X-Factor #19 Spoilers & Summary

[Anna]

M and Siryn face off against X-Cell members Blob, Fatale and Marrow. M says the goverment wants to talk to them. Blob says "Woo Woo Woo Woo Woo! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!" meaning he thinks X-Factor are stooges for the government. Siryn takes Marrow's arm and tries to reason with her, but Sarah's got a knife (metal, not bone) up her sleeve, and stabs Theresa in the shoulder. She screems, but Blob jumps on top of her, temporarily muzzling her, as Fatale shoots M with some sort of zap gun. Terry screams again, and Blob goes flying through the air, landing on top of Madrox, who is recovering from last issue's poisoning. Rictor runs to help Terry, but is knocked out by a metallic sounding fist. M kayos Fatale; Terry stops Marrow, who is rushing to Fatale's defense. As M tends to Theresa's wound, an unseen person carrys Rictor away.

The one thing that Layla doesn't know is where the ex-mutant Nicole fits into the big picture. Layla tells Nicole about how the building was remodled after she killed the guy from Singularity. Nicole stops eating her ice cream. When Layla points it out she says "You eat it."

Rahne and Guido roll up on Pietro's place, Guido warns Rahne not to let Pietro touch her. Guido is suddenly snagged by a bunch of cables, and carried away from Rahne. The person attatched to the cables is Abyss, who flings Guido away. Rahne sees that it's Reaper who is carrying Ric. Both Reapers arms are bionic now, and have the ability to forn weapons. They spar, but Callisto comes out of Pietro's throwing knives. She says that Rahne's on the wrong side, serving the government that stripped the mutants of their powers. Rahne tries to tell Callisto the truth behind M-Day, when Pietro comes up and lays hands on her. He orders Reaper and Callisto to get rid of her, and takes charge of Rictor. Reaper drops Rahne down a manhole. As he does, the piece of paper with Layla's instructions falls out of her pocket.


Back at X-Factor HQ, Madrox is stitching up Theresa, as M prepares to interrogate Blob. He refuses to tell her anything, but she says she'll strip mine his brain if he doesn't.

Ric wakes up at Pietro's; it seems that Pietro has had an epiphany, and wants Rictor to help him "save" the X-Mutants, as X-Cell converges outside...[/spoil]

[rilokyle]

I thought it was a pretty good issue, even if it was mostly all-action oriented.

I'm soooo excited PAD included the reference to Monet's sister Nicole- perhaps he saw the posts here about that? I'm also interested to see where this orphan Nicole storyline goes. I love her interactions with Layla- very amusing.

One thing I'm confused about is Abyss and Reaper. Did they have their powers or not? I'm not all that familiar with them, so I didn't really know.

I'm also interested to see where this subplot with Rahne is headed- she's definitelty becoming more feral in her wolf-form. Please God don't let this tie into that crap lupine storyline in "Wolverine".

But yeah, I enjoyed it. Not my favorite issue per se, but it had some nice moments.

[Tobias March]

One thing I'm confused about is Abyss and Reaper. Did they have their powers or not? I'm not all that familiar with them, so I didn't really know.

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Well I think Reaper's bionic arms were augmented by Weapon X under Tieri. And Abyss I believe was revealed to be somehow satanic/demonic in origin by Austen? Correct me if I'm wrong there.

[Michael P]

They've both got cybernetic enhancements replacing their powers, it looks like.

[Beast]

Apperantly Quicksilver's repowering of Reaper didn't last.

And exactly who is supplying the high-tech cybernetics to X-Cell.

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm quite happy to see Abyss (although i might have preferred Wildside). i wonder why he's hanging with depowered mutants. he looks kind of powered.

[Beast]

i'm quite happy to see Abyss (although i might have preferred Wildside). i wonder why he's hanging with depowered mutants. he looks kind of powered.
He looks like he retained his physical mutation but is depowered. Hence the cybernetics.

[Monty_Cristo]

He looks like he retained his physical mutation but is depowered. Hence the cybernetics.

hasn't he always had those 'cybernetics' though?

[Anna]

hasn't he always had those 'cybernetics' though?



No, that was his body.

[Dagger]

This book just keeps getting better and better! If this isn't the best x-book around, I don't know what one is. I love how old favorites are coming back! Yay to Abyss and Reaper! Two thumbs way up, Mr. David!

[drwho]

I got to say this is great but I dont want to see anymore traitor issues with the team. First we had Guido and now possibly Rictor. Even Rhane seemed a little out there in this issue. NNNNNNNNoooooooooooo.

[The Lucky One]

This book just keeps getting better and better! If this isn't the best x-book around, I don't know what one is. I love how old favorites are coming back! Yay to Abyss and Reaper! Two thumbs way up, Mr. David!

And yet you dislike Rachel. How can we agree and disagree so greatly? Alas.

Another very good issue, and should go more toward placating people who bemoaned the lack of action. The Nicole thing was cool, I hadn't even thought about that. Leave it to PAD to take D-list rejects like Fatale, Reaper, and Abyss and make them interesting, at least briefly. As for Rictor, drwho, I don't think he's actually "turning traitor"... that would imply either advance planning or at least intentionally opposing X-Factor. As is, he doesn't know that Pietro's goons knocked them around or that Pietro's the bad guy in this scenario.

On the negative side, it's looking like it's going to be even harder than ever to rehabilitate Pietro after this House of M/Avengers Disassembled/Civil War/Initiative stuff is all over. I know characters in the MU are always willing to forgive a little casual genocide and reality altering, and he's certainly not at Iron Man levels of villainy yet, but he's getting there. But we'll see how this all plays out, he might be manipulating the X-Cell for an entirely different purpose. Still, mighty cold to hear him talk that way about Rahne.

Also, another excellent use of Madrox's powers by PAD. Reminds me of the Fallen Angels miniseries, where Jamie healed broken ribs by using an uninjured dupe to produce many healthy dupes, then combining with all of them to halve the injury each time. Except... in the MadroX miniseries, he reabsorbed a drunk dupe but claimed he didn't reabsorb the alcohol (just the pickled brain cells). How 'bout an unofficial X-Board No-Prize to anyone who comes up with a plausible reason for why his system would absorb poison from a dupe, but not booze?

-D

[Monty_Cristo]

No, that was his body.

then what's this gold stuff on him in this pre-HoM pic?
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/0/00/Abyss_001.jpg

[MakeshiftHero]

I just wish that they would release this book two times a month.

[Nyssane]

Eee, so Abyss and Reaper are members of X-Cell now, too? If Phantazia, Scanner, Tarot, or any of the Hell's Belles appear as members, I'll totally buy ten copies.

[NevamindU]

Nice issue.....this books seems to be giving more insights on what to see from the crossover thats coming in june

[Faded]

Sounds cool, hopefully I'll get this tomorrow.

I'm a little sad that those two are the last two members of X-Cell (nothing against them; I just want more), but hey, Fatale was cool last issue maybe these two will be too.

[streator]

abyss?

i wasn't expecting to see him in this book.

does anyone have a scan of how he looks in the issue? i hope he looks more like his former self and less like he did during 'the draco'.

[Metallurgique]

If you liked Abyss at the end of The Draco then you will not like this Abyss. He is totally and completely out of character from the way he was in that story.

[The Lucky One]

...which can only be counted as a very, very good thing.

-D

[Beast]

...which can only be counted as a very, very good thing.

-D
Indeed. Besides, just assume that Abyss became angry whatever after losing his powers.

[Monty_Cristo]

abyss?

i wasn't expecting to see him in this book.

does anyone have a scan of how he looks in the issue? i hope he looks more like his former self and less like he did during 'the draco'.

he looks almost exactly how he did in his first 616 appearance (in Cable). i'm glad because i hated the Draco stuff and his relation to Nightcrawler. that came out of nowhere.

Eee, so Abyss and Reaper are members of X-Cell now, too? If Phantazia, Scanner, Tarot, or any of the Hell's Belles appear as members, I'll totally buy ten copies.

Phantazia's still in a holding cell, isn't she; SHIELD custody? plus, she knows the truth about Decimation. if she was part of X-Cell, i think they'd know.

[Anna]

If you liked Abyss at the end of The Draco then you will not like this Abyss. He is totally and completely out of character from the way he was in that story.


Most people consider the Draco portrayal as incorrect.


Monty, that may have been some sort of cybernetics to echance his powers, he now wears a large armored suit with cables attatched. None of X-Cell is actually using mutant abilities.

[Monty_Cristo]

Most people consider the Draco portrayal as incorrect.


Monty, that may have been some sort of cybernetics to echance his powers, he now wears a large armored suit with cables attatched. None of X-Cell is actually using mutant abilities.

fair enough. i just thought it looked similar.

[streator]

he looks almost exactly how he did in his first 616 appearance (in Cable). i'm glad because i hated the Draco stuff and his relation to Nightcrawler. that came out of nowhere.

good. i liked his pre-draco look better, too.

[Volk1]

Dudes...Rahne is scaring the shit out of me. I'm kind of worried. :(

But what did Pietro actually do to her? He has teh power to de-power a mutant right? That's kinda scary...

And Rictor too? WTF is Pietro gonna do to him?! As I read it where Pietro's like "you've still got a connection with the earth, so you're perfect for my diabolic scheme!"...I'm like that's a bunch of BS because Julio's depowered and that's that.

But what if...? maybe Pietro CAN reverse it......

ugh, I'm so confused in a good way. Pietro better not kill Rictor though or else I'm gonna go all Lorna like at her wedding!

oh, and Reaper was kinda cool this issue.

And why didn't Nicole eat the ice-cream? It's because she's Emplate and he doesn't eat food!;)

[Beast]

Dudes...Rahne is scaring the shit out of me. I'm kind of worried. :(

But what did Pietro actually do to her? He has teh power to de-power a mutant right? That's kinda scary...

And Rictor too? WTF is Pietro gonna do to him?! As I read it where Pietro's like "you've still got a connection with the earth, so you're perfect for my diabolic scheme!"...I'm like that's a bunch of BS because Julio's depowered and that's that.

But what if...? maybe Pietro CAN reverse it......

ugh, I'm so confused in a good way. Pietro better not kill Rictor though or else I'm gonna go all Lorna like at her wedding!

oh, and Reaper was kinda cool this issue.

And why didn't Nicole eat the ice-cream? It's because she's Emplate and he doesn't eat food!;)
Rahne - No, he didn't depower her. When he uses his powers on someone who's still a mutant, it knocks them unconscious. He used it on Guido before, that's why Guido was warning her to not let Pietro touch her.

Rictor - He's been talking about how he needs a vessel for the repowerment to work. I think that he's picked Rictor to be that vessel. Since Rictor's powers come with being intuned to the earth, Pietro clearly believes that makes him the perfect vessel. Or he's nuttier than a treeful of squirrels. Probably both.

Nicole - I took it as she didn't want to stay there and eat ice cream while Layla was talking casually about how she killed someone. Though who knows what her deal really is. She could be something, or simply a red herring.

[Faded]

Loved, loved loved this issue. I hope X-Factor continues to showcase current and former mutants alike--PAD does excellently generating interesting in apparent nobodies (X-Factor #77--AWESOMENESS). I want to continue to see what M-Day has left us with and what it has robbed us of. Its fun seeing such familiar, yet fresh faces, many of whom I had never cared about before.


But what did Pietro actually do to her? He has teh power to de-power a mutant right? That's kinda scary...

I actually was thinking about that, too. Did he touch Guido nearly as long as he grabbed onto Rahne? I don't remember. I think this would be a scary new development.

Pesky Quicksilver . . .

[Hi-Fi]

I loved this issue so much!!

Lots of action and I agree with Volk. I'm scared for Rahne. I hope she's safe at the end of this arc.

But I gotta say that the subplot that currently interests me more is the Nicolo one. Seriously, I'm soooo curious about her! And PAD made a reference to one of Monet's sisters!! That was so awesome.

Again, great issue.

[Omega Alpha]

Very good as usual. Lots of action, and Quicksilver steals the show. He's one of the most interesting villians in the MU right now.

[Mikl C]

It was good. But Rahne is drawn SO LAMELY. I love Layla and newgirl.
Madrox was acting oddly.
Siryn and Monet should've been able to take everyone out in a matter of seconds. Seriously.
Marrow- stop calling her Sarah- needs to kick more ass.

[Pro]

He's one of the most interesting villians in the MU right now.

Agreed, like his father his villainy doesn't lie in murderous intent but rather in misguided idealism. I love how PAD takes his time to develop his characters and Quicksilver is a great example.

I want to continue to see what M-Day has left us with and what it has robbed us of.

X-factor is the only x-book that has me interested in M-day. For the most part i loathe the depowering of the mutant population but PAD at least does something interesting with the concept. He doesn't avoid it, or shrugs it off like the other books seem to do for the most part and instead actively uses it as a center part of his stories.

Haven't read it yet but can't wait.

[Grunty]

Okay in the preview thread PAD already told us why Siryn is calling Marrow by her real name, still its funny how Marrow does the same with Siryn.

Not only that but also saying sorry when wounding her, i wonder if she meant it? Since if she did, it could mean that she still sees them as former comrades.

Is it just me or did Marrows attack with those two wrist blades (which was stoped by Siryn) looked just as if she copied that move from Wolverine? Dunno why but it looks alot like what Logan always does when attacking.

Of course as a fan of her i hope she will get away at the end or at least chose the right side.

While we are at it. One little thing was strange. Why did they took Blob hostage but Marrow and Fatale (who where actualy knocked out) where left behind so they could escape (as could be seen behind that door).
Still that talk between Siryn and M about teamwork felt nice.

Looking at the full X-cell group i somehow understand why Layla said they would break apart by themself.
They are all to different, to work together, well enough over a longer time.
Different backrounds, different former organisations and different motivs. They are only connected by being depowered.

Sure most of them are former terrorist but still:
Callisto and Marrow worked for the heroic side often enough (which means they could turn sides). Blob fought beside titans like Magneto (making him kind of major league veteran). Reaper and Fatale come from rather "failed" orginasations. Abyss is more of lone worker if i remember right and that boy... well he is totaly off from the rest.

I guess slash fiction fans of Rictor and Quicksilver must have really enjoyed the comments of Quicksilver here.

Anyway good issue, i dunno what to complain about it so i don't do.
Strangly even if Marrow and Callisto will be caught by the goverment or worse i wouldn't by angry on PAD because its still a great arc he does here.

PS: Sorry, PAD for not having any negativ critic.

[Mikl C]

PAD plz repower Marrow and put her on X-Factor. I will give you gifts and love.

[caney]

I LOVE evil little Quicksilver and his HUGE ego!!! :cool:

[blinkinrogue]

is pietro this evil now or was it the effect of the mists? He seemed to not care for Wolfsbane at all, considering they were teammates before....:confused:

[Pyro]

The X-Factor team is so awesome. PAD continues to write them so well. However, I can't say I enjoyed Pham's art at all. It's not very polished and at times it was hard to follow the action.

Does Monet seem really angry lately? Ever since Jamie used her, she's been very angry and violent, only even more things have been giving her reason to get mad. I just don't remember her being so angry at the beginning of this series. It actually makes me like her a little less. I liked her better when she was just snobby and prissy. I still like her though.

[Faded]

The X-Factor team is so awesome. PAD continues to write them so well. However, I can't say I enjoyed Pham's art at all. It's not very polished and at times it was hard to follow the action.

Does Monet seem really angry lately? Ever since Jamie used her, she's been very angry and violent, only even more things have been giving her reason to get mad. I just don't remember her being so angry at the beginning of this series. It actually makes me like her a little less. I liked her better when she was just snobby and prissy. I still like her though.

She is so angry and hormonal. I hope she's not preggers!

Oddly enough, even though she's becoming a bit more violent, this is probably the most social she's been.

PAD plz repower Marrow and put her on X-Factor. I will give you gifts and love.

I'd piss out flowers if that happened.

Agreed, like his father his villainy doesn't lie in murderous intent but rather in misguided idealism. I love how PAD takes his time to develop his characters and Quicksilver is a great example.

X-factor is the only x-book that has me interested in M-day. For the most part i loathe the depowering of the mutant population but PAD at least does something interesting with the concept. He doesn't avoid it, or shrugs it off like the other books seem to do for the most part and instead actively uses it as a center part of his stories.

Haven't read it yet but can't wait.

Its not just the use of the concept, but he's the characters affected by M-Day like they're more than just cannon fodder to some lame story.

I mean...Reaper and Fatale aren't characters I'd defend to the death, but there's a definite respect I have for PAD for digging deep into the character barrell and giving them respect.

[blinkinrogue]

She is so angry and hormonal. I hope she's not preggers!

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Gawd, i hope NOT

Even considering her early gen x days (ignoring the whole twin setback off course) you dont get to see her angry very often.

[DjMichael691]

She is so angry and hormonal. I hope she's not preggers!


Now that would be funny.

Great issue. I love the way PAD leaves you guessing which side is right or wrong.

[Mikl C]

Pregnant Monet with Jamie's baby
:eek:
THAT might be interesting!?!
She'd totally just fall down the stairs and lose it though, lolz.

[Pro]

Does Monet seem really angry lately? Ever since Jamie used her, she's been very angry and violent, only even more things have been giving her reason to get mad. I just don't remember her being so angry at the beginning of this series. It actually makes me like her a little less. I liked her better when she was just snobby and prissy. I still like her though.

I think since the session with Doc Samson and subsequently finding out about Madrox two-timing her we're seeing Monet trying to find a new balance. Her old facade is slowly eroding and she doesn't know how to deal with it. So i find it quite logical that she seems a tad unbalanced at the moment.

Or yea she might be preggers ..

[The Lucky One]

Pregnant Monet with Jamie's baby
:eek:
THAT might be interesting!?!
She'd totally just fall down the stairs and lose it though, lolz.

No, she'd fall down the stairs and end up with sextuplets.

-D

[jmc247]

Agreed, like his father his villainy doesn't lie in murderous intent but rather in misguided idealism. I love how PAD takes his time to develop his characters and Quicksilver is a great example.


Its called mental illness, serious mental illness.

[Pyro]

I think since the session with Doc Samson and subsequently finding out about Madrox two-timing her we're seeing Monet trying to find a new balance. Her old facade is slowly eroding and she doesn't know how to deal with it. So i find it quite logical that she seems a tad unbalanced at the moment.

Or yea she might be preggers ..That's a good analysis. That's kind of what I was thinking, too. I just don't really care for her being more violently confrontational instead of verbally confrontational, but then again, she wasn't doing much fighting earlier in the series. It seems like PAD is approaching her a bit differently now, and I wonder if it's leading up to something.

[Pro]

No, she'd fall down the stairs and end up with sextuplets.

-D

I had the same thought. :D

Doctor: "Push, push!"
M:"I can't push you moron! If i push too hard i'll end up with twins!"

Its called mental illness, serious mental illness.

Oh, in Quicksilver's case it certainly is. His talk of God working through him to repower the worthy is as, Doc Samson said, indicative of a messiah complex.
Quicksilver is atoning for his sin (decimation) by taking the role of meesiah to bring salvation to the worthy. Quicksilver is deranged for sure.

What remains, and we should know soon, is whether his plan has any chance of succeeding or whether it is just one giant delusion on Pietro's part. Can he repower mutants succesfully by using Roctor or will he just end up killing him?

It seems like PAD is approaching her a bit differently now, and I wonder if it's leading up to something.

I think it's funny and no doubt intentional on PAD's part that the "hormonal" comment immediately started people thinking babies. :p

[Archer]

Loved this issue, I have nothing negative to say at all.

I think I'm enjoying Quicksilver's arc more than anything else in Marvel comics right now. So - PAD wrote X-Factor way back when, right? With a cast including Quicksilver? What issues was that, and is any of it collected in trades?

[Dagger]

It was good. But Rahne is drawn SO LAMELY. I love Layla and newgirl.
Madrox was acting oddly.
Siryn and Monet should've been able to take everyone out in a matter of seconds. Seriously.
Marrow- stop calling her Sarah- needs to kick more ass.
Who is this new girl? I don't remember her from last issue.

And yes, I agree. What is up with the way Rahne is drawn lately? Ryan Sook, and Calero drew her so sick! Get rid of Raimondi and get Calero back on this title stat!

[Karl H]

Loved this issue. Was immense. Love the way it's clearly building towards the X-over too. ***joygasm***

[Erik Lehnsherr]

So I finally caught up with "the best X-Title since Decimation". I got it not just for the buzz but I needed to SERIOUSLY catch up with Monet and what's been going on with her. It was good to see Fatale back in action. Too bad she got punked out. Pietro seems more evil than ever though. Callously pondering killing others? Interesting turn since the Son of M finale. Layla has seemed to have improved by leagues since I last read her. Good book with a nice cliffhanger too.

[The Lucky One]

I think I'm enjoying Quicksilver's arc more than anything else in Marvel comics right now. So - PAD wrote X-Factor way back when, right? With a cast including Quicksilver? What issues was that, and is any of it collected in trades?

You really should check it out- it's great stuff, though trending slightly more mainstream than the current book. More humor, though.

PAD wrote issues 70 (aftermath of the Muir Island Saga) and 71 (introduction of the new team) through 89 of X-Factor volume 1. There was a crossover story with Incredible Hulk in issues 76-77, and three later issues were part of the X-Cutioner's Song. Part of his original run is collected -- X-Factor Visionaries: Peter David volume 1 collects issues 71-75, his first arc (doesn't include issue 70, though), which is very Madrox-centric and my personal favorite. Volume two includes issues 76-77 and the 3 issues of the Hulk that make up the rest of the story, I think. There will probably be subsequent volumes to come.

If you can find it, especially check out issue 87, the infamous "psychiatrist issue" which garnered a sequel in the current X-factor run. It's a fantastic standalone issue, particularly noteworthy for finally explaining, after 30 years, exactly why Quicksilver suffers from PMS (Pietro Maximoff Syndrome) and is so damn cranky all the time.

-D

[Faded]

Who is this new girl? I don't remember her from last issue.

And yes, I agree. What is up with the way Rahne is drawn lately? Ryan Sook, and Calero drew her so sick! Get rid of Raimondi and get Calero back on this title stat!

Nicole. The girl Monet and Siryn rescued from Paris.

I don't know who I want on this title now! I always seem to appreciate the artists more AFTER they leave. I'd really like Leinil Yu on this title, but I don't see that happening. I like Raimondi, but I think he only truly excels at Jamie and Guido--which is probably why Madrox worked so well.

Pregnant Monet with Jamie's baby
:eek:
THAT might be interesting!?!
She'd totally just fall down the stairs and lose it though, lolz.

LOL! That's horrible!

[Hi-Fi]

There's no doubt in my mind that I want Raimondi back.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Eee, so Abyss and Reaper are members of X-Cell now, too? If Phantazia, Scanner, Tarot, or any of the Hell's Belles appear as members, I'll totally buy ten copies.

Seeing as how PAD created the Hell's Belles, if we bug him enough it could be possible that they could return.

Dudes...Rahne is scaring the shit out of me. I'm kind of worried. :(

Me too, actually. I am currently reading issues 1-100 of New Mutants, and Rhane, while a good fighter, has always been so sweet. I realize that PAD's had her to feral/hormonal once before, maybe he's finally going to finish the storyline he started with her decades ago!!

And why didn't Nicole eat the ice-cream?

Someone please explain this scene to me. I normally love Layla moments, but I simply did not get what was going on in this page. Maybe its because of the art, maybe I missed something with Nicole. Or maybe PAD tried to slip some clues for a future suprise in here but they weren't subtle enough, and threw off the entire conversation.

Quicksilver steals the show. He's one of the most interesting villians in the MU right now.

This makes me sad. :( Quicksilver used to be my favorite HERO in the MU. I loved how he was dangerous, powerful, but yet still cared for his teammates and still had a soft spot deep inside. Now he just scares me, and not in a good way.

But Rahne is drawn SO LAMELY.
Madrox was acting oddly.

Really? I like the way she's drawn. For the first time since before the Madrox mini she looks like a female while in her wolven form.

is pietro this evil now or was it the effect of the mists? He seemed to not care for Wolfsbane at all, considering they were teammates before....:confused:

THIS upsets me the most of all. He may have not liked Rhane before, but he never would have wanted to have her killed. Geezus- when the other members of the X-cell have more sympathy for her than her own teammate, I feel like PAD is ignoring his own [earlier] stories. How's that for ignoring continuity?

The X-Factor team is so awesome. PAD continues to write them so well. However, I can't say I enjoyed Pham's art at all. It's not very polished and at times it was hard to follow the action.


I was a huge Pham fan at the start, but each panel drawn seems to have less and less quality put into it. I hope he stays on for the remainder of the story arc for consistency's sake, but afterward I hope Pablo returns. It seems like Pham needs a break to catch up.


No, she'd fall down the stairs and end up with sextuplets.

-D

LOL!! :p

So - PAD wrote X-Factor way back when, right? With a cast including Quicksilver? What issues was that, and is any of it collected in trades?

Like I said above, PAD's Quicksilver was my favorite character in the MU (at the time). Do yourself a favor and pick up the run or the trades.

Overall, I enjoyed this issue and I'm LOVING all of the action. However, reading how easily Quicksilver would kill Rhane upset me and kinda ruined my enjoyment of this issue. I'm wondering how Rhane would have responded were she conscious.

[The Lucky One]

THIS upsets me the most of all. He may have not liked Rhane before, but he never would have wanted to have her killed. Geezus- when the other members of the X-cell have more sympathy for her than her own teammate, I feel like PAD is ignoring his own [earlier] stories. How's that for ignoring continuity?

Agreed. I mean, I'm sure there's a reason behind it, but it's definitely jarring (and I'm presuming is meant to be). Back in the first psychiatrist issue, when Quicksilver was asked if he felt friendship, even affection for any of his teammates and he didn't answer, I had always assumed Rahne, if anyone, was probably who he liked.

Definitely wasn't Madrox.

-D

[1WEBHEAD]

The issue was FULL of D-Listers. Except for QuickSilver but still. Full of them.
And I liked it. Alot. THe only bone I have to pick is that Blob looks like a giant, disgusting, wrinked dog.

http://www.vet.utk.edu/departments/SACS/images/wrinkled_dog.jpg

Other than that, I liked it. Plus the cover looked great! Does anybody know if Divito is doing anything?

4/5

[Mikl C]

LOL at that dog
:o

[Faded]

The issue was FULL of D-Listers. Except for QuickSilver but still. Full of them.
And I liked it. Alot. THe only bone I have to pick is that Blob looks like a giant, disgusting, wrinked dog.

http://www.vet.utk.edu/departments/SACS/images/wrinkled_dog.jpg

Other than that, I liked it. Plus the cover looked great! Does anybody know if Divito is doing anything?

4/5

That looks like Lil Kim's vagina.

Gross. but LOL

[Volk1]

Me too, actually. I am currently reading issues 1-100 of New Mutants, and Rhane, while a good fighter, has always been so sweet. I realize that PAD's had her to feral/hormonal once before, maybe he's finally going to finish the storyline he started with her decades ago!!Maybe, yeah. But, it's that I can't believe how crazy she's become.
And the thing I want to see most is Rictor's reaction. He's seen how she's been reacting but he thinks it's because Jamie didn't boink her. I really do hope it's a sign of his jealousy, but now I wish he could have seen how blatantly ignorant and cruel Pietro was to Rahne this past issue, and they're suppsoed to be in cahoots?!

Wake up Rictor, Pietro is Magneto's son!


Someone please explain this scene to me. I normally love Layla moments, but I simply did not get what was going on in this page. Maybe its because of the art, maybe I missed something with Nicole. Or maybe PAD tried to slip some clues for a future suprise in here but they weren't subtle enough, and threw off the entire conversation.I seriously think she has to do with Emplate. I just can't think about anything else. PAD doesn't usually waste space, right? That red balloon thing was a nod to a movie. Nicole not eating ice-cream has to have some type of significance. My guess is Emplate but we'll see....

That looks like Lil Kim's vagina.

Gross. but LOLEww...that's sick!

Wait...you've seen it? :eek: :confused:

[Monty_Cristo]

The issue was FULL of D-Listers. Except for QuickSilver but still. Full of them.
And I liked it. Alot. THe only bone I have to pick is that Blob looks like a giant, disgusting, wrinked dog.


yeah! remember when Blob was handsome?! *silence*

[The Lucky One]

Eww...that's sick!

Wait...you've seen it? :eek: :confused:

You haven't? :rolleyes:

-D

[1WEBHEAD]

yeah! remember when Blob was handsome?! *silence*

The Hulk remembers...;)

http://members.fortunecity.com/dm_bishop2/marvel/blob005.JPG

[Pyro]

Someone please explain this scene to me. I normally love Layla moments, but I simply did not get what was going on in this page. Maybe its because of the art, maybe I missed something with Nicole. Or maybe PAD tried to slip some clues for a future suprise in here but they weren't subtle enough, and threw off the entire conversation.I think you guys are looking at it too hard and it was just supposed to be a joke that didn't come across too well in the art. From what I gathered, Layla casually tells Nicole how she killed someone she didn't like, then she eyes Nicole's ice cream. Nicole, not wanting to upset Layla for fear of the consequences, leaves the ice cream to Layla. Jokes are never funny when you have to explain them.

[Tre Styles]

Quick Thoughts:

So, after reading this issue, is Quicksilver still seen as a hero in anyone's eyes? anyone? anyone? ;)

I'm worried about Rhane though. I hope that she'll get her powers back.

The reference to Nicole St. Croix was just spot on. Kudos Mr. David.

Pretty good ish.

[Jack Flash]

i liked this issue. I liked seeing Abyss and Reaper back in action. I loved the Pietro/Rictor interaction. Can't wait for Ric to hand Pietro his ass. errr beat him up, that could be translated a bit wrongly given the bisexual hints :D

I am worried about Rahne. but she's seemed a bit lost in this series. so as long as she doesnt die/be depowered then I'd be ok with her taking a breather from the book. Guido too. They just seem a bit redundant compared to the fantastic development for Syrin, Monet and Rictor.

[Faded]

i liked this issue. I liked seeing Abyss and Reaper back in action. I loved the Pietro/Rictor interaction. Can't wait for Ric to hand Pietro his ass. errr beat him up, that could be translated a bit wrongly given the bisexual hints :D

I am worried about Rahne. but she's seemed a bit lost in this series. so as long as she doesnt die/be depowered then I'd be ok with her taking a breather from the book. Guido too. They just seem a bit redundant compared to the fantastic development for Syrin, Monet and Rictor.

I think its definitely about time for the bi tease to be brought up again. ;)

I definitely can't wait to see how this all unfolds. I think that's something I always seem to say about this comic.

I agree with you about Rahne and Guido. Granted, I'm not big fans of theirs, but I definitely have an interest in where Rahne's story is headed. Its just the new additions to this group dynamic are definitely at the top of my list right now and I thirst for more.

[Alex A Sanchez]

yeah! remember when Blob was handsome?! *silence*

Ha ha ha!

Back in the first psychiatrist issue, when Quicksilver was asked if he felt friendship, even affection for any of his teammates and he didn't answer, I had always assumed Rahne, if anyone, was probably who he liked.

Definitely wasn't Madrox.

-D

I dunno. Actually, I thought PAD was hinting that Madrox could be his closest friend. Remember issues #78-#79 (or was it #79-80) when Jamie and Pietro whent all noir/gumshoe and tackled the Rhapsody in Blue mystery? They actually worked well together, and Jamie claimed that Pietro was "deep deep down inside... was actually a decent individual".
Rhane has never worked with Pietro, except for the time when he rescued her in Tran Sabal and when they were scouring DC for the Nasty Boys (and he made fun of her, I think).

[The Lucky One]

I dunno. Actually, I thought PAD was hinting that Madrox could be his closest friend. Remember issues #78-#79 (or was it #79-80) when Jamie and Pietro whent all noir/gumshoe and tackled the Rhapsody in Blue mystery? They actually worked well together, and Jamie claimed that Pietro was "deep deep down inside... was actually a decent individual".

Yeah... that's actually exactly the storyline I was thinking of. Pietro constantly told him he was a buffoon, and the one time he showed agreement with Jamie, he made sure later to say, "That was only for the benefit of the people watching, to show solidarity. It doesn't make what you said any less of a joke."

But hey, one never knows.

-D

[Greg Anderson]

Yeah... that's actually exactly the storyline I was thinking of. Pietro constantly told him he was a buffoon, and the one time he showed agreement with Jamie, he made sure later to say, "That was only for the benefit of the people watching, to show solidarity. It doesn't make what you said any less of a joke."



Awwwww. :o

[Alex A Sanchez]

Yeah... that's actually exactly the storyline I was thinking of. Pietro constantly told him he was a buffoon, and the one time he showed agreement with Jamie, he made sure later to say, "That was only for the benefit of the people watching, to show solidarity. It doesn't make what you said any less of a joke."

But hey, one never knows.

-D

Yah, that was the conflict. Then later there was a resolution. Lots of relationship stories start out with a conflict, then when it is resolved the two people are better friends. Common enemy type stuff. By the end of the story I felt the two were closer. Who knows, maybe we'll get some more of that development at the end of this storyline, when X-factor is going to have to confront Pietro.