what happened to him profesionally, maybe he's just taking a breather? The mainstream public's attention span is really short, and if you don't stay in the public eye constantly, people sware you've fallen off. Like blackdragon, though, I was just never enough of a fan to care what he did one way or another ("Hot in Herre" was when he peaked for me). The "Tip Drill" video controversy seems rather exagerrated to me when measured against all the other crap in mainstream rap videos. From a conceptual standpoint, I found the whole sliding the ATM through the buttchecks thing rather inventive! :D I wish I had thought of it!

All kidding aside, I thing it's just a cyclical thing. The mainstream rap music scene tends to get flooded very frequently, and sometimes an artist who got a big push in the past will have to fall back for newer acts to get a shot. Then they'll fall back and others will come in, and so and so forth. I think Nelly had a long enough reign over the mainstream that whenever he does come out with something new, fans will bite.

Furthermore, maybe mainstream urban music just can't sustain two "Nelly"s at the same time! Nelly Furtado's gonna have to cool down before Nelly the rapper can come back.:D

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

well i'm kinda bias cause i never really liked him so i can't say i feel sorry for him.

HOWEVER

i do think the women of spellman collage was being short sighted when the protested about him coming there to talk about bone marrow donations.especially since blacks are in desperate need of bone marrow donners among other things.but thats a different can of worms all together.agreed on both counts,i never really liked him either.but i do think the topic of bone marrow doners do take precedence over discussion about half naked women in rap video's.and this is coming from another women

Yeah, his sister actually died of cancer, I believe.

But as for what happened to him profesionally, maybe he's just taking a breather? i'm not talking about his current leave of absence but his possible return.his sales was already somewhat declining AFTER the tip drill controversy now i just think the resurgence of the controversy due to don imus has put the perverbial nail in his coffin.concidering the type of rapper he was perceived to be.

[Shellhead]

I'm sorry.

Nelly had appeal?

Not with me. The guy looked like he was wearing his whitey-tighty briefs on his head. I found that too distracting to ever take his music seriously.

[twilight]

Wasn't the last thing he released that Sweat/Suit double album?

I seem to recall hearing that sold really well but I could be wrong.

[Comic_Mobsta]

Yeah i think nelly shot himself in the foot with that tip drill video.He went from being female/mtv friendly,To being just another contraversial rapper in the eyes of the pure mainstreams media.Which is weird considering the type of rapper he is.But yeah i don't feel sorry for him either.

[HandofBlood]

contraversy sells, its free publicity, why pay for an advert when you can throw abit of nudity or violence into the mix and suddanly every news show and chat show is talking about nelly.

being british and not knowing anything about rap music. i could be wrong maybe its diffrent for amarican rap music, but in britan, babyshambles went from being a rather bland brit-rock band to being the words on everyones lips, once pete and kate moss's heroin habits got splashed all over the papers. it got pete (and the band) into every paper and news program for afew weeks and the music label dident have to payout a penny in advertising.

the phrase no publicity is bad publicity springs to mind.

[Punch]

Nelly never had the appeal of someone like Will Smith.
Nelly has mainstream music appeal, but he was never as clean cut as Will Smith.

[Comic_Mobsta]

Nelly never had the appeal of someone like Will Smith.
Nelly has mainstream music appeal, but he was never as clean cut as Will Smith.Hence the term "quasi-safe" :p

[KenK]

contraversy sells, its free publicity, why pay for an advert when you can throw abit of nudity or violence into the mix and suddanly every news show and chat show is talking about nelly.

being british and not knowing anything about rap music. i could be wrong maybe its diffrent for amarican rap music, but in britan, babyshambles went from being a rather bland brit-rock band to being the words on everyones lips, once pete and kate moss's heroin habits got splashed all over the papers. it got pete (and the band) into every paper and news program for afew weeks and the music label dident have to payout a penny in advertising.

the phrase no publicity is bad publicity springs to mind.

Has it really translated to more attention for the band to the point of them getting more radio and video airtime?

I just know that in the states, Babyshambles gets no real play, none that I can see. All we ever hear about are Pete's drug-related arrests. I've still never heard anything by the band. My theory's just always been that Pete's ugliness goes too far beyond the public's tolerance for unattractive rock frontmen. He reminds me of that creepy character for Tiny Toons with the dopey eyes and he only appears to have two teeth.